<http://digg.com/users/rodtrent/news/submitted>
and see for yourself whether that person is posting pro-MS/anti-Linux
FUD articles by the thousands like Roy claims.
Or this one, for just his technology submissions:
<http://digg.com/users/rodtrent/news/submitted/view/technology>
You've said you believe Roy, even though you admit you haven't checked.
Why not spend a couple minutes and find out for yourself?
--
--Tim Smith
Why are you forking the discussion? I removed you from my filter so that I
could see your reply to the previous accusation, made visible by GreyCloud
(repeated below).
__/ [ Maverick ] on Saturday 27 January 2007 21:47 \__
> Tim Smith wrote:
>> Latest check of rodtrent's Digg submissions shows he continues to only
>> post a small percentage that is pro-Microsoft, and also posts a similar
>> amount of pro-Linux or pro-open source items. Most of his posts are on
>> other topics, not related to Windows or Linux.
>>
>> So, where are those thousands of pro-Microsoft posts of his you keep
>> claiming?
Tim, are you being an imbecile or is this ignorance a case of deliberate
tease? Don't you see what's going on? The accusation that he was shilling
probably got to him (maybe even a warning from Digg!) and he now uses my
photo as his avatar, submit lots of pro-Open Source items, and even makes
the front page frequently (better than his miserable 1% success rate, maybe
because the submissions are truthful for a change).
Earlier today people whom I know there (I would not use the word "friends"
because of the whole 'digitisation' of friendships made it a binary
condition^R, which makes up a catalogue) asked about it and I'm just trying
to clarify that I'm not todtrend (a case of identity theft morelike). If he
doesn't take down the photo (and, yes, I told him about it), I'll just have
to ask Digg to take down his account (they know his affiliation and he feeds
his site/s, as well as friends'). It's not the first time that he does fishy
stuff. The staff at Digg knows me, so they'll be responsive. I once helped a
'friend' of mine get his account unbanned.
> HEAD-ON! APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD! HEAD-ON!
Tim is on the same path as the "Larry Qualig" troll. Hey, Tim, keep an eye on
your forehead. The vein my just pop soon.
I am not abusing (not proactively anyway) any of the trolls, so why don't you
just shut up, put up, or move to a Windows advocacy forum? This place is
intended to accommodate pro-Linux advocacy, not a flamewar. Your presence
here is a case of trolling (see Wikipedia definition), which isn't the case
of the scope was broader (e.g. more generic like Slashdot).
You are a troll. Cope with it, move on and find another hobby. Let the Linux
advocacy group advocate Linux. Don't let your employer decide to "bring
balance". Neither to Wikipedia, nor to pro-Linux forums.
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Reference the official FAQ found at
at http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/
> 1.4 The Charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy
>
> The charter of comp.os.linux.advocacy is:
>
> For discussion of the benefits of Linux compared to other operating
> systems.
>
> That single sentence is the one and only charter of the newsgroup
> comp.os.linux.advocacy. The newsgroup's charter is for the newsgroup as
> a place for supporters of Linux to gather to discuss Linux, for the
> betterment of the Linux community and the promotion and development of
> Linux. It supports this as a place for those who would like to learn
> more about Linux to come to learn from those who know Linux. It does
> not call for it to be a place where the anti-Linux propagandists to
> gather in order to discredit Linux.
Recommend posting according to the charter. Concerns of a poster's external
activity beyond c.o.l.advocacy are not "discussion of the benefits of Linux
compared to other operating operating systems", does not interest the Linux
advocates and is best left for other forums.
HPT
> Recommend posting according to the charter. Concerns of a poster's external
> activity beyond c.o.l.advocacy are not "discussion of the benefits of Linux
> compared to other operating operating systems", does not interest the Linux
> advocates and is best left for other forums.
Is it all right for Linux advocates to lie? I don't think so. And if it's
done it COLA, it is most definitely relevant.
