Linønut the bonehead and a Centrino laptop
Linønut
graphics. XP Pro preloaded. I installed a few apps, figured out how
to get dual monitor working (came with a separate 17" LCD monitor).
Then I decide I will put Linux on it, for tool access and portability
testing of my code. Had to repartition. Impatient at home, I
gnutella'd for partition magic, but only found french versions, so had
to wait to get back to work and use our copy. 60 Gb for Windows, 20 Gb
for Linux.
The Debian installer first tried to load the OS on the dongle I'd left
in the slot. When I removed it, the Debian installer wouldn't work,
couldn't see the DVD drive. A quick googoo determined that the 2.6.8
kernel that Debian sarge ships doesn't support SATA.
So I installed the 2.4.27 kernel. For the first time, I saw disk access
making the mouse really slow. I mean bad. Reminded me of when I'd
added memory to an NT system, making the system freeze when exiting
Borland C++. So I googooed for setting up the 2.6.11 kernel, and went
through the steps.
Kernel panic!
I used the INSERT cd to change the grub files and mkinitrd files back,
but then the 2.4 kernel wouldn't boot. Like a complete numbnuts, I'd
forgotten to make a swap partition!!! So I reinstalled.
In the meantime, I loaded up xorg, and played with dual monitor. I got
the monitors to swap, but not run simultaneously. So I went back to
trying th 2.6 kernel. Again, a kernel panic. But this time 2.4 also
induced a kernel panic. I think because I'd tweaked the 2.4 kernel
without tweaking the initrd image.
My third install! I had it down pat this time. I just installed the
basic system. I did have to wipe out /usr -- from now on I will always
make /usr/local a separate partition. I then immediately added a Debian
testing HTTP mirror to /etc/apt/sources.list, and used that to get all
the "latest" stuff.
This time I ignored the googoo'ed advice, and configured all the
IDE/SCSI/SATA stuff to be part of the kernel, instead of relying on
initrd. Reboot, and, success at last. Much more responsive!
And I can see that the AGPGART support is loaded, so I anticipate
dual-monitor support working fine when I next try it.
Then I couldn't install new software. I dug through /proc, and found
that the DVD was not on /dev/hdc or /dev/sdc, but /dev/sr0. Fixed.
A quick unpacking of themes, wallpapers, pixmaps for GTK1/2, GDM, XMMS,
and fluxbox, plus some admin files, and my system is pretty close to
the other laptop's system.
I still need to load support for wireless and suspend/hibernation, but
those are a very low priority.
So, for all the screwups I made, in the end, I feel like I could almost
become a "Linux Laptop" vendor, even with the most recent,
Windows-specific hardware.
--
Code is community.
Rich Bell
All of this trouble and time and he still doesn't have a fully working
system. This is from an experienced Linux user. How in the hell is an
average user supposed to make this piece of crap work? He will next tell us
that it was all his fault, not a problem with Linux. Any OS that requires
this much screwing around will never become mainstream.
On another note, where was the famous Knoppix CD when he need a tool to
partition the drive? You guys are always talking about Linux saving the day
and all of the wonderful things you can do with Knoppix, yet he tries to
pirate Windows app and then has to wait until he goes to work before he can
parition his drive.
Kier
> Linønut" <"=?iso-8859-1?Q?lin=F8nut?= wrote:
<snip>
>> So, for all the screwups I made, in the end, I feel like I could
>> almost become a "Linux Laptop" vendor, even with the most recent,
>> Windows-specific hardware.
>
> All of this trouble and time and he still doesn't have a fully working
> system. This is from an experienced Linux user. How in the hell is an
> average user supposed to make this piece of crap work? He will next tell us
> that it was all his fault, not a problem with Linux. Any OS that requires
> this much screwing around will never become mainstream.
Trust you to crawl out of the woodwork as soon as a Linux user posts about
a problematic Linux install. Do you sit around at home just waiting for
posts of this sort to be made?
And why should it not be his own fault, if he was careless or forgetful?
Such things have been known in the real world *we* inhabit. None of us are
perfect.
>
> On another note, where was the famous Knoppix CD when he need a tool to
> partition the drive? You guys are always talking about Linux saving the day
> and all of the wonderful things you can do with Knoppix, yet he tries to
> pirate Windows app and then has to wait until he goes to work before he can
> parition his drive.
Why not ask him?
Maybe he didn't have one to hand. Maybe he just didn't think of it. Such
things have been known. Oh and where does he say it was a pirate Windows
app he used, you arse?
You know, Rich, you're a real piece of work. If anyone says they have
problems with a Windows install, you call them liars or fools, and won't
admit Windows has anything to do with it. It's always got to be teh stupid
Linux user's fault, right? Remember when you accused my brother of being a
liar when I reported that his Windows XP had crapped its pants?
BTW, his Fedora Core 4 laptop works just fine.
--
Kier
Rich Bell
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:37:28 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>> So, for all the screwups I made, in the end, I feel like I could
>>> almost become a "Linux Laptop" vendor, even with the most recent,
>>> Windows-specific hardware.
>>
>> All of this trouble and time and he still doesn't have a fully
>> working system. This is from an experienced Linux user. How in the
>> hell is an average user supposed to make this piece of crap work? He
>> will next tell us that it was all his fault, not a problem with
>> Linux. Any OS that requires this much screwing around will never
>> become mainstream.
>
> Trust you to crawl out of the woodwork as soon as a Linux user posts
> about a problematic Linux install. Do you sit around at home just
> waiting for posts of this sort to be made?
>
> And why should it not be his own fault, if he was careless or
> forgetful? Such things have been known in the real world *we*
> inhabit. None of us are perfect.
A Windows user doesn't have to change his kernel to get his hardware to
work. The fact that an experienced Linux user had this much trouble
installing Linux on a laptop demonstrates how far away Linux is from being a
usable OS for the masses. THAT is the real world.
>
>>
>> On another note, where was the famous Knoppix CD when he need a tool
>> to partition the drive? You guys are always talking about Linux
>> saving the day and all of the wonderful things you can do with
>> Knoppix, yet he tries to pirate Windows app and then has to wait
>> until he goes to work before he can parition his drive.
>
> Why not ask him?
>
> Maybe he didn't have one to hand. Maybe he just didn't think of it.
> Such things have been known. Oh and where does he say it was a pirate
> Windows app he used, you arse?
A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
He tried to download a copy from a P2P network but could only find a french
version. Was he going to pay for the app if he found an English version? If
that was what he intended, he could have downloaded it directly from the
vendor. Clearly, he intended to pirate it.
>
> You know, Rich, you're a real piece of work. If anyone says they have
> problems with a Windows install, you call them liars or fools, and
> won't admit Windows has anything to do with it. It's always got to be
> teh stupid Linux user's fault, right? Remember when you accused my
> brother of being a liar when I reported that his Windows XP had
> crapped its pants?
You COLAnuts always have horror stories about Windows and they never make
any sense. Your story about your brother made no sense. He buys a laptop
specifically for Linux. It has XP already installed, he adds Cygwin to it
and uses it for months. He never installs Linux because he is "too busy".
Something happens to the system (probably caused by the user), the two of
you are too clueless to fix it and you turn it into an anti-MS FUD piece.
Nobody in the real world has anywhere near the problems with a Windows
system that every one of the COLAnuts claims to have. YOU are the piece of
work and the liar. At least Linonut was willing to admit what a pain in the
ass it was for him to install Linux on his laptop. He gets two points for
that.
>
> BTW, his Fedora Core 4 laptop works just fine.
So Linux is such a fragmented mess that it is a crapshoot if you choose the
"correct" distro for your hardware? Thanks for clearing that up for us.
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:37:28 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>
Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said app?
>
> He tried to download a copy from a P2P network but could only find a french
> version. Was he going to pay for the app if he found an English version? If
> that was what he intended, he could have downloaded it directly from the
> vendor. Clearly, he intended to pirate it.
No, it isn't clear at all, arsehole.
>
>
>>
>> You know, Rich, you're a real piece of work. If anyone says they have
>> problems with a Windows install, you call them liars or fools, and
>> won't admit Windows has anything to do with it. It's always got to be
>> teh stupid Linux user's fault, right? Remember when you accused my
>> brother of being a liar when I reported that his Windows XP had
>> crapped its pants?
>
> You COLAnuts always have horror stories about Windows and they never make
> any sense. Your story about your brother made no sense. He buys a laptop
> specifically for Linux. It has XP already installed, he adds Cygwin to it
> and uses it for months. He never installs Linux because he is "too busy".
Right there is where you started calling him a liar. Forgive me if I know
my own brother a mite better than you do, you shithead. Maybe you spend
your days in a basement banging your head on the keyboard and drooling,
but my brother has a life, and he wasn't particularly in a hurry to
install linux. Why? Because he was making sure he had the wireless
situation sorted out first, and he was getting along fine without doing
so. Course, you'd have no idea of that, not knowing him, right, shithead?
You're really pathetic, Rich, with your whining about COLAnuts and such. A
crying baby who can't get Linux installed at all.
> Something happens to the system (probably caused by the user), the two
> of you are too clueless to fix it and you turn it into an anti-MS FUD
> piece. Nobody in the real world has anywhere near the problems with a
> Windows system that every one of the COLAnuts claims to have. YOU are
> the piece of work and the liar.
You have any proof whatever of that? Any? One little tiny shred? No, you
don't. What I said about what happened to my brother's laptop was the
truth. 100%. I saw it with my own eyes. I was there when we installed
Linux on it. He never had any intention of keeping XP in the long-term.
You got proof otherwise, let's here it, arsehole, or shut your lying trap.
> At least Linonut was willing to admit
> what a pain in the ass it was for him to install Linux on his laptop. He
> gets two points for that.
You are a fucking liar. You call my brother a liar without a shred of
evidence, you call me a liar for telling you a true story, and then you
have the gall to whine and scream and cry about Linux users. Actually, it
was pretty easy for my brother to install Linux on his laptop. He met with
few problems. Right now, it's working just fine, and we expect it to
continue just fine.
Guess what?i got one too, and it's got Linux on it, and I was glad to get
XP blown away because it bored me silly.
>
>
>> BTW, his Fedora Core 4 laptop works just fine.
