ECOPC - Low Power Silent Fanless Mini Linux PC & Server

[Gordon]

Seen on Facebook!

https://www.facebook.com/ecopc


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Say No to OOXML http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8
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[Ian Hilliard]

On 14/05/12 17:59, Gordon wrote:
> Seen on Facebook!
>
> https://www.facebook.com/ecopc
>
>

I quite like the units from mini-box.com. They are nice and small enough
to hang on the back of the computer monitor. They make an excellent
all-in-one computer running Linux.

http://www.mini-box.com/KIT-M350-INTEL-DH61AG-19V-160W

Ian

[Snit]

On 5/14/12 11:22 AM, in article 4FB14D58.1070108@nowhere, "Ian Hilliard"

The boogieman does not allow these to exist. Ask Homer: there is no choice
but to get Windows with a PC (even though mine did not come with it... but
Homer is just an ignorant fool).


--
🙈🙉🙊

[DFS]

"hanging on the back" - with tape and bubble gum?

Why don't you buy a real all-in-one computer, like an iMac, HP
TouchSmart or ASUS:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/168576/allinone_pcs_with_a_touch_of_style.html


You have a Windows job, so you can afford it...

[Ian Hilliard]

On 15/05/12 02:12, DFS wrote:
> On 5/14/2012 2:22 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>> On 14/05/12 17:59, Gordon wrote:
>>> Seen on Facebook!
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/ecopc
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I quite like the units from mini-box.com. They are nice and small enough
>> to hang on the back of the computer monitor. They make an excellent
>> all-in-one computer running Linux.
>>
>> http://www.mini-box.com/KIT-M350-INTEL-DH61AG-19V-160W
>>
>> Ian
>
>
> "hanging on the back" - with tape and bubble gum?

My first thought was; "Please engage the brain, before putting fingers
into gear." Then it occurred to me that the Cult-Masters of the
Microsoft ensure that you remain ignorant. You are to be excused, you
are living in the Digital Dark Ages.

There is however a standard way of hanging a computer on the back of a
monitor.

http://www.mini-box.com/Vesa-Mounting-System

The four little screws screw into the back of the monitor and the
computer hangs on the Vesa Screws.

>
> Why don't you buy a real all-in-one computer, like an iMac, HP
> TouchSmart or ASUS:
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/168576/allinone_pcs_with_a_touch_of_style.html
>
>

I have an all-in-one system that is built to my own specifications, so
it works as I require.

>
> You have a Windows job, so you can afford it...
>

I don't have a Windows job, that is probably why it pays so much better.
We use Linux to ensure performance and reliability.

Ian

[DFS]

On 5/15/2012 11:45 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
> On 15/05/12 02:12, DFS wrote:
>> On 5/14/2012 2:22 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>>> On 14/05/12 17:59, Gordon wrote:
>>>> Seen on Facebook!
>>>>
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ecopc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I quite like the units from mini-box.com. They are nice and small enough
>>> to hang on the back of the computer monitor. They make an excellent
>>> all-in-one computer running Linux.
>>>
>>> http://www.mini-box.com/KIT-M350-INTEL-DH61AG-19V-160W
>>>
>>> Ian
>>
>>
>> "hanging on the back" - with tape and bubble gum?
>
> My first thought was; "Please engage the brain, before putting fingers
> into gear." Then it occurred to me that the Cult-Masters of the
> Microsoft ensure that you remain ignorant. You are to be excused, you
> are living in the Digital Dark Ages.
>
> There is however a standard way of hanging a computer on the back of a
> monitor.
>
> http://www.mini-box.com/Vesa-Mounting-System
>
> The four little screws screw into the back of the monitor and the
> computer hangs on the Vesa Screws.

Down here in the South USA we used to call that "nigger-rigged" or
"Afro-engineered".

>> Why don't you buy a real all-in-one computer, like an iMac, HP
>> TouchSmart or ASUS:
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/168576/allinone_pcs_with_a_touch_of_style.html
>>
>>
>>
>
> I have an all-in-one system that is built to my own specifications, so
> it works as I require.

But it's not an all-in-one system, at all.

http://resources.mini-box.com/online/ACC-VESA-SCREWS/moreimages/image2.jpg

It's a "Linux monkey on my back" hackjob with cables running everywhere
(they show it without cables to make you think it's a sleek solution).

>> You have a Windows job, so you can afford it...
>>
>
> I don't have a Windows job, that is probably why it pays so much better.

Liar.

> We use Linux to ensure performance and reliability.

No, you don't.

