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Hardon

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Jun 12, 2012, 3:38:01 PM6/12/12
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<http://consumerist.com/2012/06/newegg-installing-linux-on-your-computer-is-basically-the-same-as-breaking-it.html>

<quote>
One would think that Newegg, beloved electronics supplier to the
world's geeks wouldn't have a problem with customers installing
different operating systems on their systems after delivery. Heck,
they should expect it. Which is why Norma was surprised when she
returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy display after only three
days, and Newegg refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
</quote>

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Foster

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Jun 12, 2012, 3:54:03 PM6/12/12
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On 12 Jun 2012 19:38:01 GMT, Hardon wrote:

> <http://consumerist.com/2012/06/newegg-installing-linux-on-your-computer-is-basically-the-same-as-breaking-it.html>
>
> <quote>
> One would think that Newegg, beloved electronics supplier to the
> world's geeks wouldn't have a problem with customers installing
> different operating systems on their systems after delivery. Heck,
> they should expect it. Which is why Norma was surprised when she
> returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy display after only three
> days, and Newegg refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
> Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
> </quote>


Good for them...

She did not return the unit in the condition she bought it in.

And chances are, the glitchy display was due to Linux fscking up.

7

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Jun 12, 2012, 4:13:34 PM6/12/12
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Hardon wrote:

> <http://consumerist.com/2012/06/newegg-installing-linux-on-your-computer-
is-basically-the-same-as-breaking-it.html>
>
> <quote>
> One would think that Newegg, beloved electronics supplier to the
> world's geeks wouldn't have a problem with customers installing
> different operating systems on their systems after delivery. Heck,
> they should expect it. Which is why Norma was surprised when she
> returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy display after only three
> days, and Newegg refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
> Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
> </quote>


This kind of behavior is usually before a company goes bust.


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DFS

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Jun 12, 2012, 6:07:59 PM6/12/12
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On 6/12/2012 3:38 PM, Hardon wrote:
> <http://consumerist.com/2012/06/newegg-installing-linux-on-your-computer-is-basically-the-same-as-breaking-it.html>
>
> <quote>
> One would think that Newegg, beloved electronics supplier to the
> world's geeks wouldn't have a problem with customers installing
> different operating systems on their systems after delivery. Heck,
> they should expect it. Which is why Norma was surprised when she
> returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy display after only three
> days, and Newegg refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
> Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
> </quote>


It's not basically the same as breaking it; it is the same as breaking it.




Gregory Shearman

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Jun 12, 2012, 6:19:29 PM6/12/12
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On 2012-06-12, Hardon <hardon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><quote>
> One would think that Newegg, beloved electronics supplier to the
> world's geeks wouldn't have a problem with customers installing
> different operating systems on their systems after delivery. Heck,
> they should expect it. Which is why Norma was surprised when she
> returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy display after only three
> days, and Newegg refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
> Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
></quote>

I find it good policy to install another HDD and keep the original
handy and *then* in install Linux. If you have any hardware problems you
simply install the other HDD and return the machine to the supplier for
warranty repairs. Then there's no question of "linux destroying
hardware".

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Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power

Foster

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Jun 12, 2012, 7:13:48 PM6/12/12
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Turn your computer into a brick ---> Install Linux !

Foster

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Jun 12, 2012, 7:22:27 PM6/12/12
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:34:21 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:

> Roy Culley wrote:
>
>> Which is why Norma was surprised when she
>> returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy
>> display after only three days, and Newegg
>> refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
>> Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
>>
>
> Linux crapware destroyed her hardware and now she wants a refund. Yellow dog
> linux on my G4 Mac didn't have enough brains to run the cooling fan causing
> the CPU to overheat.

You get what you don't pay for with Linux.
Crap software.

Steve Carroll

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Jun 12, 2012, 7:21:50 PM6/12/12
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On Jun 12, 3:34 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
> Roy Culley wrote:
> > Which is why Norma was surprised when she
> > returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy
> > display after only three days, and Newegg
> > refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
> > Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
>
> Linux crapware destroyed her hardware and now she wants a refund. Yellow dog
> linux on my G4 Mac didn't have enough brains to run the cooling fan causing
> the CPU to overheat.

