[News] C# Fails Very Badly at Popularity in the Free Software World
Roy Schestowitz
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C# is Number 1(0)!
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| C# Open Source popularity not what one might think.
|
| How does one measure success?
|
| The success – roughly defined as “popularity” – of C#/Mono/.NET is something
| we’ve kicked around in comments here. Now, there are numbers from Black Duck
| that have got some blogs picking up on some “harder” numbers.
|
| C# squeaks into 10th place, with a 1.24% share – virtually equal to assembly
| language (1.23%)!
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http://mono-nono.com/2009/08/19/c-is-number-10/
Recent:
Study: Java still top programming language
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| Java has its detractors, but according to a recent reading of the Tiobe
| Programming Community Index, it's still the dominant programming language,
| with little change in its overall popularity since August 2007. Runners up?
| C, (Visual) Basic, C++, and PHP.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10009669-16.html
Video: Stallman on DRM, Patents and C #
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| Stallman also explains comments he made in his keynote speech regarding the
| use of Microsoft's C # and why the GNU project incorporate their own version
| of C # in the portable dotnet technology.
|
| In another of our videos of the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, Richard Stallman
| declares his position on DRM, patents and C #.
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http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Video-Stallman-on-DRM-Patents-and-C
Related:
C#: Is the Party Over?
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| Conclusion
|
| Is the C# party over? If the plan of C# was to slow the defection of
| Visual C++ developers to Java, then it was certainly better than
| nothing. The long-term savings for Microsoft in sharing a CLR
| between projects was more than worth the initial effort. However,
| C# is still not the de facto choice for Web site or enterprise
| development and other languages such as Python and PHP, which are
| bringing in a new generation of developers who don't have a need to
| migrate Visual C++ applications. C# isn't going anywhere soon but
| its best days may be behind it.
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http://linux.sys-con.com/read/117741_p.htm
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RayLopez99
wrote:
[Idiotiocy deleted]
Your link to http://www.blackducksoftware.com/oss/projects
once again does not prove your header. In fact, the #1 language
according to the survey you cited was "C"!
What a bright future C has! It's clear you're not the brightest bulb
in the room Roy, nor do you know much about programming. C, Linux,
assembly, as anybody knows, is legacy code. C#, Silverlight, and the
new framework for ADO coming soon, are the future.
RL
Phil Da Lick!
"in the Free Software World"
There, look. In the header.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Phil Da Lick! on Wednesday 19 August 2009 16:39 : \____
He think it means "gratis". Cheaper than 99 cents.
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RayLopez99
<phil_the_l...@REMOVETHISSPAMTRAP.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> "in the Free Software World"
>
> There, look. In the header.
OK, you got me Phil Da Lick. You're right. In the Free Software
World, C and Assembly and Java rule.
But in the real, non-hobby world people use C# and C++, in that order.
RL
domain.dot.net labs
>
> Related:
>
> C#: Is the Party Over?
>
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> | Conclusion
> |
> | Is the C# party over? If the plan of C# was to slow the defection of
> | Visual C++ developers to Java, then it was certainly better than
> | nothing. The long-term savings for Microsoft in sharing a CLR
> | between projects was more than worth the initial effort. However,
> | C# is still not the de facto choice for Web site or enterprise
> | development and other languages such as Python and PHP, which are
> | bringing in a new generation of developers who don't have a need to
> | migrate Visual C++ applications. C# isn't going anywhere soon but
> | its best days may be behind it.
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I think the issue is far beyond choice of language. The best software
engineers can use whatever. To me I am deeply concerned about what the
future is in general for the profession.
With software development being seen by non-technologists as a
commodity they just will not pay for (and the 'my 5th grader codes why
should I care about you being special') and the global rejection of
the art/craft vs. trade differential in people..... Where do we go
from here?
I am experiencing the same 5% doing 95% of the good work. No
different. What is different is people do not seem to care about those
5% anymore as different.
Thoughts? Who gives a f**k about language anymore???
