OT: Vista surprise
Tattoo Vampire
computer systems - some he sells, others he gives to people who can't afford
to buy their own. Anyhow, he told me he had a nice system with 2 GB RAM and
a 250 GB hard drive and I offered to buy it for my son, whose current
machine is about 8 years old.
He shipped it to me last week. I knew it had Vista on it, and that I would
need to format the drive and install another OS since he was going to put
his copy of Vista on a new machine.
Upon boot I was a little disappointed to see it only had an 850 Mhz.
processor. This thing ran Vista? Well, surprise, surprise. With "only" 2 GB
RAM and an 850 Mhz processor, this thing ran the full blown Aero Glass
interface like a champ. It wasn't a speed demon, but it was definitely
responsive and perfectly usable.
Doing some checking, this machine rated only a 1.5 on the Vista experience
scale or whatever the heck it's called. Odd that it would rank so low yet
perform so well.
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chrisv
Odd that a machine with a 850 would support 2G of RAM. IIRC, machines
of that (P3) era typically only supported 512M.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
Odd that most of Tattoo's signature sig is missing, too.
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Clogwog
news:1adu1hsi...@this.domain.or.that...
Windows Vista minimum supported system requirements
Home Basic / Home Premium / Business / Ultimate
800 MHz processor and
512 MB of system memory
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2 GB RAM does the trick!
20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
Support for Super VGA graphics
CD-ROM drive
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/get/system-requirements.aspx
Sinister Midget
> After takin' a swig o' grog, chrisv belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>> Odd that a machine with a 850 would support 2G of RAM. IIRC, machines
>> of that (P3) era typically only supported 512M.
>
> Odd that most of Tattoo's signature sig is missing, too.
Odd that the user agent is 40turd, and it floated to the top from
motzerella.
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Rex Ballard
> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitt...@this.computer> schreef in berichtnews:1adu1hsi...@this.domain.or.that...
CPU speed isn't all that critical these days. Most users only used
about 5-20% of their CPU speed if they have a Core 2 duo. The best
place to spend your money is on the RAM. XP will recognize 3 gig, and
Vista 32 will see 3 gig. If you get Vista 64 and you install a patch,
you can bump up to 4 gig (you'll need it).
For Vampire:
Were you running Microsoft Office, Visio 2007, Project, and Windows
Media player - all at the same time?
After playing with Vista 32 on a Core 2 duo for about a week, I
decided that I was better off installing Linux and then installing
Windows XP as a VMWare application. I used VMWare Converter to create
the image, and then installed XP (which had a hard time running on a
newer machine).
Typically, I run Visio and FireFox on Windows VM, and Office when I
need it. I mount a Linux directory in my home directory (/home/
<user> "D:" drive an make that mount piont the "my documents" drive.
XP is still reasonably good performing, even when I only allocate 1 GB
of my 4 Gig of RAM. The Linux is Red Hat 64 so it has no trouble
playing with the 4 Gig.
It makes a pretty nice laptop system, and gives me the best of all
worlds.
Vista is too memory hungry.
> 20 GB hard drive with at least 15 GB of available space
That's for just the Vista installation. Adding Office, a few 3rd
party applications, and a few media files and google search desktop
will pretty much blow a hole in a 100 Gb drive.
> Support for Super VGA graphics
> CD-ROM drivehttp://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/get/system-requirement...
Yes.
And Windows NT 4.0 would run with 16 Mb RAM (and BSOD every 30
minutes, but it would boot).
And Windows 2000 would run with 32 Mb RAM (really you needed minimum
64 Mb, and it ran nicely with 256 Mb).
XP would also boot with 128 Mb of RAM, but not much more (notepad
would work). But if you had 512 Meg or 1 gig, it ran MUCH better, and
you could run some good Apps.
These days, when I run XP in "Native" mode, with my typical array of
around 20 app windows, the system burns about 1.5 Gb of RAM and
bounces between 10 and 50 % CPU utilization on a dual-core pentium.
