Vista SLOPWARE
Don Zeigler
see what all the fuss was about. Verdict: CRAP.
Spasmodic playback of Flash videos on Youtube and other sites - works great
some of the time, jerky as hell other times, even when the browser is the
only thing running (other than anti-malware apps, of course)
Explorer "forgets" my folder settings about half the time - default view set
for medium icons - sometimes it shows those, other times, large icons, other
times the detailed view.
It takes Explorer an eternity to draw the icons when viewing a folder with
more than a few dozen items in it. While it's "thinking" the computer is
essentially unresponsive and I have to sit and wait for it do finish what
it's doing.
IE8 is a bloated pig that runs slower than molasses and likes to crash often
for no apparent reason.
Updates - even though I told Windows to merely notify me and not
auotmatically install them, it still does. I can come back to the machine
and it's rebooted itself to finish updating.
Streaming audio or video files from my Iomega network drive? Forget it. They
run in fits and starts. No, it's not the drive or the network connection
itself, because things work fine from Linux. For that matter, they work fine
in Vista *if* the file is on the machine's hard drive.
Overall performance is sluggish as hell. It's like moving in slow motion, no
matter how simple the task.
And this crap is being forced on people? Bah.
chrisv
"With every release, Windows has been better than before and Vista is
no different." - Rat
"Now Vista is cleaning up its act and its pretty much game over for
Linux." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
amicus_curious
"Don Zeigler" <sit...@this.computer> wrote in message
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Well, your luck is about to change! In October Windows 7 will be release
and everyone will be able to use it instead. So if you are one of the
disappointed folk who could not adapt to the changes in Vista, Windows 7
will give you another chance.
Richard Rasker
>
> "Don Zeigler" <sit...@this.computer> wrote in message
> news:1fu6629oeovhk$.dlg@this.domain.or.that...
>> As everyone knows, I installed Vista on one of my PCs a while back just
>> to see what all the fuss was about. Verdict: CRAP.
...
>> And this crap is being forced on people? Bah.
>
> Well, your luck is about to change! In October Windows 7 will be release
> and everyone will be able to use it instead.
Great news! So current Vista-victims get a free copy of W7?
> So if you are one of the disappointed folk who could not adapt to the
> changes in Vista, Windows 7 will give you another chance.
Richard Rasker
--
http://www.linetec.nl
Abeel van der Kloothuysen
news:1fu6629oeovhk$.dlg@this.domain.or.that...
> As everyone knows, I installed Vista on one of my PCs a while back just to
> see what all the fuss was about. Verdict: CRAP.
>
As everyone knows, your the idiot here.
Nobody gives a flying fuck about your "verdicts", baldy boi!
chrisv
> rat:
>>
>> Well, your luck is about to change! In October Windows 7 will be release
>> and everyone will be able to use it instead.
>
> Great news! So current Vista-victims get a free copy of W7?
Nah, they get to pay for Visduh, then pay some more to "upgrade"
to XPee, then pay some more to get W7.
AZ Nomad
>Well, your luck is about to change! In October Windows 7 will be release
>and everyone will be able to use it instead. So if you are one of the
>disappointed folk who could not adapt to the changes in Vista, Windows 7
>will give you another chance.
And then it will be out in the open that just like every microsoft release since
MSDOS 2.0, windows W7 will require at least twice the resources as its
predecessor.
Make sure you have a quad core and least 8 gig of ram or expect W7 to
run like shit.
DFS
That's not what the lying idiot said back then:
"OK - it ran decently enough as a VM, but I really didn't see much tangible
benefit to keeping Vista around."
RonB
The old barber shop/hat shop routine. "Yeah, it's a lousy haircut. Wanna'
buy a lousy hat?
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
RonB
Even non WinTroll Windows users agree with the verdict. It's only the
WinTroll FUDdite cranks here who actually try to use the crap. That might
be why they're so bitter.
