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NEWS - Hans Reiser, Found GUILTY of first degree murder. Open Source fallout begins.

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Ezekiel

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Apr 29, 2008, 1:29:04 PM4/29/08
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/29/BAKU10DLNG.DTL&tsp=1

"Computer programmer Hans Reiser was arrogant while testifying in his murder
trial and never showed any compassion for his estranged wife, one of many
factors that led to his conviction on first-degree murder, a member of the
jury said today."

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8647

"Reiser FS: The open source file system fallout"

SuSE and Debian use ReiserFS version 3, a stable and proven version of the
code that has been sitting mostly fallow for some time, and is maintained
with bugfixes on a best effort basis. Prior to the whirlwind and highly
publicized trial, Hans Reiser and his small team were working on Reiser4,
but much of this development grinded to a halt due to his legal woes, and
the project is more than likely to die an unfortunate death by virtue of its
lead programmer having to serve a minimum 25 year life sentence in prison.

From the SuSE and Debian perspective, this is an obviously unacceptable
state of affairs. The OpenSuSE project has already moved its distribution to
use the ext3 file system, the most common one used on Linux systems.
However, it is far from the fastest and most reliable of the Linux file
systems and development of its replacement ext4, is also underway. Ted Ts'o,
one of the original programmers of ext3 and its predecessor, ext2, is
leading the ext4 project, and is employed by IBM. ext4 shows a great deal of
promise, but it is unlikely that the main commercial enterprise
distributions - such as RHEL and SLES - will adopt its initial release for
production use.


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SomeBloke

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Apr 29, 2008, 1:37:20 PM4/29/08
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Ezekiel wrote:

Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?

Mentohl

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Apr 29, 2008, 1:40:18 PM4/29/08
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SomeBloke wrote:

> Gary Ezekiel Flatfish wrote:

"The OpenSuSE project has already moved its distribution to
use the ext3 file system"

> Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?

You are correct in stating that a body has not been found ..

ray

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Apr 29, 2008, 1:42:34 PM4/29/08
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:29:04 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/29/


BAKU10DLNG.DTL&tsp=1
>
> "Computer programmer Hans Reiser was arrogant while testifying in his
> murder trial and never showed any compassion for his estranged wife, one
> of many factors that led to his conviction on first-degree murder, a
> member of the jury said today."
>
>
>
>
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8647
>
> "Reiser FS: The open source file system fallout"
>
> SuSE and Debian use ReiserFS version 3, a stable and proven version of
> the code that has been sitting mostly fallow for some time, and is
> maintained with bugfixes on a best effort basis. Prior to the whirlwind
> and highly publicized trial, Hans Reiser and his small team were working
> on Reiser4, but much of this development grinded to a halt due to his
> legal woes, and the project is more than likely to die an unfortunate
> death by virtue of its lead programmer having to serve a minimum 25 year
> life sentence in prison.

Why is that? I should think he would have plenty of time to work on it!

Ezekiel

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Apr 29, 2008, 1:47:40 PM4/29/08
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"ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote in message
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All kidding aside - why can't he continue to work on Reiser FS?

- He'll have plenty of time.
- He would truly be doing this because it's something he's interested in.
- He'll need something to do to pass the time.
- By all accounts Reiser is a smart person. He'll need something to keep
his mind active.

Is there some sort of new rule or regulation that prohibits prisoners from
using computers?

Ezekiel

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Apr 29, 2008, 1:49:01 PM4/29/08
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"SomeBloke" <st...@stuff.com> wrote in message
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Correct. No body has been found. (5 seconds with Google would confirm this.)

Is this relevant and if not, why do you ask?

Hadron

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Apr 29, 2008, 1:52:17 PM4/29/08
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SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:

Am I correct in stating that you didn't think to read the article?

This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
opinion.

Ezekiel

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Apr 29, 2008, 1:58:22 PM4/29/08
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"Mentohl" <doug_m...@linuxmail.org> wrote in message
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> SomeBloke wrote:
>
> > Gary Ezekiel Flatfish wrote:
>
> "The OpenSuSE project has already moved its distribution to
> use the ext3 file system"

Great. And all of the existing customers/users that are running ReiserFS
will no longer be receiving updates, bug fixes or enhancements. The Reiser
FS they use is now becoming obsolete fast forcing them to migrate their data
to another file system that is going to be supported.

>> Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?
>
> You are correct in stating that a body has not been found ..

Ezekiel

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Apr 29, 2008, 1:59:53 PM4/29/08
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"Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Many of the linux "advocates" talk first, then read later.

> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of
> Roy Schestowitz in my opinion.

Definitely. It's just a matter of time before Roy Schestowitz gets arrested
for mailing letter-bombs to Microsoft or something.

Moshe Goldfarb

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Apr 29, 2008, 2:00:46 PM4/29/08
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He certainly has several:

1. Narcissistic.
2. Basement dweller (the police caught him hiding in his mother's basement)
3. Sponging off his parents ( see #2)
4. Obsessed with Linux.
5. In total denial.
6. A liar.

I suppose violent is one trait Roy Schesotwitz and Hans Reiser don't have
in common though.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Alexander Terekhov

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Apr 29, 2008, 2:01:07 PM4/29/08
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Ezekiel wrote:
[...]

> Is there some sort of new rule or regulation that prohibits prisoners from
> using computers?

Below is the rules for "Corrections Victoria" prisoners in Australia.

I suspect that rules for prisoners in US aren't that much different.

Funny:

"Approved Software

Approved software must meet the following criteria:

legitimate licensed software, in accordance with copyright law

Microsoft Windows compatible

Microsoft Office programs only"

Man oh man.

http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/DOJ+Internet/Home/Prisons/Prisoners/Property/JUSTICE+-+Personal+Computers+in+Prison

------
Personal Computers in Prison
Can prisoners have their own computer?
Corrections Victoria may allow prisoners to have a personal computer in
their cell. If a prisoner needs to prepare for a legal case, is
participating in an education program or can show that a computer would
benefit their sentence plan or rehabilitation, then they can apply for
permission to purchase a computer.

Access to a computer in the cells of prisoners is a privilege, not a
right, for all prisoners. Prisoners who can demonstrate a need for a
computer must make an application to purchase a computer, be able to pay
for the purchase of an approved computer and software, and abide by the
rules regarding computer use and restrictions on software and games. In
addition, the prisoner must maintain good conduct and obey prison rules.
If a prisoner is found guilty of an offence in prison, then access to
the computer may be withdrawn for up to 12 months.

A prisoner who is preparing for a court case can still lose access to
their ‘in-cell’ computer if they are found guilty of an offence, and be
provided access to a computer only in supervised areas.

Who can apply for a computer?
Corrections Victoria will consider applications for an ‘in-cell’
computer for three main reasons:

Legal – if a prisoner will be involved in a legal case, an outstanding
matter or an appeal, and can demonstrate that they need a computer in
order to help them prepare for their defence;
Educational/Training – if a prisoner has approval to take part in an
educational program for which they need access to an ‘in-cell’computer;
Integration needs – if a prisoner has special needs and could be
assisted by using a computer, for instance difficulty in writing
legibly, then their application will be considered. An application for a
computer to assist a prisoner in rehabilitation and integration back
into the community at the end of their sentence will also be considered.
What is the process?
Prisoners apply in writing to prison management to request permission
for a personal computer. Recommendations regarding the application are
made by a committee, with input from prison staff, and advice from
program or education staff, or legal representatives depending on why
the prisoner has applied for a computer.

The prisoner’s behaviour and work record are considered. The type of
accommodation in which the computer would be housed is also taken into
account, where it may affect safety and security of the prison or the
public.

When considering an application for a computer, Corrections Victoria
staff assess whether there is any conflict between computer use and the
prisoner addressing their offending behaviour. For instance if the
prisoner used a computer in the commission of a crime, then the risks
involved in providing that prisoner with a computer in their cell would
have to be evaluated.

The health and well being of prisoners is important at all times – so if
the prisoner was felt to be ‘at risk’ at any time, then access to the
computer would be removed immediately.

Generally, once the education course or legal proceeding for which the
prisoner needed the computer is finished, the computer will be stored
with the prisoner’s property, or can be forwarded out of the prison.
However, if the prisoner continues to abide by the conditions set for
computer access and general prison rules, then continued access to the
computer may be granted.

How is the computer paid for?
Once permission has been granted for the purchase of a computer, the
prisoner signs a Computer Agreement, accepting the rules, restrictions
and responsibilities associated with having an ‘in-cell’ computer. The
prisoner must place enough money in their Private Monies Account to
cover:

all the costs of buying the computer
the installation of a smoke detector in their cell
protection of all computer equipment from electrical power surges by a
‘surge diverter’ or ‘spike’
approved hardware and software - purchased through prison administration
on the prisoner’s behalf
computer maintenance and repair - carried out by professionals
authorised by Corrections Victoria.
Computer equipment and software can only enter and exit the prison via
the prison store, and be handled by authorised stores staff, unless it
is being transferred between prisons. Freight costs associated with
these purchases are paid for by Corrections Victoria. Prisoners also
sign an indemnity for liability form relating to any damage to the
computer hardware, software or information stored on the computer, and
any refusal of access to the computer or software. Where Corrections
Victoria accepts a liability for any loss, damage or destruction of
hardware or software it will pay a maximum of $250.