Linux without Windows runs nicely even on a "Sub-mini" - using about
300 Mb of it's 512 Mb when running Open Office (4-5 apps), Media
player, and FireFox - concurrently.
Tom Shelton
Wrong on all accounts, Rex. A basic summary is that 32-bit windows (xp and
vista) both support 4GB of physical ram. The issues of how much a user
process is allowed, is a completely different topic. The default for Vista and
XP is 2GB virtual address space for the user processes, and 2GB virtual
address space for the os. Note, I said virtual address space - which is not
the same thing. If your interested in further information, google /3GB and
/PAE.
I believe physical memory limitations on Vista-64 vary by edition (I'm not
sure about xp-64, since I've never looked that one up). I pretty sure it goes
like this: Home Basic - 8GB, Home Premium - 16GB, all other editions 128GB.
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Tom Shelton
Clogwog
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Sorry Rex about the looooooooooong clarification, read it and then come
back:
What Are the Differences between 64-Bit and 32-Bit Processors? To understand
why 64-bit operating systems are a logical step in the evolution of the PC,
consider this background information. Often the maximum size of the physical
memory on a computer is less than the amount needed for all running
programs. This is especially true when multiple processes or applications
execute simultaneously. The solution for this is that programs store some of
their data on the hard drive and copy it back and forth to physical memory
as needed. This solution is often referred to as "virtual memory," in which
the computer simulates having large amounts of contiguous physical memory. A
paging table is responsible for moving segments of virtual memory into
physical memory as necessary. If the amount of memory demanded by all
running processes exceeds the available physical memory (RAM), the paging
table stores low-priority processes on the hard drive in the page file,
which is much slower than RAM. When the user needs these processes, the page
table remaps them into physical memory, where the user can access them at
high speeds (see Figure 1). The total number of addresses available in the
virtual memory - the total amount of data the computer can keep in its
working area for applications - is determined by the width of the registers
on the computer processor. Until recently, almost all consumer PCs used
32-bit processors. The bit size of a processor refers to the size of the
address space it can reference. A 32-bit processor can reference 2^32 bytes,
or 4 GB of memory. These 32-bit processors were standard at a time when 4 GB
was thought to be more than enough memory space for software applications on
Windows. When a process, such as running a program, is created on an x86
Windows computer with a 32-bit processor, the operating system allocates its
4 GB of virtual memory, irrespective of the actual physical memory installed
on a system. Half of that allocated memory is user-accessible memory, while
the other half is for kernel processes such as drivers. Modern computing
systems increasingly confront the 4 GB ceiling thanks to memory-intensive
applications and the need to store multiple processes in memory
simultaneously.In 2003, AMD released the first widely accepted 64-bit
processor aimed at consumers, the Athlon 64, and coined AMD64 as the name
for the new instruction set. Microsoft refers to the instruction set as x64,
which parallels the widely accepted x86 nomenclature used for the
instructions that run on most 32-bit processors. Per preferred Microsoft
naming conventions, Windows Vista x64 Edition refers to the 64-bit version
of Windows Vista in this article.Processors capable of referencing larger
address spaces provide the opportunity to use more physical memory than ever
before, potentially reducing the overhead spent moving processes in and out
of physical memory. The 64-bit processors are theoretically capable of
referencing 2^64 locations in memory, or 16 exabytes, which is more than 4
billion times the number of memory locations 32-bit processors can
reference. However, all 64-bit versions of Microsoft operating systems
currently impose a 16 TB limit on address space and allow no more than 128
GB of physical memory due to the impracticality of having 16 TB of RAM.
Processes created on Windows Vista x64 Edition are allotted 8 TB in virtual
memory for user processes and 8 TB for kernel processes to create a virtual
memory of 16 TB.To summarize, the ability of Windows Vista x64 Edition to
add address more memory space than previous versions of Windows helps
minimize the time spent swapping processes in and out of memory by storing
more of them in RAM. Misconceptions about Windows Vista x64 Edition
Operating systems such as Windows Vista x64 Edition are not automatically
faster than their 32-bit counterparts. In some cases, they may even perform
slower because of the larger pointers as well unrelated OS overhead.