RonB
It's a given. Isn't it weird now, how all the Windows FUDdites have
suddenly realized, "Yeah, Vista is a piece of crap that requires way too
much computer power to even run."
We could have all told them that a long time ago.
amicus_curious
"Richard Rasker" <spam...@linetec.nl> wrote in message
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> amicus_curious wrote:
>
>>
>> "Don Zeigler" <sit...@this.computer> wrote in message
>> news:1fu6629oeovhk$.dlg@this.domain.or.that...
>>> As everyone knows, I installed Vista on one of my PCs a while back just
>>> to see what all the fuss was about. Verdict: CRAP.
> ...
>>> And this crap is being forced on people? Bah.
>>
>> Well, your luck is about to change! In October Windows 7 will be release
>> and everyone will be able to use it instead.
>
> Great news! So current Vista-victims get a free copy of W7?
>
people wanting it, it can be sold for a price.
amicus_curious
"AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
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What a silly fellow you are! Of course it may need advanced resources, that
is the natural result of offering advanced performance.
A jet airplane uses more fuel per passenger mile than did a Ford trimotor,
too.
Peter Köhlmann
Why would an OS with "advanced performance" need *more* resources instead
of less? Not much in the case of "advanced performance" then, me thinks
> A jet airplane uses more fuel per passenger mile than did a Ford
> trimotor, too.
So airplanes is just another thing you know absolutely nothing about
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AZ Nomad
>amicus_curious wrote:
>>
>> "AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
>> news:slrnh358rm.2...@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:13:09 -0400, amicus_curious <AC...@sti.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>Well, your luck is about to change! In October Windows 7 will be
>>>>release
>>>>and everyone will be able to use it instead. So if you are one of the
>>>>disappointed folk who could not adapt to the changes in Vista, Windows
>>>>7 will give you another chance.
>>>
>>> And then it will be out in the open that just like every microsoft
>>> release since
>>> MSDOS 2.0, windows W7 will require at least twice the resources as its
>>> predecessor.
>>>
>>> Make sure you have a quad core and least 8 gig of ram or expect W7 to
>>> run like shit.
>>
>> What a silly fellow you are! Of course it may need advanced resources,
>> that is the natural result of offering advanced performance.
>Why would an OS with "advanced performance" need *more* resources instead
>of less? Not much in the case of "advanced performance" then, me thinks
This is microsoft we're talking about. You're expected to replace
all your hardware every two years just to enjoy the same or worse
performance.
>> A jet airplane uses more fuel per passenger mile than did a Ford
>> trimotor, too.
Sheesh, what an idiotic statement.
>So airplanes is just another thing you know absolutely nothing about
Trimotor:
Capacity: 8 passengers
Fuel consumption: 45 US gal/h at 90mph
Range: 550 mi
To go 3500 miles, add 5 stops, each consuming an additional 45 gal.
airbus A320-200:
Capacity: 180 passengers
Fuel Capacity: 7,840 US gal
Range 3500 miles
keep in mind that the range before empty is probably 4000 miles.
Trimotor:
1935 gallons ( 3500 / 90 = 38 hours * 45g/h = 1710
plus 5*45 for additional takeoffs
for 8 passengers, 241 gallons per passenger
Airbus
7840 gallons for 180 passengers, 43 gallons
Yeah, that trimotor is the way to go.
Of course, if it were microsoft, the newest version would require
a hundred thousand gallons per passenger.
Andrew Halliwell
We did!
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Gregory Shearman
Or... as is more usual... it will come pre-installed on *all* new PCs...
and the cycle will continue.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
DFS
Because almost nobody will buy the systems with Linux pre-installed.
Even Linux "advocates" are shameless freeloaders.