Damon
RayLopez99
wrote:
> I am experiencing the same 5% doing 95% of the good work. No
> different. What is different is people do not seem to care about those
> 5% anymore as different.
>
> Thoughts? Who gives a f**k about language anymore???
>
> Damon
This problem, if you are talking about what I think you are (more and
more good work being harder and harder to find), is common in many
industries, not just programming. The difference seems to be that in
programming it's easier to outsource to India, than, say, outsourcing
a radiologist (though that too is being outsourced).
RL
Homer
> I think the issue is far beyond choice of language. The best software
> engineers can use whatever. To me I am deeply concerned about what
> the future is in general for the profession.
From a purely technical standpoint, the "best" programming language is
... the one /you/ want to use, be it for reasons of familiarity or
productivity.
Personally (and again, from a purely technical standpoint) I have no
preference. I've used C, C++, Java, Python, Perl, Ruby, Lisp, Pascal,
numerous forms of BASIC, SML, BCPL, HP RPL, ARexx, and various assembly
languages (Zilog Z80, Motorola 68K, MOS 6502). Ultimately I come back to
Bash scripting, as it suits the quick 'n dirty solutions I usually need
at the last minute, but I wouldn't necessarily say I "prefer" Bash. The
language I'm most sentimental about is ARexx; the one I'm least
competent with is Perl; the one I'm most impressed by is SML; the one I
should be practising more is Python (given the kinds of distro-related
things I hack on); the one I find most appealing is Ruby, and the one
I'd /like/ to master is C (if such a thing is possible).
However, these days my interests are almost entirely non-technical, but
political in nature. That is my choice - my prerogative. So from my
perspective - the /political/ perspective, I certainly do have strong
preferences in many areas of computing, most notably the preference to
/not/ use anything even remotely connected with Microsoft. In terms of
programming languages, that means C#. It could be the greatest language
on Earth (technically) ... but I refuse to have anything to do with it,
because it is tainted by those corporate gangsters from Redmond.
--
K.
http://slated.org
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| and lawful means. But seek the testimony of few; and number not
| voices, but weigh them." ~ Immanuel Kant
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RayLopez99
> However, these days my interests are almost entirely non-technical, but
> political in nature. That is my choice - my prerogative. So from my
> perspective - the /political/ perspective, I certainly do have strong
> preferences in many areas of computing, most notably the preference to
> /not/ use anything even remotely connected with Microsoft. In terms of
> programming languages, that means C#. It could be the greatest language
> on Earth (technically) ... but I refuse to have anything to do with it,
> because it is tainted by those corporate gangsters from Redmond.
Thanks for confirming COLA users like yourself don't love Linux and
non-MSFT technologies for their merits, but because they hate MSFT.
RL
Moshe Goldfarb
That's about the size of it.
One minor detail though, many of them, including [Homer] use
Microsoft and Windows products to earn their living.
Others, like Roy Schestowitz, list experience with Microsoft and
Windows products on their resume'.
Hypocrites, that's what those kind are.
JEDIDIAH
...and what merits would those be?
OTOH, you also have to worry about the old Lemming mantra "compatability".
Do you really want to get in bed with Microsoft or would you rather be
playing nice with everyone else instead. Being more Windows-ish to the
detriment of being as Unix-ish is a nontrivial engineering and management
issue. Then there's the question of how that leaves other platforms (like
the Mac or embedded devices or oddballs like mainframes).
Using industry standards versus following Microsoft's lead.
What would I personally get out of it except perhaps being
allowed to be part of Microsoft's walled garden of web video?
Nevermind the "microsoft hate".
The essential "why bother" question needs answered.
--
Nothing today, likely nothing since we tamed fire,
is genuinely new: culture, like science and |||
technology grows by accretion, each new creator / | \
building on the works of those that came before.
Judge Alex Kozinski
US Court of Appeals
9th Circuit
chrisv
>>
>> Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
>>
>>> However, these days my interests are almost entirely non-technical, but
>>> political in nature. That is my choice - my prerogative. So from my
>>> perspective - the /political/ perspective, I certainly do have strong
>>> preferences in many areas of computing, most notably the preference to
>>> /not/ use anything even remotely connected with Microsoft. In terms of
>>> programming languages, that means C#. It could be the greatest language
>>> on Earth (technically) ... but I refuse to have anything to do with it,
>>> because it is tainted by those corporate gangsters from Redmond.
