Working with all three platforms ...
Alex
This is just a general collection of thoughts I thought I'd share.
I've been a computer enthusiast all my life, and I've worked with about
every popular platform from the TRS-80s and Commodores of days past,
MS-DOS, Unix, Linux, Mac, Windows, you name it. Over the years I've
most definitely had my advocacies of which OS I prefer, but now that I
use all three platforms every day I thought I'd post some general
comments on my experiences and thoughts.
Just some background... I moved from my Tandy TRS-80 Color Computer 3
(which I used for a number of years) to the Microsoft world around 1990
when I bought my first 8088 XT running MS-DOS 3.3, and from there I
evolved up the MS-DOS ladder then to Windows around 1992 with Windows
3.0 and on. In college during the late 90's I was introduced to Unix
then Linux, and I fell in love with the power of Bash and other shells.
After working with Unix and Linux for a number of years in college,
around 1999 I moved all my personal computers to Linux leaving Windows
only to be used at work. I had zero regrets, and Linux worked
perfectly for 100% of my needs. At work however, managing several MS
SQL databases, using Crystal Reports, and running many Windows-only
apps, Windows was my only option.
My use of Linux at home continued for about 5 years until I bought a
used PowerMac G4 from a friend, and my love for OSX began. I used Macs
in high school during the 80's and early 90's, but I never cared much
for them since my thinking was a powerful command line meant a powerful
OS. Mac's Pre-OSX didn't have this, so I never gave them a second look
until OSX with Unix at its core. In 2004 at home I moved all my day to
day stuff to OSX while still running my file server, web server, and
other server-apps on Linux. At work however I continued to use Windows
for everything, though I keep a Linux box on hand for automated
scripts. I'm still much better at writing complex scripts in Shell
Script then whatever scripting languages Windows offers.
So now it's 2006, and looking back at my 20 years of working with
computers I've seen my life interweaved in all three platforms. I've
fought on the Advocacy fronts of all three at some point, but in hind
sight I see how each platform has its power and weaknesses. I love the
flexibility of Linux, the look and feel plus the ease of use of OSX,
and the application base of Windows. For me I wish I could cherry pick
the features of all three platforms to form that perfect OS, but
that'll never be possible.
As of right now if I had to pick only one OS to use leaving the other
two behind, it'd be Mac OSX hands down, but ask me this again in 6
months to a year and I might answer differently. I think folks needs
to pick the OS that fits their needs, and at this point OSX does this
for me... but as I said, give me time and this might change as my
needs change.
Take care, and thanks for your time ...
Sam
Snit
1141918519.3...@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com on 3/9/06 8:35 AM:
> Hi All,
>
> This is just a general collection of thoughts I thought I'd share.
> I've been a computer enthusiast all my life, and I've worked with about
> every popular platform from the TRS-80s and Commodores of days past,
> MS-DOS, Unix, Linux, Mac, Windows, you name it. Over the years I've
> most definitely had my advocacies of which OS I prefer, but now that I
> use all three platforms every day I thought I'd post some general
> comments on my experiences and thoughts.
<SNIP CONTENT="very reasonable comments" REASON="length" />
> So now it's 2006, and looking back at my 20 years of working with
> computers I've seen my life interweaved in all three platforms. I've
> fought on the Advocacy fronts of all three at some point, but in hind
> sight I see how each platform has its power and weaknesses. I love the
> flexibility of Linux, the look and feel plus the ease of use of OSX,
> and the application base of Windows. For me I wish I could cherry pick
> the features of all three platforms to form that perfect OS, but
> that'll never be possible.
What you say makes a great deal of sense and is very close to my own views.
I use OS X and XP on a daily basis (ok, some days I do not use XP, but most)
and tinker with Linux from time to time. You mention ease of use with OS X:
can you expand on what you mean by that with specific examples? I have been
having a similar conversation with several people in COLA and all they can
do, for the most part, is look at one hand picked example of a task best
handled by a CLI and then claim that since that one task is no easier in OS
X then the claim of OS Xs ease of use must be bogus. Their argument is, of
course, silly at best.
>
> As of right now if I had to pick only one OS to use leaving the other
> two behind, it'd be Mac OSX hands down, but ask me this again in 6
> months to a year and I might answer differently. I think folks needs
> to pick the OS that fits their needs, and at this point OSX does this
> for me... but as I said, give me time and this might change as my
> needs change.
Ditto here; though I will *likely* stick with OS X for the foreseeable
future.
>
> Take care, and thanks for your time ...
Thank you.
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Sam?!?! Isn't your name "Alex"?
> X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1;
> en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060111
Will give the benefit of the doubt and assume you post from work. Still
smells somewhat fishy.
Best wishes nonetheless! You made many valid points.
philo
"Alex" <sam...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1141918519.3...@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> Hi All,
>
> This is just a general collection of thoughts I thought I'd share.
> I've been a computer enthusiast all my life, and I've worked with about
> every popular platform from the TRS-80s and Commodores of days past,
> MS-DOS, Unix, Linux, Mac, Windows, you name it. Over the years I've
> most definitely had my advocacies of which OS I prefer, but now that I
> use all three platforms every day I thought I'd post some general
> comments on my experiences and thoughts.
<snip>
Though I did work with FORTRAN a bit back in the 60's
I totally got out of computers until about 1999 when I started with win95...
then went backwards to try to learn everything I missed.
From win95 I went back to win3x and dos...worked with os/2 also.
then moved forward from there .
Maybe 6 months after I got into computers I decided to give Linux a try...
and after a lot of work...managed to get RH5.2 up and running.
It was not easy...but wow...did I ever learn a lot!\
I've been dual booting windows and linux ever since...
and have not given up on OS/2 as I still use ECS ocasionally
Alex
Actually it's Sam Alex, and friend call me one or the other... I
always forget which one I've setup in Google, so sorry for the
confusion :) None the less, thanks for the reply, and take care --
Sam Alex :-)
Tim Crowley
Leythos wrote:
> In article <1141918519.3...@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
> sam...@gmail.com says...
> > As of right now if I had to pick only one OS to use leaving the other
> > two behind, it'd be Mac OSX hands down, but ask me this again in 6
> > months to a year and I might answer differently. I think folks needs
> > to pick the OS that fits their needs, and at this point OSX does this
> > for me... but as I said, give me time and this might change as my
> > needs change.
>
> programming,
What the hell is the MAC?
Snit
LdZPf.16603$9I5....@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com on 3/9/06 10:03 AM:
> In article <1141918519.3...@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
> sam...@gmail.com says...
>> As of right now if I had to pick only one OS to use leaving the other
>> two behind, it'd be Mac OSX hands down, but ask me this again in 6
>> months to a year and I might answer differently. I think folks needs
>> to pick the OS that fits their needs, and at this point OSX does this
>> for me... but as I said, give me time and this might change as my
>> needs change.