[Ian Hilliard]

Not only are you an idiot, you are also a racist pig.

>
>
>>> Why don't you buy a real all-in-one computer, like an iMac, HP
>>> TouchSmart or ASUS:
>>>
>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/168576/allinone_pcs_with_a_touch_of_style.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I have an all-in-one system that is built to my own specifications, so
>> it works as I require.
>
> But it's not an all-in-one system, at all.
>
> http://resources.mini-box.com/online/ACC-VESA-SCREWS/moreimages/image2.jpg
>
> It's a "Linux monkey on my back" hackjob with cables running everywhere
> (they show it without cables to make you think it's a sleek solution).
>

Maybe, if you ask nicely, the cult masters might let you know about such
new fangled technologies such as wireless.

>
>
>>> You have a Windows job, so you can afford it...
>>>
>>
>> I don't have a Windows job, that is probably why it pays so much better.
>
> Liar.
>

Great response! You really are a clueless git.

>
>
>> We use Linux to ensure performance and reliability.
>
> No, you don't.
>

You have no idea where I work. But I can tell you that the company tried
to use Windows, but it was completely unreliable, so we moved to Linux.

[DFS]

www.google.com/search?q=nigger-rigged

www.google.com/search?q=afro-engineered

ha!

>>>> Why don't you buy a real all-in-one computer, like an iMac, HP
>>>> TouchSmart or ASUS:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/168576/allinone_pcs_with_a_touch_of_style.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have an all-in-one system that is built to my own specifications, so
>>> it works as I require.
>>
>> But it's not an all-in-one system, at all.
>>
>> http://resources.mini-box.com/online/ACC-VESA-SCREWS/moreimages/image2.jpg
>>
>>
>> It's a "Linux monkey on my back" hackjob with cables running everywhere
>> (they show it without cables to make you think it's a sleek solution).
>>
>
> Maybe, if you ask nicely, the cult masters might let you know about such
> new fangled technologies such as wireless.

Great! So show us a video of you using this new-fangled wireless
technology with your "Linux monkey on the back of monitor".

Or slink away like all liars do when asked for proof of their stupid claims.

Here's what you have:
Cable 1: system to monitor
Cable 2: system to keyboard
Cable 3: system to optical drive
Cable 4: system to speakers
Cable 5: external power supply to system

What a mess. A real all-in-one system generally has only 1 cable:
system to keyboard.

>>>> You have a Windows job, so you can afford it...
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't have a Windows job, that is probably why it pays so much better.
>>
>> Liar.
>>
>
> Great response! You really are a clueless git.

It was a great response: short and true.

>>> We use Linux to ensure performance and reliability.
>>
>> No, you don't.
>>
>
> You have no idea where I work. But I can tell you that the company tried
> to use Windows, but it was completely unreliable, so we moved to Linux.

Again: no, you don't.

[Foster]

Sounds like a clusterfuck.

[-hh]

> >>>>http://www.pcworld.com/article/168576/allinone_pcs_with_a_touch_of_st...

>
> >>> I have an all-in-one system that is built to my own specifications, so
> >>> it works as I require.
>
> >> But it's not an all-in-one system, at all.
>

> >>http://resources.mini-box.com/online/ACC-VESA-SCREWS/moreimages/image...

>
> >> It's a "Linux monkey on my back" hackjob with cables running everywhere
> >> (they show it without cables to make you think it's a sleek solution).
>
> > Maybe, if you ask nicely, the cult masters might let you know about such
> > new fangled technologies such as wireless.
>
> Great!  So show us a video of you using this new-fangled wireless
> technology with your "Linux monkey on the back of monitor".
>
> Or slink away like all liars do when asked for proof of their stupid claims.
>
> Here's what you have:
> Cable 1: system to monitor
> Cable 2: system to keyboard
> Cable 3: system to optical drive
> Cable 4: system to speakers
> Cable 5: external power supply to system
>
> What a mess.  A real all-in-one system generally has only 1 cable:
> system to keyboard.

More likely two: an AIO needs power too.

Nevertheless, I'd be more interested to hear about Ian's supposed
wireless system...particularly how the display is receiving a wireless
signal. I wouldn't mind considering that as a solution for one of my
systems.

> >>>> You have a Windows job, so you can afford it...
>
> >>> I don't have a Windows job, that is probably why it pays so much better.

> [...]

Truth or not, there's no substantiation forthcoming, so the claim(s)
aren't really worth paying much attention to.



-hh

[DFS]

On 5/15/2012 7:55 PM, -hh wrote:


> More likely two: an AIO needs power too.

