ID Software Abandoning Linux...
Moshe Goldfarb
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244727
***********************
> Dear Mr Carmack, I am just wondering if the graphics renderer for
> Rage is still
> built using OpenGL 3.* as a target? Will id still port to Linux if
> user numbers are
> small or not as big as say Mac OS or Windows?
>
> Gratzi,
> naikon89
The PC and Mac versions are still OpenGL 2.x.
We are not currently scheduling native linux ports. It isn't
out of the
question, but I don't think we will be able to justify the work.
If
there are hundreds of thousands of linux users playing Quake
Live when
we are done with Rage, that would certainly influence our
decision...
John Carmack
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Oh yea, here is the Linux Freetards solution:
http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/irc-log-24082009.html
trmanco more people need to start playing quake live Aug 24
21:39
trmanco linux people Aug 24 21:39
trmanco or at least hit the website once a day Aug 24 21:40
trmanco http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244727 Aug 24
21:40
schestowitz Does wget count? Aug 24 21:41
schestowitz We could do cron jobs ;-) j/kj Aug 24 21:41
Ezekiel
"Moshe Goldfarb" <mosheg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:h710k1$oae$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> So where is Schestowitz reporting the news?
Schestowitz doesn't do much "reporting" - it's more like lying.
Sounds about right. Skew the results and give the false impression that
there's lots of Linux users by running cron jobs to do a wget.
I took a long weekend and made a trip out to Chicago to visit some friends.
While waiting to board the plane and during the flight there isn't much to
do other than to listen to music and look around so I did a quick survey to
see what OS people were running on their computers. The people with Macs
were obviously running OSX and every PC that I saw was running a version of
Windows.
Scientific survey? Definitely not. But there were lots of people at O'Hare
and on the flight and I saw plenty of laptops. Not a single one was running
Linux. Not even one. These Schestowitz types can post all of the crap they
want about Linux usage but out in the real world it just isn't there.
Moshe Goldfarb
I travel a lot, maybe 2 or 3 times a month, and my experiences
are much the same.
I spend a lot of time in airports waiting for planes, in hotel
lounges relaxing and so forth and I see Linux no place.
Even the Kiosks for JetBlue run Windows :)
Mostly Mac and Windows.
Schestowitz and his collection of loonies can talk it up about
Linux all they want, but the user base is just not there.
Linux should stick to servers and embedded devices.
Linux is never going to make it on the desktop in any numbers
that count.
All indications point to it forever remaining a niche desktop
OS.
It would take a miracle of some sort to change that.
Tim Smith
Moshe Goldfarb <mosheg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[id not planning Linux port, although if a lot of Linux users play Quake
Live, that might change their mind]
> Oh yea, here is the Linux Freetards solution:
>
> http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/irc-log-24082009.html
>
> trmanco more people need to start playing quake live Aug 24
> 21:39
> trmanco linux people Aug 24 21:39
> trmanco or at least hit the website once a day Aug 24 21:40
> trmanco http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244727 Aug 24
> 21:40
> schestowitz Does wget count? Aug 24 21:41
> schestowitz We could do cron jobs ;-) j/kj Aug 24 21:41
The funny thing is, even if it were ported, they probably wouldn't play
it, because it would not run on "free" systems. In a followup exchange
with the person who asked about the Linux port, there was this:
> Ok, it must be alot more difficult to port
> than older id software games :(
Yes, it is. The codebase is much, much larger, and the graphics
technology pushes a lot of paths that are not usually optimized. It
probably wouldn't be all that bad to get it running on the nvidia
binary drivers, but the chance of it working correctly and
acceptably anywhere else would be small. If you are restricted to
it only working on the closed source drivers, you might as well boot
into windows and get the fully tested and tuned experience...
John Carmack
--
--Tim Smith
chrisv
>The funny thing is, even if it were ported, they probably wouldn't play
>it, because it would not run on "free" systems.
Who is "they", Timmy? Many of us have no problem with using the
Nvidia binary driver.
Moshe Goldfarb
Good, because that means there is still hope for you chrisv.
Rick
So, your are saying there is hope for people that use the nVidia
drivers... careful now... you have no idea who's using those drivers.
... and maybe, just maybe, some of those people think they are in the
position of "needing hope".