>
> I think the MAC is a great solution for people that don't do
> programming,
I am not a programmer (though I have done some programming). What problems
do you have with the developer tools that Apple hands out for free?
OldCSMAer
Leythos <vo...@nowhere.lan> wrote:
> In article <1141924715.1...@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
> timmyt...@gmail.com says...
> It's a great solution for people like you :)
I can't speak to Linux, because i only dabble around a bit with Ubuntu
for PPC, but I support Macs and PCs here at work.
I don't think Windows is bad at all, as long as you don't let it near
the internet. We use the three PCs here (all are brand new Gateways)
for standalone chores and they are fine. The interface isn't as easy as
Mac (more mouse clicks to do the same thing), but they are OK. There
sure are a lot more apps for Windows (although many of them really,
really suck.)
The Macs are much safer for network duty, IMO. I have Panther Server
running as a *software* router/firewall, serving Macs and PCs (the PCs
are locked out of the internet, they only can see the server and the
printers.) No pop-ups, no adware, no virus problems, the Macs just go
out there and do the job.
OS stability. The Windows machines require a few more reboots (I
think), but I really haven't logged them. They are pretty close with XP
second edition.
Cost. I like to put more memory in PC than a comparable Mac, because
(IMO) Mac memory management beats Windows in the 512 meg-1 gig RAM area.
I have to buy more utility software for Windows for Mac, too. That
brings the cost of our PCs almost up the costs of the Mac. The Macs
last longer here (4-5 years per machine). We like to change the PCs at
the 2-3 year interval, because Windows responds so much better to a
hardware upgrade. Interesting note: I have 450 mhz Blue and White G3
tower here. It is now running Tiger. With each release of the OS,
thing actually runs FASTER than before.
--
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Old CSMAer
OldCSMAer
Leythos <vo...@nowhere.lan> wrote:
> With many system, just flattening them and reinstalling will give you
> back performance.
Very true. I reformat and restore the PCs every 6 months or as needed,
and it really prevents registry problems.
--
Arf!
Old CSMAer
Lowell
binary code in missile systems on photosensitive tape while in the
service. Where I work now I operate Win XP, OSX Panther, and a Sparc 10
Unix machine. At home I run a strictly Linux network that includes
three PCs, on Linux and one lone Amiga 2000.
The Apps available on XP and OSX are good for specific jobs. But I
really don't like either OS. I do as much of my work as possible on the
Sparc 10 and use XP and Panther only when I have to use something like
Illustrator or ArcGIS. We use Photoshop a lot at work, but I prefer
GIMP.
I prefer Linux for ease of use, flexibility and security.
Alex
I agree with your statements to a point ... Mac's don't have the
application support that Windows has (as I noted in my original post),
but for someone who works for a company or group who uses Macs, OSX has
a great development platform using XCode. The full version is
available for free, and being Obj-C has evolved without too much change
over the years, it's a great platform to program with. However it's
programming for Macs, so back again to my point -- you use the platform
that suits you. I know Microsoft has recently released some components
of Visual Studio for free, but to get the full development package to
do Visual Basic, C#, VC, etc, it's quite costly. I'm no expert
programming in Obj-C or Microsoft's languages, but I've used both
enough to know I personally do prefer Mac's programming environment
better. But as always, to each his own on this.
As for games, this is no different then some games being available on
the PS2 while others for XBox... Folks who choose Mac or Linux over
Windows go into it knowing they can't run some games. Again, choose
the system that suits your needs - if someone is a gamer and wants to
run a wide variety of games, Windows is the choice. I don't do games,
so for me this isn't a factor.
Linux has its advantages, and though I love the Penguin I still don't
think Linux is for everyone. I do think Linux is perfect for the
server, much more then Windows in most cases (web, DB, proxy/firewall,
etc), but on the desktop I'm still not sure. I love it, and I used it
for MANY years, but it's not as intuitive as OSX or Windows for most
tasks.
Windows is a good OS when it wants to be. I run Windows at work and
OSX at home and on my laptop, and much more often I'm in Windows
wishing I had some feature OSX has then vice versa. But again, to each
his own. If you've never tasted the grass on the other side of the
fence, you don't know what you're missing ... for folks who've never
used OSX for any length of time, they'd not know the little perks OSX
has.
But as I keep stating, each user needs to evaluate their needs and
choose the platform that suits them.
Thanks for the post..
Sam
Alex
Hrm, I posted some replies earlier, but it appears Google has lost
them. At any rate, my name is Sam Alex, and I often go by either one
of these names :) I sometimes forget which I've setup on which system.
Cheers :)
Sam Alex ...
Roy Schestowitz
__/ [ Alex ] added on Thursday 09 March 2006 19:47 \__
Sorry to have shown doubts. Us guys have to be careful with strangers in
such troll-riddled newsgroups. Like you, I have used all 3 platform, but I
only use Linux and Palm OS at the moment. Mac and Windows machines at the
office keep collecting dust as they have not been properly used in almost
a year. Perhaps being a programmer, as you say, makes Linux appeal to me
more than other platforms. _However_ (a big negation here), I find Linux
to be more user-friendly than some other platforms. FUD has made that very
false fact extremely difficult to wipe off. Command-line 'elitists' and
emacs zealots only help perpetuate the myth. Mac remain the icon of sim-
plicity of use. Judtifiably? No more.
To top up, I will add an arbitrary quote from a nice short essay:
,----[ Snippet ]
| "...with modern Linuxes like Xandros Desktop or SimplyMEPIS, you need
| to put in a CD or DVD, press the enter button, give your computer a name
| and enter a password for the administrator account."
`----
Source: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8124627492.html
Finally, it appears as though you have not explored Linux in depth for a
few years. I urge you to do so. Everything is plug-and-play. This wasn't
the case a couple of years ago.
Best wishes,
Roy
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> Finally, it appears as though you have not explored Linux in depth for a
> few years. I urge you to do so. Everything is plug-and-play. This wasn't
> the case a couple of years ago.
Installing on a Dell L700cx, just this week, for my cousin.
Win98SE: Install OS, then load up network card driver, then I'm able to
download the motherboard chipset driver, the video driver, and the sound
driver. Install a bunch of apps (Firefox, Thunderbird, CD burner, media
players, etc.) to make the thing moderately useful.
Ubuntu: Install OS, all hardware found and configured automatically.
All the basic apps installed and ready.
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HeyBub
> Hi All,
>
> This is just a general collection of thoughts I thought I'd share.
> I've been a computer enthusiast all my life, and I've worked with
> about every popular platform from the TRS-80s and Commodores of days
> past, MS-DOS, Unix, Linux, Mac, Windows, you name it. Over the years
> I've most definitely had my advocacies of which OS I prefer, but now
> that I use all three platforms every day I thought I'd post some
> general comments on my experiences and thoughts.
