Why Linux Sucks.
Magnus Boyle
"Exactly right. This is why
Exactly right. This is why I went back to Windows after 2 years using
Ubuntu.
I get really tired of having to research every damn little thing to get
done what I need to get done. You can say what you want about Microsoft's
OS, their costs, whatever... but I don't need to configure everything and
spend 3 hours doing something that should take 3 minutes. There are other
aspects to life besides sitting in front of a computer. And forget getting
any help from forums... that's a joke. Maybe 1 out of every 8 times I had
trouble did I find an applicable solution I could follow online.
Linux will never be a viable alternative to Win or Mac until they get the
basic things right. But the Linuxians circle themselves on their own
arguments. On one hand everything you need you can get with an open source
app. You don't need proprietary software. Linux is easy, and user
friendly.... then you have a problem you can't figure out and suddenly you
get the "maybe Linux isn't for a dumbass like you" treatment. There's a
learning curve, it isn't for everyone, etc...
Which is it?
"
"Here's my horror
Here's my horror story:
Tried to compile Alpine because I do not have admin privileges to install
the Debian package (I'm using Ubuntu). It seems that rpm packages can be
installed without admin privileges, but the box I'm using does not have
rpm.
I try to compile Alpine, and I get error because "security/pam_appl.h"
cannot be found.
I download Linux PAM. I cannot compile it because yywrap cannot be found
during linking. Googled and found this:
http://flex.sourceforge.net/manual/I-get-an-error-about-undefined-yywrap....
I cannot add "%option noyywrap" without the .c files being regenerated
because flex is not installed on the system.
I download and compile flex. The compilation and install is smooth.
Get some other problems by adding "%option noyywrap", so I decide to link
the object to lib fl.
Get past linking error, but now get error that yacc is not installed. I
download, compile, and install yacc without problems.
Try to compile Alpine. Getting errors that "security/pam_appl.h" cannot be
found on osdep.c. I can't figure out how to modify the configure file and
it seems that passing the include dir to configure does not generate the
correct Makefile. I'm probably doing something wrong. So I modify the
Makefile to include the PAM include directory.
Still getting that "security/pam_appl.h" cannot be found. Shouldn't
CFLAGS/INCLUDES=-I do the job? I'm not thinking straight anymore. Modify
osdep.c to so that absolute location of pam_appl.h is specified.
Still getting the same error! Turns out that the Makefile does "cat
osdepbas.c osdepckp.c osdeplog.c osdepssl.c > osdep.c" to generate osdep.c.
This makes me barf. So I modify one of the .c files to point to the
absolute location pam_appl.h. (By the way, they do they do #include
"sslstdio.c" in a osdep.c. Sure you can do that, but that's seems like
lousy, lazy engineering to me).
I still can't compile because I'm getting a boatload of compilation errors.
I stop.
I download and pine. Get undefined reference to "crypt" during linking.
There is no configure script, so I have to modify Makefile or something
else to point to libcrypt. I stop for the day.
On other hand, the Windows Alpine version installs and starts up in a snap.
No problems at all.
"
Gordon
> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>
> "Exactly right. This is why
>
> Exactly right. This is why I went back to Windows after 2 years using
> Ubuntu.
>
> I get really tired of having to research every damn little thing to get
> done what I need to get done.
What a LOAD of BOLLOCKS.
Applications-Ubuntu Software Centre-{choose your application}-install.
Job done.
Terry Porter
> Magnus Boyle wrote:
>> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
Too poorly written to hold my interest past the first few lines, he's
unhappy about something but isn't skilled enough to make the story
interesting enough for me to care.
All I saw was that he wants to convert video format and burn DVD's and he
also wants a MAC style docking bar..
>>
>> "Exactly right. This is why
>>
>> Exactly right. This is why I went back to Windows after 2 years using
>> Ubuntu.
>>
>> I get really tired of having to research every damn little thing to get
>> done what I need to get done.
That must be the problem, he doesn't seem to like learning.
I wonder how loudly he would complain if he had to bond two wifi links,
draw a schematic diagram, or write a program in Perl.
How about set up a server online with reverse SSH logins and a portscan
detector ?
What about manage a dozen Linksys WRT54GL gateways and alter their
firewalls remotely with FWbuilder ?
Linux makes the really hard and damn near impossible ... doo-able and
achievable, but I guess the really easy, will always be too hard for some
people.
>
>
> What a LOAD of BOLLOCKS.
>
> Applications-Ubuntu Software Centre-{choose your application}-install.
>
> Job done.
Or even type the application name in a xterm and Ubuntu will tell you
what to type to get it installed. That's very cool.
--
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Erik Jan
> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>
> "Exactly right. This is why
>
> Exactly right. This is why I went back to Windows after 2 years using
> Ubuntu.
>
> I get really tired of having to research every damn little thing to get
> done what I need to get done. You can say what you want about Microsoft's
> OS, their costs, whatever... but I don't need to configure everything and
> spend 3 hours doing something that should take 3 minutes. There are other
> aspects to life besides sitting in front of a computer. And forget getting
> any help from forums... that's a joke. Maybe 1 out of every 8 times I had
> trouble did I find an applicable solution I could follow online.
Of course, GNU/Linux is not Windows, so some things are done differently
and it may take some time to learn the other way of doing things.
Perhaps it is because I am using Mandriva Linux, but I found the forums
very helpful, patient and prompt. I ask a question and within 24 hours I
get an answer. If the answer does not solve the problem, I try to
explain better and get other suggestions. I was never stuck with my problem.
> Linux will never be a viable alternative to Win or Mac until they get the
> basic things right. But the Linuxians circle themselves on their own
> arguments. On one hand everything you need you can get with an open source
> app. You don't need proprietary software. Linux is easy, and user
> friendly....
It is!
> then you have a problem you can't figure out and suddenly you
> get the "maybe Linux isn't for a dumbass like you" treatment. There's a
> learning curve, it isn't for everyone, etc...
I never got this treatment, on the contrary....
> Which is it?
>
> "Here's my horror
What is simpler than getting it from the repository? I do not know about
Ubuntu or Debian, of course, but had I needed Alpine, I would have gone
to the Mandriva Control Center, Add and Remove Software, selected it
and got it. What is simpler than that?
> Here's my horror story:
<snip horror story>
I cannot comment on the horrors of compiling, never attempted it because
with the repositories available I never needed it.
I hope you are happy now with Windows, but whenever you wish to get a
secure system again, try a GNU/Linux distribution with ample
repositories like Mandriva Linux; I suppose there are others too.
Greetings,
Erik Jan.
--
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"Once profit becomes the exclusive goal,
if it is produced by improper means and without the common good as its
ultimate end,
it risks destroying wealth and creating poverty."
Pope Benedict XVI
Gordon
> What is simpler than getting it from the repository? I do not know about
> Ubuntu or Debian, of course, but had I needed Alpine, I would have gone
> to the Mandriva Control Center, Add and Remove Software, selected it and
> got it. What is simpler than that?
>
Ubuntu has it in the repository as well.....
High Plains Thumper
<SNIP>
> I still can't compile because I'm getting a boatload of compilation
> errors.
> I stop.
> I download and pine. Get undefined reference to "crypt" during
> linking.
> There is no configure script, so I have to modify Makefile or
> something else to point to libcrypt. I stop for the day.
>
> On other hand, the Windows Alpine version installs and starts up in a
> snap.
> No problems at all.
> "
Pure FUD ala Flatfish style.
It is installed on my Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala system through the
synaptic package manager:
[quote]
alpine
Installed Version 2.00+dfsg-4ubuntu
Text-based email client, friendly for novices but powerful
Alpine is an upgrade of the well-known PINE email client. Its name
derives from the use of the Apache License and its ties to PINE.
It features a full suite of support for mail protocols like IMAP and
SMTP and security protocols like TLS. It uses curses for its interface.
[/quote]
Hello, Flatfish! You could not leave enough alone, could you, and wait
30 days.
--
HPT
Goblin
What amazes me is that the poster of that mail expects us to believe it
took 2 years to decide they wanted to go back to Windows. Arguably
Linux is in a far better position and far better supported than two
years ago, so on that basis alone, the decision to move back would have
been more believable if it had been then.
2 years to work out somethings not for you? Personally when I made the
move from Windows (due to Vista) it took me a matter of months..
I also love the way the poster suggests that Linux users are putting up
with the "basic things" not working....Ive spent less time messing with
Linux than I ever did with Windows..thats me though and unlike the
poster I would not seek to suggest everyone has the same experience as me.
--
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http://www.openbytes.wordpress.com - The blog of Goblin!
"I refute the claim I am one of the Linux unwashed. I take a shower once
a year whether I need to or not"
Also catch me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/_Goblin
and also in #boycottnovell on irc.freenode.net
Marti van Lin
The OP didn't show up, meaning it's yet another nymshifting troll
spewing garbage. The only purpose of the OP's message is:
“Mopping Up can be a lot of fun. In the Mopping Up phase, Evangelism’s
goal is to put the final nail into the competing technology’s coffin,
and bury it in the burning depths of the earth. Ideally, use of the
competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in,
“he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2.” Just keep
rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the
complete failure of the competition’s technology part of the mythology
of the computer industry.”
Evangelism is War!
--
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Richard Rasker
> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>
> Exactly right. This is why I went back to Windows after 2 years using
> Ubuntu.
Ah, really ... after only two years ... Ah well, bring on some more of that
delicious FUD ...
> I get really tired of having to research every damn little thing to get
> done what I need to get done.