>>
>> Thanks for confirming COLA users like yourself don't love Linux and
>> non-MSFT technologies for their merits, but because they hate MSFT.
You are a dumbshit, Dopez. This is not about "loving" Linux or
"hating" Micro$oft.
This is about freedom.
You would have to be a real POS, Dopez, to claim that we are "bad
people" because we might sacrifice some things, for the sake of
retaining our freedom.
RayLopez99
> On 2009-08-21, RayLopez99 <raylope...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for confirming COLA users like yourself don't love Linux and
> > non-MSFT technologies for their merits, but because they hate MSFT.
>
> ...and what merits would those be?
Compatibility is one. Also the MSFT development tools are superior
from what I've seen.
>
> OTOH, you also have to worry about the old Lemming mantra "compatability".
>
> Do you really want to get in bed with Microsoft or would you rather be
> playing nice with everyone else instead. Being more Windows-ish to the
> detriment of being as Unix-ish is a nontrivial engineering and management
> issue. Then there's the question of how that leaves other platforms (like
> the Mac or embedded devices or oddballs like mainframes).
>
I rather be with 99% than 1%. And Unix is now owned by Larry
Ellison. Does he play as nice as Ballmer, or is it trading one arse-
whole for another? Better the arse-whole you know, and that has 99%
market share, than the Linux whole who doesn't but wants to be.
RL
Homer
>>>> I refuse to have anything to do with it, because it is tainted
>>>> by those corporate gangsters from Redmond.
>>>
>>> Thanks for confirming COLA users like yourself
I don't speak for "COLA users" (whatever that's supposed to mean), I
speak only for myself.
>>> don't love Linux
Correct. I don't particularly "love Linux".
For one thing, it'd be quite unnatural to experience something as
profoundly emotive as "love" for an insentient thing like an operating
system kernel. How would this kernel reciprocate?
Certainly I /like/ Linux, and there is much to commend it. It's highly
feature complete, extremely well maintained, has a huge developer base,
is very secure, and supports an incredible array of standards, including
filesystems and CPU architectures. Best of all though, it's Free Software.
But there are also aspects of Linux that I really don't like, such as
the fact that it's monolithic, that its creator has a far too pragmatic
viewpoint, that it isn't licensed under version 3 of the GPL, that its
development tends to favour enterprise needs more than desktop users,
and worst of all that (despite its supposedly "Free" status) it is
riddled with binary blobs (e.g. microcode), thus necessitating projects
like linux-libre.
Overall, I'd have to say I prefer the Amiga Exec over Linux (from a
technical perspective), even though it has almost none of Linux's very
useful features (virtual memory, memory protection, or any security
features whatsoever), but it was (is) incredibly fast. Unfortunately
Amiga Exec is almost entirely unsuitable for modern day computing, but I
think there is still a place in the world for ultra-lightweight kernels,
for certain tasks.
>>> and non-MSFT technologies
Is there some particular reason I should be obligated to like "MSFT
technologies" (whatever that is - do ticker symbols produce technologies)?
> for their merits
Political dissent against Microsoft is not mutually exclusive with
technical criticism against their software. In my case, I also happen to
believe their software is a steaming pile of shit ... it's just that
this isn't my primary motive for opposing Microsoft.
> but because they hate MSFT.
Again, "hate" is an unnatural reaction to an insentient thing,
especially hate directed towards a stock ticker symbol. I don't "hate" a
stock ticker symbol, or even a piece of paper featuring the word
"incorporated". What I /hate/ is the kind of /people/ who would sabotage
charities, and run a racketeering operation to suppress competition. I
don't believe it's particularly irrational to hate gangsters, do you?
> You are a dumbshit, Dopez. This is not about "loving" Linux or
> "hating" Micro$oft.