>
> So Linux is such a fragmented mess that it is a crapshoot if you choose
> the "correct" distro for your hardware? Thanks for clearing that up for
> us.
Where did I say that, you dishonest shithead? God, you are so pathetically
jealous of us, aren't you?
--
Kier
Rich Bell
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:58:26 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>
>> Kier wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:37:28 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>
Show me where you can pay for an app on a P2P network. It was not a free
app. He tried to download it without paying for it. Man are you dense.
>
>>
>> He tried to download a copy from a P2P network but could only find a
>> french version. Was he going to pay for the app if he found an
>> English version? If that was what he intended, he could have
>> downloaded it directly from the vendor. Clearly, he intended to
>> pirate it.
>
> No, it isn't clear at all, arsehole.
What part of download and not pay is hard for you to understand?
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You know, Rich, you're a real piece of work. If anyone says they
>>> have problems with a Windows install, you call them liars or fools,
>>> and won't admit Windows has anything to do with it. It's always got
>>> to be teh stupid Linux user's fault, right? Remember when you
>>> accused my brother of being a liar when I reported that his Windows
>>> XP had crapped its pants?
>>
>> You COLAnuts always have horror stories about Windows and they never
>> make any sense. Your story about your brother made no sense. He buys
>> a laptop specifically for Linux. It has XP already installed, he
>> adds Cygwin to it and uses it for months. He never installs Linux
>> because he is "too busy".
>
> Right there is where you started calling him a liar. Forgive me if I
> know my own brother a mite better than you do, you shithead. Maybe
> you spend your days in a basement banging your head on the keyboard
> and drooling, but my brother has a life, and he wasn't particularly
> in a hurry to install linux. Why? Because he was making sure he had
> the wireless situation sorted out first, and he was getting along
> fine without doing so. Course, you'd have no idea of that, not
> knowing him, right, shithead?
So you are saying it takes months to sort out using wireless on a laptop
with Linux? Plus, he was 'getting along fine' with Windows. You turned this
story into an anti-MS FUD piece and we are supposed to believe you?
>
> You're really pathetic, Rich, with your whining about COLAnuts and
> such. A crying baby who can't get Linux installed at all.
I have installed several distros and try out new versions when they are
released. It is getting better but it still has a very long way to go.
>
>
>> Something happens to the system (probably caused by the user), the
>> two
>> of you are too clueless to fix it and you turn it into an anti-MS FUD
>> piece. Nobody in the real world has anywhere near the problems with a
>> Windows system that every one of the COLAnuts claims to have. YOU are
>> the piece of work and the liar.
>
> You have any proof whatever of that? Any? One little tiny shred? No,
> you don't. What I said about what happened to my brother's laptop was
> the truth. 100%. I saw it with my own eyes. I was there when we
> installed Linux on it. He never had any intention of keeping XP in
> the long-term. You got proof otherwise, let's here it, arsehole, or
> shut your lying trap.
>
>> At least Linonut was willing to admit
>> what a pain in the ass it was for him to install Linux on his
>> laptop. He gets two points for that.
>
> You are a fucking liar. You call my brother a liar without a shred of
> evidence, you call me a liar for telling you a true story, and then
> you have the gall to whine and scream and cry about Linux users.
> Actually, it was pretty easy for my brother to install Linux on his
> laptop. He met with few problems. Right now, it's working just fine,
> and we expect it to continue just fine.
Funny, my laptop works just fine with Windows. No problems at all. It came
with all of the drivers I need and I can get updates from the vendor.
>
> Guess what?i got one too, and it's got Linux on it, and I was glad to
> get XP blown away because it bored me silly.
>
I am so happy for you. I guess you think updating kernels and searching for
drivers is fun. I have better things to do with my time.
>>
>>
>>> BTW, his Fedora Core 4 laptop works just fine.
>>
>> So Linux is such a fragmented mess that it is a crapshoot if you
>> choose
>> the "correct" distro for your hardware? Thanks for clearing that up
>> for
>> us.
>
> Where did I say that, you dishonest shithead? God, you are so
> pathetically jealous of us, aren't you?
You were doing the distro shuffle. Debian was a pain in the ass on his
laptop but Fedora works just fine.
Kier
Prove he didn't intend to pay for it, shithead.
>
>>
>>>
>>> He tried to download a copy from a P2P network but could only find a
>>> french version. Was he going to pay for the app if he found an
>>> English version? If that was what he intended, he could have
>>> downloaded it directly from the vendor. Clearly, he intended to
>>> pirate it.
>>
>> No, it isn't clear at all, arsehole.
>
> What part of download and not pay is hard for you to understand?
Where did it say he didn't pay, shithead?
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know, Rich, you're a real piece of work. If anyone says they
>>>> have problems with a Windows install, you call them liars or fools,
>>>> and won't admit Windows has anything to do with it. It's always got
>>>> to be teh stupid Linux user's fault, right? Remember when you
>>>> accused my brother of being a liar when I reported that his Windows
>>>> XP had crapped its pants?
>>>
>>> You COLAnuts always have horror stories about Windows and they never
>>> make any sense. Your story about your brother made no sense. He buys
>>> a laptop specifically for Linux. It has XP already installed, he
>>> adds Cygwin to it and uses it for months. He never installs Linux
>>> because he is "too busy".
>>
>> Right there is where you started calling him a liar. Forgive me if I
>> know my own brother a mite better than you do, you shithead. Maybe
>> you spend your days in a basement banging your head on the keyboard
>> and drooling, but my brother has a life, and he wasn't particularly
>> in a hurry to install linux. Why? Because he was making sure he had
>> the wireless situation sorted out first, and he was getting along
>> fine without doing so. Course, you'd have no idea of that, not
>> knowing him, right, shithead?
>
> So you are saying it takes months to sort out using wireless on a laptop
> with Linux? Plus, he was 'getting along fine' with Windows. You turned this
> story into an anti-MS FUD piece and we are supposed to believe you?
I didn't 'turn this story into an anti-MS piece of FUD', you lying
little piece of shit. I told the truth. You can't handle it, too bad. See,
I don't hold your opinions very highly, and i don't giove two shits what
you dream up. I *know* what happened.
>
>
>>
>> You're really pathetic, Rich, with your whining about COLAnuts and
>> such. A crying baby who can't get Linux installed at all.
>
> I have installed several distros and try out new versions when they are
> released. It is getting better but it still has a very long way to go.
Not here, it doesn't.
>
>>
>>
>>> Something happens to the system (probably caused by the user), the
>>> two
>>> of you are too clueless to fix it and you turn it into an anti-MS FUD
>>> piece. Nobody in the real world has anywhere near the problems with a
>>> Windows system that every one of the COLAnuts claims to have. YOU are
>>> the piece of work and the liar.
>>
>> You have any proof whatever of that? Any? One little tiny shred? No,
>> you don't. What I said about what happened to my brother's laptop was
>> the truth. 100%. I saw it with my own eyes. I was there when we
>> installed Linux on it. He never had any intention of keeping XP in
>> the long-term. You got proof otherwise, let's here it, arsehole, or
>> shut your lying trap.
I see you don't have anything to say here, shithead. Wonder why.
>>
>>> At least Linonut was willing to admit
>>> what a pain in the ass it was for him to install Linux on his
>>> laptop. He gets two points for that.
>>
>> You are a fucking liar. You call my brother a liar without a shred of
>> evidence, you call me a liar for telling you a true story, and then
>> you have the gall to whine and scream and cry about Linux users.
>> Actually, it was pretty easy for my brother to install Linux on his
>> laptop. He met with few problems. Right now, it's working just fine,
>> and we expect it to continue just fine.
>
> Funny, my laptop works just fine with Windows. No problems at all. It came
> with all of the drivers I need and I can get updates from the vendor.
Never had a single problem, right? Nor have we.
>
>>
>> Guess what?i got one too, and it's got Linux on it, and I was glad to
>> get XP blown away because it bored me silly.
>>
>
> I am so happy for you. I guess you think updating kernels and searching for
> drivers is fun. I have better things to do with my time.
Drooling on your keyboard, I presume.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> BTW, his Fedora Core 4 laptop works just fine.
>>>
>>> So Linux is such a fragmented mess that it is a crapshoot if you
>>> choose
>>> the "correct" distro for your hardware? Thanks for clearing that up
>>> for
>>> us.
>>
>> Where did I say that, you dishonest shithead? God, you are so
>> pathetically jealous of us, aren't you?
>
> You were doing the distro shuffle. Debian was a pain in the ass on his
> laptop but Fedora works just fine.
On mine, and my brother's. You see anything else here, you point it right
out, won't you? Shithead.
--
Kier
DFS
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:43:19 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a
>>>> problem? Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he
>>>> could download a Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>>>
>>> Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said
>>> app?
>>
>> Show me where you can pay for an app on a P2P network. It was not a
>> free app. He tried to download it without paying for it. Man are you
>> dense.
>
> Prove he didn't intend to pay for it, shithead.
By definition, downloading via gnutella is proof he intended to NOT pay for
it. Educate yourself, Kier. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnutella
>>>> He tried to download a copy from a P2P network but could only find
>>>> a french version. Was he going to pay for the app if he found an
>>>> English version? If that was what he intended, he could have
>>>> downloaded it directly from the vendor. Clearly, he intended to
>>>> pirate it.
>>>
>>> No, it isn't clear at all, arsehole.
>>
>> What part of download and not pay is hard for you to understand?
>
> Where did it say he didn't pay, shithead?
I know it hurts your feelings to have a cola nut admit to [trying to engage
in] piracy, but Linonut gets points for honesty - a rarity among cola
nutcases. And you get demerits for trying to deflect his intentions.
>> So you are saying it takes months to sort out using wireless on a
>> laptop with Linux? Plus, he was 'getting along fine' with Windows.
>> You turned this story into an anti-MS FUD piece and we are supposed
>> to believe you?
>
> I didn't 'turn this story into an anti-MS piece of FUD', you lying
> little piece of shit. I told the truth. You can't handle it, too bad.
> See, I don't hold your opinions very highly, and i don't giove two
> shits what you dream up. I *know* what happened.
I looked at your original post again, which was entitled "I don't usually,
but..."
You said "... his XP installation had totally shat its drawers the night
before, while he was in the process of doing some administration of his new
email server. It was so bad that Knoppix 3.9 couldn't even access the worst
affected partition..."
