History repeats itself: IBM vs Apple then, iPhone vs Android now
Clavicus Vile
amicus_curious
"Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote in message
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Maybe, maybe not. A more favorable parallel would be to equate Apple iPhone
with the Apple II back in the early 1980s. Android might play the part of
Tandy/Radio Shack, trying to unhorse Apple with its TRS-80 series. But
along came IBM, partnered with Microsoft, to grab the market and redefine
user expectations. Today we have Nokia partnering with Microsoft about to
repeat history.
SMS
> <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
Market share-wise, of course Android will continue to dominate because
Android devices are manufactured by about 50 different companies. But it
may turn out the same way for Apple, with the only smart phone and
tablet manufacturer with high margin products. Today it's all about
manufacturing, marketing, and distribution, which Apple excels at.
SMS
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>
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote in message
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>> <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
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>>
> Maybe, maybe not. A more favorable parallel would be to equate Apple
> iPhone with the Apple II back in the early 1980s.
Not really, since the Apple II had an open architecture which was the
key to it taking off. The success of the IBM PC was due to the open
architecture as well.
> and redefine user expectations. Today we have Nokia partnering with
> Microsoft about to repeat history.
We now have Google/Nvidia to challenge Microsoft/Intel and Microsoft/Nokia.
Despite the late start of Microsoft and Nokia it would be a mistake to
write them off just yet.
amicus_curious
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How so? Apple has a certain shtick that certainly finds favor with the
in-crowd sort of buyer and thus commands a premium price and favor. But
Jobs is old and grey and likely to die from whatever he has come down with.
Who is going to be the model urbane sophisticate then? As marketers, Apple
has screwed the pooch in major competition. I don't see any reason for that
to get any better.
amicus_curious
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> On 2/18/2011 12:58 PM, amicus_curious wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote in message
>> news:ijmluj$e9i$1...@news.albasani.net...
>>> <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
>>>
>>>
>> Maybe, maybe not. A more favorable parallel would be to equate Apple
>> iPhone with the Apple II back in the early 1980s.
>
> Not really, since the Apple II had an open architecture which was the key
> to it taking off. The success of the IBM PC was due to the open
> architecture as well.
>
Using the technology lens is a poor way to view the situation, I think. The
billions of potential customers are not going to care much about the
openness of things. They are only going to care about price, adequate
performance, and continued compatibility.
>> and redefine user expectations. Today we have Nokia partnering with
>> Microsoft about to repeat history.
>
> We now have Google/Nvidia to challenge Microsoft/Intel and
> Microsoft/Nokia.
>
Do you? What is in it for Google? They don't make phones and they don't
collect any license fees for Android. All they are getting is publicity.
They are a public company that is going to have to have some credible
monetization model to keep them in the game. They can't sell ads on your
cell phone.
chrisv
>>
>> Today we have Nokia partnering with Microsoft about to repeat history.
LOL! That's one for the record books.
What have you been smoking, rat? You seriously think that the mobile
market is looking for a de facto standard OS to rally-around, and that
Win-whatever, with Nokia standing-in for Big Blue, is it?!?
You are a genuine fscking *idiot*!
How much would you bet on that prediction, rat? I'll give odds.
"Repeat history." ROFLMAO!
DFS
"mistake" is cola's middle name.
Hadron
A cut off all the crappy ads which litter the "market" junkware?
Clavicus Vile
"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Nokia is the world's largest handset maker, now teamed up with the world's
largest software maker. Between them they have a unique mobile platform,
one that stands out from the crowd of Android phones, and has a unique
interface, where Apple and Android are very similar.
notl...@usual.places
I'm sure we all hope it won't turn out that way. :)
An Old Friend
If I remember correctly, when Walt Disney died, many people thought the
company would slowly die. Indeed, during the 70s, it was the theme parks
that kept the company afloat as several mediocre animated features didn't
perform as well as previous blockbusters. It wasn't until 20 years later
that the Disney Renaissance (with Michael Eisner) took the company to
heights previously unknown.
Could Apple do something similar? Can they wait that long for a Michael
Eisner? Only time will tell that. Could Woz actually fill in during the
meantime as the person people get excited about at Apple? I know that if
I saw a headline about Woz demonstrating a product, I'd click on it. I
have no clue how charismatic he is on stage though.
But let's see how Jobs gets through this most current health issue before
doing too much speculation: he's shown a resilience that impresses me
personally.
Tom Shelton
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:25:28 -0500, amicus_curious chinwagged:
>
>> "SMS" <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4d5edfe2$0$10582$742e...@news.sonic.net...
>>> On 2/18/2011 12:48 PM, Clavicus Vile wrote:
>>>> <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
>>>
>>> Market share-wise, of course Android will continue to dominate because
>>> Android devices are manufactured by about 50 different companies. But
>>> it may turn out the same way for Apple, with the only smart phone and
>>> tablet manufacturer with high margin products. Today it's all about
>>> manufacturing, marketing, and distribution, which Apple excels at.
>>>
>> How so? Apple has a certain shtick that certainly finds favor with the
>> in-crowd sort of buyer and thus commands a premium price and favor. But
>> Jobs is old and grey and likely to die from whatever he has come down
>> with. Who is going to be the model urbane sophisticate then? As
>> marketers, Apple has screwed the pooch in major competition. I don't
>> see any reason for that to get any better.
>
> If I remember correctly, when Walt Disney died, many people thought the
> company would slowly die. Indeed, during the 70s, it was the theme parks
> that kept the company afloat as several mediocre animated features didn't
> perform as well as previous blockbusters. It wasn't until 20 years later
> that the Disney Renaissance (with Michael Eisner) took the company to
> heights previously unknown.
Last time apple lost Jobs - they almost tanked.
--
Tom Shelton
Mike
"amicus_curious" <ac...@sti.net> wrote:
Apple is about the USER EXPERIENCE even more than ID, but they go
hand-in-hand.
--
Mike
Mr Macintosh
IBM/Microsoft OS/2 "partnership"
The Scorpion and the Frog is a fable of unknown author, attributed to
various West African[1][2] and European folktales, and often
misidentified with Aesop's Fables, although only variants appear
therein. The story is about a scorpion asking a frog to carry him across
a river. The frog is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion reassures
him that if it stung, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown
as well. The frog then agrees; nevertheless, in mid-river, the scorpion
stings him, dooming them both.
When asked why, the scorpion explains, "I'm a scorpion; it's my nature."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog
Microsoft is the scorpion.
Nokia is the frog.
amicus_curious
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Well, at least you make an attempt to be interesting, my thanks for that.
But you seem to have a confused version of the facts. At the time when OS/2
was first conceptualized, IBM came to the conclusion that its PC was far too
open in terms of architecture to allow it to compete effectively with the
cloners. It hit upon the notion that the next wave of technology would be
far better controlled, consisting of the PS/2 with OS/2 and the MCA bus for
peripheral controllers, all of which IBM controlled via patents and
copyrights. They planned to steal the PC back from the rest of the
industry, following the lead of Apple.
Microsoft foiled this plan by introducing Windows 3.0 at that point in time.
Win3.0 ran in the then-popular 640K and was priced at $50 compared to the
$1200 OS/2 which needed 4Mb of RAM (at $1 per K at the time) to run, making
a Windows 3.0 machine some $5K or more different in price. Windows was too
good for OS/2 to make up the slack, even though both were essentially
produced by Microsoft. IBM severed development ties with Microsoft and
promoted their 2.0 version of OS/2, sharply reducing the price as well.
But it never caught on and OS/2 was effectively buried a couple of years
later when Windows 95 was released, although OS/2 hung on for nearly a
decade afterward.
If there is a villain to be found here, it is IBM who made the concerted
attempt to re-proprietize the PC business, failing due to Microsoft's
success at keeping it open and supporting alternate hardware architectures.
Hadron
It's a shame that your post lacks one thing : anything like the truth.
Homer
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:25:28 -0500, amicus_curious chinwagged:
>> But Jobs is old and grey and likely to die from whatever he has come
>> down with. Who is going to be the model urbane sophisticate then?
[...]
> If I remember correctly, when Walt Disney died, many people thought
> the company would slowly die. Indeed, during the 70s, it was the theme
> parks that kept the company afloat as several mediocre animated
> features didn't perform as well as previous blockbusters. It wasn't
> until 20 years later that the Disney Renaissance (with Michael Eisner)
> took the company to heights previously unknown.
>
> Could Apple do something similar?
As much as I hate Apple (and Disney, now that you mention it), and Jobs
in particular, I think it's ridiculous that consumers are so dazzled by
corporate personalities, that when those personalities move on, in
whatever sense, customers and investors feel the need to abandon the
company.
