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[H]omer

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Oct 19, 2007, 8:39:12 AM10/19/07
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PC retailer's hard facts contradicts Microsoft's success claims:

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| While Microsoft continues to praise the market success of its
| latest operating system, the number of critical voices and negative
| comments on sales figures for Vista continues to rise. Now, the
| Dixon Store Group (DSG), a British retail chain, has released
| specific figures. The firm says that it earned 20 million pounds
| less in the first two quarters of the year because sales of Vista
| products did not meet expectations.
|
| The DSG says it has had to write off excess inventory, which
| brought down the retailer's gross margin by 2 percent. The Group
| says that far fewer Vista computers were sold at its PC World chain
| than were put on inventory.
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http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/97655/from/rss09

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.----
| "[Microsoft] are willing to lose money for years and years just to
| make sure that you don't make any money, either." - Bob Cringely.
| - http://blog.businessofsoftware.org/2007/07/cringely-the-un.html
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Roy Schestowitz

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Oct 19, 2007, 8:46:38 AM10/19/07
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____/ [H]omer on Friday 19 October 2007 13:39 : \____

> PC retailer's hard facts contradicts Microsoft's success claims:
>
> .----
> | While Microsoft continues to praise the market success of its
> | latest operating system, the number of critical voices and negative
> | comments on sales figures for Vista continues to rise. Now, the
> | Dixon Store Group (DSG), a British retail chain, has released
> | specific figures. The firm says that it earned 20 million pounds
> | less in the first two quarters of the year because sales of Vista
> | products did not meet expectations.
> |
> | The DSG says it has had to write off excess inventory, which
> | brought down the retailer's gross margin by 2 percent. The Group
> | says that far fewer Vista computers were sold at its PC World chain
> | than were put on inventory.
> `----
>
> http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/97655/from/rss09

Join the club and start exploring Linux.

Acer: PC industry 'disappointed' with Vista

,----[ Quote
| Acer president Gianfranco Lanci became the first major PC manufacturer to
| openly attack Microsoft over the Windows Vista operating system in the
| Financial Times Deutschland on Monday.
|
| Lanci said the operating system was riddled with problems and gave users and
| businesses no reason to buy a new PC, according to the report. Taiwan-based
| Acer is the world's fourth-largest PC manufacturer, after HP, Dell and
| Lenovo.
|
| "The whole industry is disappointed with Windows Vista," Lanci said.
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http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=9579

A move to Linux worked well for Dell.

,----[ Quote ]
| Initially, I was skeptical about Dell's decision to sell selected consumer
| PCs with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed.
|
| But after a few days of testing, I'm a skeptic no more. And I'm not alone.
| Dell insiders tell me that the Ubuntu PCs, introduced in late May, are
| selling well -- though they decline to share exact sales figures with
| me.
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http://software.seekingalpha.com/article/39413

It keeps spreading ("like cancer", to use Ballmer's words)

Linux Rolls On [to other countries]

,----[ Quote ]
| Know some of you saw this in last week's post, but I wanted to be clear that
| Dell does have plans to offer Linux to more consumers in additional locations
| outside the United States. More details to come later this summer. We will
| also offer Ubuntu to small business customers in the future.  
`----

http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/07/06/20256.aspx

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DFS

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Oct 19, 2007, 9:08:11 AM10/19/07
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[H]omer wrote:

>> The DSG says it has had to write off excess inventory, which
>> brought down the retailer's gross margin by 2 percent. The Group
>> says that far fewer Vista computers were sold at its PC World chain
>> than were put on inventory.
> `----
>
> http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/97655/from/rss09

Maybe they should try to sell Linux systems - and take the plunge into
bankruptcy.


7

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Oct 19, 2007, 9:37:56 AM10/19/07
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Micoshaft's Asstroturfer DFS wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:


May be they have been selling Linux long before this to eliminate
the Micoshaft problem altogether.
May be bundling of an OS into a PC sale should have been made illegal a long
time ago and this situation would not have arisen.

May be people buy computers regardless of whatever OS is on them.

May be the arrogance of micoshaftees asstroturfing
to sell substandard products is not helping.


DFS

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Oct 19, 2007, 10:10:29 AM10/19/07
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7 wrote:
> Micoshaft's Asstroturfer DFS wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>
>> [H]omer wrote:
>>
>>>> The DSG says it has had to write off excess inventory, which
>>>> brought down the retailer's gross margin by 2 percent. The Group
>>>> says that far fewer Vista computers were sold at its PC World chain
>>>> than were put on inventory.
>>> `----
>>>
>>> http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/97655/from/rss09
>>
>> Maybe they should try to sell Linux systems - and take the plunge
>> into bankruptcy.
>
> May be they have been selling Linux long before this to eliminate
> the Micoshaft problem altogether.

Not sure what MS problem you refer to, but the world got what it wanted: we
purchased so much MS software that they became totally dominant.

> May be bundling of an OS into a PC sale should have been made illegal
> a long time ago and this situation would not have arisen.

You mean the situation where there is an enormous universe of excellent
commercial Windows software, and PC hardware is extremely inexpensive?

> May be people buy computers regardless of whatever OS is on them.

Definitely not. Or we would see lots of OEMs offering Linux and BSD and
OS/2, the way we see thousands of OEMs offering Windows.

> May be the arrogance of micoshaftees asstroturfing
> to sell substandard products is not helping.