A little later you wrote "He'd been using Cygwin to run X on this laptop,
and doing no more than setting up some stuff on his server, yet it went
tits-up."
It sounds to me like the cygwin slopware ruined his XP partition, and you
conveniently blamed it on XP.
So, yes, anti-MS FUD. But nothing new here on cola.
Peter Köhlmann
< snip >
> A little later you wrote "He'd been using Cygwin to run X on this laptop,
> and doing no more than setting up some stuff on his server, yet it went
> tits-up."
>
> It sounds to me like the cygwin slopware ruined his XP partition, and you
> conveniently blamed it on XP.
>
So you are telling us that user-space apps are able to destroy a XP setup?
Really? I would not have thought that XP is *that* shitty. And I already had
a very low opinion of that piece of garbage
> So, yes, anti-MS FUD. But nothing new here on cola.
Well, I would not describe it exactly as "FUD" in that case. Much more as
"beware of XP. It will shit all over the place"
--
Designed for Windows. No user serviceable parts inside. By design
Dom
meaning that he intended to pirate it. Perhaps he should clarify before
arguing this issue further. I could personally care less if that was his
intention. Software piracy for private use is no crime, in my opinion.
Sinister Midget
> A Windows user can't change his kernel to get his hardware to work.
> He's screwed.
I fixed your mistakes for you, Dick.
You're welcome.
--
Ruland: Innovative Microsoft peer-to-peer software.
Rich Bell
He used a P2P file sharing application in an attempt to download a program
that he did not pay for. The file sharing app provides no mechanism for
paying for the app. By using such an app it is clear that he had no
intention of paying for it. If he intended to pay for the app he would have
gone to the vendors site, payed for it and downloaded it. You are perhaps
the most dense person I have ever encountered.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> He tried to download a copy from a P2P network but could only find
>>>> a french version. Was he going to pay for the app if he found an
>>>> English version? If that was what he intended, he could have
>>>> downloaded it directly from the vendor. Clearly, he intended to
>>>> pirate it.
>>>
>>> No, it isn't clear at all, arsehole.
>>
>> What part of download and not pay is hard for you to understand?
>
> Where did it say he didn't pay, shithead?
Read above, you moron.
I don't really care about your story. Get over it.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You're really pathetic, Rich, with your whining about COLAnuts and
>>> such. A crying baby who can't get Linux installed at all.
>>
>> I have installed several distros and try out new versions when they
>> are released. It is getting better but it still has a very long way
>> to go.
>
> Not here, it doesn't.
Apparently it does for Linonut and his laptop.
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Something happens to the system (probably caused by the user), the
>>>> two
>>>> of you are too clueless to fix it and you turn it into an anti-MS
>>>> FUD piece. Nobody in the real world has anywhere near the problems
>>>> with a Windows system that every one of the COLAnuts claims to
>>>> have. YOU are the piece of work and the liar.
>>>
>>> You have any proof whatever of that? Any? One little tiny shred? No,
>>> you don't. What I said about what happened to my brother's laptop
>>> was the truth. 100%. I saw it with my own eyes. I was there when we
>>> installed Linux on it. He never had any intention of keeping XP in
>>> the long-term. You got proof otherwise, let's here it, arsehole, or
>>> shut your lying trap.
>
>
> I see you don't have anything to say here, shithead. Wonder why.
In terms of computer use, the time period he used XP was 'long-term'. He
bought a laptop with XP. He downloaded and installed Cygwin and was able to
accomplish his tasks with that system for many months. The two of you
attempted to fix the problem but were too incompetent to do so. Only after
your failure did you decide to install Linux. That sounds pretty intentional
to me.
>
>>>
>>>> At least Linonut was willing to admit
>>>> what a pain in the ass it was for him to install Linux on his
>>>> laptop. He gets two points for that.
>>>
>>> You are a fucking liar. You call my brother a liar without a shred
>>> of evidence, you call me a liar for telling you a true story, and
>>> then you have the gall to whine and scream and cry about Linux
>>> users. Actually, it was pretty easy for my brother to install Linux
>>> on his laptop. He met with few problems. Right now, it's working
>>> just fine, and we expect it to continue just fine.
>>
>> Funny, my laptop works just fine with Windows. No problems at all.
>> It came with all of the drivers I need and I can get updates from
>> the vendor.
>
>
> Never had a single problem, right? Nor have we.
"He met with a few problems" does not equal "Never had a single problem". Is
this a hard concept for you?
>
>>
>>>
>>> Guess what?i got one too, and it's got Linux on it, and I was glad
>>> to get XP blown away because it bored me silly.
>>>
>>
>> I am so happy for you. I guess you think updating kernels and
>> searching for drivers is fun. I have better things to do with my
>> time.
>
> Drooling on your keyboard, I presume.
No, making a fool of you is quite entertaining.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, his Fedora Core 4 laptop works just fine.
>>>>
>>>> So Linux is such a fragmented mess that it is a crapshoot if you
>>>> choose
>>>> the "correct" distro for your hardware? Thanks for clearing that up
>>>> for
>>>> us.
>>>
>>> Where did I say that, you dishonest shithead? God, you are so
>>> pathetically jealous of us, aren't you?
>>
>> You were doing the distro shuffle. Debian was a pain in the ass on
>> his laptop but Fedora works just fine.
>
> On mine, and my brother's. You see anything else here, you point it
> right out, won't you? Shithead.
This post was not yours originally. Linonut talked about his problems
installing Debian. You did the distro and the hardware shuffle by saying
that Fedora Core 4 work just fine on a different system. Conclusion: Your
success with Linux is dependent upon what hardware you are trying to use and
what distro you are attempting to install. This is the classic COLAnut
technique. "It works on my (or my brothers) hardware". "It works fine with
<insert distro name>".
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:43:19 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>
>>>>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a
>>>>> problem? Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he
>>>>> could download a Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>>>>
>>>> Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said
>>>> app?
>>>
>>> Show me where you can pay for an app on a P2P network. It was not a
>>> free app. He tried to download it without paying for it. Man are you
>>> dense.
>>
>> Prove he didn't intend to pay for it, shithead.
>
> By definition, downloading via gnutella is proof he intended to NOT pay for
> it. Educate yourself, Kier. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnutella
>
Educate *yourself*. I don't are what you *think* he did or intended to do.
It isn't proof.
>
>
>>>>> He tried to download a copy from a P2P network but could only find
>>>>> a french version. Was he going to pay for the app if he found an
>>>>> English version? If that was what he intended, he could have
>>>>> downloaded it directly from the vendor. Clearly, he intended to
>>>>> pirate it.
>>>>
>>>> No, it isn't clear at all, arsehole.
>>>
>>> What part of download and not pay is hard for you to understand?
>>
>> Where did it say he didn't pay, shithead?
>
> I know it hurts your feelings to have a cola nut admit to [trying to engage
> in] piracy, but Linonut gets points for honesty - a rarity among cola
> nutcases. And you get demerits for trying to deflect his intentions.
Stuff it, dumbell. You think I'll take your word over his? In your
dreams, boyo.
>>> So you are saying it takes months to sort out using wireless on a
>>> laptop with Linux? Plus, he was 'getting along fine' with Windows. You
>>> turned this story into an anti-MS FUD piece and we are supposed to
>>> believe you?
>>
>> I didn't 'turn this story into an anti-MS piece of FUD', you lying
>> little piece of shit. I told the truth. You can't handle it, too bad.
>> See, I don't hold your opinions very highly, and i don't giove two
>> shits what you dream up. I *know* what happened.
>
>
> I looked at your original post again, which was entitled "I don't
> usually, but..."
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/e48e90f457a7f52d/9984c5d79fc76720?tvc=1&q=brother+laptop+group:comp.os.linux.advocacy+author:kier&hl=en#9984c5d79fc76720
>
> You said "... his XP installation had totally shat its drawers the night
> before, while he was in the process of doing some administration of his
> new email server. It was so bad that Knoppix 3.9 couldn't even access
> the worst affected partition..."
Yup.
>
> A little later you wrote "He'd been using Cygwin to run X on this laptop,
> and doing no more than setting up some stuff on his server, yet it went
> tits-up."
>
> It sounds to me like the cygwin slopware ruined his XP partition, and you
> conveniently blamed it on XP.
Nope. Cause Cygwin ain't slopware, an he ain't a liar. What I stated was,
Neither of us knew for certain what had killed XP, but we were both
certain it ought not to have happened. And Linux saved the day. You don't
like that, do you? Well, hard luck.
>
> So, yes, anti-MS FUD. But nothing new here on cola.
Go and fuck yourself.
--
Kier
Rich Bell
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:43:19 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>
>>>> hardware to work. The fact that an experienced Linux user had this
>>>> much trouble installing Linux on a laptop demonstrates how far
>>>> away Linux is from being a usable OS for the masses. THAT is the
>>>> real world.
>>
>> It came with all of the drivers I need and I can get updates from
>> the vendor.
>
> cope? You need handholding and pre-installation. So why does that make
> windows more usable than a pre-installed Linux laptop if the vendor
> provides drivers?
I get the Windows drivers WITH the laptop. I can go to the vendors site and
get the Windows drivers. There is nothing provided for Linux. The vendor
does not offer a system pre-installed with Linux. Pre-installed Linux
systems are not easy to find. That is what makes Windows a better choice.
HTH
Kier
You must live a very sheltered life down in that basement of yours.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He tried to download a copy from a P2P network but could only find
>>>>> a french version. Was he going to pay for the app if he found an
>>>>> English version? If that was what he intended, he could have
>>>>> downloaded it directly from the vendor. Clearly, he intended to
>>>>> pirate it.
>>>>
>>>> No, it isn't clear at all, arsehole.
>>>
>>> What part of download and not pay is hard for you to understand?
>>
>> Where did it say he didn't pay, shithead?
>
> Read above, you moron.
That would be you, moron. Stop drooling on your keyboard.
That's why you made such a big deal of it, right?
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're really pathetic, Rich, with your whining about COLAnuts and
>>>> such. A crying baby who can't get Linux installed at all.
>>>
>>> I have installed several distros and try out new versions when they
>>> are released. It is getting better but it still has a very long way
>>> to go.
