My recent trip to the superstore to look at netbooks
Terry Porter
I only needed lever arch files and paper, but decided to browse the
netbook/notebook isles.
Where the Linux netbooks once proudly sat, with price tags from $375 to
$450, there is now nothing but Windows and prices start at $575 for a
discontinued 9" dell running Windows.
Not one single unit had a SSD.
I can buy the following DEll 10.1" netbook for $424 delivered in Australia
from Dell online. This 'superstore' from which I have previously bought two
Acer Aspire 110s, is unlikely to ever get any money from me again for
netbooks.
My Components
(PRODUCT) RED ?
1Yr Ltd Warranty and Mail-In Service
16GB Solid State Drive
56WHr Lithium-Ion Battery (6-cell)
Wireless 802.11g/n (1510) Mini Card
My Accessories
Also Includes
Inspiron Mini 10v
UBUNTU 8.04 (Standard Edition)
Intel� Atom Processor� N270 (1.6GHz/533Mhz FSB/512K cache)
10.1" Widescreen Display (1024x576)
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 950
1GB DDR2 SDRAM
Integrated 1.3M Pixel Webcam
price: $424
In no time a salesman approached me, offering his help.
I said it's a shame that there were no Linux netbooks any more, and he
replied 'but these are the top-of-the-line netbooks'.
My withering reply stopped him in his tracks, when I informed him that no,
Windows was not 'top of the line, but a piece of abject junk', and not fit
for use on a computer.
These people aren't used to dealing with anyone who actually has a good
working knowledge of tech gear.
They are used to clueless sheeple buying their sales talk.
--
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indeed listen to. Trolls are not among those people, as trolls, more or
less by definition, *promote* ignorance.
Kelsey Bjarnason, C.O.L.A. 2008
Roy Schestowitz
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Microsoft is trying to elevate the cost and lower the battery life of Netbooks,
but it won't work. The ARMs are coming.
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amicus_curious
"Terry Porter" <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:XNSdnd6Jap6p4brX...@netspace.net.au...
>
...
>
> In no time a salesman approached me, offering his help.
>
> I said it's a shame that there were no Linux netbooks any more, and he
> replied 'but these are the top-of-the-line netbooks'.
>
> My withering reply stopped him in his tracks, when I informed him that no,
> Windows was not 'top of the line, but a piece of abject junk', and not fit
> for use on a computer.
>
> These people aren't used to dealing with anyone who actually has a good
> working knowledge of tech gear.
>
> They are used to clueless sheeple buying their sales talk.
>
minimum wage clerk some shit over operating systems used on the store's
merchandise. It fits his persona exactly.
What is the Australian expression for "Dick" as it is used in the USofA?
Hadron
> "Terry Porter" <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> news:XNSdnd6Jap6p4brX...@netspace.net.au...
>>
> ...
>>
>> In no time a salesman approached me, offering his help.
>>
>> I said it's a shame that there were no Linux netbooks any more, and he
>> replied 'but these are the top-of-the-line netbooks'.
I'm amazed he didn't say they had some returns you could have for half
price ...
>>
>> My withering reply stopped him in his tracks, when I informed him
>> that no,
You probably mean withering look.
>> Windows was not 'top of the line, but a piece of abject junk', and not fit
>> for use on a computer.
Did he say that everyone else managed ok?
>>
>> These people aren't used to dealing with anyone who actually has a good
>> working knowledge of tech gear.
Lucky it was you then Terry "Telnet" Porter.
>>
>> They are used to clueless sheeple buying their sales talk.
>>
And selling things of course ....
> Somehow I can easily envision this fellow going to a store and blowing some
> minimum wage clerk some shit over operating systems used on the store's
> merchandise. It fits his persona exactly.
>
> What is the Australian expression for "Dick" as it is used in the USofA?
>
>
Pretty much the same. And Porter IS a dick.
Once can almost see Porter in his cracked national health specs, dirty
mac and built up shoes encrusted in Kangaroo shit peering around
corners, brushing flies away and pouncing on poor unsuspecting notebook
buyers before launching into a tirade about how they don't need quicken
or office or etc etc etc.....
Meanwhile the sound of sirens gets ever closer...
--
In view of all the deadly computer viruses that have been spreading
lately, Weekend Update would like to remind you: when you link up to
another computer, you’re linking up to every computer that that
computer has ever linked up to. — Dennis Miller
Megabyte
Yes, the price is sure getting elevated. Check Amazon.com:
<http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=netbook>
ASUS 1000HE $383.89
ASUS 900HA $258.99
Of course the lower battery life, wait a minute, hmm, doesn't the 1000HE
advertise 9.5 hours of battery life, hmm, doesn't the sticker on the
1000HE state that? How could that be? Is there a currently released
Linux Netbook that delivers that kind of battery life? No!
7
May be the PC industry saw the possibility of micoshaft / intel$ axle of
evil churning and pushing up the prices again and starving retailers of
freely flowing revenue - so they went with ARM as a strategic replacment.
To push the button further, the PC industry should move to ARM desktops
for the mass market. That would set the cat among the pidgeons.
Terry Porter
That's USD, my prices are in Australia. What's the air freight for a
notebook to Australia plus the conversion from USD Megatroll ?
