[News] [Rival] Xbox 360 Sales in the Gutter
Roy Schestowitz
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Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
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| Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
| Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
| Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
| sales.
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http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
PlayStation 3 dominates best games in 2009
http://www.sltrib.com/technology/ci_14066503
Last week:
Microsoft Accidentally Charges $800 for Arcade Game
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| In all seriousness, this is certainly just
| an error on Microsoft's part - someone
| meant to type in "800 MS Points" (or $10)
| and ended up pricing the game at 80 times
| that. Let's hope it gets corrected by the
| time the game comes out, or the poor Polar
| Panic folks might find their game not
| selling as well as they'd hoped.
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97029-Microsoft-Accidentally-Charges-800-for-Arcade-Game
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Mark Kent
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> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
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>| Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
>| Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
>| Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
>| sales.
> `----
>
> http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
Cool! No7! Up there with Chanel? Or was it Players?
>
> PlayStation 3 dominates best games in 2009
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> http://www.sltrib.com/technology/ci_14066503
>
>
> Last week:
>
> Microsoft Accidentally Charges $800 for Arcade Game
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>| In all seriousness, this is certainly just
>| an error on Microsoft's part - someone
>| meant to type in "800 MS Points" (or $10)
>| and ended up pricing the game at 80 times
>| that. Let's hope it gets corrected by the
>| time the game comes out, or the poor Polar
>| Panic folks might find their game not
>| selling as well as they'd hoped.
> `----
>
> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97029-Microsoft-Accidentally-Charges-800-for-Arcade-Game
>
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Tom Shelton
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Maybe true for consoles, but it looks to me that as of Nov. 2009
Microsoft was the biggest winner really in the console software
market. It workes out something like:
Nintendo - 40% (29% wii, 11% nds)
Microsoft - 37% (xbox 360)
Sony - 23% (19% ps3, 2% psp, 2% ps2)
Which is an overal decline for everyone except xbox. nov. 2008 looked
like:
Nintendo - 47% (34% wii, 13% nds)
Microsoft - 28% (xbox 360)
Sony - 25% (15% ps3, 8% ps2, 2% psp)
So, maybe Roy the problem is really, that most people who want an xbox
already have one :) Since software sales seem to indicate that it is
the most popular of the consoles now - even outselling the wii.
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Tom Shelton
Tim Smith
Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
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> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
Japan is just a niche market--according to you a few days ago.
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> Last week:
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> Microsoft Accidentally Charges $800 for Arcade Game
And then they fixed the mistake. Something you don't seem to do.
You are *still* claiming that Mike Milinkovich is being forced out
of the Eclipse Foundation--a claim that occurs *nowhere* except your
site, where you do not cite any source whatsoever to support it:
<http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/02/eclipse-infighting-and-microsoft/>
How long are you going to keep the FUD up?
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Phil Da Lick!
Outselling the wii? I think you need to look at those figures again.
Last time I checked 40 was bigger than 37.
Mark Kent
You need to look at where he got his stats from. I would guess that
they're from a US vendor.
Ezekiel
"Phil Da Lick!" <phil_t...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:HbidnXq4W6WyTNzW...@brightview.co.uk...
> Tom Shelton wrote:
>>
>> Maybe true for consoles, but it looks to me that as of Nov. 2009
>> Microsoft was the biggest winner really in the console software
>> market. It workes out something like:
>>
>> Nintendo - 40% (29% wii, 11% nds)
>> Microsoft - 37% (xbox 360)
>> Sony - 23% (19% ps3, 2% psp, 2% ps2)
>>
>> Which is an overal decline for everyone except xbox. nov. 2008 looked
>> like:
>>
>> Nintendo - 47% (34% wii, 13% nds)
>> Microsoft - 28% (xbox 360)
>> Sony - 25% (15% ps3, 8% ps2, 2% psp)
>>
>> So, maybe Roy the problem is really, that most people who want an xbox
>> already have one :) Since software sales seem to indicate that it is
>> the most popular of the consoles now - even outselling the wii.
>
> Outselling the wii? I think you need to look at those figures again. Last
> time I checked 40 was bigger than 37.
Sales of the "console" itself aren't all that important. The console makers
either lose money or barely make anything on the console itself. It's the
games where the money is.
Tom Shelton
That 40% number is for Wii + nds. Wii is 29% witouth the nds.
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Tom Shelton
Phil Da Lick!
Read it again zeke. "Microsoft was the biggest winner really in the
console software market"
Phil Da Lick!
And?
"Microsoft was the biggest winner really in the console software market"
Perhaps if you'd substituted "XBox" for "Microsoft" and used Wii and DS
sales seperately it might have looked like a console comparison. But you
didn't. And therefore it looked like a company comparison.
Ezekiel
I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to but the Microsoft
"Entertainment and Devices Division" (ie - the part of the company that
sells the XBox and the Zune) reported a *profit* of $312 million dollars in
Sept-09. A profit of >$300 million in a single quarter is very substantial.
Phil Da Lick!
What I'm referring to is the comparison made in SOFTWARE sales.
> "Entertainment and Devices Division" (ie - the part of the company that
> sells the XBox and the Zune) reported a *profit* of $312 million dollars in
> Sept-09. A profit of >$300 million in a single quarter is very substantial.
So?
Ezekiel
So the rumors of the death/demise of the XBox are completely without merit.
Tom Shelton
I did separate out the numbers in the above - did you not notice the
parens? Further, this is not consoles, but software...
On a company bases, Microsoft is only 3% behind Nintendo and that is
using Wii and NDS software sales combined - MS only has the 360. The
point though, is that though Nintendo does have a slightly larger
market share in total - they have fallen almost 7% since last year at
the same time, where as Microsoft has risen almost 10%. Sony has lost
2% since last year - small gain in ps3, big loss in ps2.
From a console perspective, XBox 360 is selling more software then the
other comparable products - PS3 and WII. What I find interesting - is
that in cross console games, such as "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2"
- XBox soundly kicks the ps3's butt every time.
November:
MW2
360 - 4.2 M
PS3 - 1.87 M
Assasin's Creed II
360 - 794,700
PS3 - 448,400
I don't own and XBox360. I have a WII and a PS2, but the fact is the
XBox360 is a very popular machine here in the US and is doing quite
well here, despite Roy's claims.
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Tom Shelton
Tom Shelton
<phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote:
> Ezekiel wrote:
> > "Phil Da Lick!" <phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:rPCdneV1aft0m9_W...@brightview.co.uk...
> >> Ezekiel wrote:
> >>> "Phil Da Lick!" <phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote in
> >>> messagenews:HbidnXq4W6WyTNzW...@brightview.co.uk...