Are you serious? I'm SO glad I read this post!

Foster

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Jun 12, 2012, 7:47:38 PM6/12/12
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There are tons of hits on Google concerning Linux, laptops and fan
speed problems.

Steve Carroll

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Jun 12, 2012, 7:53:51 PM6/12/12
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The weird thing is that I had literally just finished writing a post
talking about installing Linux on an old G4 tower and then I saw his
post. I wasn't able to install it today because I didn't have any CDs
that would hold the install (omen?). Now I'm not so sure I want to do
this...

DFS

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Jun 12, 2012, 11:00:59 PM6/12/12
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Something similar happened to Greycloud.

DFS

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Jun 12, 2012, 11:16:44 PM6/12/12
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Even if it boots, the power mgmt and hibernate/suspend is inferior (if
it works at all). Not to mention the god-awful apps and games you're
stuck with.

But we should remember it's just 2012, and Linux has only had 20+ years
to get the basics working. Come back in 10 more years and see if
anything has changed - I bet 2/3 of the current crop of "advocates" are
still here using Windows at work and babbling about how great Linux is.

Voodoo Magoo

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Jun 13, 2012, 1:37:37 AM6/13/12
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:07:59 -0400, DFS wrote:

thats right! and did you know linux gives you shingles? and bill gates
can cure cancer by laying hands on you!

GreyCloud

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Jun 13, 2012, 2:56:00 AM6/13/12
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Yep. And the G5 runs hotter than a G4. Smoked the heat sink paste a
bit, but I was fast enough to pull the plug. At least the mac didn't
get hurt and still works. I did this about 4 years ago.

(I'm up a bit late, have to keep an eye on my mother... pain issues)

Foster

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Jun 13, 2012, 8:29:25 AM6/13/12
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IMHO it's simply not worth destroying a CPU over.
It literally takes seconds to fry a CPU as anyone who has not used a
proper heat sink compound will attest to.

Linux has been here for 20 years and still can't manage power
management on laptops.

That's pretty piss poor IMHO.


Hope all is well with your mom :)

Torre Starnes

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Jun 13, 2012, 9:15:30 AM6/13/12
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Exactly.

People are simply not interested in downgrading their computing
experience just for the joy of running Linux.
I think 20 years of excuses by the Linux community have proven that.

Foster

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Jun 13, 2012, 9:16:33 AM6/13/12
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On 13 Jun 2012 05:37:37 GMT, Voodoo Magoo wrote:


> thats right! and did you know linux gives you shingles?

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Linux can sure give you a headache, that's a fact.

JEDIDIAH

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Jun 13, 2012, 12:32:51 PM6/13/12
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So what he is saying that the BIOS can't manage on it's own like a PC
would under similar circumstances?

Great "quality" there.

Although even will "full hardware support" from the OS that came with
your Mac, the monitoring and control options for your fans and CPU will be
limited and the relevant 3rd party tools can be buggered by an OSX update.

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to find problems rather than experiencing them yourself. / | \

JEDIDIAH

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Jun 13, 2012, 12:36:03 PM6/13/12
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On 2012-06-13, Torre Starnes <torre....@gmail.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:16:44 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 6/12/2012 7:13 PM, Foster wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:07:59 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/12/2012 3:38 PM, Hardon wrote:
>>>>> <http://consumerist.com/2012/06/newegg-installing-linux-on-your-computer-is-basically-the-same-as-breaking-it.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> <quote>
>>>>> One would think that Newegg, beloved electronics supplier to the
>>>>> world's geeks wouldn't have a problem with customers installing
>>>>> different operating systems on their systems after delivery. Heck,
>>>>> they should expect it. Which is why Norma was surprised when she
>>>>> returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy display after only three
>>>>> days, and Newegg refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
>>>>> Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
>>>>> </quote>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not basically the same as breaking it; it is the same as breaking it.
>>>
>>> Turn your computer into a brick ---> Install Linux !
>>
>>
>> Even if it boots, the power mgmt and hibernate/suspend is inferior (if

Not really.

