COLA Stats: Saturday the 22nd of September, 2007.
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[H]omer
Written by Roy Culley.
Contributions from Mark Kent.
Modifications by [H]omer, 2007.
This report covers 1466 articles received by this system to
newsgroup comp.os.linux.advocacy [1]
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Toplist of Posters
Pos Poster Msgs Bytes Quoted
1. Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> 377 896717 11%
2. [H]omer <sp...@uce.gov> 81 76185 24%
3. Hardon Quirk - Imbecile 79 70957 68%
4. The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus 78 221813 48%
5. Linonut <lin...@be11south.net> 71 66257 57%
6. Mark Kent <mark...@demon.co.uk> 52 950016 5%
7. William Poaster <w...@kubuntu704-1.eu> 42 55063 69%
Timmy 'Funkenbusch Wannabee' Smith 42 46361 34%
9. Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> 40 86793 73%
10. Peter Köhlmann <Peter.K...@t-online.de> 38 47874 71%
11. DooFy - Money-Obsessed Goon 34 66544 58%
12. chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> 33 13526 59%
13. High Plains Thumper <highplainsthumper@invalid. 32 93735 47%
14. Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> 27 5778 62%
dapunka <dap...@googlemail.com> 27 37692 60%
16. Ewik FUDenbusch 24 31772 60%
17. snit - Ridiculous MAC Troll 22 84503 70%
18. Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> 21 24577 37%
19. nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu <nes...@wigner.ber 20 34217 46%
amicus_curious - Troll 20 25155 56%
21. Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> 19 14366 73%
22. 7 <website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> 17 19131 70%
ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> 17 19311 61%
24. Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> 15 17254 60%
25. Bailo 14 8823 23%
26. Rex Ballard <rex.b...@gmail.com> 12 66370 20%
Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com> 12 11426 70%
Doug Mentohl <doug_m...@linuxmail.org> 12 10318 11%
29. Rick <no...@nomail.com> 11 26574 84%
30. cc - Shifty MS Apologist 10 12747 75%
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Toplist of Subjects
Pos Subject Msgs Bytes
1. 7 Reasons Why Linux Won't Succeed On The Desktop 66 93477
2. Reasons to "play" with Linux 61 166401
3. Ubuntu Autopreviewing .MP3's 60 129926
4. Windows is Easier 57 95663
5. Linux Advocacy is completely Dead...... 43 117817
6. I.B.M. to Offer Office Software Free in Challenge 32 28409
[SOT] Meet my new dekstop 32 31251
PCLinuxOS, Linux Mint, FreeSpire or MEPIS? 32 20005
9. OT: I want a decent C tutorial site 31 40287
10. [News] Linux Beats Vista "Ultimate" Edition to It 27 68023
11. A question for John Bailo or any other COLA Republ 26 57013
12. Vive L'Europe!! 25 21051
13. Meet my new dekstop 20 33103
14. Open Source Driver for ATI Radeon R5xx/R6xx 18 36187
15. Torvalds minions and the Linux fanatic .. 16 15556
16. [OT] Latest Hackwerk Poster released 15 20078
hasta la Vista, Microsoft! .. 15 6021
18. Ever really read a EULA? 14 10488
19. P4 HT distro recommendations 12 9632
COLA Stats: Saturday the 15th of September, 2007. 12 30118
[News] [Rival] Microsoft's Appeal Goes Kaput in Eu 12 14841
[News] [Rival] Employees Outraged After Office 200 12 15127
New Chapter for SCO 12 5731
Linux is still too rough around the edges says jou 12 31121
[News] AMD Completely Changed the Market in Favour 12 19376
26. EU antitrust power in balance on Microsoft decisio 11 23911
[News] Reasons to Use Mozilla Firefox (and How Win 11 23123
[News] Apple's Linux Lock Goes Kaput, New iPods Wi 11 12865
Microsoft updates Windows without users' consent 11 16229
[News] [Rival] Microsoft Ruling on Monday Could Af 11 7415
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Toplist of Most Replied To Posters
Pos Poster Msgs
1. Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> 103
2. [H]omer <sp...@uce.gov> 71
3. Hardon Quirk - Imbecile 61
4. Linonut <lin...@be11south.net> 53
5. The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> 48
6. High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> 38
7. Peter Köhlmann <Peter.K...@t-online.de> 35
8. Mark Kent <mark...@demon.co.uk> 32
9. Timmy 'Funkenbusch Wannabee' Smith 29
10. dapunka <dap...@googlemail.com> 28
11. Ewik FUDenbusch 27
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> 27
13. Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> 23
14. William Poaster <w...@kubuntu704-1.eu> 22
15. Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> 21
16. nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu <nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu> 20
ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> 20
18. DooFy - Money-Obsessed Goon 19
19. Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> 17
20. snit - Ridiculous MAC Troll 16
amicus_curious - Troll 16
22. Doug Mentohl <doug_m...@linuxmail.org> 15
23. chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> 14
24. Handover Phist <ja...@jason.websterscafe.com> 11
25. Krzysztof Lubanski <lu...@nerdshack.com> 10
Rick <no...@nomail.com> 10
Rex Ballard <rex.b...@gmail.com> 10
Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> 10
29. 7 <website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> 7
Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com> 7
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Toplist of Troll Feeders [2]
Pos Poster Msgs %
1. Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> 18 67
2. The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> 16 21
Linonut <lin...@be11south.net> 16 23
4. Peter Köhlmann <Peter.K...@t-online.de> 15 39
5. High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> 13 41
6. dapunka <dap...@googlemail.com> 10 37
Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> 10 25
8. Rick <no...@nomail.com> 9 82
Hardon Quirk - Imbecile 9 11
10. chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> 6 18
Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> 6 29
Doug Mentohl <doug_m...@linuxmail.org> 6 50
13. Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com> 5 42
14. 7 <website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> 4 24
Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> 4 1
Timmy 'Funkenbusch Wannabee' Smith 4 10
Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> 4 21
