Awesome! Linux hits 1%
Snit
For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1% and
even a tad over.
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wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>
> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
> and even a tad over.
They don't explain 99% of the stuff they missed out
that ran Linux on that day.
If they did, they would look stupid.
Snit
3:20 PM:
The stats are about computers, mostly desktop computers but also cell phones
and the like... not about, say, routers or microwaves that happen to run
Linux. Sorry I was not more clear with that in my first post - to be honest
I thought it was obvious.
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philo
It was obvious.
Anyway 1% is a pretty high number...
Snit
Could be better... but nice to see it heading up.
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philo
As Linux keeps getting better and as Windows keeps getting worse...
the numbers are going to climb...
Preston
People have been saying that for 15 years.
Preston
> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>
> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1% and
> even a tad over.
Wow! 2009 is clearly the Year of Linux on the Desktop (tm).
Snit
Vista, clearly, has been a "hiccup" for Windows, as was ME... but after MS
came XP which was pretty good. MS knows they have to be careful with Win 7
and I suspect they will be. Linux is growing in quality quickly, but the
user experience on Ubuntu and other common distros still has a way to go.
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philo
Fifteen years ago Linux was a newborn infant
and there was Windows 3x
Almost no one had heard of Linux back then...
and Windows never really became big until Win95.
As little as six or seven years ago...Linux was pretty much for geeks
and Windows was a pretty usable OS.
But times have certainly changed!
philo
I've at least tried Ubuntu and except for reviving a few old MAC's never
used it or saw the reason for all the hype.
However I recently performed a test install of Ubuntu 9.04 and was quite
favorably impressed. I am not going to call it perfect...but it's pretty
close.
OTOH: If most people use Windows...that's fine with me
Snit
PM:
>>>>> Anyway 1% is a pretty high number...
>>>> Could be better... but nice to see it heading up.
>>>>
>>> As Linux keeps getting better and as Windows keeps getting worse...
>>> the numbers are going to climb...
>>>
>> Vista, clearly, has been a "hiccup" for Windows, as was ME... but after MS
>> came XP which was pretty good. MS knows they have to be careful with Win 7
>> and I suspect they will be. Linux is growing in quality quickly, but the
>> user experience on Ubuntu and other common distros still has a way to go.
>>
>>
>
>
> I've at least tried Ubuntu and except for reviving a few old MAC's never
> used it or saw the reason for all the hype.
>
> However I recently performed a test install of Ubuntu 9.04 and was quite
> favorably impressed. I am not going to call it perfect...but it's pretty
> close.
>
> OTOH: If most people use Windows...that's fine with me
People should use what they like - no argument here. I would like to see
both Linux and OS X continue to gain user base. There are a few things that
hold Linux back: applications and general user experience. Here is from the
last version of Linux:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/UbuntuCP.mov>
Two thoughts on this. First the bad - that shows a very strong lacking on
the ability to make a well thought out, consistent UI. The good: it is
somewhat improved in the newest Ubuntu - right clicking now works in gedit.
I expect to see more improvement over time.
I certainly do not hide that I generally prefer OS X for most things - the
integration and focus on the user experience is a benefit for usability and
efficiency... but it clearly has its quirks and oddities as well. Lots of
room for improvement there as well.
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ray
> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>
> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
> and even a tad over.
OK - it's 100% here. And I know a particular library where it's 98%.
High Plains Thumper
> Snit said:
>
>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>
>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at
>> 1% and even a tad over.
>
> Wow! 2009 is clearly the Year of Linux on the Desktop (tm).
Just another Snit failed strategy, evaluating an operating system that for
the most part is obtainable for free and equating installed base by
monetary expenditures compared with other operating systems.
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HPT
Snit
Hey, I use OS X, Windows, and Linux (mostly Ubuntu) on this same machine...
so I guess it is 33% here. :)
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Snit
5/1/09 7:22 PM:
What? Monetary expenditures? What does that have to do with desktop Linux's
growing market share? I do not follow... where did you come up with that
one?
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DFS
Who - but you - said anything about money? Preston didn't. Snit didn't.
The website didn't.
Only dishonest cola idiots - like you and K. Bjarnason - think they can
change the measure from users to money (Linux fails at both of course).
DFS
Impressive, isn't it?!
Can you hear the fear and trembling in my voice as the Linux juggernaut
rumbles? It's so scary...
DFS
> However I recently performed a test install of Ubuntu 9.04 and was
> quite favorably impressed. I am not going to call it perfect...
Go ahead... lots of other gibbering Linux idiots do.
> but it's pretty close.
Except for those thousands of bugs, and random freezing problems, and
multitude of upgrade issues, and silly (cr)apps it would be close to bogus.
As it stands, it's just a sad, sad joke.
> OTOH: If most people use Windows...that's fine with me
And most people do.
DFS
Really? Do tell...
DFS
> Anyway 1% is a pretty high number...
It's the loneliest number since... you know the rest.
Marti van Lin
Why don't Y'all just fscking ignore the fscking cnut?
If you didn't quote the fscking SNOT circus, nobody in C.O.L.A would
have probably even noticed its fscking BS. Even the Hadron Q00k mar00n
has the Snotty pussyboi kill-filed for crying out loud.
You are supporting Michael SNOT Glasser, by quoting his BS. Shame on you :-(
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Snit
PM:
> ray wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 May 2009 14:09:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>
>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
>>> and even a tad over.
>>
>> OK - it's 100% here. And I know a particular library where it's 98%.
>
> Why don't Y'all just fscking ignore the fscking cnut?
>
> If you didn't quote the fscking SNOT circus, nobody in C.O.L.A would
> have probably even noticed its fscking BS. Even the Hadron Q00k mar00n
> has the Snotty pussyboi kill-filed for crying out loud.
>
> You are supporting Michael SNOT Glasser, by quoting his BS. Shame on you :-(
I noted that desktop Linux usage not only hit a higher percentage than it
has ever before (as far as I know), but that it hit a "landmark" if you
will.
And you reacted like you did, above. Why?
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High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Preston wrote:
>>> Snit said:
>>>
>>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day...
>>>> Linux is now at 1% and even a tad over.
>>>
>>> Wow! 2009 is clearly the Year of Linux on the Desktop
>>> (tm).
>>
>> Just another Snit failed strategy, evaluating an operating
>> system that for the most part is obtainable for free and
>> equating installed base by monetary expenditures compared
>> with other operating systems.
>
> Who - but you - said anything about money? Preston didn't.
> Snit didn't. The website didn't.
"http://marketshare.hitslink.com//os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9"
^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=market+share&gwp=13
[quote]
n.
The proportion of industry sales of a good or service that is
controlled by a company.
[/quote]
Market Share = $$$$
> Only dishonest cola idiots - like you and K. Bjarnason - think
> they can change the measure from users to money (Linux fails
> at both of course).