Such as ... ?
> You can say what you want about Microsoft's OS, their costs, whatever...
> but I don't need to configure everything
Configure exactly *what*?
> and spend 3 hours doing something that should take 3 minutes.
*What* is taking three hours that should take three minutes? I have the
eXPerience that installing a printer under Windows takes between half an
hour and an hour, depending on whether one has the the driver CD or not.
Under Linux, it usually /is/ a matter of three minutes -- as confirmed
yesterday: I installed Mandriva 2010 for my newest user. Installing his
Canon Pixma i4000 was a matter of plugging it in, clicking Yes three times
(when asked whether he wanted to install this printer and make it the
default printer), and wait a few minutes while everything was downloaded,
installed and configured automatically. It really can't get any easier that
that.
> There are other aspects to life besides sitting in front of a computer.
> And forget getting any help from forums... that's a joke. Maybe 1 out of
> every 8 times I had trouble did I find an applicable solution I could
> follow online.
>
> Linux will never be a viable alternative to Win or Mac until they get the
> basic things right.
*What* basic things?
> But the Linuxians circle themselves on their own arguments. On one hand
> everything you need you can get with an open source app. You don't need
> proprietary software. Linux is easy, and user friendly.... then you have a
> problem you can't figure out and suddenly you get the "maybe Linux isn't
> for a dumbass like you" treatment.
This is a lie. It just takes one look in the forums to see how problems are
taken seriously, and people are treated politely. I randomly clicked a few
dozen threads in randomly chosen Ubuntu forums, and I couldn't find even
one impolite response or "RTFM" answer.
> There's a learning curve, it isn't for everyone, etc...
>
> Which is it?
Linux is for everyone who isn't completely satisfied with Windows and
doesn't mind change. Sure, there's always a bit of a learning curve, and
sure, there will always be bugs and problems -- no software is perfect, and
that goes for both Windows and Linux -- and not all Windows applications
are available in Linux; it's still a Windows-centric world after all. But
on average, Linux works very well indeed, and the average computer user has
few, if any, problems after getting familiar with the new system. Not more
problems that they had under Windows, in any way.
Migrating from Windows to Linux is like moving to another city: it
inevitably takes time and effort to find your way around, and people
sometimes feel quite lost in the beginning.
> "Here's my horror
>
> Here's my horror story:
> Tried to compile Alpine because I do not have admin privileges to install
> the Debian package (I'm using Ubuntu).
This person should to ask his sysadmin to install it, or (if it's his own
machine) ask in a forum how he can get root rights to install it himself.
Compiling stuff is asking for lots of trouble, and is usually recommended
only for experts. AFAICS, Alpine is available in all the major
distributions' repositories, so if the only barrier is lack of root rights
to install it, this problem shouldn't take more than a minute to fix.
> On other hand, the Windows Alpine version installs and starts up in a
> snap. No problems at all.
Here on Mandriva it's even easier -- you don't even have to locate &
download the setup executable:
- Fire up package manager
- Select Alpine
- Click Install
- All done.
Richard Rasker
--
http://www.linetec.nl
Lusotec
Ridiculous and ignorant!
Application, libraries, source code, and whatever installation is far easier
in all main GNU/Linux distributions than in is in Windows.
In particular, building software in GNU/Linux is far easier than in Windows.
All the build tools and a very large number of libraries can be found in the
repositories. Installing is trivially simple.
On Windows, getting stuff to build natively (Cygwin is not exactly native)
is a up hill battle. You have to install and configure the build tools, the
libraries, and what is to be built all by yourself. No impossible, and nor
difficult if you know what to do but certainly far more work.
Building and installing some software in GNU/Linux from source usually
involves a few simple CLI commands (e.g. ./configure ; make ; make install),
and maybe finding and installing some libraries from the repositories.
Even building cross building environments (e.g. build in GNU/Linux for
FreeBSD or Windows) is only slightly more difficult.
Regards.
Peter Köhlmann
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This about sums it. Forget anything that idiot writes. It is garbage
William Poaster
> Magnus FLATFISH Boyle had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 27-11-09 07:41:
<snip troll drivel>
Bullshit from a nymshifting troll.
> I cannot comment on the horrors of compiling, never attempted it because
> with the repositories available I never needed it.
Of course you don't need to compile it. It's just FUD.
> I hope you are happy now with Windows, but whenever you wish to get a
> secure system again, try a GNU/Linux distribution with ample
> repositories like Mandriva Linux; I suppose there are others too.
It's the Flatfish wintroll, it won't use Linux.
--
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seconds!
William Poaster
say:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:44:54 +0000, Gordon wrote:
>
>> Magnus Boyle wrote:
>>> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>
> Too poorly written to hold my interest past the first few lines, he's
> unhappy about something but isn't skilled enough to make the story
> interesting enough for me to care.
Exactly, the writer was a typical windroid. Not interested in
*actually* learning something, & wanting his hand held.
> All I saw was that he wants to convert video format and burn DVD's and he
> also wants a MAC style docking bar..
>
>
>>>
>>> "Exactly right. This is why
>>>
>>> Exactly right. This is why I went back to Windows after 2 years using
>>> Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> I get really tired of having to research every damn little thing to get
>>> done what I need to get done.
>
> That must be the problem, he doesn't seem to like learning.
As I said, a typical dumb wintroll. Heaven forbid they have to learn to do
things for *themselves*.
> I wonder how loudly he would complain if he had to bond two wifi links,
> draw a schematic diagram, or write a program in Perl.
>
> How about set up a server online with reverse SSH logins and a portscan
> detector ?
>
> What about manage a dozen Linksys WRT54GL gateways and alter their
> firewalls remotely with FWbuilder ?
>
> Linux makes the really hard and damn near impossible ... doo-able and
> achievable, but I guess the really easy, will always be too hard for some
> people.
Well they'd need a room temperature IQ, & more than one working braincell.
>> What a LOAD of BOLLOCKS.
>>
>> Applications-Ubuntu Software Centre-{choose your application}-install.
>>
>> Job done.
>
> Or even type the application name in a xterm and Ubuntu will tell you
> what to type to get it installed. That's very cool.
Oooh, that would mean the writer would have to *learn* how to use an
xterm!! (See replies above)
bbgruff
>> Here's my horror story:
>> Tried to compile Alpine because I do not have admin privileges to install
>> the Debian package (I'm using Ubuntu).
>
> This person should to ask his sysadmin to install it, or (if it's his own
> machine) ask in a forum how he can get root rights to install it himself.
Quite so, Richard.
1. If the OP *did* have admin rights, then Alpine was a couple of clicks
away, and actually easier than finding it for Windows.
2. If he did *not* have admin rights, then presumably the admin did not
*intend* for him to install Alpine? We can reasonably assume that the OP
did not *ask* the admin to install it, on the basis that he presumed that
the request would be refused? Yet note that he claims that he could and
*did* install it under Windows! - so did he have admin rights for Windows?
3. Note that he "tried ubuntu for 2 years", but then went back to Windows!
It sounds as though, although he didn't have admin rights for ubuntu, he
*did* have rights to swap it out for Windows!
Come on now - this is all a pack of lies in true flatfish style, isn't it?
High Plains Thumper
> Magnus Boyle (flatfish) nymshifted:
>
> < snip Gary Stewart idiocy > Hi flatfish. Still unable to count to
> 30? You lately nymshifted to
>
> 1.ball.willy, Abbie Diaz, achmed.jones, Aftab Singh, alan.yunick,
> Allen Cusimano, Allie Perkins, Allison Juergans, allison_hunt1969,
> Alicia Hunt, Amy Fisher, Ana Thema, andyschipowitz, Anna Banger,
> wizard.shot, wm_walsh, Wobbles, wylbur.horseman, Yanick Schmuley and
> zyklon_C. Plus many, many, many more.
Looks like it is time again, for someone to collate recent nyms from on,
i.e., Eddie Carter, Magnus Boyle and ad nauseum.
--
HPT
Richard Rasker
The "I am a Linux noob" main story is from someone who goes by the name
of "marriedman" and presumably installed at least half a dozen
distributions. The "I went back to Windows after 2 years using Ubuntu" is a
reply from some Mitch (unconfirmed) -- he's also the one lying about how
newbies are routinely called "dumbass" when they ask for help. Then there's
the "I don't know how to get root rights" horror story, submitted by yet
someone else who calls himself "batman". And last but not least, of course,
there's the person who presented all this to us COLA denizens, and bears
all the hallmarks of Flatfish. But indeed it wouldn't surprise me if all
those characters were one and the same person.
I'm almost impressed about the amount of effort spent by this person or
these persons to enrich the world with such an obviously fake story. Then
again, it doesn't take cows all that much effort to enrich the soil they're
standing on, so it may simply be a case of nature taking its course,
unsavoury as it may be.
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>
> "Exactly right. This is why
apt-get remove troll
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has to adapt once rather than needing to adapt any time a / | \
new version of the relevant shovelware is released.
Amanda Shithousedoor
news:heonp6$ll5$1...@news.albasani.net...
"Eddie Carter", "Magnus Boyle", "George Orwell", "dimethylchoride" =
HPT/Wendy/Rafael/George Hostler
I don't know what makes you so stupid, but it really works!
Mr. Majestic
<snipped>
No, Linux doesn't suck. It's this bullshit NG that sucks.
TomB
> On 2009-11-27, Magnus Boyle <popsad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>>
>> "Exactly right. This is why
>
> apt-get remove troll
# aptitude purge troll
would be my command of choice.
