Re: Linux is not bad, but very rough around the edges.
Montrose...
> After a miserable experience with fedora
You're supposed to wear it on your head, not play hide the salami with it!
rapskat
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> Improve Linux and maybe it will go somewhere but for now it is a 3rd
> world perating system looking for a country.
It's so laughable to read totally clueless posts like this and then see
constantly how LGX/OSS is making leaps and strides throughout the IT
world.
If nothing else, it just makes the poster look like a complete idiot with
their head so far up their ass they can't even see what's going on around
them.
If anything in this post were in the least true and accurate, Linux
certainly wouldn't be going the places it's going and be used by the
multitudes of individuals, institutions, companies and governments that it
is.
So what's really more convincing, the insignificant experiences of one
lone troll or the millions of REAL WORLD success stories out there?
I think we all know.
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The man who sets out to carry a cat by its tail learns something
that will always be useful and which never will grow dim or doubtful.
-- Mark Twain.
tab
When you buy a Mac, you check to see if the printer is listed on the
Box. You have to do the same with Linux, or at least look it up AHEAD
OF TIME. A pain in the butt, and you can't go just buy a printer, you
have to research first.
When it comes to applications written for only Internet Exploder, most
of the time FireFox or Opera will work. If not, you can't go Linux.
Any Questions?
Linux is free, and it does SOME things well, but may not be for
everyone in every situation.
Sinister Midget
On 2005-04-09, quoth Phillip Cornwallis <corn...@yahoo.com>:
> After a miserable experience with fedora 64 bit, I decided to sample some
> of the Linux offerings and without going into a long detailed report, I
> can sum it all up in a paragraph.
You needed too many words to explain it, Dick. Mildly interested
readers might become bored and not get to the conclusion.
Let me help you summarize a little better.
WAAAAAAHHHHHHHH! I can't make it work. It's all somebody else's
fault.
There you go. Says exactly the same thing, but doesn't put the dear
reader to sleep.
HTH, Dick.
--
Netsky - Innovative Microsoft peer-to-peer software.
Ku Karlovsky
<corn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<<eSY5e.1104$7I....@fe12.lga>>:
> After a miserable experience
We all have a miserable experience when you dredge up the rotting
corpse of a troll and post it under a new fishnick, Flathead.
ray
> After a miserable experience with fedora 64 bit, I decided to sample some
> of the Linux offerings and without going into a long detailed report, I
> can sum it all up in a paragraph.
>
> Linux is nice, but it is strictly in the minor leagues as far as ease of
> use, application stability and usefullness of the applications included
> with the average Linux distribution.
> Sure it's nice that IBM and Pixar use Linux, but I don't need that kind of
> power nor do I have a staff of programmers at my beckoning call to make
> that stuff work.
> I need office applications, desktop media, transportability with my
> clients, 99 percent of which are using either Windows or Apple and quite
> frankly, Linux drops the ball by a large sum.
>
> So where does Linux fall short?
>
> Hardware support, especially for printers and scanners.
I've not had any problems - I have an Apollo P2200 I've been using for
quite some time; recently purchased a Brother HL1440 laser printer - works
fine. My Epson Perfection 2400 Photo works quite well.
> Software support for web based day trading applications that
inisist the
> user be using Internet Explorer.
You can't hardly blame Linux if the assholes who do the software demand IE.
> Financial packages that my accountant requires me to install so that he
> can pick up the monthly books on CDROM. All automatic under Windows.
>
> I'm sorry but you can wail and flai your arms all you like but Linux
> just does not cut the mustard in what is, unfortunately, a Windows
> world. For Linux to overtake Windows it has to be better and for the
> life of me and others we can not see Linux winning in any catagory
> except price. And when price is taken and put into context, it is a
> minor issue.
>
> Improve Linux and maybe it will go somewhere but for now it is a 3rd
> world perating system looking for a country.
I find it fills all my needs admirably. I have three networked home
computers running Linux - I use Mozilla, Kmail (to access hotmail), and
GnuCash. I've recently started doing panorama pictures with the panorama
tools - all of it works quite well. I recently installed Mandrake on the
publice access internet computers at a local library (along with
OpenOffice, AbiWord and Gnumeric) - it's all working fine, and the patrons
seem to have adapted with no problem.
shmell...@hotmail.com
Use Windows XP SP2 with OSS apps, "d" winning combo!