Ad hominem.
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HPT
Snit
on 5/1/09 10:22 PM:
The site, clearly, is talking about user base... or, really, user base as
reported by aggregate web statistics (a statistic that likely over-reports
those computers used by more web-savvy, technically competent users). From
the same site:
<http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&
sample=35>
-----
Linux usage share on client devices has surpassed 1% for the
first time in our tracking.� Linux has been successful
primarily as a server operating system, but client usage
share has not kept pace with server share� Linux has reached
this important milestone on the client as Linux-based systems
have become more functional, easier to use, and pre-installed
on computers from vendors like Dell.
-----
This is *good* news for those of us who want Linux to grow on the desktop...
not sure why people in COLA are looking down at this.
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High Plains Thumper
> ray wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>
>>> For those who thought they would never see the day...
>>> Linux is now at 1% and even a tad over.
>>
>> OK - it's 100% here. And I know a particular library where
>> it's 98%.
>
> Why don't Y'all just fscking ignore the fscking cnut?
>
> If you didn't quote the fscking SNOT circus, nobody in C.O.L.A
> would have probably even noticed its fscking BS. Even the
> Hadron Q00k mar00n has the Snotty pussyboi kill-filed for
> crying out loud.
>
> You are supporting Michael SNOT Glasser, by quoting his BS.
> Shame on you :-(
118- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was:
Stop polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive
"writings". You give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your
goal you have succeeded! That also goes for all that bullshit on
your website" 11 Jun 2004
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
Steve Mackay: "Hey, and you can modify multiple times, post them
on your site, and claim they are the 'originals'. Oh wait...
You've done that already." 14 Aug 2005
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8468794ceae80b6d
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HPT
Snit
9:50 PM:
The site does, in places (including the URL), use the term market share when
it should say user base or OS usage or something of that nature. With that
said, it is *clear* that usage is what is being measured here... and *I*
certainly did not do what HPT accused me of: I did not evaluate OS usage by
monetary expenditures. For that matter, such evaluation has nothing to do
with the data presented. HPT simply got confused. I suppose it happens to
us all... I am sure he will acknowledge his error soon.
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Marti van Lin
a fscking sh1t about Michael SNOT Glasser. He is nothing but an
(desperate for) attention seeking troll. The only way to stop the
fsckwith is to ignore him.
Ir really is that simple ;-)
Cheers
William Poaster
trolls, ray was heard to say:
Well Michael Snit Glasser's got it wrong, like everything else the moronic
troll claims about Linux.
If Linux was only at 1%, why would M$ be hiring an "Open Source Desktop
Strategy Czar" to fight Linux? It wouldn't be worth their time or money
IMO. (They even say that Linux users *could* be as high as 14% in their
quarterly report to the SEC).
--
Conficker, coming to a M$ windows
machine near you!
2 million infected, & counting:
http://securitylabs.websense.com/content/Alerts/3329.aspx
Peter Köhlmann
Unfortunately, it is not.
The moment he recognizes that he is ignored, he starts to flood groups
with repeat threads.
Threads which have been (sometimes) years old are reposted en masse by
that dishonest POS, sometimes dozens at a time.
--
Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' -
they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.
Peter Köhlmann
> On Sat, 02 May 2009 02:08:36 +0000, above the shrieking & whining of the
> trolls, ray was heard to say:
>
>> On Fri, 01 May 2009 14:09:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>
>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at
>>> 1% and even a tad over.
>>
>> OK - it's 100% here. And I know a particular library where it's 98%.
>
> Well Michael Snit Glasser's got it wrong, like everything else the
> moronic troll claims about Linux.
>
> If Linux was only at 1%, why would M$ be hiring an "Open Source Desktop
> Strategy Czar" to fight Linux? It wouldn't be worth their time or money
> IMO. (They even say that Linux users *could* be as high as 14% in their
> quarterly report to the SEC).
>
Heise (which has several computer magazines) in germany claims that nearly
15% of its users connect with linux to their sites
Their numbers are:
14.8% linux
55.5% WinXP
14.4% Vista
7.7% OSX
They also claim that linux usage is rising. From January to March it was
at around 13.8%
Now linux usage in europe is much higher than in the US, but I doubt that
those 1% have any roots in reality. I suspect that it is much more. Around
3% would probably be realistic
--
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend: and inside a dog,
it's too dark to read." -- Groucho Marx
Marti van Lin
SNOT Glasser's BS unless he is quoted.
I use 3 distinct news readers, namely Mozilla Thunderbird, slrn and
Knode. All of them have a filter system. It is very easy to simply
kill-file the trolls. If you want to get rid of the idiots, then simply
quit feeding them.
I did it my self, I did feed Flatfart, Hadron Q00k and the Dizum coward
(the ToiletClog). And all they deserve is to rot in their own fscking
dirt. No mercy because they don't show any mercy nor remorse ether.
Cheers ;-)
7
> 7 stated in post KAKKl.22646$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com on 5/1/09
> 3:20 PM:
>
>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Snit
>> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of
>> Marketing:
>>
>>
>>
>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>
>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
>>> and even a tad over.
>>
>>
>> They don't explain 99% of the stuff they missed out
>> that ran Linux on that day.
>>
>> If they did, they would look stupid.
>
> The stats are about computers, mostly desktop computers but also cell
> phones and the like... not about, say, routers or microwaves that happen
> to run
> Linux. Sorry I was not more clear with that in my first post - to be
> honest I thought it was obvious.
What makes desktop market share so important?
Its not important for retailers.
Linux earns far more money for retailers than micoshaft and appil combined.
Linux is in routers, microwaves, digital photo frames, IP Webcams,
flat TVs, DVD recorders, DVD players, set top boxes, MP3, MP4, MP5
players, etc etc etc which is much bigger earner than all of appil
and micoshaft desktop sales combined.
Snit
AM:
> Snit wrote:
>
>> 7 stated in post KAKKl.22646$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com on 5/1/09
>> 3:20 PM:
>>
>>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Snit
>>> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of
>>> Marketing:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>>
>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
>>>> and even a tad over.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They don't explain 99% of the stuff they missed out that ran Linux on that
>>> day.
>>>
>>> If they did, they would look stupid.
>>>
>> The stats are about computers, mostly desktop computers but also cell phones
>> and the like... not about, say, routers or microwaves that happen to run
>> Linux. Sorry I was not more clear with that in my first post - to be honest
>> I thought it was obvious.
>
> What makes desktop market share so important?
It is certainly not the only that matters, but when a platform has so little
share then it is not going to get mainstream commercial software. At 1%,
for example, Photoshop and MS Office are simply not going to be made for
Linux... and both would be a benefit to Linux users.
> Its not important for retailers.
> Linux earns far more money for retailers than micoshaft and appil combined.