Are there restrictions on the sort of computers can prisoners have?
There are some very strict guidelines on what hardware and software a
prisoner may access. Because technology changes very rapidly, guidelines
on computer hardware and software are reviewed every six months.

Laptop computers are completely banned in prisons in Victoria for the
following reasons:

they pose a security threat because they can easily be moved from cell
to cell without detection
they are potentially highly tradeable and valuable
there would be difficulty protecting such an expensive item from being
dropped or damaged
the ability to have ‘wireless fidelity’ (Wi-Fi) attachments or software
installed
the difficulty in obtaining laptops that comply with the restrictions
imposed by Corrections Victoria Computer Policy.
Approved Hardware
To be approved for purchase for a prisoner, computer hardware must be:

desk-top with a limit of three drive bay slots
a single processor CPU only
single hard disk drive only with maximum of 80 GB
maximum of 1024 MB RAM
take standard 3.5” floppy (1.44 MB)
single IDE, CD or DVD ROM drive only
maximum of 128 MB video card
one keyboard
standard wheel mouse
maximum 3 piece speaker system, including sub-woofer
monitor up to 17”, including flat screen or plasma options
must be able to be dismantled for inspection
black ink printers only
Prohibited Hardware
The following hardware is not allowed in prisons:

laptop and handheld computer technology
wireless networking (Centrino) technology is prohibited
'Wireless Fidelity' (Wi-Fi), attachments or software
USB flash hard-drive devise and MP3 players
CD and DVD burners
video capture and TV option video cards
remote access type sound cards or microphones
infrared or cordless keyboards
infrared mouse or cordless mouse
modems or any device enabling the computer to connect to internet,
television or telecommunication networks
colour printers (colour cartridges may be removed from printers enabling
only black and white printing).
Approved Software
Approved software must meet the following criteria:

legitimate licensed software, in accordance with copyright law
Microsoft Windows compatible
Microsoft Office programs only
specific programs provided or supported by the Education Provider for
use in study course or program
disability support software or hardware – e.g. voice recognition for
visually impaired users.
Prisoners apply to purchase software, and once the purchase is approved,
it is handled by prison stores. Games are labelled as the property of
the prisoner, and are not allowed to be swapped, sold or lent to other
prisoners.

Prohibited Software
The following items are banned:

access to games rated above M15+
use of encryption software
use of duplication software
use of virtual drive software
‘Wireless Fidelity’ (Wi-Fi) software
Electronic Games Consoles
At the discretion of the General Manager, prisoners may be permitted to
use electronic games consoles. The console and any software may only be
purchased through the prison shop. As with personal computers, games
consoles with the capacity to connect to telecommunication networks,
such as PlayStation 2 are not permitted.

Games Software
The following restrictions apply to games software in prisons:

‘G’ rated interactive electronic games – General, suitable for all ages
access to interactive electronic games rated above ‘G’ but no higher
than M15+ (mature suitable for persons 15 years and over) is at the
discretion of prison management
games rated M15+ are not allowed under any circumstances
prisoners are not allowed access to interactive electronic games
containing gratuitous violence, pornography or explicit sexual material.
What happens to the computer if a prisoner is transferred?
If a prisoner is granted permission to have a computer in their cell,
when transferred this approval will apply to any other Corrections
Victoria Prison, provided that the prisoner continues to abide by all
the guidelines. If a prisoner is being transferred interstate, then they
must apply in writing and meet the criteria set by that state for an
‘in-cell’ computer.

Other guidelines/operating environment
All aspects of a prisoner’s ownership and use of a computer are strictly
monitored. Prisoners may have a maximum of ten floppy disks and ten CD
ROM disks for use. Prisoners buy replacement disks from the prison shop
on an exchange basis, with the full disks being stored with the
prisoner’s property. A register of the prisoner’s hardware and software
is kept, and checked regularly to ensure that no unauthorised additions,
deletions or transfers have occurred.

Transfer of hardware, software or information amongst prisoners or
between prisoners and the community is not permitted. In the interests
of safety and security, some strict guidelines are applied:

materials for education courses are monitored by the Education Centre to
adhere with prison guidelines
any external communication for the purposes of education, either through
a computer disk or modem, occurs under strict supervision
prisoners involved in a trial may receive transcripts relating to their
current trial only. Disks will only be accepted either directly from the
court or the prisoner’s legal representatives, and disks and CD ROMS
will be checked by staff.

Copyright Act 1968 and Copyright Amendment (Digital Agenda) Act 2000
Copyright law protects the intellectual property rights of those who
develop and distribute things like computer software and music. Fines
for breaches of copyright can be up to $250,000 for organisations or
$50,000 for individuals and/or six months imprisonment. Copying any
software, or music such as CDs or tapes, is an infringement of
copyright, even if the person making the copy owns the original
material. Prisoners may not keep any copied CDs or have any blank or
recordable CDs.
------

regards,
alexander.

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Ezekiel

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"Alexander Terekhov" <tere...@web.de> wrote in message
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>
> Ezekiel wrote:
> [...]
>> Is there some sort of new rule or regulation that prohibits prisoners
>> from
>> using computers?
>
> Below is the rules for "Corrections Victoria" prisoners in Australia.
>
> I suspect that rules for prisoners in US aren't that much different.
>
> Funny:
>
> "Approved Software
>
> Approved software must meet the following criteria:
>
> legitimate licensed software, in accordance with copyright law
>
> Microsoft Windows compatible
>
> Microsoft Office programs only"
>
> Man oh man.

That's because forcing criminals to use linux would be..... Cruel and
unusual punishment!!!!

> http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/DOJ+Internet/Home/Prisons/Prisoners/Property/JUSTICE+-+Personal+Computers+in+Prison
>
> ------
> Personal Computers in Prison
> Can prisoners have their own computer?
> Corrections Victoria may allow prisoners to have a personal computer in
> their cell. If a prisoner needs to prepare for a legal case, is
> participating in an education program or can show that a computer would
> benefit their sentence plan or rehabilitation, then they can apply for
> permission to purchase a computer.
>
> Access to a computer in the cells of prisoners is a privilege, not a
> right, for all prisoners. Prisoners who can demonstrate a need for a
> computer must make an application to purchase a computer, be able to pay
> for the purchase of an approved computer and software, and abide by the
> rules regarding computer use and restrictions on software and games. In
> addition, the prisoner must maintain good conduct and obey prison rules.
> If a prisoner is found guilty of an offence in prison, then access to
> the computer may be withdrawn for up to 12 months.
>
> A prisoner who is preparing for a court case can still lose access to
> their 'in-cell' computer if they are found guilty of an offence, and be
> provided access to a computer only in supervised areas.
>
> Who can apply for a computer?
> Corrections Victoria will consider applications for an 'in-cell'
> computer for three main reasons:
>

> Legal - if a prisoner will be involved in a legal case, an outstanding


> matter or an appeal, and can demonstrate that they need a computer in
> order to help them prepare for their defence;

> Educational/Training - if a prisoner has approval to take part in an


> educational program for which they need access to an 'in-cell'computer;

> Integration needs - if a prisoner has special needs and could be


> assisted by using a computer, for instance difficulty in writing
> legibly, then their application will be considered. An application for a
> computer to assist a prisoner in rehabilitation and integration back
> into the community at the end of their sentence will also be considered.
> What is the process?
> Prisoners apply in writing to prison management to request permission
> for a personal computer. Recommendations regarding the application are
> made by a committee, with input from prison staff, and advice from
> program or education staff, or legal representatives depending on why
> the prisoner has applied for a computer.
>
> The prisoner's behaviour and work record are considered. The type of
> accommodation in which the computer would be housed is also taken into
> account, where it may affect safety and security of the prison or the
> public.
>
> When considering an application for a computer, Corrections Victoria
> staff assess whether there is any conflict between computer use and the
> prisoner addressing their offending behaviour. For instance if the
> prisoner used a computer in the commission of a crime, then the risks
> involved in providing that prisoner with a computer in their cell would
> have to be evaluated.
>

> The health and well being of prisoners is important at all times - so if

> disability support software or hardware - e.g. voice recognition for


> visually impaired users.
> Prisoners apply to purchase software, and once the purchase is approved,
> it is handled by prison stores. Games are labelled as the property of
> the prisoner, and are not allowed to be swapped, sold or lent to other
> prisoners.
>
> Prohibited Software
> The following items are banned:
>
> access to games rated above M15+
> use of encryption software
> use of duplication software
> use of virtual drive software
> 'Wireless Fidelity' (Wi-Fi) software
> Electronic Games Consoles
> At the discretion of the General Manager, prisoners may be permitted to
> use electronic games consoles. The console and any software may only be
> purchased through the prison shop. As with personal computers, games
> consoles with the capacity to connect to telecommunication networks,
> such as PlayStation 2 are not permitted.
>
> Games Software
> The following restrictions apply to games software in prisons:
>

> 'G' rated interactive electronic games - General, suitable for all ages

SomeBloke

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Apr 29, 2008, 2:10:37 PM4/29/08
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Hadron wrote:

> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>

<snip>

>>
>> Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?
>
> Am I correct in stating that you didn't think to read the article?
>
> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
> opinion.

You totally brain dead WANKER.