>
> Of course the lower battery life, wait a minute, hmm, doesn't the 1000HE
> advertise 9.5 hours of battery life,
And you believe that ?
> hmm, doesn't the sticker on the
> 1000HE state that?
And you believe that ?
> How could that be?
Easy to explain. Some sales droid tells the printer to put that on the
sticker order, the printer prints it, and then it gets stuck on the box.
Now you know.
> Is there a currently released
> Linux Netbook that delivers that kind of battery life? No!
My Linux EEPC900 goes 6 hours on a charge, while being used, and it just
uses a Mobile Celeron 900Mhz.
I believe the ARM units will blow any and all Windows small notebooks out of
the water where battery life is concerned.
Tim Smith
Megabyte <megabyt...@sent.com> wrote:
> Yes, the price is sure getting elevated. Check Amazon.com:
> <http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ne
> tbook>
>
> ASUS 1000HE $383.89
> ASUS 900HA $258.99
>
> Of course the lower battery life, wait a minute, hmm, doesn't the 1000HE
> advertise 9.5 hours of battery life, hmm, doesn't the sticker on the
> 1000HE state that? How could that be? Is there a currently released
> Linux Netbook that delivers that kind of battery life? No!
The funny thing about battery life is that when the Linux netbooks were
happy to get 3 hours running on low end processors, the MacBook Air was
getting 4.27 hours in real-world wireless browsing and MP3 playback
tests, according to Anandtech, 3.4 hours of DVD playback, and 2.4 hours
of XviD playback, web browsing, and heavy downloading, with a Core2 Duo
and a 13.3" screen.
The Air wasn't even much bigger, by volume, than the typical 9 or 10"
netbook--the volumes were within maybe 5-10%. The Air does way about a
pound more, though.
The nice thing is that with the Air, you have that much more powerful
CPU. It's not meant to be a main notebook--it is meant as the
browsing/writing/note taking notebook--but if you do need to crank out
some Photoshop work or do some Mathematica calculations, you can. Your
battery life will go down, but at least you have the option of using it
for the more heavy duty stuff. With the netbook, and its low
performance processor, you are stuck with the low performance, even if
you are running off AC.
Where the heck are the Linux netbooks with Core2 Duo processors and 4
hours battery life?
--
--Tim Smith
Kevin Young
Yes but the Air costs about 5 times the price of a Netbook. For 5 times
the price you should get a performance boost yet they saddle it with a
4200 rpm drive. The Air is a nice looking machine but $2,000 cdn to
$2,750 cdn is way too much for it in my opinion.
The battery life out of the 1000HE is unreal, I've been using it for
about half an hour or more on battery with wireless, downloading
openOffice, reading news and email and I'm showing 6 hours and 50
minutes (90%) remaining. I've never found the performance to be an
issue for the stuff I do on it and I'm running with Windows 7 RC. The
only modifications I've made was adding 1 GB of RAM and swapping the
hard drive for a 320 GB 7200 RPM drive.
Roy just posted a Computer World article referencing 6 + hours on ARM,
if that is the case Atom based Netbooks like this one have nothing to
fear from ARM other than perhaps price.
Gregory Shearman
amicus curious.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Terry Porter
LOL!
Hadron
And there you are caught out.
Who the hell would be downloading Open Office on wireless not plugged
in?
> minutes (90%) remaining. I've never found the performance to be an
> issue for the stuff I do on it and I'm running with Windows 7 RC. The
And yet a 4200 HD limits you!?!?!?
> only modifications I've made was adding 1 GB of RAM and swapping the
> hard drive for a 320 GB 7200 RPM drive.
Aha!
>
> Roy just posted a Computer World article referencing 6 + hours on ARM,
> if that is the case Atom based Netbooks like this one have nothing to
> fear from ARM other than perhaps price.
Take a doggy drop.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <zdRVl.30560$PH1.77@edtnps82>,
> Megabyte <megabyt...@sent.com> wrote:
>> Yes, the price is sure getting elevated. Check Amazon.com:
>> <http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ne
>> tbook>
>>
>> ASUS 1000HE $383.89
>> ASUS 900HA $258.99
>>
>> Of course the lower battery life, wait a minute, hmm, doesn't the 1000HE
>> advertise 9.5 hours of battery life, hmm, doesn't the sticker on the
>> 1000HE state that? How could that be? Is there a currently released
>> Linux Netbook that delivers that kind of battery life? No!
>
> The funny thing about battery life is that when the Linux netbooks were
> happy to get 3 hours running on low end processors, the MacBook Air was
> getting 4.27 hours in real-world wireless browsing and MP3 playback
> tests, according to Anandtech, 3.4 hours of DVD playback, and 2.4 hours
> of XviD playback, web browsing, and heavy downloading, with a Core2 Duo
> and a 13.3" screen.
Wow. Pay a lot more, get a better battery!
> Where the heck are the Linux netbooks with Core2 Duo processors and 4
> hours battery life?
Let's just let that one float awhile.
--
O, what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive.
-- Sir Walter Scott, "Marmion"
Peter Köhlmann
Do you once in a while try to make sense or is the tiny rest of your brain
now rotten, too?