--
Kier
Exactly. Roy made his claims about Rod Trent here. I went to Digg to
check them out. I found out that Roy was lying. So, I asked about it
here. Roy has evaded, changing his claims several times.
Roy brought his Digg feud here. So, he should justify his claims here,
or retract them.
Linux advocates who lie, or can't argue without insults or abuse, do not
do any good for Linux.
--
--Tim Smith
But are you a Linux advocate?
So far, it is a no show.
See my reply (posted earlier). As I said once before (an elaborate post), I
don't lie. If incorrect information is posted it's either because the source
was unreliable (I try to grab stories from the grapevine, before they hit
the news) or because I misunderstood something, in which case the mistake is
accidental. When an army of shills and a hudred nyms repeats the word "liar"
it forms The Big Lie, which yes... it is a lie in its own right. Let them
get to you and sooner or later you'll lose respect for honest folks, just as
you lost your trust in Rex (yes, I do respect him).
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> __/ [ Tim Smith ] on Saturday 27 January 2007 22:00 \__
>
>>
>> Here's a chance for you to show some integrity, Mark. Click this link:
>>
>> <http://digg.com/users/rodtrent/news/submitted>
>>
>> and see for yourself whether that person is posting pro-MS/anti-Linux
>> FUD articles by the thousands like Roy claims.
>>
>> Or this one, for just his technology submissions:
>>
>> <http://digg.com/users/rodtrent/news/submitted/view/technology>
>>
>> You've said you believe Roy, even though you admit you haven't checked.
>> Why not spend a couple minutes and find out for yourself?
>
> Why are you forking the discussion? I removed you from my filter so that I
> could see your reply to the previous accusation, made visible by GreyCloud
> (repeated below).
Tim Smith isn't forking the discussion, YOU Roy Schestowitz made a point,
several points in fact, to accuse Rod Trent of many nasty things.
You posted links which do NOT back up your claims.
Tim Smith has posted links which CLEARLY show Rod Trent to not be what you
are accusing him of being.
And lastly, you have been called many times to explain how you could
arrive at your conculsions.
The truth is Roy Schestowitz, that you are a bold faced LIAR.
You've been caught in a lie and now you squirm like a worm heading for the
hook.
And who the hell cares about your filters?
What are you Willy "Filters" Poaster II ?
You certainly seem about as boring as he is.
And, in addition to that, as far as your COLA charter is concerned, maybe
you would like to actually read it sometime because YOU, Roy Schestowitz,
violate it on a daily basis.
Hundreds of times a week in fact.
So now, are you going to answer Tim Smith's questions or are you going to
run and hide under Mark Kent's skirt?
Because ignorance is bliss. Mark doesn't let pesky little inconveniences
like the truth, facts or intellectual honesty interfere with the high
opinion he has of himself.
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How pathetic. HPT now thinks that he's a net-nanny.
Question for you Einstein... what part of 'This is a UNMODERATED newsgroup'
is too difficult for you to understand?
> __/ [ Kier ] on Saturday 27 January 2007 23:22 \__
>
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:11:24 +0900, High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>>> Recommend posting according to the charter. Concerns of a poster's
>>> external activity beyond c.o.l.advocacy are not "discussion of the
>>> benefits of Linux compared to other operating operating systems", does not
>>> interest the Linux advocates and is best left for other forums.
>>
>> Is it all right for Linux advocates to lie? I don't think so. And if it's
>> done it COLA, it is most definitely relevant.
>
> See my reply (posted earlier). As I said once before (an elaborate post), I
> don't lie. If incorrect information is posted it's either because the source
I'd very much like to believe you don't lie. Maybe you don't. But some of
the stuff you post isn't true. It's easy to get carried away by
enthusiasm. But what you post here may well remain available for years to
come, in some archive. You're still very young. Better that you make
certain what you're remembered for is your honest advocacy, not some
foolishness.
> was unreliable (I try to grab stories from the grapevine, before they hit
> the news) or because I misunderstood something, in which case the mistake is
Yours. You are responsible for what you post. It's much better to check
everything, and be sure of it, than just shove it onto the group in the
hope that it's okay.