18. Geico Caveman <spammer...@spam.invalid> 3 75
Rex Ballard <rex.b...@gmail.com> 3 25
20. Krzysztof Lubanski <lu...@nerdshack.com> 2 33
Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> 2 13
Ian Hilliard <nos...@hilliardtech.com> 2 67
snit - Ridiculous MAC Troll 2 9
DooFy - Money-Obsessed Goon 2 6
ray <r...@zianet.com> 2 25
amicus_curious - Troll 2 10
Bob Hauck <postm...@localhost.localdomain> 2 100
ws <see...@pacific.net.sg> 2 67
nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu <nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu> 2 10
Ewik FUDenbusch 2 8
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Toplist of 'Quality' Posters [3]
Pos Poster Index
1. Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> 140
2. Mark Kent <mark...@demon.co.uk> 78
3. [H]omer <sp...@uce.gov> 71
4. Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> 66
5. Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjar...@gmail.com> 65
6. ml2mst <ml2...@gmail.com> 64
7. Handover Phist <ja...@jason.websterscafe.com> 63
8. William Poaster <w...@kubuntu704-1.eu> 62
9. The Ghost In The Machine <ew...@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> 60
Doug Mentohl <doug_m...@linuxmail.org> 60
11. Rex Ballard <rex.b...@gmail.com> 58
nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu <nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu> 58
13. High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> 55
chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> 55
15. Linonut <lin...@be11south.net> 53
16. spi...@freenet.co.uk 50
Jerry McBride <mcbr...@comcast.net> 50
Robin T Cox <nom...@nomail.net> 50
19. dapunka <dap...@googlemail.com> 49
20. 7 <website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> 48
Gregory Shearman <ZekeG...@netscape.net> 48
22. Krzysztof Lubanski <lu...@nerdshack.com> 47
23. Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> 44
24. ray <r...@zianet.com> 38
25. Peter Köhlmann <Peter.K...@t-online.de> 37
Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com> 37
27. Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> 21
28. Rick <no...@nomail.com> 13
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Toplist of X-No-Archive Posters
Pos Poster Msgs
1. m...@privacy.net 1
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Toplist of Newsreaders
Pos Newsreader Msgs
1. KNode 507
2. slrn 250
3. Thunderbird 158
4. Pan 155
5. G2/1.0 129
6. Gnus 79
7. Microsoft Outlook Express 52
8. Forte Agent 30
9. 40tude_Dialog 24
10. Microsoft Windows Mail 23
11. Microsoft-Entourage 22
12. MT-NewsWatcher 19
13. tin 7
14. Mozilla 3
Sylpheed 3
16. MacSOUP 2
17. COLA Stats Engine 1
ProNews/2 1
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[1]: Posts via mail to news gateways are dropped by this server
and hence not included in the stats (currently disabled).
Other attention seeking posters may not appear as well.
[2]: Troll feeder %'age is (troll feeding posts / total posts) * 100
[3]: The poster 'quality' stats is based on:
a) quoting: 100 - %'age quoted
b) cross-posting: 100 - %'age cross-posted
c) number of direct followups posters articles get
d) troll feeding: 100 - 2.0 * %'age troll followups
e) 75 deducted for known trolls
f) for the humour impaired the quotes around 'quality'
are intended to convey they are not to be taken too
seriously :-)
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Mark Kent
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>
> Written by Roy Culley.
> Contributions from Mark Kent.
> Modifications by [H]omer, 2007.
>
> This report covers 1466 articles received by this system to
> newsgroup comp.os.linux.advocacy [1]
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> Toplist of Newsreaders
>
> Pos Newsreader Msgs
> 1. KNode 507
> 2. slrn 250
> 3. Thunderbird 158
> 4. Pan 155
> 5. G2/1.0 129
> 6. Gnus 79
> 7. Microsoft Outlook Express 52
> 8. Forte Agent 30
> 9. 40tude_Dialog 24
> 10. Microsoft Windows Mail 23
> 11. Microsoft-Entourage 22
> 12. MT-NewsWatcher 19
> 13. tin 7
> 14. Mozilla 3
> Sylpheed 3
> 16. MacSOUP 2
> 17. COLA Stats Engine 1
> ProNews/2 1
This is an interesting sign of the times. We have about 1,100 posts
using linux and/or free clients, and a mere 100 or so using proprietary
clients.
How the world has changed!
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| Mark Kent -- mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk |
| Cola faq: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/ |
| Cola trolls: http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ |
| My (new) blog: http://www.thereisnomagic.org |
Roy Schestowitz
From 24/09/2006:
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Toplist of Newsreaders
Pos Newsreader Msgs
1. KNode 857
2. Microsoft Outlook Express 538
3. slrn 528
4. tin 306
5. G2/1.0 217
6. Gnus 205
7. Pan 156
8. Mozilla 111
9. Thunderbird 109
10. Shysterwitch version 0.99.18.41.03.21-a 99
11. Sylpheed 80
12. 40tude_Dialog 77
13. Forte Agent 72
14. Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.5600.16384 32
15. trn 26
16. Xnews 23
17. knews 18
18. MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.1 (Intel Mac OS X) 16
19. Hogwasher/4.2.2 11
20. Halime (Mac OS X 10.4.7 (PPC)) 7
MR/2 Internet Cruiser 7
22. MesNews/1.06.00.00-gb 5
23. MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.2 (Intel Mac OS X) 3
24. MacSOUP 2
YA-NewsWatcher/3.1.8 2
Unison/1.7.5 2
27. Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 1
MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.70.2067 1
Opera Mail/9.01 (Win32) 1
Unison/1.6.2 1
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What a dive OE has taken (along with the shills).
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7
The shills have all been diverted to illegal boot camps for a group hug
and free spliffs after the severe beatings they got from COLA.
I have it on full authority that cowardice will not be tolerated and
they will be sent back in to the ring in
October with fresh material after having taken
a full course of drugs and hallucinatory experiences on which to base
their asstroturfing posts.
Personally I think they should sue Micoshaft Corporation for all their ills.
At least they can retire into comfort for all that money they can
grab off Micoshaft Corporation before the company goes bust.