> >>>> Tom Shelton wrote:
> >>>>> Maybe true for consoles, but it looks to me that as of Nov. 2009
> >>>>> Microsoft was the biggest winner really in the console software
> >>>>> market. It workes out something like:
>
> >>>>> Nintendo - 40% (29% wii, 11% nds)
> >>>>> Microsoft - 37% (xbox 360)
> >>>>> Sony - 23% (19% ps3, 2% psp, 2% ps2)
>
> >>>>> Which is an overal decline for everyone except xbox. nov. 2008 looked
> >>>>> like:
>
> >>>>> Nintendo - 47% (34% wii, 13% nds)
> >>>>> Microsoft - 28% (xbox 360)
> >>>>> Sony - 25% (15% ps3, 8% ps2, 2% psp)
>
> >>>>> So, maybe Roy the problem is really, that most people who want an xbox
> >>>>> already have one :) Since software sales seem to indicate that it is
> >>>>> the most popular of the consoles now - even outselling the wii.
> >>>> Outselling the wii? I think you need to look at those figures again.
> >>>> Last time I checked 40 was bigger than 37.
> >>> Sales of the "console" itself aren't all that important. The console
> >>> makers either lose money or barely make anything on the console itself.
> >>> It's the games where the money is.
>
> >> Read it again zeke. "Microsoft was the biggest winner really in the
> >> console software market"
>
> > I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to but the Microsoft
>
> What I'm referring to is the comparison made in SOFTWARE sales.
>
The comparison was the year-over-year numbers - 2008 vs 2009. While
Nintendo had an overall 3% larger market share in 2009 then Microsoft,
Nintendo had fallen 7% from the previous year, where as Microsoft
gained almost 10%. Basically, it looks as if Microsoft picked up the
7% loss from Nintendo and the 2% loss from Sony and expanded a bit.
Sounds to me that since MS gained market share, where as both
competitors lost market share - MS was the biggest winner.
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Tom Shelton
JEDIDIAH
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> Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
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>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
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> Japan is just a niche market--according to you a few days ago.
"smart phones in Japan" is not so much a niche market but an invention of statisticians.
"Game consoles in Japan" OTOH...
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Phil Da Lick!
Whilst Nintendo's numbers were still higher. That's an interesting take.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Mark Kent on Monday 04 Jan 2010 12:19 : \____
The same one that told us that Linux has just 4% in sub-notebooks (NPD)?
That would be 32% (say Dell and ABI), not 4%.
Wasn't Shelton a Microsoft MVP? Either way, they are here to lie.
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Mark Kent on Sunday 03 Jan 2010 23:18 : \____
> Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:
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>>
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>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
>>
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>>| Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
>>| Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
>>| Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
>>| sales.
>> `----
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>> http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
>
> Cool! No7! Up there with Chanel? Or was it Players?
The more interesting analysis ought to look at profit. IIRC, Wii might still be the only
console that makes money on purchases.
Microsoft could theoretically sell its DRM-crippled console $50 and declare itself a "winner".
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Phil Da Lick!
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>> Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:
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>>>
>>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
>>>
>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> | Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
>>> | Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
>>> | Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
>>> | sales.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
>> Cool! No7! Up there with Chanel? Or was it Players?
>
> The more interesting analysis ought to look at profit. IIRC, Wii might still be the only
> console that makes money on purchases.
>
> Microsoft could theoretically sell its DRM-crippled console $50 and declare itself a "winner".
Or declare its net loss year-on-year is less than the others so
therefore its the biggest winner, like we have later in this thread. Sheesh!
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
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> On 2010-01-04, Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
>>
>> Japan is just a niche market--according to you a few days ago.
>
> "smart phones in Japan" is not so much a niche market but an invention of
> statisticians.
>
> "Game consoles in Japan" OTOH...
Statistics for "Game consoles in Japan" OTOH... are exactly the same thing.
Tom Shelton
<phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
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> >>> ,----[ Quote ]
> >>> | Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
> >>> | Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
> >>> | Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
> >>> | sales.
> >>> `----
>
> >>>http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
> >> Cool! No7! Up there with Chanel? Or was it Players?
>
> > The more interesting analysis ought to look at profit. IIRC, Wii might still be the only
> > console that makes money on purchases.
>
> > Microsoft could theoretically sell its DRM-crippled console $50 and declare itself a "winner".
>
> Or declare its net loss year-on-year is less than the others so
> therefore its the biggest winner, like we have later in this thread. Sheesh!
Phil, you obviously didn't read or understand the numbers. Microsoft
did not have a net loss - they had a net gain of 10% where as everyone
else - Sony (-2%) and Nintendo (-7%) experienced a net loss in market
share (software sales, not console sales).
Now, I remember why I pretty much just lurk - most of you can't reason
at all rationally when it comes to Microsoft.
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Tom Shelton
Tom Shelton
Well, if the trend continues, will more then make up the 3% difference
over the coming year and be in the #1 spot. The fact is currently,
Sony and Nintendo are going down, Microsoft up.
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Tom Shelton
Phil Da Lick!
Nintendo's number is still higher than Microsoft's. That's a
mathematical fact.
> Now, I remember why I pretty much just lurk - most of you can't reason
> at all rationally when it comes to Microsoft.
Speak sense instead of MS ad-speak spinmeisterisms and you might get
somewhere.
Hadron
What the hell are you talking about? What part of "huge profit" confuses
you?
Phil Da Lick!
The fact is currently that Nintendo made the most and you're trying to
pass it off as MS doing the best.
And *IF* the trend continues then next year's number will still have
zero bearing on this year's numbers. We'll discuss next year's numbers
if you like next year when they're published.
Hadron
He has been told this numerous times. Only Rasker is worse with numbers.
Phil Da Lick!
Japanese videogaming is seriously weird. They've got some right far out
shit games that wouldn't even sell a bucketload in the US or EU.
Phil Da Lick!
Nowt. The bit "huge profit" being passed off as bigger than "huger
profit" just isn't correct is all.
Phil Da Lick!
You're talking trends dumbass (which may or may not continue). Last time
I checked 40% was bigger than 37%.
Tom Shelton
Sure, overall Nintendo is still 3% higher (a very small number) - but,
their sales are showing a strongly negative trend (-7%). Where as
Microsoft is showing a strongly positive trend (+10%).
Who would you rather be? The guy who has a very small overall lead,
but is loosing ground fast? Or the guy who is a close second, and
gaining on the leader at a fairly good clip?
Very simple, I would think.