>>
>> Not here, it doesn't.
>
> Apparently it does for Linonut and his laptop.
And? Do you have some kind of point? He fucked up his own install, by his
own admission.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Something happens to the system (probably caused by the user), the
>>>>> two
>>>>> of you are too clueless to fix it and you turn it into an anti-MS
>>>>> FUD piece. Nobody in the real world has anywhere near the problems
>>>>> with a Windows system that every one of the COLAnuts claims to
>>>>> have. YOU are the piece of work and the liar.
>>>>
>>>> You have any proof whatever of that? Any? One little tiny shred? No,
>>>> you don't. What I said about what happened to my brother's laptop
>>>> was the truth. 100%. I saw it with my own eyes. I was there when we
>>>> installed Linux on it. He never had any intention of keeping XP in
>>>> the long-term. You got proof otherwise, let's here it, arsehole, or
>>>> shut your lying trap.
>>
>>
>> I see you don't have anything to say here, shithead. Wonder why.
>
> In terms of computer use, the time period he used XP was 'long-term'. He
> bought a laptop with XP. He downloaded and installed Cygwin and was able to
> accomplish his tasks with that system for many months. The two of you
> attempted to fix the problem but were too incompetent to do so. Only after
> your failure did you decide to install Linux. That sounds pretty intentional
> to me.
What? Sorry, guess you didn't understand what I said. he never - that
is NEVER - intended to keep XP. That's why he installed Cygwin, to tide
him over for a while. If he'd been happy with XP, why would he have
installed Cygwin?
You continue to claim you know what my brother did, better than I do. You
do not. You call us incompetant, when we are not.
You'd better get some proof.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> At least Linonut was willing to admit
>>>>> what a pain in the ass it was for him to install Linux on his
>>>>> laptop. He gets two points for that.
>>>>
>>>> You are a fucking liar. You call my brother a liar without a shred
>>>> of evidence, you call me a liar for telling you a true story, and
>>>> then you have the gall to whine and scream and cry about Linux
>>>> users. Actually, it was pretty easy for my brother to install Linux
>>>> on his laptop. He met with few problems. Right now, it's working
>>>> just fine, and we expect it to continue just fine.
>>>
>>> Funny, my laptop works just fine with Windows. No problems at all.
>>> It came with all of the drivers I need and I can get updates from
>>> the vendor.
>>
>>
>> Never had a single problem, right? Nor have we.
>
> "He met with a few problems" does not equal "Never had a single problem". Is
> this a hard concept for you?
A few problems in installation, which were, fairly obviously, overcome in
short order, you dimwitted prick. Since then, trouble-free usage, as
expected.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Guess what?i got one too, and it's got Linux on it, and I was glad
>>>> to get XP blown away because it bored me silly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am so happy for you. I guess you think updating kernels and
>>> searching for drivers is fun. I have better things to do with my
>>> time.
>>
>> Drooling on your keyboard, I presume.
>
> No, making a fool of you is quite entertaining.
If you ever *do* make a fool of me, I'll let you know. But don't hold your
breath - you might explode.
>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, his Fedora Core 4 laptop works just fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> So Linux is such a fragmented mess that it is a crapshoot if you
>>>>> choose
>>>>> the "correct" distro for your hardware? Thanks for clearing that up
>>>>> for
>>>>> us.
>>>>
>>>> Where did I say that, you dishonest shithead? God, you are so
>>>> pathetically jealous of us, aren't you?
>>>
>>> You were doing the distro shuffle. Debian was a pain in the ass on
>>> his laptop but Fedora works just fine.
>>
>> On mine, and my brother's. You see anything else here, you point it
>> right out, won't you? Shithead.
>
> This post was not yours originally. Linonut talked about his problems
> installing Debian. You did the distro and the hardware shuffle by saying
> that Fedora Core 4 work just fine on a different system. Conclusion: Your
> success with Linux is dependent upon what hardware you are trying to use and
> what distro you are attempting to install. This is the classic COLAnut
> technique. "It works on my (or my brothers) hardware". "It works fine with
> <insert distro name>".
You miss any point anyone cares to make. Actually, yes, some hardware
suits some distros better, because the various developers concentrate
their efforts in different areas. You call it by a silly, childish name.
Why? Because you are too stupid to understand the reasons for it.
Laptops especially are difficult because they almost always have odd,
non-standard hardware. Yet Linux still manages to get installed, most
often without any real problems. And once it is installed, it runs far
better and is far more secure than your precious Windows.
Fucking troll.
--
Kier
Kier
>
> I get the Windows drivers WITH the laptop. I can go to the vendors site and
> get the Windows drivers. There is nothing provided for Linux. The vendor
> does not offer a system pre-installed with Linux. Pre-installed Linux
> systems are not easy to find. That is what makes Windows a better choice.
No, that isn't what makes Windows a 'better' choice. Not for one second.
And if you had a grain of sense, you'd see it.
Windows is *not* the better choice, just because it has drivers or
pre-installs. That is ridiculous.
--
Kier
Kenneth
>
> Windows - where user apps destroy your OS.
I like it, we should all use this in our sigs.
DFS
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:02:16 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>> and you conveniently blamed it on XP.
>
If they're written by Linux wackjobs at cygwin.
> Where does the slopware reside?
Seems to be in cygwin1.dll
>> So, yes, anti-MS FUD. But nothing new here on cola.
>
> Windows - where user apps destroy your OS.
Linux: we now blame our bad code on Windows.
Linønut
> All of this trouble and time and he still doesn't have a fully working
> system. This is from an experienced Linux user. How in the hell is an
> average user supposed to make this piece of crap work? He will next tell us
> that it was all his fault, not a problem with Linux. Any OS that requires
> this much screwing around will never become mainstream.
Not true, Rich.
Basically, I think I am in the same position of DELL on this one. You
know what DELL has to do to get Windows working on the latest hardware,
don't you?
DELL has to contact the vendors of each piece of hardware that is to be
integrated into a "Made for Windows XP" computer, get the drivers
straight, the licensing straight, make sure it all works, and then get a
replicable system.
This all takes a lot more time than my ordeal (spread over about three
days).
And DELL has two big advantages that I don't have:
1. Direct support from the hardware vendors.
2. The ability to amortize the costs of configuring a DELL system
over a fairly large number of sales.
One other thing to note. Others have apparently already gone through
the labor I've gone through, so that less stubborn users can simply
download a distro and install all this stuff. I think Fedora is one of
them.
However, I wanted to use Debian, and nothing else. You've heard about
Debian, right?
As for wireless support and hibernation, I've already got notes on them,
and it looks pretty simple. But, as I said, they're very low priority
for me. I have no wireless, and I don't like hibernation.
While I was monkey around with Inside Security's INSERT Linux CD, I
perused the output of lsmod and saw many other interesting modules I
might want to install.
> On another note, where was the famous Knoppix CD when he need a tool to
> partition the drive? You guys are always talking about Linux saving the day
> and all of the wonderful things you can do with Knoppix, yet he tries to
> pirate Windows app and then has to wait until he goes to work before he can
> parition his drive.
Actually, Rich, that may well be my ignorance. Only today did I
discover, by reading a kernel document, that there is a user-space Linux
application, contained in the ntfsprogs package, that apparently can
resize an NTFS partition without NTFS support being built into the
kernel.
At some point I may check it out and let this group know about the
experience.
You have to remember that I started with Debian stable, which provides a
2.6 kernel that is 3 minor revisions short of the supported needed for
SATA.
Not only am I a bonehead, but I'm a stubborn bonehead.
I really don't mind your response, because there is some truth in it, at
least for Debian. Anyway, I've got step by step instructions. A few
changes, and I'll post those here as well so that future googooers can
find them faster.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> Kier wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:37:28 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
> A Windows user doesn't have to change his kernel to get his hardware to
> work. The fact that an experienced Linux user had this much trouble
> installing Linux on a laptop demonstrates how far away Linux is from being a
> usable OS for the masses. THAT is the real world.
You're drawing the wrong conclusion. What I did is what any distro
maintainer has to do to keep up with the latest hardware. Linux distro
makers don't have the luxury of tight relationships with most hardware
vendors.
And, note that what I said -- this situation may only be specific to
Debian stable.
>
> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
> Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
> Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
I'll consider the source and ignore that one.
> He tried to download a copy from a P2P network but could only find a french
> version. Was he going to pay for the app if he found an English version? If
> that was what he intended, he could have downloaded it directly from the
> vendor. Clearly, he intended to pirate it.
Of course, whether from the net or from work. Why would I pay $50 for
an app I will use one time?
Especially since hypocrites such as yourself have no qualms about
pirating whole operating systems and office suites.
>> BTW, his Fedora Core 4 laptop works just fine.
>
> So Linux is such a fragmented mess that it is a crapshoot if you choose the
> "correct" distro for your hardware? Thanks for clearing that up for us.
Some distros are more leading edge than others.
But who cares much about what Rich says? Everything he says has a
cynical Windows slant.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> I get the Windows drivers WITH the laptop. I can go to the vendors site and
> get the Windows drivers. There is nothing provided for Linux. The vendor
> does not offer a system pre-installed with Linux. Pre-installed Linux
> systems are not easy to find. That is what makes Windows a better choice.
This is absolutely true, if two things hold true:
1. The user doesn't have the wherewithal to install an OS.
2. The user doesn't mind using Windows
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> On 2005-09-24, Rich Bell <rg_...@nvbell.net> posted something concerning:
>
>> A Windows user can't change his kernel to get his hardware to work.
>> He's screwed.
>
> I fixed your mistakes for you, Dick.
>
> You're welcome.
I was actually hoping the conversation would go along more productive
lines. I learned some interesting things about grub and about how to
install a base Debian stable system, yet easily start incorporating code
over the net from Debian testing (to get Xorg's version of X11, for
example).
In fact, there are so many interesting facets to this difficult install
that that is why I posted it, even though I knew that some nit like Rich
would come out of the woodwork to emit ridicule (and, as a side-effect,
hijack the thread.)
--
Code is community.
DFS
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:02:16 -0400, DFS wrote:
>> By definition, downloading via gnutella is proof he intended to NOT
>> pay for it. Educate yourself, Kier.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnutella
>
> Educate *yourself*. I don't are what you *think* he did or intended
> to do. It isn't proof.