High Plains Thumper
Newsreader 9/24/06 9/22/07 Change
Microsoft-Entourage 1 22 +2100.0%
slrn 80 250 +212.5%
MT-NewsWatcher (Intel Mac OS X) 19 19 0.0%
MacSOUP 2 2 0.0%
COLA Stats Engine 1 1 0.0%
Pan 156 155 -0.6%
Microsoft Windows Mail 32 23 -28.1%
G2 217 129 -40.6%
KNode 857 507 -40.8%
Thunderbird 306 158 -48.4%
Forte Agent 72 30 -58.3%
Gnus 205 79 -61.5%
40tude_Dialog 77 24 -68.8%
tin 26 7 -73.1%
Microsoft Outlook Express 538 52 -90.3%
Sylpheed 109 3 -97.2%
Mozilla 111 3 -97.3%
ProNews 99 1 -99.0%
Halime (Mac OS X (PPC)) 7 0 -100.0%
Hogwasher 11 0 -100.0%
knews 18 0 -100.0%
MesNews 5 0 -100.0%
MicroPlanet-Gravity 1 0 -100.0%
MR/2 Internet Cruiser 7 0 -100.0%
Opera Mail (Win32) 1 0 -100.0%
Shysterwitch 528 0 -100.0%
trn 1 0 -100.0%
Unison 25 0 -100.0%
Xnews 2 0 -100.0%
YA-NewsWatcher 2 0 -100.0%
TOTAL 3,516 1,465 -58.3%
I see some definite trends here. Microsoft Entourage is
insignificant at 1 to 22. Slrn gain is greatest at 80 to 250 or
213% up. Outlook Express has dropped significantly from 538 to
52, down 90%.
Posting has dropped down overall, nearly 60%. That tells me that
Linux is gaining every day, advocacy is slowly becoming less of a
need. This is going to become a lonely city for the trolls.
--
HPT
cc
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> > ____/ Mark Kent on Saturday 22 September 2007 08:56 : \____
>
Where is this illegal boot camp you speak of? Also, to get the free
spliff do I have to participate in the group hug, or can I go just for
the spliff? Is the group hug just one of those rest each others' arms
on the shoulders for comfort hugs, or is it a hug it out kind of group
hug? Is it only for shills, or can I attend too? So many questions on
a Saturday morning...
Oh, I forgot: Release the source!
Kier
<snip>
> I see some definite trends here. Microsoft Entourage is
> insignificant at 1 to 22. Slrn gain is greatest at 80 to 250 or
> 213% up. Outlook Express has dropped significantly from 538 to
> 52, down 90%.
>
> Posting has dropped down overall, nearly 60%. That tells me that
> Linux is gaining every day, advocacy is slowly becoming less of a
> need. This is going to become a lonely city for the trolls.
A lot of the old advocates have gone as well, though, Roy Culley, Liam
Slider, rapskat, Bo Grimes, Philip Callan, and others, who were active
when I first came to COLA.
--
Kier
High Plains Thumper
> A lot of the old advocates have gone as well, though, Roy
> Culley, Liam Slider, rapskat, Bo Grimes, Philip Callan, and
> others, who were active when I first came to COLA.
Perhaps they were worn thin by the trolls? I remember Roy seemed
burnt out towards the end.
--
HPT
Hadron
He, like you, was caught nym shifting and shilling his own posts. He was
also, a laughing stock for not releasing the source for his skewed
statistics.
--
Nothing cures insomnia like the realization that it's time to get up.
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper writes:
>> Kier wrote:
>>
>>> A lot of the old advocates have gone as well, though, Roy
>>> Culley, Liam Slider, rapskat, Bo Grimes, Philip Callan,
>>> and others, who were active when I first came to COLA.
>>
>> Perhaps they were worn thin by the trolls? I remember Roy
>> seemed burnt out towards the end.
>
> He, like you, was caught nym shifting and shilling his own
> posts. He was also, a laughing stock for not releasing the
> source for his skewed statistics.
Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux advocate",
"kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X
specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "newsreader
magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron Quark, aka Hans
Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
--
HPT
Kier
> High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>
>>> A lot of the old advocates have gone as well, though, Roy
>>> Culley, Liam Slider, rapskat, Bo Grimes, Philip Callan, and
>>> others, who were active when I first came to COLA.
>>
>> Perhaps they were worn thin by the trolls? I remember Roy seemed
>> burnt out towards the end.
>
> He, like you, was caught nym shifting and shilling his own posts. He was
No, he was *accused* of that, by a few, and without much in the way of
proof. The jury is still out.
> also, a laughing stock for not releasing the source for his skewed
> statistics.
Only to those who give a monkey's about the silly stats. And [H]omer *did*
give out some of the code, which you proceeded to ignore. Why not stop
whining about it?
--
Kier
Kier
For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we don't need
someone else at it.
--
Kier
Peter Köhlmann
What is "bad" about it? It lists the things (some of them, at least) which
Hadron Quark knows absolutely nothing about. And he keeps increasing that
list.
Or do you actually think that he knows anything at all about "kernel
hacking" (*his* claim)?
--
No trees were destroyed in the sending of this message, however, a
significant number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:45:23 +0900, High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>> High Plains Thumper writes:
>>>>> Kier wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot of the old advocates have gone as well, though, Roy
>>>>>> Culley, Liam Slider, rapskat, Bo Grimes, Philip Callan,
>>>>>> and others, who were active when I first came to COLA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps they were worn thin by the trolls? I remember Roy
>>>>> seemed burnt out towards the end.
>>>>
>>>> He, like you, was caught nym shifting and shilling his own
>>>> posts. He was also, a laughing stock for not releasing the
>>>> source for his skewed statistics.
>>>
>>> Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux advocate",
>>> "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X
>>> specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "newsreader
>>> magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron Quark, aka Hans
>>> Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
>>
>> For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we don't need
>> someone else at it.
>>
>
> What is "bad" about it? It lists the things (some of them, at least) which
> Hadron Quark knows absolutely nothing about. And he keeps increasing that
> list.