Shmell
Liam Slider
> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.4 (PPC Mac OS X)
Someone with a Mac spouting pro-Windows drivel? I'm guessing....A
nymshifted Mike Cox. Am I close?
Ku Karlovsky
<li...@nospam.liamslider.com> wrote in message
<<pan.2005.04.10....@nospam.liamslider.com>>:
Flatfish posted many articles under his Sven Lossen pseudonym. Those
articles had MT-NewsWatcher as User-Agent.
Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez
> Linux is nice, but it is strictly in the minor leagues as far as ease of
> use, application stability and usefullness of the applications included
> with the average Linux distribution.
I'm fed up with all this stupid messages.
Regards.
--
Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez
Director Tecnico de bgSEC
jker...@bgsec.com
bgSEC Seguridad y Consultoria de Sistemas Informaticos
http://www.bgsec.com
ESPAÑA
The only people for me are the mad ones -- the ones who are mad to live,
mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time,
the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn
like fabulous yellow Roman candles.
-- Jack Kerouac, "On the Road"
Roy Culley
<djih51la8gipf0b0p...@4ax.com>,
Plus posting from Optimum Online and using X-No-Archive. Very fishy to
say the least.
William Poaster
Cornwallis was seen to write:
> Linux is nice, but it is strictly in the minor leagues as far as ease of
> use, application stability and usefullness of the applications included
> with the average Linux distribution.
So, you've never installed & run a linux distro. You're just following the
rest of the trolls, & repeating what they say.
--
Anyone that thinks Window is superior, well..
You can't explain somethings to stupid people...
-- bandit -- SuSE Linux Forums
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> Software support for web based day trading applications that inisist the
> user be using Internet Explorer.
> Financial packages that my accountant requires me to install so that he
> can pick up the monthly books on CDROM.
> All automatic under Windows.
Including virus that now infect automatic just by visiting web pages!
There are no known cures for windope defects.
Despite taking money, microshaft doesn't know how to fix their bugs.
Its astroturfers posting behind screen identities working for the
likes of dci and edelman contracted by microshat at $500 per astroturf
letter thats making me sick and drop Sun$, Mak$ and M$ products altogether!
I don't want to listen to astroturfers telling me their products
are great when they are not and then taking money and not
providing timely updates, and if they do it, break all my products
and customer products willy nilly.
Sun$, Mak$ and M$ products don't offer value for money.
Please don't buy them and leave yourself out of pocket.
Instead you get hold of hundreds of free liveCDs and
other GNU/Linus distros
http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php
http://www.distrowatch.com
Money just can't buy the tons of free evaluation stuff
and things like 3D windows
http://biglinux.codigolivre.org.br
Nothing that Sun$, Mak$ or M$ sucky products offer anything
anywhere as powerful and as easy to use as the 3D desktop liveCD
despite you having to pay for all that inferior technology.
Very soon all the secretaries and banking staff could
all run off 3D liveCDs free and there is nothing in the
way of GPL'd products that Sun$, Mak$ and M$ offer to
compete with what GNU/Linux engineers all over the world
enjoy today free. Its a great shame that astroturfers
still go around trying to sell money grabbing harmful products
from closed source vendors and then pretend its good
for you to purchase so that you can give them money - money
which will only be given to more astroturfers.
Linønut
> After a miserable experience with fedora 64 bit, I decided to sample some
> of the Linux offerings and without going into a long detailed report, I
> can sum it all up in a paragraph.
Too bad you didn't. Say, why were you posting as "kaptain kaput" earlier?
--
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
When all you have is Microsoft software, everything looks like Windows.
Linønut
> Use Windows XP SP2 with OSS apps, "d" winning combo!
Nah. Those apps run slower on Windows XP. You need Linux to get your
performance.
XP doesn't multitask very well, especially when the disk is being worked.
Linønut
> Linux is free, and it does SOME things well, but may not be for
> everyone in every situation.
I agree. And you have to have an open mind, and not be put off by cosmetic
differences. A lot of people are put off by cosmetic differences.