> Linux is in routers, microwaves, digital photo frames, IP Webcams,
> flat TVs, DVD recorders, DVD players, set top boxes, MP3, MP4, MP5
> players, etc etc etc which is much bigger earner than all of appil
> and micoshaft desktop sales combined.
Why do you keep changing the topic from desktop Linux to embedded Linux? Is
English your first language?
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Snit
pan.2009.05.02....@ubuntu-hardy64.org on 5/2/09 2:39 AM:
> On Sat, 02 May 2009 02:08:36 +0000, above the shrieking & whining of the
> trolls, ray was heard to say:
>
>> On Fri, 01 May 2009 14:09:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>
>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
>>> and even a tad over.
>>
>> OK - it's 100% here. And I know a particular library where it's 98%.
>
> Well Michael Snit Glasser's got it wrong, like everything else the moronic
> troll claims about Linux.
>
> If Linux was only at 1%, why would M$ be hiring an "Open Source Desktop
> Strategy Czar" to fight Linux? It wouldn't be worth their time or money
> IMO. (They even say that Linux users *could* be as high as 14% in their
> quarterly report to the SEC).
>
If you think you have more accurate stats that what I show then by all means
point to them.
But you do not.
You have wishful thinking.
But let us pretend that you are right, say desktop Linux was even, say,
equal to what Mac usage is: then Linux users are only online about 1/10th
what Mac users are. Why? How do you explain this?
My guess: you will not.
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DFS
> DFS wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>> Preston wrote:
>>>> Snit said:
>>>>
>>>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day...
>>>>> Linux is now at 1% and even a tad over.
>>>>
>>>> Wow! 2009 is clearly the Year of Linux on the Desktop
>>>> (tm).
>>>
>>> Just another Snit failed strategy, evaluating an operating
>>> system that for the most part is obtainable for free and
>>> equating installed base by monetary expenditures compared
>>> with other operating systems.
>>
>> Who - but you - said anything about money? Preston didn't.
>> Snit didn't. The website didn't.
http://www.hitslink.com/?source=MarketShare
Has nothing to do with money, little bozo.
Snit's right, I'm wrong, and you and K Bjarnason are wrong. As always.
>> Only dishonest cola idiots - like you and K. Bjarnason - think
>> they can change the measure from users to money (Linux fails
>> at both of course).
And the reason you try this sniveling weasel trick is you're intellectually
dishonest.
Matt
> I've at least tried Ubuntu and except for reviving a few old MAC's never
> used it or saw the reason for all the hype.
>
> However I recently performed a test install of Ubuntu 9.04 and was quite
> favorably impressed. I am not going to call it perfect...but it's pretty
> close.
>
> OTOH: If most people use Windows...that's fine with me
It's fine with Microsoft too.
Snit
9:22 AM:
It always amazes me how people can twist things. I posted *good* news about
desktop Linux being reported to be *growing* in market share and even to
have hit a milestone I believe people in COLA have denied they thought it
would reach any time soon. This is a good sign for desktop Linux... and it
is a testament to the hard work of many, many people in the OSS community.
But even this good news is twisted into a reason for lashing out against
people. Why?
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> Snit wrote:
>> 7 stated in post KAKKl.22646$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com on 5/1/09
>> 3:20 PM:
>>
>>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Snit
>>> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of
>>> Marketing:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now
>>>> at 1%
>>>> and even a tad over.
>>>
>>> that ran Linux on that day.
>>>
>>> If they did, they would look stupid.
>>
>> The stats are about computers, mostly desktop computers but also cell
>> phones
>> and the like... not about, say, routers or microwaves that happen to run
>> Linux. Sorry I was not more clear with that in my first post - to be
>> honest
>> I thought it was obvious.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Anyway 1% is a pretty high number...
1 is clearly also the amount of Michael SNOT Glasser's IQ. Also a pretty
high number for such an incompetent fsck-with ;-)
Eeeek!
7
> 7 stated in post PEWKl.22823$OO7...@text.news.virginmedia.com on 5/2/09
> 5:03 AM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> 7 stated in post KAKKl.22646$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com on
>>> 5/1/09 3:20 PM:
>>>
>>>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Snit
>>>> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of
>>>> Marketing:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>>>
>>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at
>>>>> 1% and even a tad over.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They don't explain 99% of the stuff they missed out that ran Linux on
>>>> that day.
>>>>
>>>> If they did, they would look stupid.
>>>>
>>> The stats are about computers, mostly desktop computers but also cell
>>> phones and the like... not about, say, routers or microwaves that happen
>>> to run
>>> Linux. Sorry I was not more clear with that in my first post - to be
>>> honest I thought it was obvious.
>>
>> What makes desktop market share so important?
>
> It is certainly not the only that matters, but when a platform has so
> little
> share then it is not going to get mainstream commercial software.
Mainstream commerial Linux software is all about embedded Linux
applications. Non Linux software companies don't haven't the opportunity to
sell into that market if they don't have any embedded Linux software.
For retailers more money in the pocket if they concentrate on
switching more of their product lines to Linux.
> At 1%,
> for example, Photoshop and MS Office are simply not going to be made for
> Linux... and both would be a benefit to Linux users.
>
>> Its not important for retailers.
>> Linux earns far more money for retailers than micoshaft and appil
>> combined. Linux is in routers, microwaves, digital photo frames, IP
>> Webcams, flat TVs, DVD recorders, DVD players, set top boxes, MP3, MP4,
>> MP5 players, etc etc etc which is much bigger earner than all of appil
>> and micoshaft desktop sales combined.
>
> Why do you keep changing the topic from desktop Linux to embedded Linux?
> Is English your first language?
This is a Linux newsgroup not a Linux desktop only newsgroup.
Micoshaft fan boies have interest in trying to compare
Linux desktop with micoshaft but not retailers.
Retailers make far more money from embedded Linux
products than niche markets like selling desktops environments.
So it would be in their interest to be seeing what other
opportunities there are for embracing Linux and not listen to the
materially false adverstising you are promoting here like 1%.
The 1% does not apply anywhere for Linux or retailers
except niche desktop market which retailers don't care about.
Most of the electronics revenue is Linux revenue from selling Flat TVs,
DVD recorders etc on products that contain Linux and helps the
product shift from the retail shop floor.
RonB
> philo wrote:
>
>> Anyway 1% is a pretty high number...
>
> 1 is clearly also the amount of Michael SNOT Glasser's IQ. Also a pretty
> high number for such an incompetent fsck-with ;-)
I'm guessing they rounded up from 0 -- probably using Excel or the
calculator program that comes with Windows.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
Abeel van der Kloothuysen
news:C620C4B2.2D428%cs...@gallopinginsanity.com...
>7 stated in post KAKKl.22646$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com on 5/1/09
> 3:20 PM:
>
>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Snit
>> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of
>> Marketing:
>>
>>
>>
>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>
>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
>>> and even a tad over.