It's annoying, and rather stupid. Once is amusing, anything more begins to
look like 7's blatherings, and becomes distinctly counter-productive.
> Or do you actually think that he knows anything at all about "kernel
> hacking" (*his* claim)?
He might. I don't think for a minute he was claiming to anything more than
a few patches or peronal modifications. People have been known to do that.
--
Kier
7
Somewhere near Redmond. A camp with some big letters
starting with M.
> Also, to get the free
> spliff do I have to participate in the group hug, or can I go just for
> the spliff?
My friend! After a few spliffs, you are ready to hug Ballmer himself!
> Is the group hug just one of those rest each others' arms
> on the shoulders for comfort hugs,
A bit lower...
> or is it a hug it out kind of group
> hug?
You have to go in low and while someone's back is turned.
Its the holy hug from behind. Its called the Micoshaft Corporation way.
You just can't get any holier than that.
> Is it only for shills, or can I attend too? So many questions on
> a Saturday morning...
Plenty of wannabies have tried. Unless you have one of those
Micoshaft donated free laptops for shills to hand, you just can't get in.
>
> Oh, I forgot: Release the source!
If you are quick at ducking, you can ask this to Ballmer himself
at the group hug therapy sessions.
Peter Köhlmann
Good. I certainly hope Hadron Quark is annoyed by being constantly told what
he does not know
> and rather stupid.
You are right. He *is* stupid
> Once is amusing, anything more begins to
> look like 7's blatherings, and becomes distinctly counter-productive.
I agree. He should change his posting style. It certainly looks anything as
bad as "7s" blather. Even dumber, if possible at all
>> Or do you actually think that he knows anything at all about "kernel
>> hacking" (*his* claim)?
>
> He might.
No, he might not. Every post so far he did in the ubuntu group indicates
that he is a newbie, possibly even just running a liveCD.
In COLA he has done nothing but trolling and insulting linux advocates
> I don't think for a minute he was claiming to anything more than
> a few patches or peronal modifications.
He knows not the tiniest little bit about that
> People have been known to do that.
>
Right. People have been know to do that.
But then, those people where not idiotic posers who singlehandly have
designed, built and maiden-startet the CERN ring collider
--
I say you need to visit Clues 'R' Us. They are having a special on
slightly used clues.
Hadron
It's funny when Peter does it. He's good at it. You just reinforce the
pervading opinion of you that you are one of Roy's lapdogs with little,
if anything, to say for yourself. Oh, and you're wrong about the
Schneider and O'Leary. Whoever did that, did do a good job of
implication I will say.
Nakwhaha?
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Linonut
Illegitamus non tattum carborundum!
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Anonymous Sender
> > The shills have all been diverted to illegal boot camps for a group hug
> > and free spliffs after the severe beatings they got from COLA.
> > I have it on full authority that cowardice will not be tolerated and
> > they will be sent back in to the ring in
> > October with fresh material after having taken
> > a full course of drugs and hallucinatory experiences on which to base
> > their asstroturfing posts.
> >
>
> Where is this illegal boot camp you speak of? Also, to get the free
> spliff do I have to participate in the group hug,
Nothing like admitting you're a shill.
Moron.
Jim Richardson
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Didn't Hadron do a little nymshifting? Hans somebody?
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Never volunteer... they'll send you to earth
Kier
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:46:22 +0100,
> Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:38:31 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Kier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A lot of the old advocates have gone as well, though, Roy
>>>>> Culley, Liam Slider, rapskat, Bo Grimes, Philip Callan, and
>>>>> others, who were active when I first came to COLA.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps they were worn thin by the trolls? I remember Roy seemed
>>>> burnt out towards the end.
>>>
>>> He, like you, was caught nym shifting and shilling his own posts. He was
>>
>> No, he was *accused* of that, by a few, and without much in the way of
>> proof. The jury is still out.
>>
>>> also, a laughing stock for not releasing the source for his skewed
>>> statistics.
>>
>> Only to those who give a monkey's about the silly stats. And [H]omer *did*
>> give out some of the code, which you proceeded to ignore. Why not stop
>> whining about it?
>>
>
>
> Didn't Hadron do a little nymshifting? Hans somebody?
>
It's been suggested, though he denies it.
--
Kier
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper writes:
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper writes:
>>>> Kier wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A lot of the old advocates have gone as well, though,
>>>>> Roy Culley, Liam Slider, rapskat, Bo Grimes, Philip
>>>>> Callan, and others, who were active when I first came
>>>>> to COLA.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps they were worn thin by the trolls? I remember
>>>> Roy seemed burnt out towards the end.
>>>
>>> He, like you, was caught nym shifting and shilling his own
>>> posts. He was also, a laughing stock for not releasing
>>> the source for his skewed statistics.
>>
>> Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux
>> advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
>> expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
>> admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron
>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
>
> It's funny when Peter does it. He's good at it. You just
> reinforce the pervading opinion of you that you are one of
> Roy's lapdogs with little, if anything, to say for yourself.
> Oh, and you're wrong about the Schneider and O'Leary. Whoever
> did that, did do a good job of implication I will say.
Oh, I see. It is humorous when Peter does it. It hurts when I
do it. Good. All this time you say nothing about the nyms and
now do the O.J. Simpson on us. Hide behind those tapes, Richard
Nixon!
You attack advocates without provocation. You follow me closely
around this newsgroup, like the dung on a baby's damp nappy, like
you have some obsessive, compulsive reason to. You just can't
seem to leave people alone.
You post extremely little advocacy. Majority of your posts are
off-topic. Majority of your posts are harrassment toward
advocates. Now you call me a lapdog of Roy, for my replying to
Roy a couple times.
Way to go, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user",
"swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron Quark,
aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary!
> Nakwhaha?
More unintelligible baby talk, and you have the nerve to accuse
me of English as a second language. Orh' your head, lah! Han tse!
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux
>> advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
>> expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
>> admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron
>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
>
> For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we
> don't need someone else at it.
Is listening to Hadron's gobshite more acceptable?
--
HPT
William Poaster
It is to Kier, he likes trolls.