How utterly stupid. How childish.
What difference would Jobs' departure make? These days he's little more
than a spokesmodel for the company. They could hire a Hollywood /actor/
to replace him (in fact ... they /did/). Would that somehow diminish the
capability of the people who get their hands dirty and actually /work/
at Apple, the engineers? Would that magically cause Apple's lawyers to
stop trying to patent the universe, to stop litigating against freedom,
and to stop harassing bloggers and journalists with DMCA takedown
notices?
I find it sickening that business executives are treated like pop stars
in America, and that the balance of a company's fortunes lies in the
flamboyance of a corporate executive's personality. I mean, seriously?
Likewise, as much as I hate Sweaty Ballmer, do you think if he left
Microsoft that I'd suddenly start "evangelising" Windows? Windows would
still be a steaming pile of shit, and Microsoft would still be a bunch
of gangsters. That's been ingrained in its fundamental nature since day
one.
I like Google, because they produce Linux and Free Software based
products, oppose Microsoft - Free Software's (and frankly, the entire
software industry's) biggest enemy, and help the cause of GNU/Linux in
general, but Google is not without its faults, and I certainly don't
"worship" it or its products. I'm very thankful there's another 800 lb
gorilla out there big enough to keep thugs like Microsoft in check, but
I'm not exactly going to give it a big, wet, sloppy kiss. Google serves
a purpose. For now. To a lesser extent, so does Apple.
I even jokingly referred to Eric Schmidt as a "star" once, but the fact
is he's just a link in the chain, and when he stepped down as CEO of the
company nothing changed. Nothing. His being the CEO, or not, will not
somehow make Google less capable of producing products like Android, nor
will it make Google less likely to violate our privacy with data
harvesting. "Worshipping" companies and their CEOs is ridiculous and
foolish.
A CEO does not a company make. It takes sweeping changes throughout a
company to change its institutionalised habits, good or bad. I'm quite
sure Jobs is the source of many of Apple's bad habits (just as Ballmer
and Schmidt are at their respective companies), but gouging out the
source will not remove the cancer.
AFAICT the only thing Jobs "contributes" to Apple is a belligerent
hatred of freedom, a freakish compulsion to control people, and some
well rehearsed motivational speeches to induce mass hysteria at Apple's
annual brainwashing sessions.
I'm sure both Apple and the rest of humanity will survive without that.
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Redjak
"Mr Macintosh" wrote in message
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On 18/02/2011 8:48 pm, Clavicus Vile wrote:
> <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
>
>
>Yeah then Microsoft will try and screw Nokia like they did to IBM in the
>IBM/Microsoft OS/2 "partnership"
>The Scorpion and the Frog is a fable of unknown author, attributed to
>various West African[1][2] and European folktales, and often misidentified
>with Aesop's Fables, although only variants appear therein. The story is
>about a scorpion asking a frog to carry him across a river. The frog is
>afraid of being stung, but the scorpion reassures him that if it stung, the
>frog would sink and the scorpion would drown as well. The frog then agrees;
>nevertheless, in mid-river, the scorpion stings him, dooming them both.
>When asked why, the scorpion explains, "I'm a scorpion; it's my nature."
More like; The frog said "why did you do that, now we're both going to
die". The scorpion replied " it's my nature". Accuracy is everything.
Redjak
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And Apple was sitting there twiddling their thumbs in a failed attempt to
control the world of computing.
But at least they seem to have found a niche in the electronic toy market.
Chris Ahlstrom
> I like Google, because they produce Linux and Free Software based
> products, oppose Microsoft - Free Software's (and frankly, the entire
> software industry's) biggest enemy, and help the cause of GNU/Linux in
> general, but Google is not without its faults, and I certainly don't
> "worship" it or its products. I'm very thankful there's another 800 lb
> gorilla out there big enough to keep thugs like Microsoft in check, but
> I'm not exactly going to give it a big, wet, sloppy kiss. Google serves
> a purpose. For now. To a lesser extent, so does Apple.
I agree. And, in a delicious irony, they rely in large measure on
"open-source" software.
You know, the kind of software that Gates said would never pay off enough to
keep a company in business.
> AFAICT the only thing Jobs "contributes" to Apple is a belligerent
> hatred of freedom, a freakish compulsion to control people, and some
> well rehearsed motivational speeches to induce mass hysteria at Apple's
> annual brainwashing sessions.
>
> I'm sure both Apple and the rest of humanity will survive without that.
I remember reading a book about Apple, and Jobs was "famous" for yelling at
a developer and telling him his code was "shit", just to get him to work
harder.
Personally, I would have thought such a person was an ignorant moron,
and I would have ignored his tirade.
I would not have fared well at the old Apple, Microsoft, or <cough>
the Citadel.
--
I am just a nice, clean-cut Mongolian boy.
-- Yul Brynner, 1956
flatfish+++
> As much as I hate Apple (and Disney, now that you mention it), and Jobs
> in particular, I think it's ridiculous that consumers are so dazzled by
> corporate personalities, that when those personalities move on, in
> whatever sense, customers and investors feel the need to abandon the
> company.
>
> How utterly stupid. How childish.
Goes to credibility, vision, leadership.....
Who do you think the average Apple client, or anyone for that matter,
would have more confidence in:
This:
http://eirikp.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/richard_stallman_saintignucius.jpg
Or this:
http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/steve-jobs-3g-iphone1.jpg
Sasquatch doesn't even have enough respect for himself to look
presentable with a clean, well trimmed beard.
DFS
Left side of your piehole:
"...in America... the balance of a company's fortunes lies in the
flamboyance of a corporate executive's personality."
Right side of your piehole:
"...when [Eric Schmidt] stepped down as CEO of Google nothing changed.
Nothing."
Good self-nuke, [H]ypocrite, with your ignorant, bullshit double-talk
and hypocrisy. You can't even maintain a consistent stance within one post.
Alan Baker
"amicus_curious" <ac...@sti.net> wrote:
Since it was Microsoft who developed OS/2...
--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
Alan Baker
SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
There's one thing that Apple has going that will continue to be an
advantage even going forward against Android:
A coherent app ecosytem.
Because of the nature of mobile providers, they're going to keep Android
more fragmented.
DFS
> I hate Apple (and Disney, now that you mention it),
> and Jobs in particular
> How utterly stupid.
> I find it sickening
> I hate Sweaty Ballmer
> Windows would still be a steaming pile of shit
> Microsoft would still be a bunch of gangsters.
> thugs like Microsoft
> the only thing Jobs "contributes" to Apple is a belligerent
> hatred of freedom,
[H]ypocrite, it looks like there's only one way out of your tormented soul:
Slit 'em lengthwise
http://sites.google.com/site/cameronefx/_/rsrc/1247348306827/Home/slit-wrist/slit%205.JPG
Alan Baker
"Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote:
> <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
I don't know if you noticed, but IBM's personal computer business...
...is gone.
amicus_curious
"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
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As a contractor to IBM, sure. But their own product marketing was favoring
Windows. Are you suggesting that they went into the tank on OS/2? Everyone
says that it was a great OS, or at least that is what they say now. Back
then it was "OS/Who?", IIRC.
Anyway the rift with IBM was due to IBM's plan being foiled, not Microsoft
wanting to kill OS/2. After all, as you say, Microsoft was doing both, so
no matter which one won the race, Microsoft was the winner. Today they have
several levels of Windows to do the same thing, I.e. create a
good/better/best product mix with Starter/Home/Home Premium/and Ultimate
versions of Win7, not to mention the "Enterprise" version that goes with
site licenses.
Alan Baker
"amicus_curious" <ac...@sti.net> wrote:
Everyone says it was EVENTUALLY a great OS.
Snit
> Verily I say unto thee, that An Old Friend spake thusly:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:25:28 -0500, amicus_curious chinwagged:
>
>>> But Jobs is old and grey and likely to die from whatever he has come
>>> down with. Who is going to be the model urbane sophisticate then?
> [...]
>> If I remember correctly, when Walt Disney died, many people thought
>> the company would slowly die. Indeed, during the 70s, it was the theme
>> parks that kept the company afloat as several mediocre animated
>> features didn't perform as well as previous blockbusters. It wasn't
>> until 20 years later that the Disney Renaissance (with Michael Eisner)
>> took the company to heights previously unknown.
>>
>> Could Apple do something similar?
>
> As much as I hate Apple (and Disney, now that you mention it), and Jobs
> in particular, I think it's ridiculous that consumers are so dazzled by
> corporate personalities, that when those personalities move on, in
> whatever sense, customers and investors feel the need to abandon the
> company.
