Which Music Player?
Hadron Quark
I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
in file names.
Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
use to import this music list and work?
Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
"Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better option?
Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
Advocate away.
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Peter Köhlmann
>
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
>
> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>
> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>
> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>
> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>
> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better
> option?
>
> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>
> Advocate away.
>
I don't believe you
*Prove* that you don't lie this time
--
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refrain from walking those waters
cc
Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> Hadron Quark wrote:
>
> >
> > I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
> >
> > They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> > in file names.
> >
> > Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> > use to import this music list and work?
> >
> > Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> > or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
> >
> > Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
> >
> > "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
> >
> > Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
> >
> > The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> > list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
> > list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better
> > option?
> >
> > Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
> >
> > Advocate away.
> >
>
> I don't believe you
> *Prove* that you don't lie this time
Well you could have said I use ____ to play my large collection of mp3s
and it works ok, but that obviously isn't the case for you either.
BearItAll
>
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
>
> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>
> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>
> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>
> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>
> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better
> option?
>
> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>
> Advocate away.
>
I never really found one that did a very good cover of both player and juke
box but,
The popular ones tend to be
Rhythmbox
Amorak - I just checked to see where they are these days, from
the write up it looks like a very polished juke box.
Rex Ballard
Hadron Quark wrote:
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
The mp3 files are easy. mp4a files were use a proprietary technology.
Fortunately there are several Java apps that can play this format -
look at ipodder.
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
remember, mp4a is not compatible with the Debian concept of ALL OSS, No
patents.
Fortunately, users and other distributions are more pragmatic and less
dogmatic.
> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
You're looking for a "one size fits all" solution in an environment
where specialization is the norm. You can get shrink-wrapped
monolithic applications, such as RealPlayer, and Ipodder has a mp4a
compatible license, but in many cases, the specialists provide a
smaller memory footprint and better compatibility with infrastructure.
Keep in mind that neither Windows nor Linux lat applications hammer the
sound card directly anymore. The media format is decrypted (mp4a),
decompressed (mp3), buffered, then fed to a standard stream player
where the codec converts the digital to audio.
> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
Probably chokes on the MP4a encrypted files. It does'n know what to do
with them.
Jamie Hart
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
Hadron Quark
Hadron Quark
> Hadron Quark wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>>
>> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
>> in file names.
>>
>> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
>> use to import this music list and work?
>>
>> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
>> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>>
>> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>>
>> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>>
>> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>>
>> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
>> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
>> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better
>> option?
>>
>> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>>
>> Advocate away.
>>
>
> I don't believe you
> *Prove* that you don't lie this time
Of course you don't. The same way you don't believe anyone who
experiences crashes with Linux apps - despite the gigabytes of google
goodness out there confirming such issues.
But as usual, you nasty little man, you advocate NOTHING even when given
a chance to.
You're a an obsessed idiot Köhlmann.
Peter Köhlmann
> Peter Köhlmann <peter.k...@t-online.de> writes:
>
>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>>>
>>> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
>>> in file names.
>>>
>>> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
>>> use to import this music list and work?
>>>
>>> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
>>> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>>>
>>> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>>>
>>> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>>>
>>> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
>>> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
>>> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better
>>> option?
>>>
>>> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>>>
>>> Advocate away.
>>>
>>
>> I don't believe you
>> *Prove* that you don't lie this time
>
> Of course you don't.
No, I don't. You have lied way too often here in cola, "kernel hacker"
Hadron
> The same way you don't believe anyone who
> experiences crashes with Linux apps - despite the gigabytes of google
> goodness out there confirming such issues.
>
I said I don't believe *you*
> But as usual, you nasty little man, you advocate NOTHING even when given
> a chance to.
>
> You're a an obsessed idiot Köhlmann.
Way to go, "linux advocate" Hadron
You tell us some heartbreakening story how all your linux software does not
work.
That does not mean that it actually happened the way you told us. And in
fact, I believe that you simply lied
Refute it if you can
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NoStop
>
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
>
> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>
> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>
> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>
> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>
> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better
> option?
>
> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>
> Advocate away.
>
I have a rather small collection (around 8800 songs) and use sqlite and
Amarok.
Cheers.
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Hadron Quark
>
> Refute it if you can
Why should I when they are known issues? Like your "proof" about
Flatfish and his nymshifts - why should I bother appeasing a paranoid
pea brain like yourself?
Go on Peter : advocate for a change! I can find more pro linux posts
from me in the past month than you have posted in a year.
Hint : generalising and assuming things about people and then being rude
to them and beating them up in public is a thing modern, decent society
frowns upon. Try and be more accommodating and HELP people use
Linux. You know you can do it. Go on, put your truncheon away and be a
bit more "nOObfreundlich" ...
Hadron Quark
> Hadron Quark wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>>
>> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
>> in file names.
>>
>> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
>> use to import this music list and work?
>>
>> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
>> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>>
>> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>>
>> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>>
>> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>>
>> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
>> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
>> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better
>> option?
>>
>> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>>
>> Advocate away.
>>
> I have a rather small collection (around 8800 songs) and use sqlite and
> Amarok.
Which OS? Which version? I am using a Dapper 6.06 for this. What type of files are you
importing into the collection?
>
> Cheers.
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The Ghost In The Machine
<qadro...@geemail.com>
wrote
on Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:39:28 +0100
<87y7qww...@geemail.com>:
>
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
>
> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>
> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>
> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>
> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>
> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better option?
>
> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>
> Advocate away.
>
The only one guaranteed to work is the Microsoft Windows Vista
My Music folder.
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People have been copying music since the day's of open-reel recorders; I
doubt they're going to change their habits any time soon.
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Jamie Hart
>
> Hint : generalising and assuming things about people and then being rude
> to them and beating them up in public is a thing modern, decent society
> frowns upon.
That's classic coming from you Hadron.
BTW: Pot, kettle. Ring any bells yet?
BearItAll
It can't be hanging for everyone or they wouldn't still be releasing it.
There is also, I found when I looked for yours, that there is a server based
juke box for strea,ing around the house. I'm updating my home server soon
then I thought I'd look into that.