--
Operating systems:
FreeBSD 6.2, Debian 4.0
PCLinuxOS 2007, (K)Ubuntu 7.04
Ubuntu 7.10 "Gutsy" alpha - Tribe 5
Kier
Neither is particularly acceptable, frankly. But do you want to look as
big a dickhead as him, or rise above it?
--
Kier
William Poaster
It would seem he doesn't.
<quote>
And yet with Linux (or some distros) new kernel means compiling a new
video driver. Nightmare.
(You'll note he posts an URL, & not anything *he's* experienced)
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=89130&sid=468f88443356e877b98045f6e281780c
<unquote>
Source: Re: [News] Customers Stung by 64-bit Microsoft Windows
Hadron Quack - comp.os.linux.advocacy - Sat, 22 Sep 2007
I don't imagine he's ever compiled a kernel. I used to, back when I first
started using linux (& up to SuSE 6.4), just to see what I could do with
it, & found it most interesting. However, I haven't had the need since
then.
Kier
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux
>>>> advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
>>>> expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
>>>> admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron
>>>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
>>>
>>> For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we
>>> don't need someone else at it.
>>
>> Is listening to Hadron's gobshite more acceptable?
>
> It is to Kier, he likes trolls.
Fuck off, William, you liar.
--
Kier
Peter Köhlmann
Well, he denies being a lying troll and asshole, too
--
Tact, n.:
The unsaid part of what you're thinking.
Peter Köhlmann
He has a point. Now if Hadron would only call himself "Snot"...
Not that there is a real difference. Both are unbelievable dishonest
--
I hear if you play the Windows XP CD backward you'll hear satanic
messages. But even scarier, if you play it forward it installs
Windows XP!!
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:02:39 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kier wrote:
>>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux
>>>>>> advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
>>>>>> expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
>>>>>> admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron
>>>>>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
>>>>>
>>>>> For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we
>>>>> don't need someone else at it.
>>>>
>>>> Is listening to Hadron's gobshite more acceptable?
>>>
>>> It is to Kier, he likes trolls.
>>
>> Fuck off, William, you liar.
>>
>
> He has a point.
No, he doesn't. Especially as he never reads what I actually *write*,
since he has me killfiled. Soi he should shut his fucking mouth. Judging
anyone by hearsay is utterly stupid and dishonest.
>Now if Hadron would only call himself "Snot"...
Why? He isn't Snit.
>
> Not that there is a real difference. Both are unbelievable dishonest
So what? Where does William get off calling *me* names? I *don't like
trolls.
--
Kier
cc
wrote:
Nothing like cutting the part of the post where I explicitly state I
am not a shill. Try again you stupid fuck.
cc
Is this what you think about all day? Kinky.
Peter Köhlmann
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:41:50 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:02:39 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>>>
>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kier wrote:
>>>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux
>>>>>>> advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
>>>>>>> expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
>>>>>>> admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron
>>>>>>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we
>>>>>> don't need someone else at it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is listening to Hadron's gobshite more acceptable?
>>>>
>>>> It is to Kier, he likes trolls.
>>>
>>> Fuck off, William, you liar.
>>>
>>
>> He has a point.
>
> No, he doesn't.
He has. You had (and have) a tendency to entertain trolls
> Especially as he never reads what I actually *write*,
> since he has me killfiled.
Yes. Because you were entertaining trolls like Snot
> Soi he should shut his fucking mouth. Judging
> anyone by hearsay is utterly stupid and dishonest.
Well, I am certain he gets to see enough of your posts by quotes from others
>>Now if Hadron would only call himself "Snot"...
>
> Why? He isn't Snit.
It would make it easier for you to entertain him (see why he has a point?)
>> Not that there is a real difference. Both are unbelievable dishonest
>
> So what? Where does William get off calling *me* names? I *don't like
> trolls.
You are on record of saying "as long as he is polite to me..."
You took that as an excuse to entertain Snot, despite being asked by several
people to stop it. So, yes, he has a point
--
Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way
before it is understood.
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:41:50 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>> Kier wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:02:39 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kier wrote:
>>>>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux
>>>>>>>> advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
>>>>>>>> expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
>>>>>>>> admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron
>>>>>>>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we
>>>>>>> don't need someone else at it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is listening to Hadron's gobshite more acceptable?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is to Kier, he likes trolls.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off, William, you liar.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He has a point.
>>
>> No, he doesn't.
>
> He has. You had (and have) a tendency to entertain trolls
Replying to them, refuting their crap, is not 'liking them'. I don't like
them, at all. I despise them.
>
>> Especially as he never reads what I actually *write*,
>> since he has me killfiled.
>
> Yes. Because you were entertaining trolls like Snot
Don't drag that lame argument in again, Peter. It's becoming a bit
pathetic of you.
>
>> Soi he should shut his fucking mouth. Judging
>> anyone by hearsay is utterly stupid and dishonest.
>
> Well, I am certain he gets to see enough of your posts by quotes from others
Big deal. He sees only what suits him. If he doesn't read my posts entire,
he doesn't know what I said.
>
>>>Now if Hadron would only call himself "Snot"...
>>
>> Why? He isn't Snit.
>
> It would make it easier for you to entertain him (see why he has a point?)
No, becausehe doesn't. You replied to Snit longer than I ever did. Stop
being a liar, Peter. *You're* behaving like a troll here.
>
>>> Not that there is a real difference. Both are unbelievable dishonest
>>
>> So what? Where does William get off calling *me* names? I *don't like
>> trolls.
>
> You are on record of saying "as long as he is polite to me..."
So what? Until someone proves himself to be a troll *in COLA*, he's just
another poster. Your judgement isn't the be-all and end-all of who is what
in COLA. Nor is William's.
>
> You took that as an excuse to entertain Snot, despite being asked by several
> people to stop it. So, yes, he has a point
No, Peter, he doesn't. And you can drop the Snit references, since you are
spouting utter shite. You don't like Snit? Big fucking deal.