Liam Slider
Hmm you're right. I was just thinking Mike Cox because he's claimed to
\recently gotten a mini. Haven't noticed if those claims of his actually
hold water though. Probably right though, probably Flatfish.
shmell...@hotmail.com
> Nah. Those apps run slower on Windows XP. You need Linux to get
your
> performance.
Your opinion is not shared by over 95% of the world's computer users,
who choose Windows over Linux. FYI: More copies of Windows XP (Home &
Pro) are sold every day than the total existing Linux installed base
(all distros combined). Do you know why? Linux Sucks Dick!
> XP doesn't multitask very well, especially when the disk is being
worked.
You're lying again, you're out of material. XP is much much better than
Linux (light years ahead), just look at how many people buy it every
day -- they know Linux is free, but they choose Windows XP. Do you know
why? Linux Sucks Dick!
Shmell
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> After a miserable experience with fedora 64 bit, I decided to sample some
> of the Linux offerings and without going into a long detailed report, I
> can sum it all up in a paragraph.
> Linux is nice, but it is strictly in the minor leagues as far as ease of
> use, application stability and usefullness of the applications included
> with the average Linux distribution.
Nope... you only tried fedora... so it's only an opinion about fedora.
Fedora is one of the "middlingly" polished distros. More polished and easily
configurable than debian, less so than SuSE and Mandrake.
Try SuSE and come back again and tell us linux is "rough around the edges"
(Might as well wait for 9.3 though, it's just about due)
Sinister Midget
On 2005-04-11, quoth spi...@freenet.co.uk <spi...@freenet.co.uk>:
> Phillip Cornwallis <corn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> After a miserable experience
> Try SuSE and come back again and tell us linux is "rough around the edges"
> (Might as well wait for 9.3 though, it's just about due)
The main reason Fillip Phlatphish showed up is because SuSE's getting
ready with another one. The trolling always starts a bit beforehand.
You can set your watch, calendar and atomic clock using the regularity.
--
The three Rs of Microsoft support: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Its astroturfers posting behind screen identities working for the
Will you cut it out with the astroturfer shit. it's getting boring.
(tell us something WE DON'T KNOW!)
Linønut
> You're lying again, you're out of material. XP is much much better than
> Linux (light years ahead), just look at how many people buy it every
> day -- they know Linux is free, but they choose Windows XP. Do you know
> why? Linux Sucks Dick!
Hey, shmell, what were you saying earlier about Linux advocates being
juvenile assholes?
Remove the beam from your own eye first.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> tab poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>> Linux is free, and it does SOME things well, but may not be for
>> everyone in every situation.
> I agree. And you have to have an open mind, and not be put off by cosmetic
> differences. A lot of people are put off by cosmetic differences.
"This button doesn't have "start" on it. I can't start programs without a
"start" button!
And how do I shut down my machine? Where's my "start button"?
Oh, and the layout of the menus is all wrong, or the title bar's the wrong
colour with the wrong icons in the corner, or or or...
Yep :)
spi...@freenet.co.uk
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> On 2005-04-11, quoth spi...@freenet.co.uk <spi...@freenet.co.uk>:
>> Phillip Cornwallis <corn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> After a miserable experience
>> Try SuSE and come back again and tell us linux is "rough around the edges"
>> (Might as well wait for 9.3 though, it's just about due)
> The main reason Fillip Phlatphish showed up is because SuSE's getting
> ready with another one. The trolling always starts a bit beforehand.
Aye, I know...
that's why I suggested it.
At least it wasn't another one saying "SUSE leave out mp3 support!" this
time.
> You can set your watch, calendar and atomic clock using the regularity.
Well, you could... but the distros aren't that regular, and the peaks in
trolling coincide with imminent releases, so you're actually setting your
watch/calendar/atomic clock by the distributions...
not.... a good idea
:)
Phillip Cornwallis
After a miserable experience with fedora 64 bit, I decided to sample some
of the Linux offerings and without going into a long detailed report, I
can sum it all up in a paragraph.
Linux is nice, but it is strictly in the minor leagues as far as ease of
use, application stability and usefullness of the applications included
with the average Linux distribution.
Sure it's nice that IBM and Pixar use Linux, but I don't need that kind of
power nor do I have a staff of programmers at my beckoning call to make
that stuff work.
