Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (etch) released
nick
Roy Schestowitz
> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
Demo (putting Tiger and Vista to shame):
Kier
If Compiz and Beryl do re-merge, there's going to be some *really* cool
stuff coming down the highway before long. When you think how young
the beryl and compiz technologies are, yet they're already capable of
something like this. And with only a handful of developers working on them.
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Roy Schestowitz
Now it'll be two hands. :-)
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Kier
> __/ [ Kier ] on Sunday 08 April 2007 16:25 \__
>
>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:47:18 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> __/ [ nick ] on Sunday 08 April 2007 14:51 \__
>>>
>>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>>
>>> Demo (putting Tiger and Vista to shame):
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=684OLRsTrrs
>>
>> If Compiz and Beryl do re-merge, there's going to be some *really* cool
>> stuff coming down the highway before long. When you think how young
>> the beryl and compiz technologies are, yet they're already capable of
>> something like this. And with only a handful of developers working on them.
>
> Now it'll be two hands. :-)
Well, they say many hands make light work!
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[H]omer
> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
Here's some interesting comparisons between Debian Etch and Vista:
Project Life-cycle:
. Debian - 1.75 years (Etch)
. Vista - 5.50 years
Supported Architectures:
. Debian - Sparc, Alpha, PowerPC, i386, ia64, PA-RISC, MIPS, ARM, IBM
S/390, AMD64 and Intel EM64T. (Older custom versions for the
Motorola MC68K series)
. Vista - Technically ... none, since it doesn't really work.
Available Desktop Environments / Window Managers:
. Debian - 3D-Desktop, 4dwm, 5Dwm, 9wm, aewm, AfterStep, amiwm,
Blackbox, Compiz/Beryl, CTWM, dwm, EDE (Equinox),
Enlightenment, EvilPoison, evilwm, Fluxbox, foXdesktop,
FVWM, FVWM95, FVWM-Crystal, Gnome, hackedbox, HaZe, IceWM,
Ion, JD4X (Java Desktop), JWM, Kahakai, KDE, KWin, Larswm,
Luminocity, LWM, Matchbox, Metacity, Metisse, MWM (Motif),
OLWM/OLVWM, Openbox, Orion, Oroborus, PekWM, PLWM, PWM,
Qvwm, ratpoison, ROX, Sawfish, Scwm, Stumpwm, swm, The GREAT
Desktop, TrsWM, twm, UDE, uwm, Waimea, WindowLab, Window
Maker, wm2, WMI, wmii, XD640, XFCE, Xfwm, XPde, XPwm, XWEM
. Vista - Aero
Price:
. Debian - £0.00
. Vista - £187.48 (Home Premium - a.k.a. The "real" version) [Amazon]
License:
. Debian - Mainly GPL/LGPL. Full sources available at no cost.
. Vista - Proprietary. SDKs only. (Limited Sources available to select
partners and government agencies).
Role/Deployment:
. Debian - Server, Desktop, Media Centre, Office, Cluster /
Supercomputing, Any Purpose.
. Vista - Experimental Desktop, Toy, Practical Joke.
Summary:
. Debian - "Support for Debian is among the most complete you can find
in the open source world. Debian is traditionally a
distribution of developers that connect with each other and
with users via email or IRC. Developers respond to bug
reports promptly. Several mailing lists in all supported
languages have high traffic and people that like to help.
If you're in a hurry, you can join the #debian IRC channel
on the freenode network. You can even pay for support if
you want to; debian.org has a list of companies that will
take your money and answer your questions.
Debian is the most truly community-driven distribution,
proud of its GNU name. It supports lots of platforms, and
its software quality assurance is excellent. Security flaws
are fixed in the Etch repositories quickly. With mirrors
all around the world, installation of new packages is
quick. Even if any single Linux company disappears, Debian
will remain intact -- as my desktop OS."
- http://tinyurl.com/yqg3cq (newsforge.com)
. Vista - "I found [Vista] to be a dangerously unstable operating
system, which has caused me to lose data ... unfortunately
this product is unfit for any user.
- http://tinyurl.com/3bpfs2 (hardocp.com)
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Linonut
> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
It makes the Microsoft offerings look sick.
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Linonut
> Verily I say unto thee, that nick spake thusly:
>
>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>
> Available Desktop Environments / Window Managers:
> . Debian - 3D-Desktop, 4dwm, 5Dwm, 9wm, aewm, AfterStep, amiwm,
> Blackbox, Compiz/Beryl, CTWM, dwm, EDE (Equinox),
> Enlightenment, EvilPoison, evilwm, Fluxbox, foXdesktop,
> FVWM, FVWM95, FVWM-Crystal, Gnome, hackedbox, HaZe, IceWM,
> Ion, JD4X (Java Desktop), JWM, Kahakai, KDE, KWin, Larswm,
> Luminocity, LWM, Matchbox, Metacity, Metisse, MWM (Motif),
> OLWM/OLVWM, Openbox, Orion, Oroborus, PekWM, PLWM, PWM,
> Qvwm, ratpoison, ROX, Sawfish, Scwm, Stumpwm, swm, The GREAT
> Desktop, TrsWM, twm, UDE, uwm, Waimea, WindowLab, Window
> Maker, wm2, WMI, wmii, XD640, XFCE, Xfwm, XPde, XPwm, XWEM
> . Vista - Aero
Lie. Vista also offers a classic interface.