--
Rick
JEDIDIAH
Once you've commited to PAY for what Id wants to sell you then
you've already "wandered off the reservation" anyways. If Id wants
to create a product that requires per card tuning that is certainly
their perogative. This is a PITA in general and is something that
occurs regardless of platform.
There are Macs that aren't "suitable" for Apple's own applications
and acceleration APIs. Dealing with the quirks of particular video cards
on Windows is a well established problem.
What took him so long to complain?
--
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hours of DV video then you obviously haven't used iMovie either. / | \
Tim Smith
chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
[idiocy deleted]
If you have a legitimate question, I might answer. But when all you did
was snip out part of my post, and then ask a question whose answer is in
that part you snipped out, that's not a legitimate question.
--
--Tim Smith
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:52:23 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:50:42 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> Timmy wrote:
>>>
>>>>The funny thing is, even if it were ported, they probably wouldn't play
>>>>it, because it would not run on "free" systems.
>>>
>>> Who is "they", Timmy? Many of us have no problem with using the Nvidia
>>> binary driver.
>>
>> Good, because that means there is still hope for you chrisv.
Laughable patronizing tone.
Prototypical flatfish.
> So, your are saying there is hope for people that use the nVidia
> drivers... careful now... you have no idea who's using those drivers.
>
> ... and maybe, just maybe, some of those people think they are in the
> position of "needing hope".
--
Anyone who has had a bull by the tail knows five or six more things
than someone who hasn't.
-- Mark Twain
DFS
Pitiful, but that's how Linux slimeballs work. I'm quite sure that 1% on
marketshare.hitslink.com is way overstated by little-boy tricks like the
above.
> I took a long weekend and made a trip out to Chicago to visit some
> friends. While waiting to board the plane and during the flight there
> isn't much to do other than to listen to music and look around so I
> did a quick survey to see what OS people were running on their
> computers. The people with Macs were obviously running OSX and every
> PC that I saw was running a version of Windows.
>
> Scientific survey? Definitely not. But there were lots of people at
> O'Hare and on the flight and I saw plenty of laptops. Not a single
> one was running Linux. Not even one. These Schestowitz types can post
> all of the crap they want about Linux usage but out in the real world
> it just isn't there.
I've never seen Linux on a user system in public. Not one time in my life.
And I expect never to, in the remaining 65 years I have left (being
optimistic!)
DFS
Linux "advocate$" are such opportunistic freeloaders: scam the software and
pretend you use Linux because of its "freedom", but immediately abandon that
stance when it becomes the slightest bit inconvenient.
Such a "community".
Moshe Goldfarb
It won't work.
The TeamOS2 people tried it many years ago and it failed.
History has a way of repeating itself.
>
>
>> I took a long weekend and made a trip out to Chicago to visit some
>> friends. While waiting to board the plane and during the flight there
>> isn't much to do other than to listen to music and look around so I
>> did a quick survey to see what OS people were running on their
>> computers. The people with Macs were obviously running OSX and every
>> PC that I saw was running a version of Windows.
>>
>> Scientific survey? Definitely not. But there were lots of people at
>> O'Hare and on the flight and I saw plenty of laptops. Not a single
>> one was running Linux. Not even one. These Schestowitz types can post
>> all of the crap they want about Linux usage but out in the real world
>> it just isn't there.
>
> I've never seen Linux on a user system in public. Not one time in my life.
> And I expect never to, in the remaining 65 years I have left (being
> optimistic!)
I see Linux virtually no place on the desktop.
Best I can say is some point of sale terminals for which Linux
is a good alternative.
Moshe Goldfarb
Yep.
Linux is the kernel.
Linux isn't the kernel.
Depends upon the context of the debate.
Linux advocacy is such a complete fraud.
Hadron
Unbelievable.
Here's another option : buy their fucking games....
Holy cow.
Loki anyone?
Hadron
One of the most talented and gifter engine and game developers in
history who tried to support Linux is clearly now a "Wintard".
Hey! Where is 7? Didnt he claim that Linux offers X x the frame rates?
Where's Jeb and his claims that Linux runs "cutting edge" games?
I could cry.
I *really* thought 2 years ago that we had a chance. Result? more half
assed distros and little, if any, real work to bring the people who
matter into the Linux fold,
Hadron
> On 2009-08-26, Moshe Goldfarb <mosheg...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:50:42 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> Timmy wrote:
>>>
>>>>The funny thing is, even if it were ported, they probably wouldn't play
>>>>it, because it would not run on "free" systems.