Moshe Goldfarb

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Apr 29, 2008, 2:19:57 PM4/29/08
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:01:07 +0200, Alexander Terekhov wrote:

>
> Below is the rules for "Corrections Victoria" prisoners in Australia.
>
> I suspect that rules for prisoners in US aren't that much different.
>
> Funny:
>
> "Approved Software
>
> Approved software must meet the following criteria:
>
> legitimate licensed software, in accordance with copyright law
>
> Microsoft Windows compatible
>
> Microsoft Office programs only"
>
> Man oh man.
>
> http://www.justice.vic.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/DOJ+Internet/Home/Prisons/Prisoners/Property/JUSTICE+-+Personal+Computers+in+Prison

Making a Linux nut case like Reiser use Windows is probably the equivalent
of "water-boarding".

Get ready for the "cruel and unusual punishment" suits to be filed!

Hahahahahaha!

Ezekiel

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"SomeBloke" <st...@stuff.com> wrote in message
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"Dead" seems to be a common thread amongst linux circles lately.

Hadron

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Apr 29, 2008, 2:23:32 PM4/29/08
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"Ezekiel" <a...@b.com> writes:

What so he can groom another Eastern European woman on the net and
murder her in a gristly fashion?

He is going to prison to be punished - not as a free replacement for his
mothers basement.

Hadron

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Apr 29, 2008, 2:25:44 PM4/29/08
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"Ezekiel" <a...@b.com> writes:

You can tell from his sniffy tone that he thinks he's Petrocelli. Wait
for the "no body no crime" calls from COLAs nuttier section. A bit like
no web stats no market share ....

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Hadron

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SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:

So you didn't read the article? And you call me brain dead? Fuck off you
posturing twit.

Hadron

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Apr 29, 2008, 2:28:00 PM4/29/08
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Moshe Goldfarb <brick....@gmail.com> writes:

He once suggested that he would castrate a troll.

William Poaster

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Apr 29, 2008, 2:25:29 PM4/29/08
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Another slanderous statement from Quack noted.

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Hadron

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William Poaster <w...@leafnode.AMD64.eu> writes:

> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:10:37 +0100, SomeBloke wrote:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?
>>>
>>> Am I correct in stating that you didn't think to read the article?
>>>
>>> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
>>> opinion.
>>
>> You totally brain dead WANKER.
>
> Another slanderous statement from Quack noted.

Poor Willy - if it was anything it would libellous. But what part about
him being a social misfit who spends too long with a computer do you
disagree with?

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chrisv

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Apr 29, 2008, 2:56:01 PM4/29/08
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William Poaster wrote:

> SomeBloke wrote:


>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
>>> opinion.
>>
>> You totally brain dead WANKER.
>
>Another slanderous statement from Quack noted.

A new low for the Quack asshole shithead scumbag.

chrisv

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Apr 29, 2008, 2:57:13 PM4/29/08
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SomeBloke wrote:

>You totally brain dead WANKER.

Just KF the piece of shit. You like reading his garbage?

SomeBloke

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:00:07 PM4/29/08
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Hadron wrote:

> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?
>>>
>>> Am I correct in stating that you didn't think to read the article?
>>>
>>> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
>>> opinion.
>>
>> You totally brain dead WANKER.
>
> So you didn't read the article? And you call me brain dead? Fuck off you
> posturing twit.
>

Oh dear Hardon, lost the use of your limited IQ again? Ah Gary, poor little
lad, you don't appear to realise that you are regarded with contempt by
everyone who unfortunately reads your moronic posts.

The article is an irrelevance, as are you.

Tim Smith

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:05:24 PM4/29/08
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In article <10uurdt3e6bub.1hljdiixdxhv4$.d...@40tude.net>,
Moshe Goldfarb <brick....@gmail.com> wrote:
> 4. Obsessed with Linux.

What makes you think Reiser was obsessed with Linux? Writing a good
filesystem does not imply obsession.

--
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Moshe Goldfarb

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:05:43 PM4/29/08
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Good one....

Hadron

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:06:21 PM4/29/08
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SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:

All very wordy, but ultimately you say nothing. As I pointed out in
another reply your own self regard is sadly let down by the emptiness of
your statements. The article *is* relevant you retard because it answered
your rather ridiculous question about the body. Seriously, you're not
HPT under another nym are you? Do ask if you need anything else
answering or explaining.

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chrisv

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:11:03 PM4/29/08
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>Hadron puked:

>>
>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
>>>> opinion.
>>>
>>> You totally brain dead WANKER.
>>
>> So you didn't read the article?

I did, and saw NOTHING that could REMOTELY lead to the comment you
made about Roy.

>> And you call me brain dead?

Personally, I'd call you a stinking piece of shit, Quack, but it seems
inadequate to describe how vile and loathsome you are.

>> Fuck off you posturing twit.

Oh yeah, SomeBlike is the "bad guy" here, not you, huh Quack?

Die and burn in hell, you fscking scumbag.

Ezekiel

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:14:18 PM4/29/08
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"Hadron" <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:fv7rje$r4$1...@registered.motzarella.org...

Since the main argument that Reiser's defense used is "there's no body"
SomeBloak must be some fool not to know this. I can't think of a single
article that I've read about the Reiser trial that doesn't mention that the
body was never found.

The sad part of all this is the young children. They did nothing wrong and
first daddy killed their mother and now daddy is going away for 25 to life.
It's going to be really tough for them growing up and tough again once
they're old enough to realize/comprehend what happened.


> --
> It's simply unbelievable how much energy and creativity people have
> invested into creating contradictory, bogus and stupid licenses...
> -- - Sven Rudolph about licences in debian/non-free.

Ezekiel

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"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:rase14tr7skit3g0q...@4ax.com...


chrisv the idiot wrote:

> Personally, I'd call you a stinking piece of shit, Quack, but it seems
> inadequate to describe how vile and loathsome you are.

> Die and burn in hell, you fscking scumbag.

Yeah... Quark is "vile and loathsome" and he's the one with the problem.
Thank goodness that you're so normal and well adjusted.

Hadron

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:23:03 PM4/29/08
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"Ezekiel" <a...@b.com> writes:

He really is quite a nasty, slimy individual is our "original"
chrisv. No wonder COLA does so much for Linux advocacy.

It's interesting to read this thread to see just how dim the "original"
chrisv is.

Him and "somebloke" could form a stupid club.

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these advocates were related to Nostradamus!

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:23:07 PM4/29/08
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Tim Smith wrote:

What makes you think that the Flatfish/"Moshe" pathological liar is
capable of being honest?

Let me guess: his points 1, 2 and 3 were also bald-faced lies.

Moshe Goldfarb

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:25:15 PM4/29/08
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Interesting...

SomeBloke

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:30:52 PM4/29/08
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Hadron wrote:

> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:

>> Oh dear Hardon, lost the use of your limited IQ again? Ah Gary, poor
>> little lad, you don't appear to realise that you are regarded with
>> contempt by everyone who unfortunately reads your moronic posts.
>>
>> The article is an irrelevance, as are you.
>
> All very wordy, but ultimately you say nothing. As I pointed out in
> another reply your own self regard is sadly let down by the emptiness of
> your statements. The article *is* relevant you retard because it answered
> your rather ridiculous question about the body. Seriously, you're not
> HPT under another nym are you? Do ask if you need anything else
> answering or explaining.
>

It's not the first time you have stupidly mistaken me for High Plains
Thumper. Is it because you are of limited intelligence or are YOU
a 'retard'?

As to my initial question, it was a straightforward enquiry that anyone
without extensive knowledge of or interest in the subject might ask. Why
should I read in full an extremely opinionated article on what is to me a
foreign newspaper website that publishes the views of a juror.

You appear to think that we should all bow down in deference to your
opinions, what a sad little life you must lead.

You've succeeded in boring me again.

Moshe Goldfarb

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:37:39 PM4/29/08
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/localnews/detail?blogid=37&entry_id=25659

Read down:

"Reiser was obsessed with the 30% that couldn't be read in Reiser4, rather
than the main point of the testimony, which is a self-admitted computer
geek turned off his machine the same day he appeared nervous at his kids'
school, on a day he didn't have custody, and didn't turn it on after that
time."

http://the-edge.blogspot.com/2008/03/empathy-for-hans-reiser.html

"From his reputation, Reiser is a brilliant man, working on a brilliant -
or possibly daft - set of ideas in direct competition with a company that
had spent billions - and written them off - on the same task. A man so
obsessed by those ideas, that it financially ruined him, his wife left him
for his best friend, who is now missing or dead, his kids taken from him in
part because he's a murder suspect, who just spent spent 16 pre-trial
months in jail because he had no money to raise bail, his company destroyed
by this, and few, if any, friends left, today is facing The System."


Sounds obsessed with Linux/Resier FS to me....