Overall, an application's performance depends on what it is used for and how
it is implemented. Emulated applications running within the Windows on
Windows 64 layer (discussed in more detail later in this article) will not
be able to address any more memory than they could on a 32-bit system.
Drivers supported by Windows Vista x64 Edition will not necessarily be
supported by the 64-bit edition of Windows XP. National Instruments will
support Windows Vista x64 Edition with driver releases and software updates,
but there are no plans for NI to support Windows XP x64 Edition.
Hardware Requirements for the Different Versions of Windows Vista Windows
Vista requires significantly more processing power than previous versions of
Microsoft Windows. The enhanced Windows user interface promises to be one of
the biggest consumer attractions to the new operating system, but it places
considerably greater demands on a system's processor, graphics card, and
memory. Both editions of Windows Vista share these performance requirements
and offer compatible modes for use on slower systems; however, to install
Windows Vista x64 Edition, you must have a 64-bit processor. Conversely, the
x86 edition of Windows Vista can run on a 64-bit processor as a 32-bit
operating system. Some motherboards that work with 64-bit processors retain
the limitations of 32-bit systems, so to exploit the advantages offered by
the newer architecture, it is important to ensure the motherboard has a wide
enough address bus. Motherboards with wider address and data buses currently
still impose artificial limitations on the amount of memory due to the
impracticality otherwise. Windows Vista x64 Edition allows up to 128 GB of
memory - far more than most current motherboards permit - but you should
consider the expandability of applications built using the new architecture
as the technology improves.
Potential Benefits of Windows Vista x64 Edition The transition to the 64-bit
architecture is overwhelmingly driven by the limitations of the x86
architecture in terms of addressing memory. Applications running on Windows
Vista x64 Edition should theoretically experience improved performance
because of the larger quantity of available memory, even if the application
is running within the WoW64 layer. Much like the advantage offered by
increasing physical memory in a 32-bit system, the larger memory space on
Windows Vista x64 Edition allows more processes to actively reside in the
system RAM simultaneously. This change potentially eliminates or reduces
time spent loading and switching between processes, a condition that can
lead to "thrashing" when all the processor's efforts are spent merely
loading and switching between threads. To reap the benefits of a 64-bit
operating system such as Windows Vista x64 Edition, you should invest in a
large amount of RAM (4 GB or more) and a compatible motherboard. For Windows
Vista x64 Edition, Microsoft also requires a digital signature on all
drivers. By requiring new, signed drivers, Microsoft aims to reduce failures
and improve stability by shining a spotlight on vendor responsibility for
bugs. With Windows Vista x86, administrators can install unsigned drivers,
but Microsoft continues to discourage their use. All nonlegacy National
Instruments drivers will be digitally signed and available for both the
32-bit and 64-bit editions of Windows Vista after Microsoft releases the OS.
Potential Drawbacks to Windows Vista x64 Edition Windows XP was available
only as a 32-bit operating system for 32-bit processors until 2005, when
Microsoft released a 64-bit edition. This version of Windows XP did not see
widespread adoption due to a lack of available software and hardware
drivers. Vendors were hesitant to invest in a platform that seemed more
novel than practical for consumers at the time, which led to compatibility
issues with common devices such as sound and graphics cards. Given the
increasing number of 64-bit processors, Windows Vista x64 Edition is
unlikely to suffer the same lack of support. However, it will take some time
for vendors to release 64-bit software and hardware drivers. A potential
drawback stems from the possibility that some hardware vendors may not
release Windows Vista x64 Edition-compatible versions of drivers quickly, or
they may not offer signed drivers, which Windows Vista x64 Edition requires.