Jamie Hart
> Jamie Hart wrote:
>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>>>
>> Pirate.
>
> People have been copying music since the day's of open-reel recorders; I
> doubt they're going to change their habits any time soon.
>
My response to Hadrons trolling is about all it deserved.
While he'll adamantly protest that he's not trolling, what else are we
to call his attempt to prove that linux can't do what he wants.
He's made posts like this in the past, he googles for a situation that
he thinks he can use to prove Linux won't do what he wants, then he
posts it supposedly asking for advice.
Any advice he receives, and there always is plenty, is met with a "That
doesn't work on my system."
It's a poor technique, but then he's a poor troll.
The Ghost In The Machine
<87fyd4v...@geemail.com>:
Also, what file system? Might make a difference while
scanning through the file list. Mind you, 8800 files
in a single directory looks a little nonsensical unless
they're date-coded or something.
>
>>
>> Cheers.
>
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Hadron Quark
Don't have it. Is it an rpm? Can it download lyrics? Oh, I see. You
weren't trying to help. Typical COLA "advocacy" at work again.
But don't let the fact that I own a business where music is an important
attraction worry you. I'd say 99% of the music I have on a hard drive ,
I also have on CD too. Not a bad figure.
Hadron Quark
Hadron Quark
Normally they would be in artist/album directory hierarchies. Looks like
I'll have to install XP in wmware on the machine in question and revert
to itunes. I might upgrade to edgy first, but doubt it as this machine
cant go offline for more than a few minutes - and Edgy upgrade is error
prone.
>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>
>
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yttrx
>
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
>
Ive said this many times.
Prokyon3, plus Beep Media Player. Prokyon3 handles my collection, which
currently in total consists of a little over 70,000 tracks. It does it
because it uses MySQL for the backend. Yes yes, I know, I don't like
MySQL, but it's fine for this purpose---one person connecting to it and
doing one read and/or one insert at a tim.
Of course, you'll have to figure out how to install MySQL and how a
DB application works. Which you won't do.
-----yttrx
yttrx
Why dont you just stop using linux? You prefer windows anyhow. Where's
the issue?
-----yttrx
Jim
ago in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
>
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
>
> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>
> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>
> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>
> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>
> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better
option?
>
> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>
> Advocate away.
>
I use Amarok for mp3. I found XMMS jumping every so often on my vast
collection. FLAC/Shorten, CDDA and WAV get converted to mp3. I don't bother
with any other format.
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>
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
If you actually have these in an iTunes library directory somewhere
(say, on a Windows box), and copy that directory structure to a Linux
box, you can use the scripts here:
to make a directory tree on Linux, organized by genre, artist, and
album, containing one playlist per album.
To play music, you open up that directory tree using your favorite
directory tree browser, and drag the albums you want to hear to your
favorite music player that supports playlists and drag-and-drop. I used
to use XMMS for that.
The above software is completely unmaintained, as I haven't had any need
for it for quite a while (I use Macs on my desktop, so use iTunes).
Tim Smith
> remember, mp4a is not compatible with the Debian concept of ALL OSS, No
> patents.
The same goes for mp3.
...
>> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>
> Probably chokes on the MP4a encrypted files. It does'n know what to do
> with them.
Those aren't encrypted. Encrypted AAC files have a .m4p extension.
Tim Smith
Huh? Many people have collections in that neighborhood without piracy.
It's only about 400 CDs.
JEDIDIAH
>
>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>>>
>>> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
>>> in file names.
That sounds like my music collection which will crash iTunes but
will be happily imported by various versions of amarok with absolutely no
trouble.
[deletia]
>>>
>>> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>>>
>>> Advocate away.
>>>
>>
>> I don't believe you
>> *Prove* that you don't lie this time
>
> Of course you don't. The same way you don't believe anyone who
> experiences crashes with Linux apps - despite the gigabytes of google
> goodness out there confirming such issues.
There's a big difference in disbelieving you in particular
versus any random bloke that might be referenced through Google.
[deletia]
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Wayne McClaine
6000 songs -> 400 to 600 albums/CD's?
Pirate?
This sounds comparable to my storage of 20 years worth of CD
collecting, at about 2-3 new CD's purchased per month average. That on
top of all the Dead I grabbed from archive.org when it was still
operating at 100%.
-Gary
flatfish+++
>
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
I have many more than that, but let's just say * a lot*.
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
Same here.
Add in *.wav files in various formats as well.
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
I can't say for Ubuntu, but I have yet to find a stable Linux program for
this kind of stuff.
> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
Same story here.
Amarok is one Linux program that SHOULD be at version 0.54_c.32049.
> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
Never liked it.
> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
That used to work reasonably well with Suse.
I have not tried it with PCLinuxOS.
> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
No features.
Unstable.
> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better
> option?
Never tried it.
> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
I use xmms but just to play tunes.
I haven't found a decent program for cataloging and organizing songs yet.
> Advocate away.
Get ready for the denial.
The Ghost In The Machine
<yt...@yttrx.net>
wrote
on Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:07:59 GMT
<zxK1h.94614$Fh5....@fe45.usenetserver.com>:
> Hadron Quark <qadro...@geemail.com> wrote:
[snippage]
>> Normally [songs] would be in artist/album directory hierarchies. Looks like
>> I'll have to install XP in wmware on the machine in question and revert
>> to itunes. I might upgrade to edgy first, but doubt it as this machine
>> cant go offline for more than a few minutes - and Edgy upgrade is error
>> prone.
>>
>
> Why dont you just stop using linux? You prefer windows anyhow. Where's
> the issue?
>
Oh come now; you'd deprive him of an excuse to pester us? :-)
>
>
>
> -----yttrx
>
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ed
Hadron Quark <qadro...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files.
> Space in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
>
> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>
> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>
> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>
> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>
> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so.
> Play list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a
> better option?
>
> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>
> Advocate away.
beep media player.
next time dont store them in itunes. store them sensibly.
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flatfish+++
> remember, mp4a is not compatible with the Debian concept of ALL OSS, No
> patents.