--
Maurice, potteke pis, potteke kak, almanak.
~ Urbanus
Amanda Shithousedoor
news:slrnhgvp4...@nomad.mishnet...
> On 2009-11-27, Magnus Boyle <popsad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>>
>> "Exactly right. This is why
>
> apt-get remove troll
>
http://eldiabloenlosdetalles.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/oomouse81.png
ray
Let me see if I have this right: Linux sucks because you're too damned
dumb to use the package manager to install software. Hmmmmmmmmm.
High Plains Thumper
> the brain of JEDIDIAH:
>> Magnus Boyle (Flatfish) wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>>>
>>> "Exactly right. This is why
>>
>> apt-get remove troll
>
> # aptitude purge troll
>
> would be my command of choice.
However, a permanent fix would be more appropriate:
sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
Comment with a "#" prefix or delete the following lines in the
moronicverse repository:
deb-src http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/troll karmic main
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/sevenmachines/troll/ubuntu karmic main
Save file and exit.
Then:
sudo apt-get update
No more trolls! :-)
--
HPT
Sinister Midget III
> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of JEDIDIAH:
>> On 2009-11-27, Magnus Boyle <popsad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>>>
>>> "Exactly right. This is why
>>
>> apt-get remove troll
>
> # aptitude purge troll
>
> would be my command of choice.
You may want to kill all of the troll processes first.
That's what we've been working here for years. But they keep spawning
new ones. And kicking up the occasional zombie.
--
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Rick
> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>
> "Exactly right. This is why
>
> Exactly right. This is why I went back to Windows after 2 years using
> Ubuntu.
>
> I get really tired of having to research every damn little thing to get
> done what I need to get done(snip)
1. Linux systems don't suck.
2. If you want a systems that acts and looks exactly like Windows maybe
you should be using Windows.
--
Rick
Snit
11/27/09 12:06 PM:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:41:42 -0500, Magnus Boyle wrote:
>
>> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>>
>> "Exactly right. This is why
>>
>> Exactly right. This is why I went back to Windows after 2 years using
>> Ubuntu.
>>
>> I get really tired of having to research every damn little thing to get
>> done what I need to get done(snip)
>
> 1. Linux systems don't suck.
I would agree - but on the desktop it still has quite a ways to go to catch
up to the competition as far as being a good option for the general user.
> 2. If you want a systems that acts and looks exactly like Windows maybe
> you should be using Windows.
What is described in the article is not just an example of things not
working the same, they clearly do not work as well... not for the general
user, clearly.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
JEDIDIAH
[deletia]
>>
>> On other hand, the Windows Alpine version installs and starts up in a
>> snap. No problems at all.
>> "
>
> Let me see if I have this right: Linux sucks because you're too damned
> dumb to use the package manager to install software. Hmmmmmmmmm.
...nevermind the package manager. You could just use the archive manager
to pull the files directly out of the relevant binary package and do
anything you like with them.
...it's interesting what you find by just poking around the GUI.
--
...of course if you are forced against your will to use Windows in |||
the day time your bound to have a lot to vent about in the evening. / | \
TomB
> What is described in the article is not just an example of things not
> working the same, they clearly do not work as well...
What is described in the article is total and utter bullshit. Nothing
more, nothing less.
I had a big smile on my face when I read the following bit:
"you have to settle for two programs to do the work of one"
Duh, that's the whole UNIX philosophy in a nutshell...
--
Hippies.They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do
is smoke pot and smell bad.
~ Eric Cartman
Snit
PM:
> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> What is described in the article is not just an example of things not
>> working the same, they clearly do not work as well...
>
> What is described in the article is total and utter bullshit. Nothing
> more, nothing less.
So counter the claims... show how the installation could have easily been
done better.
> I had a big smile on my face when I read the following bit:
>
> "you have to settle for two programs to do the work of one"
>
> Duh, that's the whole UNIX philosophy in a nutshell...
It makes sense when you are talking about the ability to pipe... but not
when you talk about desktop app. I mean, really, do you think that the
folks who make OpenOffice feel that way? The folks who make Firefox? Gimp?
There are *many* monolithic programs on desktop Linux. And I have no
problem with that.
Do not get me wrong, I think there is also a place for small single-purpose
focused GUI programs... and with a tool such as Automator you can get
(essentially) piping in a GUI. But I do not believe Linux has any such
tool.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
> TomB claimed:
>> brain of JEDIDIAH:
>>> Magnus Boyle (Flatfish) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Exactly right. This is why
>>>
>>> apt-get remove troll
>>
>> # aptitude purge troll
>>
>> would be my command of choice.
>
> You may want to kill all of the troll processes first.
>
> That's what we've been working here for years. But they keep spawning
> new ones. And kicking up the occasional zombie.
Or better yet, kill it at the source, for example:
Linux-Desktop:~$ lart -BFgk michael.glasser
Here is the man page:
[quote]
NAME
lart - Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool - use a lart to adjust
lusers' attitudes
SYNOPSIS
lart [ -use tool ] [ -bBfFgklp ] (lusername)
DESCRIPTION
lart adjusts the attitudes of those pesky, clueless people who
rely upon their admins for everything from picking their mice off of the
floor to turning on their monitors; namely, the luser(8). Running lart
with the appropriate arguments will cause the specified luser to run
away screaming in agony. Alternatively, you can make the luser buy you a
beer, after killing all of their processes.
OPTIONS
-use tool Choose your weapon. If this option is not specified,
the enviroment variable LART is used. If neither is set, a default value
will be used, which is set at compile time
-b Used to increase the size of your lart
-B The BOFH option. Removes a users files and kills all their
processes. If used in conjunction with -p this will also cause syslog to
make entries proving that (lusername) was the second gunman behind the
grassy knoll
-f Only fake luser's attitude readjustment session. Provided
primarily for testing purposes. Mutually exclusive with -B
-F fsck (lusername) as a raw device. Note that this option has
not been tested, as it is rather difficult to find volunteers
-g Graphic violence. Uses curses to monitor (lusername) during
the beating.
-k Kill. A rather permanent option, and as such is not highly
recommended. Can only be invoked once per (lusername)
-p See -B
SEE ALSO
sysadmin(1), guru(8), luser(8)
[/quote]
http://linux.about.com/od/funnymanpages/a/asrman_lart.htm
--
HPT
Sinister Midget III
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:41:42 -0500, Magnus Boyle wrote:
>> I get really tired
> Let me see if I have this right: Linux sucks because you're too damned
> dumb to use the package manager to install software. Hmmmmmmmmm.
And still can't figure it out after 2 years.
--
Why do we read left to right yet turn pages right to left?
Rick
> Rick stated in post Wd2dnVNekaeAvo3W...@supernews.com on
> 11/27/09 12:06 PM:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:41:42 -0500, Magnus Boyle wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>>>
>>> "Exactly right. This is why
>>>
>>> Exactly right. This is why I went back to Windows after 2 years using
>>> Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> I get really tired of having to research every damn little thing to
>>> get done what I need to get done(snip)
>>
>> 1. Linux systems don't suck.
>
> I would agree - but on the desktop it still has quite a ways to go to
> catch up to the competition as far as being a good option for the
> general user.
Maybe you shouldn't be using Linux systems.
>
>> 2. If you want a systems that acts and looks exactly like Windows maybe
>> you should be using Windows.
>
> What is described in the article is not just an example of things not
> working the same, they clearly do not work as well... not for the
> general user, clearly.
Maybe you shouldn't be using Linux systems.
--
Rick
AZ Nomad
he doesn't use linux. He's just another fucked up no life sheepbrained microsoft
worshipping troll.
Joel
Tell that to all the Linux-promoting both-sides-of-mouth talkers who
claim that Linux should completely replace Windows, for all people
(even as they brag about how hard they work on configuring it, of
course).
--
Joel Crump
Snit
11/27/09 7:34 PM:
> Maybe you shouldn't be using Linux systems.
Great advocacy from you.
Yes... that was sarcasm.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
7:46 PM:
The sad thing is Rick claims to be an advocate of Linux - and even he thinks
people should not use it.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Joel
That's what I keep trying to figure out. I realize that a lot of us,
advocating for any of the three major OS types, are to some extent
screwing around and blowing hot air, but at the end of the day, you
really do get that blatant double talk, regarding how easy, and yet
how excruciatingly elite, Unix/Linux is, from them.
--
Joel Crump
Snit
8:28 PM:
I advocate for - and use - Windows, OS X and Linux (mostly Ubuntu). I
generally prefer OS X for most of what I do, but in the end, each is just a
tool. I also have a brand of mechanical pencils I really like - but I could
not imagine getting worked up over someone who does not like them or someone
who prefers pens. Sure, I think my pencils work very well... and I can
point to usability reasons I prefer them and suggest them to others. But
this whole thing of putting others down for liking another OS... just
whacked as far as I can tell.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
> I advocate for - and use - Windows, OS X and Linux (mostly Ubuntu).
> I generally prefer OS X for most of what I do, but in the end, each
> is just a tool. I also have a brand of mechanical pencils I really
> like - but I could not imagine getting worked up over someone who
> does not like them or someone who prefers pens. Sure, I think my
> pencils work very well... and I can point to usability reasons I
> prefer them and suggest them to others. But this whole thing of
> putting others down for liking another OS... just whacked as far as I
> can tell.