Many 32-bit applications will not be updated for Windows Vista x64 Edition;
however, most 32-bit software will still function because of a Microsoft
emulation layer. This emulation layer, known as Windows on Windows 64 or
WoW64, enables 32-bit programs to run as though on a 32-bit version of
Windows by translating instructions passing in and out of 32-bit
applications into 64-bit instructions. Emulated programs act as though they
are running on an x86 computer and operate within the 2 GB of virtual memory
that a 32-bit version of Windows allocates to every process. However,
despite Wow64, 32-bit programs on Windows Vista x64 Edition cannot take
advantage of the larger 64-bit address spaces or wider 64-bit registers on
64-bit processors. To work with Windows Vista x64 Edition, you must invest
in large quantities of RAM. The overhead associated with Windows Vista is
larger than that of prior operating systems such as Windows XP, so slower
systems are likely to see performance decreases. Evaluating an Engineering
System on Windows Vista Windows Vista represents an upgrade from Windows XP
for consumer PC users in many ways, and the 64-bit edition in particular is
drawing significant attention. The 64-bit processors have enormous potential
that modern PCs are not fully exploiting, which means there is significant
room for growth during the next few years. However, Windows Vista x64
Edition was not designed explicitly for scientists and engineers, and not
all scientific and engineering applications will immediately benefit from
migrating to a Windows Vista x64 Edition PC. The following types of
applications could see performance benefits on Windows Vista x64 Edition,
provided that both 64-bit application software and drivers are available:
Applications for creating digital content in computer-aided design and
digital video editing Applications that require mathematical precision and
floating-point performance Applications that involve large, high-performance
databases Vision acquisition and analysis applications with large amounts of
data moving directly into memory at rapid rates If your application does not
fall into one of these categories, you should carefully consider the
necessity of using Windows Vista x64 Edition. Not every application stands
to benefit from the x64 architecture, and it will take time for Windows
Vista x64 Edition to gain widespread adoption.
Summary Windows Vista x64 Edition represents the first mainstream 64-bit
operating system from Microsoft in terms of general availability and support
from third-party add-on vendors. Because of this, moving from a 32-bit
operating system such as Windows XP to a 64-bit operating system such as
Windows Vista x64 Edition merits serious consideration in many cases.
However, the feasibility of successfully making the jump to Windows Vista
x64 Edition depends largely on your application and its requirements. For
some, Windows Vista x64 Edition offers much needed performance improvement,
while for others, it could needlessly complicate applications designed to
operate on x86 platforms or even have a negative effect on performance.
More Information on Windows Vista: Read other white papers in this series at
ni.com/vista.
Tattoo Vampire
> Were you running Microsoft Office, Visio 2007, Project, and Windows
> Media player - all at the same time?
I had IE, Photoshop CS3, Thunderbird and Word open.
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[tv]
...Being alive: Concentrating on goals, not limitations
Tattoo Vampire
> Odd that the user agent is 40turd, and it floated to the top from
> motzerella.
That's me. I run Dialog under Wine.
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Regards,
[tv]
...Remember, to a computer 1 + 1 = 10.
Tattoo Vampire
> Odd that a machine with a 850 would support 2G of RAM. IIRC, machines
> of that (P3) era typically only supported 512M.
Beats me. It's an AMD Athlon processor, btw.
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Sinister Midget wrote:
>
>> Odd that the user agent is 40turd, and it floated to the top from
>> motzerella.
>
> That's me. I run Dialog under Wine.
Prove it. Say something nice about Hadron.
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Sinister Midget
> Sinister Midget wrote:
>
>> Odd that the user agent is 40turd, and it floated to the top from
>> motzerella.
>
> That's me. I run Dialog under Wine.
I never noticed. But it goes aways toward explaining how motzarella got
through the filters. There are some very rare exceptions that are
allowed.
--
Dogs crawl under fences. Software crawls under Windows.
Tattoo Vampire
> Prove it. Say something nice about Hadron.
That someday he'll be dead, and the sooner the better?
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Regards,
[tv]
...Computers make very fast, very efficient mistakes.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Prove it. Say something nice about Hadron.
>
> That someday he'll be dead, and the sooner the better?