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...Oh, wait a minute, he already does.
Roy Schestowitz
> After takin' a swig o' grog, [H]omer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that nick spake thusly:
>>
>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>
>> Available Desktop Environments / Window Managers:
>> . Debian - 3D-Desktop, 4dwm, 5Dwm, 9wm, aewm, AfterStep, amiwm,
>> Blackbox, Compiz/Beryl, CTWM, dwm, EDE (Equinox),
>> Enlightenment, EvilPoison, evilwm, Fluxbox, foXdesktop,
>> FVWM, FVWM95, FVWM-Crystal, Gnome, hackedbox, HaZe, IceWM,
>> Ion, JD4X (Java Desktop), JWM, Kahakai, KDE, KWin, Larswm,
>> Luminocity, LWM, Matchbox, Metacity, Metisse, MWM (Motif),
>> OLWM/OLVWM, Openbox, Orion, Oroborus, PekWM, PLWM, PWM,
>> Qvwm, ratpoison, ROX, Sawfish, Scwm, Stumpwm, swm, The GREAT
>> Desktop, TrsWM, twm, UDE, uwm, Waimea, WindowLab, Window
>> Maker, wm2, WMI, wmii, XD640, XFCE, Xfwm, XPde, XPwm, XWEM
>> . Vista - Aero
>
> Lie. Vista also offers a classic interface.
I thought that as well, but it's an excellent post from [H]omer nonetheless.
Made me laugh at times...
As a whole it makes a very compelling case and I think it should be posted to
slated.org, or somewhere else even...
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John Locke
>
Roy Schestowitz
>>Here's some interesting comparisons between Debian Etch and Vista:
>>
> Great list. Thanks.
Just linked to it in Digg and Netscape. Let's see how it goes...
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[H]omer
> After takin' a swig o' grog, [H]omer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that nick spake thusly:
>>
>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>> Available Desktop Environments / Window Managers:
>> . Debian - 3D-Desktop, 4dwm, 5Dwm, 9wm, aewm, AfterStep, amiwm,
>> Blackbox, Compiz/Beryl, CTWM, dwm, EDE (Equinox),
>> Enlightenment, EvilPoison, evilwm, Fluxbox, foXdesktop,
>> FVWM, FVWM95, FVWM-Crystal, Gnome, hackedbox, HaZe, IceWM,
>> Ion, JD4X (Java Desktop), JWM, Kahakai, KDE, KWin, Larswm,
>> Luminocity, LWM, Matchbox, Metacity, Metisse, MWM (Motif),
>> OLWM/OLVWM, Openbox, Orion, Oroborus, PekWM, PLWM, PWM,
>> Qvwm, ratpoison, ROX, Sawfish, Scwm, Stumpwm, swm, The GREAT
>> Desktop, TrsWM, twm, UDE, uwm, Waimea, WindowLab, Window
>> Maker, wm2, WMI, wmii, XD640, XFCE, Xfwm, XPde, XPwm, XWEM
>> . Vista - Aero
>
> Lie. Vista also offers a classic interface.
WooHoo! ... somebody hold me back ;)
Yes, thanks for reminding me about the interface that everyone except
"Premium" Vista users will be using.
--
K.
http://slated.org
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| I found [Vista] to be a dangerously unstable operating system,
| which has caused me to lose data ... unfortunately this product
| is unfit for any user. - [H]ardOCP, <http://tinyurl.com/3bpfs2>
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12:43:56 up 1:25, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.10
Roy Schestowitz
> Verily I say unto thee, that Linonut spake thusly:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, [H]omer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Verily I say unto thee, that nick spake thusly:
>>>
>>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>> Available Desktop Environments / Window Managers:
>>> . Debian - 3D-Desktop, 4dwm, 5Dwm, 9wm, aewm, AfterStep, amiwm,
>>> Blackbox, Compiz/Beryl, CTWM, dwm, EDE (Equinox),
>>> Enlightenment, EvilPoison, evilwm, Fluxbox, foXdesktop,
>>> FVWM, FVWM95, FVWM-Crystal, Gnome, hackedbox, HaZe, IceWM,
>>> Ion, JD4X (Java Desktop), JWM, Kahakai, KDE, KWin, Larswm,
>>> Luminocity, LWM, Matchbox, Metacity, Metisse, MWM (Motif),
>>> OLWM/OLVWM, Openbox, Orion, Oroborus, PekWM, PLWM, PWM,
>>> Qvwm, ratpoison, ROX, Sawfish, Scwm, Stumpwm, swm, The GREAT
>>> Desktop, TrsWM, twm, UDE, uwm, Waimea, WindowLab, Window
>>> Maker, wm2, WMI, wmii, XD640, XFCE, Xfwm, XPde, XPwm, XWEM
>>> . Vista - Aero
>>
>> Lie. Vista also offers a classic interface.