>
> This is about freedom.
Yes. Microsoft is the biggest threat to computer users' freedom, even
(in fact especially) for those who prefer Free Software, since Free
Software users are those who Microsoft attacks most viciously (their
Nemeses).
> You would have to be a real POS, Dopez, to claim that we are "bad
> people" because we might sacrifice some things, for the sake of
> retaining our freedom.
Freedom is an illusion, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't /strive/ to
be as free as possible, and with totalitarians like Microsoft constantly
attacking our Freedom, that endeavour is a very hard battle indeed.
However, despite the adversity of having to fight Microsoft even for
certain basic rights (e.g. to buy a prebuilt computer /without/ paying
Microsoft for an OS I don't want), I don't feel especially deprived.
What have /I/ sacrificed by choosing GNU/Linux?
Nothing, AFAICT.
--
K.
http://slated.org
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| "Seek not the favour of the multitude; it is seldom got by honest
| and lawful means. But seek the testimony of few; and number not
| voices, but weigh them." ~ Immanuel Kant
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Moshe Goldfarb
> Verily I say unto thee, that chrisv spake thusly:
>>> Dopez99 wrote:
>>>> Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
> [...]
>>>>> I refuse to have anything to do with it, because it is tainted
>>>>> by those corporate gangsters from Redmond.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for confirming COLA users like yourself
>
> I don't speak for "COLA users" (whatever that's supposed to mean), I
> speak only for myself.
You're not doing a very good job of it [Homer].
The more you speak, the crazier you sound.
>>>> don't love Linux
>
> Correct. I don't particularly "love Linux".
Of course you don't.
You hate Micrsoft which is far more important to people here in
COLA than loving Linux.
> What have /I/ sacrificed by choosing GNU/Linux?
>
> Nothing, AFAICT.
As long as your time is free.......
Gregory Shearman
> Verily I say unto thee, that chrisv spake thusly:
>>> Dopez99 wrote:
>>>> Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
> [...]
>>>>> I refuse to have anything to do with it, because it is tainted
>>>>> by those corporate gangsters from Redmond.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for confirming COLA users like yourself
>
> I don't speak for "COLA users" (whatever that's supposed to mean), I
> speak only for myself.
>
>>>> don't love Linux
>
> Correct. I don't particularly "love Linux".
>
> For one thing, it'd be quite unnatural to experience something as
> profoundly emotive as "love" for an insentient thing like an operating
> system kernel. How would this kernel reciprocate?
Yep.. I enjoy using Linux. It's fun. It's not love. I keep that for
sentient beings and tasty desserts!
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Homer
> Yep.. I enjoy using Linux. It's fun. It's not love. I keep that for
> sentient beings and tasty desserts!
Got the love bug, Greg?
--
K.
http://slated.org
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| "Seek not the favour of the multitude; it is seldom got by honest
| and lawful means. But seek the testimony of few; and number not
| voices, but weigh them." ~ Immanuel Kant
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Gregory Shearman
> Verily I say unto thee, that Gregory Shearman spake thusly:
>
>> Yep.. I enjoy using Linux. It's fun. It's not love. I keep that for
>> sentient beings and tasty desserts!
>
> Got the love bug, Greg?
Weeeell... It's coming up to Spring (September 1st) and the sap's
rising...
RayLopez99
> However, despite the adversity of having to fight Microsoft even for
> certain basic rights (e.g. to buy a prebuilt computer /without/ paying
> Microsoft for an OS I don't want), I don't feel especially deprived.
>
> What have /I/ sacrificed by choosing GNU/Linux?
>
> Nothing, AFAICT.
>
>
[Homo], thanks for that nuanced view of Linux. After reading that
reasoned opinion, I feel safer now with my investment in MSFT. Nobody
but less than 1% of the population will ever subscribe to using Linux
for the reasons you state.
RL
Homer
> On 2009-08-22, Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Gregory Shearman spake thusly:
>>
>>> Yep.. I enjoy using Linux. It's fun. It's not love. I keep that for
>>> sentient beings and tasty desserts!