When I used to be a substitute teacher, I learned very quickly how much
influence the administration has. Within minutes of walking into a school,
even if I never met the principal, I could tell if he/she was good. The
administration of a school - and the administration of a company - makes a
*big* difference.
> How utterly stupid. How childish.
It would be foolish to not understand the value of a good leader.
> What difference would Jobs' departure make?
When he leaves we shall find out - but almost surely Apple will suffer
within 2-3 years of his departure. Even if they do not suffer, the company
will change.
> These days he's little more than a spokesmodel for the company.
How do you figure?
> They could hire a Hollywood /actor/ to replace him (in fact ... they /did/).
They had an actor portray him at a meeting... not the same at all as an
actor replacing him. Really, are you that clueless about leadership?
> Would that somehow diminish the capability of the people who get their hands
> dirty and actually /work/ at Apple, the engineers?
A change of focus certainly might do that. Yes.
> Would that magically cause Apple's lawyers to stop trying to patent the
> universe, to stop litigating against freedom, and to stop harassing bloggers
> and journalists with DMCA takedown notices?
The environment of heavy protection of corporate secrets might also change.
> I find it sickening that business executives are treated like pop stars
> in America, and that the balance of a company's fortunes lies in the
> flamboyance of a corporate executive's personality. I mean, seriously?
There is a big difference between valuing leadership and what you describe.
> Likewise, as much as I hate Sweaty Ballmer, do you think if he left
> Microsoft that I'd suddenly start "evangelising" Windows?
You have closed your mind - no matter what MS did or what Windows become,
you have admitted your mind is already made up to hate it.
> Windows would still be a steaming pile of shit, and Microsoft would still be a
> bunch of gangsters. That's been ingrained in its fundamental nature since day
> one.
At least you are consistent with your prejudices.
...
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Hadron
> What difference would Jobs' departure make? These days he's little more
> than a spokesmodel for the company.
It's rare to see a statement in COLA that shows a cluelessness that out
morons Gordon's average contribution but that from "Homer" (I put the
quotes in to make a point to Liarsuck) really sets a new level.
I congratulate him and his serfs (Creepy thinks Homer has a genius level
IQ).
Companies the world over look for a recognisable, intelligent and
customer savvy mouthpiece. One that was there from day one would, of
course, be better.
Only in COLA would Jobs going not be an "issue".
IN other news, Linus has stopped controlling the kernel and has put
Homer and Creepy Chris and his new master Koehlmann in charge. WronG has
noted that "choice is good" and, err, .......
flatfish+++
I love it when these do nothings critize icons in the industry.
The other day the idiots over on Slimeowitz's board were commenting on
how Linus is irrelevant and actually bad for Linux.
It's amazing....
DFS
I saw that post you made. The know-nothing, do-nothing, achieve-nothing
on Spamowitz's site said something like "Linus is the worst thing that
ever happened to Linux".
It is amazing.
flatfish+++
They are crazy people with twisted minds.
I almost fell off the chair when I read that one.
Hadron
It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting Joerge
Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also being less than
kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy think he is?? He
referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and "cunts" too.
flatfish+++
Liarmutt seems to like to re-write history in a failed attempt to cover
his idiocy.
It's not working.
Clavicus Vile
"Mike" <mi...@nononccfaba.org> wrote in message
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So if you ever wondered what it felt like to get fucked up the ass, buy
something from Apple and get that USER EXPERIENCE with no vaseline either.
> --
> Mike
Clavicus Vile
> In article <4d5edfe2$0$10582$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2011 12:48 PM, Clavicus Vile wrote:
>> > <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
>>
>> Market share-wise, of course Android will continue to dominate because
>> Android devices are manufactured by about 50 different companies. But it
>> may turn out the same way for Apple, with the only smart phone and
>> tablet manufacturer with high margin products. Today it's all about
>> manufacturing, marketing, and distribution, which Apple excels at.
>
> There's one thing that Apple has going that will continue to be an
> advantage even going forward against Android:
>
> A coherent app ecosytem.
>
> Because of the nature of mobile providers, they're going to keep Android
> more fragmented.
Says the man with no iPhone.
Clavicus Vile
"Mr Macintosh" <mr...@mac.void.org> wrote in message
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Sure, because if it weren't for Nokia, Microsoft would go out of business.
This is one of Alan Baker's funniest socks yet.
LOLLERCOASTER
Clavicus Vile
"amicus_curious" <ac...@sti.net> wrote in message
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>
>
Yet there are people like Alan Baker who will tell you that IBM got "default
sales" of its personal computers to those who owned IBM mainframes, so many
of these sales that it was responsible for making Apple into the niche
player it is today.
This outlook of course requires overlooking IBM failures such as PS/2, OS/2,
and the IBM Peanut.
LOLLERCOASTER
Clavicus Vile
> In article <ijmluj$e9i$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> "Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote:
>
>> <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
>
> I don't know if you noticed, but IBM's personal computer business...
>
> ...is gone.
Yeah, just as gone as the Macintosh and Apple Computer, Inc.
Actually not as gone as that. Lenovo bought IBM's computer division, they
were the ones who were building computers for IBM anyway.
Nobody bought out the Macintosh. It went away in 2006, when Apple Computer,
Inc. switched to building the same type of computers Lenovo does.
Then Apple Computer, Inc. went away too.
LOLLERCOASTER
DFS
> It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting Joerge
> Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also being less than
> kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy think he is?? He
> referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and "cunts" too.
From what I can tell, de Icaza is about as good as it gets in the wacky
world of OSS: he created Gnumeric and Gnome and mono (I believe).
These contribute-nothing cola clowns have a lot of nerve lying about his
efforts and intentions and motivations.
Ezekiel
"DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message
news:ijupfc$ouq$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
With just Gnome alone, de Icaza has already contributed more to OSS than all
of his critics in cola combined will ever contribute.
Last I checked he was "free" to start whatever projects he wants and develop
whatever software he wants. If there's no interest or support for it then
the project will simply fade away. If someone doesn't like it then perhaps
they should quit criticizing what he *is doing* and create their own
projects instead of doing nothing.
JEDIDIAH
When did OS/2 fail?
When was the PC introduced?
It took awhile for Microsoft to take over IBMs mantle. However, it was
the prestige of IBM that helped drive adoption of PCs as both business
machines (very important bit) and as home machines as a side effect of their
business use.
--
My macintosh runs Ubuntu. |||
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Alan Baker
"Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-F4C82...@news.shawcable.net...
> > In article <ijmluj$e9i$1...@news.albasani.net>,
> > "Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote:
> >
> >> <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
> >
> > I don't know if you noticed, but IBM's personal computer business...
> >
> > ...is gone.
>
> Yeah, just as gone as the Macintosh and Apple Computer, Inc.
Nope. Evolved.
>
> Actually not as gone as that. Lenovo bought IBM's computer division, they
> were the ones who were building computers for IBM anyway.
Not originally.
>
> Nobody bought out the Macintosh. It went away in 2006, when Apple Computer,
> Inc. switched to building the same type of computers Lenovo does.
LOL
The Mac is a computer and an OS, Edwin.
Alan Baker
"Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-A8C23...@news.shawcable.net...
> > In article <4d5edfe2$0$10582$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> > SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/18/2011 12:48 PM, Clavicus Vile wrote:
> >> > <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
> >>
> >> Market share-wise, of course Android will continue to dominate because
> >> Android devices are manufactured by about 50 different companies. But it
> >> may turn out the same way for Apple, with the only smart phone and
> >> tablet manufacturer with high margin products. Today it's all about
> >> manufacturing, marketing, and distribution, which Apple excels at.
> >
> > There's one thing that Apple has going that will continue to be an
> > advantage even going forward against Android:
> >
> > A coherent app ecosytem.
> >
> > Because of the nature of mobile providers, they're going to keep Android
> > more fragmented.
>
> Says the man with no iPhone.
Does that change the reality of what I said at all?
amicus_curious
"Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote in message
news:ijunjo$meo$1...@news.albasani.net...
I don't know any Alan Baker, but that theory is silly if you just count how
many people owned mainframes. IBM PCs were given to the clerks to use.
Apple IIs were given to the scientists to use. There are a hell of a lot
more clerks than scientists in the world and so there were a lot more PCs
sold than Apple IIs.
IBM had a powerful brand that anyone who might be interested in buying a
personal computer would naturally trust.
DFS
They criticize him because he once said ".NET is the best technology out
there", and they lie and claim he's now a Microsoft "evangelist".
They're idiots.
RonB
> Last I checked he was "free" to start whatever projects he wants and
> develop whatever software he wants.