>
> WooHoo! ... somebody hold me back ;)
>
> Yes, thanks for reminding me about the interface that everyone except
> "Premium" Vista users will be using.
Join the flamewar with the usual suspects (Microsoft's shills in Digg).
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Comparison_Between_Debian_GNU_Linux_Etch_and_Windows_Vista
They'll try to bury this before it makes the front page.
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DFS
> After takin' a swig o' grog, nick belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>
> It makes the Microsoft offerings look sick.
The world yawns, as it does each time another new distro is released.
Did you see this whopper? "As always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be
upgraded quite painlessly..."
LMAO! Right... about as painless as a dentist's needle: "A Debian developer
has warned around 30 percent of users upgrading to the new version of his
project's Linux distribution would seriously disrupt their systems in the
process."
http://www.linux.org/news/2005/06/10/0008.html
DFS
> After takin' a swig o' grog, [H]omer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that nick spake thusly:
>>
>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>
>> Available Desktop Environments / Window Managers:
>> . Debian - 3D-Desktop, 4dwm, 5Dwm, 9wm, aewm, AfterStep, amiwm,
>> Blackbox, Compiz/Beryl, CTWM, dwm, EDE (Equinox),
>> Enlightenment, EvilPoison, evilwm, Fluxbox, foXdesktop,
>> FVWM, FVWM95, FVWM-Crystal, Gnome, hackedbox, HaZe,
>> IceWM, Ion, JD4X (Java Desktop), JWM, Kahakai, KDE,
>> KWin, Larswm, Luminocity, LWM, Matchbox, Metacity,
>> Metisse, MWM (Motif), OLWM/OLVWM, Openbox, Orion,
>> Oroborus, PekWM, PLWM, PWM, Qvwm, ratpoison, ROX,
>> Sawfish, Scwm, Stumpwm, swm, The GREAT Desktop, TrsWM,
>> twm, UDE, uwm, Waimea, WindowLab, Window Maker, wm2,
>> WMI, wmii, XD640, XFCE, Xfwm, XPde, XPwm, XWEM . Vista - Aero
>
> Lie. Vista also offers a classic interface.
That's all the wm's available for Debian? How barren. For $19.95, you can
use hundreds of themes on XP and Vista.
http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6109&libid=1
Rick
For $0 I can use hundreds of themes on Linux-based systems...
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William Poaster
> Verily I say unto thee, that Linonut spake thusly:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, [H]omer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Verily I say unto thee, that nick spake thusly:
>>>
>>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>> Available Desktop Environments / Window Managers:
>>> . Debian - 3D-Desktop, 4dwm, 5Dwm, 9wm, aewm, AfterStep, amiwm,
>>> Blackbox, Compiz/Beryl, CTWM, dwm, EDE (Equinox),
>>> Enlightenment, EvilPoison, evilwm, Fluxbox, foXdesktop,
>>> FVWM, FVWM95, FVWM-Crystal, Gnome, hackedbox, HaZe, IceWM,
>>> Ion, JD4X (Java Desktop), JWM, Kahakai, KDE, KWin, Larswm,
>>> Luminocity, LWM, Matchbox, Metacity, Metisse, MWM (Motif),
>>> OLWM/OLVWM, Openbox, Orion, Oroborus, PekWM, PLWM, PWM,
>>> Qvwm, ratpoison, ROX, Sawfish, Scwm, Stumpwm, swm, The
>>> GREAT Desktop, TrsWM, twm, UDE, uwm, Waimea, WindowLab,
>>> Window Maker, wm2, WMI, wmii, XD640, XFCE, Xfwm, XPde,
>>> XPwm, XWEM
>>> . Vista - Aero
>>
>> Lie. Vista also offers a classic interface.
>
> WooHoo! ... somebody hold me back ;)
>
> Yes, thanks for reminding me about the interface that everyone except
> "Premium" Vista users will be using.
Which lead to this: There's a woman suing M$ over it's misleading labels
on new PCs.
Apparently M$ "Fista Capable" labels are being put on put on machines
which are capable of running Fista Home Basic.....but NOT necessarily
the Premium edition which all the bells & whistles.
(Natch, M$ disagrees.....but what else is new.)
The lawsuit is claiming that it's *misleading* to slap a logo on
machines which *cannot* even run Flip-3D etc.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38778
I've no doubt the M$ shills, astroturfers & apologists will be along
shortly to give their take on this.
--
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*can* tell the difference between their arse
& their elbow.
They can't talk out of their elbow.
Hadron Quark
If I had a penny for every time Rick has admitted that his love of Linux
is based on the fact that it is free (as in beer) then I could afford a
copy of Vista ....
--
They are most deceived that trusteth most in themselves.
DFS
ha! So could he....
I have to wonder why Linux users refuse to pay reasonable amounts for
software they claim is great? Is it a case of being cheap? Broke? Greedy?
All 3? There's no other way to explain it.
