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John Bailo

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May 3, 2007, 6:58:34 PM5/3/07
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Who won...agp or pci?

I have a agp card...but my friend told me pci was taking over.

However, researching into buying motherboards I see alot still have a
slot only for agp or for pci and agp.

I'm very happy with my current agp card.

spi...@freenet.co.uk

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May 3, 2007, 9:45:57 PM5/3/07
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John Bailo <jab...@texeme.com> did eloquently scribble:

> Who won...agp or pci?

> I have a agp card...but my friend told me pci was taking over.

Um...
PCI has been around for over a decade!
It's the standard slot. For video, it's extremely limited hence the need for
AGP.

If you're going to ask these questions you really need to get the
terminology right.

PCI-X is what you mean.
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Ramon F Herrera

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May 3, 2007, 9:55:17 PM5/3/07
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AGP was born with great hope, but it is already on its way to
extinction. PCI-X is much faster.

-Ramon


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Hadron Quark

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May 4, 2007, 9:07:14 AM5/4/07
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Aunty Diluvian <AuntyD...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Fri, 04 May 2007 01:45:57 GMT, spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>
>>John Bailo <jab...@texeme.com> did eloquently scribble:
>>
>>> Who won...agp or pci?
>>
>>> I have a agp card...but my friend told me pci was taking over.
>>
>>Um...
>>PCI has been around for over a decade!
>>It's the standard slot. For video, it's extremely limited hence the need for
>>AGP.
>>
>>If you're going to ask these questions you really need to get the
>>terminology right.
>>
>>PCI-X is what you mean.
>

> You are such a pedantic little prick.
> If you knew what he was talking about why didn't you just
> answer the question or go on about your business?
>

Because he's a pedantic little prick? He also has a degree in CS which
you will be aware of from this .sig

Also, no one calls it PCI-X even though that's the "official " shortening
of the much more commonly used "PCI Express".

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Hadron Quark

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May 4, 2007, 9:19:04 AM5/4/07
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Actually, no. Still there are very few PCI-Express cards which make any
noticable differences - even in SLI mode.

AGP has proven to be a game contender and the major card manufacturers
are still releasing newer improved AGP models.

>
> -Ramon
>
>

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Gordon

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May 4, 2007, 10:37:09 AM5/4/07
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spiketard wrote:

> John Bailo <jab...@texeme.com> did eloquently scribble:
>
>> Who won...agp or pci?
>
>> I have a agp card...but my friend told me pci was taking over.
>
> Um...
> PCI has been around for over a decade!
> It's the standard slot. For video, it's extremely limited hence the need
> for AGP.
>
> If you're going to ask these questions you really need to get the
> terminology right.
>
> PCI-X is what you mean.


No, it is not what he means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI-X

"PCI-X is often confused with PCI-Express, commonly abbreviated as PCI-E or
PCIe. While they are both high-speed computer buses for internal
peripherals, they differ in many ways. The first is that PCI-X is a
parallel interface that is directly backward compatible with all but the
oldest (5 volt) PCI devices. PCIe is a serial bus that offers no
compatibility with older buses."

Jim

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May 4, 2007, 11:06:04 AM5/4/07
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John Bailo came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard a moment ago
in comp.os.linux.advocacy:

I'm guessing you mean pci-express. Yes, it is taking over.
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Hadron Quark

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May 4, 2007, 11:30:53 AM5/4/07
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Gordon <as...@fdsa.c0m> writes:

heh. I knew there was something fishy there in my reply when I pointed
out that its never known as PCI-X but rather as PCI-Express - I had just
assumed Andrew was at least half right. Silly me.

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Dean G.

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May 4, 2007, 1:12:07 PM5/4/07
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In terms of speed, AGP is faster than plain PCI, while PCI-x and PCI-e
can be faster, but even that depends upon the implementation.

For bandwidth comparisons, check :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths

On the other hand, PCI-e is winning the marketing war. For now, if you
are happy with your graphic card's perfomance, there is no reason to
upgrade. Also, very few boards support both AGP and PCI-e, so when and
if you do upgrade, you will need to consider more than just the card.

Dean G.

John Bailo

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May 4, 2007, 2:23:56 PM5/4/07
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Jim wrote:

> I'm guessing you mean pci-express. Yes, it is taking over.

Yes I mean pci-express (sorry to those who were confused, but I assumed
that anyone who would try to participate in this thread would make that
assumption).

Are you sure it is taking over?

The evidence against that I presented is in new motherboards still
offering only AGP and/or two slots, PCI-Express and AGP.

Sounds like some are saying AGP is still superior, if done right, and
PCI-Express is just a lockin scam.

Hadron Quark

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May 4, 2007, 2:27:31 PM5/4/07
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John Bailo <jab...@texeme.com> writes:

AGP is never superior. But it is fairly competitive for the older
technology. One benefit of PCI-Express is that there are better SLI
solutions.