>>
>>
>> They don't explain 99% of the stuff they missed out
>> that ran Linux on that day.
>>
>> If they did, they would look stupid.
>
> The stats are about computers, mostly desktop computers but also cell
> phones
> and the like... not about, say, routers or microwaves that happen to run
> Linux.
Yes, Linux runs my microwave and that's where it belongs!
Abeel van der Kloothuysen
news:gthaqt$7hn$1...@news.albasani.net...
Nice sig!
Abeel van der Kloothuysen
> ray wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 May 2009 14:09:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>
>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
>>> and even a tad over.
>>
>> OK - it's 100% here. And I know a particular library where it's 98%.
>
> Why don't Y'all just fscking ignore the fscking cnut?
<abuse>
>
> If you didn't quote the fscking SNOT circus
<abuse>
> nobody in C.O.L.A would have probably even noticed its fscking BS.
<abuse>
> Even the Hadron Q00k mar00n
<abuse>
> has the Snotty pussyboi kill-filed for crying out loud.
<abuse>
>
> You are supporting Michael SNOT Glasser, by quoting his BS. Shame on you
> :-(
<abuse>
<quoting Marti van Lin AKA ML2MST AKA Tuxlover AKA MSXfan AKA Unixied AKA
ML2MST2>
"Clogwog has a long history of *abuse* . It never ceases to stop and many
*serious* *users* consider it very annoying."
Pot, kettle, black, Marti?
Are you a "serious user", Marti?
Matt
> William Poaster wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 May 2009 02:08:36 +0000, above the shrieking & whining of the
>> trolls, ray was heard to say:
>>
>>> On Fri, 01 May 2009 14:09:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>>
>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at
>>>> 1% and even a tad over.
>>> OK - it's 100% here. And I know a particular library where it's 98%.
>> Well Michael Snit Glasser's got it wrong, like everything else the
>> moronic troll claims about Linux.
>>
>> If Linux was only at 1%, why would M$ be hiring an "Open Source Desktop
>> Strategy Czar" to fight Linux? It wouldn't be worth their time or money
>> IMO. (They even say that Linux users *could* be as high as 14% in their
>> quarterly report to the SEC).
>>
>
> Heise (which has several computer magazines) in germany claims that nearly
> 15% of its users connect with linux to their sites
>
> Their numbers are:
> 14.8% linux
> 55.5% WinXP
> 14.4% Vista
> 7.7% OSX
>
> They also claim that linux usage is rising. From January to March it was
> at around 13.8%
Where's the link?
Snit
Good question... and, assuming it is true, is it at all relevant? Is it
large enough to be representative of world trends? Unlikely!
>> Now linux usage in europe is much higher than in the US, but I doubt that
>> those 1% have any roots in reality. I suspect that it is much more. Around
>> 3% would probably be realistic
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Snit
5/2/09 1:10 PM:
The anger that has sprung up from my noting something undoubtedly *positive*
about desktop Linux is just amazing.
--
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Snit
12:20 PM:
...
>>>>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Snit wrote on
>>>>> behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
>>>>>> and even a tad over.
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't explain 99% of the stuff they missed out that ran Linux on that
>>>>> day.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they did, they would look stupid.
>>>>>
>>>> The stats are about computers, mostly desktop computers but also cell
>>>> phones and the like... not about, say, routers or microwaves that happen to
>>>> run Linux. Sorry I was not more clear with that in my first post - to be
>>>> honest I thought it was obvious.
>>>
>>> What makes desktop market share so important?
>>
>> It is certainly not the only that matters, but when a platform has so little
>> share then it is not going to get mainstream commercial software.
>
> Mainstream commerial Linux software is all about embedded Linux
> applications.
>
> Non Linux software companies don't haven't the opportunity to
> sell into that market if they don't have any embedded Linux software.
>
> For retailers more money in the pocket if they concentrate on
> switching more of their product lines to Linux.
I think it is generally well accepted that Linux is doing well in the
embedded and server markets. The struggle, and the topic, are about desktop
Linux. That is where Linux has, for the first time (that I know of anyway),
broken the 1% mark... a significant step in the right direction.
One of the reasons this matters is to gain commercial software support -
Photoshop for example. There is nothing native to Linux to compare.
>> At 1%, for example, Photoshop and MS Office are simply not going to be made
>> for Linux... and both would be a benefit to Linux users.
>>
>>> Its not important for retailers. Linux earns far more money for retailers
>>> than micoshaft and appil combined. Linux is in routers, microwaves, digital
>>> photo frames, IP Webcams, flat TVs, DVD recorders, DVD players, set top
>>> boxes, MP3, MP4, MP5 players, etc etc etc which is much bigger earner than
>>> all of appil and micoshaft desktop sales combined.
>>>
>> Why do you keep changing the topic from desktop Linux to embedded Linux? Is
>> English your first language?
>
> This is a Linux newsgroup not a Linux desktop only newsgroup.
Ah, it is confusing to you that not all threads are about everything to do
with Linux. OK.
> Micoshaft fan boies have interest in trying to compare
> Linux desktop with micoshaft but not retailers.
No offense, but your weak skills in English mangled whatever it is you meant
to say.
> Retailers make far more money from embedded Linux
> products than niche markets like selling desktops environments.
> So it would be in their interest to be seeing what other
> opportunities there are for embracing Linux and not listen to the
> materially false adverstising you are promoting here like 1%.
False advertising? What? Surely you are very confused.
> The 1% does not apply anywhere for Linux or retailers
> except niche desktop market which retailers don't care about.
> Most of the electronics revenue is Linux revenue from selling Flat TVs,
> DVD recorders etc on products that contain Linux and helps the
> product shift from the retail shop floor.
I suspect... no... I hope... it is your weakness in the English language
that has you so confused.
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> Marti van Lin wrote:
>> philo wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway 1% is a pretty high number...
>>
>> 1 is clearly also the amount of Michael SNOT Glasser's IQ. Also a
>> pretty high number for such an incompetent fsck-with ;-)
>
> I'm guessing they rounded up from 0 -- probably using Excel or the
> calculator program that comes with Windows.
>
does not ship with the POS, such in contrast to GNU/Linux. Every Linux
distribution that I am aware of at least ships with OOo Calc, Gnumeric
or Kcalc.
Doh!
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> On 2009-05-01 15:09:19 -0600, Snit <cs...@gallopinginsanity.com> said:
>
> Wow!
How the fsck did you get outta my killfile? Oh. I haven't set them up
very well on the Eee yet. Let me fix that.
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Don Zeigler
> Does Windwoes come up with a calculator? can't hardly remember. Excel
> does not ship with the POS, such in contrast to GNU/Linux. Every Linux
> distribution that I am aware of at least ships with OOo Calc, Gnumeric
> or Kcalc.
