[News] Two Types of People Will Use Vista
Roy Schestowitz
,----[ Quote ]
| A prominent journalist told me at CES, "There are only two peoplewho
| will use Vista: Those forced to when they buy a new PC, and those who
| will upgrade in 5 years".
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cc
Nobody gives a fuck about Vista.
DFS
It's all cola can talk about (and don't blame that on "wintrolls" - blame it
on yourselves).
John Bailo
I agree with you.
Anyway, who cares whether Vista sells or not. XP still sells and it
has the lion's share of the market.
All Vista does is deflect attention away from reality.
Linux has to still sell itself versus XP; not Vista.
John Bailo
Haven't we discussed this ad nauseam?
Microsoft is a monopoly. All it has to do is demonstrate that it can
deliver things that Linux can, sort of, in a few years.
Vista is FUD.
It is yet another attempt, like SCO, to cast doubt about alternatives to
Windows by saying "look, see, you can get this nice Window upgrade and
hang on to all your old code".
Vista proves you can fool 99 percent of the people 99 percent of the
time, because these old tricks have worked for them time and time again.
If you want a better Operating System, get a better brain first. Then
you'd know the difference between what is, and what really is.
Tim Fairchild
I'm still tossing up whether to take an interest in Vista or not. No doubt
there will be money to make with people making the change, but I'm not sure
I'm all that fussed with having to deal with it.
Hopefully it will break enough things to make the transition to linux look
better for some.
My biggest hope was that it might actually be hard to steal, but I had a
feeling that wouldn't be the case. I don't really think MS minds a bit of
piracy to help establish a new OS...
Did anyone actually buy windows 3.1 out there?
DFS
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> Well, tell us what you REALLY think (about Vista)
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> A prominent journalist told me at CES, "There are only two peoplewho
>>> will use Vista: Those forced to when they buy a new PC, and those
>>> who will upgrade in 5 years".
>> `----
>>
>> http://hackersblog.itproportal.com/?p=500
>
> Haven't we discussed this ad nauseam?
Sure, but the year is still young.
It's just some "prominent journalist's" silly opinion. I'm sure other
"prominent journalists" in 1990 said Win 3.1 would be a bust.
> Microsoft is a monopoly. All it has to do is demonstrate that it can
> deliver things that Linux can, sort of, in a few years.
They missed that over in the Ubuntu camp, where they're busy looking to
Vista for inspiration: "Vista is introducing alot of new features and I'm
pretty sure we can (or will very shortly) replicate most of those features
in Ubuntu."
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-161670.html
> Vista is FUD.
Vista is a huge, bloated, long-awaited, overpriced new Microsoft desktop OS,
with many new features and apps and technologies. I think it will be nice,
if you have the hardware for it.
> It is yet another attempt, like SCO, to cast doubt about alternatives
> to Windows by saying "look, see, you can get this nice Window upgrade
> and hang on to all your old code".
It happens to be true. And, it's the same argument made by many OSS
products: "Look, you can use your MS documents in our OSS app!"
> Vista proves you can fool 99 percent of the people 99 percent of the
> time, because these old tricks have worked for them time and time
> again.
Then they're not tricks.
> If you want a better Operating System, get a better brain first.
First look deep within yourself, Jabba.
> Then you'd know the difference between what is, and what really is.
People don't care much about Windows; they care about apps and hardware and
games and music.
DFS
> I'm still tossing up whether to take an interest in Vista or not. No
> doubt there will be money to make with people making the change, but
> I'm not sure I'm all that fussed with having to deal with it.
You make money working w/ computers and OSes? I thought you rassled cows
and dogs for a living.
> Hopefully it will break enough things to make the transition to linux
> look better for some.
It's going to take a seriously BAD Vista to force Linux migrations.
> My biggest hope was that it might actually be hard to steal, but I
> had a feeling that wouldn't be the case. I don't really think MS
> minds a bit of piracy to help establish a new OS...
Hopefully the features and functionality will help establish the new
Windows. D3D10 and gaming will drive a lot of sales.
> Did anyone actually buy windows 3.1 out there?
Tens of millions, actually. Start counting - by the time you reach
10,000,000 you can start counting the new 10,000,000 Vista sales.
John A. Bailo
> in Ubuntu."
Proving what I've always said about Ubuntu (MS Sponsored FUD).
> Vista is a huge, bloated, long-awaited, overpriced new Microsoft desktop
> OS,
3 years and you finally published a fact.
> with many new features and apps and technologies. I think it will be
> nice, if you have the hardware for it.
And if you don't you can get the same thing from Suse.
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2007.
Tim Fairchild
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>
>> I'm still tossing up whether to take an interest in Vista or not. No
>> doubt there will be money to make with people making the change, but
>> I'm not sure I'm all that fussed with having to deal with it.
>
> You make money working w/ computers and OSes? I thought you rassled cows
> and dogs for a living.
Off and on. Small time hardware mostly. I've been avoiding OS work for a
couple of years now. I prefer cows and dogs. They are somehow more
predictable.
>> Hopefully it will break enough things to make the transition to linux
>> look better for some.
>
> It's going to take a seriously BAD Vista to force Linux migrations.
I was only thinking of migration issues. I don't see a mass move to linux,
but some migration issues might change the view of quite a few. I can't
imagine Vista being 'seriously bad', at least not in windows terms.
In any case, MS has many loyal butt crawlers to lap it up and spread the
gospel.
>> My biggest hope was that it might actually be hard to steal, but I
>> had a feeling that wouldn't be the case. I don't really think MS
>> minds a bit of piracy to help establish a new OS...
>
> Hopefully the features and functionality will help establish the new
> Windows. D3D10 and gaming will drive a lot of sales.
But a lot of people do like to try before they buy. And they will.
>> Did anyone actually buy windows 3.1 out there?
>
> Tens of millions, actually. Start counting - by the time you reach
> 10,000,000 you can start counting the new 10,000,000 Vista sales.
In the US I guess. The schools bought it here, I know, well a few copies
anyway. Heck, the schools here still steal half of what they use. Most
private individuals I've run into (ie the windows user crowd) seemed to
have acquired it from sharing around those disks.
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>
>> in Ubuntu."
>
> Proving what I've always said about Ubuntu (MS Sponsored FUD).
huh? You're the first (and only) who's ever labeled Ubuntu a piece of MS
FUD.