It takes a few *minutes* at most to download OpenOffice completely on DSL
In your zeal to attack pro-linux posters you neglect even extremely simple
math, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
coordinator", "email sage", "tripwire wizard", "Pulseaudio rockstar" and
"OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
Richard, aka Damian O'Leary, aka Steve Townsend, aka Ubuntu King
--
It's sweet to be remembered, but it's often cheaper to be forgotten.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> And there you are caught out.
>>
>> Who the hell would be downloading Open Office on wireless not plugged
>> in?
>
> Do you once in a while try to make sense or is the tiny rest of your brain
> now rotten, too?
>
> It takes a few *minutes* at most to download OpenOffice completely on DSL
Hadron "Qualig" has been drinking again.
And although downloading a distro update is slower over G wireless, it can
all happen in the background, even with streaming audio playing. I do it
all the time on my laptop.
> In your zeal to attack pro-linux posters you neglect even extremely simple
> math, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
> expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
> professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
> coordinator", "email sage", "tripwire wizard", "Pulseaudio rockstar" and
> "OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
> Richard, aka Damian O'Leary, aka Steve Townsend, aka Ubuntu King
Math, schmath. Hadron's just opened the kimono even further on his lack of
experience actually using Linux.
--
All generalizations are false, including this one.
-- Mark Twain
chrisv
>Hadron snotted:
>
>> Kevin Young <ke...@kevinyoung.ca> writes:
>>>
>>> The battery life out of the 1000HE is unreal, I've been using it for
>>> about half an hour or more on battery with wireless, downloading
>>> openOffice, reading news and email and I'm showing 6 hours and 50
>>
>> And there you are caught out.
LOL! Oh, is he "caught out", "Hadron"?
What a fsckwit you are, "Hadron".
>> Who the hell would be downloading Open Office on wireless not plugged
>> in?
>
>Do you once in a while try to make sense or is the tiny rest of your brain
>now rotten, too?
>
>It takes a few *minutes* at most to download OpenOffice completely on DSL
>
>In your zeal to attack pro-linux posters you neglect even extremely simple
>math, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
>expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger
>professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
>coordinator", "email sage", "tripwire wizard", "Pulseaudio rockstar" and
>"OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
>Richard, aka Damian O'Leary, aka Steve Townsend, aka Ubuntu King
Of course, anyone saying good things about Linux must be attacked as
dishonest or ridiculous ("caught out", in this case) by the "true
Linux advocate" Hadron Quark.
--
"we have proven that people dont want to use OO at home in case it
corrupts their work docuemtns." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark
chrisv
>> What is the Australian expression for "Dick" as it is used in the USofA?
>
>amicus curious.
That means "rat", to me...
Kevin Young
Ever heard of Wireless N and a 15 MB Cable connection? Why the heck
would I plug in for a 147 MB download when it takes all of 3 or 4 minutes?
>
>
>> minutes (90%) remaining. I've never found the performance to be an
>> issue for the stuff I do on it and I'm running with Windows 7 RC. The
>
> And yet a 4200 HD limits you!?!?!?
>
Last time I checked 7200 rpm was faster than 4200 rpm. If you want to
use a 4200 rpm drive go for it.
Kevin Young
U.S. market is far bigger than the Canadian or Australian market. Roy
suggested Windows Netbooks were elevating in price when in fact they are
dropping which data from Amazon.com seems to support. I don't believe
you could purchase a 900HA for $259 a year ago.
>> Of course the lower battery life, wait a minute, hmm, doesn't the 1000HE
>> advertise 9.5 hours of battery life,
>
> And you believe that ?
>
I can assure you that they would have test results to prove that claim
or they would have been nailed for false advertising. Reality of course
is that to get 9.5 hours out of it they would have had wireless and
bluetooth off, and screen brightness on likely one bar. Not a usable
scenario in practical terms. Getting 6.5 to 7+ hours is not however
unrealistic in normal use.
>> hmm, doesn't the sticker on the
>> 1000HE state that?
>
> And you believe that ?
>
See above.
>> How could that be?
>
> Easy to explain. Some sales droid tells the printer to put that on the
> sticker order, the printer prints it, and then it gets stuck on the box.
>
> Now you know.
>
What I know is from actual use, what you purport to know is from
glancing in a shop and giving the sales clerk a tough time.
>> Is there a currently released
>> Linux Netbook that delivers that kind of battery life? No!
>
> My Linux EEPC900 goes 6 hours on a charge, while being used, and it just
> uses a Mobile Celeron 900Mhz.
>
So why do you have such a hard time believing that a newer Eee PC
Netbook with a second generation Atom chip could provide even better
battery life?
> I believe the ARM units will blow any and all Windows small notebooks out of
> the water where battery life is concerned.
>
>
I actually hope you are right. If they can provide similar performance
and improved battery life over the Atom it would be great. If they
however, offer worse performance and similar battery life there will not
be a real advantage to them other than perhaps cost. Time will tell.
I have yet to see any battery life OEM claims for ARM or for that
matter any real life tests. The article Roy referenced said 6+ hours
where other articles have suggested over 9 hours.
amicus_curious
"Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:slrnh2hh0q.9q...@netscape.net...
case. Do you also delight in harassing clerks at retail outlets with your
superior knowledge of software and computers? I wouldn't have thought that
would be the case, but perhaps I am wrong.