You get a calculator, a crappy text editor, a few simple games and a crappy
movie making app that totally sucks balls.
Oh, and an image "wizard" that "helps" you grab images off your camera or
scanner. By the time you click through all the baby-talk prompts, it's 30
minutes before you can actually do anything with this "wizard".
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Regards,
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DFS
> Does Windwoes come up with a calculator? can't hardly remember.
You know exactly what it comes with, bozo. You ran Vista not long ago and
liked it.
> Excel does not ship with the POS, such in contrast to GNU/Linux. Every
> Linux
> distribution that I am aware of at least ships with OOo Calc, Gnumeric
> or Kcalc.
Why would you expect Microsoft to give their software away?
Do you work for free?
> Doh!
Got your brains fucked out again I see...
High Plains Thumper
> William Poaster wrote:
>>>
>>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>>
>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day...
>>>> Linux is now at 1% and even a tad over.
>>>
>>> OK - it's 100% here. And I know a particular library where
>>> it's 98%.
>>
>> Well Michael Snit Glasser's got it wrong, like everything
>> else the moronic troll claims about Linux.
>>
>> If Linux was only at 1%, why would M$ be hiring an "Open
>> Source Desktop Strategy Czar" to fight Linux? It wouldn't be
>> worth their time or money IMO. (They even say that Linux
>> users *could* be as high as 14% in their quarterly report to
>> the SEC).
>
> Heise (which has several computer magazines) in germany claims
> that nearly 15% of its users connect with linux to their sites
>
> Their numbers are:
> 14.8% linux
> 55.5% WinXP
> 14.4% Vista
> 7.7% OSX
>
> They also claim that linux usage is rising. From January to
> March it was at around 13.8%
I think their numbers express the world deployment situation
better than other metrics.
> Now linux usage in europe is much higher than in the US, but I
> doubt that those 1% have any roots in reality. I suspect that
> it is much more. Around 3% would probably be realistic
Problem is the trolls equate market share with deployment, as
though the operating systems were equally valued monetarily.
Problem with that is it is an illogical assumption.
Something that for the most part is available for free, cannot be
expressed in the total cost of licenses that a proprietary
solution would.
--
HPT
Snit
on 5/2/09 9:01 PM:
How so?
>> Now linux usage in europe is much higher than in the US, but I
>> doubt that those 1% have any roots in reality. I suspect that
>> it is much more. Around 3% would probably be realistic
>
> Problem is the trolls equate market share with deployment, as
> though the operating systems were equally valued monetarily.
What? Why the focus on money again?
> Problem with that is it is an illogical assumption.
Your jumping to money is illogical.
> Something that for the most part is available for free, cannot be
> expressed in the total cost of licenses that a proprietary
> solution would.
Cost of licenses? What? Where did you get that? The stats I pointed to
are well respected and are based on usage of many web sites.... nothing to
do with OS licenses at all.
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I don't think so. I think that Microsoft is only happy if *everyone* is
using Windows.
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Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
chrisv
> Marti van Lin wrote:
>
>> Does Windwoes come up with a calculator? can't hardly remember. Excel
>> does not ship with the POS, such in contrast to GNU/Linux. Every Linux
>> distribution that I am aware of at least ships with OOo Calc, Gnumeric
>> or Kcalc.
>
> You get a calculator, a crappy text editor, a few simple games and a
> crappy movie making app that totally sucks balls.
>
> Oh, and an image "wizard" that "helps" you grab images off your camera
> or scanner. By the time you click through all the baby-talk prompts,
> it's 30 minutes before you can actually do anything with this "wizard".
It's typical Windwoes slopware, supposedly designed to make something
"use friendly", but in fact making it more difficult and confusing.
Snit
5/3/09 9:02 AM:
I suggest Picasa for most users looking to work with images on their
camera... no such BS wizards. The MS wizards are generally
counter-productive.
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this bit o' wisdom:
It's like the USB "ejector" dialog for Windows, which presents the user with
a choice of THREE devices to eject -- for the same ONE device!
--
You've been leading a dog's life. Stay off the furniture.
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Sat, 02 May 2009 23:04:50 +0200, Marti van Lin wrote:
> RonB wrote:
>> Marti van Lin wrote:
>>> philo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyway 1% is a pretty high number...
>>>
>>> 1 is clearly also the amount of Michael SNOT Glasser's IQ. Also a
>>> pretty high number for such an incompetent fsck-with ;-)
>>
>> I'm guessing they rounded up from 0 -- probably using Excel or the
>> calculator program that comes with Windows.
>>
> Does Windwoes come up with a calculator? can't hardly remember.
It does. Amusingly, the version shipped with Windows 3.1 had a bug which
calculated 3.11 - 3.10 as 0 - suggesting no actual reason to upgrade from
3.1 to 3.11. :)
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Fri, 01 May 2009 17:25:05 -0600, Preston wrote:
>> As Linux keeps getting better and as Windows keeps getting worse... the
>> numbers are going to climb...
>
> People have been saying that for 15 years.
And for 15 years, the numbers have been climbing. Yes, and?
Hadron
> Marti van Lin wrote:
>
>> Does Windwoes come up with a calculator? can't hardly remember. Excel
>> does not ship with the POS, such in contrast to GNU/Linux. Every Linux
>> distribution that I am aware of at least ships with OOo Calc, Gnumeric
>> or Kcalc.
>
> You get a calculator, a crappy text editor, a few simple games and a crappy
> movie making app that totally sucks balls.
>
> Oh, and an image "wizard" that "helps" you grab images off your camera or
> scanner. By the time you click through all the baby-talk prompts, it's 30
> minutes before you can actually do anything with this "wizard".
But like with Linux, everything else "Free and free" is a download away.
Your point is?
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computer has ever linked up to. — Dennis Miller
Hadron
> On Fri, 01 May 2009 14:09:19 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>
>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
>> and even a tad over.
>
> OK - it's 100% here. And I know a particular library where it's 98%.
That's nice Ray. But no one cares. The discussion is about the general
market. 100% of Americans probably think GWB was a good President and a
shining ambassador for Americans the world over in some rum hole in
Texas.
Hadron
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Marti van Lin wrote:
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>>>
>>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day...
>>>>> Linux is now at 1% and even a tad over.
>>>> OK - it's 100% here. And I know a particular library where
>>>> it's 98%.
>>> Why don't Y'all just fscking ignore the fscking cnut?
>>>
>>> If you didn't quote the fscking SNOT circus, nobody in C.O.L.A
>>> would have probably even noticed its fscking BS. Even the
>>> Hadron Q00k mar00n has the Snotty pussyboi kill-filed for
>>> crying out loud.
>>>
>>> You are supporting Michael SNOT Glasser, by quoting his BS.