>> Vista is a huge, bloated, long-awaited, overpriced new Microsoft
>> desktop OS,
>
> 3 years and you finally published a fact.
Another fact: for watching 3 technical webcasts, I get a free copy of Vista
Business. woot!
>> with many new features and apps and technologies. I think it will be
>> nice, if you have the hardware for it.
>
> And if you don't you can get the same thing from Suse.
pffftttt.
btw, Suse = SUSE
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>> You make money working w/ computers and OSes? I thought you rassled
>> cows and dogs for a living.
>
> Off and on. Small time hardware mostly. I've been avoiding OS work
> for a couple of years now. I prefer cows and dogs. They are somehow
> more predictable.
Today I noticed my border collie grooming himself like a cat, licking the
side of his paw, then rubbing it up and down his snout. He's my guy!
>>> Hopefully it will break enough things to make the transition to
>>> linux look better for some.
>>
>> It's going to take a seriously BAD Vista to force Linux migrations.
>
> I was only thinking of migration issues. I don't see a mass move to
> linux, but some migration issues might change the view of quite a
> few. I can't imagine Vista being 'seriously bad', at least not in
> windows terms.
Their best yet, I'm sure.
> In any case, MS has many loyal butt crawlers to lap it up and spread
> the gospel.
Linux and Mac users are far more fanatical and obsessed. You guys have
oddjobs like cola nut 7 - you should be proud.
>>> Did anyone actually buy windows 3.1 out there?
>>
>> Tens of millions, actually. Start counting - by the time you reach
>> 10,000,000 you can start counting the new 10,000,000 Vista sales.
>
> In the US I guess. The schools bought it here, I know, well a few
> copies anyway. Heck, the schools here still steal half of what they
> use.
Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
> Most private individuals I've run into (ie the windows user
> crowd) seemed to have acquired it from sharing around those disks.
tsk tsk - they'd rather risk stealing Windows than use Linux for free.
There's something to be learned there.
Tim Fairchild
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>
>>> You make money working w/ computers and OSes? I thought you rassled
>>> cows and dogs for a living.
>>
>> Off and on. Small time hardware mostly. I've been avoiding OS work
>> for a couple of years now. I prefer cows and dogs. They are somehow
>> more predictable.
>
> Today I noticed my border collie grooming himself like a cat, licking the
> side of his paw, then rubbing it up and down his snout. He's my guy!
Wouldn't be without em.
>>>> Hopefully it will break enough things to make the transition to
>>>> linux look better for some.
>>>
>>> It's going to take a seriously BAD Vista to force Linux migrations.
>>
>> I was only thinking of migration issues. I don't see a mass move to
>> linux, but some migration issues might change the view of quite a
>> few. I can't imagine Vista being 'seriously bad', at least not in
>> windows terms.
>
> Their best yet, I'm sure.
Can't get worse, surely.
>> In any case, MS has many loyal butt crawlers to lap it up and spread
>> the gospel.
>
> Linux and Mac users are far more fanatical and obsessed. You guys have
> oddjobs like cola nut 7 - you should be proud.
Of course, but windows has way more users and way more nuts. The forums are
full of them.
>>>> Did anyone actually buy windows 3.1 out there?
>>>
>>> Tens of millions, actually. Start counting - by the time you reach
>>> 10,000,000 you can start counting the new 10,000,000 Vista sales.
>>
>> In the US I guess. The schools bought it here, I know, well a few
>> copies anyway. Heck, the schools here still steal half of what they
>> use.
>
> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>
>> Most private individuals I've run into (ie the windows user
>> crowd) seemed to have acquired it from sharing around those disks.
>
> tsk tsk - they'd rather risk stealing Windows than use Linux for free.
> There's something to be learned there.
It certainly shows the power of a monopoly, yes.
John Bailo
> Today I noticed my border collie grooming himself like a cat, licking the
> side of his paw, then rubbing it up and down his snout. He's my guy!
Border collies have long lustrous hair...shiny healthy hair...rich
thick...oh, um...sorry.
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>
> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of course,
they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
John Bailo
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>
>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>
> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves.
No, England exported them gratis.
DFS
I have nice clear skin... acne-scar free skin... smooth youthful skin...
whoops I apologize for being cruel.
John Bailo
No wonder the stock of Oil of Olay is rising!
Kier
Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice? You have
no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia. Contrary to
what you think, many were barely what we would regard as criminals at all.
The majority were not murders, either.
--
Kier
Tim Fairchild
Petty crime. In the very early days.
Of course Australia was eventually populated by free settlers and normal
voluntary immigration, but we wouldn't want that to get in the way of a
good story :)
As for the racist stuff... Well isn't that just like our DFS. When he has
such a narrow warped view of race, you can hardly take his OS comments too
seriously...
Peter Köhlmann
Well, DFS is no worse (or better) than flatfish in that regard. Both are
vile racists
--
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-- Walt Kelly
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>>
>>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>>
>>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>>
>> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice? You have
>> no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia. Contrary to
>> what you think, many were barely what we would regard as criminals at all.
>> The majority were not murders, either.
>
> Petty crime. In the very early days.
>
> Of course Australia was eventually populated by free settlers and normal
> voluntary immigration, but we wouldn't want that to get in the way of a
> good story :)
Not to mention, Australian society in general is highly law-abiding.More
so in many ways than countries that were not originally populated by
criminals, some of whom had done no more than steal bread when they wre
starving.
>
> As for the racist stuff... Well isn't that just like our DFS. When he has
> such a narrow warped view of race, you can hardly take his OS comments too
> seriously...
It's sad he feels the need to make such comments.
--
Kier
chrisv
>On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>
>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>
>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of course,
>> they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>
>Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
Hey, it got him fed, right?
DFS
> Kier wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>>
>>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>>
>>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>>
>> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
>> You have no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia.
>> Contrary to what you think, many were barely what we would regard as
>> criminals at all. The majority were not murders, either.
>
> Petty crime. In the very early days.
Ahhh... crime is petty when Aussies commit it, but I'm lying when I reveal
the astronomical negroid murder rate in the US. Gotcha.
> Of course Australia was eventually populated by free settlers and
> normal voluntary immigration, but we wouldn't want that to get in the
> way of a good story :)
>
> As for the racist stuff... Well isn't that just like our DFS. When he
> has such a narrow warped view of race, you can hardly take his OS
> comments too seriously...