Gregory Shearman
That's because you're not Australian.
Gregory Shearman
You're flattered at having your name mean being a "Dick"... OK...
> Do you also delight in harassing clerks at retail outlets with your
> superior knowledge of software and computers?
No, I just assume that my knowledge is superior and go from there. I
just tell sales people that I'm "just browsing". When I find what I
want.. I get them to wrap it up... nothing easier.
> I wouldn't have thought that would be the case, but perhaps I am
> wrong.
In your case, it would be a safe bet to assume you are wrong.
Terry Porter
Regardless, Netbooks are elevating in price when sold with XP. *THATS* my
point.
>
>>> Of course the lower battery life, wait a minute, hmm, doesn't the 1000HE
>>> advertise 9.5 hours of battery life,
>>
>> And you believe that ?
>>
> I can assure you that they would have test results to prove that claim
> or they would have been nailed for false advertising.
Are you a child ?
False advertising has to be proven to be false.
> Reality of course
> is that to get 9.5 hours out of it they would have had wireless and
> bluetooth off, and screen brightness on likely one bar. Not a usable
> scenario in practical terms.
This is the crux of the matter, they claim "9.5 hours of battery life"
but the fine print shows its under unusable conditions, yet you say you
believe it .
> Getting 6.5 to 7+ hours is not however
> unrealistic in normal use.
>
>>> hmm, doesn't the sticker on the
>>> 1000HE state that?
>>
>> And you believe that ?
>>
>
> See above.
>
>>> How could that be?
>>
>> Easy to explain. Some sales droid tells the printer to put that on the
>> sticker order, the printer prints it, and then it gets stuck on the box.
>>
>> Now you know.
>>
>
> What I know is from actual use, what you purport to know is from
> glancing in a shop and giving the sales clerk a tough time.
So, you're the guardian and protector of conscienceless sales droids who
would sell a lemon to anyone ?
>
>>> Is there a currently released
>>> Linux Netbook that delivers that kind of battery life? No!
>>
>> My Linux EEPC900 goes 6 hours on a charge, while being used, and it just
>> uses a Mobile Celeron 900Mhz.
>>
>
> So why do you have such a hard time believing that a newer Eee PC
> Netbook with a second generation Atom chip could provide even better
> battery life?
I have a hard time believing that a WINDOWS anything has better battery life
than the equivalent in Linux.
>
>> I believe the ARM units will blow any and all Windows small notebooks out
>> of the water where battery life is concerned.
>>
>>
>
> I actually hope you are right. If they can provide similar performance
> and improved battery life over the Atom it would be great. If they
> however, offer worse performance and similar battery life there will not
> be a real advantage to them other than perhaps cost.
What leads you to believe this will be the case ?
> Time will tell.
> I have yet to see any battery life OEM claims for ARM or for that
> matter any real life tests.
I get 5 hrs out of my Linux ARM handheld, and it uses a mobile phone
battery. Now you have proof.
> The article Roy referenced said 6+ hours
> where other articles have suggested over 9 hours.
--
amicus_curious
>
> You're flattered at having your name mean being a "Dick"... OK...
>
standard of comparison at anything is an achievement rarely attained by
anyone. It makes you the acknowledged leader of the pack even when the pack
is disliked by many. A small pack is better than no pack at all.
>> Do you also delight in harassing clerks at retail outlets with your
>> superior knowledge of software and computers?
>
> No, I just assume that my knowledge is superior and go from there. I
> just tell sales people that I'm "just browsing". When I find what I
> want.. I get them to wrap it up... nothing easier.
>
Well, that is pretty normal, I would agree. Porter, OTOH, seems to delight
in harrassing them. I think that is rather juvenile and shows a lack of
self-confidence and poise. Wouldn't you agree? You need not answer if you
feel too pressured.
>> I wouldn't have thought that would be the case, but perhaps I am
>> wrong.
>
> In your case, it would be a safe bet to assume you are wrong.
>
I don't believe you really meant that. It would imply that my belief in
your fundamental stability was misplaced.
amicus_curious
"Moshe Goldfarb" <goldfa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ng7je8bw8fjb.1m865aqyx4xj5$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On 6 Jun 2009 06:56:47 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>
>> No, I just assume that my knowledge is superior and go from there.
>
> IOW the priest, high priest and the peons.
>
> Fortunately for Linux, people like you Shearman, are pretty much
> extinct.
> You went out with Pine and punched cards.
>
But at least he has sufficient social awareness to keep his thoughts to
himself while out and about in public. Porter seems to relish making a
scene over it.
Kevin Young
No but by asking that you are doing a good imitation.
> False advertising has to be proven to be false.
>
>> Reality of course
>> is that to get 9.5 hours out of it they would have had wireless and
>> bluetooth off, and screen brightness on likely one bar. Not a usable
>> scenario in practical terms.
>
> This is the crux of the matter, they claim "9.5 hours of battery life"
> but the fine print shows its under unusable conditions, yet you say you
> believe it .
Do you not think the ARM OEM's will not make exactly the same claims?
>
>> Getting 6.5 to 7+ hours is not however
>> unrealistic in normal use.
>>
>>>> hmm, doesn't the sticker on the
>>>> 1000HE state that?