[...]
My story is similar to yours, but with a different outcome. Let me start at
the beginning:
There I was, in my mom's Fallopian tubes...
Josh McKee
"Alex" <sam...@gmail.com> wrote:
[ snip ]
> As of right now if I had to pick only one OS to use leaving the other
> two behind, it'd be Mac OSX hands down, but ask me this again in 6
> months to a year and I might answer differently. I think folks needs
> to pick the OS that fits their needs, and at this point OSX does this
> for me... but as I said, give me time and this might change as my
> needs change.
I'd choose Windows. While OS X is my top pick I use computers to run
applications. Windows offers the widest selection of software while
being reasonably trouble free.
Josh
Josh McKee
OldCSMAer <old...@kennelsINVALID.com> wrote:
Are you serious? Why waste so much time when there are tools which scan
the registry for errors and correct them?
Josh
GreyCloud
Yet you are the one that thinks that he can place XP on the network and
not get worms or viruses.
Welcome to COLA!
--
Where are we going?
And why am I in this handbasket?
Roy Schestowitz
> On 2006-03-09, Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>> Finally, it appears as though you have not explored Linux in depth for a
>> few years. I urge you to do so. Everything is plug-and-play. This wasn't
>> the case a couple of years ago.
>
> Installing on a Dell L700cx, just this week, for my cousin.
>
> Win98SE: Install OS, then load up network card driver, then I'm able to
> download the motherboard chipset driver, the video driver, and the sound
> driver. Install a bunch of apps (Firefox, Thunderbird, CD burner, media
> players, etc.) to make the thing moderately useful.
>
> Ubuntu: Install OS, all hardware found and configured automatically.
> All the basic apps installed and ready.
Ubuntu is boring as everything works with zero intervention (e.g. external
hard-drives, scanners, network etc.). No need for drivers either. Plug, then
play. Just to think Linux used to be a platform for hackers and sysadmins.
Where has all the fun gone?
Best wishes,
Roy
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BearItAll
> Hi Leythos,
>
> I agree with your statements to a point ... Mac's don't have the
> application support that Windows has (as I noted in my original post),
> but for someone who works for a company or group who uses Macs, OSX has
> a great development platform using XCode. The full version is
> available for free, and being Obj-C has evolved without too much change
> over the years, it's a great platform to program with. However it's
> programming for Macs, so back again to my point -- you use the platform
> that suits you. I know Microsoft has recently released some components
> of Visual Studio for free, but to get the full development package to
> do Visual Basic, C#, VC, etc, it's quite costly. I'm no expert
> programming in Obj-C or Microsoft's languages, but I've used both
> enough to know I personally do prefer Mac's programming environment
> better. But as always, to each his own on this.
>
I was going to go the Mac rout when I last bought a client for home, the
main reason for Mac rather than another Linux was that I was looking for a
way to regain my interest in computers. I have been in this stuff since
1979ish and had really lost interest in most of it. Which isn't good if it
is how you make your living.
Of all the systems I have used and worked on, mostly UNIX, Linux and of
cause MS, I have never sad in front of a Mac.
I had chosen a machine and had the idea of later replacing my Linux server
at home to a Mac server.
Then when I was ready to open my wallet and start buying, every Mac
disapeared from PC World (2 in reasonable distance to me). When I asked
about this in a news group I was told they were in big trouble with sales.
So I abandoned the idea.
Macs are back in PC world so it must have only been a blip in the market
place, maybe they was a new model on its way to the shelves or something.
But while I had been reading up on them, I could fully understand the
Mactypes falling in love with the beast. Put simply it seemed (on paper
anyway) to be a computer that does what a computer is meant to do.
Ok, I'm a programmer so I would have lifted the bonnet and had a poke
around, but for a non-programmers on a Mac there wouldn't be a need to do
that, they could just get on with what they want to do and forget there's
an engine at all.
Ray Ingles
> Ubuntu is boring as everything works with zero intervention (e.g. external
> hard-drives, scanners, network etc.).
Heck, Windows 98SE wouldn't even install properly on the thing until I
found the LBA option hidden in the BIOS. Totally borked the partitioning
until then. Ubuntu had no trouble, since Linux doesn't use the BIOS at
all after booting.
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put in its 2004 budget? None. The Bush team forgot about it.
Embarrassed Congressional staff members had to write in $300 million
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Josh McKee
Leythos <vo...@nowhere.lan> wrote:
> In article <jtmckee-3CFE7A...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net says...
> And they still don't properly do the job.
They work great for ordinary users.
> I wipe/reinstall my systems about every 12~18 months, and it's done for more
> than registry issues. As a network designer and a programmer with a full
> MSDN subscription, I want to rid my machine of all the remains of software
> I've installed and uninstalled. Your registry cleaner doesn't do that.
I would say that you're the exception and not the norm.
Josh
Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
I do. Here's the IP address of my XP system: 71.56.240.67. You have my
permission to try and crack it. The only thing that stand between it and
the Internet is a wireless router which has been configured to pass all
Internet traffic to the aforementioned IP address to this system. I'll
give you $100.00 if you're successful at cracking it.
Josh
Alex
computer users I support. I'm that 'friend of a friend who works with
computers', so I get calls at least 2-3 times a week with
computer-related problems. I also reinstall Windows about 2-3 times a
month for any given friend to fix whatever problems since it's often
quicker to reinstall then mess with trying to find why IE won't load or
why MS Word gives a crazy error on startup, and so forth. And those
registry fixers, though they've worked before, are maybe 10% success
rate for me.
In my experience there are many factors that can cause a computer to
quit running as it should, including running it on the open Internet
with no firewall, installing everything under the sun, downloading
warez, visiting malware sites, clicking on spam emails, viruses, virus
and spyware scanners (sometimes more harmful then the viruses and
spyware themselves), and many other factors. IMO when the problem is
software and the user doesn't have much data to backup (no more then a
few CD's worth), reinstalling is always a great option to refresh the
system. These issues aren't all isolated to Windows, but I've yet to
do a reinstall on any OS other then Windows other then an OS upgrade
(like OSX Panther to Tiger or Slackware 9 to 10). I always do clean
installs instead of version upgrades, but that's another topic :)
Granted, for someone who knows what to avoid and how to keep their box
running smooth, that's great -- but that's the exception to the average
computer user. I know folks who run Windows (firewalled) with no
virus/spyware scanners, run Firefox, don't download crap, and watch
where they surf -- and their boxes run great -- but that's the
exception.
My goal isn't to turn this thread into a 'my OS is better then your OS'
by any means, but my experience is that Windows systems used by the
average non-computer savvy user do benefit from being reinstalled a few
times a year. That's the nature of the beast.
Sam Alex
Josh McKee
"Alex" <sam...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like you need to learn a little bit more about Windows. The
friends that I help have working computers when I leave. And I don't
re-install the OS.