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tha...@tux.glaci.remove-this.com

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May 4, 2007, 7:01:43 PM5/4/07
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I recently built up a new system with a motherboard having only PCI
Express and no AGP. I've still got the box around here somewhere if
you are really curious.

Thad

owl

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May 7, 2007, 11:26:09 PM5/7/07
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Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Aunty Diluvian <AuntyD...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 04 May 2007 01:45:57 GMT, spi...@freenet.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>>John Bailo <jab...@texeme.com> did eloquently scribble:
>>>
>>>> Who won...agp or pci?
>>>
>>>> I have a agp card...but my friend told me pci was taking over.
>>>
>>>Um...
>>>PCI has been around for over a decade!
>>>It's the standard slot. For video, it's extremely limited hence the need for
>>>AGP.
>>>
>>>If you're going to ask these questions you really need to get the
>>>terminology right.
>>>
>>>PCI-X is what you mean.
>>
>> You are such a pedantic little prick.
>> If you knew what he was talking about why didn't you just
>> answer the question or go on about your business?
>>
>
> Because he's a pedantic little prick? He also has a degree in CS which
> you will be aware of from this .sig
>
> Also, no one calls it PCI-X even though that's the "official " shortening
> of the much more commonly used "PCI Express".
>

PCI-X is *not* PCI Express.

Jim

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May 10, 2007, 7:20:36 AM5/10/07
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John Bailo came up with this when s/he headbutted the keyboard a moment ago
in comp.os.linux.advocacy:

> Jim wrote:

nope. AGP tops out at 8x PCI bus speed, PCI-Express /starts/ at 16x PCI bus
speed. So, while early PCI-Express cards might have less memory on them and
maybe less capable chipsets, they're still faster than 8x AGP by simple
virtue of the interface.

[H]omer

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May 11, 2007, 10:49:57 PM5/11/07
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Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Because he's a pedantic little prick? He also has a degree in CS which
> you will be aware of from this .sig
>
> Also, no one calls it PCI-X even though that's the "official " shortening
> of the much more commonly used "PCI Express".

Hardon! You fuckwit:

"Confusion with PCI-Express

PCI-X is often confused with PCI-Express, commonly abbreviated as PCI-E
or PCIe. While they are both high-speed computer buses for internal
peripherals, they differ in many ways. The first is that PCI-X is a
parallel interface that is directly backward compatible with all but the
oldest (5 volt) PCI devices. PCIe is a serial bus that offers no

compatibility with older buses. In the future PCI-X and PCI buses may
run off a PCIe bridge, similar to the way ISA buses ran off PCI buses in
some computers. This should not be confused with compatibility. PCIe
also matches PCI-X and even PCI-X 2.0 in maximum bandwidth. PCIe x1
offers 250 MB/s in both directions, and currently supports up to an x16
standard at 4 GB/s"

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pci-x

Was that too "pedantic" for you?

Maybe this is why you have so many issues with your PC, you jammed a
PCI-X card into the PCI-Express slot. Was that before or after you tried
to move your /etc directory onto the USB HDD?

What a coconut.

You know, I think you're right. Linux is not for you ... maybe just
*computers* in general are not for you at all. Here, try this instead,
it's simpler:

http://www.elc.co.uk/toy-41411?&category_id=851&parent_category_id=533

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AB

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May 12, 2007, 5:36:03 AM5/12/07
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On 2007-05-12, [H]omer <sp...@uce.gov> claimed:

> Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Because he's a pedantic little prick? He also has a degree in CS which
>> you will be aware of from this .sig
>>
>> Also, no one calls it PCI-X even though that's the "official " shortening
>> of the much more commonly used "PCI Express".

> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pci-x


>
> Was that too "pedantic" for you?
>
> Maybe this is why you have so many issues with your PC, you jammed a
> PCI-X card into the PCI-Express slot. Was that before or after you tried
> to move your /etc directory onto the USB HDD?
>
> What a coconut.
>
> You know, I think you're right. Linux is not for you ... maybe just
> *computers* in general are not for you at all. Here, try this instead,
> it's simpler:
>
> http://www.elc.co.uk/toy-41411?&category_id=851&parent_category_id=533

You don't think that's a bit over his head?

Look at all of those keys! Which ones should he push? Those machines
would be a lot more popular if they took some of the yellow and blue
things away so users like Handor wouldn't get confused.

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spi...@freenet.co.uk

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May 15, 2007, 2:57:22 PM5/15/07
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Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
> Gordon <as...@fdsa.c0m> writes:

And are you now trying to claim I didn't mean PCI-X when I said PCI-X?
I didn't mention PCI express once. So no confusion on my part anywhere.
Hadron on the other hand didn't know the difference until pointed out...
Did you mr quirk?
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May 14, 2007, 10:28:39 AM5/14/07
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