>>> Shame on you :-(
>>
>> 118- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was:
>> Stop polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive
>> "writings". You give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your
>> goal you have succeeded! That also goes for all that bullshit on
>> your website" 11 Jun 2004
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
>>
>> Steve Mackay: "Hey, and you can modify multiple times, post them
>> on your site, and claim they are the 'originals'. Oh wait...
>> You've done that already." 14 Aug 2005
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8468794ceae80b6d
>>
> Now what am I supposed to do with this information? I really don't give
> a fscking sh1t about Michael SNOT Glasser. He is nothing but an
> (desperate for) attention seeking troll. The only way to stop the
> fsckwith is to ignore him.
>
> Ir really is that simple ;-)
>
> Cheers
What is simple is you. He has made you look like a clueless idiot time
and time again. Which is not hard. Since you clearly ARE a clueless
idiot.
Peter Köhlmann
Only if a lying incompetent "IT teacher" who lets his wife do the work in
order to be able to troll usenet 24/7 is able to "make someone look like a
clueless idiot". That is, never
> Which is not hard. Since you clearly ARE a clueless idiot.
>
According to the nymshifting cretin Hadron Snot Quark
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It could be worse, but it'll take time.
Sermo Malifer
> On 2009-05-01 15:09:19 -0600, Snit <cs...@gallopinginsanity.com> said:
>
>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>
>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at
>> 1% and even a tad over.
>
> Wow! 2009 is clearly the Year of Linux on the Desktop (tm).
The fallacy of the Wintrolls is the idea Linux must overcome M$ market
share to prove its worth.
The fact it can be used by millions of people as their sole desktop and
server software is enough to do that. If most of the rest of the world
is happy to send their money to Redmond, that's their choice. I'm
pleased to have a better choice available to me, even if it's not the
number one choice!
Marti van Lin
> Marti van Lin wrote:
>
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>> Marti van Lin wrote:
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day...
>>>>>> Linux is now at 1% and even a tad over.
>>>>> it's 98%.
>>>> Why don't Y'all just fscking ignore the fscking cnut?
>>>>
>>>> If you didn't quote the fscking SNOT circus, nobody in C.O.L.A
>>>> would have probably even noticed its fscking BS. Even the
>>>> Hadron Q00k mar00n has the Snotty pussyboi kill-filed for
>>>> crying out loud.
>>>>
>>>> You are supporting Michael SNOT Glasser, by quoting his BS.
>>>> Shame on you :-(
>>> 118- Tommy: "In case you did not get it, I think the moral was:
>>> Stop polluting the world with your infantile and obsessive
>>> "writings". You give Mac advocacy a bad name. If that was your
>>> goal you have succeeded! That also goes for all that bullshit on
>>> your website" 11 Jun 2004
>>>
>>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/03610d2080321d33
>>> Steve Mackay: "Hey, and you can modify multiple times, post them
>>> on your site, and claim they are the 'originals'. Oh wait...
>>> You've done that already." 14 Aug 2005
>>>
>>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/8468794ceae80b6d
>> Now what am I supposed to do with this information? I really don't give
>> a fscking sh1t about Michael SNOT Glasser. He is nothing but an
>> (desperate for) attention seeking troll. The only way to stop the
>> fsckwith is to ignore him.
>>
>> Ir really is that simple ;-)
>>
>
> The moment he recognizes that he is ignored, he starts to flood groups
> with repeat threads.
> Threads which have been (sometimes) years old are reposted en masse by
> that dishonest POS, sometimes dozens at a time.
You mean the "inconsistence" crapola and that "Exif data" treat? Unless
it is quoted by other posters, I don't see any of it.
Cheers
Peter Köhlmann
Yes, and his extremely bad "analogies" he tries to trod lose since then,
dozens of times
> and that "Exif data" treat?
He has not yet dared to bring *that* one up ever again. It was one where
he made himself "immortal". For utter stupidity, total dishonesty and
complete lack of clue
> Unless
> it is quoted by other posters, I don't see any of it.
So you see as much as I do. And *that* is way too much.
--
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parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means,
do not use a hammer. <from an IBM-Manual>
Marti van Lin
Haha more made up Quackery. Snit has never made me look like anything,
because I simply don't argue with Snit. I have better things to do.
>> Which is not hard. Since you clearly ARE a clueless idiot.
> According to the nymshifting cretin Hadron Snot Quark
Yup, I am the incompetent clueless idiot, since I flood this group with
made up nonsense about stuff which doesn't work under Linux. Oh, wait...
Snit
7:49 AM:
>> You mean the "inconsistence" crapola
>
> Yes, and his extremely bad "analogies" he tries to trod lose since then,
> dozens of times
>
>> and that "Exif data" treat?
>
> He has not yet dared to bring *that* one up ever again. It was one where
> he made himself "immortal". For utter stupidity, total dishonesty and
> complete lack of clue
I have no idea what you are even talking about? Where does Linux mess up
EXIF data? I truly do not recall.
>> Unless
>> it is quoted by other posters, I don't see any of it.
>
> So you see as much as I do. And *that* is way too much.
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Snit
AM:
I have no problem with people using what they want... but if you want to see
commercial software on Linux (say, Photoshop), then market share matters.
For a free OS, market share is also, to some extent, a measure of quality...
if something is free and very good, it will almost surely be used by many
people.
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Matt
doubled in the past 20 months
Preston
<highplai...@invalid.invalid> said:
> Preston wrote:
>> Snit said:
>>
>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>
>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at
>>> 1% and even a tad over.
>>
>> Wow! 2009 is clearly the Year of Linux on the Desktop (tm).
>
> Just another Snit failed strategy, evaluating an operating system that for
> the most part is obtainable for free and equating installed base by
> monetary expenditures compared with other operating systems.
Actually, it was just a light-hearted joke poking fun at the old
Slashdot trend of declaring every year to be the year of Linux on the
desktop. Lighten up!
df
> On 2009-05-01, Preston <pre...@stupid.com> claimed:
>> On 2009-05-01 15:09:19 -0600, Snit <cs...@gallopinginsanity.com> said:
>>
>> Wow!
>
> How the fsck did you get outta my killfile? Oh. I haven't set them up
> very well on the Eee yet. Let me fix that.
Thanks for telling everybody that you know how to use a killfile. It
was interesting and relevant information.
Snit
LOL!
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Snit
PM:
Well, that was not even me. I was speaking well of Linux!
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
DFS
> Haha more made up Quackery. Snit has never made me look like anything,
> because I simply don't argue with Snit. I have better things to do.
Like telling us you have better things to do than argue with Snit.
> Yup, I am the incompetent clueless idiot, since I flood this group
> with made up nonsense about stuff which doesn't work under Linux.
Instead, you tell us about true stuff that doesn't work - like entire
distros: "Suse simply stopped working a couple of months ago."