MacOS just treats you like a mushroom.

With Windows, the base install offers little and you may have trouble
finding 3rd party tools to cover the gaps. As far as hibernate/suspend in
particular goes, it's always seemed like a sad joke on Windows best turned
off entirely.

[deletia]

A Lemming bragging about hibernate sounds much like a midget trying to
call a dwarf shorty. The same goes for wifi to a considerable degree.

Hadron

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Jun 13, 2012, 1:01:53 PM6/13/12
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JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2012-06-13, Torre Starnes <torre....@gmail.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:16:44 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/12/2012 7:13 PM, Foster wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:07:59 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/12/2012 3:38 PM, Hardon wrote:
>>>>>> <http://consumerist.com/2012/06/newegg-installing-linux-on-your-computer-is-basically-the-same-as-breaking-it.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <quote>
>>>>>> One would think that Newegg, beloved electronics supplier to the
>>>>>> world's geeks wouldn't have a problem with customers installing
>>>>>> different operating systems on their systems after delivery. Heck,
>>>>>> they should expect it. Which is why Norma was surprised when she
>>>>>> returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy display after only three
>>>>>> days, and Newegg refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
>>>>>> Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
>>>>>> </quote>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not basically the same as breaking it; it is the same as breaking it.
>>>>
>>>> Turn your computer into a brick ---> Install Linux !
>>>
>>>
>>> Even if it boots, the power mgmt and hibernate/suspend is inferior (if
>
> Not really.
>
> MacOS just treats you like a mushroom.

Total non sequitur as usual Jed. The nurse has upped your meds or you
downed one Jolt too many?

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GreyCloud

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Jun 13, 2012, 1:51:30 PM6/13/12
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I was fast enough to prevent it from destroying the cpu.
I wasn't expecting it to do that.

>
> Linux has been here for 20 years and still can't manage power
> management on laptops.
>
> That's pretty piss poor IMHO.
>
>
> Hope all is well with your mom :)

Not sure what is causing this cyclical pain in the hip area.
But the surgeon did say it could last up to a year.

GreyCloud

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Jun 13, 2012, 1:54:25 PM6/13/12
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On 6/13/2012 10:32 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2012-06-12, Steve Carroll<fretw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 12, 3:34 pm, Nomen Nescio<nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>>> Roy Culley wrote:
>>>> Which is why Norma was surprised when she
>>>> returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy
>>>> display after only three days, and Newegg
>>>> refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
>>>> Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
>>>
>>> Linux crapware destroyed her hardware and now she wants a refund. Yellow dog
>>> linux on my G4 Mac didn't have enough brains to run the cooling fan causing
>>> the CPU to overheat.
>>
>> Are you serious? I'm SO glad I read this post!
>
> So what he is saying that the BIOS can't manage on it's own like a PC
> would under similar circumstances?
>
> Great "quality" there.
>

Apple has no obligation to make sure some other foreign operating system
won't damage the computer.
But they did make sure that Windows will work correctly on their
computers if one wants windows to share resources.

> Although even will "full hardware support" from the OS that came with
> your Mac, the monitoring and control options for your fans and CPU will be
> limited and the relevant 3rd party tools can be buggered by an OSX update.
>

And I'm sure you've got something to back up your claim.
I've never seen any damages to the computer yet to an OS X update or
upgrade. I've heard of instances of updates causing some problems for
others.


Chris Ahlstrom

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Jun 13, 2012, 2:32:41 PM6/13/12
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After swilling some grog, Nomen Nescio belched this bit o' wisdom:

> Roy Culley wrote:
>
>> Which is why Norma was surprised when she
>> returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy
>> display after only three days, and Newegg
>> refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
>> Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
>
> Linux crapware destroyed her hardware and now she wants a refund. Yellow dog
> linux on my G4 Mac didn't have enough brains to run the cooling fan causing
> the CPU to overheat.