> accidental. When an army of shills and a hudred nyms repeats the word "liar"
> it forms The Big Lie, which yes... it is a lie in its own right. Let them
> get to you and sooner or later you'll lose respect for honest folks, just as
> you lost your trust in Rex (yes, I do respect him).
Look again. All *I* respect about Rex is his honest representation of his
sexual history. But as far as Linux goes, he's out to lunch. And there
aren't really all that many nyms and shills in COLA.
--
Kier
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:16:24 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> __/ [ Kier ] on Saturday 27 January 2007 23:22 \__
>>
>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:11:24 +0900, High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Recommend posting according to the charter. Concerns of a poster's
>>>> external activity beyond c.o.l.advocacy are not "discussion of the
>>>> benefits of Linux compared to other operating operating systems", does
>>>> not interest the Linux advocates and is best left for other forums.
>>>
>>> Is it all right for Linux advocates to lie? I don't think so. And if it's
>>> done it COLA, it is most definitely relevant.
>>
>> See my reply (posted earlier). As I said once before (an elaborate post),
>> I don't lie. If incorrect information is posted it's either because the
>> source
>
> I'd very much like to believe you don't lie. Maybe you don't. But some of
> the stuff you post isn't true. It's easy to get carried away by
> enthusiasm. But what you post here may well remain available for years to
> come, in some archive. You're still very young. Better that you make
> certain what you're remembered for is your honest advocacy, not some
> foolishness.
Lying is for people without morals. Rest assured that I only post what I
believe to be true at the time of reading. I go through many hundreds of
posts/articles a day and I do try to get details about the site/author in
order to gain trust. PJ does this as well because people constantly try to
question her credibility. It's only natural for trolls to nitpick, looking
at dozens of posts and spot inaccuracies (which are often not mine, they are
embedded in somebody else's brand-new post).
>> was unreliable (I try to grab stories from the grapevine, before they hit
>> the news) or because I misunderstood something, in which case the mistake
>> is
>
> Yours. You are responsible for what you post. It's much better to check
> everything, and be sure of it, than just shove it onto the group in the
> hope that it's okay.
I wrote the last paragraph before I even read this followup of yours. So yes,
I do check things carefully. Sometimes, however, I'm in a hurry, so my
checks are shallower. I still have other things to do at the Division, at my
job, the gym, etc. so sometimes I just want to get past the feeds and do so
in a hurry. It's either sloppy/fast reporting (as a risk to be taken), or
nothing at all.
>> accidental. When an army of shills and a hudred nyms repeats the word
>> "liar" it forms The Big Lie, which yes... it is a lie in its own right.
>> Let them get to you and sooner or later you'll lose respect for honest
>> folks, just as you lost your trust in Rex (yes, I do respect him).
>
> Look again. All *I* respect about Rex is his honest representation of his
> sexual history. But as far as Linux goes, he's out to lunch. And there
> aren't really all that many nyms and shills in COLA.
Yes, call it figure of speech. :-)
Some nyms have 'retired' because Gary could no longer find the sticky which
holds the username/password for {yet another}^tm Web account.
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> Question for you Einstein... what part of 'This is a
> UNMODERATED newsgroup' is too difficult for you to
> understand?
You.
--
HPT
Maybe you should just cut down on your volume of posting, then. Leave out
the MS stuff and you'll save yourself a lot of work. Concentrate on the
important Linux matters. There's plenty to talk about in the Linux world,
without dragging MS into it at every opportunity.
This meant as friendly advice, not an attack. Your heart's in the right
place, you just need to work on your methods. The more descriminate and
accurate you are in your posts, the less ammunition people willing to
attack you will have.
>
>
>>> was unreliable (I try to grab stories from the grapevine, before they hit
>>> the news) or because I misunderstood something, in which case the mistake
>>> is
>>
>> Yours. You are responsible for what you post. It's much better to check
>> everything, and be sure of it, than just shove it onto the group in the
>> hope that it's okay.