> Oh, wait...
For your next silly yet angry post?
chrisv
>Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>> Which is not hard. Since you clearly ARE a clueless idiot.
>
>> According to the nymshifting cretin Hadron Snot Quark
Not to mention shameless liar. An assertion from the Quack asshole
has no weight at all.
>Yup, I am the incompetent clueless idiot, since I flood this group with
>made up nonsense about stuff which doesn't work under Linux. Oh, wait...
Didn't you realize that since door handles are the same.....? Oops,
no, they are not, are they? Oh, and even if they were, the mechanical
issues involved in doors do not apply to computer UI's. Isn't
trolling fun?
Matt
On second thought, your claim is probably closer to the truth than mine.
But I think MS would be happy enough to keep things as they are---to
keep usage rates where they are and to keep the price of Windows and
Office where they are. Things won't stay that way of course. Notice
that according to that hitslink site, Windows usage dropped about 3% in
the past year.
According to that hitslink site, Linux usage doubled in the past 20
months. If that trend would continue, Linux usage five years from now
would be 8 times what it is now.
Once non-Windows usage is above say 20% and Linux usage is above say 8%,
developers will recognized that OS-specific applications will be
basically unviable. Applications that don't run on Linux will be
basically unviable.
Matt
> 7 stated in post PEWKl.22823$OO7...@text.news.virginmedia.com on 5/2/09 5:03
> AM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>
>>> 7 stated in post KAKKl.22646$OO7....@text.news.virginmedia.com on 5/1/09
>>> 3:20 PM:
>>>
>>>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Snit
>>>> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of
>>>> Marketing:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>>>
>>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day... Linux is now at 1%
>>>>> and even a tad over.
>>>>>
>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>> If they did, they would look stupid.
>>>>
>>> The stats are about computers, mostly desktop computers but also cell phones
>>> and the like... not about, say, routers or microwaves that happen to run
>>> Linux. Sorry I was not more clear with that in my first post - to be honest
>>> I thought it was obvious.
>> What makes desktop market share so important?
>
> It is certainly not the only that matters, but when a platform has so little
> share then it is not going to get mainstream commercial software. At 1%,
> for example, Photoshop and MS Office are simply not going to be made for
> Linux... and both would be a benefit to Linux users.
Naw ... once Linux is above 5% and Windows is below 80%, lots of
platforms with less than 1% usage will get mainstream commercial
software. Developers will have to build cross-platform, and Qt, XTK+,
Java, etc will be running on everything, even the platforms with less
than 1% usage.
Matt
> This is a Linux newsgroup not a Linux desktop only newsgroup.
Linux is already secure in embedded, supercomputing, server, router,
cell phone, CGI. There is not much left to advocate in those areas.
Go to where the battle is: "client" computing: desktop, notebook,
netbook, smartphone, MID, POS, kiosk.
> Micoshaft fan boies have interest in trying to compare
> Linux desktop with micoshaft but not retailers.
>
> Retailers make far more money from embedded Linux
> products than niche markets like selling desktops environments.
> So it would be in their interest to be seeing what other
> opportunities there are for embracing Linux and not listen to the
> materially false adverstising you are promoting here like 1%.
>
> The 1% does not apply anywhere for Linux or retailers
> except niche desktop market which retailers don't care about.
The retailers and hardware makers are not blocking client Linux, and are
not in a position to advance it much either. They will sell what people
want. The block is that most of people's familiar apps don't run on Linux.
> Most of the electronics revenue is Linux revenue from selling Flat TVs,
> DVD recorders etc on products that contain Linux and helps the
> product shift from the retail shop floor.
Snit
That might happen someday.
Might.
But that day is not today.
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Matt
Ha ha---right---not today.
The less-than-80%-Windows-usage condition could come true within a few
years. That in itself might be sufficient for most new development to
be done using cross-platform tools whose coverage includes Linux as well
as even more obscure platforms.
Matt
> High Plains Thumper stated in post 49fbd88f$0$29136$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org
> on 5/1/09 10:22 PM:
>
>> DFS wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>> Snit said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those who thought they would never see the day...
>>>>>> Linux is now at 1% and even a tad over.
>>>>> (tm).
>>>> Just another Snit failed strategy, evaluating an operating
>>>> system that for the most part is obtainable for free and
>>>> equating installed base by monetary expenditures compared
>>>> with other operating systems.
>>> Snit didn't. The website didn't.
>> "http://marketshare.hitslink.com//os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9"
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=market+share&gwp=13
>>
>> [quote]
>> n.
>>
>> The proportion of industry sales of a good or service that is
>> controlled by a company.
>> [/quote]
>>
>> Market Share = $$$$
>>
>>> Only dishonest cola idiots - like you and K. Bjarnason - think
>>> they can change the measure from users to money (Linux fails
>>> at both of course).
>> Ad hominem.
>
> The site, clearly, is talking about user base... or, really, user base as
> reported by aggregate web statistics (a statistic that likely over-reports
> those computers used by more web-savvy, technically competent users). From
> the same site:
> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&
> sample=35>
> -----
> Linux usage share on client devices has surpassed 1% for the
> first time in our tracking. Linux has been successful
> primarily as a server operating system, but client usage
> share has not kept pace with server share Linux has reached
> this important milestone on the client as Linux-based systems
> have become more functional, easier to use, and pre-installed
> on computers from vendors like Dell.
> -----
>
> This is *good* news for those of us who want Linux to grow on the desktop...
> not sure why people in COLA are looking down at this.
Looking down at growth of Linux on the desktop, or looking down at
statistics from the hitlinks site?
Snit
>>>> It is certainly not the only that matters, but when a platform has so
>>>> little share then it is not going to get mainstream commercial software.
>>>> At 1%, for example, Photoshop and MS Office are simply not going to be made
>>>> for Linux... and both would be a benefit to Linux users.
>>>>
>>> Naw ... once Linux is above 5% and Windows is below 80%, lots of platforms
>>> with less than 1% usage will get mainstream commercial software. Developers
>>> will have to build cross-platform, and Qt, XTK+, Java, etc will be running
>>> on everything, even the platforms with less than 1% usage.
>>>
>> That might happen someday.
>>
>> Might.
>>
>> But that day is not today.
>
> Ha ha---right---not today.
>
> The less-than-80%-Windows-usage condition could come true within a few years.
> That in itself might be sufficient for most new development to be done using
> cross-platform tools whose coverage includes Linux as well as even more
> obscure platforms.
Even if cross platform tools are used, there is benefit to having tools made
for the environment in question: look at how much work Firefox and
OpenOffice teams did to get their products to have "native" feels to OS X
and Windows.
And even in your example, we are *years* away from what you think will
happen.
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Snit
>>>> Only dishonest cola idiots - like you and K. Bjarnason - think
>>>> they can change the measure from users to money (Linux fails
>>>> at both of course).