>> Got the love bug, Greg?
>
> Weeeell... It's coming up to Spring (September 1st) and the sap's
> rising...
Hehe! Yeah, I thought you were a bit more mushy than usual.
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| "Seek not the favour of the multitude; it is seldom got by honest
| and lawful means. But seek the testimony of few; and number not
| voices, but weigh them." ~ Immanuel Kant
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Gregory Shearman
> Verily I say unto thee, that Gregory Shearman spake thusly:
>> On 2009-08-22, Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
>>> Verily I say unto thee, that Gregory Shearman spake thusly:
>>>
>>>> Yep.. I enjoy using Linux. It's fun. It's not love. I keep that for
>>>> sentient beings and tasty desserts!
>>> Got the love bug, Greg?
>>
>> Weeeell... It's coming up to Spring (September 1st) and the sap's
>> rising...
>
> Hehe! Yeah, I thought you were a bit more mushy than usual.
Yeah, about as mushy as a lump of igneous rock.
chrisv
> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> You would have to be a real POS, Dopez, to claim that we are "bad
>> people" because we might sacrifice some things, for the sake of
>> retaining our freedom.
>
> Freedom is an illusion, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't /strive/ to
> be as free as possible, and with totalitarians like Microsoft constantly
> attacking our Freedom, that endeavour is a very hard battle indeed.
>
> However, despite the adversity of having to fight Microsoft even for
> certain basic rights (e.g. to buy a prebuilt computer /without/ paying
> Microsoft for an OS I don't want), I don't feel especially deprived.
>
> What have /I/ sacrificed by choosing GNU/Linux?
>
> Nothing, AFAICT.
My comment was based on your hypothetical "even *if* M$ was technically
superior, you wouldn't use it" scenario, which the troll tried attacking
as irrational or something.
Regarding actual "sacrifice", it must be admitted that there is quite a
library of Wintel software that, for many people, would be difficult to
give up...
RayLopez99
> My comment was based on your hypothetical "even *if* M$ was technically
> superior, you wouldn't use it" scenario, which the troll tried attacking
> as irrational or something.
You are irrational. You and Homo cling to an OS with less than 1%
market share. You call that rational? You're crazy.
Get with the program and upgrade to MS Windows. You might earn a
decent wage if you do, though you'll have to compete with 1M
Bangladore teen programmers. But at least, if you work in an office
cubicle like most people in the states, you won't get weird looks for
using a nutter OS hobbyware like Linux.
RL
Homer
> My comment was based on your hypothetical "even *if* M$ was
> technically superior, you wouldn't use it" scenario, which the troll
> tried attacking as irrational or something.
It constantly amazes me how these people fail to grasp the rationality
of dissenting against a multiple convicted monopolist, even if they're
completely unmoved by Microsoft's other debase behaviour, which they
commit with absolute impunity, and usually escape prosecution.
> Regarding actual "sacrifice", it must be admitted that there is quite
> a library of Wintel software that, for many people, would be
> difficult to give up...
I'm sure the extent to which that is true is greatly exaggerated by the
Microsoft apologists, for the purpose of supporting an agenda (Guerilla
Marketing). I see nothing essential in the Windows catalogue that is
especially irreplaceable. I do, however, see a great deal in GNU/Linux
that is not currently replicated in Windows - primarily the element of
Freedom (something which has very practical implications beyond idealism
- e.g. architectural support).
The clichéd example always used by these "evangelists" is Photoshop, the
status of which is greatly overstated, since it is neither irreplaceable
nor even capable of being deployed on all the architectures supported by
GNU/Linux. Add to that its ridiculous price, and equally ridiculous
bloat, and the net result is something of highly questionable value.
And this application is just a single rare example of something
reasonably good on Windows (even if grossly over-hyped and overpriced).
If you only consider the quantitative aspect of Windows software, you
might be inclined to conclude it must be "better", but the fact is that
once you prune away all the considerable dross, what's left is a very
small (and expensive) portfolio of marginally useful software (or what
Windows sheeple like to call "Killa Appz"), that still suffers Windows'
inherent failings on licensing, security and bloat. Even Free Software
running on Windows inherits much of this - it's difficult to avoid the
failings of the underlying system.