And COLA advocates are *free* to criticize many of his decisions and
reject his kowtowing to Microsoft.
Freedom works both ways.
--
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.5 or VectorLinux Deluxe 6.0
flatfish+++
Slimeowitz has some kind of vendetta against the guy and attacks him
incessantly.
Of course that's not "stalking" is it?
Chris Ahlstrom
> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message
> news:ijupfc$ouq$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 2/21/2011 1:40 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting Joerge
>>> Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also being less than
>>> kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy think he is?? He
>>> referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and "cunts" too.
"Hadron" is still pushing that stuff, eh?
Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
And, quite frankly, I've been writing enough C code over the last decades
that I can be forgiven for actually *praising* the obvious effort that went
into Jörg's cdrecord code.
"Hadron" thinks I reviewed the code? I thought he said he was once a
programmer. So he should know what a code review actually entails.
He seem not to understand.
>> From what I can tell, de Icaza is about as good as it gets in the wacky
>> world of OSS: he created Gnumeric and Gnome and mono (I believe).
>>
>> These contribute-nothing cola clowns have a lot of nerve lying about his
>> efforts and intentions and motivations.
>
> With just Gnome alone, de Icaza has already contributed more to OSS than all
> of his critics in cola combined will ever contribute.
>
> Last I checked he was "free" to start whatever projects he wants and develop
> whatever software he wants. If there's no interest or support for it then
> the project will simply fade away. If someone doesn't like it then perhaps
> they should quit criticizing what he *is doing* and create their own
> projects instead of doing nothing.
Zeke, every one has a right to criticize. Don't listen to these morons who
think you have to BE a leader to CRITICIZE a leader.
What is especially hypocritical of DFS and "Hadron" is their slagging of
Stallman.
"Many people using other Free licenses claim that the GPL is nothing
more than a badge of hate brought about by petty jealousy and a desire
to see professionals fail by Stallman and others." - "True Linux
advocate" Hadron Quark
Anyone in the public eye is fair game for criticism. But stalking and
filthy innuendo are a different story.
--
"For a male and female to live continuously together is... biologically
speaking, an extremely unnatural condition."
-- Robert Briffault
Hadron
> Ezekiel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message
>> news:ijupfc$ouq$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 2/21/2011 1:40 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting Joerge
>>>> Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also being less than
>>>> kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy think he is?? He
>>>> referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and "cunts" too.
>
> "Hadron" is still pushing that stuff, eh?
>
> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
>
It was not me calling people fuckheads and cunts.
It was not me damning Schilling and Icaza.
Who was it?
Oh yes. It was you.
Who the hell do you think YOU are Liarsuck?
> And, quite frankly, I've been writing enough C code over the last decades
> that I can be forgiven for actually *praising* the obvious effort that went
> into Jrg's cdrecord code.
>
> "Hadron" thinks I reviewed the code? I thought he said he was once a
I dont think anything. YOU claimed it.
> programmer. So he should know what a code review actually entails.
> He seem not to understand.
I understand only too well that you were rude and insulting to
Schilling. And later on seemed unaware that dereferencing a null pointer
in C is illegal, But you were sucking up to Koehlmann.
flatfish+++
The COLA resident suck up, Liarmutt is trying to re-write history again.
He is an idiot.
Ezekiel
"RonB" <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ijv772$io6$3...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:02:13 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> Last I checked he was "free" to start whatever projects he wants and
>> develop whatever software he wants.
>
> And COLA advocates are *free* to criticize many of his decisions and
> reject his kowtowing to Microsoft.
>
> Freedom works both ways.
And the critics are 'free' to make themselves look like clueless jackassses
as well.
Ezekiel
"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@xzoozy.com> wrote in message
news:ik06hp$8g5$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Ezekiel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message
>> news:ijupfc$ouq$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 2/21/2011 1:40 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>
>>> From what I can tell, de Icaza is about as good as it gets in the wacky
>>> world of OSS: he created Gnumeric and Gnome and mono (I believe).
>>>
>>> These contribute-nothing cola clowns have a lot of nerve lying about his
>>> efforts and intentions and motivations.
>>
>> With just Gnome alone, de Icaza has already contributed more to OSS than
>> all
>> of his critics in cola combined will ever contribute.
>>
>> Last I checked he was "free" to start whatever projects he wants and
>> develop
>> whatever software he wants. If there's no interest or support for it then
>> the project will simply fade away. If someone doesn't like it then
>> perhaps
>> they should quit criticizing what he *is doing* and create their own
>> projects instead of doing nothing.
>
> Zeke, every one has a right to criticize. Don't listen to these morons
> who
> think you have to BE a leader to CRITICIZE a leader.
It goes to /credibility./ When some moron named "goober" and his equally
clueless friends start chatting with Schestowitz how useless Linus is and
how Linus is the worst thing that could have happened to Linux then anyone
with more than a dozen braincells should think - "Who the fsck are you to be
criticizing anyone."
So while you don't need to be a leader or have accomplished something in
order to criticize someone who has. The person just comes off looking like a
total shmuck when a do-nothing, know-nothing, accomplished-nothing pathetic
punk criticizes someone who has done and accomplished something.
Ezekiel
"Ezekiel" <ze...@nosuchmail.com> wrote in message
news:ik0b06$391$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
(Hit send too soon)
So sure... anyone is free to criticize anyone they want. But unless they
have some credibility to backup their criticism they will be looked upon as
a bunch of whining losers.
Example - the anonymous moron chatting with Schestowitz about how Linus is
the worst thing to happen to Linux. Out in the real computing world 99% of
the people (including me) would laugh at that idiot because he doesn't have
a leg to stand on. In other words... he's a fool who has *zero
qualifications* to be criticizing anyone.
But I agree - he is completely free to make a jackass out of himself. And
cola advocates are free to tell Steve Jobs how he should be running Apple.
chrisv
> trolling fsckwit wrote:
>>
>> Last I checked he was "free" to start whatever projects he wants and develop
>> whatever software he wants. If there's no interest or support for it then
>> the project will simply fade away. If someone doesn't like it then perhaps
>> they should quit criticizing what he *is doing* and create their own
>> projects instead of doing nothing.
>
>Zeke, every one has a right to criticize.
Obviously. Again, the trolling fsckwit chooses the obviously
illogical path, so that he can attack advocates of FOSS.
And the fsckwit claims to be a "developer"? LOL That shit spews
enough illogic to choke a horse.
>What is especially hypocritical of DFS and "Hadron" is their slagging of
>Stallman.
Oh, "Ezekiel" doesn't have one bad word to say about those guys!
Hadron
And there you sum up Ahlstrom. The man who criticizes Balmer, Jobs
(maybe), Schilling and de Icaza openly here in COLA.
But then Chris would criticise his own Mum if his Master Roy or
OberMeister Koehlmann clicked his heels and told him to.
One-Shot One-Kill
worthless fscking turd "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:sof7m61e4prukbu8s...@4ax.com...
more fine linux "advocacy" from the dumbest fscking turd in the septic tank.
"chrisv" is a liar. "chrisv" is a stupid piece of shit.
RonB
Whatever. Unlike you, I'm not prone to hero worship. Microsoft has a
history of not dealing fairly with others and pulling the rug out from
under them when they have the chance. If someone gets too cozy with
Microsoft and tries to pull others in with him (especially in the Open
Source world), then I (as well as others) have the right to point that out
and criticize the decision.
You, of course have the right to claim others, who don't share your
opinions, are "jackasses." But that's just the opinion of a clueless
jackass (in my opinion). And don't pretend there isn't reason to suspect
Microsoft's motives or the motives of a person who seems to want to kiss
their ass.
RonB
> (Hit send too soon)
>
> So sure... anyone is free to criticize anyone they want. But unless they
> have some credibility to backup their criticism they will be looked upon
> as a bunch of whining losers.
But instead dealing with the issue of Microsoft's past unfair dealings
with others, you chose to ignore the gist of the argument and dive into
character assassination. Gee, what a surprise.
> Example - the anonymous moron chatting with Schestowitz about how Linus
> is the worst thing to happen to Linux. Out in the real computing world
> 99% of the people (including me) would laugh at that idiot because he
> doesn't have a leg to stand on. In other words... he's a fool who has
> *zero qualifications* to be criticizing anyone.
Linus didn't get in bed with Microsoft.
> But I agree - he is completely free to make a jackass out of himself.
> And cola advocates are free to tell Steve Jobs how he should be running
> Apple.
Well, gosh, no. No one should criticize Jobs because he's a veritable god
amongst men, who's every decision should be accepted as "gospel."