Linonut
> Linonut wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, nick belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>
>> It makes the Microsoft offerings look sick.
>
> The world yawns, as it does each time another new distro is released.
The world ain't even payin' attention. Sux for them.
> Did you see this whopper? "As always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be
> upgraded quite painlessly..."
Sure they can. I upgrade mine almost every day.
Very painless.
> LMAO! Right... about as painless as a dentist's needle: "A Debian developer
> has warned around 30 percent of users upgrading to the new version of his
> project's Linux distribution would seriously disrupt their systems in the
> process."
> http://www.linux.org/news/2005/06/10/0008.html
Except, you're quoting a single incident for a single particular version
upgrade.
While a million other upgrades go just fine.
Besides, when's the last time Microsoft got an update right the first
time?
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It smells like... freedom.
Linonut
You dumbass. You're confusing themes with Window managers.
Linonut
> I have to wonder why Linux users refuse to pay reasonable amounts for
> software they claim is great? Is it a case of being cheap? Broke? Greedy?
> All 3? There's no other way to explain it.
Except the obvious one -- the software is /offered/ for free.
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[H]omer
>>>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
Plus ... a WM/DE is *not* a theme. If it were, then that's like DooFuS
claiming that Aero is just a "theme".
Go DooFuS!
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K.
http://slated.org
.----
| I found [Vista] to be a dangerously unstable operating system,
| which has caused me to lose data ... unfortunately this product
| is unfit for any user. - [H]ardOCP, <http://tinyurl.com/3bpfs2>
`----
Fedora Core release 5 (Bordeaux) on sky, running kernel 2.6.20-1.2307.fc5
16:47:07 up 5:28, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.07, 0.02
John Bailo
> I have to wonder why Linux users refuse to pay reasonable amounts for
> software they claim is great? Is it a case of being cheap? Broke? Greedy?
> All 3? There's no other way to explain it.
I just finished watching Woody Allen's "Melinda and Melinda" (2005) with
Will Farrell.
Do you know if Chloe Sevigny has a sister?
DFS
> After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, [H]omer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Verily I say unto thee, that nick spake thusly:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>>>
>>>> Available Desktop Environments / Window Managers:
>>>> . Debian - 3D-Desktop, 4dwm, 5Dwm, 9wm, aewm, AfterStep, amiwm,
>>>> Blackbox, Compiz/Beryl, CTWM, dwm, EDE (Equinox),
>>>> Enlightenment, EvilPoison, evilwm, Fluxbox, foXdesktop,
>>>> FVWM, FVWM95, FVWM-Crystal, Gnome, hackedbox, HaZe,
>>>> IceWM, Ion, JD4X (Java Desktop), JWM, Kahakai, KDE,
>>>> KWin, Larswm, Luminocity, LWM, Matchbox, Metacity,
>>>> Metisse, MWM (Motif), OLWM/OLVWM, Openbox, Orion,
>>>> Oroborus, PekWM, PLWM, PWM, Qvwm, ratpoison, ROX,
>>>> Sawfish, Scwm, Stumpwm, swm, The GREAT Desktop, TrsWM,
>>>> twm, UDE, uwm, Waimea, WindowLab, Window Maker, wm2,
>>>> WMI, wmii, XD640, XFCE, Xfwm, XPde, XPwm, XWEM . Vista - Aero
>>>
>>> Lie. Vista also offers a classic interface.
>>
>> That's all the wm's available for Debian? How barren. For $19.95,
>> you can use hundreds of themes on XP and Vista.
>> http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6109&libid=1
>
> You dumbass. You're confusing themes with Window managers.
Asshole. Notice how I specified "themes"?
DFS
> After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> I have to wonder why Linux users refuse to pay reasonable amounts for
>> software they claim is great? Is it a case of being cheap? Broke?
>> Greedy? All 3? There's no other way to explain it.
>
> Except the obvious one -- the software is /offered/ for free.
But then the developers and distro vendors turn around and solicit for
money? What's that about?
And it's still freeloading for Linux to take advantage of them like that.
John Bailo
> But then the developers and distro vendors turn around and solicit for
> money? What's that about?
You mean you don't charge for those crappy Access databases you sold to
Jet Blue?
[H]omer
> After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>> Linonut wrote:
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, nick belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>> It makes the Microsoft offerings look sick.
>> The world yawns, as it does each time another new distro is released.
No doubt the world of DooFuS yawns ... both of you. At least your wife
has a good reason.
> The world ain't even payin' attention. Sux for them.
>
>> Did you see this whopper? "As always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be
>> upgraded quite painlessly..."
>
> Sure they can. I upgrade mine almost every day.
>
> Very painless.
>
>> LMAO! Right... about as painless as a dentist's needle: "A Debian developer
>> has warned around 30 percent of users upgrading to the new version of his
>> project's Linux distribution would seriously disrupt their systems in the
>> process."
>> http://www.linux.org/news/2005/06/10/0008.html
>
> Except, you're quoting a single incident for a single particular version
> upgrade.
>
> While a million other upgrades go just fine.