No Linux purchasers = no Linux money for development = lowest quality
developers in the world = worst apps and games = no Linux purchasers...
amicus_curious
"Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Win 7, presumably for an existing machine.
amicus_curious
"Peter K�hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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> amicus_curious wrote:
>
>>
>> "AZ Nomad" <azno...@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
>> news:slrnh358rm.2...@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
>>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:13:09 -0400, amicus_curious <AC...@sti.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>Well, your luck is about to change! In October Windows 7 will be
>>>>release
>>>>and everyone will be able to use it instead. So if you are one of the
>>>>disappointed folk who could not adapt to the changes in Vista, Windows
>>>>7 will give you another chance.
>>>
>>> And then it will be out in the open that just like every microsoft
>>> release since
>>> MSDOS 2.0, windows W7 will require at least twice the resources as its
>>> predecessor.
>>>
>>> Make sure you have a quad core and least 8 gig of ram or expect W7 to
>>> run like shit.
>>
>> What a silly fellow you are! Of course it may need advanced resources,
>> that is the natural result of offering advanced performance.
>
> Why would an OS with "advanced performance" need *more* resources instead
> of less? Not much in the case of "advanced performance" then, me thinks
>
>> A jet airplane uses more fuel per passenger mile than did a Ford
>> trimotor, too.
>
> So airplanes is just another thing you know absolutely nothing about
Apparently English is not your native language. The plural "airplanes"
requires a plural verb. You should use "are" in place of "is". Furthermore
the sentence object must also be plural, so "thing" must change to "things"
and the singular "another" needs to be changed to "other", i.e "airplanes
are just other things...". That is still a clumsy construction, but it is
your choice.
As to the imputed truth of the matter, are you suggesting that jet airplanes
use less fuel than the Ford Trimotor per passenger mile flown? Or are you
suggesting that the jet airplane's performance was not advanced by
comparison?
Gregory Shearman
Well, I guess they're out of luck if they want it for free. Microsoft
previously gave Vista owners an update to XP (The "back to the future"
upgrade), but that's not really working out for Microsoft. They aren't
making much money on the deal.
Now they'll force OEMs to install W7 onto all new computers and
*especially* onto laptops and "netbooks".
Abeel van der Kloothuysen
news:h0uem4$pr$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
Vista is running here for 11 month now, 24X7, no problems.
11 month ago there was a general power failure in my area.
The reboots during these 11 month were automatic update / SP related.
Before that it ran for 1 year, without any problems.
Do you have Vista running?
amicus_curious
life. People don't really care so much about their OS unless it prevents
them from using some old familiar application that they have become
accustomed to using or else does not allow them to use some new application
that they have become eager to try. As long as it doesn't get in the way,
the OS is not so important.
Windows proliferates from machine to new machine because of the
compatibility issue and the new application availability issue. Linux
suffers in that it effectively provides neither base need. Vista suffered
in not being so friendly to the user's previous application investments.
The technology and feature set of the OS is not as big of an issue as is
often claimed.
Don Zeigler
> And then it will be out in the open that just like every microsoft release since
> MSDOS 2.0, windows W7 will require at least twice the resources as its
> predecessor.
>
> Make sure you have a quad core and least 8 gig of ram or expect W7 to
> run like shit.
That's what is so irritating - the machine in question meets MS's
recommendations in order to have the "full" Vista experience. But even with
Aero Glass turned off it still runs like shit. And let's not forget the many
irritating bugs.
--
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Regards,
DZ (Owner/proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC)
Hadron
The only one trying to "use" such crap was you. Your interminable tales
of how you spent your whole working day fighting trojans and viruses is
indicative of your incompetence, not that of others.
--
In view of all the deadly computer viruses that have been spreading
lately, Weekend Update would like to remind you: when you link up to
another computer, you’re linking up to every computer that that
computer has ever linked up to. — Dennis Miller
DFS
> RonB <ronb02...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:42:58 +0200, Abeel van der Kloothuysen wrote:
>>
>>> "Don Zeigler" <sit...@this.computer> schreef in bericht
>>> news:1fu6629oeovhk$.dlg@this.domain.or.that...
>>>> As everyone knows, I installed Vista on one of my PCs a while back
>>>> just to see what all the fuss was about. Verdict: CRAP.