>>>
>>> Who is "they", Timmy? Many of us have no problem with using the
>>> Nvidia binary driver.
>>
>> Good, because that means there is still hope for you chrisv.
>
> Once you've commited to PAY for what Id wants to sell you then
> you've already "wandered off the reservation" anyways. If Id wants
> to create a product that requires per card tuning that is certainly
> their perogative. This is a PITA in general and is something that
> occurs regardless of platform.
Do you ever stop and read the garbage you write? Do you?
It really is pitiful.
Of *course* they do "per card" tuning because people have the *choice*
to use different cards and ID, in their desire for their paying
customers to enjoy their SW, try to accommodate them.
Goblin
Not a gamer so this does not interest me. Could it be that Linux users
don't waste time with games and instead use their machines for
productivity or could it simply be that with piracy and consoles the PC
gaming market is shrinking and the only noticable userbase is with
Windows...
Dual boot? Wine? There are other options available to anyone that cares.
Moshe for (IMO) you spend alot of time looking through IRC logs only to
quote 1 or 2 lines...strange you would go to so much trouble. I would
say you are fixated with Roy, but then I believe it goes far deeper than
that...
I know I havent posted here for a week or so, so I expect you have much
infantile abuse you wish to post now...please feel free.
--
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Rick
(snip)
>
> I see Linux virtually no place on the desktop. Best I can say is some
> point of sale terminals for which Linux is a good alternative.
or... being used on the desktops of city employees, or schools, or
companies, or people... as it is being used now.
--
Rick
Rick
No, it isn't.
--
Rick
Lusotec
> Not a gamer so this does not interest me. Could it be that Linux users
> don't waste time with games and instead use their machines for
> productivity or could it simply be that with piracy and consoles the PC
> gaming market is shrinking and the only noticable userbase is with
> Windows...
OpenGL is used for more than just games. Programming, data visualization,
modelling, etc bennefit from good OpenGL performance and quality drivers.
> Dual boot? Wine? There are other options available to anyone that cares.
There are alternatives but native support is better, at least for my gaming
habits.
Regards.
chrisv
> [evasion and whining]
Poor Timmy. The fact that you chose to snip 'n whine shows that my
question drove straight to the heart of your idiocy, like a
laser-guided missle.
Yours was a clumsy attempt to marginalize advocates of choice and fair
competition as radicals who will not use any software that is not open
source. Most of us do not feel that way, Timmy.
Lusotec
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244727
>
>> Dear Mr Carmack, I am just wondering if the graphics renderer for
>> Rage is still built using OpenGL 3.* as a target? Will id still port to
>> Linux if user numbers are small or not as big as say Mac OS or Windows?
>
>
> We are not currently scheduling native linux ports. It isn't
> out of the question, but I don't think we will be able to justify the
> work. If there are hundreds of thousands of linux users playing Quake
> Live when we are done with Rage, that would certainly influence our
> decision...
>
> John Carmack
I'm have been a big fan of ID Software games, ever since Wolfenstein. I
bought Doom III, Quake IV and Quake Wars for GNU/Linux and enjoy them
frequently.
Most of my current gaming fix tends to be during work hours. When I need to
clear my head, I fire up some game and vent some steam for 10 or 15
minutes. Quake Wars and Wolfenstein Enemy Territory are at the top of my
list of 'steam vents'. Shutting down Linux and booting in to Windows to
fire some shoots would take too much time and would not work for me.
I hope ID Software continues to make native GNU/Linux games but if they
don't they will probably loose me as a frequent customer.
Regards.
DFS
> Not a gamer so this does not interest me. Could it be that Linux
> users don't waste time with games and instead use their machines for
> productivity
Productivity is the last thing desktop Linux users care about or ever
attain; Linux is all about tinkering and updating and compiling and
rearranging and testing and configuring.
Moshe Goldfarb
The cheap Linux users have sunk themselves once again.
Moshe Goldfarb
Yea, 7 and Jeb seem to have run to hills.
The fact is, the cheap Linux community doesn't support the games
by purchasing them so the companies can't afford to produce
them.
Tim Smith
chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
[usual idiocy]
When someone quotes a conversation between two people, X and Y, on
subject Z, and then immediately after says something about "they" and
subject Z, anyone with normal reading skills and an IQ above 80 can
figure out that "they" is X and Y.