> Fortunately, users and other distributions are more pragmatic and less
> dogmatic.
Yawwn.........
>> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
>> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>
> You're looking for a "one size fits all" solution in an environment
> where specialization is the norm. You can get shrink-wrapped
> monolithic applications, such as RealPlayer, and Ipodder has a mp4a
> compatible license, but in many cases, the specialists provide a
> smaller memory footprint and better compatibility with infrastructure.
More excuses.
Windows and Mac users have tons of programs that do this.
Polished, stable, feature laden programs which are unlike the Linux
offerings.
FWIW I like xmms and it is fairly stable.
Amarok is a good concept, but it is unstable and crashes at the slightest
provocation.
Ian
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
>
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>
>
> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>
> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>
> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better option?
>
> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>
> Advocate away.
>
I got the same results as you with Ubuntu 6.06.
I have upgraded to 6.10 and the results are a bit better.
amarok seems to be the only one that works satisfactorily. It had to go
away and install a plugin or driver to play mp3 (I got the usual KNotify
crash but just ignored this).
Other programs like Banshee and Beep Music Player are garbage and can be
safely ignored.
I downloaded RealPlayer, but the linux version is so inadequate that you
can ignore it.
Anyway, this was just an exercise for me. I will stick to MusicMatch and
WinAmp on windows which are both light-years ahead of anything that I
have come across for linux.
Tim Smith
>
> next time dont store them in itunes. store them sensibly.
What's not sensible about storing them on the disk, in files, one per
song, in one directory per album, organized in directories by artist?
How would you store them?
flatfish+++
> That sounds like my music collection which will crash iTunes but
> will be happily imported by various versions of amarok with absolutely no
> trouble.
Sure it will.
We believe you.
Really we do......
Jag Chan
news:87y7qww...@geemail.com:
>
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files.
> Space in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
>
> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>
> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>
> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>
> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>
> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so.
> Play list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a
> better option?
>
> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>
> Advocate away.
>
Windows Media Player (Latest Version)
Regards.
Rick
Why the hell are you doing an OS upgrade on a machine that can't go
offline for more than a few minutes?
--
Rick
Linonut
> Anyway, this was just an exercise for me. I will stick to MusicMatch and
> WinAmp on windows which are both light-years ahead of anything that I
> have come across for linux.
<chuckle>
You guys are all bozos. mv and ln are all you need to organize your
"play lists".
And Ian, you fling around the word "light-years" too freely. It makes
one not trust your judgment.
--
[ X ] Check here to always trust content from Linonut.
Hadron Quark
> On 2006-10-31, Hadron Quark <qadro...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Peter Köhlmann <peter.k...@t-online.de> writes:
>>
>>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>>>>
>>>> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
>>>> in file names.
>
> That sounds like my music collection which will crash iTunes but
> will be happily imported by various versions of amarok with absolutely no
> trouble.
I dont believe you. Amaroks issues with large libraries is well
documented.
Version please and OS you use.
>
> [deletia]
>>>>
>>>> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>>>>
>>>> Advocate away.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't believe you
>>> *Prove* that you don't lie this time
>>
>> Of course you don't. The same way you don't believe anyone who
>> experiences crashes with Linux apps - despite the gigabytes of google
>> goodness out there confirming such issues.
>
> There's a big difference in disbelieving you in particular
> versus any random bloke that might be referenced through Google.
>
I have *never* lied about the bugs I have found in "Linux" (inverted
commas for Rick). Have you? Yup.
--
"...you might as well skip the Xmas celebration completely, and instead
sit in front of your linux computer playing with the
all-new-and-improved linux kernel version."
(By Linus Torvalds)
Hadron Quark
He is mad. He wants us to believe that the #1 music manager (bar none)
"crashes for him".
LOL
One string short of a banjo.
Hadron Quark
Jamie Hart has gone to the darkside.
YOu must remember that the COLA zealots pay for nothing.
When he said "Pirate" he meant it as a "come on" to join him and the
boys using great SW and paying sweet FA for it.
Linonut
> Windows Media Player (Latest Version)
> Regards.
Is it still a grotesque unwieldy player of media, infected with DRM,
with an extremely limited set of file formats, like it was on XP?
--
"No! There are no significant bugs in our released software that any
significant number of users want fixed." -- Bill Gates, FOCUS interview
http://www.cantrip.org/nobugs.html
Linonut
I'd store them the same way. Only I'd use mv and mkdir to do it.
Funny how those command-line tools do the job after all.
--
There's no place like ~
Linonut
> I use xmms but just to play tunes.
> I haven't found a decent program for cataloging and organizing songs yet.
Try perl.
--
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day;
teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks.
Jim Richardson
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Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> On 2006-10-31, Rex Ballard <rex.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> remember, mp4a is not compatible with the Debian concept of ALL OSS, No
>> patents.
>
> The same goes for mp3.
>
<http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/>
<quote>
Because MAD is a new implementation of the ISO/IEC standards, it is
unencumbered by the errors of other implementations. MAD is not a
derivation of the ISO reference source or any other code. Considerable
effort has been expended to ensure a correct implementation, even in
cases where the standards are ambiguous or misleading.
Because MAD is available under the
terms of the GPL, it can be freely used in other GPL software, and is
also available for immediate evaluation prior to obtaining a commercial
license. (Please contact us to discuss commercial licensing terms.
</quote>
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To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows
box, you just need to work on it.
Jim Richardson
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Jamie Hart <use...@jhart.ath.cx> wrote:
> Hadron Quark wrote:
>> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>>
> Pirate.
Shit, I have damn near twice that, and they're all legal.
I use Amarok btw, for what that's worth.
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Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
"Next week, a doctor with a flashlight shows us where sales projections
come from."
- Dogbert
AqD
much better than rhythmbox but no ipod support.
http://musik.berlios.de/
Others:
- listen: http://listengnome.free.fr/ Looks great, with wikipedia and
other stuff. But it's python-based....
- jajuk: http://jajuk.sourceforge.net/ java-based jukebox
- mpd: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Music daemon with various
frontends.