--
Kier
William Poaster
> Kier wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:41:50 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>> Kier wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:02:39 +0100, William Poaster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kier wrote:
>>>>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux
>>>>>>>> advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
>>>>>>>> expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
>>>>>>>> admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron
>>>>>>>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we
>>>>>>> don't need someone else at it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is listening to Hadron's gobshite more acceptable?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is to Kier, he likes trolls.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck off, William, you liar.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He has a point.
>>
>> No, he doesn't.
>
> He has. You had (and have) a tendency to entertain trolls.
He dances to their tune, no matter how many times they repeat things.
>> Especially as he never reads what I actually *write*,
>> since he has me killfiled.
>
> Yes. Because you were entertaining trolls like Snot
And DFS, & no doubt others.
>> Soi he should shut his fucking mouth. Judging
>> anyone by hearsay is utterly stupid and dishonest.
>
> Well, I am certain he gets to see enough of your posts by quotes from
> others
I used to read some of his posts, & I still see some replies to him. Some
people actually asking him to stop. But no, he'd sooner dance.
>>>Now if Hadron would only call himself "Snot"...
>>
>> Why? He isn't Snit.
>
> It would make it easier for you to entertain him (see why he has a point?)
Exactly.
>>> Not that there is a real difference. Both are unbelievable dishonest
>>
>> So what? Where does William get off calling *me* names? I *don't like
>> trolls.
>
> You are on record of saying "as long as he is polite to me..."
He may as well ask them "please don't troll", FFS, like they'd stop.
> You took that as an excuse to entertain Snot, despite being asked by
> several people to stop it. So, yes, he has a point
Looks like I hit a nerve, like I care.
Peter Köhlmann
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:59:16 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
< snip >
>> You are on record of saying "as long as he is polite to me..."
>
> So what? Until someone proves himself to be a troll *in COLA*, he's just
> another poster. Your judgement isn't the be-all and end-all of who is what
> in COLA. Nor is William's.
No, it is not. Although so far I have had quite a good feel for detecting
trolls.
It is something entirely different when the group as a whole finds pond scum
like Snot to be a troll, and for good reasons, and you "converse nicely"
with him as "he was polite to you so far"
>>
>> You took that as an excuse to entertain Snot, despite being asked by
>> several people to stop it. So, yes, he has a point
>
> No, Peter, he doesn't.
Well, I say he does. You say he does not. Lets throw the dice
> And you can drop the Snit references, since you are
> spouting utter shite.
Actually, no, I do not. You *were* asked *repeatedly* to drop it, as you
were giving that asshole the platform he needed for his trolling
> You don't like Snit? Big fucking deal.
>
Well, show us /someone/ who likes Snot. I am certain even his mother is
ashamed of that dishonest swine. Her only excuse for not having him
strangled directly after birth would be that he is not even fit to serve as
fertilizer
--
Try to be the best of whatever you are, even if what you are is
no good.
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:59:16 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
> < snip >
>
>>> You are on record of saying "as long as he is polite to me..."
>>
>> So what? Until someone proves himself to be a troll *in COLA*, he's just
>> another poster. Your judgement isn't the be-all and end-all of who is what
>> in COLA. Nor is William's.
>
> No, it is not. Although so far I have had quite a good feel for detecting
> trolls.
> It is something entirely different when the group as a whole finds pond scum
> like Snot to be a troll, and for good reasons, and you "converse nicely"
> with him as "he was polite to you so far"
>
>>>
>>> You took that as an excuse to entertain Snot, despite being asked by
>>> several people to stop it. So, yes, he has a point
>>
>> No, Peter, he doesn't.
>
> Well, I say he does. You say he does not. Lets throw the dice
>
>> And you can drop the Snit references, since you are
>> spouting utter shite.
>
> Actually, no, I do not. You *were* asked *repeatedly* to drop it, as you
> were giving that asshole the platform he needed for his trolling
Yeah, yeah.
>
>> You don't like Snit? Big fucking deal.
>>
>
> Well, show us /someone/ who likes Snot. I am certain even his mother is
> ashamed of that dishonest swine. Her only excuse for not having him
> strangled directly after birth would be that he is not even fit to serve as
> fertilizer
Funny part is, you keep replying to him, while I don't. What does that
make you?
--
Kier
Peter Köhlmann
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:22:26 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:59:16 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>>> You are on record of saying "as long as he is polite to me..."
>>>
>>> So what? Until someone proves himself to be a troll *in COLA*, he's just
>>> another poster. Your judgement isn't the be-all and end-all of who is
>>> what in COLA. Nor is William's.
>>
>> No, it is not. Although so far I have had quite a good feel for detecting
>> trolls.
>> It is something entirely different when the group as a whole finds pond
>> scum like Snot to be a troll, and for good reasons, and you "converse
>> nicely" with him as "he was polite to you so far"
>>
>>>>
>>>> You took that as an excuse to entertain Snot, despite being asked by
>>>> several people to stop it. So, yes, he has a point
>>>
>>> No, Peter, he doesn't.
>>
>> Well, I say he does. You say he does not. Lets throw the dice
>>
>>> And you can drop the Snit references, since you are
>>> spouting utter shite.
>>
>> Actually, no, I do not. You *were* asked *repeatedly* to drop it, as you
>> were giving that asshole the platform he needed for his trolling
>
> Yeah, yeah.
Ah, so I am not just "spouting utter shite"? Thought so
>>
>>> You don't like Snit? Big fucking deal.
>>>
>>
>> Well, show us /someone/ who likes Snot. I am certain even his mother is
>> ashamed of that dishonest swine. Her only excuse for not having him
>> strangled directly after birth would be that he is not even fit to serve
>> as fertilizer
>
> Funny part is, you keep replying to him, while I don't. What does that
> make you?
>
Funny part: I don't reply to that POS since several month, as I have
killfiled Snot. I don't even *see* his garbage as long as he is not quoted
Pray tell, how do I "reply to him" then? And what does that make you, as you
were aware of that killfiling Snot?