But of course the masses are largely ignorant that a solution exists to
these problems, since they are force-fed Windows by OEMs, then believe,
with unquestioning faith, the marketing propaganda that is fed to them
by Microsoft, via their channel of "partners" (and Guerilla Marketers).
This ignorance is then capitalised on by those "evangelists" to make
false claims that "people demand Windows" and "people demand Photoshop",
when the reality is that people are simply accepting a de facto
condition out of ignorance, and not making any "demands" in particular.
Exposing this "demand" as a lie is important, since a Free Market
Economy depends on the principle of supply and /demand/, so if that
"demand" is actually a façade to a monopoly enforced through
partnerships (i.e. racketeering) then the market is no longer Free, and
requires regulation to redress the imbalance (and hopefully prosecution
of the racketeers).
Liberating oneself from this protection racket is not a "sacrifice" ...
other than to those who support it.
--
K.
http://slated.org
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| "Seek not the favour of the multitude; it is seldom got by honest
| and lawful means. But seek the testimony of few; and number not
| voices, but weigh them." ~ Immanuel Kant
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chrisv
> (Photoshop) is just a single rare example of something
> reasonably good on Windows (even if grossly over-hyped and overpriced).
It's not only Photoshop and Quicken. There's also lot more "fun"
software for Wintel out there. For those who are into that...
It's the one real advantage Windows has - that massive library of
software.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
You can run a lot of those programs on Linux, too, you know.
--
The lovely woman-child Kaa was mercilessly chained to the cruel post of
the warrior-chief Beast, with his barbarian tribe now stacking wood at
her nubile feet, when the strong clear voice of the poetic and heroic
Handsomas roared, 'Flick your Bic, crisp that chick, and you'll feel my
steel through your last meal!'
-- Winning sentence, 1984 Bulwer-Lytton bad fiction contest.
Peter Köhlmann
> After takin' a swig o' grog, chrisv belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Homer wrote:
>>
>>> (Photoshop) is just a single rare example of something
>>> reasonably good on Windows (even if grossly over-hyped and
>>> overpriced).
>>
>> It's not only Photoshop and Quicken. There's also lot more "fun"
>> software for Wintel out there. For those who are into that...
>>
>> It's the one real advantage Windows has - that massive library of
>> software.
>
> You can run a lot of those programs on Linux, too, you know.
>
Are you trying to do a "reverse Hadron"?
You are right, of course. And Hadron Snot Quarks claim about "OSS on
windows" always needs a rewritten app. Most don't exist, and never will,
except when written with cross-compatibility in mind
--
Windows: Because everyone needs a good laugh!
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, chrisv belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Homer wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Photoshop) is just a single rare example of something
>>>> reasonably good on Windows (even if grossly over-hyped and
>>>> overpriced).
>>>
>>> It's not only Photoshop and Quicken. There's also lot more "fun"
>>> software for Wintel out there. For those who are into that...
>>>
>>> It's the one real advantage Windows has - that massive library of
>>> software.
>>
>> You can run a lot of those programs on Linux, too, you know.
>
> Are you trying to do a "reverse Hadron"?
Bingo!
> You are right, of course. And Hadron Snot Quarks claim about "OSS on
> windows" always needs a rewritten app. Most don't exist, and never will,
> except when written with cross-compatibility in mind
--
This is the first age that's paid much attention to the future, which is a
little ironic since we may not have one.
-- Arthur Clarke
RayLopez99
[Strawman argument deleted]
Strawman argument noted. Preaching to the choir, [Homo]?
That will win you fans...on COLA, but not the real world.
Good luck with your hobby-ware, Linux.
RL
Moshe Goldfarb
The Schestowitz Choir?
Have you ever heard Roy Schestowitz sing?