I need office applications, desktop media, transportability with my
clients, 99 percent of which are using either Windows or Apple and quite
frankly, Linux drops the ball by a large sum.
So where does Linux fall short?
Hardware support, especially for printers and scanners.
Software support for web based day trading applications that inisist the
user be using Internet Explorer.
Financial packages that my accountant requires me to install so that he
can pick up the monthly books on CDROM.
All automatic under Windows.
I'm sorry but you can wail and flai your arms all you like but Linux just
Ku Karlovsky
> After a miserable experience
Too bad. It sucks to be a Fish.
Kier
>
>
> After a miserable experience with fedora 64 bit, I decided to sample some
> of the Linux offerings and without going into a long detailed report, I
> can sum it all up in a paragraph.
So can I: you're a liar.
>
> Linux is nice, but it is strictly in the minor leagues as far as ease of
> use, application stability and usefullness of the applications included
> with the average Linux distribution.
Six or seven hundred applications at the least, and you can't find
anything useful? What are you smoking today, boyo? K3b - easy to use. The
GIMP - easy to use, don't think it's ever crashed on me. OpenOffice.org,
abiword, koffice - how many suites do you nned? Kstars - nice little
astronomy app. Celeastia, stellarium - even nicer. Blender - great 3D
modeller, you can even do animations with it. Mail apps, great browsers,
you name it, Linux has it. Stop whining.
> Sure it's nice that IBM and Pixar use Linux, but I don't need that kind of
> power nor do I have a staff of programmers at my beckoning call to make
> that stuff work.
Too stupid to make it work? Funny, I have few problems doing so.
> I need office applications, desktop media, transportability with my
> clients, 99 percent of which are using either Windows or Apple and quite
> frankly, Linux drops the ball by a large sum.
No, it doesn't.
>
> So where does Linux fall short?
>
> Hardware support, especially for printers and scanners.
Wrong. Good and getting better every day.
> Software support for web based day trading applications that inisist the
> user be using Internet Explorer.
Not the fault of Linux. It's stupid web designers who don't stick to
genuine standards, and write instead for one - out of many out there -
browser. And it's not even a good browser. Complain to the people who do
that, don't whine here.
> Financial packages that my accountant requires me to install so that he
> can pick up the monthly books on CDROM.
Whine to your accountant.
> All automatic under Windows.
Big deal.
>
> I'm sorry but you can wail and flai your arms all you like but Linux just
> does not cut the mustard in what is, unfortunately, a Windows world.
That is not a failing of Linux, so why are you blaming it? Blame Windows.
> For Linux to overtake Windows it has to be better and for the life of me
> and others we can not see Linux winning in any catagory except price.
> And when price is taken and put into context, it is a minor issue.
Not for a great many people in the real world, where money is tight.
>
> Improve Linux and maybe it will go somewhere but for now it is a 3rd world
> perating system looking for a country.
Didn't we hear this from you a few days ago? Can't you even be bothered
to think up some new lies to tell? These ones are stale bread, going
mouldy.
--
Kier
rapskat
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> So where does Linux fall short?
Do tell...
> Hardware support, especially for printers and scanners.
Are you trying to say that Linux has no support at all for printers and
scanners? If so, you are flat out lying.
Many of the more common printers and scanners are supported by most major
distros of Linux right out of the box. HP, Epson, Lexmark, Brother,
Okidata, etc. all are supported. There maybe certain models that are not
fully or at all supported yet, but the wise person checks first.
> Software support for web based day trading applications that inisist the
> user be using Internet Explorer.
And yet Wall Street is practically runs on Linux, imagine. So somehow
your little day trading website dictates how pertinent Linux is in IT?
What you should be asking yourself is *why* these sites require the most
insecure browser with a long documented history of vulnerabilities and
issues? Do you really want to trust your personal financial information
to someone who requires you to use something so insecure?
> Financial packages that my accountant requires me to install so that he
> can pick up the monthly books on CDROM. All automatic under Windows.
First off, these are overkill for many home users and small to medium
sized businesses. Many of the "features" that these offer will never be
used by most.
Secondly, do you want to trust your personal financial information to a
locked in proprietary format? Forced upgrades every year? Constant
nagging to purchase additional features and services that you don't want
or need? Essentially being shut down if you ever forget your password?