> > Now, I remember why I pretty much just lurk - most of you can't reason
> > at all rationally when it comes to Microsoft.
>
> Speak sense instead of MS ad-speak spinmeisterisms and you might get
> somewhere.
LOL... if simple comparing of actual number is MS ad-speak then
wow... Why do you all feel the need to make MS loose at everything?
The fact is they simply aren't loosing on the xbox360.
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Tom Shelton
Hadron
*chuckle* Poor Phil. Just doesn't know when to shut up.
>
>> Now, I remember why I pretty much just lurk - most of you can't reason
>> at all rationally when it comes to Microsoft.
>
> Speak sense instead of MS ad-speak spinmeisterisms and you might get
> somewhere.
ROTFLM!
You're insane. All he did was correct you about the real situation and
all you did is keep trying to find "a number, any number" that somehow
indicates to an idiot like you that MS is going bust. Grow up and buy a
clue you sad little Freetard.
Phil Da Lick!
But you're not comparing simple numbers. You're analysing a trend and
assuming an outcome a year from now.
> wow... Why do you all feel the need to make MS loose at everything?
Another assumption. I don't.
> The fact is they simply aren't loosing on the xbox360.
They've made all their initial loss back already? Wow that's great.
Tom Shelton
Did they? I have no idea. We were talking about the percent of
sales, I don't believe any monetary figures came into it. Nintendo
sold a few more games, yes. But, that doesn't necessarily mean they
made more money (though, I suspect they did).
> And *IF* the trend continues then next year's number will still have
> zero bearing on this year's numbers. We'll discuss next year's numbers
> if you like next year when they're published.
The whole point is the trend. But, whatever.
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Tom Shelton
Phil Da Lick!
His number. The one he used to try and spin it.
> indicates to an idiot like you that MS is going bust.
Please provide proof in the form of links that I stated anytime that MS
is going bust.
> Grow up and buy a clue you sad little Freetard.
You first. Extract your foot from your gob before you do.
Phil Da Lick!
Wrong. There are many points that can be analysed, the trend being just
one of them. Perhaps you should wait for the trend to continue before
declaring MS "the winner" eh?
Hadron
Yes Einstein thats what % drops do - indicate a trend. Duh.
>
>> wow... Why do you all feel the need to make MS loose at everything?
>
> Another assumption. I don't.
It sure seems so. The fact you're not good at it doesn't help your
cause.
>
>> The fact is they simply aren't loosing on the xbox360.
>
> They've made all their initial loss back already? Wow that's great.
And continue to grow. But that's a trend. And you don't seem to
understand trends and market direction because you're a clueless COLA
freetard. It's why your opinion is worthless to anyone.
Tom did quite a good job of humiliating you and he allowed you to do all
the hard work yourself ! Well done Freetard!
Mark Kent
In Canada and the US, though, MS have done an exceedingly good job of
strangling the supply of Linux-based netbooks. They're virtually
impossible to find, and when you do find them, they get sold out in
moments.
>
> That would be 32% (say Dell and ABI), not 4%.
That's the global picture, I think, and it was previously 90%+ linux, I
think, as Microsoft decided to discontinue Windows XP, because it was so
old.
>
> Wasn't Shelton a Microsoft MVP? Either way, they are here to lie.
>
Yes, I believe he was.
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Mark Kent
Bizarre! The funny thing is that all of the people I know who are in
the console buying market are either buying Wii or PS3. I presume the
OP is using US stats from a carefully selected vendor.
Mark Kent
That's the take he's paid to take. To anyone else, it's at best deeply
suspicious. Furthermore, I do not believe that MS are making a profit
on these boxes, so their division must've been through some interesting
re-organisations in order to report one.
Phil Da Lick!
Dream on. He made a statement about this year's figures based on a
projected result into next year using this year's trend. Maybe it'll
happen, maybe it won't but it hasn't yet.
Hadron
He didn't declare anyone a winner.
But we can declare you a wheener.
Look, the trend shows MS growing in the sector and the others
dropping. I know you hate that being the whining little freetard you are
but them is the facts. The whole world uses trends to predict
outcomes. Its what they are for and do. Only you could be so dumb as to
suggest they are meaningless.
And yet you soil your panties when Linux moves form 0.54 to 0.57% of the
desktop market. It's a trend! MS to go bust! etc etc.
Phil Da Lick!
> Phil Da Lick! <phil_t...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> espoused:
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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>>> ____/ Mark Kent on Sunday 03 Jan 2010 23:18 : \____
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>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>>>>>
>>>>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> | Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
>>>>> | Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
>>>>> | Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
>>>>> | sales.
>>>>> `----
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
>>>> Cool! No7! Up there with Chanel? Or was it Players?
>>> The more interesting analysis ought to look at profit. IIRC, Wii might still be the only
>>> console that makes money on purchases.
>>>
>>> Microsoft could theoretically sell its DRM-crippled console $50 and declare itself a "winner".
>> Or declare its net loss year-on-year is less than the others so
>> therefore its the biggest winner, like we have later in this thread. Sheesh!
>
> Bizarre! The funny thing is that all of the people I know who are in
> the console buying market are either buying Wii or PS3. I presume the
> OP is using US stats from a carefully selected vendor.
>
Dunno. The ppl I know are buying Wii and XB360 with PS3 a distant third.
The wii and its flagship titles flew off the shelves before christmas.
There wasnt a wii fit in any of the major retailers save one for miles
and miles.
Tom Shelton
> Phil Da Lick! <phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> espoused:
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> > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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> >> ____/ Mark Kent on Sunday 03 Jan 2010 23:18 : \____
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> >>>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
>
> >>>> ,----[ Quote ]
> >>>> | Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
> >>>> | Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
> >>>> | Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
> >>>> | sales.
> >>>> `----
>
> >>>>http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
> >>> Cool! No7! Up there with Chanel? Or was it Players?
>
> >> The more interesting analysis ought to look at profit. IIRC, Wii might still be the only
> >> console that makes money on purchases.
>
> >> Microsoft could theoretically sell its DRM-crippled console $50 and declare itself a "winner".
>
> > Or declare its net loss year-on-year is less than the others so
> > therefore its the biggest winner, like we have later in this thread. Sheesh!
>
> Bizarre! The funny thing is that all of the people I know who are in
> the console buying market are either buying Wii or PS3. I presume the
> OP is using US stats from a carefully selected vendor.
>
They could be US stats. I don't know - they came from NPD. And, Mark
- these numbers ARE not for console sales - they are for software
sales, you know games that run on the consoles.