Sure you do. As stated:
Dawg Tail: "PC advocates, Mac advocates, Linux advocates. Almost all of
them are making similar claims about Snit. When you have so many diverse
people who share a common perception where do you think the problem
lies? With Snit? Or almost everyone else? The answer doesn't require an
advanced degree to figure out." 30 Dec 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/73edac32c3ad530b
Spanky Da Measekite (Snit sock):
"<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/UbuntuCP.mov> Care to comment or do
you NOT understand the video?"
Alias: "Copying and pasting or cutting and pasting is a bit different in
Ubuntu. Note that the lamer who made this video didn't know that you can
select something and then just click the wheel on your mouse and it will
paste, something you can't do with Windows and is much quicker than the
lame Windows way in the video." 19 Apr 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/9abb006c689c9e62
--
HPT
Snit
on 11/27/09 10:14 PM:
> Snit wrote:
>
>> I advocate for - and use - Windows, OS X and Linux (mostly Ubuntu).
>> I generally prefer OS X for most of what I do, but in the end, each
>> is just a tool. I also have a brand of mechanical pencils I really
>> like - but I could not imagine getting worked up over someone who
>> does not like them or someone who prefers pens. Sure, I think my
>> pencils work very well... and I can point to usability reasons I
>> prefer them and suggest them to others. But this whole thing of
>> putting others down for liking another OS... just whacked as far as I
>> can tell.
>
> Sure you do.
Yes, I do.
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[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Hadron
You were the first to mention MS.
Why was that?
TomB
> TomB stated in post 200911272...@usenet.drumscum.be on 11/27/09 2:45
> PM:
>> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
>>> What is described in the article is not just an example of things
>>> not working the same, they clearly do not work as well...
>>
>> What is described in the article is total and utter bullshit.
>> Nothing more, nothing less.
>
> So counter the claims... show how the installation could have easily
> been done better.
I base my assessment of the article as bullshit on the writer saying
things like 'synaptec', '/usr/applications' and 'entering lots of code
in a terminal', on the fact that he's not pleased that a Windows
program doesn't work for him on GNU/Linux while you can accomplish the
same task with native software, and on how he doesn't use the repos to
install this wbar thingy.
You say 'not just an example of things not working the same'. Well,
his gripe on how this wbar thing doesn't automagically starts at boot
is a clear example on 'things not working the same'. On GNU/Linux you
need to put a little effort in making a program start automatically at
boot. On Windows (the author of the article is clearly looking at
GNU/Linux from the perspective of a Windows user) you need to put
extra effort if you *don't* want the program to automatically start at
boot (or rather login).
I like the GNU/Linux way better; the author clearly not.
>> I had a big smile on my face when I read the following bit:
>>
>> "you have to settle for two programs to do the work of one"
>>
>> Duh, that's the whole UNIX philosophy in a nutshell...
>
> It makes sense when you are talking about the ability to pipe... but
> not when you talk about desktop app. I mean, really, do you think
> that the folks who make OpenOffice feel that way? The folks who
> make Firefox? Gimp? There are *many* monolithic programs on
> desktop Linux. And I have no problem with that.
Neither do I. It's just noted the funny 'complaint'.
> Do not get me wrong, I think there is also a place for small
> single-purpose focused GUI programs... and with a tool such as
> Automator you can get (essentially) piping in a GUI. But I do not
> believe Linux has any such tool.
I have absolutely no idea.
--
To alcohol, the cause of and solution to all of life's
problems.
~ Homer J. Simpson
Peter Köhlmann
> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
< snip >
>> Do not get me wrong, I think there is also a place for small
>> single-purpose focused GUI programs... and with a tool such as
>> Automator you can get (essentially) piping in a GUI. But I do not
>> believe Linux has any such tool.
>
> I have absolutely no idea.
>
Snot Michael Glasser certainly hasn't either. "Automator" is by no means
anything near "piping".
You can't just string several unrelated GUI apps and expect that the
output of one is the input of another.
His automator shite is another attempt to twart off a thread where he had
nothing to counter to the effects of several CLI apps piping to achieve
results which are impossible to achieve that simple with GUI apps.
After all, Snot Michael Glasser is way to incompetent to use CLI. He can
at best hope to click on thingies which move, have vivid colors and make
noises. And then perhaps do something which he hopes to achieve, like
forging his "evidence"
--
Linux is for people who want to know why it works.
Mac is for people who don't want to know why it works.
DOS is for people who want to know why it does not work.
Windows is for people who don't want to know why it does not work.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> The sad thing is Rick claims to be an advocate of Linux - and even he thinks
> people should not use it.
SOME people shouldn't use it, because they're just too stubborn to accept
that different things work in different ways. I imagine there are some
people who should never be allowed behind the wheel of a manual gearboxed
car too. And some people who cook quite competently with a gas cooker but
cremate everything when trying to use an electric.
Operating systems are the same, only more so. They're more complex which
means MORE change and more cement brained "AAARGH! I can't handle it, I'm
not flexible enough!" type stuff... Of course, the people who SHOULD be
thinking "I'm not flexible enough" are the ones who blame linux for their
own shortcomings.
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TomB
> TomB wrote:
>
>> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
>< snip >
>
>>> Do not get me wrong, I think there is also a place for small
>>> single-purpose focused GUI programs... and with a tool such as
>>> Automator you can get (essentially) piping in a GUI. But I do not
>>> believe Linux has any such tool.
>>
>> I have absolutely no idea.
>>
>
> Snot Michael Glasser certainly hasn't either. "Automator" is by no means
> anything near "piping".
> You can't just string several unrelated GUI apps and expect that the
> output of one is the input of another.
That's my guess to. But I don't know this 'Automator' thing, and I
have no need to learn about it.
--
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte
Rick
I said, maybe YOU shouldn't be using it.
--
Rick
Rick
They are fairly easy to use.
And the only reason they are "elitist" is because few people use them.
Why? They are used to (insert name of OS). They want things to work
"right" (the way they are used to). They want the applications they use
on another OS to run Linux systems.
--
Rick
Chris Ahlstrom
My daughter and her husband have two broken Windows laptops: one broken via
hardware, and one broken by malware. I'll be replacing the first one with a
cheap desktop running Fedora, and will probably fix the second one by
slicking and installing Fedora.
It is telling, to me, that my daughter (and my wife!) is now okay with the
idea of Linux.
Of course, she'll have good tech support from dear ol' Dad! I'm a lot
cheaper than the Geek Squad. (Probably more knowledgable, too. Yes,
"Hadron", this time I /am/ bragging.)
--
Your talents will be recognized and suitably rewarded.
Snit
11/28/09 5:20 AM:
If you read the article, the complaint was *not* that things did not work
like another OS, the complaint was that things did not work well. How did
you miss that?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
11/28/09 5:17 AM:
I am, of course, a person. Did you think a dog was posting?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
11/28/09 3:07 AM:
> And verily, didst Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> hastily babble thusly:
>> The sad thing is Rick claims to be an advocate of Linux - and even he thinks
>> people should not use it.
>
> SOME people shouldn't use it, because they're just too stubborn to accept
> that different things work in different ways.
The complaint was not that it worked differently, but that it did not work
well. Please do not try to pretend otherwise. Now, if you think the author
missed a better way with Linux, *that* would be a reasonable thing to
note... but to just pretend it was merely "different" is disingenuous.
> I imagine there are some people who should never be allowed behind the wheel
> of a manual gearboxed car too. And some people who cook quite competently with
> a gas cooker but cremate everything when trying to use an electric.
I know I prefer gas... :)
> Operating systems are the same, only more so. They're more complex which
> means MORE change and more cement brained "AAARGH! I can't handle it, I'm
> not flexible enough!" type stuff... Of course, the people who SHOULD be
> thinking "I'm not flexible enough" are the ones who blame linux for their
> own shortcomings.
Straw man... you are pretending the complaint was that it was not the same.
Not so at all.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
AM:
> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Peter K�hlmann:
>> TomB wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>>> Do not get me wrong, I think there is also a place for small
>>>> single-purpose focused GUI programs... and with a tool such as
>>>> Automator you can get (essentially) piping in a GUI. But I do not
>>>> believe Linux has any such tool.
>>>
>>> I have absolutely no idea.
>>>
>>
>> Snot Michael Glasser certainly hasn't either. "Automator" is by no means
>> anything near "piping".
>> You can't just string several unrelated GUI apps and expect that the
>> output of one is the input of another.
>
> That's my guess to. But I don't know this 'Automator' thing, and I
> have no need to learn about it.
Your guess is wrong... with Automator, you *can* string unrelated GUI (and
CL) apps and send the output of one to the input of the next.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
William Poaster
heard to say:
> On 2009-11-27, ray <r...@zianet.com> claimed:
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:41:42 -0500, Magnus Boyle wrote:
>
>>> I get really tired
>
>> Let me see if I have this right: Linux sucks because you're too damned
>> dumb to use the package manager to install software. Hmmmmmmmmm.
>
> And still can't figure it out after 2 years.
After2 years? Now that really *is* dumb!
Try a googlegroup search for "Magnus Boyle" too. ;-)
--
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tool which wipes Windows from your PC in
seconds!
Snit
2:49 AM:
> TomB wrote:
>
>> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
> < snip >
>
>>> Do not get me wrong, I think there is also a place for small
>>> single-purpose focused GUI programs... and with a tool such as
>>> Automator you can get (essentially) piping in a GUI. But I do not
>>> believe Linux has any such tool.
>>
>> I have absolutely no idea.
>>
>
> Snot Michael Glasser certainly hasn't either. "Automator" is by no means
> anything near "piping".
> You can't just string several unrelated GUI apps and expect that the
> output of one is the input of another.