It's not racist. It's fact. And it's extremely easy to verify. The
negroid homicide rate is several multiples of the White homicide rate.
Remove those brainless animals from the US and it's a much safer, less
criminal place.
For instance: Washington Post (11/29/98): black males 14-24 make up 2% of
the United
States population, but commit 33% of the homicides.
Then read the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, and look at the violent crime
index.
It's all there. It all happened.
DFS
> It's sad he feels the need to make such comments.
What do you expect, when Dim tells me the Aussie homicide rate is way below
the US rate. There's a reason: a small group of homicidal beasts commits
half the murders in the United States.
John Bailo
> brainless animals
What about hairless animals such as yourself?
> Then read the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, and look at the violent crime
"Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented
among homicide victims and offenders"
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
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John Bailo
> the US rate. There's a reason: a small group of homicidal beasts commits
Police think of murder as the most solvable crime. 80 of murders are
committed by people who know the victim.
Take a man whose wife finds a younger man..maybe because his hair is
receding and his excel business is being replaced by Linux. He goes
off the deep end and kills them both. That is the typical murderer.
John Bailo
> What do you expect, when Dim tells me the Aussie homicide rate is way below
> the US rate. There's a reason: a small group of homicidal beasts commits
> half the murders in the United States.
Interesting...whites are 3x more likely to "go postal":
Homicide Type by Race, 1976-2004
Victims Offenders
White Black Other White Black Other
Workplace 84.9% 12.0% 3.1% 70.5% 26.4% 3.1%
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>
>> the US rate. There's a reason: a small group of homicidal beasts
>> commits
>
> Police think of murder as the most solvable crime. 80 of murders are
> committed by people who know the victim.
>
> Take a man whose wife finds a younger man..maybe because his hair is
> receding and his excel business is being replaced by Linux. He goes
> off the deep end and kills them both. That is the typical murderer.
No, that's your typical stupidity bursting out.
Paul Bramscher
> DFS wrote:
>> brainless animals
>
> What about hairless animals such as yourself?
>
>> Then read the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, and look at the violent crime
>
> "Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented
> among homicide victims and offenders"
>
> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
Is there a similar site at the FBI for white collar crime, warmongering,
fleecing banks, mismanaging HMO's and insurance companies, criminally
inflating property values, and the like?
John Bailo
> Is there a similar site at the FBI for white collar crime, warmongering,
> fleecing banks, mismanaging HMO's and insurance companies, criminally
> inflating property values, and the like?
Tim Fairchild
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>> Kier wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>>>
>>>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>>>
>>>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>>>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>>>
>>> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
>>> You have no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia.
>>> Contrary to what you think, many were barely what we would regard as
>>> criminals at all. The majority were not murders, either.
>>
>> Petty crime. In the very early days.
>
> Ahhh... crime is petty when Aussies commit it, but I'm lying when I reveal
> the astronomical negroid murder rate in the US. Gotcha.
What a meaningless statement to make. Some small time criminals were brought
to Australia in the early days. It has little to with the fact that
Australia was settled mostly by free immigrants and settlers, or the fact
that you are racist. And I'm American by heritage as you well know. (Which
is just as irrelevant).
>> Of course Australia was eventually populated by free settlers and
>> normal voluntary immigration, but we wouldn't want that to get in the
>> way of a good story :)
>>
>> As for the racist stuff... Well isn't that just like our DFS. When he
>> has such a narrow warped view of race, you can hardly take his OS
>> comments too seriously...
>
> It's not racist.
And yet you come right and show you are.
> It's fact. And it's extremely easy to verify. The
> negroid homicide rate is several multiples of the White homicide rate.
> Remove those brainless animals from the US and it's a much safer, less
> criminal place.
>
> For instance: Washington Post (11/29/98): black males 14-24 make up 2% of
> the United
> States population, but commit 33% of the homicides.
>
> Then read the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, and look at the violent crime
> index.
>
> It's all there. It all happened.
And whites are the big killers in the workplace, so watch out :)
Tim Fairchild
He can dish it, but he can't take it :)
DFS
> Is there a similar site at the FBI for white collar crime,
> warmongering, fleecing banks, mismanaging HMO's and insurance
> companies, criminally inflating property values, and the like?
Why?
Tim Fairchild
I'm more interested in how easily they can group people. It seems there are
just Black and White people, with little else. Are mixed-race Black or
White? Do people like DFS carry a little colour card with them? You must be
this white to enter...
DFS
> And whites are the big killers in the workplace, so watch out :)
Another Linux "advocate" moving the goal posts - even when the subject isn't
Linux.
John Bailo
> Another
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Peter Köhlmann
Oh, the angry racist DumbFullShit talks about criminals. And wants to make
shure that white criminals are excluded.
How telling
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Avoid reality at all costs.
DFS
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>
>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>
>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>
> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
Just telling it like it is.
> You have no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia.
It's a FACT the first European settlers to Australia were convicted British
criminals. You limeys also sent a bunch of your scum to America.
> Contrary to what you think, many were barely what we would regard as
> criminals at all. The majority were not murders, either.
I never said they were. So why did you bring it up?
Tim Fairchild
We have hit a nerve, haven't we :)
Tim Fairchild
> Kier wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>>
>>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>>
>>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>>
>> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
>
> Just telling it like it is.
>
>
>
>> You have no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia.
>
> It's a FACT the first European settlers to Australia were convicted
> British
> criminals. You limeys also sent a bunch of your scum to America.
And your family goes back to all those European lines. Must hurt, eh?
Then all humans came out of Africa anyway.
Paul Bramscher
Anyone can get a home alarm (~$100+), firearm ($50+) or large dog
($75+), etc. to protect himself against a substantial number of
blue-collar crimes.
The only recourse anyone has against white collar crime is either an
expensive attorney, 10-100 times this amount, or an unresponsive
government agency.
It's the mortgage company, county tax assessor and home/health insurance
companies that are ripping me off. Borrow $200K for a home at 6.5%.
Over 30 years you'll pay well over a half million for it. It places the
mugger who ran off with $50 and a couple credit cards -- that you
immediately cancel -- into the chump change category.
DFS
Not at all. First you whine about the US homicide rate, then when I show
you why it's so high you move the goalpost and say "workplace homicide
rate".
Of course you have some 3rd party support for your claim?
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>>>
>>>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>>>
>>>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>>>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>>>
>>> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
>>
>> Just telling it like it is.