>>>>
>>> <snipped freetards rant>
>>> As everyone knows, your the idiot here. Nobody gives a flying fuck
>>> about your "verdicts", baldy boi!
>>
>> Even non WinTroll Windows users agree with the verdict. It's only the
>> WinTroll FUDdite cranks here who actually try to use the crap. That
>> might be why they're so bitter.
>
> The only one trying to "use" such crap was you. Your interminable
> tales of how you spent your whole working day fighting trojans and
> viruses is indicative of your incompetence, not that of others.
Lying idiot and massive hypocrite ]H]omer recently claimed "When I used to
run Windows, I was lucky if I got a couple of hours without some kind of
fatal issue requiring a reboot..."
Hadron
Yup. But not even the groups creepiest suck up, Liarsuck, sucks up to
Homer.
AZ Nomad
>AZ Nomad took another hit and mumbled:
>> And then it will be out in the open that just like every microsoft release since
>> MSDOS 2.0, windows W7 will require at least twice the resources as its
>> predecessor.
>>
>> Make sure you have a quad core and least 8 gig of ram or expect W7 to
>> run like shit.
>That's what is so irritating - the machine in question meets MS's
>recommendations in order to have the "full" Vista experience. But even with
>Aero Glass turned off it still runs like shit. And let's not forget the many
>irritating bugs.
What is truly amazing with vista is how trivial operations like
opening the desktop properties take longer than opening openoffice
on a linux system. first and Nth time.
AZ Nomad
>"Peter K?hlmann" <peter-k...@t-online.de> wrote in message
<babble snipped>
>As to the imputed truth of the matter, are you suggesting that jet airplanes
>use less fuel than the Ford Trimotor per passenger mile flown? Or are you
Of course, you idiot! About 1/5th as much fuel per passenger mile.
Sermo Malifer
> As everyone knows, I installed Vista on one of my PCs a while back just
> to see what all the fuss was about. Verdict: CRAP.
>
> Spasmodic playback of Flash videos on Youtube and other sites - works
> great some of the time, jerky as hell other times, even when the browser
> is the only thing running (other than anti-malware apps, of course)
>
> Explorer "forgets" my folder settings about half the time - default view
> set for medium icons - sometimes it shows those, other times, large
> icons, other times the detailed view.
>
> It takes Explorer an eternity to draw the icons when viewing a folder
> with more than a few dozen items in it. While it's "thinking" the
> computer is essentially unresponsive and I have to sit and wait for it
> do finish what it's doing.
>
> IE8 is a bloated pig that runs slower than molasses and likes to crash
> often for no apparent reason.
>
> Updates - even though I told Windows to merely notify me and not
> auotmatically install them, it still does. I can come back to the
> machine and it's rebooted itself to finish updating.
>
> Streaming audio or video files from my Iomega network drive? Forget it.
> They run in fits and starts. No, it's not the drive or the network
> connection itself, because things work fine from Linux. For that matter,
> they work fine in Vista *if* the file is on the machine's hard drive.
>
> Overall performance is sluggish as hell. It's like moving in slow
> motion, no matter how simple the task.
>
> And this crap is being forced on people? Bah.
I run Vista at home, and it's nowhere as bad as you describe. I suspect
either your computer doesn't have the resources for Vista, or it's got
some sort of hardware problem.
I run it on a 2.0 GHz dual core Intel PC, with 2 GB of RAM, to which I've
just added a 1 GB nVidia 1GB 9400GT card, but I didn't have your video
problems before I did.
Sermo Malifer
> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>> On 2009-06-12, amicus_curious <AC...@sti.net> wrote:
>
>
>>> Oh, I doubt that it will be free. If something is good enough to have
>>> people wanting it, it can be sold for a price.
>>
>> Or... as is more usual... it will come pre-installed on *all* new
>> PCs... and the cycle will continue.
>
> Because almost nobody will buy the systems with Linux pre-installed.
Why do you suppose HP and Dell are selling systems with Linux pre-
installed?