Hadron

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Apr 29, 2008, 3:38:21 PM4/29/08
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SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>
>>> Oh dear Hardon, lost the use of your limited IQ again? Ah Gary, poor
>>> little lad, you don't appear to realise that you are regarded with
>>> contempt by everyone who unfortunately reads your moronic posts.
>>>
>>> The article is an irrelevance, as are you.
>>
>> All very wordy, but ultimately you say nothing. As I pointed out in
>> another reply your own self regard is sadly let down by the emptiness of
>> your statements. The article *is* relevant you retard because it answered
>> your rather ridiculous question about the body. Seriously, you're not
>> HPT under another nym are you? Do ask if you need anything else
>> answering or explaining.
>>
>
> It's not the first time you have stupidly mistaken me for High Plains
> Thumper. Is it because you are of limited intelligence or are YOU
> a 'retard'?
>
> As to my initial question, it was a straightforward enquiry that anyone
> without extensive knowledge of or interest in the subject might
> ask. Why

Don't be ridiculous. The whole interest in the case was about the
missing body. We had everything else : blood splatters, missing car
seats, missing wife ....

> should I read in full an extremely opinionated article on what is to me a
> foreign newspaper website that publishes the views of a juror.

Wow. You really are a fuckwit of the highest order. What does a jurors
views have to do with whether they found a body? Are you sure you're not
HPT? You're stupid enough. And besides, since that juror was also
responsible along with the others of convicting him I would think that
her views were very relevant.

>
> You appear to think that we should all bow down in deference to your
> opinions, what a sad little life you must lead.

Aha. Spike Halliwell or Kier I presume ...

And it was you who said, when pointed to the article which answered your
question with facts, "You totally brain dead WANKER.". So - pot, kettle
etc.

>
> You've succeeded in boring me again.

Since you have the attention span of a goldfish and the IQ of a mollusc
that is hardly surprising.

SomeBloke

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Apr 29, 2008, 4:02:52 PM4/29/08
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Hadron wrote:


Not Spike Halliwell or Kier. You're not doing very well here are you Gary?
Why don't you try somewhere more your level, a place where your self
ordained divinity isn't challenged. Where you don't struggle to comprehend
intelligent banter.

The local sewer perhaps. That is where you belong.

Hardon Quack.
def: an opinionated cretin with a God complex. Tends to overstate its
importance without a valid reason.

Ezekiel

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"SomeBloke" <st...@stuff.com> wrote in message
news:Gf2dnWyPhovC6orVRVnyhgA@metronet...

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>
>>> Oh dear Hardon, lost the use of your limited IQ again? Ah Gary, poor
>>> little lad, you don't appear to realise that you are regarded with
>>> contempt by everyone who unfortunately reads your moronic posts.
>>>
>>> The article is an irrelevance, as are you.
>>
>> All very wordy, but ultimately you say nothing. As I pointed out in
>> another reply your own self regard is sadly let down by the emptiness of
>> your statements. The article *is* relevant you retard because it answered
>> your rather ridiculous question about the body. Seriously, you're not
>> HPT under another nym are you? Do ask if you need anything else
>> answering or explaining.
>>
>
> It's not the first time you have stupidly mistaken me for High Plains
> Thumper. Is it because you are of limited intelligence or are YOU
> a 'retard'?
>


> As to my initial question, it was a straightforward enquiry that anyone
> without extensive knowledge of or interest in the subject might ask.

It doesn't take "extensive knowledge" to know this. Just about each and
every article about the case mentions this.


> Why should I read in full an extremely opinionated article on
> what is to me a foreign newspaper website that publishes the
> views of a juror.

Exactly. Who cares what a juror has to say. After all, the juror was only
there for over 3 months and heard *all* of the testimony and saw *all* of
the facts. And we all know how "extremely opinionated" those jurors are.
It's almost certain that if you want accurate and unbiased information on
the trial then COLA is where you would find them.

How do you spell "idiot" in your country?

Hadron

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Apr 29, 2008, 4:09:30 PM4/29/08
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SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:

You sure talk a lot for someone who shows disdain for other people
having opinions. But lets see : you have the tendency not to like people
who put you down, you have a potty mouth. Yup. Halliwell or Kier I
reckon. I don't think you're HPT as you're too literate. But who knows?
He is such a practised nym shifter who can tell these days? And who is
Gary?

ray

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:47:40 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> "ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:67p509F...@mid.individual.net...
>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:29:04 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/29/
>> BAKU10DLNG.DTL&tsp=1
>>>

>>> "Computer programmer Hans Reiser was arrogant while testifying in his
>>> murder trial and never showed any compassion for his estranged wife,
>>> one of many factors that led to his conviction on first-degree murder,
>>> a member of the jury said today."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8647
>>>
>>> "Reiser FS: The open source file system fallout"
>>>
>>> SuSE and Debian use ReiserFS version 3, a stable and proven version of
>>> the code that has been sitting mostly fallow for some time, and is
>>> maintained with bugfixes on a best effort basis. Prior to the
>>> whirlwind and highly publicized trial, Hans Reiser and his small team
>>> were working on Reiser4, but much of this development grinded to a
>>> halt due to his legal woes, and the project is more than likely to die
>>> an unfortunate death by virtue of its lead programmer having to serve
>>> a minimum 25 year life sentence in prison.
>>

>> Why is that? I should think he would have plenty of time to work on it!
>>
>>
> All kidding aside - why can't he continue to work on Reiser FS?

I was not kidding.


>
> - He'll have plenty of time.
> - He would truly be doing this because it's something he's interested
> in. - He'll need something to do to pass the time. - By all accounts
> Reiser is a smart person. He'll need something to keep
> his mind active.
>
> Is there some sort of new rule or regulation that prohibits prisoners
> from using computers?
>
>

SomeBloke

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Apr 29, 2008, 4:43:58 PM4/29/08
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Hadron wrote:


Potty mouth? How childish and how wrong. Reread your own posts and then
reassess who has the 'potty mouth'.

As for Gary, why not. You appear to 'reckon' my name is Kier. You
don't 'reckon' very well do you?

As far as I'm concerned this is the end of the thread.

Rick

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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:52:17 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/29/
BAKU10DLNG.DTL&tsp=1
>>>
>>> "Computer programmer Hans Reiser was arrogant while testifying in his
>>> murder trial and never showed any compassion for his estranged wife,
>>> one of many factors that led to his conviction on first-degree murder,
>>> a member of the jury said today."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8647
>>>
>>> "Reiser FS: The open source file system fallout"
>>>
>>> SuSE and Debian use ReiserFS version 3, a stable and proven version of
>>> the code that has been sitting mostly fallow for some time, and is
>>> maintained with bugfixes on a best effort basis. Prior to the
>>> whirlwind and highly publicized trial, Hans Reiser and his small team
>>> were working on Reiser4, but much of this development grinded to a
>>> halt due to his legal woes, and the project is more than likely to die
>>> an unfortunate death by virtue of its lead programmer having to serve
>>> a minimum 25 year life sentence in prison.
>>>

>>> From the SuSE and Debian perspective, this is an obviously
>>> unacceptable state of affairs. The OpenSuSE project has already moved
>>> its distribution to use the ext3 file system, the most common one used
>>> on Linux systems. However, it is far from the fastest and most
>>> reliable of the Linux file systems and development of its replacement
>>> ext4, is also underway. Ted Ts'o, one of the original programmers of
>>> ext3 and its predecessor, ext2, is leading the ext4 project, and is
>>> employed by IBM. ext4 shows a great deal of promise, but it is
>>> unlikely that the main commercial enterprise distributions - such as
>>> RHEL and SLES - will adopt its initial release for production use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>

>> Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?
>
> Am I correct in stating that you didn't think to read the article?
>
> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
> opinion.

You have all the character traits of a piece of crap, IMO.

--
Rick

Rick

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Apr 29, 2008, 4:54:38 PM4/29/08
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:58:22 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> "Mentohl" <doug_m...@linuxmail.org> wrote in message
> news:fv7mll$qn6$2...@news.datemas.de...
>> SomeBloke wrote:


>>
>> > Gary Ezekiel Flatfish wrote:
>>
>> "The OpenSuSE project has already moved its distribution to use the
>> ext3 file system"
>

> Great. And all of the existing customers/users that are running ReiserFS
> will no longer be receiving updates, bug fixes or enhancements. The
> Reiser FS they use is now becoming obsolete fast forcing them to migrate
> their data to another file system that is going to be supported.

Everything becomes obsolete in time. Why should ReiserFS be any different?

>
>
>
>>> Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?
>>

>> You are correct in stating that a body has not been found ..


>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


... too stupid to configure your software?
--
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Ruben

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Apr 29, 2008, 5:34:39 PM4/29/08
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:05:33 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

>> As to my initial question, it was a straightforward enquiry that anyone
>> without extensive knowledge of or interest in the subject might ask.
>
> It doesn't take "extensive knowledge" to know this. Just about each and
> every article about the case mentions this.

Hey Paul, you missed your morning Coffee and the Gorilla Cafe. Where did
you move your base of operations to?

Ruben

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Apr 29, 2008, 5:46:44 PM4/29/08
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On 2008-04-29, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> "Ezekiel" <a...@b.com> writes:
>
>> "SomeBloke" <st...@stuff.com> wrote in message
>> news:xsmdnbI1S7lewYrVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@metronet...
>>> Ezekiel wrote:
[deletia]

>>> Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?
>>
>> Correct. No body has been found. (5 seconds with Google would confirm this.)
>>
>> Is this relevant and if not, why do you ask?
>>
>
> You can tell from his sniffy tone that he thinks he's Petrocelli. Wait
> for the "no body no crime" calls from COLAs nuttier section. A bit like
> no web stats no market share ....

...sauce for the goose.