Like I said in the other post, I don't do hero worship. I'm free to
criticize anyone I want. And it appears Apple's control freakness is going
to put them in the same position in the smartphone world as it did in the
PC world. A profitable niche market where, with a little less of a
stranglehold on their users, they might have a large percentage of the
market.
Only time will tell, but even "idiot jackasses" can study trends and apply
history to current situations.
flatfish+++
It's pathetic isn't it?
Poor Liarmutt.
He's like a 3 legged greyhound at the race track.
chrisv
>>
>> So sure... anyone is free to criticize anyone they want. But unless they
>> have some credibility to backup their criticism
Who has "credibility" in your mind, "Ezekiel"?
Bill Gates? Steve Jobs? Michael Dell?
Sure, those guys know *way* more about making money than does anyone
here.
However, their ability to make money does not mean that what they are
doing is in the best interests of *the world*. *Obviously*
It is not unfair, nor is it difficult, to find things to criticize
about such people.
You're wrong again, "Ezekiel"!
Ezekiel
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:52:21 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> (Hit send too soon)
>>
>> So sure... anyone is free to criticize anyone they want. But unless they
>> have some credibility to backup their criticism they will be looked upon
>> as a bunch of whining losers.
(From this and your last post)
> Microsoft has a history of....
> ...gets too cozy with Microsoft and tries to
> don't pretend there isn't reason to suspect Microsoft's motives...
> instead dealing with the issue of Microsoft's past ....
> Linus didn't get in bed with Microsoft.
I NEVER mentioned Microsoft a single time in this thread. If you want to
argue and debate then maybe your should try debating what I *DID* write -
and leave your Microsoft strawman at home.
My point that you clearly missed because you were too busy ranting against
Microsoft is clearly illustrated by Homer's bullshit criticism and claim of
how he "and a small team could complete the Munich migration in 6 months and
under budget - guaranteed."
*THAT* is the type of nonsense criticism that I'm talking about. Steve
Jobs... like him or not HAS accomplished something. Homer and other blowhard
advocates on the other hand do nothing, know nothing and contribute nothing
except hot air about how the people doing the Munich migration are stupid
and incompetent and how "he and a small team could do it all in 6 months."
Here's an even better example for you: Don't answer but how long have you
worked in your current job and how long have you worked in whatever field
you happen to work in. And for the sake of argument I'll grant you that you
are fairly competent at what you do for a living.
Then one day a high-school kid who's never done what you do walks into where
you work and starts criticizing how you do your job. He claims that you're
doing it all wrong... you're incompetent... you don't know what you're
doing, etc, etc. Would you think or say:
A) Why thank you Billy. You are entitled to your opinion and are free to
criticize me.
B) Who the fsck does this snot-nosed little punk think he is? Who is this
clueless know-nothing to criticize what I do.
This is *exactly* how I see these know-nothing blowhards who claim 'Linus is
the worst thing to happen to Linux' and 'the contractors in Munich are all
incompetent idiots - I could do the entire migration in 6 months.' Unless
the person making the criticism has some sort of credentials to backup their
words - they are nothing but a whining little know-nothing stupid ass punks.
> Well, gosh, no. No one should criticize Jobs because he's a veritable god
> amongst men, who's every decision should be accepted as "gospel."
Like him or not - Jobs has contributed a LOT more to computing than all of
the cola "advocates" combined ever will. It's not even close. Someone who is
interested in studying about the computer industry and business would learn
a hell of a lot more listening to Steve Jobs than listening to a bunch of
self-righteous blowhards who talk bullshit all day about things they've
never actually done.
Snit
12:12 PM:
>
> "RonB" <ronb02...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ik1064$t79$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 07:52:21 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> (Hit send too soon)
>>>
>>> So sure... anyone is free to criticize anyone they want. But unless they
>>> have some credibility to backup their criticism they will be looked upon
>>> as a bunch of whining losers.
>
> (From this and your last post)
>
>> Microsoft has a history of....
>> ...gets too cozy with Microsoft and tries to
>> don't pretend there isn't reason to suspect Microsoft's motives...
>> instead dealing with the issue of Microsoft's past ....
>> Linus didn't get in bed with Microsoft.
>
> I NEVER mentioned Microsoft a single time in this thread. If you want to
> argue and debate then maybe your should try debating what I *DID* write -
> and leave your Microsoft strawman at home.
RonB is making things up.
Again.
He does that a lot.
> My point that you clearly missed because you were too busy ranting against
> Microsoft is clearly illustrated by Homer's bullshit criticism and claim of
> how he "and a small team could complete the Munich migration in 6 months and
> under budget - guaranteed."
>
> *THAT* is the type of nonsense criticism that I'm talking about. Steve
> Jobs... like him or not HAS accomplished something. Homer and other blowhard
> advocates on the other hand do nothing, know nothing and contribute nothing
> except hot air about how the people doing the Munich migration are stupid
> and incompetent and how "he and a small team could do it all in 6 months."
It is easy for them to say what they *could* do... when they *never* have to
back it up with actions.
> Here's an even better example for you: Don't answer but how long have you
> worked in your current job and how long have you worked in whatever field
> you happen to work in. And for the sake of argument I'll grant you that you
> are fairly competent at what you do for a living.
>
> Then one day a high-school kid who's never done what you do walks into where
> you work and starts criticizing how you do your job. He claims that you're
> doing it all wrong... you're incompetent... you don't know what you're
> doing, etc, etc. Would you think or say:
>
> A) Why thank you Billy. You are entitled to your opinion and are free to
> criticize me.
> B) Who the fsck does this snot-nosed little punk think he is? Who is this
> clueless know-nothing to criticize what I do.
>
> This is *exactly* how I see these know-nothing blowhards who claim 'Linus is
> the worst thing to happen to Linux' and 'the contractors in Munich are all
> incompetent idiots - I could do the entire migration in 6 months.' Unless
> the person making the criticism has some sort of credentials to backup their
> words - they are nothing but a whining little know-nothing stupid ass punks.
Credentials, experience or at least a clue as to what the challenges have
been.
>> Well, gosh, no. No one should criticize Jobs because he's a veritable god
>> amongst men, who's every decision should be accepted as "gospel."
>
> Like him or not - Jobs has contributed a LOT more to computing than all of
> the cola "advocates" combined ever will. It's not even close. Someone who is
> interested in studying about the computer industry and business would learn
> a hell of a lot more listening to Steve Jobs than listening to a bunch of
> self-righteous blowhards who talk bullshit all day about things they've
> never actually done.
Steve Jobs, with all his many faults, has been instrumental in *big* changes
in many industries: desktop computing, handheld computing, cell phones,
movies, tablets, etc. He just may be the most influential person in
technology in the last 30 years.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
chrisv
> trolling fsckwit wrote:
>>
>> And the critics are 'free' to make themselves look like clueless
>> jackassses as well.
>
>Whatever.
I notice that the trolling fsckwit doesn't say anything bad about his
fellow trolls making clueless jackasses of themselves with their
criticisms of the GPL...
In fact, *he joins in with them*!
One-Shot One-Kill
mentally ill piece of shit "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:l268m6t582047evqt...@4ax.com...
>
> I notice that the trolling fsckwit doesn't say anything
>
everyone notices that you never have anything other vile garbage to spew out
of you ignorant pie hole.
"chrisv" is a liar. "chrisv" is a piece of shit.
JEDIDIAH
>
> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message
> news:ijupfc$ouq$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 2/21/2011 1:40 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting Joerge
>>> Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also being less than
>>> kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy think he is?? He
>>> referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and "cunts" too.
>>
>>
>> From what I can tell, de Icaza is about as good as it gets in the wacky
>> world of OSS: he created Gnumeric and Gnome and mono (I believe).
>>
>> These contribute-nothing cola clowns have a lot of nerve lying about his
>> efforts and intentions and motivations.
>
>
> With just Gnome alone, de Icaza has already contributed more to OSS than all
> of his critics in cola combined will ever contribute.
You make it sound like he's a one man show.
...talk about clueless.
[deletia]
OTOH. It doesn't matter. It's not like he's some sort of Saint Ignucius.
He's no more beyond criticism than anyone else.
--
Nevermind the pirates. Sony needs to worry about it's own back catalog. |||
/ | \
JEDIDIAH
> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>
>> Ezekiel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ijupfc$ouq$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On 2/21/2011 1:40 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting Joerge
>>>>> Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also being less than
>>>>> kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy think he is?? He
>>>>> referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and "cunts" too.
>>
>> "Hadron" is still pushing that stuff, eh?
>>
>> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
>>
>
> It was not me calling people fuckheads and cunts.