Unlike the poor sods that have to patch Windows. The recent farce
involving something as "complex" as animated cursors is a prime example.
And that's just a damn *patch*, not a whole system upgrade (I know of
very few cases where that ever goes well ... certainly not on Windows).
> Besides, when's the last time Microsoft got an update right the first
> time?
The day after never.
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| I found [Vista] to be a dangerously unstable operating system,
| which has caused me to lose data ... unfortunately this product
| is unfit for any user. - [H]ardOCP, <http://tinyurl.com/3bpfs2>
`----
Fedora Core release 5 (Bordeaux) on sky, running kernel 2.6.20-1.2307.fc5
17:35:08 up 6:16, 2 users, load average: 0.11, 0.15, 0.20
DFS
> After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, nick belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>>
>>> It makes the Microsoft offerings look sick.
>>
>> The world yawns, as it does each time another new distro is released.
>
> The world ain't even payin' attention.
Yeah - why is that?
> Sux for them.
It would, if Linux/OSS had a set of apps competitive with those in the
commercial world.
>> Did you see this whopper? "As always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be
>> upgraded quite painlessly..."
>
> Sure they can. I upgrade mine almost every day.
ROFL! Can't be 5 minutes behind the next nut, eh?
> Very painless.
>
>> LMAO! Right... about as painless as a dentist's needle: "A Debian
>> developer has warned around 30 percent of users upgrading to the new
>> version of his project's Linux distribution would seriously disrupt
>> their systems in the process."
>> http://www.linux.org/news/2005/06/10/0008.html
>
> Except, you're quoting a single incident for a single particular
> version upgrade.
There have only been 2 Debian version upgrades in the last 4 or 5 years. A
huge failure rate doesn't hack it.
> While a million other upgrades go just fine.
>
> Besides, when's the last time Microsoft got an update right the first
> time?
What does MS have to do with Debian upgrade failures?
Rick
Look, asswipe liar, I didn't claim I used Linux because I can get it for
free. I have never claimed that. In fact, I have purchased the
majority of distros I have used in stores.
In THIS INSTANCE I pointed out that the thing this person can do for
$19.95, I can do for $0.
--
Rick
Rick
There is a way to explain it, dumb ass.. that great software is available
for $0... However, I have purchased the majority of the distros I have
used in stores.
--
Rick
Rick
> Linonut wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> I have to wonder why Linux users refuse to pay reasonable amounts for
>>> software they claim is great? Is it a case of being cheap? Broke?
>>> Greedy? All 3? There's no other way to explain it.
>>
>> Except the obvious one -- the software is /offered/ for free.
>
> But then the developers and distro vendors turn around and solicit for
> money? What's that about?
They ask for donations. So what?
>
> And it's still freeloading for Linux to take advantage of them like that.
You are a liar.
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Hadron Quark
Guilty as charged - the language and aggressive retaliation are
indicative of you being a tightassed cheapskate. I bet a penny to a
pound you never donated so much as a turkey twizzler to the Linux
developers.
> free. I have never claimed that. In fact, I have purchased the
> majority of distros I have used in stores.
Sure you have. Which "majority of distros" would these be that you
"purchased" in stores?
> In THIS INSTANCE I pointed out that the thing this person can do for
> $19.95, I can do for $0.
Why? What you do for 0 on Linux is of no concern to someone who uses
Windows. So you were just crowing that "cheap or free" is an advantage.
nick
> Linonut wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, nick belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>> It makes the Microsoft offerings look sick.
>
> The world yawns, as it does each time another new distro is released.
New distro? The Debian project was started in 1993.
>
> Did you see this whopper? "As always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be
> upgraded quite painlessly..."
>
> LMAO! Right... about as painless as a dentist's needle: "A Debian developer
> has warned around 30 percent of users upgrading to the new version of his
> project's Linux distribution would seriously disrupt their systems in the
> process."
> http://www.linux.org/news/2005/06/10/0008.html
>
>
From one of the comments:
"This is a horribly biased commentary. This problematic upgrade is for
users that are not using stable releases. The last released version is
an stable one, and those updating from the old stable to the new one
won't have any problem. Others are just seeing how the testing takes
place...
The sad part is that reading this headline you could conclude that
Debian ships broken releases. Which is totally wrong."
Geico Caveman
>>
>> That's all the wm's available for Debian? How barren. For $19.95, you
>> can use hundreds of themes on XP and Vista.
>> http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6109&libid=1
>
> You dumbass. You're confusing themes with Window managers.
>
You expect a windows addled idiot to know the difference ?
Rick
Yeah.. you compared themes to window managers.
as in "That's all the wm's available for Debian? How barren. For $19.95,
you can use hundreds of themes on XP and Vista."
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>> Look, ass wipe liar, I didn't claim I used Linux because I can get it
>> for
>
> Guilty as charged
Yes, you are guilty of being a lying ass wipe.
> - the language and aggressive retaliation are indicative
> of you being a tightassed cheapskate. I bet a penny to a pound you never
> donated so much as a turkey twizzler to the Linux developers.