A power cable is assumed.

> Truth or not, there's no substantiation forthcoming, so the claim(s)
> aren't really worth paying much attention to.

Welcome to cesspool.of.lying.advocates!

[Snit]

On 5/15/12 8:16 PM, in article jov661$uh0$2...@dont-email.me, "DFS"

<nos...@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 5/15/2012 7:55 PM, -hh wrote:
>
>
>> More likely two: an AIO needs power too.
>
> A power cable is assumed.

With iMacs, that is all that is needed. Wireless Internet and input devices
are included. While it is suggested and common to have external drives and
other stuff, often people have a power cable and *nothing* else connected to
their iMac.

I am not one of those people. :) I have a wired keyboard (with an attached
wired mouse), two external drives, an external monitor, a fax modem
(non-Apple... they no longer support theirs... stupid), a USB headset,
speakers, an "internal" driver reader (plug and play device to read "naked"
drives), a wired network connection... hmm.... I think that pretty much
covers it. :)


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[Hadron]

Aha, Ian "Legend in his own lunchtime" is back. Tell us again Ian how
you choose the target OS *after* designing, implementing and testing
your totally cross platform products. LOL, you're a big head and a half.

[Ian Hilliard]

We ship under Linux, RTLinux, VxWorks and test under x86 Linux and
Windows. We support both big-endian and little-endian processors. We
cannot afford to be lazy like most Windows programmers.

I see however that you are still trying for the position of Village
Idiot. I would give up, if I were you. DFS has a firm grip on that job.

Ian

[Ian Hilliard]

You really should get out of the computer dark ages.

There is a power cable to the monitor.
A low voltage cable to the PC.
A short HDMI cable for audio and video between the PC and the monitor.
This is not even noticeable.
Wireless Keyboard
Wireless Mouse

With this configuration, I can turn off the monitor, while the computer
is doing some heavy processing over night.

We do a lot of travelling and take our video camera everywhere with us.
Linux has some brilliant tools for video processing and the creation of
video files, which we can then send to our friends.

>
> What a mess. A real all-in-one system generally has only 1 cable: system
> to keyboard.
>
>
>
>>>>> You have a Windows job, so you can afford it...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a Windows job, that is probably why it pays so much
>>>> better.
>>>
>>> Liar.
>>>
>>
>> Great response! You really are a clueless git.
>
> It was a great response: short and true.
>
>
>
>>>> We use Linux to ensure performance and reliability.
>>>
>>> No, you don't.
>>>
>>
>> You have no idea where I work. But I can tell you that the company tried
>> to use Windows, but it was completely unreliable, so we moved to Linux.
>
> Again: no, you don't.
>
>

Again, you don't have an F***ing clue. You are so blinded by your cult
masters, that you don't see what is happening in the world. Just be
thankful that we take our work seriously, so that the systems on which
you really rely work reliably.

Hint: PC applications to not keep the traffic running, control the
traffic lights, keep your bus on time, keep your trains running, provide
the control for nuclear reactors, provide safety relevant systems for
factories or detect if you are sick.

Ian

[chrisv]

Ian Hilliard wrote:

>>>>> We use Linux to ensure performance and reliability.
>>>>
>>>> No, you don't.
>>>
>>> You have no idea where I work. But I can tell you that the company tried
>>> to use Windows, but it was completely unreliable, so we moved to Linux.
>>
>> Again: no, you don't.
>
>Again, you don't have an F***ing clue.

Someone who will call you a "liar" to your face, with *zero* evidence,
really should not be rewarded with responses.

--
"(DFS) burns you bozos with facts each every time you start your COLA
dance." - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Ian Hilliard belched this bit o' wisdom:

They're tag-team village idiots.

--
I do not apologize to lying cowards who steal the work of others and
try to pass it off as their own.
-- Larry "message ID" Qualig (AKA Hadron Quark) attacking legitimate use of
GPL'ed software as "stealing".

[Chris Ahlstrom]

After swilling some grog, Ian Hilliard belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 15/05/12 23:18, DFS wrote:
>
>> Great! So show us a video of you using this new-fangled wireless
>> technology with your "Linux monkey on the back of monitor".
>>
>> Or slink away like all liars do when asked for proof of their stupid
>> claims.
>>
>> Here's what you have:
>> Cable 1: system to monitor
>> Cable 2: system to keyboard
>> Cable 3: system to optical drive
>> Cable 4: system to speakers
>> Cable 5: external power supply to system
>
> You really should get out of the computer dark ages.
>
> There is a power cable to the monitor.
> A low voltage cable to the PC.
> A short HDMI cable for audio and video between the PC and the monitor.
> This is not even noticeable.
> Wireless Keyboard
> Wireless Mouse

<chuckle>

DFS, there's a village in the remote wilds of Georgia, where people go
canoeing, that's calling for you.