> Even Linux "advocates" are shameless freeloaders.
Do you send M$ extra money to pay for new IE versions, and for Windows
updates? You wouldn't want to be a freeloader, would you?
> No Linux purchasers = no Linux money for development = lowest quality
> developers in the world = worst apps and games = no Linux purchasers...
You'll be happy to learn I recently bought a Linux Eee PC900. I also
have a Slackware subscription.
DFS
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:51:12 -0400, Don Zeigler wrote:
>
>> Overall performance is sluggish as hell. It's like moving in slow
>> motion, no matter how simple the task.
That's not what you said previously: "OK - it ran decently enough as a VM,
but I really didn't see much tangible benefit to keeping Vista around."
> I run Vista at home,
heh! Good ol' Sermo.
You can always count on a Linux "advocate", can't you?
> and it's nowhere as bad as you describe. I
Of course it's not. Zeigler is a bumbling liar.
Until Windows 7 is released, Windows Vista is the best choice for personal
computing. It runs tons of apps, it runs the best apps, the best games,
supports buku peripherals, and runs *well* on low-end x86 hardware (P4,
3.0ghz, or older Athlon X2). It's a memory hog, so you'll want 2gb of RAM.
> suspect either your computer doesn't have the resources for Vista, or
> it's got some sort of hardware problem.
His soft brain is the problem.
> I run it on a 2.0 GHz dual core Intel PC, with 2 GB of RAM, to which
> I've just added a 1 GB nVidia 1GB 9400GT card, but I didn't have your
> video problems before I did.
I installed Vista Ultimate on a P3,800mhz,512RAM,32mb GeForce2 system and it
ran acceptably well.
Don Zeigler
> I run Vista at home, and it's nowhere as bad as you describe. I suspect
> either your computer doesn't have the resources for Vista, or it's got
> some sort of hardware problem.
>
> I run it on a 2.0 GHz dual core Intel PC, with 2 GB of RAM, to which I've
> just added a 1 GB nVidia 1GB 9400GT card, but I didn't have your video
> problems before I did.
This machine has a 1.6 Ghz Athlon processor and 3 GB RAM with a GeForce FX
5200 graphics card. No hardware problems.
--
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DFS
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:38:46 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>> On 2009-06-12, amicus_curious <AC...@sti.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Oh, I doubt that it will be free. If something is good enough to
>>>> have people wanting it, it can be sold for a price.
>>>
>>> Or... as is more usual... it will come pre-installed on *all* new
>>> PCs... and the cycle will continue.
>>
>> Because almost nobody will buy the systems with Linux pre-installed.
>
> Why do you suppose HP and Dell are selling systems with Linux pre-
> installed?
Because almost nobody will buy the systems with Linux pre-installed.
>> Even Linux "advocates" are shameless freeloaders.
>
> Do you send M$ extra money to pay for new IE versions, and for Windows
> updates? You wouldn't want to be a freeloader, would you?
Freeloading is taking advantage of the generosity of others. That's what
the Linux "community" does.
* I paid Microsoft (several $thousands) for licenses to use their software
* I donated $20 to Mozilla.org after I decided to stick with Firefox.
* I've tried to donate money to Innotek for VirtualBox, but never got a
response from them (I won't give Sun any more money - I paid them $85 for
Solaris-Intel that wouldn't install).
* every Linux distro I have installed - and 20 I don't - was bought from
FrozenTech or via Linux Format mag.
>> No Linux purchasers = no Linux money for development = lowest quality
>> developers in the world = worst apps and games = no Linux
>> purchasers...
>
> You'll be happy to learn I recently bought a Linux Eee PC900. I also
> have a Slackware subscription.
Congrats: now get the 67% of Linux users who pay nothing and contribute
nothing (no bug reports, no code) to join you.
Also, Slackware is a pain in the ass.
Also, why didn't you mention you paid for and run Microsoft Windows Vista?
You Linux "advocate" you...