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Apr 29, 2008, 5:49:42 PM4/29/08
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On 2008-04-29, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
[deletia]

>> It's not the first time you have stupidly mistaken me for High Plains
>> Thumper. Is it because you are of limited intelligence or are YOU
>> a 'retard'?
>>
>> As to my initial question, it was a straightforward enquiry that anyone
>> without extensive knowledge of or interest in the subject might
>> ask. Why
>
> Don't be ridiculous. The whole interest in the case was about the
> missing body. We had everything else : blood splatters, missing car
> seats, missing wife ....

Missing wife is a given, so that doesn't count.

Missing car seat is a little odd but you don't burn people at
the stake anymore for being a little odd (at least you're not
supposed to).

Blood may or may not be interesting. Live with a woman a while
and you will discover this for yourself.

[deletia]

JEDIDIAH

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Apr 29, 2008, 5:55:44 PM4/29/08
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On 2008-04-29, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> "Ezekiel" <a...@b.com> writes:
>
>> "ray" <r...@zianet.com> wrote in message
>> news:67p509F...@mid.individual.net...
>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:29:04 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/29/
>>> BAKU10DLNG.DTL&tsp=1
>>>>
>>>> "Computer programmer Hans Reiser was arrogant while testifying in his
>>>> murder trial and never showed any compassion for his estranged wife, one
>>>> of many factors that led to his conviction on first-degree murder, a
>>>> member of the jury said today."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8647
>>>>
>>>> "Reiser FS: The open source file system fallout"
>>>>
>>>> SuSE and Debian use ReiserFS version 3, a stable and proven version of
>>>> the code that has been sitting mostly fallow for some time, and is
>>>> maintained with bugfixes on a best effort basis. Prior to the whirlwind
>>>> and highly publicized trial, Hans Reiser and his small team were working
>>>> on Reiser4, but much of this development grinded to a halt due to his
>>>> legal woes, and the project is more than likely to die an unfortunate
>>>> death by virtue of its lead programmer having to serve a minimum 25 year
>>>> life sentence in prison.
>>>
>>> Why is that? I should think he would have plenty of time to work on it!
>>>
>>
>> All kidding aside - why can't he continue to work on Reiser FS?
>>
>> - He'll have plenty of time.
>> - He would truly be doing this because it's something he's interested in.
>> - He'll need something to do to pass the time.
>> - By all accounts Reiser is a smart person. He'll need something to keep
>> his mind active.
>>
>> Is there some sort of new rule or regulation that prohibits prisoners from
>> using computers?
>
> What so he can groom another Eastern European woman on the net and
> murder her in a gristly fashion?

It wouldn't be unprecedented.

>
> He is going to prison to be punished - not as a free replacement for his
> mothers basement.

OK. So lobby for prison reform now and leave us alone.

JEDIDIAH

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Apr 29, 2008, 5:54:02 PM4/29/08
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...nope.

Saw *all the facts that the court chose to let them see*.

That can make a big difference.

Although bias is still an issue. Anyone that chooses to ignore
this despite all of the studies to the contrary is just an idiot.
There are lawyers whose entire "speciality" is pandering to juries
to try to take advantage the ways in which they can be manipulated.

So don't be a slob and a jerk in court.

You might not get a bailout from the Whitehouse.

[deletia]

Ezekiel

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Apr 29, 2008, 6:09:28 PM4/29/08
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"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrng1f67...@nomad.mishnet...

Saw all the evidence and facts that are "legally admissible" in court.
There are many things that are not admissible in court. For example... if a
defendant has prior convictions or was arrested as a juvenile then this
isn't admissible. Just because prosecutors and the defence can't do
"whatever they want" in court doesn't make the proceedings any less fair.


> That can make a big difference.

It usually helps the defense. Most of these restrictions are there to keep
the states prosecutorial powers in check. The limit what the state can do
more than the defense.


> Although bias is still an issue. Anyone that chooses to ignore
> this despite all of the studies to the contrary is just an idiot.
> There are lawyers whose entire "speciality" is pandering to juries
> to try to take advantage the ways in which they can be manipulated.

The jury took all of 2.5 hours to convict him. And they convicted him of
FIRST DEGREE murder. For the people that were there every day for 6 months
it wasn't even close. You probably haven't spent 6 *minutes* on this case so
I'll believe the 12 impartial jurors who were there for 6 months over what
you and your 6-minute opinion says.


> So don't be a slob and a jerk in court.

How about not murdering your wife and avoid court in the first place.

William Poaster

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Apr 29, 2008, 6:14:38 PM4/29/08
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Oh, Quack's full of his own self-importance alright. Some call it shit.
Someone else who knows what an asshole he is:-

<quote>
Hadron must not work since he seems to be posting 24/7 on a lot of
groups. If he does have a job and he is doing this at work he should
be walked out the door post haste.

He is a self-proclaimed authority on everything, yet seems to know
nothing but how to insult people.
<unquote>
Major asshole.
From: Bill Baka
Message-ID: <3bFBj.316$Rq1...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com>
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008

<quote>
It's Hadrons' own little world of arrogance.
His contributions are mostly telling you how stupid you are.
Bill Baka
<unquote>
Message-ID: <kYoAj.13500$5K1....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Subject: Re: Dual Boot
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008

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Hadron

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Apr 29, 2008, 7:05:28 PM4/29/08
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JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2008-04-29, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
> [deletia]
>>> It's not the first time you have stupidly mistaken me for High Plains
>>> Thumper. Is it because you are of limited intelligence or are YOU
>>> a 'retard'?
>>>
>>> As to my initial question, it was a straightforward enquiry that anyone
>>> without extensive knowledge of or interest in the subject might
>>> ask. Why
>>
>> Don't be ridiculous. The whole interest in the case was about the
>> missing body. We had everything else : blood splatters, missing car
>> seats, missing wife ....
>
> Missing wife is a given, so that doesn't count.

Missing wife is different from "no body".

>
> Missing car seat is a little odd but you don't burn people at
> the stake anymore for being a little odd (at least you're not
> supposed to).

Except when its removed when the wife goes missing and there were blood
splatters.

>
> Blood may or may not be interesting. Live with a woman a while
> and you will discover this for yourself.
>
> [deletia]

You're not seriously trying to pull the "I know more about women" line
are you? Oh. My. God.


I'm amazed - you appear to be defending him.

Hadron

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Apr 29, 2008, 7:07:27 PM4/29/08
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SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:

Listen Mr Stupid : you started it.

>
> As for Gary, why not. You appear to 'reckon' my name is Kier. You
> don't 'reckon' very well do you?

I said Kier or that guy who keeps boasting about his degree and the
making a tit of himself with every post he attempts in a technical
thread. I can not remember anymore more consistently wrong other than
WronG.

>
> As far as I'm concerned this is the end of the thread.

Or could it be Mr Anonymous? He had a habit of getting spanked and
running off home to Mummy too.

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Tim Smith

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Apr 29, 2008, 8:44:10 PM4/29/08
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In article <k7mhuatnn1v5.nwb9e64ybrii$.d...@40tude.net>,

Moshe Goldfarb <brick....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > What makes you think Reiser was obsessed with Linux? Writing a good
> > filesystem does not imply obsession.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/localnews/detail?blogid=37&entry_id=25659
>
> Read down:
>
> "Reiser was obsessed with the 30% that couldn't be read in Reiser4, rather
> than the main point of the testimony, which is a self-admitted computer
> geek turned off his machine the same day he appeared nervous at his kids'
> school, on a day he didn't have custody, and didn't turn it on after that
> time."

That's a comment posted by some random reader of the blog, not supported
by anything in the blog article. There is a mention of 30% in the
article--the prosecution's forensics expert, who examined Reiser's
disks, said he didn't have time to conduct a complete examination, and
30% of the disk was not looked at.

I'd think that when you are sitting at trial for first degree murder,
and an expert witness for the prosecution says he didn't look at all
your disk, it would be perfectly normal, and not at all obsessive, to
have a major interest in that.

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Tim Smith

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Apr 29, 2008, 8:46:42 PM4/29/08
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In article <rase14tr7skit3g0q...@4ax.com>,
chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >Hadron puked:

> >>
> >> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
> >>>
> >>> Hadron wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
> >>>> opinion.
> >>>
> >>> You totally brain dead WANKER.
> >>
> >> So you didn't read the article?
>
> I did, and saw NOTHING that could REMOTELY lead to the comment you
> made about Roy.

Why did you snip quotes in such a way to make it look like Hadron is
claiming something he didn't claim?

Hadron is claiming that the article states that no body has been found.

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JEDIDIAH

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Apr 29, 2008, 8:46:02 PM4/29/08
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On 2008-04-29, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>
>> On 2008-04-29, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>> [deletia]
>>>> It's not the first time you have stupidly mistaken me for High Plains
>>>> Thumper. Is it because you are of limited intelligence or are YOU
>>>> a 'retard'?
>>>>
>>>> As to my initial question, it was a straightforward enquiry that anyone
>>>> without extensive knowledge of or interest in the subject might
>>>> ask. Why
>>>
>>> Don't be ridiculous. The whole interest in the case was about the
>>> missing body. We had everything else : blood splatters, missing car
>>> seats, missing wife ....
>>
>> Missing wife is a given, so that doesn't count.
>
> Missing wife is different from "no body".