I was thinking more along the lines of:
Captain Ahab: Speak not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun
if it insulted me. Look ye, Starbuck, all visible objects are but as
pasteboard masks. Some inscrutable yet reasoning thing puts forth the
molding of their features. The white penguin tasks me; he heaps me. Yet
he is but a mask. 'Tis the thing behind the mask I chiefly hate; the
malignant thing that has plagued mankind since time began; the thing
that maws and mutilates our race, not killing us outright but letting
us live on, with half a heart and half a lung.
Captain Ahab: By heavens man, we are turned round and round in this
world, like yonder windlass, and fate is the handspike.
Starbuck, first mate: It's late; you should turn in.
Captain Ahab: Sleep? That bed is a coffin, and those are winding
sheets. I do not sleep, I die.
Captain Ahab: From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I
spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned penguin.
--
NAPOLEON: What shall we do with this soldier, Giuseppe? Everything he
says is wrong.
GIUSEPPE: Make him a general, Excellency, and then everything he says
will be right.
-- G. B. Shaw, "The Man of Destiny"
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Sinister Midget wrote:
>
>> Odd that the user agent is 40turd, and it floated to the top from
>> motzerella.
>
> That's me. I run Dialog under Wine.
So do I.
Do you have problems with Dialog disappear, or switching desktops when you
go to another virtual desktop?
I'm running Ubuntu but this happened under the new Mandriva 2009 as well.
Any special settings for Wine?
Tia!
--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
Please Visit www.linsux.org
Sinister Midget
>
>> Prove it. Say something nice about Hadron.
>
> That someday he'll be dead, and the sooner the better?
Ah! It really *is* you!
--
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the standard.
Tattoo Vampire
> Ah! It really *is* you!
:-P
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[tv]
...Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots.
Tattoo Vampire
> So do I.
> Do you have problems with Dialog disappear, or switching desktops when you
> go to another virtual desktop?
>
> I'm running Ubuntu but this happened under the new Mandriva 2009 as well.
>
> Any special settings for Wine?
>
> Tia!
Once in a while the toolbar vanishes, but that's the extent of the problems
I've had with it.
I like Knode but I can't stand having to rescore groups constantly because
the first application of the score file didn't "stick". (this is an old bug)
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> So do I.
>> Do you have problems with Dialog disappear, or switching desktops when you
>> go to another virtual desktop?
>>
>> I'm running Ubuntu but this happened under the new Mandriva 2009 as well.
>>
>> Any special settings for Wine?
>>
>> Tia!
>
> Once in a while the toolbar vanishes, but that's the extent of the problems
> I've had with it.
>
> I like Knode but I can't stand having to rescore groups constantly because
> the first application of the score file didn't "stick". (this is an old bug)
I've never had the toolbar problem, but if I minimize 40tude, I can;t bring
it back again unless I right click on the lower taskbar and move it to
another desktop.
I had similar problems under Mandriva so I know it's a Wine problem because
Mandriva uses KDE and Ubuntu gnome.
The latest version of Wine made it better because in the past it would
disappear and nothing would bring it back.
I've learned not to minimize the window and then it works fine.
Thanks for the report back!
chrisv
>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> Say something nice about Hadron.
>
>That someday he'll be dead, and the sooner the better?
Oh happy day... 8)
--
"Please give up pretending you're an advocate." - "True Linux
advocate" Hadron Quark
chrisv
> Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> claimed:
>>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> Prove it. Say something nice about Hadron.
>>
>> That someday he'll be dead, and the sooner the better?
>
>Ah! It really *is* you!
I don't know... I think we should ask for a hair picture*, to be
sure.
*EXIF data intact, of course. 8)
William Poaster
> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> Say something nice about Hadron.
>>
>>That someday he'll be dead, and the sooner the better?
>
> Oh happy day... 8)
That was funny!
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He thought he was God, but she didn't.
Sinister Midget
Then he'll have nice things to say about SN0T, too.