>>> And you believe that ?
>>>
>> See above.
>>
>>>> How could that be?
>>> Easy to explain. Some sales droid tells the printer to put that on the
>>> sticker order, the printer prints it, and then it gets stuck on the box.
>>>
>>> Now you know.
>>>
>> What I know is from actual use, what you purport to know is from
>> glancing in a shop and giving the sales clerk a tough time.
>
> So, you're the guardian and protector of conscienceless sales droids who
> would sell a lemon to anyone ?
>
Oh, please! Did treating him rudely boost your ego?
>>>> Is there a currently released
>>>> Linux Netbook that delivers that kind of battery life? No!
>>> My Linux EEPC900 goes 6 hours on a charge, while being used, and it just
>>> uses a Mobile Celeron 900Mhz.
>>>
>> So why do you have such a hard time believing that a newer Eee PC
>> Netbook with a second generation Atom chip could provide even better
>> battery life?
>
> I have a hard time believing that a WINDOWS anything has better battery life
> than the equivalent in Linux.
>
Yes, because you refuse to take off the blinders and acknowledge that
Linux is not perfect at everything.
>>> I believe the ARM units will blow any and all Windows small notebooks out
>>> of the water where battery life is concerned.
>>>
>>>
>> I actually hope you are right. If they can provide similar performance
>> and improved battery life over the Atom it would be great. If they
>> however, offer worse performance and similar battery life there will not
>> be a real advantage to them other than perhaps cost.
>
> What leads you to believe this will be the case ?
Because benchmarks on ARM Netbooks are not available. All we seem to
have to date is some looks at prototypes and the spin from the chip
manufacturers.
>
>> Time will tell.
>> I have yet to see any battery life OEM claims for ARM or for that
>> matter any real life tests.
>
> I get 5 hrs out of my Linux ARM handheld, and it uses a mobile phone
> battery. Now you have proof.
>
No thanks, you are comparing a product you have today with a new product
that is not yet available. Your bias is very clear so I'll gladly wait
for independent benchmarks and tests.
Gregory Shearman
>
> "Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnh2k4pe.9e...@netscape.net...
>>
>> You're flattered at having your name mean being a "Dick"... OK...
>>
> Well, you are too superficial as always. Certainly being considered the
> standard of comparison at anything is an achievement rarely attained by
> anyone. It makes you the acknowledged leader of the pack even when the pack
> is disliked by many. A small pack is better than no pack at all.
I see your point... You crave attention, even if it is only *negative*
attention... I understand.
>>
>> No, I just assume that my knowledge is superior and go from there. I
>> just tell sales people that I'm "just browsing". When I find what I
>> want.. I get them to wrap it up... nothing easier.
>>
> Well, that is pretty normal, I would agree. Porter, OTOH, seems to delight
> in harrassing them. I think that is rather juvenile and shows a lack of
> self-confidence and poise. Wouldn't you agree? You need not answer if you
> feel too pressured.
Nope. From what I remember of the discussion, the sales droid was trying
to steer Mr Porter away from the Linux offerings, rather than listen to
the customer and respond to their needs. I sometimes get door-to-door
hawkers who won't take no for an answer and have to shut the bloody door
in their faces.... that doesn't mean I'm harassing them.
>>> I wouldn't have thought that would be the case, but perhaps I am
>>> wrong.
>>
>> In your case, it would be a safe bet to assume you are wrong.
>>
> I don't believe you really meant that. It would imply that my belief in
> your fundamental stability was misplaced.
I'm not stable... never have been. I'm a square-peg in a round hole, I'm
the fly in the ointment... I have problems with authority...
I don't think I'll change, not at this late stage of my life.
Still, it's safe to assume you are wrong, about most things, but
*especially* about how the rest of the world lives.
Gregory Shearman
Pine? I don't like it. I prefer Mutt. It's a fantastic email program...
far better than buggy Kmail... (god I hate that app!).
Tim Smith
Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
> >> No, I just assume that my knowledge is superior and go from there. I
> >> just tell sales people that I'm "just browsing". When I find what I
> >> want.. I get them to wrap it up... nothing easier.
> >>
> > Well, that is pretty normal, I would agree. Porter, OTOH, seems to delight
> > in harrassing them. I think that is rather juvenile and shows a lack of
> > self-confidence and poise. Wouldn't you agree? You need not answer if you
> > feel too pressured.
>
> Nope. From what I remember of the discussion, the sales droid was trying
> to steer Mr Porter away from the Linux offerings, rather than listen to
> the customer and respond to their needs. I sometimes get door-to-door
You misremember. There were no Linux offerings--the store only carried
Windows netbooks.
--
--Tim Smith
Gregory Shearman
Irrelevant. If the customer wants Linux and asks for it, what should the
shop assistant do? Tell 'em to take Windows or nothing?
Terry Porter
Timmytroll is definitely towing the troll party line here and making a lot
of claims, but quoting nothing I said.
Just another troll,.
Hadron
> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> On 2009-06-07, Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>> In article <slrnh2ml6s.9c...@netscape.net>, Gregory Shearman
>>> <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>>> >> No, I just assume that my knowledge is superior and go from there.
>>>> >> I just tell sales people that I'm "just browsing". When I find
>>>> >> what I want.. I get them to wrap it up... nothing easier.