Hadron Quark wrote:
> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>
> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
> in file names.
>
> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
> use to import this music list and work?
>
> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>
> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>
> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>
> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>
> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better option?
>
> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>
> Advocate away.
>
> --
> "Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night
> hacking (and/or conversations with God)."
> (By Matt Welsh)
cc
Hell, it's not like you can't do that from whatever file explorer you
want to use either. Command line is not even necessary.
Hadron Quark
I actually thought they might try to help.
But no.
I am a "liar" and a "pirate"
More points for Linux advocacy from the gang.
Sigh.
Hadron Quark
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Ian belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Anyway, this was just an exercise for me. I will stick to MusicMatch and
>> WinAmp on windows which are both light-years ahead of anything that I
>> have come across for linux.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> You guys are all bozos. mv and ln are all you need to organize your
> "play lists".
>
Another Linux loony. You would expect a bartender or a waiter or etc etc
etc to use "mv" and "ln" to prepare playlists for an evenings
listening? use cron to "shuffle" maybe? Repeat? Play count? Fade in &
out? All things which iTunes does brilliantly btw.
Please tell me you were joking.
GUIS eh? Waste of time - in my day all we had were punch cards ... drone
drone drone.
Hadron Quark
And what do you think any GUI front end on top would use? You're
struggling on this one.
--
Frisbeetarianism, n.:
The belief that when you die, your soul goes up the on roof and
gets stuck.
Hadron Quark
But the point is that its nice to give a single app front
end. Really. Its what GUIs are about. Is this conversation really
happening? Use mv and ln etc to prganise music & playlists? What about
genre, or play count, or one of a hundred other categories one might
assign such as "busy loud light", "quite christmassy" etc etc.
Hadron Quark
> wxmusik should work fine. It uses sqlite and has an itunes-like UI,
> much better than rhythmbox but no ipod support.
> http://musik.berlios.de/
>
> Others:
> - listen: http://listengnome.free.fr/ Looks great, with wikipedia and
> other stuff. But it's python-based....
> - jajuk: http://jajuk.sourceforge.net/ java-based jukebox
> - mpd: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Music daemon with various
> frontends.
Thanks ! I hadnt heard of it. I'll give it a go.
>
>
> Hadron Quark wrote:
>> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>>
>> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
>> in file names.
>>
>> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
>> use to import this music list and work?
>>
>> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
>> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>>
>> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>>
>> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>>
>> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>>
>> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
>> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
>> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better option?
>>
>> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>>
>> Advocate away.
>>
>> --
>> "Linux poses a real challenge for those with a taste for late-night
>> hacking (and/or conversations with God)."
>> (By Matt Welsh)
>
--
In most countries selling harmful things like drugs is punishable.
Then howcome people can sell Microsoft software and go unpunished?
(By ha...@rost.abo.fi, Hasse Skrifvars)
Peter Köhlmann
You did bot ask for any help
And given your perfromance here you made it abundantly clear that you don't
want any, because then it would be clear that you are making things up (the
flatfish way)
>
> I am a "liar" and a "pirate"
>
Liar, certainly. Pirate, maybe
Given the wintrolls preponderance to steal other peoples IP, I would not be
overly surprised if you are to be lumped with flatfish and wjbell
> More points for Linux advocacy from the gang.
>
> Sigh.
Yes, it is so depressing that nobody falls for your "linux advocate" ruse,
isn't it, "kernel hacker" Hadron?
--
Windows was created to keep stupid people away from UNIX."
-- Tom Christiansen
Hadron Quark
> After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> I use xmms but just to play tunes.
>> I haven't found a decent program for cataloging and organizing songs yet.
>
> Try perl.
Perl is a scripting language : he wants a decent program for cataloging
and organizing songs .....
Its like someone saying "I'm looking for a nice retirement cottage" and
up pops Linonutcase with "Hmmm" (rubbing beard) "try a shovel and some
bricks".
Hadron Quark
> Hadron Quark wrote:
>
> Yes, it is so depressing that nobody falls for your "linux advocate" ruse,
> isn't it, "kernel hacker" Hadron?
Did anyone ever tell you that you're a waste of space Köhlmann?
You never help anyone.
You lie.
You nymshift.
A thoroughly odious, nasty piece of work.
AqD
> I got the same results as you with Ubuntu 6.06.
>
> I have upgraded to 6.10 and the results are a bit better.
>
> amarok seems to be the only one that works satisfactorily. It had to go
> away and install a plugin or driver to play mp3 (I got the usual KNotify
> crash but just ignored this).
ah, stupid policy problem!
Use arch linux and you'll never have such crap again - we have all the
non-free apps in the official repository. (not for noobs though)
>
> Other programs like Banshee and Beep Music Player are garbage and can be
> safely ignored.
I can't understand how to use Banshee. And BMP is just like xmms
(geeky...)
>
> I downloaded RealPlayer, but the linux version is so inadequate that you
> can ignore it.
And you dont need it. Mplayer can play .rm too. No reason to use their
crapware.
>
> Anyway, this was just an exercise for me. I will stick to MusicMatch and
> WinAmp on windows which are both light-years ahead of anything that I
> have come across for linux.
The only good music jukebox for windows is iTunes!
Hadron Quark
> Ian wrote:
>> I got the same results as you with Ubuntu 6.06.
>>
>> I have upgraded to 6.10 and the results are a bit better.
>>
>> amarok seems to be the only one that works satisfactorily. It had to go
>> away and install a plugin or driver to play mp3 (I got the usual KNotify
>> crash but just ignored this).
>
> ah, stupid policy problem!
>
> Use arch linux and you'll never have such crap again - we have all the
> non-free apps in the official repository. (not for noobs though)
>
>>
>> Other programs like Banshee and Beep Music Player are garbage and can be
>> safely ignored.
>
> I can't understand how to use Banshee. And BMP is just like xmms
> (geeky...)
Horses for courses. I dont see how Banshee could be any easier to
use. If it didnt skip so much it would meet my minimum "needs" : I just
plead with the people who make these programs - please, please order the
shuffled play list in the shuffle order. Order them back into natural
order when the shuffle option is off. Its a pain in the ass not knowing
whats next.