Yes, you can. That is the point of Automator - to string different GUI
(*and* CL apps if you want) and send the output of one as the input of the
next. Here:
<http://www.macosxautomation.com/automator/video/automator-001.html>
<http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/AppleApplications/Conc
eptual/AutomatorConcepts/Articles/HowAutomatorWorks.html>
-----
The Automator application is based on a loadable bundle
architecture. It loads loadable bundles called actions and
executes the code they contain in the sequence determined by
the current workflow, piping the flow of data from one action
to the next.
-----
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automator_(software)>
-----
Although Automator uses AppleScript and/or Cocoa, it requires
no expertise in these languages whatsoever. However, the
concept would be familiar to those used to Unix pipes: the
output of the last action becomes the input of the next
(though the user can optionally choose for an action to
ignore the input from the previous action).
-----
Also, read this:
<http://danielsmw.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/os-x-niceties-in-linux-a-second-l
ook/>
Once again, Peter, you prove you have no idea what you are talking about.
None. You just make things up as you go and prove you are ignorant about,
well, just about everything. When was the last time you were actually right
about something?
> His automator shite is another attempt to twart off a thread where he had
> nothing to counter to the effects of several CLI apps piping to achieve
> results which are impossible to achieve that simple with GUI apps.
You really have no idea what Automator is... LOL!
> After all, Snot Michael Glasser is way to incompetent to use CLI. He can
> at best hope to click on thingies which move, have vivid colors and make
> noises. And then perhaps do something which he hopes to achieve, like
> forging his "evidence"
You really are pathetic. And, sadly and clearly, you know it.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
TomB
>>> TomB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>
>>> < snip >
>>>
>>>>> Do not get me wrong, I think there is also a place for small
>>>>> single-purpose focused GUI programs... and with a tool such as
>>>>> Automator you can get (essentially) piping in a GUI. But I do not
>>>>> believe Linux has any such tool.
>>>>
>>>> I have absolutely no idea.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Snot Michael Glasser certainly hasn't either. "Automator" is by no means
>>> anything near "piping".
>>> You can't just string several unrelated GUI apps and expect that the
>>> output of one is the input of another.
>>
>> That's my guess to. But I don't know this 'Automator' thing, and I
>> have no need to learn about it.
>
> Your guess is wrong...
Ah, the very nature of guessing.
> with Automator, you *can* string unrelated GUI (and
> CL) apps and send the output of one to the input of the next.
All the better then. I'm trying to image something with that, but I
fail miserably. Perhaps I'll sit down behind a Mac one of these days
and take a look at it.
--
Een vrouw in haren blote, dat is een monument.
Maar ne vent in zijne pure is en bleft nen blote vent.
~ Katastroof
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> spi...@freenet.co.uk stated in post ac97u6-...@librarian.sky.com on
> 11/28/09 3:07 AM:
>
>> And verily, didst Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> hastily babble thusly:
>>> The sad thing is Rick claims to be an advocate of Linux - and even he thinks
>>> people should not use it.
>>
>> SOME people shouldn't use it, because they're just too stubborn to accept
>> that different things work in different ways.
>
> The complaint was not that it worked differently, but that it did not work
> well.
The complaint was bogus from start to finish.
The feckin URL was proof enough that nothing taken from that website should
be taken without a ton of salt!
Just look at the URL and explain to me why we should believe ANYTHING posted
to it.
Chris Ahlstrom
> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Sinister Midget III was
> heard to say:
>
>> On 2009-11-27, ray <r...@zianet.com> claimed:
>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:41:42 -0500, Magnus Boyle wrote:
>>
>>>> I get really tired
>>
>>> Let me see if I have this right: Linux sucks because you're too damned
>>> dumb to use the package manager to install software. Hmmmmmmmmm.
>>
>> And still can't figure it out after 2 years.
>
> After2 years? Now that really *is* dumb!
>
> Try a googlegroup search for "Magnus Boyle" too. ;-)
You might remember the old comic "Magnus, Robot Fighter".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus,_Robot_Fighter
We need a "Magnus, Troll Fighter".
--
Q: Why do mountain climbers rope themselves together?
A: To prevent the sensible ones from going home.
High Plains Thumper
> Snit babble thusly:
>> spike1 stated:
>>> Snit babble thusly:
>>>
>>>> The sad thing is Rick claims to be an advocate of Linux - and
>>>> even he thinks people should not use it.
>>>
>>> SOME people shouldn't use it, because they're just too stubborn
>>> to accept that different things work in different ways.
>>
>> The complaint was not that it worked differently, but that it did
>> not work well.
>
> The complaint was bogus from start to finish. The feckin URL was
> proof enough that nothing taken from that website should be taken
> without a ton of salt! Just look at the URL and explain to me why we
> should believe ANYTHING posted to it.
If you click the link at the bottom called "Programs", it opens a page
with this one and only statement:
"Linux sucks ass because its impossible to install programs to it. If
you want to put new program to linux you have to code it yourself."
http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/programs
It sounds very Flatfishy.
As far as Snit is concerned, he will defend tooth and nail even though
wrong. As far as he defending this moronic drivel? It is not much
different than the moronic drive he produces from his webwsite, forged
PDF's and graphics, strawman visual aides and all. Perhaps that is why
he feels comfortable referring to it.
If one wants to have a belly laugh, only need read this compilation of
dialogues between Snit and cc:
cc: "Did the link I posted not show your entire posting history?"
Snit: "Yes. But you never even tried to support your grade school insults."
cc: "Absolute rubbish again. If I were in a court of law testifying to
the fact that you're an idiot, my main support would be everything
you've ever done or said. I would hand the judge a complete printout of
all your posts and he/she would rule in my favor. Maybe I'd have the
laughable results of your IQ test as well."
cc: "I'm sorry you're so upset over being proven an idiot in such a
public forum. These things happen from time to time in Usenet. You've
acknowledged that you're an idiot and a liar, and for that you should be
applauded. But at the same time, it's obvious that you need to get some
smarts somehow. Going through life dumb as shit is no way to live. I'm
here to help. I'll be posting some videos to YouTube shortly. The
tentative title: 'Snit's An Idiot, But We Can Change That.'"
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d2d8aa9b2b69c896
and
Snit: "Ah, if you were judge and jury you would rule against me. Wow.
Man, that is powerful."
cc: "Nice self-nuke. I explicitly said that I was not the judge, and
implicitly stated that I was not the jury. An impartial jury of your
peers, armed with all your Usenet posts, would have no option but to
convict you of idiocy. Should we put it to the test?"
Snit: "If you were to use logic and rationality as the standard, and not
just your made up BS where you are judge and jury, you would clearly fail."
cc: "Self-nuke again. Please point to where I said I was judge and jury.
You cannot. Absolute fail."
Snit: "See: you are a moron. You have proved it. You argue *against*
logic and rationality. Repeatedly."
cc: "Look, I understand that you don't understand logic and reason,
because you're a moron. Which is exactly what I proved with logic and
reason. But I was arguing with an idiot, so it's not like it was hard."
cc: "I'm sorry you're so upset over being proven an idiot in such a
public forum."
Snit: "You are calling me a name without a shred of evidence. That is
not 'proof' of anything other than your own immaturity."
cc: "I gave you evidence. You can't understand the evidence. Which is
even more evidence. Every time you type a sentence, you reinforce my point."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/647c8553e97fffc3
and
Snit: "And, yes, I know the facts will go over your head. You are an
insane moron... and you have nothing of value to say. Here: you will
prove it with your response and I will merely note you did so. 100%
predictable."
cc: "What facts? The fact that you don't know what a hypothetical
situation is? The fact that you can't answer any questions? The fact
that you continue to run away when faced with simple questions? I am
100% predictable to you because you simply cannot understand what has
been placed in front of you. It's all just a jumble of words to your
pea-sized brain, and therefore it always looks the same."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f6ce4429806e9de6
--
HPT
Snit
AM:
Needing to download a separate program to configure one you already have...
how do you defend that? And having to script something just to add it to
startup? A dock being behind the desktop by default.
Now, if you think there are things he missed... great. But as described,
Linux does not shine.
>>> I had a big smile on my face when I read the following bit:
>>>
>>> "you have to settle for two programs to do the work of one"
>>>
>>> Duh, that's the whole UNIX philosophy in a nutshell...
>>
>> It makes sense when you are talking about the ability to pipe... but
>> not when you talk about desktop app. I mean, really, do you think
>> that the folks who make OpenOffice feel that way? The folks who
>> make Firefox? Gimp? There are *many* monolithic programs on
>> desktop Linux. And I have no problem with that.
>
> Neither do I. It's just noted the funny 'complaint'.
Keep in mind his goal was to simply convert and burn a DVD. I can see these
being separate programs - but also can see them being the same.
>> Do not get me wrong, I think there is also a place for small
>> single-purpose focused GUI programs... and with a tool such as
>> Automator you can get (essentially) piping in a GUI. But I do not
>> believe Linux has any such tool.
>
> I have absolutely no idea.
I have asked and looked - as far as I know it does not and, really cannot.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
11/28/09 8:18 AM:
> As far as Snit is concerned, he will defend tooth and nail even though
> wrong.
Yet you will not even pretend to have an example. I, on the other hand, can
easily point to where you are doing exactly as you accuse me of - look at
your pathetic reaction to not being able to follow simple steps you were
shown in a video - you accused me of forgery, you lash out, you lie, you
scream and yell.. all because you were wrong.