No, they are the same thing. The person can't be found and
the relevant people just assume that she's dead.

>
>>
>> Missing car seat is a little odd but you don't burn people at
>> the stake anymore for being a little odd (at least you're not
>> supposed to).
>
> Except when its removed when the wife goes missing and there were blood
> splatters.

No, this still is just the domain of "weirdo".

>
>>
>> Blood may or may not be interesting. Live with a woman a while
>> and you will discover this for yourself.
>>
>> [deletia]
>
> You're not seriously trying to pull the "I know more about women" line
> are you? Oh. My. God.
>
>
> I'm amazed - you appear to be defending him.

No, I just like to be sure before potentially executing someone.

This guy is being demonized because he's a freak, not because
he's a murderer. He might actually be, but that's not what he was
really convicted of.

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Ezekiel

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Apr 29, 2008, 9:08:42 PM4/29/08
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"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrng1fga...@nomad.mishnet...

> On 2008-04-29, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>
>>> On 2008-04-29, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>> [deletia]
>>>>> It's not the first time you have stupidly mistaken me for High Plains
>>>>> Thumper. Is it because you are of limited intelligence or are YOU
>>>>> a 'retard'?
>>>>>
>>>>> As to my initial question, it was a straightforward enquiry that
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> without extensive knowledge of or interest in the subject might
>>>>> ask. Why
>>>>
>>>> Don't be ridiculous. The whole interest in the case was about the
>>>> missing body. We had everything else : blood splatters, missing car
>>>> seats, missing wife ....
>>>
>>> Missing wife is a given, so that doesn't count.
>>
>> Missing wife is different from "no body".
>
> No, they are the same thing. The person can't be found and
> the relevant people just assume that she's dead.

The jury believed "beyond a reasonable doubt" that she's dead.


>>
>>>
>>> Missing car seat is a little odd but you don't burn people at
>>> the stake anymore for being a little odd (at least you're not
>>> supposed to).
>>
>> Except when its removed when the wife goes missing and there were blood
>> splatters.
>
> No, this still is just the domain of "weirdo".

By definition a murderer is a weirdo so it certainly holds true.


>>
>>>
>>> Blood may or may not be interesting. Live with a woman a while
>>> and you will discover this for yourself.
>>>
>>> [deletia]
>>
>> You're not seriously trying to pull the "I know more about women" line
>> are you? Oh. My. God.
>>
>>
>> I'm amazed - you appear to be defending him.
>
> No, I just like to be sure before potentially executing someone.
>

> This guy is being demonized because he's a freak, not because
> he's a murderer.

Being a freak isn't illegal. Murdering your wife is. And he's not being
demonized. He's was tried, unaminously found guilty by 12 jurors and will
hopefully rot in prison for the rest of his life as punishment for killing
his wife.


> He might actually be, but that's not what he was
> really convicted of.

And how would you, posting from your mothers basement, know what he "was
really convicted of" - you don't. You didn't see the evidence. You didn't
hear the testimonty. You know nothing about the case. The jury was there
and the jury convicted the scumbag killer who murdered his wife.

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DFS

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Apr 29, 2008, 9:12:05 PM4/29/08
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chrisv wrote:

> SomeBloke wrote:
>
>> You totally brain dead WANKER.
>
> Just KF the piece of shit. You like reading his garbage?

Anything is better than your no-content "posts", lamebrain.


DFS

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Apr 29, 2008, 9:26:19 PM4/29/08
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Ezekiel wrote:
> "Alexander Terekhov" <tere...@web.de> wrote in message

>> Microsoft Windows compatible
>>
>> Microsoft Office programs only"

Ain't that a bitch? LMAO!

Hans' starts a Word journal: "I gotta get out of here! Can I bring Nina
back from the dead?"
Hans first Outlook appointment: "6am. Breakfast. Recurring: Daily, every 1
day. No end date."
Hans first Outlook Task: "Buddy up with some Aryan Brothers"
Hans first Excel budget: $1.75/hour x 6 hours/day x 5 days/week = $52.50!

>> Man oh man.
>
> That's because forcing criminals to use linux would be..... Cruel and
> unusual punishment!!!!

Worse than forcing them to eat Nutraloaf for 10 years.

Moshe Goldfarb

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Apr 29, 2008, 10:41:24 PM4/29/08
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30 percent couldn't be read in Reiser 4, IOW he seems to be obsessed over
the fact it couldn't be read in 'Reiser 4' vs the fact it couldn't be read.

IOW, if it was written, it in theory *can* be read possibly using another
file system for that 30 percent.

That's the way I read it anyway.

The guy's an obsessive no matter how you slice it and since Linux is his
baby, it goes to reason he is obsessive with Linux as well.

Phil Da Lick!

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Ezekiel wrote:
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/29/BAKU10DLNG.DTL&tsp=1

>
> "Computer programmer Hans Reiser was arrogant while testifying in his murder
> trial and never showed any compassion for his estranged wife, one of many
> factors that led to his conviction on first-degree murder, a member of the
> jury said today."

fuckin unreal.

and why should he "show compassion" for her? for all we know they had a
shitty marriage. she still hasn't been proven anything other than missing.

only in america.

Hadron

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Apr 30, 2008, 4:21:06 AM4/30/08
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"DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:

> Ezekiel wrote:
>> "Alexander Terekhov" <tere...@web.de> wrote in message
>
>>> Microsoft Windows compatible
>>>
>>> Microsoft Office programs only"
>
> Ain't that a bitch? LMAO!
>
> Hans' starts a Word journal: "I gotta get out of here! Can I bring Nina
> back from the dead?"
> Hans first Outlook appointment: "6am. Breakfast. Recurring: Daily, every 1
> day. No end date."
> Hans first Outlook Task: "Buddy up with some Aryan Brothers"
> Hans first Excel budget: $1.75/hour x 6 hours/day x 5 days/week = $52.50!
>

Could he afford a Windows license on that?

Hadron

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Apr 30, 2008, 4:25:38 AM4/30/08
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JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> writes:

> On 2008-04-29, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH <je...@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>>
>>> On 2008-04-29, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>> [deletia]
>>>>> It's not the first time you have stupidly mistaken me for High Plains
>>>>> Thumper. Is it because you are of limited intelligence or are YOU
>>>>> a 'retard'?
>>>>>
>>>>> As to my initial question, it was a straightforward enquiry that anyone
>>>>> without extensive knowledge of or interest in the subject might
>>>>> ask. Why
>>>>
>>>> Don't be ridiculous. The whole interest in the case was about the
>>>> missing body. We had everything else : blood splatters, missing car
>>>> seats, missing wife ....
>>>
>>> Missing wife is a given, so that doesn't count.
>>
>> Missing wife is different from "no body".
>
> No, they are the same thing. The person can't be found and
> the relevant people just assume that she's dead.

As I said they are different. Leading to the assumed connection.

>
>>
>>>
>>> Missing car seat is a little odd but you don't burn people at
>>> the stake anymore for being a little odd (at least you're not
>>> supposed to).
>>
>> Except when its removed when the wife goes missing and there were blood
>> splatters.
>
> No, this still is just the domain of "weirdo".

No. You are the weirdo. I guess if they found a knife with blood over it
that would be because he "might have" just killed a rabbit with it?

>
>>
>>>
>>> Blood may or may not be interesting. Live with a woman a while
>>> and you will discover this for yourself.
>>>
>>> [deletia]
>>
>> You're not seriously trying to pull the "I know more about women" line
>> are you? Oh. My. God.
>>
>>
>> I'm amazed - you appear to be defending him.
>
> No, I just like to be sure before potentially executing someone.
>

And you are?

> This guy is being demonized because he's a freak, not because
> he's a murderer. He might actually be, but that's not what he was
> really convicted of.

No he's being demonized for being a cold hearted freak who murdered his
wife in cold blood and then showed no emotion or regret and totally
failed to realise the depths of his crimes. He is a freak.

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Moshe Goldfarb

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Apr 30, 2008, 4:27:09 AM4/30/08
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Key phrase "one of many factors".....

Most NORMAL people will feel compassion for a person missing, ill, sickly,
retarded, etc even if they have absolutely no connection with said person.

Most people are good, contrary to what the liberal media wish us to
believe.

IOW, your soon to be ex-wife is screwing the mailman, raking you over the
coals financially and is probably going to take you for all you are worth.
You hate her and she hates you, no problem with that.
Now she gets terminal cancer...
A normal person will feel something for her.
IOW a level set takes place and the bickering is now not as important.
A nut will chart the progression hoping she dies yesterday.

It's only psychopaths who feel no compassion.

Reiser seems to be a nut.

Phil Da Lick!

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Apr 30, 2008, 4:41:02 AM4/30/08
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Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:19:26 +0100, Phil Da Lick! wrote:
>
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/29/BAKU10DLNG.DTL&tsp=1
>>>
>>> "Computer programmer Hans Reiser was arrogant while testifying in his murder
>>> trial and never showed any compassion for his estranged wife, one of many
>>> factors that led to his conviction on first-degree murder, a member of the
>>> jury said today."
>> fuckin unreal.
>>
>> and why should he "show compassion" for her? for all we know they had a
>> shitty marriage. she still hasn't been proven anything other than missing.
>>
>> only in america.
>
> Key phrase "one of many factors".....
>
> Most NORMAL people will feel compassion for a person missing, ill, sickly,
> retarded, etc even if they have absolutely no connection with said person.

there you go again, making assumptions that she's missing for some bad
reason. for all we know she's pissed off to somewhere exotic with her
lover. that's my point - we do not actually know anything other than she
is missing.

of course, if it is proven that she's dead then that's another matter
entirely.