>
>>
>> I downloaded RealPlayer, but the linux version is so inadequate that you
>> can ignore it.
And that's the truth. Buggy shit. Doesn't "work for me" either.
> And you dont need it. Mplayer can play .rm too. No reason to use their
> crapware.
Its not too bad.
>
>>
>> Anyway, this was just an exercise for me. I will stick to MusicMatch and
>> WinAmp on windows which are both light-years ahead of anything that I
>> have come across for linux.
>
> The only good music jukebox for windows is iTunes!
>
iTunes does its job well. Amarok would be its lord & master if only it
would work more reliably.
cc
Sorry, I didn't realize you were a bartender or a waiter who was
looking to organize a playlist. I don't know how to help you in this
case. I put all my songs in one folder, and use something to play them.
I know what genre, etc. the music is, and I happen to have a great
memory about music so I don't need any real organization, so all of
this is irrelevant to me. I wasn't trying to offer legitimate advice, I
was just being facetious because Peter offered a command line solution
when one isn't even necessary.
Tim Smith
Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:18:12 -0000,
> Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> > On 2006-10-31, Rex Ballard <rex.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> remember, mp4a is not compatible with the Debian concept of ALL OSS, No
> >> patents.
> >
> > The same goes for mp3.
> >
>
> <http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/>
>
> <quote>
>
> Because MAD is a new implementation of the ISO/IEC standards, it is
> unencumbered by the errors of other implementations. MAD is not a
> derivation of the ISO reference source or any other code. Considerable
> effort has been expended to ensure a correct implementation, even in
> cases where the standards are ambiguous or misleading.
>
> Because MAD is available under the
> terms of the GPL, it can be freely used in other GPL software, and is
> also available for immediate evaluation prior to obtaining a commercial
> license. (Please contact us to discuss commercial licensing terms.
>
> </quote>
It's still covered by Fraunhofer's patents. ISO asks companies that
proposed standardization of patented technology to make the patents
available under a RAND ("reasonable and non-discriminatory") license.
That doesn't mean free, and everything I've seen on MP3 licensing says
or implies it is not free.
--
--Tim Smith
Jamie Hart
JEDIDIAH
> flatfish+++ <flat...@linuxmail.org> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:45:48 -0600, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>
>>
>>> That sounds like my music collection which will crash iTunes but
>>> will be happily imported by various versions of amarok with absolutely no
>>> trouble.
>>
>> Sure it will.
>> We believe you.
>> Really we do......
>>
>
> He is mad. He wants us to believe that the #1 music manager (bar none)
> "crashes for him".
>
> LOL
>
> One string short of a banjo.
>
It gets hung up on "non-gui" files.
It hangs up on shell scripts for some strange reason and attempts
to treat Rock Ridge translation tables as media files. It's qutie funny
really. "file" does is more efficient at dealing with files.
You've got to wonder what they're on.
Perhaps they're only testing with blinders on, assuming that
no one will ever get their media files from any other source besides
iTunes itself (through the store or the app itself ripping discs). It's
rather annoying from a multi-OS fileserver sort of perspective.
None of the WinDOS media players has this problem.
iTunes plays less well with others than all of the other media
players.
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You don't even need a file mangler. Just have your ripper put
new ripped discs into place within your storage hive.
JEDIDIAH
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>> > On 2006-10-31, ed <e...@noreply.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> next time dont store them in itunes. store them sensibly.
>>> >
>>> > What's not sensible about storing them on the disk, in files, one per
>>> > song, in one directory per album, organized in directories by artist?
>>> > How would you store them?
>>>
>>> I'd store them the same way. Only I'd use mv and mkdir to do it.
>>>
>>> Funny how those command-line tools do the job after all.
>>
>> Hell, it's not like you can't do that from whatever file explorer you
>> want to use either. Command line is not even necessary.
>>
>
> But the point is that its nice to give a single app front
> end. Really. Its what GUIs are about. Is this conversation really
> happening? Use mv and ln etc to prganise music & playlists? What about
The sad fact is that this is a dead simple task that didn't really
need any tools much more advanced than something to create a nice menu
heirarchy off of some common entry point. Everything else was already in
place pretty much universally ~ 10 years ago.
> genre, or play count, or one of a hundred other categories one might
> assign such as "busy loud light", "quite christmassy" etc etc.
>
The problem with all of those other categories is that you
have to create all of that data yourself. No amount of Apple graphics
design prettiness is going to change that.
Hadron Quark
> Hadron Quark wrote:
>> "cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > Linonut wrote:
>> >> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>> >>
>> >> > On 2006-10-31, ed <e...@noreply.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> next time dont store them in itunes. store them sensibly.
>> >> >
>> >> > What's not sensible about storing them on the disk, in files, one per
>> >> > song, in one directory per album, organized in directories by artist?
>> >> > How would you store them?
>> >>
>> >> I'd store them the same way. Only I'd use mv and mkdir to do it.
>> >>
>> >> Funny how those command-line tools do the job after all.
>> >
>> > Hell, it's not like you can't do that from whatever file explorer you
>> > want to use either. Command line is not even necessary.
>> >
>>
>> But the point is that its nice to give a single app front
>> end. Really. Its what GUIs are about. Is this conversation really
>> happening? Use mv and ln etc to prganise music & playlists? What about
>> genre, or play count, or one of a hundred other categories one might
>> assign such as "busy loud light", "quite christmassy" etc etc.
>
> Sorry, I didn't realize you were a bartender or a waiter who was
> looking to organize a playlist. I don't know how to help you in this
I'm not, but where the system I put in does need exactly these
features. And at home I want these features too - not quite as urgently.
> case. I put all my songs in one folder, and use something to play them.
> I know what genre, etc. the music is, and I happen to have a great
> memory about music so I don't need any real organization, so all of
Then you dont really have much to offer this thread :) You're
lucky. I certainly couldnt have genres stored in my head or playlist
juggling in my head.