The *proof* is found in Linonut's own words.
> Stuff it, dumbell. You think I'll take your word over his? In your
> dreams, boyo.
His words were he tried to find a pirated copy using gnutella. But in your
Linux-addled brain, this isn't proof he intended to pirate it.
What's wrong with you?
>> It sounds to me like the cygwin slopware ruined his XP partition,
>> and you conveniently blamed it on XP.
>
> Nope. Cause Cygwin ain't slopware, an he ain't a liar. What I stated
> was, Neither of us knew for certain what had killed XP, but we were
> both certain it ought not to have happened.
How can you be certain? Who knows what cygwin does to Windows? After
hearing your story, I'd certainly never run the crapware.
> And Linux saved the day.
After ruining it.
> You don't like that, do you? Well, hard luck.
What most Linux users experience.
>> So, yes, anti-MS FUD. But nothing new here on cola.
>
> Go and fuck yourself.
What a great answer, from a great guy. Your parents must be proud.
Sinister Midget
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:19:48 +0100, steve wrote:
>
>>
>> Windows - where user apps destroy your OS.
>
> I like it, we should all use this in our sigs.
Done (on a random basis, so not this time).
--
'Windows for Dummies': Much more than a book title - it's
a way of life.
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:02:16 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>>> By definition, downloading via gnutella is proof he intended to NOT
>>> pay for it. Educate yourself, Kier.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnutella
>>
>> Educate *yourself*. I don't are what you *think* he did or intended
>> to do. It isn't proof.
>
> The *proof* is found in Linonut's own words.
>
>
>
>> Stuff it, dumbell. You think I'll take your word over his? In your
>> dreams, boyo.
>
> His words were he tried to find a pirated copy using gnutella. But in your
> Linux-addled brain, this isn't proof he intended to pirate it.
>
> What's wrong with you?
Nothing.
>
>
>
>>> It sounds to me like the cygwin slopware ruined his XP partition,
>>> and you conveniently blamed it on XP.
>>
>> Nope. Cause Cygwin ain't slopware, an he ain't a liar. What I stated
>> was, Neither of us knew for certain what had killed XP, but we were
>> both certain it ought not to have happened.
>
> How can you be certain? Who knows what cygwin does to Windows? After
> hearing your story, I'd certainly never run the crapware.
Where's your proof it was Cygwin that killed Windows? Nowhere.
>
>
>> And Linux saved the day.
>
> After ruining it.
How do you work that out? He got exactly what he intended to have - a
Linux laptop. Just a bit sooner. Linux had nothing to do with ruining XP,
since Linux was never *on* the laptop until XP was off it. That's the lie
Rich Bell tried to tell. Are you going to make the same mistake?
>
>
>
>> You don't like that, do you? Well, hard luck.
>
> What most Linux users experience.
Obviously not. Consider why it is that we continue to use Linux, when you
and your kind trying to convince us how bad it is. It certainly isn't
because we're all stupid, as trolls would have us believe. Evidently it
offers us something we can't get elsewhere.
Your kind like to pretend it's because we're broke - that's very funny,
because we aren't. Does a person who has three Pcs and two laptops sound
broke to you?
>
>
>
>>> So, yes, anti-MS FUD. But nothing new here on cola.
>>
>> Go and fuck yourself.
>
> What a great answer, from a great guy. Your parents must be proud.
That's very funny, coming from someone who's proud to be racist. Your
sneering is enough to try anyone's patience.
--
Kier
S.Heenan
<snip>
Thanks for the new sig. :-)
--
"Of course, whether from the net or from work. Why would I pay $50 for
an app I will use one time? " - linųnut rationalizing his software piracy.
Kier
> Sinister Midget poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>
>> On 2005-09-24, Rich Bell <rg_...@nvbell.net> posted something concerning:
>>
>>> A Windows user can't change his kernel to get his hardware to work.
>>> He's screwed.
>>
>> I fixed your mistakes for you, Dick.
>>
>> You're welcome.
>
> I was actually hoping the conversation would go along more productive
> lines. I learned some interesting things about grub and about how to
> install a base Debian stable system, yet easily start incorporating code
> over the net from Debian testing (to get Xorg's version of X11, for
> example).
i found it a very interesting post, albeit much of the technical content
flew over my head :-)
>
> In fact, there are so many interesting facets to this difficult install
> that that is why I posted it, even though I knew that some nit like Rich
> would come out of the woodwork to emit ridicule (and, as a side-effect,
> hijack the thread.)
In a way, since I replied to him, with some heat, I was a party to that
hijack. My apologies for that. Rich just gets my goat, especially since
that time I pposted about my brother's (true) experience with XP/Fedora on
his laptop.
The irony is, I'm not a Windows-hater like Rich thinks. I don't mind it. I
just find myself *liking* it less and less. I've hardly booted into it at
all this year. What I think I'll end up doing is returning my sole Windows
box to the task I always intended it should perform: video capture, and
buy one more (hopefully final) small-form-factor PC to replace the Linux
install that's currently dual-booting on the Windows box.
But it's only since I got into Linux that I felt motivated to have more
than one PC, or a laptop, or really become interested in computers at all.
Windows never did that for me. The most I ever did then was dabble with
desktop shells, stuff like Outsider99 (anyone else remember that?) or
skinning programs like Object Desktop/Windowblinds.
Linux opened my eyes to a whole new and exciting world. People like Rich
don't seem to want to share it.
--
Kier
William Poaster
wrote:
> Windows - where user apps destroy your OS.
A sig!! :-)
--
To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it;
to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it.
-- Scott Granneman --
Senior consultant for Bryan Consulting Inc. in St. Louis
Linønut
You are, simply put, an asshole. And, I knew you would do that.
Thanks for fulfilling my faith in you.
It is not piracy.
1. I used a product purchased at work for a computer purchased by
work.
2. Even if I had downloaded Partition Magic and used it, that is not
piracy. Piracy is the act of replicating some other party's
application for sale. You're trotting out the RIAA/Microsoft
party line, pure and simple.
Face it, Simon, if you're going to complain about someone borrowing an
application to use, then you're going to have to be squeaky clean
yourself.
Are you squeaky clean?
I have another question for you. A number of poster here have boasted
about how "Windows is free" and about using warez.
Why didn't you dog them, and include their statements in your sig?
Because you know that Windows people borrow applications and operating
system software all the time. You just think this is an opportunity to
discredit me because I'm willing, under rare circumstances, to consider
doing what you and your ilk do all the time.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> In a way, since I replied to him, with some heat, I was a party to that
> hijack. My apologies for that. Rich just gets my goat, especially since
> that time I pposted about my brother's (true) experience with XP/Fedora on
> his laptop.
That is simply Rich Bell's purpose -- to get people's goat, so he can
then turn around and call them a "zealot".
S. Heehan ("Simon Cooke") is of the same ilk. In fact, if you look at
some of his posts in other forums, you see that he quite regularly
laughs at people for their ignorance, without taking the time to inform
them.
> Linux opened my eyes to a whole new and exciting world. People like Rich
> don't seem to want to share it.
--
Code is community.
Kier
> Kier poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>
>> In a way, since I replied to him, with some heat, I was a party to that
>> hijack. My apologies for that. Rich just gets my goat, especially since
>> that time I pposted about my brother's (true) experience with XP/Fedora on
>> his laptop.
>
> That is simply Rich Bell's purpose -- to get people's goat, so he can
> then turn around and call them a "zealot".
That's true. He's a pretty sad twat, isn't he? Not very smart.
>
> S. Heehan ("Simon Cooke") is of the same ilk. In fact, if you look at
> some of his posts in other forums, you see that he quite regularly
> laughs at people for their ignorance, without taking the time to inform
> them.
I must admit, I'd never considered Heenan might be Simon. I have him
killfiled, precisely because he never debates anything (though obviously
he nymshifted again this time). Even Rich will at least attempt to *some*
degree of discussion. Heenan never does, so I really don't understand why
he bothers to post at all.
>
>> Linux opened my eyes to a whole new and exciting world. People like Rich
>> don't seem to want to share it.
I'd add, people like Rich don't seem to *want* to share it. Sad bastards
that they are.
--
Kier
William Poaster
Linųnutlinųnut wrote:
> Kier poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>
>> In a way, since I replied to him, with some heat, I was a party to that
>> hijack. My apologies for that. Rich just gets my goat, especially since
>> that time I pposted about my brother's (true) experience with XP/Fedora on
>> his laptop.
>
> That is simply Rich Bell's purpose -- to get people's goat, so he can
> then turn around and call them a "zealot".
>
> S. Heehan ("Simon Cooke") is of the same ilk. In fact, if you look at
> some of his posts in other forums, you see that he quite regularly
> laughs at people for their ignorance, without taking the time to inform
> them.
That's because HeeHaw is himself, ignorant. He's a waste of bandwidth.
>> Linux opened my eyes to a whole new and exciting world. People like Rich
>> don't seem to want to share it.
--
Linønut
> begin trojan.vbs It was on Sun, 25 Sep 2005 11:19:02 -0500, that
> Linųnutlinųnut wrote:
>
>> S. Heehan ("Simon Cooke") is of the same ilk. In fact, if you look at
>> some of his posts in other forums, you see that he quite regularly
>> laughs at people for their ignorance, without taking the time to inform
>> them.
>
> That's because HeeHaw is himself, ignorant. He's a waste of bandwidth.
I should point out, in the interest of being fair and balanced, that he
seems to help people some of the time, too.
But in COLA he turns into a churl.
--
Code is community.
General Protection Fault
> Impatient at home, I
> gnutella'd for partition magic, but only found french versions, so had
> to wait to get back to work and use our copy. 60 Gb for Windows, 20 Gb
> for Linux.
You tried to steal Partition Magic?
--
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General Protection Fault
> Linřnut wrote:
><snip>
>
>
> Thanks for the new sig. :-)
A classic.
General Protection Fault
> S.Heenan poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>
>> Linųnut wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> Thanks for the new sig. :-)
>>
>> --
>> "Of course, whether from the net or from work. Why would I pay $50 for
>> an app I will use one time? " - linųnut rationalizing his software piracy.
>
> You are, simply put, an asshole. And, I knew you would do that.