>>
>>
>>
>>> You have no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia.
>>
>> It's a FACT the first European settlers to Australia were convicted
>> British
>> criminals. You limeys also sent a bunch of your scum to America.
>
> And your family goes back to all those European lines.
German, actually.
> Must hurt, eh?
I didn't really know them too well - before my time, you understand.
> Then all humans came out of Africa anyway.
This is true. But the ones that remained behind...
DFS
Damn Paul, but aren't you the victim. Who forced you to borrow someone
else's money and sign that mortgage with those terms? Who forces you to buy
home and health insurance?
Sounds like you want the free use of someone else's money for 30 years.
Why? Is this what Linux "advocacy" has done to you?
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>
>> licking the side of his paw, then rubbing it up and down his snout. He's
>> my guy!
>
> Border collies have long lustrous hair...shiny healthy hair...rich
> thick...oh, um...sorry.
When I first saw your pic, I immediately thought of Jabba the Hut.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Jabba+the+Hut
On closer inspection, I notice an acne-scarred, moon-surface, greasy
pepperoni-pizza look.
John Bailo: Pizza the Hut
(ROFL! Thanks Mel Brooks!)
Paul Bramscher
> Paul Bramscher wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>> Paul Bramscher wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a similar site at the FBI for white collar crime,
>>>> warmongering, fleecing banks, mismanaging HMO's and insurance
>>>> companies, criminally inflating property values, and the like?
>>> Why?
>> Anyone can get a home alarm (~$100+), firearm ($50+) or large dog
>> ($75+), etc. to protect himself against a substantial number of
>> blue-collar crimes.
>>
>> The only recourse anyone has against white collar crime is either an
>> expensive attorney, 10-100 times this amount, or an unresponsive
>> government agency.
>>
>> It's the mortgage company, county tax assessor and home/health
>> insurance companies that are ripping me off. Borrow $200K for a home
>> at 6.5%. Over 30 years you'll pay well over a half million for it. It
>> places the mugger who ran off with $50 and a couple credit cards
>> -- that you immediately cancel -- into the chump change category.
>
> Damn Paul, but aren't you the victim. Who forced you to borrow someone
> else's money and sign that mortgage with those terms? Who forces you to buy
> home and health insurance?
Homelessness and prolonged suffering are the alternatives. Against that
as a backdrop, I'm supposed to feel grateful I have the opportunity of
indentured servitude? To be a good little peasant?
BTW: If you actually believe what you're saying, and aren't cowardly by
nature, why hide behind an alias? Put your real name on your words, or
buzz off.
> Sounds like you want the free use of someone else's money for 30 years.
> Why? Is this what Linux "advocacy" has done to you?
How is it their money after all? They do nothing except mail everyone a
bill each month and add up some numbers. It's extortion and usury, the
luxury of those who control a monopoly. There is no justification for
their supposed ownership either, now is there? They have the biggest
guns, and ability to evict on their side? That alone suffices for
justification?
Paul Bramscher
Even M$ has greater justification for what it does than banks. Whether
we like Windows or not, M$ actually produced an operating system, games,
etc.
It's unclear what banks do when lending, other than to sustain landless
oppression among the masses -- by penalizing the poor for not having
money (borrowing interest), rewarding the rich for having money (savings
interest and CD's), and skimming off the difference.
DFS
If you're unhappy with having a mortgage and feeling trapped, foreclose or
sell your house and move into a cheap apartment across the hall from John
Bailo. He'll be glad for the company.
>> BTW: If you actually believe what you're saying,
I wouldn't say it if I didn't believe it.
>> and aren't cowardly by nature, why hide behind an alias?
It's cola - it's filled with bitter, mean children.
>> Put your real name on your words, or buzz off.
No. If you don't like what I say, plonk me.
>>> Sounds like you want the free use of someone else's money for 30
>>> years. Why? Is this what Linux "advocacy" has done to you?
>>
>> How is it their money after all?
I didn't say it was their money. It's someone else's money, but you seem to
think you shouldn't have to pay interest to use it. Why?
>> They do nothing except mail
>> everyone a bill each month and add up some numbers. It's extortion
>> and usury, the luxury of those who control a monopoly. There is no
>> justification for their supposed ownership either, now is there? They
>> have the biggest guns, and ability to evict on their side? That alone
>> suffices for justification?
>
> Even M$ has greater justification for what it does than banks. Whether we
> like Windows or not, M$ actually produced an operating
> system, games, etc.
>
> It's unclear what banks do when lending, other than to sustain
> landless oppression among the masses -- by penalizing the poor for
> not having money (borrowing interest), rewarding the rich for having
> money (savings interest and CD's), and skimming off the difference.
Don't be intentionally daft. You know exactly what services banks provide.
If you're fuzzy on the details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banking
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>>
>>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>>
>>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>>
>> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
>
> Just telling it like it is.
Wrong. The morons were those who imported the innocent blacks as slaves.
>
>
>
>> You have no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia.
>
> It's a FACT the first European settlers to Australia were convicted British
> criminals. You limeys also sent a bunch of your scum to America.
It's a fact that many of those transported were people who had joined
unions (ever heard of thee Tolpuddle Martyrs?), or were petty criminals,
who hardly deserved being sent thousands of miles from home on a one-way
trip. You are clearly also ignorant of the social conditions in Georgian
England.
--
Kier
DFS
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:24:50 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>>>
>>>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>>>
>>>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>>>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>>>
>>> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
>>
>> Just telling it like it is.
>
> Wrong. The morons were those who imported the innocent blacks as
> slaves.
I'll agree they were moronic for importing blacks - it's by far the worst
mistake made in American history.
>>> You have no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia.
>>
>> It's a FACT the first European settlers to Australia were convicted
>> British criminals. You limeys also sent a bunch of your scum to
>> America.
>
> It's a fact that many of those transported were people who had joined
> unions (ever heard of thee Tolpuddle Martyrs?), or were petty
> criminals, who hardly deserved being sent thousands of miles from
> home on a one-way trip.
How do you know what their crimes were? Petty crimes do not merit permanent
deportation.
> You are clearly also ignorant of the social
> conditions in Georgian England.
What does that mean?
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>
>> It's sad he feels the need to make such comments.
>
> What do you expect, when Dim tells me the Aussie homicide rate is way below
> the US rate. There's a reason: a small group of homicidal beasts commits
> half the murders in the United States.