>
>
>> free. I have never claimed that. In fact, I have purchased the majority
>> of distros I have used in stores.
>
> Sure you have. Which "majority of distros" would these be that you
> "purchased" in stores?
Linux PPC, Yellow Dog Linux, Mandrake (6,7,8, 8.2), Red Hat 9 and I paid
for a few versions of Suse.
>
>> In THIS INSTANCE I pointed out that the thing this person can do for
>> $19.95, I can do for $0.
>
> Why? What you do for 0 on Linux is of no concern to someone who uses
> Windows.
It is when someone is stating it costs them $19 to do something I can do
for $0.
> So you were just crowing that "cheap or free" is an advantage.
No shit sherlock. Being able to do something for less or for $0 generally
is an advantage, It is NOT however the sole reason I use Linux based
systems.
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Kier
Themes are not windowmangers/desktop environments.
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DFS
There's no evidence anywhere I could find that the breakage was limited to
testing or
unstable. The discussion on slashdot confirms it happened on stable to
stable.
DFS
I know - that's why I said "themes".
Kier
Comparing one to the other, when there is no comparison. And there are
hundreds of themes available for Linux. So, did you have any point to
make, besides the one you were grinding on top of your head?
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<nospam@dfs_.com>
wrote
on Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:35:51 -0500
<0bsSh.1942$qB4....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>:
> Linonut wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, [H]omer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Verily I say unto thee, that nick spake thusly:
>>>
>>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>>
>>> Available Desktop Environments / Window Managers:
>>> . Debian - 3D-Desktop, 4dwm, 5Dwm, 9wm, aewm, AfterStep, amiwm,
>>> Blackbox, Compiz/Beryl, CTWM, dwm, EDE (Equinox),
>>> Enlightenment, EvilPoison, evilwm, Fluxbox, foXdesktop,
>>> FVWM, FVWM95, FVWM-Crystal, Gnome, hackedbox, HaZe,
>>> IceWM, Ion, JD4X (Java Desktop), JWM, Kahakai, KDE,
>>> KWin, Larswm, Luminocity, LWM, Matchbox, Metacity,
>>> Metisse, MWM (Motif), OLWM/OLVWM, Openbox, Orion,
>>> Oroborus, PekWM, PLWM, PWM, Qvwm, ratpoison, ROX,
>>> Sawfish, Scwm, Stumpwm, swm, The GREAT Desktop, TrsWM,
>>> twm, UDE, uwm, Waimea, WindowLab, Window Maker, wm2,
>>> WMI, wmii, XD640, XFCE, Xfwm, XPde, XPwm, XWEM . Vista - Aero
>>
>> Lie. Vista also offers a classic interface.
>
> That's all the wm's available for Debian? How barren. For $19.95, you can
> use hundreds of themes on XP and Vista.
> http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6109&libid=1
>
Hm. Does this include the MSRP for Vista proper? Oh, wait, that's
right, it's preinstalled on one's machine, therefore free.
(Unless one buys a 64-bit machine.)
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Linonut
> It would, if Linux/OSS had a set of apps competitive with those in the
> commercial world.
It has just about nothing to do with apps.
>>> Did you see this whopper? "As always, Debian GNU/Linux systems can be
>>> upgraded quite painlessly..."
>>
>> Sure they can. I upgrade mine almost every day.
>
> ROFL! Can't be 5 minutes behind the next nut, eh?
Huh? I do upgrades whenever it comes to mind to do so, now. Why? For
one, it is easy: start up aptitude, hit u, wait for the new lists to be
downloaded, hit U to mark 'em for installation, then g to go.
For two, I've found it's better in general to keep up to date with
Debian (and Gentoo). Plus a little easy to recover if something should
get bollixed.
> There have only been 2 Debian version upgrades in the last 4 or 5 years. A
> huge failure rate doesn't hack it.
You're simply ignorant, friend DFS. You know what a Debian version
upgrade is? An official checkpoint in a continuous process of
upgrading.
>> Besides, when's the last time Microsoft got an update right the first
>> time?
>
> What does MS have to do with Debian upgrade failures?
Nothing. And that's too bad, because Microsoft could learn a lot from
Debian.
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Linonut
Jerk. Linux/FreeBSD has large numbers of themes for no cost. And that
includes the Debian that you call "barren" above.
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Linonut
I dunno. He's flailing around a lot more lately.
I shouldn't have called him a dumbass, though.
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Linonut
> Linonut wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> I have to wonder why Linux users refuse to pay reasonable amounts for
>>> software they claim is great? Is it a case of being cheap? Broke?
>>> Greedy? All 3? There's no other way to explain it.
>>
>> Except the obvious one -- the software is /offered/ for free.
>
> But then the developers and distro vendors turn around and solicit for
> money? What's that about?
It's called "passing the hat".
> And it's still freeloading for Linux to take advantage of them like that.
They can quit anytime they like.
Damn, random sig not so random!
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"free" as in "free speech".