Coming to you LIVE from High atop SWANGOS Lounge, drumroll
please, Roy and the Gang!!!
http://www.schestowitz.com/Music/Recording/Roy%20Schestowitz%20-%20The%20Lady%20Is%20A%20Tramp.mp3
http://www.schestowitz.com/music.htm
He must have been bombed when he recorded this stuff!
Rick
Hobbyware... the software the City of Largo runs on...
Hobbyware... the software the top supercomputers run on...
Hobbyware... the software Oracle picked to run ... Oracle...
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Rick
Homer
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:56:32 -0700, RayLopez99 wrote:
>
>> On Aug 23, 12:32 pm, Homer <use...@slated.org> wrote:
>> [Strawman argument deleted]
>>
>> Strawman argument noted.
If Photoshop, the be all and end all of slavering Windows fanatics'
wetdreams, is a "straw man", then what does that make the rest of the
Windows portfolio of Slopware?
Nice self-nuke there, Raytard.
>> Preaching to the choir, [Homo]?
Well since you're hanging on to every word of the sermon too, I guess
that makes you one of the choirboys, Dopez.
>> That will win you fans...on COLA, but not the real world.
>>
>> Good luck with your hobby-ware, Linux.
Good luck being sucked dry by Microsoft for their virus-infested
Crippleware.
> Hobbyware... the software the City of Largo runs on... Hobbyware...
> the software the top supercomputers run on... Hobbyware... the
> software Oracle picked to run ... Oracle...
Don't forget the New York Stock Exchange running Red Hat Enterprise
Linux "hobby-ware" ... one of the many places that tracks "MSFT's"
rapidly falling stock price, including the London Stock Exchange that
infamously crashed because it was running Microsoft's Slopware.
--
K.
http://slated.org
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Rex Ballard
> On Aug 19, 8:35 am, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com>
> wrote:
> [Idiotiocy deleted]
> Your link tohttp://www.blackducksoftware.com/oss/projects
> once again does not prove your header. In fact, the #1 language
> according to the survey you cited was "C"!
Not so surprising actually, since this tracked new releases of all
open software projects, including existing legacy software projects.
Some C projects are getting updated with the old fgets instead of gets
to make sure you don't have buffer overruns, or changes to scanf or
sscanf.
> What a bright future C has! It's clear you're not the brightest bulb
> in the room Roy, nor do you know much about programming. C, Linux,
> assembly, as anybody knows, is legacy code. C#, Silverlight, and the
> new framework for ADO coming soon, are the future.
C# isn't even that popular at Microsoft. Microsoft has healed it's
relationship with Sun, which was the driving force behind C# in the
first place. Microsoft is encouraging vendors to stay with Visual
Basic, or to use Visual Studio to create C++ code rather than
encourage them to use Mono to generate portable C# code, which seems
to have become a popular solution for vendors who want multiplatform
and C#.
The biggest growth seems to be in Java, and AJAX, and PHP. This
allows a software developer to generate applications that run equally
well on Windows, Mac, and Linux, as well as cell phones and Linux
Netbooks.
There might be some concern about how Oracle's purchase of Sun might
impact Java, but Oracle might find it hard to put the Genie back in
the bottle.
I did a C# related engagement a while back, and I was surprised at how
difficult it was to get C# support from Microsoft. On the other hand,
there was much better support from Mono, and Microsoft was really
chatting up Visual Basic.
Microsoft is beginning to realize that it can't compete with Linux
effectively by reinventing the wheel, fire, and nuts and bolts. Not
so long ago, the purchased unlimited and unrestricted rights to UNIX,
giving them the ability to offer Microsoft UNIX if they wanted to. It
will probably have a catchy name like Windows 8, or Windows 2020 or
something like that, but we have seen so much of Unix become part of
Windows over the years. It was only a matter of time before Microsoft
found a way to obtain the scheduler, device driver support, and other
capabilities of SCO, BSD, and even much of Linux, without having to
pay more than "cab fare" for it.
Rumor has it that Microsoft paid $7 million to SCO for those unlimited
rights. Microsoft Unix could be worth $700 billion to Microsoft over
the next 10-15 years.