You really are scum. Ever thought how you might be, if your race had been
dragged wholesale from its native land, enslaved, denigrated, raped,
exploited and treated like dirt for three hundred years?
That's basically what's happened to black people in America. Is it any
wonder many of them become criminals?
And if only half the murders are committed by blacks, who commits the
other half? Why is the other half unimportant? Because they are white?
--
Kier
Kier
Actually, no. Most people *are* murdered by people they know. Very often
their own relations.
--
Kier
DFS
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:28:50 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>
>>> It's sad he feels the need to make such comments.
>>
>> What do you expect, when Dim tells me the Aussie homicide rate is
>> way below the US rate. There's a reason: a small group of homicidal
>> beasts commits half the murders in the United States.
>
> You really are scum. Ever thought how you might be, if your race had
> been dragged wholesale from its native land, enslaved, denigrated,
> raped, exploited and treated like dirt for three hundred years?
Here you go again, using slavery as a perpetual excuse for lowlife behavior,
even when none of the perps were "enslaved, denigrated, raped, exploited and
treated like dirt".
Even rich NFL players are far, far more likely to commit violent and
anti-social crimes than White players. How are you going to excuse these
idiots? (I know you'll find a way)
Fact is, EVERY black country I know of is a hotbed of crime and homicide.
> That's basically what's happened to black people in America. Is it any
> wonder many of them become criminals?
>
> And if only half the murders are committed by blacks, who commits the
> other half? Why is the other half unimportant? Because they are white?
Who said anything about unimportant? Dim Fairchild needed to understand why
the homicide rate here is higher than it should be.
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:24:50 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Kier wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>>>>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>>>>
>>>> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
>>>
>>> Just telling it like it is.
>>
>> Wrong. The morons were those who imported the innocent blacks as
>> slaves.
>
> I'll agree they were moronic for importing blacks - it's by far the worst
> mistake made in American history.
It was a crime, not a mistake. Or do you condone slavery?
>
>
>
>>>> You have no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia.
>>>
>>> It's a FACT the first European settlers to Australia were convicted
>>> British criminals. You limeys also sent a bunch of your scum to
>>> America.
>>
>> It's a fact that many of those transported were people who had joined
>> unions (ever heard of thee Tolpuddle Martyrs?), or were petty
>> criminals, who hardly deserved being sent thousands of miles from
>> home on a one-way trip.
>
> How do you know what their crimes were? Petty crimes do not merit permanent
> deportation.
I read history books, for a start. In that period you could be *hanged*
never mind transported, for stealing a couple of silk handkerchiefs or a
loaf of bread.
>
>
>
>> You are clearly also ignorant of the social
>> conditions in Georgian England.
>
> What does that mean?
It means you have no idea what kind of people you are calling scum.
--
Kier
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:28:50 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Kier wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's sad he feels the need to make such comments.
>>>
>>> What do you expect, when Dim tells me the Aussie homicide rate is
>>> way below the US rate. There's a reason: a small group of homicidal
>>> beasts commits half the murders in the United States.
>>
>> You really are scum. Ever thought how you might be, if your race had
>> been dragged wholesale from its native land, enslaved, denigrated,
>> raped, exploited and treated like dirt for three hundred years?
>
> Here you go again, using slavery as a perpetual excuse for lowlife behavior,
> even when none of the perps were "enslaved, denigrated, raped, exploited and
> treated like dirt".
Sure about that? The Civil Rights movement is barely 45 years old. The
very fact that you type an entire race as criminals and 'perps' shows
exactly what I'm talking about. You're still treating them and thinking
of them as slaves. Within living memory, there have been cases when a
black teenager has been murdered by whites merely for looking at a white
women, or whistling his appreciation of her. But that's okay by you, I
suppose, because he's just black scum, right?
>
> Even rich NFL players are far, far more likely to commit violent and
> anti-social crimes than White players. How are you going to excuse these
> idiots? (I know you'll find a way)
>
> Fact is, EVERY black country I know of is a hotbed of crime and homicide.
And just about every black country was screwed by whites.
>
>
>
>> That's basically what's happened to black people in America. Is it any
>> wonder many of them become criminals?
>>
>> And if only half the murders are committed by blacks, who commits the
>> other half? Why is the other half unimportant? Because they are white?
>
> Who said anything about unimportant? Dim Fairchild needed to understand why
> the homicide rate here is higher than it should be.
So, doesn't the other half contribute to the higher rate? Or do only black
murders count?
--
Kier
Tim Fairchild
It's there in the same stats that were quoted.
Have you got your little colour card to carry with you? How black is too
black, DFS?
Tim Fairchild
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Kier wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>>>>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>>>>
>>>> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
>>>
>>> Just telling it like it is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> You have no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia.
>>>
>>> It's a FACT the first European settlers to Australia were convicted
>>> British
>>> criminals. You limeys also sent a bunch of your scum to America.
>>
>> And your family goes back to all those European lines.
>
> German, actually.
And the rest. You know you are a complete mongrel in there, eh.
>> Must hurt, eh?
>
> I didn't really know them too well - before my time, you understand.
It's still there.
>> Then all humans came out of Africa anyway.
>
> This is true. But the ones that remained behind...
You can just feel that African blood pumping inside, eh :)
Tim Fairchild
> Kier wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:24:50 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Kier wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aussies always were a criminal bunch...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
>>>>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
>>>>
>>>> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
>>>
>>> Just telling it like it is.
>>
>> Wrong. The morons were those who imported the innocent blacks as
>> slaves.
>
> I'll agree they were moronic for importing blacks - it's by far the worst
> mistake made in American history.
Moronic for importing them as slaves, sure. Of course they would still be
there as free immigrants today anyway, as all races are throughout the
world, but it would be without that history of hate and violence against
them.
>>>> You have no idea what kind of people were transported to Australia.
>>>
>>> It's a FACT the first European settlers to Australia were convicted
>>> British criminals. You limeys also sent a bunch of your scum to
>>> America.
>>
>> It's a fact that many of those transported were people who had joined
>> unions (ever heard of thee Tolpuddle Martyrs?), or were petty
>> criminals, who hardly deserved being sent thousands of miles from
>> home on a one-way trip.
>
> How do you know what their crimes were? Petty crimes do not merit
> permanent deportation.
History is full of examples of people being deported for very little reason,
such as the deportation of Jews out of England.