Josh
Alex
Here's an article that you might enjoy reading:
http://www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin/blog/2004/11/dawn_of_the_deadfresh_windows.html
No matter what you're running, having a firewall between your computer
and Internet is prudent. I question you though, how many home users
buy a computer, get broadband, and plug that computer in with zero
knowledge of what a firewall or OS Updates are? I'd say a good number
of Internet users... Even if you install Windows and start running
updates, which will take longer then 4 minute (read article above),
your computer might already be hosed before the first reboot.
There's many factors that can cause Windows or any OS to hose, but on
the mental list of things I notice that causes problems, most are
indigenous to Windows.
As for your IP address, all someone will see is your hardware router,
which means you're one up on the virus and spam folks - so cheers!
Sam
Sandman
Josh McKee <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> wrote:
Yeah, they can't wait to get you out of their house and fix the mess
you left :-D
--
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Josh McKee
"Alex" <sam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Josh,
>
> Here's an article that you might enjoy reading:
> http://www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin/blog/2004/11/dawn_of_the_deadfresh_windows.
> html
November 30, 2004. Nuff said.
> No matter what you're running, having a firewall between your computer
> and Internet is prudent. I question you though, how many home users
> buy a computer, get broadband, and plug that computer in with zero
> knowledge of what a firewall or OS Updates are? I'd say a good number
> of Internet users... Even if you install Windows and start running
> updates, which will take longer then 4 minute (read article above),
> your computer might already be hosed before the first reboot.
I again I refer you back to the date of your quoted article. As an FYI
today's date is 3/10/2006.
> There's many factors that can cause Windows or any OS to hose, but on
> the mental list of things I notice that causes problems, most are
> indigenous to Windows.
>
> As for your IP address, all someone will see is your hardware router,
> which means you're one up on the virus and spam folks - so cheers!
I repeat:
"The only thing that stand between it and the Internet is a wireless
router which has been configured to pass all Internet traffic to the
aforementioned IP address to this system."
No, they're not seeing my router. They're passing straight through it to
the Windows system.
Josh
Alex
I do setup computers for some folks and they run quite well -- but
others don't. If I sat down and analyzed each situation I'm sure I'd
find the ones that continue to run great are probably the folks who
check email, surf alittle, nothing more, while those that do need
reinstallation do indeed spend lots of time online using the Internet
to its fullest plus downloading anything that looks of interest to 'try
it out' then uninstalling it a few minutes later.
There's no way to get an accurate cross section of statistics on
Internet users, though it'd be a great article or make for some
interesting reading. I'd love to see a survey, not for technical
folks, but for the general public, ask whether they use a software
firewall, hardware router, encrypted or open wifi, how often they
update their virus scanner or if they run one at all, etc, and get
their PC specs (processor speed and memory) and a general overview of
how they think the computer is running.
One person came to me about 6 months ago saying she was about to buy a
new computer because her current one was running slow, not keeping up,
and was just outdated. I asked her how old it was, and she said two
years old. After checking out the system, it was actually a Pentium
1.8Ghz with 256 Megs of ram, which should run good. In checking out
her system she had all sorts of crap downloaded... since she had SO
much data I tried cleaning-up and uninstalling stuff she didn't need,
but bit rot had already set in. In an afternoon I backed-up her data,
reinstalled, and she was back up.
The moral to the story is that so many folks just don't know... they
think their computer needs to be replaced because it's running slow,
and a wipe and reload will fix this. This is why so many folks (like
Leythos, me, even many of the tech folks on TV and such) suggest to
reload Windows every so often. It's the nature of the beast. Some,
like you and your friends I assume from your statements, have the beast
tamed, but most folks don't.
Have a great afternoon ---
Sam Alex
Alex
Is that your actual IP address? Google cache has the following for a
website on this IP as of yesterday.
Welcome
3/7/2006 @ 9:20 PM MST - Corrected challenge ending date from 2/9/2006
to 3/9/2006.
3/7/2006 @ 9:00 PM MST - Changed "contest" to "challenge".
3/7/2006 @ 7:45 PM MST - Start of challenge.
This test is intended to mimic the OS X Security test performed by the
University of Wisconsin substituting a Windows server system in place
of an OS X system. I may update this page from time toime.
The test is simple: Alter the contents of this page on this system
(71.56.240.67) to be the word "0w3nd" in heading one style. This system
is a Compaq Proliant DL360 running Windows 2003 Server with SP1 and the
lates tt security patches as of 3/7/2006. It has two local accounts,
has RDP and HTTP open.
You are authorized to perform the action described on this page only on
this system only. Everything else is off limits. It is my intention
that this test will end at 6:00 PM MST on 3/9/2006 unless circumstance
warrant immediate termination.
There is no prize for this challenge
Josh McKee
"Alex" <sam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Josh,
>
> Is that your actual IP address? Google cache has the following for a
> website on this IP as of yesterday.
It is. Look at the ending date for the challenge. That was my challenge.
Since then I've replaced the Windows 2003 Server with a Windows XP
system. If that's not enough to convince you look at the IP address in
the header of my posts to this group.
Josh
Josh McKee
"Alex" <sam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Josh,
>
> I do setup computers for some folks and they run quite well -- but
> others don't.
Perhaps they're using an older version of Windows?
Josh
GreyCloud
Guffaw!! Let the lies begin. No one ever belives these claims anyway.
GreyCloud
Precisely. However, even windows based server rooms have difficulties
in keeping safe. Ask the others here that do manage servers for a
living. Roy S. has already posted the heavy amounts of traffic from
infected PCs, along with Ghosts experiences as well. Even Bresnan ISP
is having great difficulty in keeping out Spam from their users, tho
they are doing a pretty good job with their windows server farms.
Snit
ILOdnS8dY8H...@bresnan.com on 3/10/06 4:53 PM:
Well, you did post, but your lies are not just beginning.
> No one ever belives these claims anyway.
Please support your claim.
--
€ The tilde in an OS X path does *not* mean "the hard drive only"
€ OS X is partially based on BSD (esp. FreeBSD)
€ Incest is so different from sex as to not be considered synonymous
by anyone other than perverts
€ One can be guilty of a crime but neither tried nor convicted
€ As of Feb 2006 Apple had no wireless Mighty Mouse
€ Non-powered USB hubs can be used with powered devices
€ Teaching is a "real job"
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Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
You're right. I don't believe the claims and lies that you spew. I'm
offering up $100.00. If you're so sure of your position then it should
be an easy $100.00 for you.
Josh
Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> Alex wrote:
>
> > Hi Josh,
> >
> > Here's an article that you might enjoy reading:
> > http://www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin/blog/2004/11/dawn_of_the_deadfresh_window
> > s.html
> >
> > No matter what you're running, having a firewall between your computer
> > and Internet is prudent. I question you though, how many home users
> > buy a computer, get broadband, and plug that computer in with zero
> > knowledge of what a firewall or OS Updates are? I'd say a good number
> > of Internet users... Even if you install Windows and start running
> > updates, which will take longer then 4 minute (read article above),
> > your computer might already be hosed before the first reboot.