--
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Tattoo Vampire
> Then he'll have nice things to say about SN0T, too.
Michael Glasser is a nice guy.
Now, where's he been lately?
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...Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time, but don't
point to their crotch when they ask where the bathroom is?
Sinister Midget
> Sinister Midget wrote:
>
>> Then he'll have nice things to say about SN0T, too.
>
> Michael Glasser is a nice guy.
>
> Now, where's he been lately?
He's fairly well filtered out here, so I might notice he's missing too
quickly.
I sure hope he wasn't so humiliated here that he went back to
"teaching" again. None of his "students" did anything to us (that I
know about) to deserve that.
--
A computer without Windows is like ice cream without ketchup.
ml2mst
> Sinister Midget wrote:
>
>> Then he'll have nice things to say about SN0T, too.
>
> Michael Glasser is a nice guy.
According to his comments on the Palin slut whore idiot, I agree with
that ;-)
> Now, where's he been lately?
Nymshifting, using Mozilla Thunderbird on Windows IIRC.
So sad, the dude lives in one of the most beautiful countries on the
planet (Prescott == Arizona).
Beside that, he's pretty left wing and progressive IIRC. So I guess in
/real life/ he's a pretty nice person.
Unfortunately he trolls this group, nymshifts frequently and is friends
with Hadrone.
Sad, sad, sad :-(
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DFS
> According to his comments on the Palin slut whore idiot, I agree with
> that ;-)
It must bother you that Sarah Palin wouldn't let you marry - in our
country - the next degenerate who "fucks your brains out".
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> ...Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time, but don't
> point to their crotch when they ask where the bathroom is?
I'm going to try that sometime heh heh
--
If a listener nods his head when you're explaining your program, wake him up.
chrisv
> ...Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time, but don't
> point to their crotch when they ask where the bathroom is?
Because "going to the bathroom" is only the secondary usage of those
parts, duh.
8)
Sinister Midget
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tattoo Vampire belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> ...Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time, but don't
>> point to their crotch when they ask where the bathroom is?
>
> I'm going to try that sometime heh heh
Better make sure some words accompany the gesture. You wouldn't want to
just point in the presence of an undercover cop.
--
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A: None. They're all true.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2008-10-17, Chris Ahlstrom <lin...@bollsouth.nut> claimed:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tattoo Vampire belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> ...Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time, but don't
>>> point to their crotch when they ask where the bathroom is?
>>
>> I'm going to try that sometime heh heh
>
> Better make sure some words accompany the gesture. You wouldn't want to
> just point in the presence of an undercover cop.
Depends what his "stance" is.
--
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-- anonymous comp.sys.amiga posting, non-sequitir
William Poaster
In Italy, that's a hand signal to other motorists! ;-)
Homer
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:16:17 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>>> ...Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time,
>>> but don't point to their crotch when they ask where the bathroom
>>> is?
>>
>> Because "going to the bathroom" is only the secondary usage of
>> those parts, duh.
>>
>> 8)
>
> In Italy, that's a hand signal to other motorists! ;-)
Damn!
I totally misread that one, and responded with the "removing a cylinder
from my forehead" signal.
So what does it mean when an Italian traffic cop makes that "Bill & Ted
air guitar" signal?
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William Poaster
> Verily I say unto thee, that William Poaster spake thusly:
>> On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:16:17 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>>> Tattoo Vampire wrote:
>
>>>> ...Why do people point to their wrist when asking for the time,
>>>> but don't point to their crotch when they ask where the bathroom
>>>> is?
>>>
>>> Because "going to the bathroom" is only the secondary usage of
>>> those parts, duh.
>>>
>>> 8)
>>
>> In Italy, that's a hand signal to other motorists! ;-)
>
> Damn!
>
> I totally misread that one, and responded with the "removing a cylinder
> from my forehead" signal.
>
> So what does it mean when an Italian traffic cop makes that "Bill & Ted
> air guitar" signal?
Lord knows!
--
Did you know?
Hadron Quack & his wife divorced over religious differences.