>
>
> I wrote the last paragraph before I even read this followup of yours. So yes,
> I do check things carefully. Sometimes, however, I'm in a hurry, so my
> checks are shallower. I still have other things to do at the Division, at my
> job, the gym, etc. so sometimes I just want to get past the feeds and do so
> in a hurry. It's either sloppy/fast reporting (as a risk to be taken), or
> nothing at all.
Sometimes, then, it should be nothing at all. Quality is definitely
preferable to quantity, IMO. It will also be much more effective.
Otherwise, you're just leaving yourself wide open to criticism.
>
>
>>> accidental. When an army of shills and a hudred nyms repeats the word
>>> "liar" it forms The Big Lie, which yes... it is a lie in its own right.
>>> Let them get to you and sooner or later you'll lose respect for honest
>>> folks, just as you lost your trust in Rex (yes, I do respect him).
>>
>> Look again. All *I* respect about Rex is his honest representation of his
>> sexual history. But as far as Linux goes, he's out to lunch. And there
>> aren't really all that many nyms and shills in COLA.
>
> Yes, call it figure of speech. :-)
>
> Some nyms have 'retired' because Gary could no longer find the sticky which
> holds the username/password for {yet another}^tm Web account.
Maybe. But not all of them are or were the flat one.
--
Kier
How pathetic. This coming from Msg-ID Larry, who tries to net-nanny the
posts of Roy and even spews his hatred about those in his sig
> Question for you Einstein... what part of 'This is a UNMODERATED
> newsgroup' is too difficult for you to understand?
>
You can spell "hypocryte", can you, Larry?
You are doing fine, Larry. To your left is "linux-sux", to your right
is "OK". You are now officially one of the dumbest posters ever
--
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was sticking up your ass." - John Novak, rasfwrj
> Leave out the MS stuff and you'll save yourself a lot of
> work. Concentrate on the important Linux matters ..
Are you having a laugh. You call what goes on here important. When was
it the last time you advised Fuddie and Co on their content.
> Sometimes, then, it should be nothing at all ..
Keep posting, Roy. Under no circumstances do you have to justify your
posts here or to *anyone*. That Digg forger is just another example of
the scum you are dealing with. Don't engage with them ever. It's that
simple.
--
"Fuck that! I'm not spraying some gash hound's nut-juice on me!,
(Chupa, Blade 11, 2002)
What's even more pathetic are the words of the anti-aliased screen shot
retard himself, Peter Trollman.
>> Question for you Einstein... what part of 'This is a UNMODERATED
>> newsgroup' is too difficult for you to understand?
>>
>>
> You can spell "hypocryte", can you, Larry?
I am able to spell hypocrite just fine. Why is it that you are too stupid
to spell it correctly? (Hint for you - it's not hypocryte) I see that you
are too stupid to even use the spell checker in your newsreader. Not
surprising as you are very dumb.
> You are doing fine, Larry. To your left is "linux-sux", to your right is
> "OK". You are now officially one of the dumbest posters ever
I am doing just fine Peter. What's your problem?
> Jan 28 2007 14:12:53 +0000 Kier wrote:
>
>> Leave out the MS stuff and you'll save yourself a lot of
>> work. Concentrate on the important Linux matters ..
>
> Are you having a laugh. You call what goes on here important. When was
> it the last time you advised Fuddie and Co on their content.
When was the last time you posted any Linux advocacy? I can't seem to
remember.
--
Kier
Indeed, that's the lesson of the votes on his Digg comments. If you
check them, you'll find that when Roy posts a comment that is actually
in response to the topic, and says something original, he gets voted up.
When he just cuts and pastes in one of his long collections of quotes
and links, that is at best tangentially related to the topic, he gets
voted down. (And he does this a lot...I've seen him post the same
identical long comment in half a dozen Digg threads).
Sites like Digg, and to a lesser extent Slashdot, where people can rate
your contribution WITHOUT having to post a message themselves, are very
useful to gauge how well you are doing as an effective advocate for
whatever position you are taking.