>
> Thanks for fulfilling my faith in you.
>
> It is not piracy.
>
> 1. I used a product purchased at work for a computer purchased by
> work.
Do you have a site licence at work? You have to buy one copy per machine
> 2. Even if I had downloaded Partition Magic and used it, that is not
> piracy. Piracy is the act of replicating some other party's
> application for sale. You're trotting out the RIAA/Microsoft
> party line, pure and simple.
Downloading the application is making a copy. How can you explain that
you would then have a copy?
Nice rationalization. I wonder what the judge will think?
General Protection Fault
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:58:26 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>
>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
>> Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
>> Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>
Are you brainless? What else is it when you download the software from
a P2P network? Even if he had a licence he can't do that.
Give it up. Call a spade a spade. Linonut is a software pirate.
--
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General Protection Fault
>>
>> Show me where you can pay for an app on a P2P network. It was not a free
>> app. He tried to download it without paying for it. Man are you dense.
>
> Prove he didn't intend to pay for it, shithead.
You retard. If he intended to pay for it, he could have downloaded
the ENGLISH version from their website by paying for it. Downloading
commercial software from P2P serves but one purpose: piracy.
General Protection Fault
> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:29:09 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>
>> He used a P2P file sharing application in an attempt to download a program
>> that he did not pay for. The file sharing app provides no mechanism for
>> paying for the app. By using such an app it is clear that he had no
>> intention of paying for it. If he intended to pay for the app he would have
>> gone to the vendors site, payed for it and downloaded it. You are perhaps
>> the most dense person I have ever encountered.
>
> You must live a very sheltered life down in that basement of yours.
That was one piss-poor deflection.
Let's pretend he DID intended to pay for it. What's he going to do, phone
up the vendor and say, "yeah, listen, I downloaded your app from the
Internet, how do I pay for it?" Get real.
The guy is a pirate, pure and simple. He COULD have downloaded a free
trial of Partition Magic. He COULD have waited until he got to work
and illegally used that copy unless they had a site licence. He COULD
have bought the software from the store. He COULD have bought it online
and downloaded it legitimatelly. Instead, he chose to STEAL it.
Jesse F. Hughes
> On 2005-09-24, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:58:26 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>
>>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
>>> Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
>>> Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>>
>> Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said app?
>
> Are you brainless? What else is it when you download the software from
> a P2P network? Even if he had a licence he can't do that.
Agreed. Clearly, Linonut planned to download and use software he had
no right to.
I will not claim I'm not guilty of an occasional copyright violation,
but let's be honest here. What Linonut was doing is legally and
probably morally wrong.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"We will run this with the same kind of openness that we've run
Windows." Steve Ballmer, speaking about MS's new ".Net" project.
Jim Richardson
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:16:34 +0200,
Jesse F. Hughes <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
> General Protection Fault <y...@must.be.joking.mil> writes:
>
>> On 2005-09-24, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:58:26 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
>>>> Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
>>>> Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>>>
>>> Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said app?
>>
>> Are you brainless? What else is it when you download the software from
>> a P2P network? Even if he had a licence he can't do that.
>
> Agreed. Clearly, Linonut planned to download and use software he had
> no right to.
>
> I will not claim I'm not guilty of an occasional copyright violation,
> but let's be honest here. What Linonut was doing is legally and
> probably morally wrong.
>
Except of course, that he *didn't* do it... Perhaps not for the right
reason, but none the less, the act of piracy didn't occur
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--
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Money is truthful. If a man speaks of his honor, make him pay cash
-- Lazarus Long
Jesse F. Hughes
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:16:34 +0200,
> Jesse F. Hughes <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
>> General Protection Fault <y...@must.be.joking.mil> writes:
>>
>>> On 2005-09-24, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:58:26 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
>>>>> Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
>>>>> Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>>>>
>>>> Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said app?
>>>
>>> Are you brainless? What else is it when you download the software from
>>> a P2P network? Even if he had a licence he can't do that.
>>
>> Agreed. Clearly, Linonut planned to download and use software he had
>> no right to.
>>
>> I will not claim I'm not guilty of an occasional copyright violation,
>> but let's be honest here. What Linonut was doing is legally and
>> probably morally wrong.
>>
>
> Except of course, that he *didn't* do it... Perhaps not for the right
> reason, but none the less, the act of piracy didn't occur
Oh. Well then, what Linonut *intended* to do....
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"It's much better to live with my parents than with a wife."
-- Quincy P. Hughes, age 4 1/2
George Ellison
> On 2005-09-24, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:58:26 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>
>>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
>>> Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
>>> Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>>
>> Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said app?
>
> Are you brainless? What else is it when you download the software from
> a P2P network? Even if he had a licence he can't do that.
>
> Give it up. Call a spade a spade. Linonut is a software pirate.
>
>
Wintards looking for a hair to split?
Linønut
> On 2005-09-24, Linųnut <linųn...@bone.com> wrote:
>> Impatient at home, I
>> gnutella'd for partition magic, but only found french versions, so had
>> to wait to get back to work and use our copy. 60 Gb for Windows, 20 Gb
>> for Linux.
>
> You tried to steal Partition Magic?
No.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> On 2005-09-25, Linųnut <linųn...@bone.com> wrote:
>> Rich Bell poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>>
>>> He tried to download a copy from a P2P network but could only find a french
>>> version. Was he going to pay for the app if he found an English version? If
>>> that was what he intended, he could have downloaded it directly from the
>>> vendor. Clearly, he intended to pirate it.
>>
>> Of course, whether from the net or from work. Why would I pay $50 for
>> an app I will use one time?
>
> Why don't you ask PowerQuest (or whoever owns them now) if they're okay
> with that. Will that be your legal defence?
Don't be a hypocritical ass.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> On 2005-09-25, S.Heenan <hee...@uhuh.n3t> wrote:
>> Linųnut wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the new sig. :-)
>
> A classic.
Actually, I think it rather Polly-Annish of the two of you. Whenever I
have expressed reservations about using someone's copy of software, I
usually get scoffed at, as if I were some kind of Polly Anna. In fact,
the only people who would seem not to scoff at such a thing are
yourself and S.Heenan.
Which leads me to believe you two are simply playing a net game.
Tell me, General Protection Fault, just how squeaky-clean you are.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> Downloading the application is making a copy. How can you explain that
> you would then have a copy?
>
> Nice rationalization. I wonder what the judge will think?
What judge?
Man who live in glass house should not throw stones.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> On 2005-09-24, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:58:26 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>
>>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
>>> Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
>>> Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>>
>> Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said app?
>
> Are you brainless? What else is it when you download the software from
> a P2P network? Even if he had a licence he can't do that.
>
> Give it up. Call a spade a spade. Linonut is a software pirate.
No. You are mistaken.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> General Protection Fault <y...@must.be.joking.mil> writes:
>
>> On 2005-09-24, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:58:26 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
>>>> Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
>>>> Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>>>
>>> Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said app?
>>
>> Are you brainless? What else is it when you download the software from
>> a P2P network? Even if he had a licence he can't do that.
>
> Agreed. Clearly, Linonut planned to download and use software he had
> no right to.
>
> I will not claim I'm not guilty of an occasional copyright violation,
> but let's be honest here. What Linonut was doing is legally and
> probably morally wrong.
Exactly. And has nothing to do with piracy.
Let's face facts here, too. First of all, I have little doubt the two
who are making the biggest stink about this, S.Heenan and General
Protection Fault, are hypocrites. In fact, I know that S.Heenan has
posted information about how to obtain a certain piece of warez.
(Kadaitcha Man is apparently a bad influence on you.)
And, since, according to my logs, S.Heenan and GPF have shared the same
IP, at shaw.ca, I can conclude that GPF is guilty, himself. A neat
trick, eh? Trying to browbeat someone, under another pseudonym, in an
exhibition of sock puppetry, for a transgression comparable to one
you've committed, with the inflammatory and misleading label of
'piracy'. Nice. Real nice.
And yet, when many other posters here have all but boasted of such acts
("Hey, Windows is free, too!"), where are S.Heenan and GPF? Why single
me out?
One more thing. I have yet to meet a single person who has not, at
least once, "borrowed" software to avoid paying for it. This includes
friends, family, work acquaintances, most usenet posters (hell, even
Jesse), and even some otherwise upright businesses..
I normally (almost always, in fact) do not do it. This time I did (and
copped to it), but at least opted out to use a copy of the tool
from work, in the end. My bad. Next time I'll search harder for a
free alternative. And, if I don't find it, I will risk voiding a
warranty by slicking the disk first, rather than repartitioning.
Now let's see the next made-up sig.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> On 2005-09-24, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 21:43:19 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>
>>> Show me where you can pay for an app on a P2P network. It was not a free
>>> app. He tried to download it without paying for it. Man are you dense.
>>
>> Prove he didn't intend to pay for it, shithead.
>
> You retard. If he intended to pay for it, he could have downloaded
> the ENGLISH version from their website by paying for it. Downloading
> commercial software from P2P serves but one purpose: piracy.
http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=1533&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C
piracy
n. the crime of robbery of ships or boats on the oceans. Accusation,
trial and punishment of pirates may be under international agreement
applicable anywhere, or under the laws of the particular nation where
the accused has been captured.
Idiot and hypocrite.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> The guy is a pirate, pure and simple.
Bullshit.
> He COULD have downloaded a free
> trial of Partition Magic. He COULD have waited until he got to work
> and illegally used that copy unless they had a site licence. He COULD
> have bought the software from the store. He COULD have bought it online
> and downloaded it legitimatelly. Instead, he chose to STEAL it.
Hypocrite.
--
Code is community.
General Protection Fault
Then what exactly were you doing?
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linųnut, defending his piracy of Parition Magic in c.o.l.a
FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE i386
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General Protection Fault
How am I a hypocrite? I have absolutely NO pirated software at all.
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linųnut, defending his piracy of Parition Magic in c.o.l.a
FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE i386
3:20PM up 69 days, 3:09, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
General Protection Fault
Software piracy is defined as copyright infringement. Software piracy
doesn't mean literally "piracy of software." Nice try though.
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linųnut, defending his piracy of Parition Magic in c.o.l.a
FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE i386
3:20PM up 69 days, 3:09, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
General Protection Fault
Uhhh, how can you possibly conclude that because S.Heenan and I have the
same ISP that I am guilty of software piracy? That's honestly the
dumbest fucking thing I have EVER heard.