> >
> > There's many factors that can cause Windows or any OS to hose, but on
> > the mental list of things I notice that causes problems, most are
> > indigenous to Windows.
> >
> > As for your IP address, all someone will see is your hardware router,
> > which means you're one up on the virus and spam folks - so cheers!
> >
>
> Precisely. However, even windows based server rooms have difficulties
> in keeping safe.
Then you should have no problem claiming the $100.00 that I'm offering
to you.
Josh
Lobo
Ever try to get rid of the remains of Norton after a faulty uninstall?
Have fun..........
Tim Smith
Josh McKee <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> wrote:
> I do. Here's the IP address of my XP system: 71.56.240.67. You have my
> permission to try and crack it. The only thing that stand between it and
Uhm...not that I think *you* would do this, but a cautious person might
want some proof that it is your address before trying anything, because
someone could post an address that is *not* theirs, say it is theirs,
and give permission to try to crack it, and perhaps get people in
trouble who actually try, and perhaps induce a DOS on the actual owner.
--
--Tim Smith
Josh McKee
<reply_in_group-BAA...@news.east.earthlink.net>,
Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Feel free to look at the IP address in the header of this post.
Josh
Tim Murray
My mother-in-law wants in on the challenge. Her IP is ....
Josh McKee
Tim Murray <no-...@thankyou.com> wrote:
Your mother-in-law is welcome to try her hand at cracking my Windows XP
system. It's been five hours that this system has been online yet the
system remains unscathed. How can this be? According to the Mac zealots
this system should have been compromised by now.
Josh
GreyCloud
Why don't you just hand over the money and now.
Everyone knows that it is just a lie.
What happened to that free iPod you were offering to Steve??
GreyCloud
Ah, trolling again, eh snit-wit.
>
>> No one ever belives these claims anyway.
>
>
> Please support your claim.
>
Snit is a troll. Hope that helps.
GreyCloud
So speaketh the troll and proven liar.
GreyCloud
That's why no one in their right mind would do it.
Josh is just another big-mouthed troll.
GreyCloud
Yeah, right. Now go blow, troll.
Tim Murray
I was looking to have someone crash my mother-in-law's computer. Perhaps to
send a high-voltage charge through it, too.
Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
lol. Excuses, excuses GreyCloud. You're full of them. Tell you what:
Send me an e-mail and I'll give you an account on the system at that IP
address just to prove it's legitimate.
Josh
Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
Excuses, excuses. You're full of them. You'll do anything to avoid being
exposed for the fraud that you are. Even pass up $100.00. Tell you what,
to sweeten the deal I'll raise it to $250.00.
Josh
Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
Come get my money if you can (which you know you can't thus the lame
attempt at character assassination on your part).
Josh
Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
I'll hand it over as soon as you compromise the system.
> Everyone knows that it is just a lie.
If it's just a lie then you shouldn't have any problem cracking my
system and collecting my money.
> What happened to that free iPod you were offering to Steve??
Consider it added to the prize. Let me know when you compromise the
system. The IP address again: 71.56.240.67
Josh
GreyCloud
Yeah, right. And have the FBI pounding on my door while a jerk like
you is laughing his arse off. No thnx. Your strawmans argument won't
work here, Josh.
Your bogus claims are just that, BOGUS.
>
>>Everyone knows that it is just a lie.
>
>
> If it's just a lie then you shouldn't have any problem cracking my
> system and collecting my money.
>
>
It is. Just tell that to the newspapers across the country that report
about the MS problems with PC zombies and problems that abound.
The reports speak for themselves, not some clown who makes bogus claims.
You are very lucky in that YOUR ISP is the one that is protecting you
from most of the problems that plague others around the world.
>>What happened to that free iPod you were offering to Steve??
>
>
> Consider it added to the prize. Let me know when you compromise the
> system. The IP address again: 71.56.240.67
>
Yeah, right. More lies and bogus claims. So, did steve take your money?
GreyCloud
>>
>>So speaketh the troll and proven liar.
>
>
> Come get my money if you can (which you know you can't thus the lame
> attempt at character assassination on your part).
Nothing more than your lame scams and bogus claims.
GreyCloud
You are a liar and a proven troll.
GreyCloud
Guffaw!!! You are just a pathetic liar and troll.
Snit
>> lol. Excuses, excuses GreyCloud. You're full of them. Tell you what:
>> Send me an e-mail and I'll give you an account on the system at that IP
>> address just to prove it's legitimate.
>
> Guffaw!!! You are just a pathetic liar and troll.
Let me guess: GreyCloud never sent that email.
LOL!
Peter Köhlmann
> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> stated in post
> d4SdnbMBUtv...@bresnan.com on 3/11/06 11:52 AM:
>
>>> lol. Excuses, excuses GreyCloud. You're full of them. Tell you what:
>>> Send me an e-mail and I'll give you an account on the system at that IP
>>> address just to prove it's legitimate.
>>
>> Guffaw!!! You are just a pathetic liar and troll.
>
> Let me guess: GreyCloud never sent that email.
>
> LOL!
>
Let me guess: This "Josh McKee" cretin would provide *proof* that it is
actually his machine and not that one of the friendly FBI agent next door?
Or for that matter, the one from his arch enemy working in IT security?
Yup, just a I thought. You and Josh are full of it. Up to the ears
--
Howe's Law: Everyone has a scheme that will not work.
Snit
duvain$bah$01$1...@news.t-online.com on 3/11/06 1:05 PM:
Actually, he offered at least one person to give them an account on a the
machine with that IP. Do you think he works for the FBI or otherwise has
access to their machines?
GreyCloud
> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> stated in post
> d4SdnbMBUtv...@bresnan.com on 3/11/06 11:52 AM:
>
>
>>>lol. Excuses, excuses GreyCloud. You're full of them. Tell you what:
>>>Send me an e-mail and I'll give you an account on the system at that IP
>>>address just to prove it's legitimate.
>>
>>Guffaw!!! You are just a pathetic liar and troll.
>
>
> Let me guess: I lie a lot! I like to screw dead people, especially ol' granma.
>
> LOL!
>
>
Yeup. Mikey is a pervert all right.
GreyCloud
Worse is that the moron thinks his XP box is totally secure from all
malware.
GreyCloud
> "Peter Köhlmann" <peter.k...@t-online.de> stated in post
> duvain$bah$01$1...@news.t-online.com on 3/11/06 1:05 PM:
>
>
>>Snit wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> stated in post
>>>d4SdnbMBUtv...@bresnan.com on 3/11/06 11:52 AM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>lol. Excuses, excuses GreyCloud. You're full of them. Tell you what:
>>>>>Send me an e-mail and I'll give you an account on the system at that IP
>>>>>address just to prove it's legitimate.