Moshe Goldfarb

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Apr 30, 2008, 4:43:15 AM4/30/08
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Typical Linux nut, ultra left wing BS.

Hint: You don't need a body to convict for murder.

Hadron

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Apr 30, 2008, 5:03:48 AM4/30/08
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So, Jury of 12 men good and true wrong - COLA right.

"Only in COLA"

Unbelievable.

And note to murderers : just mince up the body and feed it to the
pigs. COLA will give your refuge.

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sends them tumbling into ravines

peterwn

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Apr 30, 2008, 5:31:20 AM4/30/08
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On Apr 30, 5:29 am, "Ezekiel" <a...@b.com> wrote:

> "Reiser FS: The open source file system fallout"
>
> SuSE and Debian use ReiserFS version 3, a stable and proven version of the
> code that has been sitting mostly fallow for some time, and is maintained
> with bugfixes on a best effort basis.

Debian's default file system is ext3. Debian offers ReiserFS for
those who particularly want to use it because it suits their
application better, etc. The majority of users with no special data
requirements would have just accepted using the 'general purpose' ext3
file system.

To say that Debian is becoming 'broken' because of the cloud over
ReiserFS is quite misleading.

To imply that such behaviour is 'typical' of the open source community
is similarly misleading - such a tragic incident could touch on any
company or organisation. For example there were two suicides a few
years ago relating to a propietary software holding company which were
'fallout' from the actions of an unscrupulous person who is still
alive today.

Phil Da Lick!

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Apr 30, 2008, 5:44:06 AM4/30/08
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nice justice system you've got there.

whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? innocent until
presumed guilty is not quite the same thing.

Phil Da Lick!

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Apr 30, 2008, 5:44:43 AM4/30/08
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he's been convicted of a crime that nobody actually knows for sure has
taken place.

Rick

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Apr 30, 2008, 6:46:55 AM4/30/08
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Using your example, a normal person just might say she is getting what
she deserves.


> IOW a level set takes place
> and the bickering is now not as important.
> A nut will chart the progression hoping she dies yesterday.


>
> It's only psychopaths who feel no compassion.
>
> Reiser seems to be a nut.

.. in your opinion.

And, BTW, why would Reiser feel guilty about a a wife that has (in his
stated opinion) screwed him over in many ways, including having affairs,
and then gone missing?

--
Rick

Rick

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Apr 30, 2008, 6:47:38 AM4/30/08
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A murder weapon and proof of death would be nice.

--
Rick

Rick

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Apr 30, 2008, 6:48:49 AM4/30/08
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You are now supporting the jury that acquited OJ Simpson of murder?

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Andrew Halliwell

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Apr 30, 2008, 6:52:53 AM4/30/08
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Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> As for Gary, why not. You appear to 'reckon' my name is Kier. You
>> don't 'reckon' very well do you?
>
> I said Kier or that guy who keeps boasting about his degree and the
> making a tit of himself with every post he attempts in a technical
> thread. I can not remember anymore more consistently wrong other than
> WronG.

Awwww, does quirk think you're me?
Isn't that sweet.

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William Poaster

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Apr 30, 2008, 7:37:33 AM4/30/08
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:52:53 +0100, Andrew Halliwell wrote:

> Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> As for Gary, why not. You appear to 'reckon' my name is Kier. You
>>> don't 'reckon' very well do you?
>>
>> I said Kier or that guy who keeps boasting about his degree and the
>> making a tit of himself with every post he attempts in a technical
>> thread. I can not remember anymore more consistently wrong other than
>> WronG.
>
> Awwww, does quirk think you're me?
> Isn't that sweet.

Funny that no matter what is said, *everyone* else is wrong & Quack is
the only one right. He can't read headers, which is hardly surprising, as
in a *lot* of cases he can't understand what was posted in plain English!
He's as moronic as 'dennis@home', maybe they're twins.

chrisv

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Apr 30, 2008, 8:39:48 AM4/30/08
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Tim Smith wrote:

>In article <rase14tr7skit3g0q...@4ax.com>,
> chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> >Hadron puked:
>> >>
>> >> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hadron wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
>> >>>> opinion.
>> >>>
>> >>> You totally brain dead WANKER.
>> >>
>> >> So you didn't read the article?
>>
>> I did, and saw NOTHING that could REMOTELY lead to the comment you
>> made about Roy.
>
>Why did you snip quotes in such a way to make it look like Hadron is
>claiming something he didn't claim?

What did I make it "look like" he claimed that he did not, Timmy? Or
are you lying?

>Hadron is claiming that the article states that no body has been found.

That's not the only thing he claimed, Timmy. Why should I comment on
that entirely uncontroversial claim?

I chose to focus on what he said about Roy, and, for clarity, trimmed
the post accordingly. Understand?

chrisv

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Apr 30, 2008, 8:47:21 AM4/30/08
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JEDIDIAH wrote:

>> I'm amazed - you appear to be defending him.
>
> No, I just like to be sure before potentially executing someone.
>
> This guy is being demonized because he's a freak, not because
>he's a murderer. He might actually be, but that's not what he was
>really convicted of.

Well, is this the place to try him? Especially when doing so makes
shithead trolls like Quack fat and happy? AFAIK, he got a fair trial.

chrisv

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Apr 30, 2008, 9:18:45 AM4/30/08
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William Poaster wrote:

> Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>
>> Hadron quacked:


>>>
>>> I said Kier or that guy who keeps boasting about his degree and the
>>> making a tit of himself with every post he attempts in a technical
>>> thread. I can not remember anymore more consistently wrong other than
>>> WronG.
>>
>> Awwww, does quirk think you're me?
>> Isn't that sweet.
>
> Funny that no matter what is said, *everyone* else is wrong & Quack is
> the only one right. He can't read headers, which is hardly surprising, as
> in a *lot* of cases he can't understand what was posted in plain English!
> He's as moronic as 'dennis@home', maybe they're twins.

I still suspect that Quack is message-ID Larry. They exhibit *very*
similar behavior.

Linonut

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Apr 30, 2008, 9:21:57 AM4/30/08
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Linonut

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* peterwn peremptorily fired off this memo:

"Ezekiel" is as repellent as "Moshe Goldfarb".

As far as I can tell (due to plonking), even DFS hasn't stooped so low.

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business.
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Ezekiel

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Apr 30, 2008, 9:36:28 AM4/30/08
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"Linonut" <lin...@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
news:Tm_Rj.44587$%15.1...@bignews7.bellsouth.net...

Not my words you idiot. It's a direct quote from this and several other news
stories.

Typical linux liar ^h^h^h^h "advocate" - never lets the truth or the facts
get in his way.

Ruben

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Apr 30, 2008, 9:42:00 AM4/30/08
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:36:28 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> Not my words you idiot.

Paid Troll. What's your name, little boy, what is your name?

Ruben

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Apr 30, 2008, 9:44:14 AM4/30/08
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:23:44 -0400, Linonut wrote:

> * peterwn peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> On Apr 30, 5:29 am, "Ezekiel" <a...@b.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Reiser FS: The open source file system fallout"
>>>
>>> SuSE and Debian use ReiserFS version 3, a stable and proven version of the
>>> code that has been sitting mostly fallow for some time, and is maintained
>>> with bugfixes on a best effort basis.
>>
>> Debian's default file system is ext3. Debian offers ReiserFS for
>> those who particularly want to use it because it suits their
>> application better, etc. The majority of users with no special data
>> requirements would have just accepted using the 'general purpose' ext3
>> file system.
>>
>> To say that Debian is becoming 'broken' because of the cloud over
>> ReiserFS is quite misleading.
>>
>> To imply that such behaviour is 'typical' of the open source community
>> is similarly misleading - such a tragic incident could touch on any
>> company or organisation. For example there were two suicides a few
>> years ago relating to a propietary software holding company which were
>> 'fallout' from the actions of an unscrupulous person who is still
>> alive today.
>
> "Ezekiel" is as repellent as "Moshe Goldfarb".

Ezekiel's real name is Paul. He is African American and lives in the Park
Slope area of Brooklyn and hangs out at the Tea Lounge where he does this
trolling from, although he can often be found at the Gorilla Cafe and
other venues.

He also seems to like a lot of Pornography.

The other one we still need to uncover his real ID.

Ruben


>
> As far as I can tell (due to plonking), even DFS hasn't stooped so low.

--

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http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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DFS

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Apr 30, 2008, 9:58:52 AM4/30/08
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Ruben wrote:

> Ezekiel's real name is Paul. He is African American and lives in the
> Park Slope area of Brooklyn and hangs out at the Tea Lounge

Which one? There are two in Park Slope.

> where he
> does this trolling from, although he can often be found at the
> Gorilla Cafe and other venues.

It's ironic that while 'Zeke might be posting from Gorilla Coffee (not
Cafe), you actually resemble a gorilla:

http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-23/ruben-safir.html

> He also seems to like a lot of Pornography.

oh yeah. I recommend www.sapphic-erotica.com

> The other one we still need to uncover his real ID.