--
--Tim Smith
Just posted two items:
1. Microsoft (or Ballmer's) struggle with the changing tide, which includes
GNU/Linux (either directly, or in circumstances where it's being used by
Microsoft's software/services rivals, even Oracle).
2. Microsoft's anti-Linux strategy is confirmed to be true. Microsoft decided
to 'extend' stuff and hide APIs in order to force people to 'comply' and use
Microsoft S/W. Conviction for monopoly abuse. Yet again.
2 out of 2. That's 100% relevance.
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> Jan 28 2007 14:12:53 +0000 Kier wrote:
>
>> Leave out the MS stuff and you'll save yourself a lot of
>> work. Concentrate on the important Linux matters ..
>
> Are you having a laugh. You call what goes on here important. When was
> it the last time you advised Fuddie and Co on their content.
>
>> Sometimes, then, it should be nothing at all ..
>
> Keep posting, Roy. Under no circumstances do you have to justify your
> posts here or to *anyone*. That Digg forger is just another example of
> the scum you are dealing with. Don't engage with them ever. It's that
> simple.
Been reported for abuse. PJ gets slightly involved as well. She has similar
issues in the past (I think that O'Gara's s**te remains only in /.).
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> __/ [ Kier ] on Sunday 28 January 2007 18:48 \__
>
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:31:53 -0800, Doug Mentohl wrote:
>>
>>> Jan 28 2007 14:12:53 +0000 Kier wrote:
>>>
>>>> Leave out the MS stuff and you'll save yourself a lot of
>>>> work. Concentrate on the important Linux matters ..
>>>
>>> Are you having a laugh. You call what goes on here important. When was
>>> it the last time you advised Fuddie and Co on their content.
>>
>> When was the last time you posted any Linux advocacy? I can't seem to
>> remember.
>
> Just posted two items:
>
> 1. Microsoft (or Ballmer's) struggle with the changing tide, which includes
> GNU/Linux (either directly, or in circumstances where it's being used by
> Microsoft's software/services rivals, even Oracle).
>
> 2. Microsoft's anti-Linux strategy is confirmed to be true. Microsoft decided
> to 'extend' stuff and hide APIs in order to force people to 'comply' and use
> Microsoft S/W. Conviction for monopoly abuse. Yet again.
>
> 2 out of 2. That's 100% relevance.
In my book, neither of those things is really *Linux* advocacy - it's
anti-MS, only slightly related to Linux. Usually he just posts patent
stuff, which isn't anything to do with Linux.
--
Kier
Why worry about Microsoft's problems? Does your dad work there? Explain
how you discussed the benefits of Linux compared to other OS through
this post?
>
> 2. Microsoft's anti-Linux strategy is confirmed to be true. Microsoft decided
> to 'extend' stuff and hide APIs in order to force people to 'comply' and use
> Microsoft S/W. Conviction for monopoly abuse. Yet again.
Why do you care?
>
> 2 out of 2. That's 100% relevance.
>
0 out of 2. That's 0% relevance.
> Why worry about Microsoft's problems? Does your dad work there? Explain
> how you discussed the benefits of Linux compared to other OS through
> this post?
Benefits of Linux include the completely decentralized management style that
enables us to create world quality software without recourse to a
centralized command and control structure. To that end, elucidating the
management failings of Windows is a part of the benefit comparison process
of Linux.
To Microsoft, promoting Windows often equals Linux bashing. Call it tit for
tat. Microsoft could play nice, but they choose to do what they do best --
unethical behaviour, deceit, crime, and media acquisition. SCO funding, Get
the Facts, Halloween memos... have you read these at all? Have you been
reading Groklaw or following the pertinent details in the allegations, such
as the impact of APIs and OOXML, both of which are "monopoly enablers"?
They say you can live in peace and worry not about your rival (or
neighbouring country). One day you get locked out (or one day you get the
nuke).
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