>>> Ad hominem.
>>
>> The site, clearly, is talking about user base... or, really, user base as
>> reported by aggregate web statistics (a statistic that likely over-reports
>> those computers used by more web-savvy, technically competent users). From
>> the same site:
>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&
>> sample=35>
>> -----
>> Linux usage share on client devices has surpassed 1% for the
>> first time in our tracking. Linux has been successful
>> primarily as a server operating system, but client usage
>> share has not kept pace with server share Linux has reached
>> this important milestone on the client as Linux-based systems
>> have become more functional, easier to use, and pre-installed
>> on computers from vendors like Dell.
>> -----
>>
>> This is *good* news for those of us who want Linux to grow on the desktop...
>> not sure why people in COLA are looking down at this.
>
> Looking down at growth of Linux on the desktop, or looking down at
> statistics from the hitlinks site?
Looking down at Linux having a growing market share... read the anger from
others in this thread.
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Matt
The reported Windows usage went from 91% to 88% in a year. So it could
easily be at 80% in three years. Even if the benefit were to go almost
entirely to non-Linux OSes, it would give a huge nudge to cross-platform
development that would almost certainly include Linux.
Things can change quickly. IE usage is below 2/3 now. What was it 5
years ago?
Snit
It could. It might not. And most of that was lost to OS X.
> Even if the benefit were to go almost entirely to non-Linux OSes, it would
> give a huge nudge to cross-platform development that would almost certainly
> include Linux.
Not with a native look and feel... not that desktop Linux really has one.
> Things can change quickly. IE usage is below 2/3 now. What was it 5
> years ago?
Sure, things can change - things external to Linux itself. And those
changes might help Linux gain user base and applications. I still would
like to see Linux continue to grow in ways to help encourage users and
developers to migrate.
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Matt
> "Marti van Lin" <ml2...@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
> Nice sig!
I don't get it. Looks a little like a tic-tac-toe board.
High Plains Thumper
It's a part of his attention seeking sydrome; it satisfies his
neurosis.
>> and that "Exif data" treat?
>
> He has not yet dared to bring *that* one up ever again. It was
> one where he made himself "immortal". For utter stupidity,
> total dishonesty and complete lack of clue
Peter Kohlmann: "Oh, poor Michael Glasser, it was you who claimed
that there ever was any EXIF data. So come on now, provide it.
Because for us mere mortals it seems a little difficult to
provide data which does not exist. That is a task for a forger
like you, Snot/Snit/Rekruled/Michael Glasser < snip more Michael
Glasser lunacy >" 31 Aug 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/2fb5fb2217070aab
>> Unless it is quoted by other posters, I don't see any of it.
>
> So you see as much as I do. And *that* is way too much.
Problem is one gets sucked into responding to his fallacious
arguments. After a while, one sees that there is no getting
further with Snit; then does as all, either ignore him or kill
bin him. Even Hadron kill filed him, which says a lot.
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HPT
Matt
But it seems that Linux grew slightly more relative to its own user base
than OS X grew relative to OS X's user base.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> The retailers and hardware makers are not blocking client Linux, and are
> not in a position to advance it much either. They will sell what people
> want. The block is that most of people's familiar apps don't run on Linux.
Well, sort of. The block is that people think they need *exactly* their
"familiar" apps.
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absurdity of the statement made me want to laugh but they don't call me
Deadpan Allie and lie.
-- Pat Cadigan, "Mindplayers"
Matt
I would hope that we will eventually dissociate the look and feel from
the OS. But the first thing would be to standardize more important
stuff such as data formats across platforms.
Were I developing a cross-platform app, I would not try to make it fit
each OS. That seems as fruitless as writing it to several different
windowing systems simultaneously. I would try to choose some
cross-platform look and feel and look for tools that would facilitate
its implementation.
Matt
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Matt belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> The retailers and hardware makers are not blocking client Linux, and are
>> not in a position to advance it much either. They will sell what people
>> want. The block is that most of people's familiar apps don't run on Linux.
>
> Well, sort of. The block is that people think they need *exactly* their
> "familiar" apps.
... and that most of people's familiar apps don't run on Linux.
Removing either condition will lead to a change.
Snit
...
>>>> And even in your example, we are *years* away from what you think will
>>>> happen.
>>>
>>> The reported Windows usage went from 91% to 88% in a year. So it could
>>> easily be at 80% in three years.
>>
>> It could. It might not. And most of that was lost to OS X.
>
> But it seems that Linux grew slightly more relative to its own user base
> than OS X grew relative to OS X's user base.
Could be... but with Linux having such small numbers it is unwise to base
future outlook on current trends.
With that said, I *do* think Linux will continue to grow... and this will
happen as the user experience is made to be on par with, or better than, the
competitors. Right now Shuttleworth realizes there is still a ways to go...
but he - and others - are working to close the gap.
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DFS
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Matt belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> The retailers and hardware makers are not blocking client Linux, and
>> are not in a position to advance it much either. They will sell
>> what people want. The block is that most of people's familiar apps
>> don't run on Linux.
>
> Well, sort of. The block is that people think they need *exactly*
> their "familiar" apps.
Whereas you Linux "advocates" would have Windows users greatly degrade their
own computing standards and use inferior OSS clone-ware, theft-ware,
hobby-ware knockoffs like Dia and Kivio and Gnome Planner and OO Base.
Linux has NO CHANCE of EVER supplanting desktop Windows.
Chris Ahlstrom
The former is what this forum should be for.
The latter? We can't do squat about it.
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Gregory Shearman
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Matt belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Matt belched out
>>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> The retailers and hardware makers are not blocking client Linux, and are
>>>> not in a position to advance it much either. They will sell what people
>>>> want. The block is that most of people's familiar apps don't run on Linux.
>>>
>>> Well, sort of. The block is that people think they need *exactly* their
>>> "familiar" apps.
>>
>> ... and that most of people's familiar apps don't run on Linux.
>>
>> Removing either condition will lead to a change.
>
> The former is what this forum should be for.
>
> The latter? We can't do squat about it.
Hmmm.... cross-platform qt and other apps are making the latter more
possible.
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Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Matt
Cross-platform functionality through the browser is new since the
browser monopoly and web-standards chaos have been broken the past few
years.
Due to licensing issues, Java is only recently fulfilling in a practical
way its ca. 1996 promise of cross-platform functionality.
Matt
Windows lost 3% usage share the past 10 months. Growth in usage of any
non-Windows OS is a force that favors cross-platform development, which
favors Linux.
Matt
I notice that Windows usage dropped almost 3% in ten months, if you
believe: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9
Probably just noise, I suppose.
Linux apps will not always be what they are now. Five years from now,
Linux apps could be mostly the same apps as Windows and Mac apps. Can
you imagine that?