Maybe Linux lusers should:

* quit blaming MS for every problem in their lives
* work on their substandard code until it's not substandard
* try to understand apps are what drives sales/adoption of operating systems
* start paying more so vendors can market more so Linux can compete more

7

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Oct 19, 2007, 10:26:11 AM10/19/07
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DFS wrote:

> 7 wrote:
>> Micoshaft's Asstroturfer DFS wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>
>>> [H]omer wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The DSG says it has had to write off excess inventory, which
>>>>> brought down the retailer's gross margin by 2 percent. The Group
>>>>> says that far fewer Vista computers were sold at its PC World chain
>>>>> than were put on inventory.
>>>> `----
>>>>
>>>> http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/97655/from/rss09
>>>
>>> Maybe they should try to sell Linux systems - and take the plunge
>>> into bankruptcy.
>>
>> May be they have been selling Linux long before this to eliminate
>> the Micoshaft problem altogether.
>
> Not sure what MS problem you refer to, but the world got what it wanted:
> we purchased so much MS software that they became totally dominant.

Actually no - they bought up a lot of competition through
investor's money and called it
their own - when in fact its not their own own work at all!
And it prevents those very same companies from rolling out
Linux versions of those software packages.

Its time to break up the monopoly because we don't seem to
be getting any choices.

Is this is how you advocate for Linux - by asstroturfing in COLA
on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation?


>> May be bundling of an OS into a PC sale should have been made illegal
>> a long time ago and this situation would not have arisen.
>
> You mean the situation where there is an enormous universe of excellent
> commercial Windows software, and PC hardware is extremely inexpensive?

Its the crappiest of all of the software and you are mis-selling it.
The problems with botnets swamping the entire net is proof.



>> May be people buy computers regardless of whatever OS is on them.
>
> Definitely not.

How do you know?
None of my customers notice it.

> Or we would see lots of OEMs offering Linux and BSD and
> OS/2, the way we see thousands of OEMs offering Windows.

They are on offer.
Once the playing field is levelled for pre-install
and naked PCs, the customer gets to choose.


>> May be the arrogance of micoshaftees asstroturfing
>> to sell substandard products is not helping.
>
> Maybe Linux lusers should:
>
> * quit blaming MS for every problem in their lives

May be after Micoshaft is broken up, this won't matter.

> * work on their substandard code until it's not substandard

May be after Micoshaft open sources their code, it won't matter.

> * try to understand apps are what drives sales/adoption of operating
> systems

May be if pre-install of windopws OS is banned and the playing
field is levelled with naked PCs, and the customer has choice
once more, then we will see which apps and OS is adopted faster.

It would also help if the back handers micoshaft illegally donates
to hardware companies like to Dell$ were made illegal and ALL that
has been donated is taken back with tripple damage fines to both
micoshaft and the companies that took the money, the playing
field will be so level, that the customer will flee to open source
from day one!

> * start paying more so vendors can market more so Linux can
> compete more

Linux doesn't pay backhanders to hardware vendors.
Any such activity is illegal and micoshaft should be broken up for it.
Trust micoshaftees to committ fraud actions to remain solvent!!!

Mark Kent

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Oct 19, 2007, 3:29:40 PM10/19/07
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Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:

> ____/ [H]omer on Friday 19 October 2007 13:39 : \____
>
>> PC retailer's hard facts contradicts Microsoft's success claims:
>>
>> .----
>> | While Microsoft continues to praise the market success of its
>> | latest operating system, the number of critical voices and negative
>> | comments on sales figures for Vista continues to rise. Now, the
>> | Dixon Store Group (DSG), a British retail chain, has released
>> | specific figures. The firm says that it earned 20 million pounds
>> | less in the first two quarters of the year because sales of Vista
>> | products did not meet expectations.
>> |
>> | The DSG says it has had to write off excess inventory, which
>> | brought down the retailer's gross margin by 2 percent. The Group
>> | says that far fewer Vista computers were sold at its PC World chain
>> | than were put on inventory.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/97655/from/rss09
>
> Join the club and start exploring Linux.

It's not good, is it? Missing sales targets by £20 million in 6 months
is pretty awful. Clearly, if they're just not selling, then the
channel-stuffing problem will reveal itself fairly soon.

I suspect that the price will probably fall quite significantly now, as
the retailers look for any way of cutting their losses. I can't see
them doing any such big deals with Microsoft in the future, though.


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Roy Schestowitz

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Oct 19, 2007, 4:42:05 PM10/19/07
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____/ Mark Kent on Friday 19 October 2007 20:29 : \____

> I can't see
> them doing any such big deals with Microsoft in the future, though.

Maybe they can stock some door wedges (aka Zune) and have Microsoft happy to
channel-stuff in another department. Oh, wait. Microsoft already
channel-stuffed Zunes and lied in press releases.

What else is not new?

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The Ghost In The Machine

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Oct 19, 2007, 10:12:00 AM10/19/07
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, DFS
<nospam@dfs_.com>
wrote
on Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:08:11 -0400
<x_1Si.419$m11...@bignews9.bellsouth.net>:

Well, clearly, the main problem with Microsoft Windows
Vista is that they didn't buy any music such as Rolling
Stones' _Start Me Up_ for it.

Unfortunately, the best I can do is Lindsay Lohan _A
Beautiful Life_ (La Bella Vista),

I don't know the melody offhand, but...

I'm starting to feel
All of my bruises imagined all real
I'll get through each day
Dip through the bad ones
To get to the good ones
Who's keeping score anyway

Ow.

Or the even scarier

I talk in my sleep
That's the one place I know no one can hear me
I tell my self things
Walk in the shadows, there's always tomorrow
And I'm right where I want to be

Auto-update, anyone?

Therefore, Microsoft had better be careful; they've already
goofed once with "you make a grown man cry". :-)

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