But it doesn't have much to do with the reality that the vast majority of
settlers in Australia and the US came there of their own free will rather
than as criminals.
>> You are clearly also ignorant of the social
>> conditions in Georgian England.
>
> What does that mean?
What it says.
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>> German, actually.
>
> And the rest. You know you are a complete mongrel in there, eh.
I look like a purebred: light brown hair, light blue eyes, aquiline
features.
>> This is true. But the ones that remained behind...
>
> You can just feel that African blood pumping inside, eh :)
nice of you to remind me... you cruel bastard... :)
Hey, that reminds me: why didn't you marry an Abo woman?
John A. Bailo
> I look like a purebred:
Pure shit is more like it.
--
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updated 1/13/07 http://antimeme.blogspot.com/
new; not ready: http://HydrogenPark.blogspot.com, copyright John A. Bailo,
2007.
John A. Bailo
> Here you go again, using slavery as a perpetual excuse for lowlife
Microsoft is run by white guys, and yet its value is half of what it was in
1999.
That's ten years of the best white management to get a new product out,
catch a technology curve and maybe save the company.
But, nope. Not one intelligent thought there...
John A. Bailo
> I'll agree they were moronic for importing blacks
Wait a minute. If white people are so great, why did they have spend money
to sail people from other countries, to come here and do their work for
them?
It's sort of like Microsoft paying consultants because the employees are too
lazy to do their jobs any more..
And why aren't white people colonized or enslaved? I mean, maybe it's
because their too useless and no one wants what they giving.
Tim Fairchild
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:28:50 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>
>>> It's sad he feels the need to make such comments.
>>
>> What do you expect, when Dim tells me the Aussie homicide rate is way
>> below
>> the US rate. There's a reason: a small group of homicidal beasts commits
>> half the murders in the United States.
>
> You really are scum. Ever thought how you might be, if your race had been
> dragged wholesale from its native land, enslaved, denigrated, raped,
> exploited and treated like dirt for three hundred years?
>
> That's basically what's happened to black people in America. Is it any
> wonder many of them become criminals?
Especially when even today the racism persists and the opportunities are
reduced, especially in some states.
When a racist sees these statistics, the first thing they want to blame is
the race. That's because they are racist. They don't want to blame their
own white history, or the social situation they've created, or the
distribution of wealth. It's easier to just blame it all on racial origins.
> And if only half the murders are committed by blacks, who commits the
> other half? Why is the other half unimportant? Because they are white?
Statistics tend to get misused as well. While the rate of murders is
disproportionally high (likely due to historical reasons) DFS deliberately
exaggerates it by picking a race AND age group. Say he says 2% of the
population, blacks aged 18-25, commit 50% 0f the felony murders. Of course
the total black population is more like 12%, and even more like 60% in some
states. In New York City it's 27%. So to be fair you would need to know a
lot of other things. Like the felony murder rate for white 18-25 year old.
And the rate for particular states and cities.
There are plenty of ways to look at the results. It appears the rates are
connected to gang and drug activity, and these are symptoms of the racial
and social situation. So it's not surprising the rates are higher for the
black population.
Lots of shooting deaths as well. I guess that gun culture over there isn't
such a great idea...
Tim Fairchild
Ain't that the truth. They have left their mark all though Africa.
Tim Fairchild
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>
>>> German, actually.
>>
>> And the rest. You know you are a complete mongrel in there, eh.
>
> I look like a purebred: light brown hair, light blue eyes, aquiline
> features.
I think we established in the past that you were part of the master race.
You sound very cute. I don't suppose you are going to send a photo?
>>> This is true. But the ones that remained behind...
>>
>> You can just feel that African blood pumping inside, eh :)
>
> nice of you to remind me... you cruel bastard... :)
Hey, no problem. Just trying to be helpful.
> Hey, that reminds me: why didn't you marry an Abo woman?
I grew up with Aboriginal people. Unfortunately my wife got her skin from
the sucky white side and she gets sunburn in moonlight. Ah well.
Tim Fairchild
> DFS wrote:
>
>
>> I'll agree they were moronic for importing blacks
>
> Wait a minute. If white people are so great, why did they have spend
> money to sail people from other countries, to come here and do their work
> for them?
>
> It's sort of like Microsoft paying consultants because the employees are
> too lazy to do their jobs any more..
>
> And why aren't white people colonized or enslaved? I mean, maybe it's
> because their too useless and no one wants what they giving.
White people were so crap they weren't even worth stealing :)
DFS
> I think we established in the past that you were part of the master
> race.
Yes.
> You sound very cute. I don't suppose you are going to send a photo?
I'm a freakin' dollface. No pic available - you'll just have to worship me
from afar.
> I grew up with Aboriginal people. Unfortunately my wife got her skin
> from the sucky white side and she gets sunburn in moonlight. Ah well.
Ah well indeed. Of course, that didn't come close to answering the
question, which answer just might reveal some racism on the Fairchild side
of the family.
Daddy take you on some coon hunts, maybe?
cc
DFS wrote:
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:38:30 -0500, DFS wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tim Fairchild wrote:
> >>>> DFS wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At least the homicide rate is way below the US.
> >>>
> >>> You guys didn't import millions of homicidal morons as slaves. Of
> >>> course, they mostly kill each other, so it's not all bad news...
> >>
> >> Are you naturally a completely insulting tit, or do you practice?
> >> criminals at all. The majority were not murders, either.
> >
> > Petty crime. In the very early days.
>
> Ahhh... crime is petty when Aussies commit it, but I'm lying when I reveal
> the astronomical negroid murder rate in the US. Gotcha.
>
>
>
> > Of course Australia was eventually populated by free settlers and
> > normal voluntary immigration, but we wouldn't want that to get in the
> > way of a good story :)
> >
> > As for the racist stuff... Well isn't that just like our DFS. When he
> > has such a narrow warped view of race, you can hardly take his OS
> > comments too seriously...
>
> It's not racist. It's fact. And it's extremely easy to verify. The
> negroid homicide rate is several multiples of the White homicide rate.
> Remove those brainless animals from the US and it's a much safer, less
> criminal place.
>
> For instance: Washington Post (11/29/98): black males 14-24 make up 2% of
> the United
> States population, but commit 33% of the homicides.
>
> Then read the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, and look at the violent crime
> index.
>
> It's all there. It all happened.
"Negroid"? Jesus Christ.