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Tom Shelton
Hadron
Correct. It's called a trend. All the indications are growth an
dincreased profit. This is not MS going bust.
Phil Da Lick!
All very interesting I'm sure but his assertion was that MS was "the
winner" last year which clearly isn't correct.
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> On Jan 4, 8:20 am, "Phil Da Lick!">> > On Jan 4, 4:29 am, "Phil Da Lick!"
[deletia]
> From a console perspective, XBox 360 is selling more software then the
> other comparable products - PS3 and WII. What I find interesting - is
> that in cross console games, such as "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2"
> - XBox soundly kicks the ps3's butt every time.
>
> November:
>
> MW2
> 360 - 4.2 M
> PS3 - 1.87 M
>
> Assasin's Creed II
> 360 - 794,700
> PS3 - 448,400
>
> I don't own and XBox360. I have a WII and a PS2, but the fact is the
> XBox360 is a very popular machine here in the US and is doing quite
> well here, despite Roy's claims.
...I dunno.
If you look at the actual stores, it looks like the PS2 is still more
popular than the xbox 360.
Perhaps you can cherry pick a couple of titles, but across the board
the 360 still seems to be lagging behind.
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Hadron
Err it is the winner in terms of growth and promise. It is growing.
Hadron
> On 2010-01-04, Tom Shelton <tom_s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Jan 4, 8:20 am, "Phil Da Lick!"
>><phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Tom Shelton wrote:
>>> > On Jan 4, 4:29 am, "Phil Da Lick!"
>>> > <phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Tom Shelton wrote:
>
> [deletia]
>
>> From a console perspective, XBox 360 is selling more software then the
>> other comparable products - PS3 and WII. What I find interesting - is
>> that in cross console games, such as "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2"
>> - XBox soundly kicks the ps3's butt every time.
>>
>> November:
>>
>> MW2
>> 360 - 4.2 M
>> PS3 - 1.87 M
>>
>> Assasin's Creed II
>> 360 - 794,700
>> PS3 - 448,400
>>
>> I don't own and XBox360. I have a WII and a PS2, but the fact is the
>> XBox360 is a very popular machine here in the US and is doing quite
>> well here, despite Roy's claims.
>
> ...I dunno.
Correct, you don't. As usual.
>
> If you look at the actual stores, it looks like the PS2 is still more
> popular than the xbox 360.
Where? What bullshit. The PS2 probably has more installed units but its
not selling more.
>
> Perhaps you can cherry pick a couple of titles, but across the board
> the 360 still seems to be lagging behind.
What titles did he "cherry pick"? Oh! You're talking bullshit as usual!
Tom Shelton
No, not really. At this point, the trend is in their favor in almost
every way:
Comparison of console to console of the big 3
Overall market share 2009
XBox - 37%
WII - 27%
PS3 - 19%
Year-on-Year growth
XBox - +9%
WII - -5%
PS3 = +4%
By company ovarll 2009
Nintendo - 40% (27% Wii + 13% NDS)
Microsoft - 37% (xbox360)
Sony - 23% (19% ps3, 2% ps2, 2% psp)
Year-on-year growth:
Microsoft - +9%
Nintendo - -7%
Sony - -2%
All I can say is currently, MS looks like they are in the strongest
position going forward. Will that change? Maybe. I'll be happy to
discuss it next time numbers are published. I don't have any real
vested interest one way or the other - I just think its fascinating
that it is even a topic of discussion really.
--
Tom Shelton
Tom Shelton
Hmmm... PS2 titles dropped from an 8% share in 2008 to a 2% share in
2009. Seems to me the trend is the opposite.
--
Tom Shelton
Phil Da Lick!
You should try talking about it in the videogame forums. A thread like
this would go on for 6 months.
Hadron
I doubt the console kiddies are as dense as you and will see the stats
for what they are.
Hadron
You must remember Tom that Jed is of the opinion that multiple monitors
are useless and also that a modern game title takes two programmers
about 2 weeks to complete. He redefines cluelessness when it comes to
talking about entertainment SW.
nessuno
I haven't looked at the numbers lately, but Microsoft took huge losses
in developing the Xbox, and although they have made profit in the last
couple of years I don't know whether it has made up for all their
losses previously. Do you?
Even if they haven't, they may do so in the future. If so, it will be
the only success Microsoft has had outside of the traditional cash
cows of Windows+Office. The others, Windows Mobile, search, Zune,
supercomputing, etc have not been great successes.
Ballmer has been right that he needs to develop new directions, but
his track record in doing so hasn't been all that great.
Tim Smith
JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> >
> > Japan is just a niche market--according to you a few days ago.
>
> "smart phones in Japan" is not so much a niche market but an invention of
> statisticians.
>
> "Game consoles in Japan" OTOH...
His claim was based on the population of the country, not on the product
category.
--
--Tim Smith
Phil Da Lick!
They're populated by a bunch of zealotous fanboys who desperately try
and spin some kind of positive for their paymasters out of any bunch of
plain numbers. You should try them, you'd fit right in.
JEDIDIAH
Repeating a lie doesn't make it any more true.
OTOH, you can go out to your local Best Buy or Mall game shop and see
for yourself what the actual lay of the land is. Trying to cook the numbers
is just a perverse game by people that wrap their fragile egos around a
particular brand name.
Tom Shelton
I've been looking at that - and everything I can find says that in
fact they have. I can't find anything more recent then around the end
of 2006, but numbers then seemed to indicate they were actually making
around $75 a console at that point.
--
Tom Shelton
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrnhk4f1...@nomad.mishnet...
So in your mind going to a local Best Buy or the area mall is a better
representation than a global aggregation of sales figures. Wow... talk about
being out of touch and trying to cook the numbers.
JEDIDIAH
...IOW he had a good instinct on the subject but wasn't very good at
figuring out the real problem there or articulating it.
Hadron
Why am I not surprised that a disgruntled loser like you hangs out there
and knows the MO?
Remember : its you whining about MS. Not anyone else whining about their
opposition.
Personally I dont give a shit how MS do. I just know a financial report
and trend when I see one.
Hadron
What lie?
>
> OTOH, you can go out to your local Best Buy or Mall game shop and see
> for yourself what the actual lay of the land is. Trying to cook the numbers
> is just a perverse game by people that wrap their fragile egos around a
> particular brand name.
What are you talking about? There are no cooked numbers. PS2 console
sales are very low. PS2 games sales are high. Try to work out why. XBox
360 is increasing and its games are on the increase. These are not
cooked numbers and even a cursory peek into these stores shows that.
Why do you keep pulling your "facts" out of your arse?
Phil Da Lick!