For example:
> trmanco more people need to start playing quake live Aug 24
> 21:39
> trmanco linux people Aug 24 21:39
> trmanco or at least hit the website once a day Aug 24 21:40
> trmanco http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244727 Aug 24
> 21:40
> schestowitz Does wget count? Aug 24 21:41
> schestowitz We could do cron jobs ;-) j/kj Aug 24 21:41
The funny thing is, even if it were ported, they probably wouldn't
play it, because it would not run on "free" systems. In a followup
exchange
The meaning of that "they" is clear and unambiguous, so which of the
following applies to you?
1. Subnormal reading skill.
2. IQ below 80.
3. You knew exactly who "they" were, but snipped the conversation when
you quoted my post, in order to deliberately mislead.
--
--Tim Smith
chrisv
> [verbose garbage, mostly unread]
Poor Timmy. It's been a long time since I've seen such a pathetic
attempt to bullshit one's way out of one's predicament with verbose,
irrelevant idiocy. A quick glance showed *nothing* relevant the
argument.
Do you think it's clever to constantly snip and ignore my arguments,
Timmy?
You've been busted, again, for trolling dishonestly, Timmy.
JEDIDIAH
Something else to consider is the fact that FPS is no longer the
"flavor of the month" in gaming. The industry has been about more
than just that for awhile. The big thing now is online.
Id represents one particular genre that a lot of Linux users might
not have gravitated to to begin with.
[deletia]
That's not even getting to the whole PC vs Console thing.
--
Oracle... can't live with it... |||
/ | \
can't just replace it with postgres...
JEDIDIAH
...total bullshit of course.
Id doesn't accomodate anyone. People accomodate Id. Id pushes the
technology and obsoletes most everyone's gear. So everyone buy's new
gear to keep up. You would have us believe that Id spends any time or
effort on the vast bulk of fairly obsolete (especially by Lemming
standards) video cards.
The market leaders already have vendor supported binary drivers on Linux.
Rick
Honesty is the last thing DFS cares about, and probably never attains.
--
Rick
Rick
The fact is you have no basis for your statement. You have no way of
knowing whether Linux users use Wine, or consoles, or Windows machines.
--
Rick
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:06:39 -0400, DFS wrote:
I hope he's honest with his clients, at least.
--
Q: What do you call a principal female opera singer whose high C
is lower than those of other principal female opera singers?
A: A deep C diva.
Hadron
What have I told you about talking about games and making yourself look
even more clueless? Most FPS games DO play online.
>
> Id represents one particular genre that a lot of Linux users might
> not have gravitated to to begin with.
>
> [deletia]
>
> That's not even getting to the whole PC vs Console thing.
WTF are you talking about? The BEST performances for modern games are on
modern PC HW. You have ZERO idea about what they can do so do not
pretend you do.
Hadron
Listen up Jed, you know nothing. Companies like ID do a LOT of testing
on different cards. They have card specific pipelines in their engines
quite frequently.
Now, stop talking about things you have no idea about.
JEDIDIAH
JEDIDIAH
That doesn't negate what I just said really.
> quite frequently.
>
> Now, stop talking about things you have no idea about.
You're really great at spinning your wheels.
William Poaster
> On 2009-08-26, Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>> Now, stop talking about things you have no idea about.
Coming from the Hadron M$ fanboi troll, that's funny!
> You're really great at spinning your wheels.
>
--
Blessed is the M$ end-user who expects nothing, for ye shall not be
disappointed.
Digital Tipping Point
http://www.archive.org/details/proof_of_concept_four_mins.mpg
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:39:25 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> Oh yea, here is the Linux Freetards solution:
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1244727 Aug 24 21:40
> schestowitz Does wget count? Aug 24 21:41 schestowitz
We could do cron
> jobs ;-) j/kj Aug 24 21:41
From this we'll simply have to conclude you're not smart enough to figure
out that the smiley face indicates he was being humourous. When the
light goes on for you - if it ever does - let us know.
High Plains Thumper
> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>
>> drivel]
>
> From this we'll simply have to conclude you're not smart
> enough to figure out that the smiley face indicates he was
> being humourous. When the light goes on for you - if it ever
> does - let us know.
I don't think anybody is home in that brain of his.
--
HPT
Moshe Goldfarb
That's classic Schestowitz.
He does that to fool people into thinking he is just jesting.
He is not.