>
> It was not me damning Schilling and Icaza.
...yes. Because we all know that "smart people" or "our betters" can never
ever do any wrong. We should all get into line like good peasants and
parishoners and be seen and not heard.
Not buying into that sort of nonsense is why we aren't Lemmings.
JEDIDIAH
This is only the case for specific cultures prone to mindless following.
Alan Baker
"amicus_curious" <ac...@sti.net> wrote:
Ummmm...
'³To meet the demands of this bonanza, IBM in 1966 alone hired 25,000
new employees and began building 3 million square feet of additional
manufacturing space in the United States and Europe. By the end of 1966,
the company was producing 1000 System/360 units a month.²
Think magazine,
1989'
'By the end of 1966, many more things were going right with the
System/360 than wrong. Between seven and eight thousand systems had been
installed, generating more than $4 billion in new revenue for IBM, and a
billion dollars in pre-tax profits. Suddenly, the rose was starting to
bloom.²
Thomas J. Watson, Jr.
FORMER CHAIRMAN AND CEO, IBM
From Father, Son & Co.
1990'
<http://www.ibm.com/ibm100/us/en/icons/system360/words/>
How many do you suppose they were selling a decade later? How many do
you think the installed base might have been by the time of the IBM PC's
introduction? Now multiply by perhaps and average of as many as 500
terminals connected to each mainframe, and you see how big a market IBM
had when it said it had a personal computer that would not only do this
new computing thing that people were starting to get interested in (but
which IBM didn't really think was going to be very important--they just
wanted to make sure that no one got the idea that you could by anything
called a computer from anyone except Big Blue), but which could also be
used as a replacement for the standard 3270 terminal (a promise that--as
was so common for them--they didn't actually deliver on for some time).
>
> IBM had a powerful brand that anyone who might be interested in buying a
> personal computer would naturally trust.
And a huge pre-built customer base to sell it to.
Peter Köhlmann
> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>
>> Ezekiel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ijupfc$ouq$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On 2/21/2011 1:40 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting Joerge
>>>>> Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also being less than
>>>>> kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy think he is?? He
>>>>> referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and "cunts" too.
>>
>> "Hadron" is still pushing that stuff, eh?
>>
>> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
>>
>
> It was not me calling people fuckheads and cunts.
>
> It was not me damning Schilling and Icaza.
The flak Jörg Schilling receives in COLA is nothing compared to that he gets
(rightfully deserved) in german newsgroups.
That twit is an even worse liar than Snit Michael Glasser. Or you, for that
matter. And for *that* he gets his flak.
And that has nothing to do with the code he wrote
> Who was it?
>
> Oh yes. It was you.
>
> Who the hell do you think YOU are Liarsuck?
Someone who reserves the right to criticize other people for the things they
do maybe?
Who are *you* to tell him that he hasn't that right, you cretinous lying twit?
Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from the
"true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "./configure hero", "emacs user",
"swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin",
"defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
coordinator", "email sage", "tripwire wizard", "Pulseaudio rockstar", "XORG
sorcerer", "filesystem pro", "Nathans second chance evangelist" and "OSS
culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka
Damian O'Leary, aka Steve Townsend, aka Ubuntu King
--
Progress (n.): Process through which USENET evolved from smart people in
front of dumb terminals to dumb people in front of smart
terminals.
Chris Ahlstrom
> On 2011-02-22, Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@xzoozy.com> writes:
>>
>>> Ezekiel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ijupfc$ouq$9...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On 2/21/2011 1:40 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting Joerge
>>>>>> Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also being less than
>>>>>> kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy think he is?? He
>>>>>> referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and "cunts" too.
>>>
>>> "Hadron" is still pushing that stuff, eh?
>>>
>>> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
>>
>> It was not me calling people fuckheads and cunts.
Stuff it. It was a one-time thing.
>> It was not me damning Schilling and Icaza.
Never damned either of them.
> ...yes. Because we all know that "smart people" or "our betters" can never
> ever do any wrong. We should all get into line like good peasants and
> parishoners and be seen and not heard.
>
> Not buying into that sort of nonsense is why we aren't Lemmings.
"Hadron" is simply grossly exaggerating to the point of turning
it into a lie. What a surprise. They don't call him "Lying Larry" for
nothing.
--
Post proelium, praemium.
[After the battle, the reward.]
Chris Ahlstrom
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Who the hell do you think YOU are Liarsuck?
>
> Someone who reserves the right to criticize other people for the things they
> do maybe?
>
> Who are *you* to tell him that he hasn't that right, you cretinous lying
> twit?
"Hadron" calls honest and competent C programmers "Liarsuck". :-D
--
Men love to wonder, and that is the seed of science.
Chris Ahlstrom
> I understand only too well that you were rude and insulting to
> Schilling. And later on seemed unaware that dereferencing a null pointer
> in C is illegal, But you were sucking up to Koehlmann.
Prove any of the above. Let's see the posts, you big poser.
Or will you get the DFS stalker to do your legwork for you?
--
Learning at some schools is like drinking from a firehose.
William Poaster
on 23/2/2011 11:34 shattered the silence with:
> Hadron wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> I understand only too well that you were rude and insulting to
>> Schilling. And later on seemed unaware that dereferencing a null pointer
>> in C is illegal, But you were sucking up to Koehlmann.
>
> Prove any of the above. Let's see the posts, you big poser.
Don't hold your breath. The Hadron M$ zealot never proves anything he says.
> Or will you get the DFS stalker to do your legwork for you?
As for Schilling, like it's been said, that's nothing to how he gets
hammered in German Linux groups. And I've seen him get a roasting in
english Linux groups too, & *not* by any COLA posters. (That's to pre-empt
the Hadron M$ zealot, before he blames anyone here.)
--
Linux - for IQs greater than 2000.
"Microsoft has vast resources, literally billions of dollars in cash, or liquid assets reserves.
Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods."
-- Former White House adviser Richard A. Clarke --
amicus_curious
"Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-EFF5F...@news.shawcable.net...
>
> How many do you suppose they were selling a decade later? How many do
> you think the installed base might have been by the time of the IBM PC's
> introduction? Now multiply by perhaps and average of as many as 500
> terminals connected to each mainframe, and you see how big a market IBM
> had when it said it had a personal computer that would not only do this
> new computing thing that people were starting to get interested in (but
> which IBM didn't really think was going to be very important--they just
> wanted to make sure that no one got the idea that you could by anything
> called a computer from anyone except Big Blue), but which could also be
> used as a replacement for the standard 3270 terminal (a promise that--as
> was so common for them--they didn't actually deliver on for some time).
>
I bought one of the first IBM PCs for my company, but there was nothing
about 3270 terminal emulation or compatibility. We had a lot of 3270's
certainly, so the issue would have been noted.
>>
>> IBM had a powerful brand that anyone who might be interested in buying a
>> personal computer would naturally trust.
>
> And a huge pre-built customer base to sell it to.
>
IBM didn't sell PCs directly. They were sold by ComputerLand, Sears, and a
few other retailers. I remember talking to our local IBM salesman about the
PC and he told us it was not on his sheets. Go to Computerland, he said.
IBM's brand was enough to generate sales. Obviously that brand recognition
was tied to their mainframe products as well as other office equipment, but
it wasn't an automatic sale.
Chris Ahlstrom
> Once upon a midnight dreary, as I laboured lone & weary, Chris Ahlstrom
> on 23/2/2011 11:34 shattered the silence with:
>
>> Hadron wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> I understand only too well that you were rude and insulting to
>>> Schilling. And later on seemed unaware that dereferencing a null pointer
>>> in C is illegal, But you were sucking up to Koehlmann.
>>
>> Prove any of the above. Let's see the posts, you big poser.
>
> Don't hold your breath. The Hadron M$ zealot never proves anything he says.
>
>> Or will you get the DFS stalker to do your legwork for you?
>
> As for Schilling, like it's been said, that's nothing to how he gets
> hammered in German Linux groups. And I've seen him get a roasting in
> english Linux groups too, & *not* by any COLA posters. (That's to pre-empt
> the Hadron M$ zealot, before he blames anyone here.)
Well, I skimmed through Jörg's cdrecord code, and saw that it was well laid
out and extremely thorough, obviously the work of a dedicated and
hard-working programmer. And I said so.
Very telling that "Hadron" ignores that, and exaggates what I said about
Jörg, which is that he is prickly and paranoid (obvious from some of his
sour-grapes comments about wodim). And I made those comments as an aside.
As for supporting Peter ("sucking up" in the parlance of the Lying Hadron
Crank), I'll eventually post a summary of the thread that shows just the
opposite, as well as "Hadron" trying to drag me into the thread before I had
posted a single response.