Hardon's famous reading disability rears its ugly head again. I haven't
whined about anything. Couldn't give a shit either way. The conclusion
put forth is simply not [yet] supported by the facts. Simple as that.
JEDIDIAH
Let's see:
Propaganda from people I don't know and probably can't trust due to some
conflicting agenda.
versus
My own personal experience and observations.
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
More like - your own bias and lack of information combined with the fact
that entire statistical sample-set is based on one local "Best Buy" store.
versus
A professional report from people who know what they're doing who use data
aggregated from global sales.
If you're not bright enough to recognize the problem with limiting your
entire statistical sample to one local Best-Buy or mall then you're even
more clueless than previously thought.
Roy Schestowitz
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>
>
> Phil Da Lick! <phil_t...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> espoused:
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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>>>
>>>> Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
>>>>>
>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>> | Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
>>>>> | Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
>>>>> | Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
>>>>> | sales.
>>>>> `----
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
>>>> Cool! No7! Up there with Chanel? Or was it Players?
>>>
>>> The more interesting analysis ought to look at profit. IIRC, Wii might still
>>> be the only console that makes money on purchases.
>>>
>>> Microsoft could theoretically sell its DRM-crippled console $50 and declare
>>> itself a "winner".
>>
>> Or declare its net loss year-on-year is less than the others so
>> therefore its the biggest winner, like we have later in this thread. Sheesh!
>
> Bizarre! The funny thing is that all of the people I know who are in
> the console buying market are either buying Wii or PS3. I presume the
> OP is using US stats from a carefully selected vendor.
A vendor that carefully selects shops _and_ time period (e.g. during discounts), then extrapolates.
It was _AN ORDER OF A MAGNITUDE OFF_ when it comes to Linux on netbooks.
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>
>
> Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>>
>>
>>
>> ____/ Mark Kent on Monday 04 Jan 2010 12:19 : \____
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil Da Lick! <phil_t...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> espoused:
>>>> Tom Shelton wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 3, 3:02 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>>> | Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
>>>>>> | Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
>>>>>> | Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
>>>>>> | sales.
>>>>>> `----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PlayStation 3 dominates best games in 2009
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.sltrib.com/technology/ci_14066503
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last week:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft Accidentally Charges $800 for Arcade Game
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>>>>> | In all seriousness, this is certainly just
>>>>>> | an error on Microsoft's part - someone
>>>>>> | meant to type in "800 MS Points" (or $10)
>>>>>> | and ended up pricing the game at 80 times
>>>>>> | that. Let's hope it gets corrected by the
>>>>>> | time the game comes out, or the poor Polar
>>>>>> | Panic folks might find their game not
>>>>>> | selling as well as they'd hoped.
>>>>>> `----
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe true for consoles, but it looks to me that as of Nov. 2009
>>>>> Microsoft was the biggest winner really in the console software
>>>>> market. It workes out something like:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nintendo - 40% (29% wii, 11% nds)
>>>>> Microsoft - 37% (xbox 360)
>>>>> Sony - 23% (19% ps3, 2% psp, 2% ps2)
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is an overal decline for everyone except xbox. nov. 2008 looked
>>>>> like:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nintendo - 47% (34% wii, 13% nds)
>>>>> Microsoft - 28% (xbox 360)
>>>>> Sony - 25% (15% ps3, 8% ps2, 2% psp)
>>>>>
>>>>> So, maybe Roy the problem is really, that most people who want an xbox
>>>>> already have one :) Since software sales seem to indicate that it is
>>>>> the most popular of the consoles now - even outselling the wii.
>>>>
>>>> Outselling the wii? I think you need to look at those figures again.
>>>> Last time I checked 40 was bigger than 37.
>>>
>>> You need to look at where he got his stats from. I would guess that
>>> they're from a US vendor.
>>
>> The same one that told us that Linux has just 4% in sub-notebooks (NPD)?
>
> In Canada and the US, though, MS have done an exceedingly good job of
> strangling the supply of Linux-based netbooks. They're virtually
> impossible to find, and when you do find them, they get sold out in
> moments.
>
>>
>> That would be 32% (say Dell and ABI), not 4%.
>
> That's the global picture, I think, and it was previously 90%+ linux, I
> think, as Microsoft decided to discontinue Windows XP, because it was so
> old.
It not profitable. They sell it for $5 (or $6, depending on the source). There are also
kickbacks being reported.
>> Wasn't Shelton a Microsoft MVP? Either way, they are here to lie.
>>
>
> Yes, I believe he was.
And he's here pretending to be a "Gentoo user" (the good shills are l33t NIX users, for
credibility) while praising Windows and Microsoft the vast majority of the time.
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> >>> <phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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> >>>>>>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
> >>>>>>> ,----[ Quote ]
> >>>>>>> | Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
> >>>>>>> | Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
> >>>>>>> | Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
> >>>>>>> | sales.
> >>>>>>> `----
> >>>>>>>http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
> >>>>> The more interesting analysis ought to look at profit. IIRC, Wii might still be the only
> >>>>> console that makes money on purchases.
> >>>>> Microsoft could theoretically sell its DRM-crippled console $50 and declare itself a "winner".
> >>>> Or declare its net loss year-on-year is less than the others so
> >>>> therefore its the biggest winner, like we have later in this thread. Sheesh!
> >>> did not have a net loss - they had a net gain of 10% where as everyone
> >>> else - Sony (-2%) and Nintendo (-7%) experienced a net loss in market
> >>> share (software sales, not console sales).
> >> Nintendo's number is still higher than Microsoft's. That's a
> >> mathematical fact.
>
> > Sure, overall Nintendo is still 3% higher (a very small number) - but,
> > their sales are showing a strongly negative trend (-7%). Where as
> > Microsoft is showing a strongly positive trend (+10%).
>
> > Who would you rather be? The guy who has a very small overall lead,
> > but is loosing ground fast? Or the guy who is a close second, and
> > gaining on the leader at a fairly good clip?
>
> > Very simple, I would think.
>
> >>> Now, I remember why I pretty much just lurk - most of you can't reason
> >>> at all rationally when it comes to Microsoft.
> >> Speak sense instead of MS ad-speak spinmeisterisms and you might get
> >> somewhere.
>
> > LOL... if simple comparing of actual number is MS ad-speak then
>
> assuming an outcome a year from now.