>>>>
>>>>Guffaw!!! You are just a pathetic liar and troll.
>>>
>>>Let me guess: GreyCloud never sent that email.
>>>
>>>LOL!
>>>
>>
>>Let me guess: This "Josh McKee" cretin would provide *proof* that it is
>>actually his machine and not that one of the friendly FBI agent next door?
>>Or for that matter, the one from his arch enemy working in IT security?
>>
>>Yup, just a I thought. You and Josh are full of it. Up to the ears
>
>
> Actually, he offered at least one person to give them an account on a the
> machine with that IP. Do you think he works for the FBI or otherwise has
> access to their machines?
>
>
Go ahead and just try to access that IP #. Hope homeland security don't
hit you on the head too hard.
Snit
> Snit wrote:
>
>> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> stated in post
>> d4SdnbMBUtv...@bresnan.com on 3/11/06 11:52 AM:
>>
>>>> lol. Excuses, excuses GreyCloud. You're full of them. Tell you what:
>>>> Send me an e-mail and I'll give you an account on the system at that IP
>>>> address just to prove it's legitimate.
>>>
>>> Guffaw!!! You are just a pathetic liar and troll.
Returning what you snipped:
>> So prove him wrong and collect your money - or, if he does not pay, you can
>> spew all sorts of nasty things about him and, for a change, have an honest
>> basis to speak poorly of someone.
>>
>> Naw... you prefer to just make silly accusations. Oh well.
And your response:
> Let me guess: I lie a lot! I like to screw dead people, especially ol'
> granma.
>
> LOL!
The fact you would even make such a claim is repulsive. I do not want to
know if you really do what you say.
> Yeup. Mikey is a pervert all right.
Someone who claims to enjoy necrophilia is calling me names. So?
Steve Carroll
And a proven liar.
--
"Heck, OS X is not even partially based on FreeBSD" - Snit
"Sandman and Carroll are running around trying to crucify trolls
like myself" - Snit
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> stated in post
> d4SdnbMBUtv...@bresnan.com on 3/11/06 11:52 AM:
>
> >> lol. Excuses, excuses GreyCloud. You're full of them. Tell you what:
> >> Send me an e-mail and I'll give you an account on the system at that IP
> >> address just to prove it's legitimate.
> >
> > Guffaw!!! You are just a pathetic liar and troll.
>
> Let me guess: GreyCloud never sent that email.
Riding on the coattails of another newsgroup coward won't make you a
man, Snit. Now go get a real job...
Steve Carroll
Peter Kohlmann <peter.k...@t-online.de> wrote:
You may notice that Josh's main form of support is Snit. There is a good
reason for that... and you just pegged it... Josh is as full of shit as
gluehead is.
Steve Carroll
> On Mar 10, 2006, Tim Smith wrote:
> > In article <jtmckee-3E5B3E...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> > Josh McKee <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> wrote:
> >> I do. Here's the IP address of my XP system: 71.56.240.67. You have my
> >> permission to try and crack it. The only thing that stand between it and
> >
> > Uhm...not that I think *you* would do this, but a cautious person might
> > want some proof that it is your address before trying anything, because
> > someone could post an address that is *not* theirs, say it is theirs,
> > and give permission to try to crack it, and perhaps get people in
> > trouble who actually try, and perhaps induce a DOS on the actual owner.
> >
>
> My mother-in-law wants in on the challenge. Her IP is ....
LOL!
Steve Carroll
Josh McKee <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> wrote:
> In article
> <reply_in_group-BAA...@news.east.earthlink.net>,
> Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <jtmckee-3E5B3E...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> > Josh McKee <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> wrote:
> > > I do. Here's the IP address of my XP system: 71.56.240.67. You have my
> > > permission to try and crack it. The only thing that stand between it and
> >
> > Uhm...not that I think *you* would do this, but a cautious person might
> > want some proof that it is your address before trying anything, because
> > someone could post an address that is *not* theirs, say it is theirs,
> > and give permission to try to crack it, and perhaps get people in
> > trouble who actually try, and perhaps induce a DOS on the actual owner.
>
> Feel free to look at the IP address in the header of this post.
Take a closer look at your 'uncracked' system, Josh.
Steve Carroll
Josh McKee <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> wrote:
> In article <baydnSMIYLua14_Z...@bresnan.com>,
> GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>
> > Josh McKee wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <reply_in_group-BAA...@news.east.earthlink.net>,
> > > Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>In article <jtmckee-3E5B3E...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> > >> Josh McKee <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>I do. Here's the IP address of my XP system: 71.56.240.67. You have my
> > >>>permission to try and crack it. The only thing that stand between it and
> > >>
> > >>Uhm...not that I think *you* would do this, but a cautious person might
> > >>want some proof that it is your address before trying anything, because
> > >>someone could post an address that is *not* theirs, say it is theirs,
> > >>and give permission to try to crack it, and perhaps get people in
> > >>trouble who actually try, and perhaps induce a DOS on the actual owner.
> > >
> > >
> > > Feel free to look at the IP address in the header of this post.
> > >
> > Yeah, right. Now go blow, troll.
>
> Excuses, excuses. You're full of them. You'll do anything to avoid being
> exposed for the fraud that you are. Even pass up $100.00. Tell you what,
> to sweeten the deal I'll raise it to $250.00.
Done! Now go take a look at your system. Where's my $250?
Snit
noone-C32544....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 3/11/06 5:31 PM:
Ah, yes, Steve... you also brought down Google. LOL!
http://snipurl.com/ngtw
-----
Subject: I just brought Google down
If I can do that, and I did, I can hack any of you. Now who is the baddest
one in CSMA!
-----
LOL! You never did back up that claim, Steve. Let's see if you do any
better now.
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
Your ID thefts of me are of no concern to anyone, Snit. All you've done
is show you can forge posts using the names of other posters... big
deal. Let's see Josh pay off... I say he won't.
Snit
>>> Done! Now go take a look at your system. Where's my $250?
>>
>> Ah, yes, Steve... you also brought down Google. LOL!
>> http://snipurl.com/ngtw
>
> Your ID thefts of me are of no concern to anyone, Snit. All you've done
> is show you can forge posts using the names of other posters... big
> deal. Let's see Josh pay off... I say he won't.
You have yet to provide any more evidence of your hacking Josh's computer
than you did when you claimed to have brought Google down.
Oh, and Steve, I notice you have gone to denying that your posts are yours
to both Mayor and I - you might not want to overuse your lies like that.
Just a tip so you can stop humiliating yourself.
Steve Carroll
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> "Steve Carroll" <no...@nowhere.net> stated in post
> noone-781A1A....@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 3/11/06 5:47 PM:
>
> >>> Done! Now go take a look at your system. Where's my $250?