>>>> >>
>>>> > Well, that is pretty normal, I would agree. Porter, OTOH, seems to
>>>> > delight in harrassing them. I think that is rather juvenile and
>>>> > shows a lack of self-confidence and poise. Wouldn't you agree?
>>>> > You need not answer if you feel too pressured.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. From what I remember of the discussion, the sales droid was
>>>> trying to steer Mr Porter away from the Linux offerings, rather than
>>>> listen to the customer and respond to their needs. I sometimes get
>>>> door-to-door
>>>
>>> You misremember. There were no Linux offerings--the store only carried
>>> Windows netbooks.
>>
>> Irrelevant. If the customer wants Linux and asks for it, what should the
>> shop assistant do? Tell 'em to take Windows or nothing?
>>
Well, he's not much of a sales assistant if he does not do exactly
that. If someone is so clued in that the KNOW they want Linux then there
are other places and no "sales droid" (you Linux loonies sure have high
opinions of yourselves and look down on others a lot) will convince them
otherwise.
>
>
> Timmytroll is definitely towing the troll party line here and making a lot
> of claims, but quoting nothing I said.
>
> Just another troll,.
Another classic non post from Terry "Telnet" Porter.
amicus_curious
> On 2009-06-06, amicus_curious <AC...@sti.net> wrote:
>>
>> "Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> news:slrnh2k4pe.9e...@netscape.net...
>>>
>>> You're flattered at having your name mean being a "Dick"... OK...
>>>
>> Well, you are too superficial as always. Certainly being considered the
>> standard of comparison at anything is an achievement rarely attained by
>> anyone. It makes you the acknowledged leader of the pack even when the
>> pack
>> is disliked by many. A small pack is better than no pack at all.
>
> I see your point... You crave attention, even if it is only *negative*
> attention... I understand.
>
that I "crave" the attention, I am simply flattered that you deign to pay so
much attention that you would think me to be the very standard to which
others would be compared. Can you see the distinction?
>>>
>>> No, I just assume that my knowledge is superior and go from there. I
>>> just tell sales people that I'm "just browsing". When I find what I
>>> want.. I get them to wrap it up... nothing easier.
>>>
>> Well, that is pretty normal, I would agree. Porter, OTOH, seems to
>> delight
>> in harrassing them. I think that is rather juvenile and shows a lack of
>> self-confidence and poise. Wouldn't you agree? You need not answer if
>> you
>> feel too pressured.
>
> Nope. From what I remember of the discussion, the sales droid was trying
> to steer Mr Porter away from the Linux offerings, rather than listen to
> the customer and respond to their needs. I sometimes get door-to-door
> hawkers who won't take no for an answer and have to shut the bloody door
> in their faces.... that doesn't mean I'm harassing them.
>
Well you don't have to strain to remember, just review the post.
"I said it's a shame that there were no Linux netbooks any more, and he
replied 'but these are the top-of-the-line netbooks'.
My withering reply stopped him in his tracks, when I informed him that no,
Windows was not 'top of the line, but a piece of abject junk', and not fit
for use on a computer.
These people aren't used to dealing with anyone who actually has a good
working knowledge of tech gear"
The only mystery is whether the clerk said to himself, "Dick!" or
"Asshole!". I think that I would have thought the former.
Perhaps ;if the fellow had come around knocking on doors and insisting that
you buy an XP netbook, you would have some grounds for being rude, but Port
went to the store and proceeded to berate the clerk for offering the store's
view of the merchandise. Do all Australians behave that way or just the
dicks?
>>>> I wouldn't have thought that would be the case, but perhaps I am
>>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> In your case, it would be a safe bet to assume you are wrong.
>>>
>> I don't believe you really meant that. It would imply that my belief in
>> your fundamental stability was misplaced.
>
> I'm not stable... never have been. I'm a square-peg in a round hole, I'm
> the fly in the ointment... I have problems with authority...
>
> I don't think I'll change, not at this late stage of my life.
>
A romantic sort of notion, but I do not see any evidence that you are at all
successful at it. You protest any suggestion that batteries are not so
important unless you are in the wilderness by complaining that you are
disrespected by the implication. That behavior hardly fits your stated
self-image.
amicus_curious
of the line. There was apparently no further conversation due to Porters
withering remarks. Who would want to deal with a dick anyway?
amicus_curious
"Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:h0gc6g$cko$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
>> I don't believe you really meant that. It would imply that my belief in
>> your fundamental stability was misplaced.
>
> I'm not stable... never have been. I'm a square-peg in a round hole, I'm
> the fly in the ointment... I have problems with authority...
>
> I don't think I'll change, not at this late stage of my life.
Me too.
> Still, it's safe to assume you are wrong, about most things, but
> *especially* about how the rest of the world lives.
That is a given. Amicus is another loafer-wearing neo-conservative enjoying
getting vastly overpaid for what he does, I'll bet.
--
Try to value useful qualities in one who loves you.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Pine? I don't like it. I prefer Mutt. It's a fantastic email program...
> far better than buggy Kmail... (god I hate that app!).
Mutt is /great/! Fast, infinitely configurable, and you can pick just about
whatever mail transport agents you prefer.