Kier, I generally like your posts. But often you are overdoing it
with "being levelheaded". And when you are reminded of past errors (to keep
you from "overdoing"), you get abusive way too often
--
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
rearranging their prejudices. -- William James
Tim Smith
Peter Kohlmann <peter.k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> He has a point. Now if Hadron would only call himself "Snot"...
Would that mean you would then seek out threads that containing
reasonable and interesting discussion that he is in, and start trolling,
just like you do with Snit?
--
--Tim Smith
Kier
No, you are spouting utter shite.
>
>>>
>>>> You don't like Snit? Big fucking deal.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, show us /someone/ who likes Snot. I am certain even his mother is
>>> ashamed of that dishonest swine. Her only excuse for not having him
>>> strangled directly after birth would be that he is not even fit to serve
>>> as fertilizer
>>
>> Funny part is, you keep replying to him, while I don't. What does that
>> make you?
>>
>
> Funny part: I don't reply to that POS since several month, as I have
> killfiled Snot. I don't even *see* his garbage as long as he is not quoted
Whereas I've barely replied to him once in the last year or more. So why
do you keep draggin ghim into the conversation, like he had any relevance?
>
> Pray tell, how do I "reply to him" then? And what does that make you, as you
> were aware of that killfiling Snot?
You have replied to him many, many more times than me. Long after I
stopped. Yete you*still* drag it up, time after time, like it was some
terrible sin. Yet you committed it far more than I did, with you stupid
cross-posts.
>
> Kier, I generally like your posts. But often you are overdoing it
> with "being levelheaded". And when you are reminded of past errors (to keep
> you from "overdoing"), you get abusive way too often
How come it's okay for you and William and others to abuse *me*? Are you
somehow bigger and better than me?
--
Kier
Hadron
He tried just that in the Ubuntu group. And pretty much got laughed out
of it by the more serious posters there who know my more serious
side. The Dutch guy (sic.) who has piccies of Roy on his wall tried it
too. Both ended up looking rather foolish.
--
Primera ley para caminar sobre el ala de un avión: Nunca se suelte de
donde esta sujeto hasta que se haya agarrado a otra cosa.
-- Hertzeberg.
Peter Köhlmann
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:46:03 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
< snip >
>> Kier, I generally like your posts. But often you are overdoing it
>> with "being levelheaded". And when you are reminded of past errors (to
>> keep you from "overdoing"), you get abusive way too often
>
> How come it's okay for you and William and others to abuse *me*? Are you
> somehow bigger and better than me?
>
Just let the others out of this, will you. Because I don't speak for them.
I do not "abuse" you. I tell you where you are wrong. And yes, I am bigger
and better than you are.
Spot the mocking
--
My other computer is your windows box
DFS
> In COLA he has done nothing but trolling and insulting linux advocates
What else do cola "advocates" deserve?
Excepting Kier, the majority of you are lying hypocrites who make a living
with Windows by day and lie about it at night. You can't get more pathetic
than that.
DFS
> It is to Kier, he likes trolls.
No he doesn't. He likes to argue.
Plus, "advocates" are boooorrriinnngggg, with their tiresome lying tirades
against MS.
Mark Kent
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux
>>>> advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
>>>> expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
>>>> admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron
>>>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
>>>
>>> For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we
>>> don't need someone else at it.
>>
>> Is listening to Hadron's gobshite more acceptable?
>
> It is to Kier, he likes trolls.
>
I don't know whether he likes the trolls, or he just likes to be
trolled, but he certainly has different levels of expectation for trolls
and advocates in terms of behaviour. It's hard to find some kind of
excuse for this.
--
| Mark Kent -- mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk |
| Cola faq: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/linux/advocacy/faq-and-primer/ |
| Cola trolls: http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/ |
| My (new) blog: http://www.thereisnomagic.org |
Mark Kent
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> ____/ Mark Kent on Saturday 22 September 2007 08:56 : \____
>>
> Microsoft-Entourage 1 22 +2100.0%
> slrn 80 250 +212.5%
> MT-NewsWatcher (Intel Mac OS X) 19 19 0.0%
> MacSOUP 2 2 0.0%
> COLA Stats Engine 1 1 0.0%
> Pan 156 155 -0.6%
> Microsoft Windows Mail 32 23 -28.1%
> G2 217 129 -40.6%
> KNode 857 507 -40.8%
> Thunderbird 306 158 -48.4%
> Forte Agent 72 30 -58.3%
> Gnus 205 79 -61.5%
> 40tude_Dialog 77 24 -68.8%
> tin 26 7 -73.1%
> Microsoft Outlook Express 538 52 -90.3%
> Sylpheed 109 3 -97.2%
> Mozilla 111 3 -97.3%
> ProNews 99 1 -99.0%
> Halime (Mac OS X (PPC)) 7 0 -100.0%
> Hogwasher 11 0 -100.0%
> knews 18 0 -100.0%
> MesNews 5 0 -100.0%
> MicroPlanet-Gravity 1 0 -100.0%
> MR/2 Internet Cruiser 7 0 -100.0%
> Opera Mail (Win32) 1 0 -100.0%
> Shysterwitch 528 0 -100.0%
> trn 1 0 -100.0%
> Unison 25 0 -100.0%
> Xnews 2 0 -100.0%
> YA-NewsWatcher 2 0 -100.0%
> TOTAL 3,516 1,465 -58.3%
>
> I see some definite trends here. Microsoft Entourage is
> insignificant at 1 to 22. Slrn gain is greatest at 80 to 250 or
> 213% up. Outlook Express has dropped significantly from 538 to
> 52, down 90%.
>
> Posting has dropped down overall, nearly 60%. That tells me that
> Linux is gaining every day, advocacy is slowly becoming less of a
> need. This is going to become a lonely city for the trolls.
>
What's most amazing is that this is over a period of just 12 months.