> >>
> >> Ah, yes, Steve... you also brought down Google. LOL!
> >> http://snipurl.com/ngtw
> >
> > Your ID thefts of me are of no concern to anyone, Snit. All you've done
> > is show you can forge posts using the names of other posters... big
> > deal. Let's see Josh pay off... I say he won't.
>
> You have
... pointed out what a gurgling, glue sniffing idiot Snit is? Yes, I
have.
GreyCloud
I'd say you are absolutely correct! He won't pay, he's just trolling.
GreyCloud
> In article <jtmckee-DCA394...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> Josh McKee <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> wrote:
>
>
>>In article
>><reply_in_group-BAA...@news.east.earthlink.net>,
>> Tim Smith <reply_i...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <jtmckee-3E5B3E...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
>>> Josh McKee <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I do. Here's the IP address of my XP system: 71.56.240.67. You have my
>>>>permission to try and crack it. The only thing that stand between it and
>>>
>>>Uhm...not that I think *you* would do this, but a cautious person might
>>>want some proof that it is your address before trying anything, because
>>>someone could post an address that is *not* theirs, say it is theirs,
>>>and give permission to try to crack it, and perhaps get people in
>>>trouble who actually try, and perhaps induce a DOS on the actual owner.
>>
>>Feel free to look at the IP address in the header of this post.
>
>
>
> Take a closer look at your 'uncracked' system, Josh.
>
I hope it really was his system, but when someone puts up an easy piece
of bait like that, it becomes highly suspect.
He just doesn't read or pay any attention to the security certs and
advisories. Any windows PC can get cracked within 10 minutes according
to Mitnik.
Josh McKee
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> stated in post
> d4SdnbMBUtv...@bresnan.com on 3/11/06 11:52 AM:
>
> >> lol. Excuses, excuses GreyCloud. You're full of them. Tell you what:
> >> Send me an e-mail and I'll give you an account on the system at that IP
> >> address just to prove it's legitimate.
> >
> > Guffaw!!! You are just a pathetic liar and troll.
>
> Let me guess: GreyCloud never sent that email.
>
> LOL!
That's correct. He's clueles.
Josh
GreyCloud
> "GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> stated in post
> zs-dneT4P5vj0Y7Z...@bresnan.com on 3/11/06 3:13 PM:
>
>
>>Snit wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> stated in post
>>>d4SdnbMBUtv...@bresnan.com on 3/11/06 11:52 AM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>lol. Excuses, excuses GreyCloud. You're full of them. Tell you what:
>>>>>Send me an e-mail and I'll give you an account on the system at that IP
>>>>>address just to prove it's legitimate.
>>>>
>>>>Guffaw!!! You are just a pathetic liar and troll.
>
>
> Returning what you snipped:
>
>
>>>So prove him wrong and collect your money - or, if he does not pay, you can
>>>spew all sorts of nasty things about him and, for a change, have an honest
>>>basis to speak poorly of someone.
>>>
>>>Naw... you prefer to just make silly accusations. Oh well.
>>Let me guess: I lie a lot! I like to screw dead people, especially ol'
>>granma.
>>
>>LOL!
>
>
> The fact you would even make such a claim is repulsive. I do not want to
> know if you really do what you say.
It has already been proven that you do this.
>
>
>>Yeup. Mikey is a pervert all right.
>
>
> I enjoy necrophilia. So?
>
Case closed.
Josh McKee
I told him that he could send me an e-mail and I would create him an
account on the system. He could then log on remotely to verify that it
was my system. Seems reasonable to me. Or, if that's not to his liking
perhaps he (or you) could suggest an alternative. But you don't. You
would rather make excuses in hopes that you can deflect attention away
from the fact that this system has been sitting on the Internet naked
since Friday afternoon. With a $250.00 + iPod mini bounty on it's head
if GreyCloud compromises it.
Josh
Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> Josh McKee wrote:
[ snip ]
> > Excuses, excuses. You're full of them. You'll do anything to avoid being
> > exposed for the fraud that you are. Even pass up $100.00. Tell you what,
> > to sweeten the deal I'll raise it to $250.00.
>
> You are a liar and a proven troll.
Excuses, excuses. You're full of them. Come on GreyCould. Prove me a
liar by cracking into my system and claiming my money and iPod mini.
What's that, you won't even try?!?!?!?! Didn't think so.
Josh
Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> Josh McKee wrote:
>
> >>
> >>So speaketh the troll and proven liar.
> >
> >
> > Come get my money if you can (which you know you can't thus the lame
> > attempt at character assassination on your part).
>
> Nothing more than your lame scams and bogus claims.
Excuses, excuses. You're not even going to try. How pathetic you are. If
it's a bogus claim or a scam prove it by hacking into the system. You're
all talk. I've backed up my position with a monetary offer. What have
you done? Make excuses. Guess you're not too confident in your position
if you won't even try!
Josh
Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> Josh McKee wrote:
>
> > In article <baydnScIYLvj1I_Z...@bresnan.com>,
> > GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Josh McKee wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <8cWdnQeEMsH...@bresnan.com>,
> >>> GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Alex wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi Josh,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Here's an article that you might enjoy reading:
> >>>>>http://www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin/blog/2004/11/dawn_of_the_deadfresh_win
> >>>>>do
> >>>>>w
> >>>>>s.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>No matter what you're running, having a firewall between your computer
> >>>>>and Internet is prudent. I question you though, how many home users
> >>>>>buy a computer, get broadband, and plug that computer in with zero
> >>>>>knowledge of what a firewall or OS Updates are? I'd say a good number
> >>>>>of Internet users... Even if you install Windows and start running
> >>>>>updates, which will take longer then 4 minute (read article above),
> >>>>>your computer might already be hosed before the first reboot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>There's many factors that can cause Windows or any OS to hose, but on
> >>>>>the mental list of things I notice that causes problems, most are
> >>>>>indigenous to Windows.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>As for your IP address, all someone will see is your hardware router,
> >>>>>which means you're one up on the virus and spam folks - so cheers!
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Precisely. However, even windows based server rooms have difficulties
> >>>>in keeping safe.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Then you should have no problem claiming the $100.00 that I'm offering
> >>>to you.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Why don't you just hand over the money and now.
> >
> >
> > I'll hand it over as soon as you compromise the system.
> >
>
> Yeah, right. And have the FBI pounding on my door while a jerk like
> you is laughing his arse off. No thnx. Your strawmans argument won't
> work here, Josh.
Why would they do that? I've given you permission to crack it.
> Your bogus claims are just that, BOGUS.
Then PROVE them bogus by cracking my system and taking my money!
Josh
Josh McKee
GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
I'll pay just as soon as you crack the system. Until such time why would
I pay?
Josh
Snit
jtmckee-DE03C8...@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 3/12/06 12:48 PM:
>>>> Ah, yes, Steve... you also brought down Google. LOL!