> this is irrelevant to me. I wasn't trying to offer legitimate advice, I
> was just being facetious because Peter offered a command line solution
> when one isn't even necessary.
>
--
For off-road use only.
Hadron Quark
Is everyone a liar to you?
Do you have any evidence that I am a "pirate"?
Actually there is lot of proof that Köhlmann can be a very nasty piece
of work. It doesn't bother me because I think he's tongue in cheek and
become his own parody. Unlike yourself & Mark Kent who both have your
tongues in Roy's cheeks.
Salut!
--
Drop in any mailbox.
Hadron Quark
> On 2006-11-01, Hadron Quark <qadro...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> "cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>
>>>> > On 2006-10-31, ed <e...@noreply.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> next time dont store them in itunes. store them sensibly.
>>>> >
>>>> > What's not sensible about storing them on the disk, in files, one per
>>>> > song, in one directory per album, organized in directories by artist?
>>>> > How would you store them?
>>>>
>>>> I'd store them the same way. Only I'd use mv and mkdir to do it.
>>>>
>>>> Funny how those command-line tools do the job after all.
>>>
>>> Hell, it's not like you can't do that from whatever file explorer you
>>> want to use either. Command line is not even necessary.
>>>
>>
>> But the point is that its nice to give a single app front
>> end. Really. Its what GUIs are about. Is this conversation really
>> happening? Use mv and ln etc to prganise music & playlists? What about
>
> The sad fact is that this is a dead simple task that didn't really
> need any tools much more advanced than something to create a nice menu
> heirarchy off of some common entry point. Everything else was already in
> place pretty much universally ~ 10 years ago.
Do you know what a good music library manager does? Or do you mean "gui
technology" was in place 10 years ago?
>
>> genre, or play count, or one of a hundred other categories one might
>> assign such as "busy loud light", "quite christmassy" etc etc.
>>
>
> The problem with all of those other categories is that you
> have to create all of that data yourself. No amount of Apple graphics
> design prettiness is going to change that.
No you dont.
You can.
But often that info is available online.
But its important to be able to manage all that yourself too.
Its a basic for any logical music compilation GUI.
--
Linux, the way to get rid of boot viruses
-- MaDsen Wikholm, mwik...@at8.abo.fi
chrisv
>Hadron Quark wrote:
>>
>> You never help anyone.
>>
>> You lie.
Well, it's been proven that you do, Quark.
>> You nymshift.
See?
>> A thoroughly odious, nasty piece of work.
How ironic.
>Do you have evidence of any of that, or are you just lying?
Looks like Wintroll lying to me.
cc
Probably not many other threads either. I don't even use playlists most
of the time. I find it hard to know what I want to listen to next until
the current song is done playing. Gnarls Barkley may sound good before
hand, but after listening to Modest Mouse I may want to stay with that
direction. That kind of thing.
Hadron Quark
Yeah : its called a playlist. You set up songs in the order you enjoy
them :-; You can, if you wish, alter them on the fly.
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flatfish+++
And there lies your problem.....
Shell scripts?
Rock ridge translation tables?
You are trying to PROGRAM iTunes......
Most normal people use it to play music............
Jamie Hart
> Jamie Hart <use...@jhart.ath.cx> writes:
>
>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>> Peter Köhlmann <peter.k...@t-online.de> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it is so depressing that nobody falls for your "linux advocate" ruse,
>>>> isn't it, "kernel hacker" Hadron?
>>> Did anyone ever tell you that you're a waste of space Köhlmann?
>>>
>>> You never help anyone.
>>>
>>> You lie.
>>>
>>> You nymshift.
>>>
>>> A thoroughly odious, nasty piece of work.
>>>
>> Do you have evidence of any of that, or are you just lying?
>
> Is everyone a liar to you?
So you were lying. Figures.
>
> Do you have any evidence that I am a "pirate"?
>
Yes. The eyepatch gives you away.
> Actually there is lot of proof that Köhlmann can be a very nasty piece
> of work.
He can be abrupt, even downright abusive at times, but that's not what
you claimed, you claimed that he lied, nymshifted and has never helped
anyone. Actually, I think you'd have a good chance of proving he'd
lied, at least by omission, but I doubt you could prove he's nymshifted
or that he's never helped anyone.
> It doesn't bother me because I think he's tongue in cheek and
> become his own parody.
And yet you abuse him anyway. What does that say abut you.
> Unlike yourself & Mark Kent who both have your
> tongues in Roy's cheeks.
>
Aha! Another lie. Shame you're not very good at it.
flatfish+++
The Ghost In The Machine
<qadro...@geemail.com>
wrote
on Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:02:14 +0100
<878xive...@geemail.com>:
> Linonut <lin...@bone.com> writes:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Ian belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Anyway, this was just an exercise for me. I will stick to MusicMatch and
>>> WinAmp on windows which are both light-years ahead of anything that I
>>> have come across for linux.
>>
>> <chuckle>
>>
>> You guys are all bozos. mv and ln are all you need to organize your
>> "play lists".
>>
> Another Linux loony. You would expect a bartender or a waiter or etc etc
> etc to use "mv" and "ln" to prepare playlists for an evenings
> listening? use cron to "shuffle" maybe? Repeat? Play count? Fade in &
> out? All things which iTunes does brilliantly btw.
Personally, I'd use a readonly filesystem (or a directory
with everything locked down) and symbolic links from
another directory. However, I acknowledge that's less
than convenient, and in any event Oliver Wong's ideas some
weeks back might be very useful here: search for data by
song title, artist, publication date, number of female
backup singers, etc.
This is clearly a filtering problem of some sort, and it's
far from clear to me what works best, especially since
after a few hundred files all of the characters either
start to run together or one gets random names in the
file system which one would have to know (somehow) that
that's John Lennon singing one of his tunes, or Whitney
Houston, or Marie Osmond, or Beyonce Knowles, or P Diddy,
or ... well, you get the idea. (No, this is not indicative
of my tastes in music. Try Quake I's tracks 2 through 11
(1 being the game proper), by Nine Inch Nails. Eclectic,
to say the least. Or perhaps Tchaikovsky's Fifth Symphony
is more to one's liking. I like it. :-) )
>
> Please tell me you were joking.