As for pine, my wife used it (on a Linux box set up by the school) for a
long time. They switched over to Exchange, sadly, but she likes Outlook
(bleh!), though at home she uses web-mail. At least, when the DNS hasn't
been hijacked.
--
You will soon meet a person who will play an important role in your life.
Peter Köhlmann
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Pine? I don't like it. I prefer Mutt. It's a fantastic email program...
>> far better than buggy Kmail... (god I hate that app!).
>
> Mutt is /great/! Fast, infinitely configurable, and you can pick just
> about whatever mail transport agents you prefer.
And it is even widely used...
--
"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
-- Groucho Marx
Gregory Shearman
>
> "Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:slrnh2ml6s.9c...@netscape.net...
>> On 2009-06-06, amicus_curious <AC...@sti.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>> news:slrnh2k4pe.9e...@netscape.net...
>>>>
>>>> You're flattered at having your name mean being a "Dick"... OK...
>>>>
>>> Well, you are too superficial as always. Certainly being considered the
>>> standard of comparison at anything is an achievement rarely attained by
>>> anyone. It makes you the acknowledged leader of the pack even when the
>>> pack
>>> is disliked by many. A small pack is better than no pack at all.
>>
>> I see your point... You crave attention, even if it is only *negative*
>> attention... I understand.
>>
> You are still missing the thought, it seems. There is nothing to suggest
> that I "crave" the attention, I am simply flattered that you deign to pay so
> much attention that you would think me to be the very standard to which
> others would be compared. Can you see the distinction?
There's no distinction. You crave attention, even negative attention.
BTW, that's a troll signature.
>> Nope. From what I remember of the discussion, the sales droid was trying
>> to steer Mr Porter away from the Linux offerings, rather than listen to
>> the customer and respond to their needs. I sometimes get door-to-door
>> hawkers who won't take no for an answer and have to shut the bloody door
>> in their faces.... that doesn't mean I'm harassing them.
>>
> Well you don't have to strain to remember, just review the post.
>
> "I said it's a shame that there were no Linux netbooks any more, and he
> replied 'but these are the top-of-the-line netbooks'.
>
> My withering reply stopped him in his tracks, when I informed him that no,
> Windows was not 'top of the line, but a piece of abject junk', and not fit
> for use on a computer.
>
> These people aren't used to dealing with anyone who actually has a good
> working knowledge of tech gear"
>
> The only mystery is whether the clerk said to himself, "Dick!" or
> "Asshole!". I think that I would have thought the former.
Well, the sales droid would be entitled to their opinion, just as the
customer is entitled to their opinion.
>> I'm not stable... never have been. I'm a square-peg in a round hole, I'm
>> the fly in the ointment... I have problems with authority...
>>
>> I don't think I'll change, not at this late stage of my life.
>>
> A romantic sort of notion, but I do not see any evidence that you are at all
> successful at it. You protest any suggestion that batteries are not so
> important unless you are in the wilderness by complaining that you are
> disrespected by the implication. That behavior hardly fits your stated
> self-image.
You know nothing about me, and you make up stories to satisfy that lack.
Gregory Shearman
Hmmm... I wouldn't know anything about Mr AC. I only respond to the
posts.
Gregory Shearman
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Pine? I don't like it. I prefer Mutt. It's a fantastic email program...
>> far better than buggy Kmail... (god I hate that app!).
>
> Mutt is /great/! Fast, infinitely configurable, and you can pick just about
> whatever mail transport agents you prefer.
I've done away with my mail server and I use Mutt to process my email
via IMAP connections to various servers. Works without a flaw... and it
doesn't crash!
Homer
> On 2009-06-05, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>>>> What is the Australian expression for "Dick" as it is used in
>>>> the USofA?
>>> amicus curious.
>> That means "rat", to me...
>
> That's because you're not Australian.
"Bondi Cigar" would be a better description of amicus_unscrupulous.
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which
| the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf
| denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty.
| Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of
| the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today
| among human creatures." ~ Abraham Lincoln
`----
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.26.8-57.fc8
23:07:37 up 10 days, 3:05, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.04
Tim Smith
Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> You misremember. There were no Linux offerings--the store only carried
> >> Windows netbooks.
>
> Timmytroll is definitely towing the troll party line here and making a lot
> of claims, but quoting nothing I said.
>
> Just another troll,.
Hey, I'm just relying on what some Australian guy named Terry Porter
reported, in message
<XNSdnd6Jap6p4brX...@netspace.net.au>
He said:
Where the Linux netbooks once proudly sat, with price tags from $375
to $450, there is now nothing but Windows and prices start at $575
for a discontinued 9" dell running Windows.
...
In no time a salesman approached me, offering his help.
I said it's a shame that there were no Linux netbooks any more, and
he replied 'but these are the top-of-the-line netbooks'.
So, which Australian is telling the truth, the June 7th Terry Porter,
who says I'm wrong about the store not having Linux netbooks, or the
June 4th Terry Porter, who is the one who told us that there were no
Linux netbooks there?
--
--Tim Smith
Hadron
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-06-07, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>>> I don't believe you really meant that. It would imply that my belief in
>>>> your fundamental stability was misplaced.
>>>
>>> I'm not stable... never have been. I'm a square-peg in a round hole, I'm
>>> the fly in the ointment... I have problems with authority...