Incompatibility with other software or even previous versions of the same
software?
No, thank you.
> I'm sorry but you can wail and flai your arms all you like but Linux
> just does not cut the mustard in what is, unfortunately, a Windows
> world.
It *was* a Windows world. This is slowly but surely changing. It's
changing because people are starting to realize that they do have viable
alternatives that work and work well.
Linux - Secure, Stable, Open, Better.
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"Maybe is an Ambivalent Yet Beguiling Enigma"
Jim Trice
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>
>> So where does Linux fall short?
>
> Do tell...
>
>> Hardware support, especially for printers and scanners.
>
> Are you trying to say that Linux has no support at all for printers and
> scanners? If so, you are flat out lying.
>
> Many of the more common printers and scanners are supported by most major
> distros of Linux right out of the box. HP, Epson, Lexmark, Brother,
> Okidata, etc. all are supported. There maybe certain models that are not
> fully or at all supported yet, but the wise person checks first.
>
>> Software support for web based day trading applications that inisist the
>> user be using Internet Explorer.
>
> And yet Wall Street is practically runs on Linux, imagine. So somehow
> your little day trading website dictates how pertinent Linux is in IT?
>
> What you should be asking yourself is *why* these sites require the most
> insecure browser with a long documented history of vulnerabilities and
> issues? Do you really want to trust your personal financial information
> to someone who requires you to use something so insecure?
Something that always astounded me. Many banks used to be just as bad.
That's slowly changing. Now some of them are either looking for ways to
stop their customers from using IE for internet banking, or forcing users
to have to use a physical token, in the hopes that that will protect
customers from IE's poor security. Mostly, they don't want to have to deal
with angry or discouraged customers, or run the risk of being sued. How
long before other financial institutions start moving in the same
direction?
>
>> Financial packages that my accountant requires me to install so that he
>> can pick up the monthly books on CDROM. All automatic under Windows.
>
> First off, these are overkill for many home users and small to medium
> sized businesses. Many of the "features" that these offer will never be
> used by most.
>
> Secondly, do you want to trust your personal financial information to a
> locked in proprietary format? Forced upgrades every year? Constant
> nagging to purchase additional features and services that you don't want
> or need? Essentially being shut down if you ever forget your password?
> Incompatibility with other software or even previous versions of the same
> software?
>
> No, thank you.
This one is pretty topical:
<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/13/BUG2DC78FN1.DTL>
<quote>
But if you're one of the millions who this year have used the electronic
services of Intuit's TurboTax or H&R Block, you may not know that a
stealthy technology commonly known as Web bugs was used to track your
comings and goings on the Internet.
...
But privacy advocates and industry insiders say the technology hinges on the
honor system. If a company wanted to, they say, it could easily record or
misuse any information provided by consumers.
"We could capture your name, your Social Security number or any other
information that you willingly pass to a Web site," acknowledged Matt
Belkin, who serves as vice president of best practices for Utah marketing
giant Omniture, which tracks the online activities of people using Intuit's
TurboTax.
<end quote>
Nice they are so ethical in their use of this information. What happens if
they get "hacked"?
What happens if the temptation to make more money out of tracking users
movements from site to site through the network of over 400 companies that
use their services, by selling that data, overcomes their ethics?
What happens if they have a change of management, who have a different
policy, and think they won't get caught?
What if their customers (the 400+ companies, not the Intuit or H&R Block
users) decide they want this tracking data?
YMMV, they can say "trust us" all they like. But personally I'm not willing
to trust my privacy, identity, and financial security to any company that
is not openly accountable.
>
>> I'm sorry but you can wail and flai your arms all you like but Linux
>> just does not cut the mustard in what is, unfortunately, a Windows
>> world.
>
> It *was* a Windows world. This is slowly but surely changing. It's
> changing because people are starting to realize that they do have viable
> alternatives that work and work well.
>
> Linux - Secure, Stable, Open, Better.
Agreed. With Linux I can do everything I want to do with a computer, except
keeping up the skills that facilitate fixing other peoples broken Windows
boxes.
Well, actually I can do a little of that too, Knoppix is often handy.
--
Regards,
Jim