But that would be insane! Using numbers and stats to make a prediction
about the future, who does this asshole think he is?
cc
> Phil Da Lick! <phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> espoused:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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> >> ____/ Mark Kent on Sunday 03 Jan 2010 23:18 : \____
>
> >>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>
> >>>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
>
> >>>> ,----[ Quote ]
> >>>> | Media Create Co. on Fri. reported that the
> >>>> | Xbox 360 sold 8,965 units between Dec. 14 and
> >>>> | Dec. 20 to rank No. 7 in overall hardware
> >>>> | sales.
> >>>> `----
>
> >>>>http://news.punchjump.com/article.php?id=9245
> >>> Cool! No7! Up there with Chanel? Or was it Players?
>
> >> The more interesting analysis ought to look at profit. IIRC, Wii might still be the only
> >> console that makes money on purchases.
>
> >> Microsoft could theoretically sell its DRM-crippled console $50 and declare itself a "winner".
>
> > Or declare its net loss year-on-year is less than the others so
> > therefore its the biggest winner, like we have later in this thread. Sheesh!
>
> the console buying market are either buying Wii or PS3. I presume the
> OP is using US stats from a carefully selected vendor.
>
Bizarre! The funny thing is that all of the people I know who are in
the console buying market are buying the XBox360 or the Wii. Maybe the
people you know, and the people I know, don't really mean shit?
Chris Ahlstrom
> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>
>>
>> Let's see:
>>
>> Propaganda from people I don't know and probably can't trust due to
>> some conflicting agenda.
>>
>> versus
>>
>> My own personal experience and observations.
>
> More like - your own bias and lack of information combined with the fact
> that entire statistical sample-set is based on one local "Best Buy" store.
>
> versus
>
> A professional report from people who know what they're doing who use data
> aggregated from global sales.
>
> If you're not bright enough to recognize the problem with limiting your
> entire statistical sample to one local Best-Buy or mall then you're even
> more clueless than previously thought.
Unfortunately, Zeke, personal experience is often *best*.
If I'd listened to Microsoft fans or to the market numbers, I would have
never gotten so deep into Linux.
In fact, around 1995 I was convinced that Microsoft was a good programming
company, and not a domineering market force.
That opinion changed.
Linux and OSS were (and still are) a big breath of fresh air, and Microsoft
imitations of that community are, I think, stale air.
--
You have a reputation for being thoroughly reliable and trustworthy.
A pity that it's totally undeserved.
Ezekiel
"Chris Ahlstrom" <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote in message
news:hhtuj3$d45$7...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>
>>>
>>> Let's see:
>>>
>>> Propaganda from people I don't know and probably can't trust due to
>>> some conflicting agenda.
>>>
>>> versus
>>>
>>> My own personal experience and observations.
>>
>> More like - your own bias and lack of information combined with the fact
>> that entire statistical sample-set is based on one local "Best Buy"
>> store.
>>
>> versus
>>
>> A professional report from people who know what they're doing who use
>> data
>> aggregated from global sales.
>>
>> If you're not bright enough to recognize the problem with limiting your
>> entire statistical sample to one local Best-Buy or mall then you're even
>> more clueless than previously thought.
>
> Unfortunately, Zeke, personal experience is often *best*.
>
> If I'd listened to Microsoft fans or to the market numbers, I would have
> never gotten so deep into Linux.
But there's a big difference. _Personal_ experience matters for _personal_
choices. Things like the OS you prefer, restaurants you like and music that
you listen to. But in JED's case he's using his "personal experience" from
his ONE local Best Buy store or the mall to come to conclusions as to how a
product is selling globally. It's not the same thing.
> In fact, around 1995 I was convinced that Microsoft was a good programming
> company, and not a domineering market force.
>
> That opinion changed.
>
> Linux and OSS were (and still are) a big breath of fresh air, and
> Microsoft
> imitations of that community are, I think, stale air.
But it doesn't change that personal experience (aka - a statistical sample
of *one*) is meaningless to make any sort of conclusion as to what global
sales/popularity of a product are.
Phil Da Lick!
That's a mile away from using that prediction to declare MS the winner
now when clearly they aren't. Nintendo still have the edge in terms of
software sales [which was the OP]... for now.
Sinister Midget III
> Ballmer has been right that he needs to develop new directions, but
> his track record in doing so hasn't been all that great.
He's already been told what direction would work best for him. That's
the one that leads to hell.
If he really wants success, he needs to listen to the advice we're all
trying to give him and neck himself. Either he doesn't want success, or
he plans on bleeding billions more before doing the deed.
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Hadron
> Ezekiel pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>
>>>
>>> Let's see:
>>>
>>> Propaganda from people I don't know and probably can't trust due to
>>> some conflicting agenda.
>>>
>>> versus
>>>
>>> My own personal experience and observations.
>>
>> More like - your own bias and lack of information combined with the fact
>> that entire statistical sample-set is based on one local "Best Buy" store.
>>
>> versus
>>
>> A professional report from people who know what they're doing who use data
>> aggregated from global sales.
>>
>> If you're not bright enough to recognize the problem with limiting your
>> entire statistical sample to one local Best-Buy or mall then you're even
>> more clueless than previously thought.
>
> Unfortunately, Zeke, personal experience is often *best*.
Oh my God.
Look : if you wish to buy something then fine - personal choice all the
way.
The accepting that these figures are real is NOT personal choice. It is
idiocy not to since they ARE Representative.
Do you ever think before sucking up?
>
> If I'd listened to Microsoft fans or to the market numbers, I would have
> never gotten so deep into Linux.
So what? This doesn't mean the PS/2 is outselling the xbox as Jed
suggests-
JEDIDIAH
...I dunno.
I see a recurring pattern here...
"everyone is buying the Wii"
That seems to fit the largest number of available facts and personal
observations.
The wannabe gamer crowd is confusing themselves with the average n00b
consumer just like they confuse themselves as WinDOS users with the average
n00b consumer.
--
|||
In a free market, the herd should be irrelevant. / | \
JEDIDIAH
...with an axe to grind.
>
>
> If you're not bright enough to recognize the problem with limiting your
> entire statistical sample to one local Best-Buy or mall then you're even
> more clueless than previously thought.
Except it's not just about "one best buy".
It's multiple of the stores in multiple locations that sell games.
That includes Frys, Best Buy, Walmart, Target, Game Stop and others.
The funny thing is that you can't even manage the obvious and simple
thing of providing a "counter-anecdote". They best you can do is to
weakly attempt an appeal to authority based on some bit of published
propaganda.
That's really sad.
chrisv
>Who would you rather be? The guy who has a very small overall lead,
>but is loosing ground fast? Or the guy who is a close second, and
>gaining on the leader at a fairly good clip?
>
>Very simple, I would think.
I would think not.
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
So you're back peddling away from your previous statement.