Hello, Greycloud....

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have an established user base.

Steve Carroll

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Jun 13, 2012, 4:11:20 PM6/13/12
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On Jun 13, 11:54 am, GreyCloud <m...@cumulus.com> wrote:

(snip)

> And I'm sure you've got something to back up your claim.
> I've never seen any damages to the computer yet to an OS X update or
> upgrade.  I've heard of instances of updates causing some problems for
> others.

I've run every version of OSX on the machine in question (and every
update) that it was capable of running. Never had an overheating issue
(or any other major issue, for that matter). I used to use it for
audio recording work... so it's not like the machine wasn't being
utilized to its max on a regular basis.

Foster

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Jun 13, 2012, 4:29:43 PM6/13/12
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You were quick and the fact that Apple over engineer their products
probably helped.
>>
>> Linux has been here for 20 years and still can't manage power
>> management on laptops.
>>
>> That's pretty piss poor IMHO.
>>
>>
>> Hope all is well with your mom :)
>
> Not sure what is causing this cyclical pain in the hip area.
> But the surgeon did say it could last up to a year.

Maybe calcium deposits in the joint?
My dad has that. It tears at the cartilage and causes problems.

GreyCloud

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Jun 13, 2012, 4:50:39 PM6/13/12
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The G5 imac power supplies has a few problems in them. Some of the caps
explode. This is caused by the vendor apple chose, in that they
underrated the working voltage on a few electrolytic capacitors. I've
seen this problem from time to time from various commercial vendors
trying to shortcut this to lower the cost. It never works and never
will work out. All it does is ruin their reputation.

I have found that the gpu runs about 20degrees higher than the cpu. Of
course the imac has two cooling fans and come on when the temp hits a
trip point. But in this case, yellow dog linux didn't take this into
account.

>>>
>>> Linux has been here for 20 years and still can't manage power
>>> management on laptops.
>>>
>>> That's pretty piss poor IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope all is well with your mom :)
>>
>> Not sure what is causing this cyclical pain in the hip area.
>> But the surgeon did say it could last up to a year.
>
> Maybe calcium deposits in the joint?
> My dad has that. It tears at the cartilage and causes problems.

Xrays show arthritis.

GreyCloud

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Jun 13, 2012, 4:54:51 PM6/13/12
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Yes, audio work isn't really taxing the system much. What does jack up
the power consumption is doing intensive graphics work. I've found that
the gpu runs about 20 degrees hotter than the cpu on my old imac.
You won't have those problems in the tower versions. I've seen them
work and the fans are always on plus there is more room for the parts to
get better ventilation. That's why I went to an HP tower.

Putting linux on an older apple tower tho shouldn't be a problem... just
check out or find any compatibility list for your particular model.

GreyCloud

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Jun 13, 2012, 4:55:17 PM6/13/12
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On 6/13/2012 12:32 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Nomen Nescio belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Roy Culley wrote:
>>
>>> Which is why Norma was surprised when she
>>> returned her new Thinkpad that had a glitchy
>>> display after only three days, and Newegg
>>> refused the RMA. Why? Well, she had installed Linux
>>> Mint on it, which voids the Newegg return policy for computers.
>>
>> Linux crapware destroyed her hardware and now she wants a refund. Yellow dog
>> linux on my G4 Mac didn't have enough brains to run the cooling fan causing
>> the CPU to overheat.
>
> Hello, Greycloud....
>

Yes?

7

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Jun 15, 2012, 5:07:04 PM6/15/12
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Suppliers who supply NewEggs and their lying thieving management
have as good as broken by default a percentage of the kit sold as soon
as they ship it to NewEggs.

On arrival, if it gets sold to any server farm, supercomputer
maker, or Linux customer, then because it has been
supplied through NewEggs, it is broken.

Suppliers have NewEggs on their face and get creamed
by screaming customers.

Suppliers should refuse to supply NewEggs unless they want
NewEggs on their face and screaming customers.


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