--
Some contractor for MS stole a competitors code. The competitor found
out. MS has obviously suspended the code thief and have assumed all
responsibility : which as his employers they must do.
-- "Hadron" <hgaust$itq$1...@hadron.eternal-september.org>

[chrisv]

Ian Hilliard wrote:

> Hadron quaked:

>>
>> Aha, Ian "Legend in his own lunchtime" is back. Tell us again Ian how
>> you choose the target OS *after* designing, implementing and testing
>> your totally cross platform products. LOL, you're a big head and a half.
>
>We ship under Linux, RTLinux, VxWorks and test under x86 Linux and
>Windows. We support both big-endian and little-endian processors. We
>cannot afford to be lazy like most Windows programmers.
>
>I see however that you are still trying for the position of Village
>Idiot. I would give up, if I were you. DFS has a firm grip on that job.

"Intelligent, knowledgable, reasonable man, attacked by stupid, lying,
ignorant asshole. News at 11:00."

At least the filthy Quack asshole didn't again call you a "liar" on
this issue, like he did before.

"Ezekiel" likes him, though.

--
"I call someone a liar when they are obviously telling lies. Not
unless.", Hadron Quark, lying shamelessly

[Foster]

On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:57:48 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:


> They're tag-team village idiots.

Sounds like Shitzferwitz and Sloblin.

[Foster]

On Wed, 16 May 2012 13:01:33 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:


> <chuckle>
>
> DFS, there's a village in the remote wilds of Georgia, where people go
> canoeing, that's calling for you.

Ned is that you?

[Foster]

On Wed, 16 May 2012 12:10:06 -0500, chrisv wrote:


> "Intelligent, knowledgable, reasonable man, attacked by stupid, lying,
> ignorant asshole. News at 11:00."
>
> At least the filthy Quack asshole didn't again call you a "liar" on
> this issue, like he did before.
>
> "Ezekiel" likes him, though.

Do you ever post anything of value turd?

[DFS]

On 5/16/2012 10:14 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote:

> On 15/05/12 23:18, DFS wrote:


> Again, you don't have an F***ing clue. You are so blinded by your cult
> masters, that you don't see what is happening in the world. Just be
> thankful that we take our work seriously, so that the systems on which
> you really rely work reliably.

Spare me your bullshit. I don't use anything you work on, and if I knew
you had worked on it I would avoid it.

> Hint: PC applications to not keep the traffic running, control the
> traffic lights, keep your bus on time, keep your trains running, provide
> the control for nuclear reactors, provide safety relevant systems for
> factories or detect if you are sick.

Windows PCs and/or Windows apps do ALL those things, and much much more.

1) traffic control:
Sydney Coordinated Adaptive Traffic System
http://www.scats.com.au/product_family_options.html

traffic mapping and routing - Windows only
http://www.ptvag.com/fileadmin/files_ptvag.com/download/logistics/info/Developer/Factsheet_PTV-MapServer_mapping_routing_desktop_en_2011.pdf


2) bus scheduling:
http://www.trapezegroup.com/novus-flex

3) train scheduling:
http://www.giro.ca/en/products/hastus/rail-scheduling.htm

(note: are you really so ignorant as to think scheduling algorithms
can't be encapsulated in VB (let alone C\C++\C#\Java\python etc) and run
on a low-powered Windows PC to keep track of many thousands of vehicles?)


4) nuclear reactor and industrial control software:

* whatever Windows apps they were using in the Iranian nuclear
facilities that were hit by the Stuxnet virus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet#Natanz_nuclear_facilities

* Bushehr nuclear power plant in Iran:
http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/Features/The-Nuclear-Issue-in-Iran/1581/2/



5) factory and building safety systems:
https://buildingsolutions.honeywell.com/Cultures/en-US/ServicesSolutions/FireLifeSafetySolutions/HoneywellLifeSafetyManager/



6) who knows what a clown like you means when you say 'detect if you are
sick', but there are a shitload of medical and dental apps for Windows,
plus there are healthcare devices and monitoring systems running Windows
and Windows Embedded.

http://www.bostonatlantic.net/services-software-engineering.htm

http://www.zoemedical.com/MPC%20Screen%20Shots.htm




I took these pics a couple nights ago off my TV. They're from a Siemens
ad that shows them bringing some kind of new industrial plant online.
The ad mentioned 'gas turbine' near the end. They showed only 2 pics of
computer screens:

1) a Windows app: http://bayimg.com/pAOekaADL

2) the left 4 screens in this shot are a Windows XP app, which probably
means all 6 are: http://bayimg.com/aAoFaAadl

While I was looking at the Siemens site, I looked at the conveyor and
material handling systems.

http://www.automation.siemens.com/mcms/topics/en/conveyor-technology/Documents/conveyor_brochure.pdf

Virtually every bit of software I could find related to these systems
was for Windows.