The man is an imbecile and a clown. A garbage poster and a troll.
--
We all know that no one understands anything that isn't funny.
flatfish+++
> "Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-EFF5F...@news.shawcable.net...
>
>>
>> How many do you suppose they were selling a decade later? How many do
>> you think the installed base might have been by the time of the IBM PC's
>> introduction? Now multiply by perhaps and average of as many as 500
>> terminals connected to each mainframe, and you see how big a market IBM
>> had when it said it had a personal computer that would not only do this
>> new computing thing that people were starting to get interested in (but
>> which IBM didn't really think was going to be very important--they just
>> wanted to make sure that no one got the idea that you could by anything
>> called a computer from anyone except Big Blue), but which could also be
>> used as a replacement for the standard 3270 terminal (a promise that--as
>> was so common for them--they didn't actually deliver on for some time).
>>
> I bought one of the first IBM PCs for my company, but there was nothing
> about 3270 terminal emulation or compatibility. We had a lot of 3270's
> certainly, so the issue would have been noted.
>>>
>>> IBM had a powerful brand that anyone who might be interested in buying a
>>> personal computer would naturally trust.
>>
>> And a huge pre-built customer base to sell it to.
>>
> IBM didn't sell PCs directly. They were sold by ComputerLand, Sears, and a
> few other retailers. I remember talking to our local IBM salesman about the
> PC and he told us it was not on his sheets. Go to Computerland, he said.
Actually I think IBM did have a failed attempt at a PC Store.
It started about the same time the PCJr was released.
Redjak
"Alan Baker" wrote in message
news:alangbaker-D53F5...@news.shawcable.net...
In article <ijun3b$lpn$1...@news.albasani.net>,
"Clavicus Vile" <clavic...@oblivion.org> wrote:
> "Alan Baker" <alang...@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-A8C23...@news.shawcable.net...
> > In article <4d5edfe2$0$10582$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> > SMS <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/18/2011 12:48 PM, Clavicus Vile wrote:
> >> > <http://androidosplatform.com/tag/homebuilt/>
> >>
> >> Market share-wise, of course Android will continue to dominate because
> >> Android devices are manufactured by about 50 different companies. But
> >> it
> >> may turn out the same way for Apple, with the only smart phone and
> >> tablet manufacturer with high margin products. Today it's all about
> >> manufacturing, marketing, and distribution, which Apple excels at.
> >
> > There's one thing that Apple has going that will continue to be an
> > advantage even going forward against Android:
> >
> > A coherent app ecosytem.
> >
> > Because of the nature of mobile providers, they're going to keep Android
> > more fragmented.
>
> Says the man with no iPhone.
>Does that change the reality of what I said at all?
Possibly somewhere in the universe your "reality" might exist.
Alan Baker
"Redjak" <redja...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I notice you don't actually address the question...
William Poaster
> William Poaster wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Once upon a midnight dreary, as I laboured lone & weary, Chris Ahlstrom
>> on 23/2/2011 11:34 shattered the silence with:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> I understand only too well that you were rude and insulting to
>>>> Schilling. And later on seemed unaware that dereferencing a null pointer
>>>> in C is illegal, But you were sucking up to Koehlmann.
>>>
>>> Prove any of the above. Let's see the posts, you big poser.
>>
>> Don't hold your breath. The Hadron M$ zealot never proves anything he says.
>>
>>> Or will you get the DFS stalker to do your legwork for you?
>>
>> As for Schilling, like it's been said, that's nothing to how he gets
>> hammered in German Linux groups. And I've seen him get a roasting in
>> english Linux groups too, & *not* by any COLA posters. (That's to pre-empt
>> the Hadron M$ zealot, before he blames anyone here.)
>
> Well, I skimmed through J�rg's cdrecord code, and saw that it was well laid
> out and extremely thorough, obviously the work of a dedicated and
> hard-working programmer. And I said so.
>
> Very telling that "Hadron" ignores that, and exaggates what I said about
> J�rg, which is that he is prickly and paranoid (obvious from some of his
> sour-grapes comments about wodim). And I made those comments as an aside.
>
> As for supporting Peter ("sucking up" in the parlance of the Lying Hadron
> Crank), I'll eventually post a summary of the thread that shows just the
> opposite, as well as "Hadron" trying to drag me into the thread before I had
> posted a single response.
Apparently the obsessive M$ zealot does that a lot. He even did it in the
Ubuntu group, an example of a reply to the troll is below:
" You have a habit of turning nearly every thread you participate in into a
flame war or just a general moan. You continually pull people into
threads by name and mentioning COLA at every opportunity."
From: Trevor Best to Hadron.
Message-ID: <20071217200201.102318a7@voyager>
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007
In reply:-
"In fact the reason I play in COLA is because the obsessives there interest
me."
From: Hadron
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007
COLA pwns the M$ zealot!!
> The man is an imbecile and a clown. A garbage poster and a troll.
Also has a "shitty, arrogant attitude, is a "self-pontificating pompous
ass"
is "a rabid Win-troll in a number of groups, in addition to the fact that
he's simply an ill-mannered, ill-educated, arrogant and shamelessly lying
character." is how he's been described by various people (NONE of them
COLA posters, BTW) in various groups.
Quite a CV (Resume, Americans would call it) he's made for himself there.
--
FireFox - Why, wtf did he do?
Homer
>>> On 2/21/2011 1:40 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting
>>>> Joerge Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also
>>>> being less than kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy
>>>> think he is?? He referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and
>>>> "cunts" too.
>
> "Hadron" is still pushing that stuff, eh?
"Hadron" is more than a little confused, as usual.
That was /me/ who ripped Schilling a new one. I complained that his star
program wouldn't compile, but just bombed out with some fraudulent and
bitter error about gmake being "broken" (just as he complains about Free
forks of /all/ his now non-Free software being "broken"), and the
suggestion to use his "superior" smake instead, which as it turns out is
full of bugs, and still failed to build "star". But he didn't believe
me, and accusing me of lying. So I posted a video of the build process
failing, and he suddenly made a pathetic excuse about not being able to
watch the video, then ran away.
I've still got that video, here:
http://media.slated.org/albums/content/video/star-b0rked.mpeg
/You/ OTOH were very polite, IIRC.
> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
Hadron thinks?
--
K. | "MS is working fast and furious
http://slated.org | on security." ~ DFS, June 2004
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on sky |
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 10 days | http://tinyurl.com/doofygoofs1
Chris Ahlstrom
> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>>> On 2/21/2011 1:40 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting
>>>>> Joerge Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also
>>>>> being less than kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy
>>>>> think he is?? He referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and
>>>>> "cunts" too.
>>
>> "Hadron" is still pushing that stuff, eh?
>
> "Hadron" is more than a little confused, as usual.
>
> That was /me/ who ripped Schilling a new one. I complained that his star
> program wouldn't compile, but just bombed out with some fraudulent and
> bitter error about gmake being "broken" (just as he complains about Free
> forks of /all/ his now non-Free software being "broken"), and the
> suggestion to use his "superior" smake instead, which as it turns out is
> full of bugs, and still failed to build "star". But he didn't believe
> me, and accusing me of lying. So I posted a video of the build process
> failing, and he suddenly made a pathetic excuse about not being able to
> watch the video, then ran away.
>
> I've still got that video, here:
>
> http://media.slated.org/albums/content/video/star-b0rked.mpeg
>
> /You/ OTOH were very polite, IIRC.
>
>> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
>
> Hadron thinks?
I meant "sthinks". "Hadron"'s specialties are lies and insults.
That is, when he is outright crazy.
--
Yet you don't answer his question. Where did he lie you dishonest little
"advocate" you? Come on. You're telling lies again to suck up to the
"advocates" again aren't you? Why do you do it?
You're a nasty piece of work, no two ways about that.
-- "Hadron" <1hag67-...@news.eternal-september.org>
Chris Ahlstrom
> Verily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>>>> On 2/21/2011 1:40 PM, Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It was the same when Chris Ahlstrom was swearing and insulting
>>>>> Joerge Schilling and had the nads to "review his code".... Also
>>>>> being less than kind about de Icaza. Just who the hell does Creepy
>>>>> think he is?? He referred to other OSS developers as "fuckhead" and
>>>>> "cunts" too.
>>
>> "Hadron" is still pushing that stuff, eh?
>
> "Hadron" is more than a little confused, as usual.