> And yet, when many other posters here have all but boasted of such acts
> ("Hey, Windows is free, too!"), where are S.Heenan and GPF? Why single
> me out?
>
> One more thing. I have yet to meet a single person who has not, at
> least once, "borrowed" software to avoid paying for it. This includes
> friends, family, work acquaintances, most usenet posters (hell, even
> Jesse), and even some otherwise upright businesses..
Oh, so everyone else does it, so it's okay.
> I normally (almost always, in fact) do not do it. This time I did (and
> copped to it), but at least opted out to use a copy of the tool
> from work, in the end. My bad. Next time I'll search harder for a
> free alternative. And, if I don't find it, I will risk voiding a
> warranty by slicking the disk first, rather than repartitioning.
Nice, nice.
> Now let's see the next made-up sig.
They are your EXACT words.
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linųnut, defending his piracy of Parition Magic in c.o.l.a
FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE i386
3:20PM up 69 days, 3:09, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
General Protection Fault
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:16:34 +0200,
> Jesse F. Hughes <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
>> General Protection Fault <y...@must.be.joking.mil> writes:
>>
>>> On 2005-09-24, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:58:26 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
>>>>> Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
>>>>> Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>>>>
>>>> Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said app?
>>>
>>> Are you brainless? What else is it when you download the software from
>>> a P2P network? Even if he had a licence he can't do that.
>>
>> Agreed. Clearly, Linonut planned to download and use software he had
>> no right to.
>>
>> I will not claim I'm not guilty of an occasional copyright violation,
>> but let's be honest here. What Linonut was doing is legally and
>> probably morally wrong.
>>
>
> Except of course, that he *didn't* do it... Perhaps not for the right
> reason, but none the less, the act of piracy didn't occur
If he succeeded in transferring the file to his computer, he DID do it.
Attempted murder is a crime. Attempting to commit a crime is also wrong.
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linønut, defending his piracy of Parition Magic in c.o.l.a
FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE i386
3:20PM up 69 days, 3:09, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
General Protection Fault
Please, show where I am using unlicensed software. Please.
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linųnut, defending his piracy of Parition Magic in c.o.l.a
FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE i386
3:25PM up 69 days, 3:14, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
General Protection Fault
I use no unlicensed software whatsoever.
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linųnut, defending his piracy of Parition Magic in c.o.l.a
FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE i386
3:25PM up 69 days, 3:14, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
General Protection Fault
Is that your favourite word today?
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
General Protection Fault
>
>> Agreed. Clearly, Linonut planned to download and use software he had
>> no right to.
>>
>> I will not claim I'm not guilty of an occasional copyright violation,
>> but let's be honest here. What Linonut was doing is legally and
>> probably morally wrong.
>
> Exactly. And has nothing to do with piracy.
>
> Let's face facts here, too. First of all, I have little doubt the two
> who are making the biggest stink about this, S.Heenan and General
> Protection Fault, are hypocrites. In fact, I know that S.Heenan has
> posted information about how to obtain a certain piece of warez.
> (Kadaitcha Man is apparently a bad influence on you.)
>
> And, since, according to my logs, S.Heenan and GPF have shared the same
> IP, at shaw.ca, I can conclude that GPF is guilty, himself. A neat
> trick, eh? Trying to browbeat someone, under another pseudonym, in an
> exhibition of sock puppetry, for a transgression comparable to one
> you've committed, with the inflammatory and misleading label of
> 'piracy'. Nice. Real nice.
I missed that bit about the IPs. What IPs are they, exactly? You are
absolutely barking up the wrong tree. This has been tried before. You're
looking at the wrong fucking header.
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linųnut, defending his piracy of Parition Magic in c.o.l.a
FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE i386
3:25PM up 69 days, 3:14, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
General Protection Fault
For your benefit, asshole.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Piracy
The copyright infringement of software, also called software piracy, refers to
several practices when done without the permission of the copyright holder:
* Creating a copy and selling it. This is the act most people refer to as
software piracy. This is copyright infringement in most countries and is
unlikely to be fair use or fair dealing if the work remains commercially
available. In some countries the laws may allow the selling of a version
modified for use by blind people, students (for non-educational product) or
similar. Differences in legislation may also make the copyright invalid in
some jurisdictions, but not the others.
* Creating a copy and giving it to someone else. Copyright infringement
in most jurisdictions. Not infringing under specific circumstances such as i
fair use and fair dealing.
Now, how are you *not* a software pirate?
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linųnut, defending his piracy of Parition Magic in c.o.l.a
FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE i386
3:30PM up 69 days, 3:19, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
DFS
> Okay, Linonut is a software pirate. Who fucking cares, besides a
> bunch of Wintards looking for a hair to split?
Another sore Linux loser.
The world is full of them...
Jesse F. Hughes
> Jesse F. Hughes poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>
>> I will not claim I'm not guilty of an occasional copyright violation,
>> but let's be honest here. What Linonut was doing is legally and
>> probably morally wrong.
>
> Exactly. And has nothing to do with piracy.
Well, in a fairly literal and well-established sense, this violation
is a kind of "piracy".
Pirate:
Meaning "one who takes another's work without permission" first
recorded 1701
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=pirate
[...]
> One more thing. I have yet to meet a single person who has not, at
> least once, "borrowed" software to avoid paying for it. This includes
> friends, family, work acquaintances, most usenet posters (hell, even
> Jesse), and even some otherwise upright businesses..
*Even* Jesse? I'm hardly the purest fella when it comes to these
matters.
It's bad in principle but convenient in practice. There's a lot of
that going around, but we surely shouldn't excuse ourselves for that
reason.
> I normally (almost always, in fact) do not do it. This time I did
> (and copped to it), but at least opted out to use a copy of the tool
> from work, in the end. My bad. Next time I'll search harder for a
> free alternative. And, if I don't find it, I will risk voiding a
> warranty by slicking the disk first, rather than repartitioning.
You're going off-script. You're supposed to shout "Yo ho ho and a
bottle of rum!"
--
"So how do you go on? [...] How will you keep moving for the next few
weeks or months until you are known for what you are, the story
becomes huge all over the world, and you have reporters at your
schools asking you, why?" -- Another JSH mystery
Linønut
> On 2005-09-26, Linųnut <linųn...@bone.com> wrote:
>> General Protection Fault poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>>> You tried to steal Partition Magic?
>>
>> No.
>
> Then what exactly were you doing?
Read other posts, Little Bo Peep.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> On 2005-09-26, Linųnut <linųn...@bone.com> wrote:
>>
>> Don't be a hypocritical ass.
>
> Is that your favourite word today?
"a" is indeed one of my most oft-used words.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> For your benefit, asshole.
<grin>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_Piracy
>
> The copyright infringement of software, also called software piracy, refers to
> several practices when done without the permission of the copyright holder:
>
> * Creating a copy and selling it. This is the act most people refer to as
> software piracy. This is copyright infringement in most countries and is
> unlikely to be fair use or fair dealing if the work remains commercially
> available. In some countries the laws may allow the selling of a version
> modified for use by blind people, students (for non-educational product) or
> similar. Differences in legislation may also make the copyright invalid in
> some jurisdictions, but not the others.
> * Creating a copy and giving it to someone else. Copyright infringement
> in most jurisdictions. Not infringing under specific circumstances such as i
> fair use and fair dealing.
>
> Now, how are you *not* a software pirate?
I did neither of those two acts. That's how.
--
Code is community.
Jesse F. Hughes
>
> If he succeeded in transferring the file to his computer, he DID do it.
>
> Attempted murder is a crime. Attempting to commit a crime is also
> wrong.
I don't think anyone can be sued for attempted infringement of
copyright.
And most copyright violations are not crimes. But the law may be
changing there.
--
"So now you see a math person coming out to talk about *his* program
which is fast as he says it can count over 89 billions primes in less
than a second. How is that objective? It's childish."
-- James S. Harris, on objective facts.
Jesse F. Hughes
> General Protection Fault poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>
[...]
>> You retard. If he intended to pay for it, he could have downloaded
>> the ENGLISH version from their website by paying for it. Downloading
>> commercial software from P2P serves but one purpose: piracy.
>
> http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=1533&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C
>
> piracy
> n. the crime of robbery of ships or boats on the oceans. Accusation,
> trial and punishment of pirates may be under international agreement
> applicable anywhere, or under the laws of the particular nation where
> the accused has been captured.
Sorry, but piracy has rather broader meaning than that in daily
conversation.
Maybe it doesn't have a *legal* meaning regarding copyright
infringement, but it clearly has a *common* meaning there. And has
had that meaning for literally centuries.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"Usenet is demonstrably dangerous. It needs to be regulated."
--James S. Harris, voice of reason and moderation
Linønut
> Uhhh, how can you possibly conclude that because S.Heenan and I have the
> same ISP that I am guilty of software piracy? That's honestly the
> dumbest fucking thing I have EVER heard.
Same IP, too.
Of course, that depends on whether shaw.ca supports provides static IPs
or not.
You've had yours for awhile.
Some ISPs only dole out static IPs to customers who pay more per month.
> Oh, so everyone else does it, so it's okay.
No, it's not okay. But it does make you look like some kind of school
marm, to be screaming and yelling "PIRACY! THEFT!".
>> Now let's see the next made-up sig.
>
> They are your EXACT words.
>
> --
> "Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
> -- Linųnut, defending his piracy of Parition Magic in c.o.l.a
The line immediately above contains *your* words.
And thanks for adding some evidence that you are indeed S.Heenan.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> If he succeeded in transferring the file to his computer, he DID do it.
>
> Attempted murder is a crime. Attempting to commit a crime is also wrong.
Sob. Ya got me. Wrack. Groan.
I must also confess to this crime: as a child, I would sneak into my
mother's pantry and, sob, take little sips of her peppermint schnaps.
That must be where it all started. Underage drinking! O why o why?!
It's pretty funny how the sneakiest dogs bark the loudest.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> Linųnut <linųn...@bone.com> writes:
>
>> General Protection Fault poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>> http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=1533&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C
>>
>> piracy
>> n. the crime of robbery of ships or boats on the oceans. Accusation,
>> trial and punishment of pirates may be under international agreement
>> applicable anywhere, or under the laws of the particular nation where
>> the accused has been captured.