How pathetic.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
11/28/09 7:36 AM:
> And verily, didst Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> hastily babble thusly:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk stated in post ac97u6-...@librarian.sky.com on
>> 11/28/09 3:07 AM:
>>
>>> And verily, didst Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> hastily babble thusly:
>>>> The sad thing is Rick claims to be an advocate of Linux - and even he
>>>> thinks
>>>> people should not use it.
>>>
>>> SOME people shouldn't use it, because they're just too stubborn to accept
>>> that different things work in different ways.
>>
>> The complaint was not that it worked differently, but that it did not work
>> well.
>
> The complaint was bogus from start to finish.
> The feckin URL was proof enough that nothing taken from that website should
> be taken without a ton of salt!
>
> Just look at the URL and explain to me why we should believe ANYTHING posted
> to it.
>
Sadly you have not been able to counter a word that was on the site. Why
not?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Snit
AM:
> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> TomB stated in post 200911281...@usenet.drumscum.be on 11/28/09 4:00
>> AM:
>>
>>> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Peter K�hlmann:
>>>> TomB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>
>>>> < snip >
>>>>
>>>>>> Do not get me wrong, I think there is also a place for small
>>>>>> single-purpose focused GUI programs... and with a tool such as
>>>>>> Automator you can get (essentially) piping in a GUI. But I do not
>>>>>> believe Linux has any such tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have absolutely no idea.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Snot Michael Glasser certainly hasn't either. "Automator" is by no means
>>>> anything near "piping".
>>>> You can't just string several unrelated GUI apps and expect that the
>>>> output of one is the input of another.
>>>
>>> That's my guess to. But I don't know this 'Automator' thing, and I
>>> have no need to learn about it.
>>
>> Your guess is wrong...
>
> Ah, the very nature of guessing.
No problem.
>> with Automator, you *can* string unrelated GUI (and
>> CL) apps and send the output of one to the input of the next.
>
> All the better then. I'm trying to image something with that, but I
> fail miserably. Perhaps I'll sit down behind a Mac one of these days
> and take a look at it.
It certainly has its limitations, but it really is a rather amazing program.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> not?
Because I'm not foolish enough to click on it?
Why on earth would I want to visit a bogus site like
http://www.whylinuxsux.org? Or anything utterly biased against things I
like?
High Plains Thumper
> Sinister Midget III was heard:
>> ray claimed:
>>> Magnus Boyle wrote:
>>>
>>>> I get really tired
>>>
>>> Let me see if I have this right: Linux sucks because you're too
>>> damned dumb to use the package manager to install software.
>>> Hmmmmmmmmm.
>>
>> And still can't figure it out after 2 years.
>
> After2 years? Now that really *is* dumb! Try a googlegroup search for
> "Magnus Boyle" too. ;-)
By webwide Googling, here is a likely tip that it is Flatfish:
[quote]
PRODUCTION GROUP
Stage responsible: Alf Johnny Sørensen and Hans Christian Meyer Sollien
Light design: Anders Busch
Sound design: Petter Fosse
Light: Magnus Boyle
Costumes (Åge and soloists): Nina Winther
Projection: Trond Nilsen
Pyrotechnique: Joachim "Jokke" Johansen and Eivind Hermann
[/quote]
http://www.theshowmustgoon.no/en/pages/theband/
Regards a band and stage setup.
Hence re-enters Flatfish on the COLA stage [sic].
--
HPT
Snit
11/28/09 8:38 AM:
> And verily, didst Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> hastily babble thusly:
>> Sadly you have not been able to counter a word that was on the site. Why
>> not?
>
> Because I'm not foolish enough to click on it?
If you are not going to even read an article, do not pretend to know what it
says. Seriously, why would you even enter the thread pretending to have
knowledge when you are now admitting you have no idea what you are talking
about?
> Why on earth would I want to visit a bogus site like
> http://www.whylinuxsux.org? Or anything utterly biased against things I
> like?
I do not care if you visit it or not, but if you are not going to, do not
say things such as:
The complaint was bogus from start to finish.
You simply have no idea (as you have admitted).
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
High Plains Thumper
> Snit babble thusly:
>
>> Sadly you have not been able to counter a word that was on the
>> site. Why not?
>
> Because I'm not foolish enough to click on it? Why on earth would I
> want to visit a bogus site like http://www.whylinuxsux.org? Or
> anything utterly biased against things I like?
Biased like:
Snit: "And, yes, I know the facts will go over your head. You are an
insane moron... and you have nothing of value to say. Here: you will
prove it with your response and I will merely note you did so. 100%
predictable."
cc: "What facts? The fact that you don't know what a hypothetical
situation is? The fact that you can't answer any questions? The fact
that you continue to run away when faced with simple questions? I am
100% predictable to you because you simply cannot understand what has
been placed in front of you. It's all just a jumble of words to your
pea-sized brain, and therefore it always looks the same." 15 Nov 2009
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f6ce4429806e9de6
--
HPT
Snit
on 11/28/09 8:46 AM:
It is a shame to see you completely unable to stop yourself from what you
call a "luser strategy". Really... I feel bad for you.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Amanda Shithousedoor
news:C7367F45.56348%use...@gallopinginsanity.com...
forged it, BUHAAAAH!
I've looked into Kohltards posting "contributions" on Usenet, this guy is a
total moron!
Some amazing Peter Kohlman claims:
* A swap partition is more efficient than a contiguous swap file on
Linux. (The kernel tracks swap space by contiguous regions of disk. It
doesn't care if they come from a file or a dedicated partition.).
* A screen shot of an antialiased image will not show the antialiasing.
(Trivially disproved by experiment).
* MD5 collisions are not a security risk.
* 64-bit pointers do not take up more memory than 32-bit pointers.
* KDE apps will not work on Cygwin.
* Posting your WPA key to a public forum is not a security risk for your
wireless network.
* Peter claimed that the answer given by Excel for multiplying 29513736
by 92842033 shows Excel is slop ware. Unfortunately, Peter didn't
bother to check with any other spreadsheets, as all versions of
OpenOffice *agree* with Excel. Peter was too dumb to realize that many
spreadsheets give results to a set number of significant figures.
* LCD displays cannot look good at anything other than their native
resolution.
* "it's okay to dereference a NULL pointer"
* Anyone chosing Gnome as DE is already disqualified. Gnome is hideous,
technically (for programmers) and optically.
Amanda Shithousedoor
to have a crush on flatfish.
I bet he has wet dreams about flatfish! ;-)
Snit
200911281628...@smtp.cobalt.loc on 11/28/09 9:28 AM:
...
Or he will just ignore it... never admitting he was, clearly and
unambiguously, not only wrong about how claims but wrong to spew the insults
he did. He is angry and ignorant. The two often go hand in hand.
> I've looked into Kohltards posting "contributions" on Usenet, this guy is a
> total moron!
> Some amazing Peter Kohlman claims:
> * A swap partition is more efficient than a contiguous swap file on
> Linux. (The kernel tracks swap space by contiguous regions of disk. It
> doesn't care if they come from a file or a dedicated partition.).
> * A screen shot of an antialiased image will not show the antialiasing.
> (Trivially disproved by experiment).
I remember that one. That was quite funny.
> * MD5 collisions are not a security risk.
> * 64-bit pointers do not take up more memory than 32-bit pointers.
> * KDE apps will not work on Cygwin.
> * Posting your WPA key to a public forum is not a security risk for your
> wireless network.
> * Peter claimed that the answer given by Excel for multiplying 29513736
> by 92842033 shows Excel is slop ware. Unfortunately, Peter didn't
> bother to check with any other spreadsheets, as all versions of
> OpenOffice *agree* with Excel. Peter was too dumb to realize that many
> spreadsheets give results to a set number of significant figures.
I recall that one as well.
> * LCD displays cannot look good at anything other than their native
> resolution.
Well, they do tend to look *better* in their native resolution.
> * "it's okay to dereference a NULL pointer"
> * Anyone chosing Gnome as DE is already disqualified. Gnome is hideous,
> technically (for programmers) and optically.
How about:
Peter K�hlmann:
The apps with "Quit" do *not* exit, they continue to run
in the background
Or, when I showed Peter that copy and paste on Ubuntu acts inconsistently
from one app to anther, he replied with:
You both show just *again* your incredible cluelessness. That
is *standard* X behaviour, you cretins. That Snot Michael
Glasser knows *nothing* about that is normal, he is the worst
"IT teacher" of all time. He knows nothing usefull about
computing.
That is right... Peter insists X is designed to be inconsistent from app to
app... it is *designed* to not work in a way the user can predict.
Designed. Like this was a goal of the development team - to make it *not*
work well.
And, a lovely self-nuke by Peter - after whining about how wrong he thought
I was to note inconsistencies in desktop Linux:
Peter K�hlmann:
-----
Why would a user install apps from different DEs if he does
not need to?
-----
That is right... Peter made it clear he knows the inconsistencies are a good
thing to avoid.
On and on and on... Peter is amazingly ignorant.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
William Poaster
> And verily, didst Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> hastily babble
> thusly:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk stated in post ac97u6-...@librarian.sky.com on
>> 11/28/09 3:07 AM:
>>
>>> And verily, didst Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> hastily babble
>>> thusly:
>>>> The sad thing is Rick claims to be an advocate of Linux - and even he
>>>> thinks people should not use it.
>>>
>>> SOME people shouldn't use it, because they're just too stubborn to
>>> accept that different things work in different ways.
>>
>> The complaint was not that it worked differently, but that it did not
>> work well.
>
> The complaint was bogus from start to finish. The feckin URL was proof
> enough that nothing taken from that website should be taken without a ton
> of salt!