I'd also point out that this period has seen the growth of the News
postings and the digest - I started the digest on, I think, the 3rd Sep
06 (must check that). The whole flavour of cola has shifted
significantly in that time, linux adoption has increased massively, with
the biggest gains being in devices (satnav, dvr, mobile, web tablet,
olpc etc.), followed by servers of all kinds, but then we also have some
new interesting areas, like the PS3 console designed from the outset to
run linux, and then the amazingly successful Ubuntu. The impact of the
liveCD should also not be underestimated.
Kier
> William Poaster <w...@FreeBSD-6.2-mc2.eu> espoused:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>>> Kier wrote:
>>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Another fine linux advocacy post from the "true linux
>>>>> advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile
>>>>> expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
>>>>> admin", "newsreader magician" and "hardware maven" Hadron
>>>>> Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian O'Leary.
>>>>
>>>> For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we
>>>> don't need someone else at it.
>>>
>>> Is listening to Hadron's gobshite more acceptable?
>>
>> It is to Kier, he likes trolls.
>>
>
> I don't know whether he likes the trolls, or he just likes to be
> trolled, but he certainly has different levels of expectation for trolls
> and advocates in terms of behaviour. It's hard to find some kind of
> excuse for this.
Particularly when it isn't true. Except that one expects dishonesty from
trolls. Should I also expect it from Linux advocates?
--
Kier
Tim Smith
Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Particularly when it isn't true. Except that one expects dishonesty from
> trolls. Should I also expect it from Linux advocates?
Linux advocates can be trolls.
--
--Tim Smith
Kier
I think that a lot of the problems arise because of a perception, whether
true or false, that to be a Linux advocate someone has to follow a certain
'party line'. Frankly, here's too much ideology around here, and not
enough common-sense. People use Linux for all sorts of reasons, not just
one, and they can advocate it in a variety of ways, too.
--
Kier
Mark Kent
In the early days of Debian, if you wanted sound support, you had to
compile a kernel. Equally, if you wanted the AX25 (the amateur radio)
stuff in, you also needed to compile your own.
It was interesting going through the process, not particularly
difficult, and even if you'd had no programming experience, I can't see
it being that tough.
High Plains Thumper
> William Poaster espoused:
>
>> I don't imagine he's ever compiled a kernel. I used to, back
>> when I first started using linux (& up to SuSE 6.4), just to
>> see what I could do with it, & found it most interesting.
>> However, I haven't had the need since then.
>
> In the early days of Debian, if you wanted sound support, you
> had to compile a kernel. Equally, if you wanted the AX25 (the
> amateur radio) stuff in, you also needed to compile your own.
>
> It was interesting going through the process, not particularly
> difficult, and even if you'd had no programming experience, I
> can't see it being that tough.
It isn't. I did it in SuSE 6.4, had an ATI Rage-II video card,
which at the time was a decent video card. Also had the Trident
4D-Wave-DX, decent sound card. Downloaded driver files from the
ATI site, download drivers from ALSA site. Followed directions.
It is basically cookbook.
With ATI going open again, may try it in the near future with my
Radeon.
--
HPT
William Poaster
Snap! I had the same Trident 4D-Wave-DX sound card when I was running SuSE
6.4! Got it working without too much bother.
> With ATI going open again, may try it in the near future with my
> Radeon.
>
--
chrisv
>> Or do you actually think that he knows anything at all about "kernel
>> hacking" (*his* claim)?
>
>He might. I don't think for a minute he was claiming to anything more than
>a few patches or peronal modifications. People have been known to do that.
Yeah, we'd best give him "the benefit of the doubt", eh Kier? The
fact he's a demonstrated lying asshole shouldn't matter...
William Poaster
Or the fact that he actually stated he *does* troll.
Mark Kent
> chrisv wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>
>>>> Or do you actually think that he knows anything at all about "kernel
>>>> hacking" (*his* claim)?
>>>
>>>He might. I don't think for a minute he was claiming to anything more than
>>>a few patches or peronal modifications. People have been known to do that.
>>
>> Yeah, we'd best give him "the benefit of the doubt", eh Kier? The
>> fact he's a demonstrated lying asshole shouldn't matter...
>
> Or the fact that he actually stated he *does* troll.
>
He did. In a discussion with me, some time ago.
Mark Kent
It's the only way they're going to hang on to sales, I think. 3D is
only really important for games, but if the drivers are open, then I can
see bells and whistles being added (like compiz) for a bit of fun.
Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer
> Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> writes:
>
> > In article <fd45nd$hml$03$4...@news.t-online.com>,
> > Peter Kohlmann <peter.k...@t-online.de> wrote:
> >> He has a point. Now if Hadron would only call himself "Snot"...
> >
> > Would that mean you would then seek out threads that containing
> > reasonable and interesting discussion that he is in, and start trolling,
> > just like you do with Snit?
>
> He tried just that in the Ubuntu group. And pretty much got laughed out
What an amusing bit of revisionism.
High Plains Thumper
>>> With ATI going open again, may try it in the near future
>>> with my Radeon.
>
> It's the only way they're going to hang on to sales, I think.
> 3D is only really important for games, but if the drivers are
> open, then I can see bells and whistles being added (like
> compiz) for a bit of fun.
It is a reason why as of almost a decade ago, Windows games
ported to Linux ran much, much smoother than in Windows.
(BTW, William's post did not come through although I saw his
through your reply. It looks like a hiccup occurred in the
Usenet ether.)
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Kier wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>
>>>> "kernel hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist",
>>>> "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin", "newsreader magician" and
>>>> "hardware maven" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Damian
>>>> O'Leary.
>>>
>>> For heaven's sake, it's bad enough when Peter K does that, we don't
>>> need someone else at it.
>>
>
> big a dickhead as him, or rise above it?
Replying to a troll, not replying to a troll, neither is a win-win
situation.
Best description was given 4,000 years ago:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=proverbs%2026:4,5&version=31
New International Version (NIV)
Proverbs 26:4
4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you will be like him yourself.
Proverbs 26:5
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.
Don't reply to him, he keeps spewing his gobshite. It gives the
appearance that the reason why one does not reply is the troll is right.
OTOH, replying to him can give the appearance that both are wrong.
So one is wrong in not replying, one is wrong in replying. There is no
winning against a fool.