Tim Fairchild
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>
>> I think we established in the past that you were part of the master
>> race.
>
> Yes.
>
>
>
>> You sound very cute. I don't suppose you are going to send a photo?
>
> I'm a freakin' dollface. No pic available - you'll just have to worship
> me from afar.
Awe, come on. Just a little one. Maybe one of the dogs.
>> I grew up with Aboriginal people. Unfortunately my wife got her skin
>> from the sucky white side and she gets sunburn in moonlight. Ah well.
>
> Ah well indeed. Of course, that didn't come close to answering the
> question, which answer just might reveal some racism on the Fairchild side
> of the family.
Hell, the Fairchild family is full of racists. They're assholes, what can I
say. Not all, of course, and some have married interracial. That's to a
black. Scary, huh.
As for here, the Aboriginal population is quite low. So I suppose my chances
of ending up with snow white was somewhat higher.
John A. Bailo
> I'm a freakin' dollface. No pic available - you'll just have to worship
> me from afar.
>
In other words you're a scud.
Tim Fairchild
Hey, its okay, I already know about the gun culture and the racial and slave
history. So you guys created a drug and gang culture as well. Sounds like
fun.
But he's right, since almost half the murders are caused by blacks the fact
remains that the majority are committed by whites. And the rate of white
only murder still appears way higher than here or the UK.
You really need to stop shooting each other, guys. At least I don't think
you are in the top ten for murder rate yet... (well, #6 in totals)
Only #24 per capita... Hey, you're doing great.
DFS
> DFS wrote:
> Hell, the Fairchild family is full of racists.
Ahhh... now we're getting somewhere.
> They're assholes, what
> can I say. Not all, of course,
Of course not. You're no asshole - you're an "advocate".
> and some have married interracial.
> That's to a black. Scary, huh.
Very.
> As for here, the Aboriginal population is quite low. So I suppose my
> chances of ending up with snow white was somewhat higher.
But you just said you grew up with Aboriginals? I'm thinking Daddy had a
talk with you one night.
John A. Bailo
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>
>
>> Hell, the Fairchild family is full of racists.
>
> Ahhh... now we're getting somewhere.
Yeah...morons breed in large numbers.
Tim Fairchild
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>
>
>> Hell, the Fairchild family is full of racists.
>
> Ahhh... now we're getting somewhere.
Racists are assholes, even when related.
>> They're assholes, what
>> can I say. Not all, of course,
>
> Of course not. You're no asshole - you're an "advocate".
Why thanks.
>> and some have married interracial.
>> That's to a black. Scary, huh.
>
> Very.
Only for some.
>> As for here, the Aboriginal population is quite low. So I suppose my
>> chances of ending up with snow white was somewhat higher.
>
> But you just said you grew up with Aboriginals?
Indeed, a family of them lived on the property. But they didn't happen to
have a daughter my age. Or any daughter at all for that matter.
DFS
> Racists are assholes, even when related.
How very judgemental and prejudiced of you. Of course you've been going
along with their racism your entire life - here on cola you pretend to be
righteous, but in real life, at family get-togethers, you're laughing along
with their jokes and putdowns of abos.
Am I right?
>> Of course not. You're no asshole - you're an "advocate".
>
> Why thanks.
You're alright by me, Dim... but that wasn't a compliment.
> Indeed, a family of them lived on the property.
Whoa! They worked in exchange for rent and food? This is getting
interesting, Massa Fairchild.
Kier
There is an author, Jared Diamond, whose books explain a great deal about
the reasons for whites apparently being more successful, etc, than
blacks. In fact, there have been many very successful black nations in the
past. It's all about resources and environment, nothing to do with race at
all. DFS should read tehm, he might learn something.
--
Kier
'Collapse', and 'Guns, Germs and Steel' are two real eye-openers.
Kier
Yup. cc, meet DFS.
--
Kier
Tim Fairchild
> Tim Fairchild wrote:
>
>> Racists are assholes, even when related.
>
> How very judgemental and prejudiced of you. Of course you've been going
> along with their racism your entire life - here on cola you pretend to be
> righteous, but in real life, at family get-togethers, you're laughing
> along with their jokes and putdowns of abos.
Actually I'm not fussed on racist and sexist jokes. I dislike racism, and
I've dropped several 'friends' because of their poor attitudes. That should
be some good ammo for a comeback line.
>>> Of course not. You're no asshole - you're an "advocate".
>>
>> Why thanks.
>
> You're alright by me, Dim... but that wasn't a compliment.
Ah, course it was, mate.
>> Indeed, a family of them lived on the property.
>
> Whoa! They worked in exchange for rent and food? This is getting
> interesting, Massa Fairchild.
They were caretakers for many years before we moved to live here. Before
that he worked for my father in an earthmoving business. I spent a lot of
weekends and holidays out here when they lived here.
chrisv
>On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:20:25 -0500, DFS wrote:
Feed the troll. Feed the troll. Feed the troll.
chrisv
> It's the mortgage company, county tax assessor and home/health insurance
> companies that are ripping me off. Borrow $200K for a home at 6.5%.
> Over 30 years you'll pay well over a half million for it. It places the
> mugger who ran off with $50 and a couple credit cards -- that you
> immediately cancel -- into the chump change category.
Ummm... 6.5% is a pretty cheap price to borrow your way into a nice home
immediately and not have to wait 20 years to save up to pay cash.
Also, have you considered that the house that you pay "well over a half
million" for will likely sell for "well over a half million"? So, your
cost to live in the house all those years is what?
And let's not forget the tax benefits of deducting mortgage interest.
Home ownership is subsidized by the government, dude. It's a sweet deal.
There's plenty of scumbags out there in the business world, but harping
about having to take-out a mortgage to buy a nice home is just
wrong-headed.
chrisv
> It's unclear what banks do when lending, other than to sustain landless
> oppression among the masses -- by penalizing the poor for not having
> money (borrowing interest), rewarding the rich for having money (savings
> interest and CD's), and skimming off the difference.
You are whacked. Letting others borrow your money, or acting for a broker
between those who have it and those who want to borrow it, does have value
worth being compensated for, whether you can see it or not.
chrisv
>> Fact is, EVERY black country I know of is a hotbed of crime and homicide.
>
> And just about every black country was screwed by whites.
Well, it isn't "whitey's fault" that Africa is in the state that it is...