>
> GUIS eh? Waste of time - in my day all we had were punch cards ... drone
> drone drone.
N00b. Plugboards. :-)
(In my case I was introduced to Wang programmable
calculators in the mid-70's, as a youth. I just missed
plugboards. I did use optical mark-sense in high school
on HP equipment. My first job, however, involved among
other things interactive graphics on an Applicon and
working with SPICE models; no punch cards there. I also
have an 1802-based wirewrapped affair that I built in the
late 70's/early 80's. It might still work.)
--
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flatfish+++
> Another Linux loony. You would expect a bartender or a waiter or etc etc
> etc to use "mv" and "ln" to prepare playlists for an evenings
> listening? use cron to "shuffle" maybe? Repeat? Play count? Fade in &
> out? All things which iTunes does brilliantly btw.
>
> Please tell me you were joking.
The sad part is that they are NOT joking.
> GUIS eh? Waste of time - in my day all we had were punch cards ... drone
> drone drone.
I go back as far as paper tape, barely....
Kier
This is what you call 'evidence'?
Yeah, like any of the posters in these links are trustworthy sources of
opinion, flatty. You really are a crappy little turd.
--
Kier
Jamie Hart
people think you're an idiot too.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=flatfish%2Bidiot&btnG=Search
Now how about addressing the actual question:
Is there any evidence to prove that Peter Kohlmann has lied/Nymshifted
and never helped anyone?
JEDIDIAH
> JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>
>> On 2006-11-01, Hadron Quark <qadro...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> "cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 2006-10-31, ed <e...@noreply.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> But the point is that its nice to give a single app front
>>> end. Really. Its what GUIs are about. Is this conversation really
>>> happening? Use mv and ln etc to prganise music & playlists? What about
>>
>> The sad fact is that this is a dead simple task that didn't really
>> need any tools much more advanced than something to create a nice menu
>> heirarchy off of some common entry point. Everything else was already in
>> place pretty much universally ~ 10 years ago.
>
> Do you know what a good music library manager does? Or do you mean "gui
> technology" was in place 10 years ago?
Muddles together a few somewhat orthogonal tools.
That is pretty much it.
>
>>
>>> genre, or play count, or one of a hundred other categories one might
>>> assign such as "busy loud light", "quite christmassy" etc etc.
>>>
>>
>> The problem with all of those other categories is that you
>> have to create all of that data yourself. No amount of Apple graphics
>> design prettiness is going to change that.
>
> No you dont.
>
> You can.
>
> But often that info is available online.
Then tell us the pointy-clicky procedure for exploiting
that information.
[deletia]
--
Apple: Because a large harddrive is for power users.
Hadron Quark
I can believe you bothered to provide links. Hell, there's probably an
example of Köhlmann bullying some nOOb still on Jamie's screen!
Hadron Quark
Genre, comments, user tags,, err, columns, searches, groupings, err,
immdb, ..... What?
Play with iTunes and amarok and you will see how easy it is or should be
for the novice.
Peter Köhlmann
> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:29:20 -0500, flatfish+++ wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:05:50 +0000, Jamie Hart wrote:
>>
>>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>>> Peter Köhlmann <peter.k...@t-online.de> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it is so depressing that nobody falls for your "linux advocate"
>>>>> ruse, isn't it, "kernel hacker" Hadron?
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone ever tell you that you're a waste of space Köhlmann?
>>>>
>>>> You never help anyone.
>>>>
>>>> You lie.
>>>>
>>>> You nymshift.
>>>>
>>>> A thoroughly odious, nasty piece of work.
>>>>
>>> Do you have evidence of any of that, or are you just lying?
>>
>>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=peter%2Bkohlmann%2Bidiot&btnG=Google+Search
>>
>>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&q=peter%2Bkohlmann%2Bidiot&btnG=Google+Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wg
>
> This is what you call 'evidence'?
>
Well, it is "evidence" the flatfish way.
Posts written by nymshifters and forgers claiming something.
It does not matter what they claim, it will be good enough for flatfish and
Hadron
> Yeah, like any of the posters in these links are trustworthy sources of
> opinion, flatty.
You don't think that a Kadaitcha felcher or a Daeron forger isn't
trustworthy? Say it ain't so
> You really are a crappy little turd.
>
Don't insult crappy little turds
--
"SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons*
why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat to your SCSI chain now and
then."
NoStop
> NoStop <nos...@nospam.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have a music collection of about 6000 songs.
>>>
>>> They are assembled from iTunes imports. Mixture of mp3 mp4a files. Space
>>> in file names.
>>>
>>> Which Linux music program available under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 can I
>>> use to import this music list and work?
>>>
>>> Amarok? Nope. Sits there at the 30% stage and hangs. Using both SQLite
>>> or MySQL as the backend for cataloging.
>>>
>>> Rhythmbox? Nope. Crashes about 10% into the import.
>>>
>>> "Juk"? Nope. Click the icon and nothing happens.
>>>
>>> Totem? Not really suitable for organising playlists etc.
>>>
>>> The best I have at the moment is Banshee Player : it has imported the
>>> list just fine - problem is that is "jumps" every 3 minutes or so. Play
>>> list handling is ok. Its using the gstreamer plugin. Is there a better
>>> option?
>>>
>>> Which player do you use for a modestly large collection?
>>>
>>> Advocate away.
>>>
>> I have a rather small collection (around 8800 songs) and use sqlite and
>> Amarok.
>
> Which OS? Which version? I am using a Dapper 6.06 for this. What type of
> files are you importing into the collection?
>
Ubuntu 6.06. I'm importing mp3s. No problems whatsoever.
>>
>> Cheers.
>
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system." McAfee
Hadron Quark
I have a mixture of types.
Can anyone recommend a command line app to recurse directories and
change all files from "type whatever" to "type mp3"?