>>>
>>> I don't think I'll change, not at this late stage of my life.
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>>> Still, it's safe to assume you are wrong, about most things, but
>>> *especially* about how the rest of the world lives.
>>
>> That is a given. Amicus is another loafer-wearing neo-conservative enjoying
>> getting vastly overpaid for what he does, I'll bet.
>
> Hmmm... I wouldn't know anything about Mr AC. I only respond to the
> posts.
Well, I get my opinion from his long-time bragging about money and dismissal
of Free software.
--
Stay away from flying saucers today.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-06-07, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Pine? I don't like it. I prefer Mutt. It's a fantastic email program...
>>> far better than buggy Kmail... (god I hate that app!).
>>
>> Mutt is /great/! Fast, infinitely configurable, and you can pick just about
>> whatever mail transport agents you prefer.
>
> I've done away with my mail server and I use Mutt to process my email
> via IMAP connections to various servers. Works without a flaw... and it
> doesn't crash!
Yeah, I gotta look into IMAP for the Goog and BellSouth one of these days.
--
You are taking yourself far too seriously.
Gregory Shearman
> Verily I say unto thee, that Gregory Shearman spake thusly:
>> On 2009-06-05, chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>
>>>>> What is the Australian expression for "Dick" as it is used in
>>>>> the USofA?
>>>> amicus curious.
>>> That means "rat", to me...
>>
>> That's because you're not Australian.
>
> "Bondi Cigar" would be a better description of amicus_unscrupulous.
Hmmm... one hopes that our sewerage treatment has improved.....
Gregory Shearman
> I wrote:
>> Hmmm... I wouldn't know anything about Mr AC. I only respond to the
>> posts.
>
> Well, I get my opinion from his long-time bragging about money and dismissal
> of Free software.
I've never heard AC brag about money.
Gregory Shearman
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2009-06-07, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
>>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Pine? I don't like it. I prefer Mutt. It's a fantastic email program...
>>>> far better than buggy Kmail... (god I hate that app!).
>>>
>>> Mutt is /great/! Fast, infinitely configurable, and you can pick just about
>>> whatever mail transport agents you prefer.
>>
>> I've done away with my mail server and I use Mutt to process my email
>> via IMAP connections to various servers. Works without a flaw... and it
>> doesn't crash!
>
> Yeah, I gotta look into IMAP for the Goog and BellSouth one of these days.
IMAP for Google is easy. They provide a page to tell you how IIRC. Can't
help you with the other one.
chrisv
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> That is a given. Amicus is another loafer-wearing neo-conservative enjoying
>> getting vastly overpaid for what he does, I'll bet.
>
>Hmmm... I wouldn't know anything about Mr AC. I only respond to the
>posts.
He must have a hole in the back of his pants, to allow his tail to
stick-out. Or to provide easy entry for "Hadron"...
Homer
Oooh, that's cold.
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which
| the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf
| denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty.
| Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of
| the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today
| among human creatures." ~ Abraham Lincoln
`----
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.26.8-57.fc8
16:45:38 up 10 days, 20:43, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
Gregory Shearman
> Verily I say unto thee, that chrisv spake thusly:
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> That is a given. Amicus is another loafer-wearing neo-conservative
>>>> enjoying getting vastly overpaid for what he does, I'll bet.
>>> Hmmm... I wouldn't know anything about Mr AC. I only respond to the
>>> posts.
>>
>> He must have a hole in the back of his pants, to allow his tail to
>> stick-out. Or to provide easy entry for "Hadron"...
>
> Oooh, that's cold.
It's disgusting.
Matt
> I only needed lever arch files and paper, but decided to browse the
> netbook/notebook isles.
>
> Where the Linux netbooks once proudly sat, with price tags from $375 to
> $450, there is now nothing but Windows and prices start at $575 for a
> discontinued 9" dell running Windows.
>
>
> I can buy the following DEll 10.1" netbook for $424 delivered in Australia
> from Dell online. This 'superstore' from which I have previously bought two
> Acer Aspire 110s, is unlikely to ever get any money from me again for
> netbooks.
>
> My Components
> (PRODUCT) RED ?
> 1Yr Ltd Warranty and Mail-In Service
> 16GB Solid State Drive
> 56WHr Lithium-Ion Battery (6-cell)
> Wireless 802.11g/n (1510) Mini Card
> My Accessories
> Also Includes
> Inspiron Mini 10v
> UBUNTU 8.04 (Standard Edition)
> Intel� Atom Processor� N270 (1.6GHz/533Mhz FSB/512K cache)
> 10.1" Widescreen Display (1024x576)
> Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (GMA) 950
> 1GB DDR2 SDRAM
> Integrated 1.3M Pixel Webcam
>
> price: $424
>
>
> In no time a salesman approached me, offering his help.
>
> I said it's a shame that there were no Linux netbooks any more, and he
> replied 'but these are the top-of-the-line netbooks'.
>
> Windows was not 'top of the line, but a piece of abject junk', and not fit
> for use on a computer.
You really set that guy straight.
> These people aren't used to dealing with anyone who actually has a good
> working knowledge of tech gear.
>
> They are used to clueless sheeple buying their sales talk.