Page 13: Controls, I/O, Software

PLC programming software for the entire SIMATIC controller range
www.siemens.com/simatic-software

PC-based automation, including embedded controllers and PCs: all Windows
and Windows Embedded
https://eb.automation.siemens.com/goos/catalog/Pages/ProductData.aspx?catalogRegion=WW&language=en&nodeid=10001340&tree=CatalogTree&regionUrl=/#activetab=product&


Page 14: Industrial PCs

http://www.automation.siemens.com/mcms/pc-based-automation/en/industrial-pc/Pages/Default.aspx

Rack PCs: 64-bit Win 7 and/or Win Server 2008 R2
Box PCs: XP, Win7, or Win Embedded
Panel PCs: XP and Win Embedded
RTOS - RMOS3: GNU tools, hosted on Windows only


Also:
Engineering SW:
http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/tia-portal/hmi-sw-tia-portal/wincc-tia-portal-es/system-requirements/Pages/Default.aspx

Runtime SW:
http://www.industry.siemens.com/topics/global/en/tia-portal/hmi-sw-tia-portal/wincc-tia-portal-rt/system-requirements/Pages/Default.aspx

And so on and so on.


You're a fucking idiot to ignore 20 years of worldwide development of
tens of thousands of Windows apps, across every country and industry and
company in the developed world. In other words, you're a Linux
"advocate" - the most contemptible, deluded assholes in all of IT.




(note: the above is what's known as a beatdown)




> Ian

[Hadron]

DFS <nos...@dfs.com> writes:

> On 5/16/2012 10:14 AM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>> On 15/05/12 23:18, DFS wrote:
>
>> Again, you don't have an F***ing clue. You are so blinded by your cult
>> masters, that you don't see what is happening in the world. Just be
>> thankful that we take our work seriously, so that the systems on which
>> you really rely work reliably.
>
> Spare me your bullshit. I don't use anything you work on, and if I knew you had
> worked on it I would avoid it.
>

> You're a fucking idiot to ignore 20 years of worldwide development of tens of
> thousands of Windows apps, across every country and industry and company in the
> developed world. In other words, you're a Linux "advocate" - the most
> contemptible, deluded assholes in all of IT.

He is isn't he?

A legend in his own lunchtime. I still snigger when I think of him
getting all excited thinking we believe he develops ALL his apps "cross
platform" and THEN decides on the target platform : what a complete and
utter fucking idiot.

>
> (note: the above is what's known as a beatdown)

And what a beat down.

Why is it not enough for these idiots to advocate Linux for its
strangths without feeling the need to tell lies and denigrate Windows. I
do. And yet turd takes this as "shilling Windows" all the while HE posts
from a Windows machine.

>
>> Ian

[DFS]

And I appreciate your willingness to take undeserved heat from these
idiots and stand by your position: previous Windows developer who now
uses only Linux but recognizes the reality that Windows works very well
for most users and developers.

> And yet turd takes this as "shilling Windows" all the while HE posts
> from a Windows machine.

Our little chrisv is special, isn't he?

X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)

"I buy a lot of Windows PC's to use as test stations, and I've been
buying refurbished XP machines and have no plans to change."

"Win7 Home Premium OEM is available for $100 online... My daughter runs it"

"Windows is the right choice for my daughter"



>>> Ian

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2012-05-15, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 5/14/2012 2:22 PM, Ian Hilliard wrote:
>> On 14/05/12 17:59, Gordon wrote:
>>> Seen on Facebook!
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/ecopc
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I quite like the units from mini-box.com. They are nice and small enough
>> to hang on the back of the computer monitor. They make an excellent
>> all-in-one computer running Linux.
>>
>> http://www.mini-box.com/KIT-M350-INTEL-DH61AG-19V-160W
>>
>> Ian
>
>
> "hanging on the back" - with tape and bubble gum?

No. Using an industry standard VESA mounting bracket.

Zotac machines include such bracket.

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