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[News] [Rival] Possible Manipulation in Australia's OOXML Working Group

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Roy Schestowitz

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Mar 10, 2008, 11:09:02 PM3/10/08
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XML format meeting decider

,----[ Quote ]
| AUSTRALIA'S stance in the global stoush over Microsoft's bid to make its XML
| document file format an international standard will be thrashed out by local
| experts today.
|
| [...]
|
| Open Source Industry Australia spokesman Brendan Scott said he only received
| Standards Australia's report late last Friday for discussion by the technical
| working group today.
|
| "It's very difficult to work out what's involved in the final draft," Mr
| Scott said. "There isn't a complete document containing all the changes.
|
| "It's a big ask to have sensible comment on such a big document in such a
| short time."
`----

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,23351994-15306,00.html

Far from the first irregularity there. Microsoft and its partners are breaking
any rule or bending any rule where it's possible.


Recent:

Standards Australia defends Jelliffe he has never developed Microsoft products

,----[ Quote ]
| Look at this press release from Standards Australia, it is really funny how
| they carefully weight their words:
|
|     The article also incorrectly describes Rick Jelliffe as a ‘Microsoft
|     developer’. While Mr Jelliffe consults widely to industry and government
|     including Microsoft, he has never developed Microsoft products.  
|
| Let's rewrite it like this to see if it changes something:
|
|     Rick Jelliffe is not a ‘Microsoft developer’ as such. While Mr Jelliffe
|     is being paid for consultancy work by Microsoft, he is not developing
|     Microsoft products.  
|
| Where is the money?
`----

http://www.noooxml.org/forum/t-42872/standards-australia-defends-jelliffe:he-has-never-developed-microsoft-products


Microsoft developer joins Aussie OOXML standards delegation

,----[ Quote ]
| Last year Jelliffe was implicated in editing OOXML Wikipedia entries at the
| request of Microsoft. A public explanation is available on Jelliffe's blog.
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http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;445400562;fp;16;fpid;1


How to Get Your Platform Accepted as a Standard - Microsoft Style

,----[ Quote ]
| In the section of an internal manual on effective evangelism, written in 1997
| by James Plamondon, Technical Evangelist, he lays out an elaborate series of
| steps to get Microsoft's platforms accepted as de facto standards. Among the
| steps lists are working behind the scenes with supposedly independent but
| actually pliable and supportive analysts and consultants.    
`----

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071023002351958


Australia stalls OOXML vote as NZ scratches head

,----[ Quote ]
| With the countdown on to the International Organization for Standardization
| (ISO) ballot on OOXML, Australia and New Zealand's representatives are
| keeping their cards close to their chests on which way they will vote.
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http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Australia-stalls-OOXML-vote-as-NZ-scratches-head/0,130061733,339286594,00.htm


Standards Australia denies OOXML bias

,----[ Quote ]
| Representatives from IBM, Google, Catalyst IT and Waugh Partners expressed
| their concern the appointment of Topologi director Rick Jelliffe to the
| delegation was not indicative of the wider industry view on OOXML
| standardization.
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http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?id=1735452258&rid=-50


The OOXML BRM and Australia: What happens next

,----[ Quote ]
| Senior project manager at Standards Australia, Panjan Navaratnam, will head
| the delegation and shoulder the responsibility for all Australian positions.
| He will be supported in an advisory role by technical expert Rick Jeliffe.
|
| Despite some concerns surrounding the objectivity of Jeliffe, Standards
| Australia insists that its delegates are not participating as an agent of any
| personal or organisational viewpoint.
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http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php?id=1392366014&rid=-50


Related:

EU Initiates Investigation Against Microsoft OOXML Push

,----[ Quote ]
| But with Steve Ballmer taking over as CEO, there was supposed to be a kinder,
| gentler Microsoft - one that would play nicely with its competitors.  When
| antitrust regulators in turn challenged this new Microsoft, it issued not
| challenges to fight to the end to prove that it had done nothing illegal, but
| statements promising to "cooperate fully."    
|
| But at the same time, Microsoft is still a tough competitor.  As Microsoft's
| Director of Corporate Standards Jason Matusow famously warned at his blog
| last year:  
|
|     Make no mistake; all parties are looking at the full picture to find
|     strategies that will result in the outcome they desire. Provided - of
|     course - that they do so within the context of the rules that apply to
|     the process, this is exactly what one should expect to happen. It is
|     going to be a very interesting next few months.    
|
| Indeed, the months that followed proved to be interesting indeed.  Microsoft
| said that some of its employees became over zealous, most flagrantly in
| Sweden, where marketing assists were promised to several business partners as
| incentives to join the national standards committee and vote for OOXM.  
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http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080208082501776


EU Commission Investigating Microsoft's MSOOXML Push

,----[ Quote ]
| I hope they think to investigate the smear campaigns that seem to always
| happen to anyone on the other side from Microsoft. What happened to Peter
| Quinn was by no means unique.  
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http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080208151410252

Mark Kent

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Mar 11, 2008, 10:02:37 AM3/11/08
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Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:

> XML format meeting decider
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>| AUSTRALIA'S stance in the global stoush over Microsoft's bid to make its XML
>| document file format an international standard will be thrashed out by local
>| experts today.
>|
>| [...]
>|
>| Open Source Industry Australia spokesman Brendan Scott said he only received
>| Standards Australia's report late last Friday for discussion by the technical
>| working group today.
>|
>| "It's very difficult to work out what's involved in the final draft," Mr
>| Scott said. "There isn't a complete document containing all the changes.
>|
>| "It's a big ask to have sensible comment on such a big document in such a
>| short time."
> `----
>
> http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,23351994-15306,00.html
>
> Far from the first irregularity there. Microsoft and its partners are breaking
> any rule or bending any rule where it's possible.

The smell of corruption is ever stronger.

>
>
> Recent:
>
> Standards Australia defends Jelliffe he has never developed Microsoft products
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>| Look at this press release from Standards Australia, it is really funny how
>| they carefully weight their words:
>|

>|     The article also incorrectly describes Rick Jelliffe as a ?Microsoft
>|     developer?. While Mr Jelliffe consults widely to industry and government

>|     including Microsoft, he has never developed Microsoft products.  
>|
>| Let's rewrite it like this to see if it changes something:
>|

>|     Rick Jelliffe is not a ?Microsoft developer? as such. While Mr Jelliffe


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Roy Schestowitz

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Mar 11, 2008, 12:13:26 PM3/11/08
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____/ Mark Kent on Tuesday 11 March 2008 14:02 : \____

> Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>> XML format meeting decider
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| AUSTRALIA'S stance in the global stoush over Microsoft's bid to make its
>>| XML document file format an international standard will be thrashed out by
>>| local experts today.
>>|
>>| [...]
>>|
>>| Open Source Industry Australia spokesman Brendan Scott said he only
>>| received Standards Australia's report late last Friday for discussion by
>>| the technical working group today.
>>|
>>| "It's very difficult to work out what's involved in the final draft," Mr
>>| Scott said. "There isn't a complete document containing all the changes.
>>|
>>| "It's a big ask to have sensible comment on such a big document in such a
>>| short time."
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,23351994-15306,00.html
>>
>> Far from the first irregularity there. Microsoft and its partners are
>> breaking any rule or bending any rule where it's possible.
>
> The smell of corruption is ever stronger.

They'll escape the "corruption" word by saying something like "oops. It must
have been lost in the mail."

Classic. Rule bending or something more extreme that justifies strong words?
You decide...

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Moshe Goldfarb

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Mar 11, 2008, 12:56:56 PM3/11/08
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:13:26 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

>They'll escape the "corruption" word by saying something like "oops. It must
>have been lost in the mail."
> Classic. Rule bending or something more extreme that justifies strong words?
> You decide...

That sounds more like your tactic Roy Schestowitz.
You use that one all the time when you get caught shilling your own posts.

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Ana Thema

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