> Just look at the URL and explain to me why we should believe ANYTHING
> posted to it.
If it's Michael Snit "Prescott Computer Guy" Glasser's
gallopinginsanity.com website, I wouldn't.
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>>>> not working the same, they clearly do not work as well...
>>>
>>> What is described in the article is total and utter bullshit.
>>> Nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>> So counter the claims... show how the installation could have easily
>> been done better.
>
> I base my assessment of the article as bullshit on the writer saying
> things like 'synaptec', '/usr/applications' and 'entering lots of code
> in a terminal', on the fact that he's not pleased that a Windows
> program doesn't work for him on GNU/Linux while you can accomplish the
...he was also singing the praises of an application that costs $50.
Otherwise, it will embedd a nice crippleware "watermark" in all of
your output. I'm not sure it was worth $50.
[deletia]
I am not sure it would have been any less complex to get full use
out of either. It had this sort of tiled dialog box that looked like
it had as many options as mencoder or transcode.
I could see how Windows n00bs could be scared off by stuff like that
and go running off into the night and to the Apple store.
--
It's a great paradox. |||
/ | \
Mac users aren't supposed to be capable of organizing their
own files with the Finder or browse the storage on a digital
camera yet they can be expected to track down their own QT
extensions with no real help from Apple.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> spi...@freenet.co.uk stated in post qns7u6-...@librarian.sky.com on
> 11/28/09 8:38 AM:
>
>> And verily, didst Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> hastily babble thusly:
>>> Sadly you have not been able to counter a word that was on the site. Why
>>> not?
>>
>> Because I'm not foolish enough to click on it?
>
> If you are not going to even read an article
I read what was posted here. Which is all that's required.
No more needed to be read. Utter bollocks from start to finish as I said.
Any problems he DID have he deliberatly insinuated about without actually
being specific in order to fud fud fud.
--
| spi...@freenet.co.uk | |
| Andrew Halliwell BSc | "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't |
| in | suck is probably the day they start making |
| Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
Sinister Midget III
> Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Sinister Midget III was
> heard to say:
>
>> On 2009-11-27, ray <r...@zianet.com> claimed:
>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:41:42 -0500, Magnus Boyle wrote:
>>
>>>> I get really tired
>>
>>> Let me see if I have this right: Linux sucks because you're too damned
>>> dumb to use the package manager to install software. Hmmmmmmmmm.
>>
>> And still can't figure it out after 2 years.
>
> After2 years? Now that really *is* dumb!
>
> Try a googlegroup search for "Magnus Boyle" too. ;-)
Nothing of substance there. Sorta like "Magnus" in that regard.
--
Multitasking: Reading in the bathroom
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Snit
11/28/09 10:14 AM:
> And verily, didst Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> hastily babble thusly:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk stated in post qns7u6-...@librarian.sky.com on
>> 11/28/09 8:38 AM:
>>
>>> And verily, didst Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> hastily babble thusly:
>>>> Sadly you have not been able to counter a word that was on the site. Why
>>>> not?
>>>
>>> Because I'm not foolish enough to click on it?
>>
>> If you are not going to even read an article
>
> I read what was posted here. Which is all that's required.
> No more needed to be read. Utter bollocks from start to finish as I said.
> Any problems he DID have he deliberatly insinuated about without actually
> being specific in order to fud fud fud.
You claim to read what is posted here (in COLA) but you cannot even make it
to the end of my first sentence without snipping!
Why not show a bit more confidence in yourself? Why not look at the points
made and, if you can, refute them? Why not even try to advocate Linux?
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Gordon
> TomB stated in post 200911272...@usenet.drumscum.be on 11/27/09 2:45
> PM:
>
>> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>> What is described in the article is not just an example of things not
>>> working the same, they clearly do not work as well...
>> What is described in the article is total and utter bullshit. Nothing
>> more, nothing less.
>
> So counter the claims... show how the installation could have easily been
> done better.
Of Alpine? As in the (misleading) article? Easy. Fire up Synaptic
Package Manager from Administration, (in Ubuntu - other distros are
similar and it's very funny that the writer failed to mention what
Distro he was using), type "Alpine" in the search box, click on the item
"Alpine" that appears and click "Install".
How much easier do you want it?
Snit
AM:
> Snit wrote:
>> TomB stated in post 200911272...@usenet.drumscum.be on 11/27/09 2:45
>> PM:
>>
>>> On 2009-11-27, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>> What is described in the article is not just an example of things not
>>>> working the same, they clearly do not work as well...
>>> What is described in the article is total and utter bullshit. Nothing
>>> more, nothing less.
>>
>> So counter the claims... show how the installation could have easily been
>> done better.
>
> Of Alpine?
-----
I first looked in synaptec. I think there was one there, but
it seemed the configuration would be a nightmare so I Googled
for other options... and I found one that looked perfect -
WBAR. They even had a "deb" file on the google code page so I
figured I would give it a go.
-----
> As in the (misleading) article? Easy. Fire up Synaptic
> Package Manager from Administration, (in Ubuntu - other distros are
> similar and it's very funny that the writer failed to mention what
> Distro he was using),
-----
I have finally settled on Xubuntu, i think."
-----
> type "Alpine" in the search box, click on the item "Alpine" that appears and
> click "Install". How much easier do you want it?
That would not work to install WBAR. On Xubuntu. :)
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
TomB
> Needing to download a separate program to configure one you already
> have... how do you defend that?
Unix philosophy. Toolbox approach.
> And having to script something just to add it to startup?
Blatant lie in the article. Use the method your window manager or
desktop environment offers. I'd just add the program to my .xsession
file. Gnome users can use the 'session' dialog. KDE users drop a link
to the application in .kde/startup (or somethink like that - haven't
used KDE in a while).
> A dock being behind the desktop by default.
Indeed. wbar was originally developed to be used in fluxbox. Fluxbox
has no desktop (it lives directly on the root window of X). Makes
perfect sense. To accomodate desktop environments such as KDE and
Gnome the -above-desk option was added.
> Now, if you think there are things he missed... great. But as
> described, Linux does not shine.
Of course not. What do you expect from a site called
whylinuxsucks.org?
> Keep in mind his goal was to simply convert and burn a DVD. I can
> see these being separate programs - but also can see them being the
> same.
Again the toolbox approach shining through. Use a convertor to
convert, and a burner to burn. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a
program that does both (perhaps there even is - I don't know), but I
certainly wouldn't use it.
--
There are only 10 types of people in this world: those who understand
binary, and those who don't...
Gordon
Sorry, I find I was talking about the moron who replied to the article
saying that he couldn't install the deb package for Alpine he'd
downloaded when in fact the package exists in the Ubuntu Repositories
and doesn't need a deb package to be downloaded from anywhere else.
chrisv
> Exactly
*plonk*
Snit
AM:
> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> Needing to download a separate program to configure one you already
>> have... how do you defend that?
>
> Unix philosophy. Toolbox approach.
Do you think you should have to use a separate program to set switches on,
say, mv?
>> And having to script something just to add it to startup?
>
> Blatant lie in the article. Use the method your window manager or
> desktop environment offers. I'd just add the program to my .xsession
> file. Gnome users can use the 'session' dialog. KDE users drop a link
> to the application in .kde/startup (or somethink like that - haven't
> used KDE in a while).
AHA! So you can correct misinformation in the article. I am curious why it
has taken so long.
>> A dock being behind the desktop by default.
>
> Indeed. wbar was originally developed to be used in fluxbox. Fluxbox
> has no desktop (it lives directly on the root window of X). Makes
> perfect sense. To accomodate desktop environments such as KDE and
> Gnome the -above-desk option was added.
It makes *sense* to you to have a desktop dock be *behind* the desktop. Um,
OK.
>> Now, if you think there are things he missed... great. But as
>> described, Linux does not shine.
>
> Of course not. What do you expect from a site called
> whylinuxsucks.org?
It was a great chance for people to shine with advocacy and refute the
claims. Sadly, "advocacy" seems a dead art.
>> Keep in mind his goal was to simply convert and burn a DVD. I can
>> see these being separate programs - but also can see them being the
>> same.
>
> Again the toolbox approach shining through. Use a convertor to
> convert, and a burner to burn. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a
> program that does both (perhaps there even is - I don't know), but I
> certainly wouldn't use it.
Why not?
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Snit
AM:
No problem - we all make mistakes.
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chrisv
>> apt-get remove troll
>
> # aptitude purge troll
>
> would be my command of choice.
Should not be "feed troll", that's for sure...
AZ Nomad
>AZ Nomad <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> writes:
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:34:48 -0600, Rick <no...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>>On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:42:30 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>>> Rick stated in post Wd2dnVNekaeAvo3W...@supernews.com on
>>>> 11/27/09 12:06 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:41:42 -0500, Magnus Boyle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.whylinuxsucks.org/biggest-problem-application-installation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Exactly right. This is why
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly right. This is why I went back to Windows after 2 years using
>>>>>> Ubuntu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get really tired of having to research every damn little thing to
>>>>>> get done what I need to get done(snip)
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Linux systems don't suck.
>>>>
>>>> I would agree - but on the desktop it still has quite a ways to go to
>>>> catch up to the competition as far as being a good option for the
>>>> general user.
>>
>>>Maybe you shouldn't be using Linux systems.
>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. If you want a systems that acts and looks exactly like Windows maybe
>>>>> you should be using Windows.
>>>>
>>>> What is described in the article is not just an example of things not
>>>> working the same, they clearly do not work as well... not for the
>>>> general user, clearly.