> It's multiple of the stores in multiple locations that sell games.
>
> That includes Frys, Best Buy, Walmart, Target, Game Stop and others.
So now you're claiming that you went to all of these stores in order to
conduct your worthless survey.
> The funny thing is that you can't even manage the obvious and simple
> thing of providing a "counter-anecdote". They best you can do is to
> weakly attempt an appeal to authority based on some bit of published
> propaganda.
Given a choice between believing the published figures of a company that
performs these sorts of surveys professionally or believing some worthless
usenet nym named JEDIDIAH - I'll believe the professionals each and every
time. Unlike you, they don't just randomly pull these numbers out of their
ass.
> That's really sad.
You expecting anyone to believe your tripe is what's sad. Your entire
argument boils down to - "Everyone else is wrong and lying. The usenet nym
named JED is right."
Roy Schestowitz
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It's very region-dependent. But the Japanese consoles rule, not just in Japan.
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Yes, if between the Almighty Mark Kent and I, we know everyone. But
since he is omniscient, I guess that would be the case. Also, the
recurring pattern would be: "everyone is buying the Wii as a companion
to another console."
> That seems to fit the largest number of available facts and personal
> observations.
>
> The wannabe gamer crowd is confusing themselves with the average n00b
> consumer just like they confuse themselves as WinDOS users with the average
> n00b consumer.
>
Well the concept of the Wii, is in fact, indisputably awesome. The
problem is, there are only a handful games worth owning right now. The
flip side is, those games are all usually in the best sellers list.
The sales figures for the games themselves posted in this thread point
to this fact. Wii game sales have fallen significantly this year,
while xbox game sales have risen. The Wii is damn cool, but I've got
all the good games for it. New games come out all the time for the PS3
and XBox. Nintendo needs the game titles to compete (and I'm sure
they'll get them, they just don't have enough yet).
As a side note, your last statement makes absolutely no sense.
JEDIDIAH
>
>
>
> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
> news:slrnhk6lk...@nomad.mishnet...
>> On 2010-01-04, Ezekiel <not-...@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>> news:slrnhk4n3...@nomad.mishnet...
>>>> On 2010-01-04, Ezekiel <not-...@the-zeke.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>>>>> news:slrnhk4f1...@nomad.mishnet...
>>>>>> On 2010-01-04, Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom Shelton <tom_s...@comcast.net> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 4, 9:48 am, JEDIDIAH <j...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-04, Tom Shelton <tom_shel...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > On Jan 4, 8:20 am, "Phil Da Lick!"
>>>>>>>>> ><phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> Tom Shelton wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > On Jan 4, 4:29 am, "Phil Da Lick!"
>>>>>>>>> >> > <phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> >> Tom Shelton wrote:
[deletia]
>>>>> about
>>>>> being out of touch and trying to cook the numbers.
>>>>
>>>> Let's see:
>>>>
>>>> Propaganda from people I don't know and probably can't trust due to
>>>> some
>>>> conflicting agenda.
>>>>
>>>> versus
>>>>
>>>> My own personal experience and observations.
>>>>
>>>
>>> More like - your own bias and lack of information combined with the fact
>>> that entire statistical sample-set is based on one local "Best Buy"
>>> store.
>>>
>>> versus
>>>
>>> A professional report from people who know what they're doing who use
>>> data
>>> aggregated from global sales.
>>
>> ...with an axe to grind.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're not bright enough to recognize the problem with limiting your
>>> entire statistical sample to one local Best-Buy or mall then you're even
>>> more clueless than previously thought.
>>
>> Except it's not just about "one best buy".
>
> So you're back peddling away from your previous statement.
Nope. You are just trying to misrepresent my previous statement.
>
>
>
>> It's multiple of the stores in multiple locations that sell games.
>>
>> That includes Frys, Best Buy, Walmart, Target, Game Stop and others.
>
> So now you're claiming that you went to all of these stores in order to
> conduct your worthless survey.
What? The INCREDIBLE claim that I GO SHOPPING?
GASP! What will these loony Linux users be claiming next!
[deletia]
You know. Not all of us just spend all day in mom's basement. Some of us
actually get out and go to the mall or perhaps even go to other cities or
even other countries.
Mebbe I should scan one of my JR day passes...
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Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
You leaving your moms basement and going to the mall is irrelevant.
According to you - professional companies who measure usage and sales of
video games are all lying and "cooking the numbers" and people shouldn't
believe them. Instead we should all simply take the word of some ignorant
usenet wanker who calls himself "JEDIDIAH" and believe what you say.
Anyone who believes your BS sales claims based on what you saw at the mall
over the detailed figures released by a research firm is an idiot. And then
again - you probably believe your own BS.
JEDIDIAH
>
>
> On Jan 5, 10:13 am, JEDIDIAH <j...@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> On 2010-01-04, cc <scatnu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 4, 11:52 am, Mark Kent <mark.k...@demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> Phil Da Lick! <phil_the_l...@SPAMMERSKISSMYARSE.hotmail.com> espoused:
>>
>> >> > Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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>> >> >> ____/ Mark Kent on Sunday 03 Jan 2010 23:18 : \____
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>> >> >>> Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>>
>> >> >>>> Xbox 360 sales tepid, stable in Japan
>
[deletia]
>> The wannabe gamer crowd is confusing themselves with the average n00b
>> consumer just like they confuse themselves as WinDOS users with the average
>> n00b consumer.
>>
>
> Well the concept of the Wii, is in fact, indisputably awesome. The
> problem is, there are only a handful games worth owning right now. The
> flip side is, those games are all usually in the best sellers list.
> The sales figures for the games themselves posted in this thread point
> to this fact. Wii game sales have fallen significantly this year,
> while xbox game sales have risen. The Wii is damn cool, but I've got
> all the good games for it. New games come out all the time for the PS3
> and XBox. Nintendo needs the game titles to compete (and I'm sure
> they'll get them, they just don't have enough yet).
>
> As a side note, your last statement makes absolutely no sense.
You are remarkably less representative and relevant than you think you are.
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new version of the relevant shovelware is released.
JEDIDIAH
What's so earth shattering about that?
Some of us have actually worked for companies like that. Often such
companies are on the payroll of a particular company or have an axe to
grind.
> believe them. Instead we should all simply take the word of some ignorant
> usenet wanker who calls himself "JEDIDIAH" and believe what you say.
Trust your own observations.
You don't have to trust in any appeals to authority.
[deletia]
Why hasn't some cult snatched you up yet with the sort of mindest you have?