JEDIDIAH
> "cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>> "cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> > Hadron Quark wrote:
>>> >> "cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Linonut wrote:
>>> >> >> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > On 2006-10-31, ed <e...@noreply.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>> Probably not many other threads either. I don't even use playlists most
>> of the time. I find it hard to know what I want to listen to next until
>> the current song is done playing. Gnarls Barkley may sound good before
>> hand, but after listening to Modest Mouse I may want to stay with that
>> direction. That kind of thing.
>
> Yeah : its called a playlist. You set up songs in the order you enjoy
> them :-; You can, if you wish, alter them on the fly.
...sounds like something every platform had about 5 years before
the iTunes player came out.
--
The best OS in the world is ultimately useless |||
if it is controlled by a Tramiel, Jobs or Gates. / | \
Hadron Quark
> On 2006-11-01, Hadron Quark <qadro...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> "cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hadron Quark wrote:
>>>> "cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>> > Hadron Quark wrote:
>>>> >> "cc" <scat...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Linonut wrote:
>>>> >> >> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> > On 2006-10-31, ed <e...@noreply.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >>
> [deletia]
>>> Probably not many other threads either. I don't even use playlists most
>>> of the time. I find it hard to know what I want to listen to next until
>>> the current song is done playing. Gnarls Barkley may sound good before
>>> hand, but after listening to Modest Mouse I may want to stay with that
>>> direction. That kind of thing.
>>
>> Yeah : its called a playlist. You set up songs in the order you enjoy
>> them :-; You can, if you wish, alter them on the fly.
>
> ...sounds like something every platform had about 5 years before
> the iTunes player came out.
I never claimed iTunes was the first.
I'm looking for one that works under Linux ....
cc
Haha yeah, but I don't know what I will enjoy until one is over so
there is no point in making a list when I'll have to
add/remove/re-order the entire list after every song anyway. All i need
is something to play music, and a random shuffle if I feel like living
dangerously.
JEDIDIAH
Posing again I see...
My previous comment stands:
>>>> The problem with all of those other categories is that you
>>>> have to create all of that data yourself. No amount of Apple graphics
>>>> design prettiness is going to change that.
--
The best OS in the world is ultimately useless |||
if it is controlled by a Tramiel, Jobs or Gates. / | \
Hadron Quark
I don't see any question : just a gaping hole in your experience or knowledge.
JEDIDIAH
No. You're simply trolling.
Hadron Quark
No. I'm not. And you dont have a clue about what you're talking
about. Full of shit as usual with zero idea how a modern GUI app should
or could handle music library management. typical COLA gang troll : head
in the sand, ass in the air and whistling dixie.
JEDIDIAH
You're a moron.
You're a liar.
Pick one.
>>>>> But often that info is available online.
>>>>
>>>> Then tell us the pointy-clicky procedure for exploiting
>>>> that information.
--
Sure, I could use iTunes even under Linux. However, I have |||
better things to do with my time than deal with how iTunes doesn't / | \
want to play nicely with everyone else's data (namely mine). I'd
rather create a DVD using those Linux apps we're told don't exist.
flatfish+++
No he's not.
As usual, your obtuse and moronic replies have gotten you in trouble.
And as usual, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
You're crap about shellscripts and iTunes shows how out of touch with
reality you are.
Isn't it time for Star Trek on Sci Fi channel?
Tim Smith
Star Trek is not on Sci Fi. Of the cable networks, the ones currently
showing Star Trek are G4 (TOS, TNG) and Spike (TNG, DS9). veQyab 'oH
Yabllj'e'.
--
--Tim Smith
Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 05:53:33 -0800,
Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article <6aol14-...@dragon.myth>,
> Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com> wrote:
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>>
>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:18:12 -0000,
>> Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>> > On 2006-10-31, Rex Ballard <rex.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> remember, mp4a is not compatible with the Debian concept of ALL OSS, No
>> >> patents.
>> >
>> > The same goes for mp3.
>> >
>>
>> <http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/>
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>> Because MAD is a new implementation of the ISO/IEC standards, it is
>> unencumbered by the errors of other implementations. MAD is not a
>> derivation of the ISO reference source or any other code. Considerable
>> effort has been expended to ensure a correct implementation, even in
>> cases where the standards are ambiguous or misleading.
>>
>> Because MAD is available under the
>> terms of the GPL, it can be freely used in other GPL software, and is
>> also available for immediate evaluation prior to obtaining a commercial
>> license. (Please contact us to discuss commercial licensing terms.
>>
>> </quote>
>
> It's still covered by Fraunhofer's patents. ISO asks companies that
> proposed standardization of patented technology to make the patents
> available under a RAND ("reasonable and non-discriminatory") license.
> That doesn't mean free, and everything I've seen on MP3 licensing says
> or implies it is not free.
>
It's my understanding that the patent covers a particular algorithm for
encoding/decoding the mp3, not the format itself. That said patented
algorithm uses floating point math, which, you'll note, is not what the
MAD lib does.
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--
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"Thank you for calling the UN. If this is a real emergency, please hang
up and dial AMERICA"
Linonut
> Personally, I'd use a readonly filesystem (or a directory
> with everything locked down) and symbolic links from
> another directory. However, I acknowledge that's less
> than convenient, and in any event Oliver Wong's ideas some
> weeks back might be very useful here: search for data by
> song title, artist, publication date, number of female
> backup singers, etc.
Why would someone want to complicate their music experience with that
non-musical stuff?
--
Rejuvenate your hardware with GNU/Linux!
Linonut
> Linonut wrote:
>>
>> I'd store them the same way. Only I'd use mv and mkdir to do it.
>> Funny how those command-line tools do the job after all.
>
> Hell, it's not like you can't do that from whatever file explorer you
> want to use either. Command line is not even necessary.
No, but it is usually faster.
--
"Take her in for regrooving." -- The Firesign Theatre
JEDIDIAH
There's also the remastered Trek playing. I am not sure what
affiliate it's playing on. I've heard conflicting reports about this
& that it's playing on different network's affiliates in different
cities.
JEDIDIAH
Dunno. They could do it from a shell script if they really
wanted too. The key is the relevant data being in place either in
the file or in some network location that can easily be associated
with the file either at creation time or decode time.