>>
>>>Maybe you shouldn't be using Linux systems.
>>
>> he doesn't use linux. He's just another fucked up no life sheepbrained microsoft
>> worshipping troll.
>You were the first to mention MS.
>Why was that?
Because it is obvious that you and your fuckwad troll buddies'
insane hatred of linux is because you are microsoft advocates.
TomB
> TomB stated in post 200911281...@usenet.drumscum.be on 11/28/09 10:53
> AM:
>> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>
>>> Needing to download a separate program to configure one you already
>>> have... how do you defend that?
>>
>> Unix philosophy. Toolbox approach.
>
> Do you think you should have to use a separate program to set switches on,
> say, mv?
Funny that you mention this, because that's exactly what's done. 'man
alias' for more details.
>>> Keep in mind his goal was to simply convert and burn a DVD. I can
>>> see these being separate programs - but also can see them being the
>>> same.
>>
>> Again the toolbox approach shining through. Use a convertor to
>> convert, and a burner to burn. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a
>> program that does both (perhaps there even is - I don't know), but I
>> certainly wouldn't use it.
>
> Why not?
It's just not how I like my programs. I have an application to burn
DVDs; I'll just use that one to burn whatever the convertor poops out.
--
The pleasure we obtain from music comes from counting, but counting
unconsciously. Music is nothing but unconscious arithmetic.
~ Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz
Chris Ahlstrom
I'd be happier with "Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie".
--
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Snit
AM:
> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> TomB stated in post 200911281...@usenet.drumscum.be on 11/28/09 10:53
>> AM:
>>> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>>>> Needing to download a separate program to configure one you already
>>>> have... how do you defend that?
>>>
>>> Unix philosophy. Toolbox approach.
>>
>> Do you think you should have to use a separate program to set switches on,
>> say, mv?
>
> Funny that you mention this, because that's exactly what's done. 'man
> alias' for more details.
>
>>>> Keep in mind his goal was to simply convert and burn a DVD. I can
>>>> see these being separate programs - but also can see them being the
>>>> same.
>>>
>>> Again the toolbox approach shining through. Use a convertor to
>>> convert, and a burner to burn. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a
>>> program that does both (perhaps there even is - I don't know), but I
>>> certainly wouldn't use it.
>>
>> Why not?
>
> It's just not how I like my programs. I have an application to burn
> DVDs; I'll just use that one to burn whatever the convertor poops out.
No problem with it just being your personal preference.
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Chris Ahlstrom
>>> Again the toolbox approach shining through. Use a convertor to
>>> convert, and a burner to burn. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a
>>> program that does both (perhaps there even is - I don't know), but I
>>> certainly wouldn't use it.
>>
>> Why not?
>
> It's just not how I like my programs. I have an application to burn
> DVDs; I'll just use that one to burn whatever the convertor poops out.
I have a short script to make ISO files.
I have three scripts (also short) to burn CD, DVD, or DVD-DL depending on
the size of the ISO: 0 < 700 Mb < 4.4 Gb < 8.4 Gb.
The CD script uses wodim, and the DVD scripts use growisofs.
Come to think of it, is there a CLI burning app that handles all of these
seamlessly? Never bothered to look!
--
There is always one thing to remember: writers are always selling somebody out.
-- Joan Didion, "Slouching Towards Bethlehem"
TomB
> TomB pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>>>> Again the toolbox approach shining through. Use a convertor to
>>>> convert, and a burner to burn. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a
>>>> program that does both (perhaps there even is - I don't know), but I
>>>> certainly wouldn't use it.
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>
>> It's just not how I like my programs. I have an application to burn
>> DVDs; I'll just use that one to burn whatever the convertor poops out.
>
> I have a short script to make ISO files.
>
> I have three scripts (also short) to burn CD, DVD, or DVD-DL depending on
> the size of the ISO: 0 < 700 Mb < 4.4 Gb < 8.4 Gb.
>
> The CD script uses wodim, and the DVD scripts use growisofs.
>
> Come to think of it, is there a CLI burning app that handles all of these
> seamlessly? Never bothered to look!
Seems like we are much alike in this regard. I also have some scripts
hanging around in ~/bin based on wodim and growisofs :-)
--
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~ Karl Marx
Gregory Shearman
>
>
> Blatant lie in the article. Use the method your window manager or
> desktop environment offers. I'd just add the program to my .xsession
> file. Gnome users can use the 'session' dialog. KDE users drop a link
> to the application in .kde/startup (or somethink like that - haven't
> used KDE in a while).
KDE 4 uses system settings->Autostart to add programs. No scripts
required.
Why do they persist with these lies?
>> Keep in mind his goal was to simply convert and burn a DVD. I can
>> see these being separate programs - but also can see them being the
>> same.
>
> Again the toolbox approach shining through. Use a convertor to
> convert, and a burner to burn. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a
> program that does both (perhaps there even is - I don't know), but I
> certainly wouldn't use it.
If I need to produce a dvd I use Mythtv.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Snit
11/28/09 1:02 PM:
> On 2009-11-28, TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>
>>> And having to script something just to add it to startup?
>>
>> Blatant lie in the article. Use the method your window manager or
>> desktop environment offers. I'd just add the program to my .xsession
>> file. Gnome users can use the 'session' dialog. KDE users drop a link
>> to the application in .kde/startup (or somethink like that - haven't
>> used KDE in a while).
>
> KDE 4 uses system settings->Autostart to add programs. No scripts
> required.
>
> Why do they persist with these lies?
My question was why the misinformation was not countered. So far nobody has
a good answer for that.
>>> Keep in mind his goal was to simply convert and burn a DVD. I can
>>> see these being separate programs - but also can see them being the
>>> same.
>>
>> Again the toolbox approach shining through. Use a convertor to
>> convert, and a burner to burn. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a
>> program that does both (perhaps there even is - I don't know), but I
>> certainly wouldn't use it.
>
> If I need to produce a dvd I use Mythtv.
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TomB
> Gregory Shearman stated in post slrnhh30f2.b0...@netscape.net on
> 11/28/09 1:02 PM:
>
>> On 2009-11-28, TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>
>>>> And having to script something just to add it to startup?
>>>
>>> Blatant lie in the article. Use the method your window manager or
>>> desktop environment offers. I'd just add the program to my .xsession
>>> file. Gnome users can use the 'session' dialog. KDE users drop a link
>>> to the application in .kde/startup (or somethink like that - haven't
>>> used KDE in a while).
>>
>> KDE 4 uses system settings->Autostart to add programs. No scripts
>> required.
>>
>> Why do they persist with these lies?
>
> My question was why the misinformation was not countered. So far nobody has
> a good answer for that.
Eh? Your question was how I would 'defend' the need to script
something to make it start automatically. And then I countered the
FUD.
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telnet: could not resolve mordor/telnet: One does not simply telnet
into mordor!
Snit
PM:
> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>> Gregory Shearman stated in post slrnhh30f2.b0...@netscape.net on
>> 11/28/09 1:02 PM:
>>
>>> On 2009-11-28, TomB <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2009-11-28, the following emerged from the brain of Snit:
>>>>
>>>>> And having to script something just to add it to startup?
>>>>
>>>> Blatant lie in the article. Use the method your window manager or
>>>> desktop environment offers. I'd just add the program to my .xsession
>>>> file. Gnome users can use the 'session' dialog. KDE users drop a link
>>>> to the application in .kde/startup (or somethink like that - haven't
>>>> used KDE in a while).
>>>
>>> KDE 4 uses system settings->Autostart to add programs. No scripts
>>> required.
>>>
>>> Why do they persist with these lies?
>>
>> My question was why the misinformation was not countered. So far nobody has
>> a good answer for that.
>
> Eh? Your question was how I would 'defend' the need to script
> something to make it start automatically. And then I countered the
> FUD.
You have *now* done so. Sure. The question was why did advocates have to
be prodded to advocate?
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TomB
Pretty dynamic question you have there!
--
Son, a woman is like a beer. They smell good, they look good,
you'd step over your own mother just to get one! But you
can't stop at one. You wanna drink another woman!
~ Homer J. Simpson
Snit
Gregory Shearman
The question as to why the FUD wasn't countered? Because most have this
Troll in their bozo bin.
Snit
11/28/09 2:38 PM:
"Advocates" responded without countering any of the claims. Just seems odd
that an "advocate" would need to be prodded to advocate.
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Peter Köhlmann
Also it is always a good idea to let these cretins walk into it some
deeper. They simply look even more ridiculous with their incompetence and
non-existance knowledge about the subject
But yes, Snot Michael Glasser simply deserves no answer at all. Best to
killfile that POS for good
--
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend: and inside a dog,
it's too dark to read." -- Groucho Marx
Snit
3:45 PM:
>>> Pretty dynamic question you have there!
>>
>> The question as to why the FUD wasn't countered? Because most have this
>> Troll in their bozo bin.
>>
>
> Also it is always a good idea to let these cretins walk into it some
> deeper. They simply look even more ridiculous with their incompetence and
> non-existance knowledge about the subject
>
> But yes, Snot Michael Glasser simply deserves no answer at all. Best to
> killfile that POS for good
You sure get angry when you cannot show you have *any* knowledge of Linux.
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Sinister Midget III
> chrisv pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> TomB wrote:
>>
>>>> apt-get remove troll
>>>
>>> # aptitude purge troll
>>>
>>> would be my command of choice.
>>
>> Should not be "feed troll", that's for sure...
>
> I'd be happier with "Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie".
Not me. I'm thinking the Dead Sea Trolls.
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