Ezekiel
"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
So in your little brain because published reports on *global* sales don't
match up with what you observed in the 20 minutes you were at your local
Walmart you conclude that these published reports are false and somehow
these companies must be getting bribed or something. You really need to get
your head examined. You're certifiably insane.
>
> [deletia]
>
> Why hasn't some cult snatched you up yet with the sort of mindest you
> have?
You mean the way the Linux cult swept you away? No thanks - I prefer to
reason using logic.
cc
Fact: Wii game sales have fallen significantly.
Fact: Xbox game sales have risen.
Fact: I am completely irrelevant.
Fact: I am fairly representative.
Fact: Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 sold 4.7 million copies and made
$310 million in one day. Version Not available on wii
Fact: No Wii game has ever come even close to that.
Fact: 1226 games available for the xbox, 893 games available for wii
(includes games available on all old nintendo consoles).
Fact: You can play supernintendo mario kart on the wii, fucking sweet.
Opinion: The Wii is the coolest console out there.
I don't even know what you're trying to argue anymore. That the Wii is
crushing the Xbox? Well all facts point to that not being the case
currently. That the Wii is in a strong position? Possibly, but not as
strong as it was, and the Xbox is catching up. I'm not saying I'm
right about WHY the Wii sales have fallen so dramatically, I'm just
offering up an opinion and backing it up. But the fact is, Wii is
trending down, PS3 is trending down, Xbox is trending up, in terms of
game sales.
So are you saying that the figures on game sales are incorrect? That
it's not possible that the Wii could be cool and popular, but still be
trending down in game sales? The xbox is not superior hardware, it
just has superior games.
Hadron
It is way superior HW. I am surprised, but theres little in it between
the XBox and the PS3. And as a proud owner of a PS3 now I can tell that
it is a very cool machine-
cc
>
>
> It is way superior HW. I am surprised, but theres little in it between
> the XBox and the PS3. And as a proud owner of a PS3 now I can tell that
> it is a very cool machine-
How is it superior? No blu-ray like PS3. No cool motion detection, etc
like Wii. Better graphics than Wii, but about the same as PS3. Red-
ring of death, unlike PS3 or Wii, which I haven't heard of having any
significant problems.
JEDIDIAH
[deletia]
>>> believe them. Instead we should all simply take the word of some ignorant
>>> usenet wanker who calls himself "JEDIDIAH" and believe what you say.
>>
>> Trust your own observations.
>>
>> You don't have to trust in any appeals to authority.
>
> So in your little brain because published reports on *global* sales don't
> match up with what you observed in the 20 minutes you were at your local
> Walmart you conclude that these published reports are false and somehow
Yup. If some sort of talking head tells you something and you see some
thing different then it's time to doubt the talking head. This is what
separates us from chimps and peasants.
The correct response to this skepticism is to find more data, not to
merely put all of your blind faith in the talking head in question.
[deletia]
Have fun with your friends in the Church of Gates.
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DFS
> Linux and OSS were (and still are) a big breath of fresh air, and
> Microsoft imitations of that community are, I think, stale air.
Then quit making a living with their products, wanker.
Hadron
Faster, higher resolutions etc. No cool motion detector no. But that
about it. As for blu ray? So what. Does a Wii come with it? ONly heard
of red ring of death in COLA:
Phil Da Lick!
> ONly heard
> of red ring of death in COLA:
You cannot be serious.
Hadron
No. Really. Maybe here there was a "Good set" amongst my friends and
colleagues. I don't know anyone with a faulty unit (if that's what it
is),
But since I don't fixate and dream of MS failure and never owned one I
wouldn't really know since people rarely admit to buying mistakes.
Phil Da Lick!
> "Phil Da Lick!" <phil_t...@REMOVETHISSPAMTRAP.hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> ONly heard
>>> of red ring of death in COLA:
>> You cannot be serious.
>
> No. Really. Maybe here there was a "Good set" amongst my friends and
> colleagues. I don't know anyone with a faulty unit (if that's what it
> is),
RROD on google, first page (of many) alone:
wikipedia
teamxbox
thinktechno.com
instructables.com
squidoo.com
gamefaqs.com
guardian.co.uk
There's some nice pictures of it too.
Haven't heard of some of those sites but is looks like news has
definitely spread beyond cola. Fancy that.
Hadron
Why are you not advocating Linux? The xbox seems to get your panties in a
mess.
Phil Da Lick!
You first, "True Linux Advocate".
And for the record, I like my XBox and am glad MS' presence in the
industry has given Nintendo the kick up the arse it needed. Competition
is good. I don't however sell my soul to it and deny reality. Then
again, I'm not on the payroll.
Hadron
I frequently do.
>
> And for the record, I like my XBox and am glad MS' presence in the
> industry has given Nintendo the kick up the arse it needed. Competition
> is good. I don't however sell my soul to it and deny reality. Then
> again, I'm not on the payroll.
What payroll? Where am I shilling the xbox? I have a PS3.
You sure talk some nonsense.
Phil Da Lick!
LMAO
>> And for the record, I like my XBox and am glad MS' presence in the
>> industry has given Nintendo the kick up the arse it needed. Competition
>> is good. I don't however sell my soul to it and deny reality. Then
>> again, I'm not on the payroll.
>
> What payroll? Where am I shilling the xbox? I have a PS3.
>
> You sure talk some nonsense.
This from Mr. "RROD only in cola". Another classic.
Hadron
If that "LMAO" was not so patently bullshit you might have a point. I
can categorically state that I advocate Linux more than most "advocates"
put together. I have frequently listed my favorite Linux based OSS and
frequently justified why I use what I use and extolled the virtues of
certain techniques or programs. Frequently. Your refusal to see this
marks you for the blind fool you can often be.
Clearly you're another snow blinded moron who only sees Koehlmann type
nonsense where they keep screaming that I dont use Linu etc because I
acknowledge the issues. EVERY time I have mentioned an issue I have
backed it up with facts. The COLA faithful just yell "liar liar pants on
fire works for me etc etc".
>
>>> And for the record, I like my XBox and am glad MS' presence in the
>>> industry has given Nintendo the kick up the arse it needed. Competition
>>> is good. I don't however sell my soul to it and deny reality. Then
>>> again, I'm not on the payroll.
>>
>> What payroll? Where am I shilling the xbox? I have a PS3.
>>
>> You sure talk some nonsense.
>
> This from Mr. "RROD only in cola". Another classic.
Huh? Are you picking on a typo to support your claim that anyone is on a
payroll here?
Listen up Freetard : you're the one with an XBox. Not me. You're the
one who uses Windows for work. Not me.