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spi...@freenet.co.uk
> After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>> I have to wonder why Linux users refuse to pay reasonable amounts for
>> software they claim is great? Is it a case of being cheap? Broke? Greedy?
>> All 3? There's no other way to explain it.
> Except the obvious one -- the software is /offered/ for free.
By eck, he's getting desperate...
He hasn't used this argument since it was bashed out of him with a clue
stick 3 years ago. And looky here, it's back, again!
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spi...@freenet.co.uk
>> Asshole. Notice how I specified "themes"?
> Yeah.. you compared themes to window managers.
> as in "That's all the wm's available for Debian? How barren. For $19.95,
> you can use hundreds of themes on XP and Vista."
Indeed. It's like saying "You only have 50 window managers? My, my, how
limited, I have 15000 wallpapers available at the click of a mouse".
spi...@freenet.co.uk
chrisv
>
>> I have to wonder why
...all the Wintrolls in here are such lying pieces of shit.
chrisv
>>> I have to wonder why Linux users refuse to pay reasonable amounts for
>>> software they claim is great? Is it a case of being cheap? Broke? Greedy?
>>> All 3? There's no other way to explain it.
>
>> Except the obvious one -- the software is /offered/ for free.
>
>By eck, he's getting desperate...
>He hasn't used this argument since it was bashed out of him with a clue
>stick 3 years ago. And looky here, it's back, again!
You kidding? I have the POS kill-filed and I still see the above LIE,
with slightly different phrasing, used over and over.
Why everyone has not kill-filed the vile, worthless, asshole, I do not
know.
Roy Schestowitz
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:47:22 +0100, [H]omer wrote:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Linonut spake thusly:
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, [H]omer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Verily I say unto thee, that nick spake thusly:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408
>>>> Available Desktop Environments / Window Managers:
>>>> . Debian - 3D-Desktop, 4dwm, 5Dwm, 9wm, aewm, AfterStep, amiwm,
>>>> Blackbox, Compiz/Beryl, CTWM, dwm, EDE (Equinox),
>>>> Enlightenment, EvilPoison, evilwm, Fluxbox, foXdesktop,
>>>> FVWM, FVWM95, FVWM-Crystal, Gnome, hackedbox, HaZe, IceWM,
>>>> Ion, JD4X (Java Desktop), JWM, Kahakai, KDE, KWin, Larswm,
>>>> Luminocity, LWM, Matchbox, Metacity, Metisse, MWM (Motif),
>>>> OLWM/OLVWM, Openbox, Orion, Oroborus, PekWM, PLWM, PWM,
>>>> Qvwm, ratpoison, ROX, Sawfish, Scwm, Stumpwm, swm, The
>>>> GREAT Desktop, TrsWM, twm, UDE, uwm, Waimea, WindowLab,
>>>> Window Maker, wm2, WMI, wmii, XD640, XFCE, Xfwm, XPde,
>>>> XPwm, XWEM
>>>> . Vista - Aero
>>>
>>> Lie. Vista also offers a classic interface.
>>
>> WooHoo! ... somebody hold me back ;)
>>
>> Yes, thanks for reminding me about the interface that everyone except
>> "Premium" Vista users will be using.
>
> Which lead to this: There's a woman suing M$ over it's misleading labels
> on new PCs.
>
> Apparently M$ "Fista Capable" labels are being put on put on machines
> which are capable of running Fista Home Basic.....but NOT necessarily
> the Premium edition which all the bells & whistles.
> (Natch, M$ disagrees.....but what else is new.)
>
> The lawsuit is claiming that it's *misleading* to slap a logo on
> machines which *cannot* even run Flip-3D etc.
> http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38778
>
>
> I've no doubt the M$ shills, astroturfers & apologists will be along
> shortly to give their take on this.
Update: Microsoft says it has not changed the definition, as opposed to some
reports. I think they try to avoid losing this class-action suit. If they
change the wording, then it means they have /already/ deceived some people
(which they /have/, of course.
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I'm not sure, you know, whether they will. Whilst the skills are
certainly out in numbers at the moment, and our very own Erik
Funkenbusch is back, spinning wildly as ever, they seem to lack further
credibility each time. It must be increasingly hard trying to find
anything other than a straight flame these days.
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Mark Kent
It would clean up this group no end were such trolls to be ignored.
Perhaps we should have another stab at the Faq, with such questions
addressed properly, and posted weekly again. The FAQ idea was a good
one. It also quite correctly states that DFS shouldn't be here anyway.
Linonut
> You kidding? I have the POS kill-filed and I still see the above LIE,
> with slightly different phrasing, used over and over.
>
> Why everyone has not kill-filed the vile, worthless, asshole, I do not
> know.
It builds character.
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they need to exert absolute control, ruthless suppression of anything
remotely resembling competition, an army of astroturfers, and a
well-oiled propaganda machine. -- Richard Rasker, 4 Oct 2006.
Roy Schestowitz
Enderle has just taken another attack on Linux, implying the death threats
issued to a blogger are sometimes related or reminiscent of 'Linux zealots'.