>
> That was /me/ who ripped Schilling a new one. I complained that his star
> program wouldn't compile, but just bombed out with some fraudulent and
> bitter error about gmake being "broken" (just as he complains about Free
> forks of /all/ his now non-Free software being "broken"), and the
> suggestion to use his "superior" smake instead, which as it turns out is
> full of bugs, and still failed to build "star". But he didn't believe
> me, and accusing me of lying. So I posted a video of the build process
> failing, and he suddenly made a pathetic excuse about not being able to
> watch the video, then ran away.
>
> I've still got that video, here:
>
> http://media.slated.org/albums/content/video/star-b0rked.mpeg
>
> /You/ OTOH were very polite, IIRC.
>
>> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
>
> Hadron thinks?
I meant "sthinks". "Hadron"'s specialties are lies and insults.
That is, when he isn't outright crazy.
chrisv
>>> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
>>
>> Hadron thinks?
>
>I meant "sthinks". "Hadron"'s specialties are lies and insults.
>
>That is, when he is outright crazy.
He knows that he's a liar. He knows that he's shit.
--
"Confusion is running rife." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
Hadron
Why are you telling lies again? Where are my "lies"?
YOU are the one who calls people fuckheads and cunts.
Would you like links ?
You are the one who downright lied about my Debian usage and knowledge.
Would you like links ?
You can try and rewrite history all you like but the facts are the
facts.
Grow a spine, stop sucking up, be a bit more honest and maybe, just
maybe, you wont be ridiculed quite as much.
Peter Köhlmann
>>>> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
>>>
>>> Hadron thinks?
>>
>> I meant "sthinks". "Hadron"'s specialties are lies and insults.
>>
>> That is, when he isn't outright crazy.
>
> Why are you telling lies again? Where are my "lies"?
>
> YOU are the one who calls people fuckheads and cunts.
>
> Would you like links ?
>
Yes, please. After all, it would be the first time you actually provided links
which contain what you claim they do
> You are the one who downright lied about my Debian usage and knowledge.
There is no lie about that. You don't use debian, and you don't use linux.
And never have. And your "knowledge" is about as non-existant. You were not
even able to install ubuntu
> Would you like links ?
The type of links you usually provide when asked? That is, none at all?
> You can try and rewrite history all you like but the facts are the
> facts.
The facts are that you never provided any links, even when you yourself
offered them and then were asked to follow suit
> Grow a spine, stop sucking up, be a bit more honest and maybe, just
> maybe, you wont be ridiculed quite as much.
Well, better would be if you stopped outright lying. But since thats all you
are able to do, there isn't much hope
--
Microsoft Windows - The art of incompetence.
One-Shot; One-Kill
useless fscking turd "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:d7cfm6551daj4i1i1...@4ax.com...
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>>> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
>>>
>>> Hadron thinks?
>>
>>I meant "sthinks". "Hadron"'s specialties are lies and insults.
>>
>>That is, when he is outright crazy.
>
> He knows that he's a liar. He knows that he's shit.
"chrisv" is a liar. "chrisv" is a piece of shit.
William Poaster
on 25/2/2011 13:57 shattered the silence with:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>>>>> Just who the hell does "Hadron" think he is??
>>>>
>>>> Hadron thinks?
>>>
>>> I meant "sthinks". "Hadron"'s specialties are lies and insults.
>>>
>>> That is, when he isn't outright crazy.
>>
>> Why are you telling lies again? Where are my "lies"?
>>
>> YOU are the one who calls people fuckheads and cunts.
>>
>> Would you like links ?
>>
>
> Yes, please. After all, it would be the first time you actually provided links
> which contain what you claim they do
>
>> You are the one who downright lied about my Debian usage and knowledge.
>
> There is no lie about that. You don't use debian, and you don't use linux.
> And never have. And your "knowledge" is about as non-existant. You were not
> even able to install ubuntu.
"I'm a long term Windows user and programmer"
Hadron - alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Message-ID: <87y7hxd...@googlemail.com>
"What specifically was wrong with XP? I've used it for development for
years and never experienced the BSODs the liars in this group claim."
From: Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87ir9p5...@gmail.com>
Funny, I don't recall seeing all these people in this group:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9155419/Windows_patch_cripples_XP_with_blue_screen_users_claim
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/update-causing-bsod-for-some-xp-users/7235
And here are a few pretty pics of windoze BSODs (Yes, & some are XP!):-
http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&xhr=t&q=xp+bsod&cp=5&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&sa=X&ei=qLpnTdf1IcXMhAfvyJzyDg&sqi=2&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=630
>> Would you like links ?
>
> The type of links you usually provide when asked? That is, none at all?
>
>> You can try and rewrite history all you like but the facts are the
>> facts.
>
> The facts are that you never provided any links, even when you yourself
> offered them and then were asked to follow suit
>
>> Grow a spine, stop sucking up, be a bit more honest and maybe, just
>> maybe, you wont be ridiculed quite as much.
Oh, the irony... This from a M$ fanboi who "sucks up" to flatfish &
DumbFor$ure.
> Well, better would be if you stopped outright lying. But since thats all you
> are able to do, there isn't much hope
Does a leopard change its spots?
--
VIII. Any non-trivial program contains at least one bug.
chrisv
> Hadron quacked:
>>
>> You can try and rewrite history all you like but the facts are the
>> facts.
The facts are that you are lying, Larry, and everyone here knows it.
Everyone here knows that you routinely lie and call honest people
liars.
Larry the Liar.
>The facts are that you never provided any links, even when you yourself
>offered them and then were asked to follow suit
>
>> Grow a spine, stop sucking up, be a bit more honest and maybe, just
>> maybe, you wont be ridiculed quite as much.
Take you own advise, Larry.
>Well, better would be if you stopped outright lying. But since thats all you
>are able to do, there isn't much hope
A problem is that Larry seems to *like* being ridiculed. He seems to
*like* making a public jackass of himself. He seems to *like* lying
even though *everyone* knows that he is lying.
Homer
> Hadron wrote:
>> Would you like links ?
>
> The type of links you usually provide when asked? That is, none at
> all?
"Hadron" never thinks, rarely links, but very often slinks, like he's
about to do right now.
Snit
> Verily I say unto thee, that Peter Köhlmann spake thusly:
>> Hadron wrote:
>
>>> Would you like links ?
>>
>> The type of links you usually provide when asked? That is, none at
>> all?
>
> "Hadron" never thinks, rarely links, but very often slinks, like he's
> about to do right now.
The ultimate "slinking" is all of the kill filters the "advocates" use. Do
not get me wrong - they have every right to slink away as they do, but do
not pretend it is, primarily, for any reason other than the fact they cannot
support their views.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Hadron
> Verily I say unto thee, that Peter Köhlmann spake thusly:
>> Hadron wrote:
>
>>> Would you like links ?
>>
>> The type of links you usually provide when asked? That is, none at
>> all?
>
> "Hadron" never thinks, rarely links, but very often slinks, like he's
> about to do right now.
I have posted the links before. Most dont need links. Peter is, as his
wont, telling lies again.
Chris Ahlstrom
> Hadron wrote:
>
> <crybaby whining and insult snipped>
>
> Well, better would be if you stopped outright lying. But since thats all you
> are able to do, there isn't much hope
Poor fellow needs to give up trolling. He's no good at it.
--
I dote on his very absence.
-- William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice"
Hadron
> Peter K??hlmann wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>> <crybaby whining and insult snipped>
>>
>> Well, better would be if you stopped outright lying. But since thats all you
>> are able to do, there isn't much hope
>
> Poor fellow needs to give up trolling. He's no good at it.
All you seem to do is follow me around and tell lies. Why?
I have documented your lies.
You have totally failed to document any from me.
Why is that?
Big Steel
<snipped>
This is prime-time working hours in the US. You have about 15 minutes
left on your lunch-brake before you should be going back to work
(coding). You should tell the truth. You are not a programmer. And if
you do have a job, you should be fired for slacking-off too much and
posting to NG(s), instead of working.
Chris Ahlstrom
Kiss my ass.
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<Espy> I invoke Espy's law, which states that you all suck :P
Peter Köhlmann
> Homer <use...@slated.org> writes:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Peter Köhlmann spake thusly:
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>>> Would you like links ?
>>>
>>> The type of links you usually provide when asked? That is, none at
>>> all?
>>
>> "Hadron" never thinks, rarely links, but very often slinks, like he's
>> about to do right now.
>
> I have posted the links before.
No, you haven't
> Most dont need links.
To know that you are the worst liar in colaa, after Snit Michael Glasser?
Right, for that nobody needs any links. It is quite obvious
> Peter is, as his wont, telling lies again.
Certainly. And you can prove it. With links, naturally
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Absurdity, n.:
A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one's own
opinion.