>>>> http://snipurl.com/ngtw
>>>
>>>
>>> Your ID thefts of me are of no concern to anyone, Snit. All you've done
>>> is show you can forge posts using the names of other posters... big
>>> deal. Let's see Josh pay off... I say he won't.
>>>
>>
>> I'd say you are absolutely correct! He won't pay, he's just trolling.
>
> I'll pay just as soon as you crack the system. Until such time why would
> I pay?
You mean Steve lied when he said he "cracked" your system! Nooooo.... I
mean, if Steve can bring down Google your system should be a piece of cake.
You don't think he lied about that, too? LOL!
Snit
Did he ever even send the e-mail so you could prove the system was yours?
Did Carroll? My guess: neither of them have tried to crack your system
(which is fine) but both will troll and flame you over their backing out for
months or years to come. They simply cannot help themselves.
Josh McKee
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> "Josh McKee" <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> stated in post
> jtmckee-DE03C8...@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 3/12/06 12:48 PM:
>
> >>>> Ah, yes, Steve... you also brought down Google. LOL!
> >>>> http://snipurl.com/ngtw
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Your ID thefts of me are of no concern to anyone, Snit. All you've done
> >>> is show you can forge posts using the names of other posters... big
> >>> deal. Let's see Josh pay off... I say he won't.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'd say you are absolutely correct! He won't pay, he's just trolling.
> >
> > I'll pay just as soon as you crack the system. Until such time why would
> > I pay?
>
> You mean Steve lied when he said he "cracked" your system!
Well the system is still up and online and I can find no evidence that
someone has compromised it. If Steve has compromised it then he'll have
to provide some details.
> Nooooo.... I mean, if Steve can bring down Google your system should be a
> piece of cake.
According to the Mac zealots any Windows system should be a piece of
cake and the two systems I've used in the challenge should have been
compromised within minutes.
> You don't think he lied about that, too? LOL!
lol. When Steve tells the truth then hell will have frozen over.
Josh
Josh McKee
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
> "Josh McKee" <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> stated in post
> jtmckee-F8F576...@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 3/12/06 12:08 PM:
>
> > In article <d4SdnbABUtu...@bresnan.com>,
> > GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Josh McKee wrote:
> >
> > [ snip ]
> >
> >>> Excuses, excuses. You're full of them. You'll do anything to avoid being
> >>> exposed for the fraud that you are. Even pass up $100.00. Tell you what,
> >>> to sweeten the deal I'll raise it to $250.00.
> >>
> >> You are a liar and a proven troll.
> >
> > Excuses, excuses. You're full of them. Come on GreyCould. Prove me a
> > liar by cracking into my system and claiming my money and iPod mini.
> > What's that, you won't even try?!?!?!?! Didn't think so.
>
> Did he ever even send the e-mail so you could prove the system was yours?
Nope.
> Did Carroll?
Nope.
> My guess: neither of them have tried to crack your system (which is fine) but
> both will troll and flame you over their backing out for months or years to
> come. They simply cannot help themselves.
Yep. They're proving my point nicely by not even trying.
Josh
Snit
> In article <C039D2B5.4894A%SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>,
> Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> "Josh McKee" <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> stated in post
>> jtmckee-DE03C8...@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 3/12/06 12:48 PM:
>>
>>>>>> Ah, yes, Steve... you also brought down Google. LOL!
>>>>>> http://snipurl.com/ngtw
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your ID thefts of me are of no concern to anyone, Snit. All you've done
>>>>> is show you can forge posts using the names of other posters... big
>>>>> deal. Let's see Josh pay off... I say he won't.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd say you are absolutely correct! He won't pay, he's just trolling.
>>>
>>> I'll pay just as soon as you crack the system. Until such time why would
>>> I pay?
>>
>> You mean Steve lied when he said he "cracked" your system!
>
> Well the system is still up and online and I can find no evidence that
> someone has compromised it. If Steve has compromised it then he'll have
> to provide some details.
I will sweeten the deal for him: if he provided strong evidence that he has
done so I will stop posting for one month. Steve *will*, of course, fail to
provide any evidence of his claim at all.
>
>> Nooooo.... I mean, if Steve can bring down Google your system should be a
>> piece of cake.
>
> According to the Mac zealots any Windows system should be a piece of
> cake and the two systems I've used in the challenge should have been
> compromised within minutes.
It is true that Windows users are at a much higher risk of infection than
Mac users, but the level of threat is exaggerated by many.
>> You don't think he lied about that, too? LOL!
>
> lol. When Steve tells the truth then hell will have frozen over.
Well, a stopped (analog) clock is even right twice a day - so Steve might
*occasionally* say something honest and correct. I suspect it is by
accident when it happens that. He clearly does not make a habit of it.
Snit
With all their BS they sure should be trying to reduce their humiliation.
Josh McKee
Snit <SN...@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID> wrote:
That would be the actions of a reasonable person. But then, no one ever
said that these two were reasonable.
Josh
GreyCloud
Your word is worthless.
>
>
>>Your bogus claims are just that, BOGUS.
>
>
> Then PROVE them bogus by cracking my system and taking my money!
>
Steve said to check your PC. Can you prove that he already cracked it?
Or will you just troll and say that no one did? Either way, your bogus
claims are just that, bogus and your word is worthless.
GreyCloud
Lame claims and more lame claims. Do you ever read the security
advisories? And that the newspapers have reported many times of PC
taken over to be someone elses spambots?
Your word is worthless.
GreyCloud
You are a proven liar and troll.
GreyCloud
> "Josh McKee" <jtm...@rmac.know-spam-bogus.net> stated in post
> jtmckee-F8F576...@comcast.dca.giganews.com on 3/12/06 12:08 PM:
>
>
>>In article <d4SdnbABUtu...@bresnan.com>,
>> GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Josh McKee wrote:
>>
>>[ snip ]
>>
>>
>>>>Excuses, excuses. You're full of them. You'll do anything to avoid being
>>>>exposed for the fraud that you are. Even pass up $100.00. Tell you what,
>>>>to sweeten the deal I'll raise it to $250.00.
>>>
>>>You are a liar and a proven troll.
>>
>>Excuses, excuses. You're full of them. Come on GreyCould. Prove me a
>>liar by cracking into my system and claiming my money and iPod mini.
>>What's that, you won't even try?!?!?!?! Didn't think so.
>
>
> Did he ever even send the e-mail so you could prove the system was yours?
> Did Carroll? My guess: neither of them have tried to crack your system
> (which is fine) but both will troll and flame you over their backing out for
> months or years to come. They simply cannot help themselves.
>
>
I see that you are still looking for a troll-mate.
Still looking for someone to back up your absurd and lunatic claims.
GreyCloud
Which you can't prove. Which only means you are a worthless troll.