But wait! He published the stuff as a press release as well, which means
that someone is paying good money to get that stuff wider exposure. See my
recent item about Groklaw's analysis of shills... O'Gara, Loyns... Enderle
and Didio seem to fit another group... and I see many others in different
Web sites, but they are not always high-status names. Many of them are
anonymous. Only a fool would think it's innocent and ordinary.
Outside this NG, there are some more intersting things going on, but I can't
quite discuss them in public. As I said before, Microsoft and its ilk are
willing to play hardball, just as they did in the OS/2 days. Never trust
vicious monsters like Ballmer and his gang.
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[H]omer
> Outside this NG, there are some more intersting things going on, but I can't
> quite discuss them in public. As I said before, Microsoft and its ilk are
> willing to play hardball, just as they did in the OS/2 days. Never trust
> vicious monsters like Ballmer and his gang.
Oh there's no question that there's a coordinated attack in progress,
and we all know who's in the front line. I hope those involved are
satisfied with their 30 pieces of silver, because when the battle's
over, and they've retreated back under their rocks, they'll need it to
buy new friends, 'cos nobody else will want to know them. Their damaged
reputations will follow them to the grave ... and beyond.
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Roy Schestowitz
> chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> espoused:
>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>>>> I have to wonder why Linux users refuse to pay reasonable amounts for
>>>>> software they claim is great? Is it a case of being cheap? Broke?
>>>>> Greedy?
>>>>> All 3? There's no other way to explain it.
>>>
>>>> Except the obvious one -- the software is /offered/ for free.
>>>
>>>By eck, he's getting desperate...
>>>He hasn't used this argument since it was bashed out of him with a clue
>>>stick 3 years ago. And looky here, it's back, again!
>>
>> You kidding? I have the POS kill-filed and I still see the above LIE,
>> with slightly different phrasing, used over and over.
>>
>> Why everyone has not kill-filed the vile, worthless, asshole, I do not
>> know.
>>
>
> It would clean up this group no end were such trolls to be ignored.
> Perhaps we should have another stab at the Faq, with such questions
> addressed properly, and posted weekly again. The FAQ idea was a good
> one. It also quite correctly states that DFS shouldn't be here anyway.
I think someone should post it on a weekly basis again. HPT has been busy
recently...
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> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>
>> Outside this NG, there are some more intersting things going on, but I can't
>> quite discuss them in public. As I said before, Microsoft and its ilk are
>> willing to play hardball, just as they did in the OS/2 days. Never trust
>> vicious monsters like Ballmer and his gang.
>
> Oh there's no question that there's a coordinated attack in progress,
> and we all know who's in the front line. I hope those involved are
> satisfied with their 30 pieces of silver, because when the battle's
> over, and they've retreated back under their rocks, they'll need it to
> buy new friends, 'cos nobody else will want to know them. Their damaged
> reputations will follow them to the grave ... and beyond.
>
The term "collaborator" springs to mind.
Mark Kent
> __/ [ Mark Kent ] on Wednesday 11 April 2007 12:19 \__
>
>> chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> espoused:
>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I have to wonder why Linux users refuse to pay reasonable amounts for
>>>>>> software they claim is great? Is it a case of being cheap? Broke?
>>>>>> Greedy?
>>>>>> All 3? There's no other way to explain it.
>>>>
>>>>> Except the obvious one -- the software is /offered/ for free.
>>>>
>>>>By eck, he's getting desperate...
>>>>He hasn't used this argument since it was bashed out of him with a clue
>>>>stick 3 years ago. And looky here, it's back, again!
>>>
>>> You kidding? I have the POS kill-filed and I still see the above LIE,
>>> with slightly different phrasing, used over and over.
>>>
>>> Why everyone has not kill-filed the vile, worthless, asshole, I do not
>>> know.
>>>
>>
>> It would clean up this group no end were such trolls to be ignored.
>> Perhaps we should have another stab at the Faq, with such questions
>> addressed properly, and posted weekly again. The FAQ idea was a good
>> one. It also quite correctly states that DFS shouldn't be here anyway.
>
> I think someone should post it on a weekly basis again. HPT has been busy
> recently...
>
I was thinking in terms of updating it, too, to handle some of the more
recent issues. It could include some remarks around owned consultants,
bloggers, astroturfers and so on, too, as well as how media-bias is
achieved.
Roy Schestowitz
> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>
>> Outside this NG, there are some more intersting things going on, but I
>> can't quite discuss them in public. As I said before, Microsoft and its
>> ilk are willing to play hardball, just as they did in the OS/2 days. Never
>> trust vicious monsters like Ballmer and his gang.
>
> Oh there's no question that there's a coordinated attack in progress,
> and we all know who's in the front line. I hope those involved are
> satisfied with their 30 pieces of silver, because when the battle's
> over, and they've retreated back under their rocks, they'll need it to
> buy new friends, 'cos nobody else will want to know them. Their damaged
> reputations will follow them to the grave ... and beyond.
I was hoping to see them in a jail cell actually. There's too much lenience
when it comes to rogue business practices. And this only encourages more of
it, which puts us where we are today.
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