And then what, Rube?


JEDIDIAH

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You don't really know anything and nor do I. What little we
can know doesn't really bode well for the issue of fairness.

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JEDIDIAH

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Apr 30, 2008, 10:09:36 AM4/30/08
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Oddly enough, you are actually doing the rest of us a big
favor with this sort of hyperbole. It makes it very easy for
us to rightly conclude that you have nothing worth saying.

...just another sad troll.

[deletia]

This would hardly be the first time that the general public
has called into question a jury verdict. It's actually quite
fashionable these days. There are entirely quasi-popular movements
based off of second guessing jurors.

chrisv

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Apr 30, 2008, 10:40:03 AM4/30/08
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JEDIDIAH wrote:

> Hadron quacked:


>>
>> So, Jury of 12 men good and true wrong - COLA right.
>>
>> "Only in COLA"
>
> Oddly enough, you are actually doing the rest of us a big
> favor with this sort of hyperbole. It makes it very easy for
> us to rightly conclude that you have nothing worth saying.

Rather redundant. The Quack troll has been doing that as long as he's
been here, with statements like "ignoring posts is censorship" and
"advocates think Linux is perfect".

It only takes ONE statement like that from someone to prove beyond any
doubt that they are a dishonest fsckwit, worthy only of the Bozo bin.

chrisv

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Apr 30, 2008, 10:43:13 AM4/30/08
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JEDIDIAH wrote:

>> AFAIK, he got a fair trial.
>
> You don't really know anything and nor do I.

Actually, I do know that he had a trial, that he had legal
representation at that trial, and that I have no reason to believe that he
has been treated unfairly.

Linonut

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Apr 30, 2008, 11:02:54 AM4/30/08
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* Ruben peremptorily fired off this memo:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:36:28 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> Not my words you idiot.
>
> Paid Troll. What's your name, little boy, what is your name?

Let him keep digging himself a hole. He has most of his foot in his
mouth already. It's pretty difficult to top his attempted
exploitation of a murder case for the cause of denigrating an operating
system.

By the way, I don't think he is paid. No one would pay for such a
shabby job.

--
The finest pieces of software are those where one individual has a complete
sense of exactly how the program works. To have that, you have to really
love the program and concentrate on keeping it simple, to an incredible
degree.
-- Bill Gates

chrisv

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Apr 30, 2008, 11:14:18 AM4/30/08
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Linonut wrote:

>By the way, I don't think he is paid. No one would pay for such a
>shabby job.

Indeed. That applies to most all the Wintrolls in here, really. They
are such transparent liars, constantly taking the *obviously* wrong
side of the issues...

Ruben

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Apr 30, 2008, 11:27:25 AM4/30/08
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They get paid for the post, not the quality. As long as they disrupt
things, their task masters don't care.

Ruben

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http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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Moshe Goldfarb

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Apr 30, 2008, 1:11:07 PM4/30/08
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Nice tie!
Is that a clip on?


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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Moshe Goldfarb

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Apr 30, 2008, 1:41:54 PM4/30/08
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:27:25 -0400, Ruben wrote:


> They get paid for the post, not the quality. As long as they disrupt
> things, their task masters don't care.
>
> Ruben

You have just described the automated SPAM machine known as Roy
Schestowitz.

Erik Funkenbusch

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Apr 30, 2008, 2:05:57 PM4/30/08
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:42:00 -0400, Ruben wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:36:28 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> Not my words you idiot.
>
> Paid Troll. What's your name, little boy, what is your name?
>
> Ruben

What's yours?

Ruben

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Apr 30, 2008, 2:17:04 PM4/30/08
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Ruben Safir

Like it says. Have fun googling it.

By all means. Call me in your spare time and drop in for Coffee.

Ruben

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http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

© Copyright for the Digital Millennium

Tim Smith

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Apr 30, 2008, 2:56:42 PM4/30/08
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In article <7rpg149rukdmbv7st...@4ax.com>,

chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> I chose to focus on what he said about Roy, and, for clarity, trimmed
> the post accordingly. Understand?

You trimmed the post in a very dishonest way. He made two statements,
one of which he said was from the article, and one that he made no such
claim about. You left the second statement, and his admonishment to
someone that they didn't read the article. That makes it look like he's
claiming the second statement is supported by the article.

Considering your general high level of immaturity and asshole nature, it
is beyond any possible doubt that you did this by accident.

--
--Tim Smith

Kelsey Bjarnason

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Apr 30, 2008, 3:08:02 PM4/30/08
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One wonders exactly *why* he fired it off?

One might presume that if we dug around a bit, we'd find at least one
case of a Microsoft developer - even a Microsoft "official" - committing
some sort of serious crime.

While the irony involved in that comparison is both obvious and palpable,
the mention of Reiser is really dubious, insofar as Reiser isn't in any
meaningful way a "Linux employee" or a "Linux official" - his foulups are
just that - his.

Ruben

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Apr 30, 2008, 3:23:24 PM4/30/08
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:56:42 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

> You trimmed the post in a very dishonest way.

Is being icongnito and trolling for the RIAA and the BSA
honest Bumpercar boy? Inquiring minds want to know,

chrisv

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Apr 30, 2008, 3:31:13 PM4/30/08
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Tim Smith wrote:

> chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> I chose to focus on what he said about Roy, and, for clarity, trimmed
>> the post accordingly. Understand?
>
>You trimmed the post in a very dishonest way.

Nope. You are being dishonest in claiming so, actually.

Ironically, you trimmed and ignored important points from my previous
post!

>He made two statements,
>one of which he said was from the article, and one that he made no such
>claim about.

That's not the way it looked to me, Timmy.

>You left the second statement, and his admonishment to
>someone that they didn't read the article. That makes it look like he's
>claiming the second statement is supported by the article.

If their exchange was not clear, it's not my fault. I honestly quoted
exactly what I saw happening (remember that I have Quack plonked).

Quack: This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy
Schestowitz in my opinion.

SomeBloke: You totally brain dead WANKER.

Quack: So you didn't read the article? And you call me brain dead?
Fuck off you posturing twit.

Get it, Timmy? I looked to me, and it STILL looks to me, like
SomeBloke was complaining about Quack's shot at Roy. It STILL looks
to me that Quack was claiming that support for his shot at Roy was IN
THE ARTICLE.

PERHAPS that's not the case, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I
HONESTLY thought that that was Quack's claim.

>Considering your general high level of immaturity and asshole nature,

Illogical, Timmy, since my levels of "maturity" and/or "niceness" have
nothing to do with my honesty, of which I am very proud and
protective. Indeed, it's the fact that I so despise dishonest people
that leads to my "asshole nature" with those who exhibit it.

Just because some fsckwit, like you, Timmy, read the exchange above
and came to a different, perhaps correct, conclusion, does not make my
interpretation "dishonest".

>it is beyond any possible doubt that you did this by accident.

Irrelevant, since I did not claim that it was an "accident", Timmy.

You're a dishonest asshole, Timmy.

chrisv

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Apr 30, 2008, 3:37:57 PM4/30/08
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Oh, and let's not forget what is, IMO, the REAL point, here. That is,
what the despicable scumbag Quack wrote:

Quack: "This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy
Schestowitz in my pinion."

I have a feeling that Timmy's arguing that I "made it look like Quack
claimed that the article supported his shot at Roy" is simply to
divert the issue from the fact that Quack took a *despicable* shot at
Roy.

Tim Smith

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Apr 30, 2008, 8:28:21 PM4/30/08
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In article <csgh14dh1cjlri4tq...@4ax.com>,

chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> If their exchange was not clear, it's not my fault. I honestly quoted
> exactly what I saw happening (remember that I have Quack plonked).

This is what the article you were directly responding to said:

------------------------------------------
Hadron wrote:

> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>

>>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Am I correct in stating that no body has been found?
>>>
>>> Am I correct in stating that you didn't think to read the article?


>>>
>>> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in my
>>> opinion.
>>

>> You totally brain dead WANKER.
>

> So you didn't read the article? And you call me brain dead? Fuck off you
> posturing twit.
>

Oh dear Hardon, lost the use of your limited IQ again? Ah Gary, poor
little
lad, you don't appear to realise that you are regarded with contempt by
everyone who unfortunately reads your moronic posts.

The article is an irrelevance, as are you.
------------------------------------------

Note that Hadron's remark about reading the article is in response to
the body question, and his opinion of Roy is separate, and he is not
saying the article says that.

That's in the post you were directly responding to, so your excuse that
you have him killfiled and so didn't see his post doesn't hold water.

When you trimmed SomeBloke's post, you changed the top section of the
above to this:
------------------------------------------


>Hadron puked:
>>
>> SomeBloke <st...@stuff.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>

>>>> This Reiser guy has all the character traits of Roy Schestowitz in
my
>>>> opinion.
>>>

>>> You totally brain dead WANKER.
>>

>> So you didn't read the article?

------------------------------------------

That makes it look like the "read the article" remark is offered in
support of his opinion of Roy. You cut out the part that shows what it
is really about.

(You also changed SomeBloke's "Hadron wrote" to "Hadron puked". That
you change the words that you attribute to someone else in a quote says
a lot about your level of honesty).

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--Tim Smith

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