Paul Bramscher
> Paul Bramscher wrote:
>
>> It's the mortgage company, county tax assessor and home/health insurance
>> companies that are ripping me off. Borrow $200K for a home at 6.5%.
>> Over 30 years you'll pay well over a half million for it. It places the
>> mugger who ran off with $50 and a couple credit cards -- that you
>> immediately cancel -- into the chump change category.
>
> Ummm... 6.5% is a pretty cheap price to borrow your way into a nice home
> immediately and not have to wait 20 years to save up to pay cash.
If people would pool together and resist the "opportunity" to embark on
30 years of indentured servitude, the prices would fall accordingly, the
market would adjust, and no lending would be necessary.
As was the case at most points in human history.
Indeed, until people were forced off their tribal/community/family lands
by warfare, kings, or Caesar, they essentially enjoyed a guaranteed
right to physical square footage, and need only concern themselves with
building it.
> Home ownership is subsidized by the government, dude. It's a sweet deal.
Ownership? What the fuck? You don't "own" the home until you make your
last payment. I take it you're either over 60 years old, or are
independently wealthy?
> There's plenty of scumbags out there in the business world, but harping
> about having to take-out a mortgage to buy a nice home is just
> wrong-headed.
$200K here in Minnesota gets you a fixer-upper, not a nice home. I've
personally learned drywall, carpentry, replaced windows, sliding doors,
insulated my attic, ad nauseum. You want a nice home here, you better
fork out about 4-5 times the average regional salary.
Is there no such thing as predation or usury in your book? What's the
cut-off? 6 times your salary to get an average home? 7? Or is it all
a "sweet deal"? If none of this has crossed your mind, I take it that
money has never been much of an obstacle for you?
Paul Bramscher
When does that border on usury? I'm curious at what point you say X% is
ok, and Y% is scandalous. What's your figure?
Paul Bramscher
> chrisv wrote:
>> Paul Bramscher wrote:
>>
>>> It's the mortgage company, county tax assessor and home/health insurance
>>> companies that are ripping me off. Borrow $200K for a home at 6.5%.
>>> Over 30 years you'll pay well over a half million for it. It places the
>>> mugger who ran off with $50 and a couple credit cards -- that you
>>> immediately cancel -- into the chump change category.
>>
>> Ummm... 6.5% is a pretty cheap price to borrow your way into a nice home
>> immediately and not have to wait 20 years to save up to pay cash.
>
> If people would pool together and resist the "opportunity" to embark on
> 30 years of indentured servitude, the prices would fall accordingly, the
> market would adjust, and no lending would be necessary.
>
> As was the case at most points in human history.
>
> Indeed, until people were forced off their tribal/community/family lands
> by warfare, kings, or Caesar, they essentially enjoyed a guaranteed
> right to physical square footage, and need only concern themselves with
> building it.
>
>> Home ownership is subsidized by the government, dude. It's a sweet deal.
>
> Ownership? What the fuck? You don't "own" the home until you make your
> last payment. I take it you're either over 60 years old, or are
> independently wealthy?
Indeed, if the government wants to subsidize anything, it should just
cut everyone a check to send to the previous land-owner. It would be
more logical monetarily.
There's such a thing as being grateful, and such a thing as being
naively exploited.
Peter Köhlmann
It is. The existing borders in africa were made up by whites
--
Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
you with experience...
chrisv
>chrisv wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>
>>>> Fact is, EVERY black country I know of is a hotbed of crime and
>>>> homicide.
>>>
>>> And just about every black country was screwed by whites.
>>
>> Well, it isn't "whitey's fault" that Africa is in the state that it is...
>
>It is. The existing borders in africa were made up by whites
You think that the majority of their problems are due to where the
borders are?
Tim Fairchild
Unfortunately we have no idea what Africa would be like without the colonial
influence.
It sure doesn't look like they did any good there, that's for sure.
cc
Yes, this is common knowledge.
chrisv
Well, I'm quite trim... I'm a runner. But what's that got to do with
usury?
chrisv
> $200K here in Minnesota gets you a fixer-upper, not a nice home. I've
> personally learned drywall, carpentry, replaced windows, sliding doors,
> insulated my attic, ad nauseum. You want a nice home here, you better
> fork out about 4-5 times the average regional salary.
>
> Is there no such thing as predation or usury in your book? What's the
> cut-off? 6 times your salary to get an average home? 7? Or is it all
> a "sweet deal"? If none of this has crossed your mind, I take it that
> money has never been much of an obstacle for you?
I see that you sniped and did not address my point about borrowing money
to buy an asset that will likely appreciate at approximately the same rate
as your mortgage interest. You also snipped and did not address my point
about government subsidies for mortgagees.
I sympathize with you regarding the affordability of nice homes in your
area, but that is the market. I'll note that many Americans have very
high expectations regarding the standard of living that they "should have"
as the reward for their labor. In any case, when I look around, I see a
lot of regular people living in nice homes. Even if they don't pay off
their mortgage until they are 60 years old, they still seem to be doing
all right.
Tim Smith
Paul Bramscher <brams00...@umn.edu> wrote:
> It's the mortgage company, county tax assessor and home/health insurance
> companies that are ripping me off. Borrow $200K for a home at 6.5%.
> Over 30 years you'll pay well over a half million for it. It places the
> mugger who ran off with $50 and a couple credit cards -- that you
> immediately cancel -- into the chump change category.
Unless the mortgage company grabbed you and forced you at gunpoint into
the mortgage, there is a fundamental difference in the two transactions
given above.
--
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > $200K here in Minnesota gets you a fixer-upper, not a nice home. I've
> > personally learned drywall, carpentry, replaced windows, sliding doors,
> > insulated my attic, ad nauseum. You want a nice home here, you better
> > fork out about 4-5 times the average regional salary.
> I sympathize with you regarding the affordability of nice homes in your
> area, but that is the market. I'll note that many Americans have very
> high expectations regarding the standard of living that they "should have"
> as the reward for their labor. In any case, when I look around, I see a
> lot of regular people living in nice homes. Even if they don't pay off
> their mortgage until they are 60 years old, they still seem to be doing
> all right.
I think he's exaggerating a little bit about the state of housing there.
At least for the major cities in Minnesota, they've got pretty good
coverage on zillow.com, and looking around there, there seems to be a
lot of places that have decent specs around $200k. It's hard to believe
that they are all fixer-uppers.
(zillow.com is really cool, by the way).
--
--Tim Smith