>
> Sorry, but piracy has rather broader meaning than that in daily
> conversation.
What of it?
> Maybe it doesn't have a *legal* meaning regarding copyright
> infringement, but it clearly has a *common* meaning there. And has
> had that meaning for literally centuries.
Could be. To me, though, piracy has always meant stealing stuff --
making an illigimate LP record of Pink Floyd, making copies of Windows
or DOS, duplicating manuals, and so on -- and selling them.
Simply "borrowing" an application, or making a tape of a CD lent by a
friend, isn't what I would call "piracy". It may not be "right", but
neither is it uncommon.
Whether GPF and SH are strictly correct in their claims does not matter
to me. What matters is how and why they are doing it.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> General Protection Fault poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
>
>> Uhhh, how can you possibly conclude that because S.Heenan and I have the
>> same ISP that I am guilty of software piracy? That's honestly the
>> dumbest fucking thing I have EVER heard.
>
> Same IP, too.
I'm going to back down on this claim (that GFP is SH), since I see
another header entry I've never noticed before.
If you would, can you tell me the value of the last octet of your IP
address when you do "ifconfig"?
--
Code is community.
S.Heenan
Wow, the KKKohlmann Technique®.
Colour me doubly impressed.
--
"Of course, whether from the net or from work. Why would I pay $50 for
an app I will use one time? " - linønut rationalizing his software
piracy.
Kier
> On 2005-09-25, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:29:09 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>
>>> He used a P2P file sharing application in an attempt to download a program
>>> that he did not pay for. The file sharing app provides no mechanism for
>>> paying for the app. By using such an app it is clear that he had no
>>> intention of paying for it. If he intended to pay for the app he would have
>>> gone to the vendors site, payed for it and downloaded it. You are perhaps
>>> the most dense person I have ever encountered.
>>
>> You must live a very sheltered life down in that basement of yours.
>
> That was one piss-poor deflection.
really? It's the same one Rich likes to use a lot, claiming I (or soeone
else) lives in 'Momma's basement'. And since I am not particularly dense,
he must certainly have met a good many people denser than me, oe he must
live a very sheltered life.
Not that I care one way or the other.
> Let's pretend he DID intended to pay for it. What's he going to do,
> phone up the vendor and say, "yeah, listen, I downloaded your app from
> the Internet, how do I pay for it?" Get real.
>
> The guy is a pirate, pure and simple. He COULD have downloaded a free
> trial of Partition Magic. He COULD have waited until he got to work and
> illegally used that copy unless they had a site licence. He COULD have
> bought the software from the store. He COULD have bought it online and
> downloaded it legitimatelly. Instead, he chose to STEAL it.
And did not in fact do so. He abandoned the attempt.
As he has, from his own lips as it were, admitted to the willingness to
'borrow' said app, I will concede thhat point.
--
Kier
S.Heenan
>I have another question for you. A number of poster here have boasted
> about how "Windows is free" and about using warez.
Windows ain't "free", nor is it "FREE", which suits me fine. Unlike
yourself, I pay for software.
The only software on this PC which is not paid for is Opera 8, Prime95, a
few shareware/freeware benchmarking tools, and a trial version of Corel's
PSP 10, which is due to expire in 23 days. I guess I should mention Acrobat
Reader and Macromedia plugins as well.
We aren't talking about them, we are talking about you.
This is a difficult concept for you to grasp, I realize.
>
> Why didn't you dog them, and include their statements in your sig?
I have. Read more carefully. One would be Jim "Corporate version" Moore.
Microsoft do not refer to their OLK/VLK licenced products as the "Corporate
versions."
mlw was one of the best, however. In one thread, he claimed to have rights
to mp3s, based on the the fact he pays taxes at the county/state/federal
level.
I think I'm justified in "borrowing" the Mayor's CD collection. After all,
I've paid my taxes for 2005.
Again, try to focus. We are talking about you. Stick with me, man.
> You just think this is an opportunity
> to discredit me because I'm willing, under rare circumstances, to
> consider doing what you and your ilk do all the time.
I love your obligatory disclaimers. Awesome. Four gold stars for your
scribbler.
linonut:
"You are, simply put, an asshole. And, I knew you would do that.
Thanks for fulfilling my faith in you."
You're welcome. :-) Any time.
Your sterling character speaks for itself. One thing is for sure, you are
very very fond of the term "asshole".
This is called "projection". Feel free to Google it.
Be so kind as to provide one, just one, example where I've used an
unlicenced/warezed/stolen product. Call it near incontrovertible proof if
you wish.
Better yet, use the famous "KKKohlmann Technique®", again.
"Impatient at home, I
gnutella'd for partition magic, but only found french versions, so had
to wait to get back to work and use our copy."
Scene I Act I: Best Buy Returns and Exchanges Counter
"May I help you Sir ? " "Hi, Angie. I was in here last Thursday to "pick
up" this copy of Partition Magic. When I finally got around to using it, I
found it to be the Finnish version; totally unsuitable for my needs. May I
exchange it ?" "Certainly Sir. If I could please have your sales receipt, I
will be happy to process the exchange." "Well, here's the thing Angie: since
I only wanted to use it once, I really didn't think it was very fair for me
to have to purchase it. Therefore, I /borrowed/ it, and don't have a
receipt." "Certainly Sir, I do understand. One moment while I call our
Special Exchanges Representatives. They will be delighted to accommodate
your every need."
S. Heehan ("Simon Cooke") is of the same ilk. In fact, if you look at
some of his posts in other forums, you see that he quite regularly
laughs at people for their ignorance, without taking the time to inform
them.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Pssssst, nut, come a little closer, I have a secret to tell you: Not only
I'm I Simon Cooke, I'm also flatfish+++, Relf, GPF, DFS, Rich Bell, Bailo,
billwg, and every other "Wintroll/Mactroll". Honest.
Let's keep this one on the DL, k ?
Your friend, Daeron, teh Twollslayer, < BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *PMSL*> is
receiving psychotronic mind-control signals from the cosmos. No doubt the
aliens have been co-opted by the dark forces of "Micro$oft".
As a result, he has grand delusions of persecution. Ask Jack Schofield. Yes,
that's right, Jack Schofield, of the Guardian. Did I mention Jack Schofield
?
Are you able to tune in to the very same "super sekret" frequency the goof
Daeron is ?
I really should release my new sig under the GPL.
"FREE", as in libre, not "free" as in a warez version of Partition Magic.
As always, HTH.
S.Heenan
> In fact, I know that S.Heenan has
> posted information about how to obtain a certain piece of warez.
You neglected to post the Message ID.
I should tell you it is /very/ difficult being S.Heenan, Simon Cook, AND
General Protection Fault.
GPF and I have seen this one before. Last time it was none other than your
intellectual twin, Ewik F.
I'm not saying you're wrong, that would be pointless, exactly like arguing
with ralph/matt_left_coast/cybear.
Stick with what you're good at, stuff like W32 programming and port
scanning. Comedy even.
> Now let's see the next made-up sig.
Oh, if you insist...
--
"And, since, according to my logs, S.Heenan and GPF have shared the same
IP, at shaw.ca, I can conclude that GPF is guilty, himself. A neat
trick, eh? " - Linųnut, on DHCP, RFC 977, and reading comprehension.
Linønut
> Linønut" <"=?iso-8859-1?Q?lin=F8nut?= wrote:
>>
>> Hypocrite.
>
> Wow, the KKKohlmann Technique®.
>
> Colour me doubly impressed.
Peter does it so much better than I.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> And did not in fact do so. He abandoned the attempt.
>
> As he has, from his own lips as it were, admitted to the willingness to
> 'borrow' said app, I will concede thhat point.
And who really gives a shit anyway? Two of the most offensive posters
here playing net nannies.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> --
> "And, since, according to my logs, S.Heenan and GPF have shared the same
> IP, at shaw.ca, I can conclude that GPF is guilty, himself. A neat
> trick, eh? " - Linųnut, on DHCP, RFC 977, and reading comprehension.
You get the exact quoting down right, it's that second clause that
screws you up.
This is the first time I've noticed that there is a field (in addition
to NNTP-Posting-Host) in the headers of both you bozos:
X-Trace-PostClient-IP. Sneer if you must.
I'm not going to post what I found under your name using google.
--
Code is community.
GreyCloud
Yeah, and you ought to know. When is your leader of the
Aryan Nations getting out of prison?
Or did they leave him in there to rot?
Must have made you pretty sore.
GreyCloud
The only thing projected is already up your ass.
>
> Be so kind as to provide one, just one, example where I've used an
> unlicenced/warezed/stolen product. Call it near incontrovertible proof if
> you wish.
>
> Better yet, use the famous "KKKohlmann Technique®", again.
Yet you are using the faggot$oft trolling technique that
sweaty blammer taught you in the bath house.
>
> "Impatient at home, I
> gnutella'd for partition magic, but only found french versions, so had
> to wait to get back to work and use our copy."
>
> Scene I Act I: Best Buy Returns and Exchanges Counter
>
> "May I help you Sir ? " "Hi, Angie. I was in here last Thursday to "pick
> up" this copy of Partition Magic. When I finally got around to using it, I
> found it to be the Finnish version; totally unsuitable for my needs. May I
> exchange it ?" "Certainly Sir. If I could please have your sales receipt, I
> will be happy to process the exchange." "Well, here's the thing Angie: since
> I only wanted to use it once, I really didn't think it was very fair for me
> to have to purchase it. Therefore, I /borrowed/ it, and don't have a
> receipt." "Certainly Sir, I do understand. One moment while I call our
> Special Exchanges Representatives. They will be delighted to accommodate
> your every need."
blah, blah, blah... tell us some more fairy tales, hyeena.
>
> S. Heehan ("Simon Cooke") is of the same ilk. In fact, if you look at
> some of his posts in other forums, you see that he quite regularly
> laughs at people for their ignorance, without taking the time to inform
> them.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>
> Pssssst, nut, come a little closer, I have a secret to tell you: Not only
> I'm I Simon Cooke, I'm also flatfish+++, Relf, GPF, DFS, Rich Bell, Bailo,
> billwg, and every other "Wintroll/Mactroll". Honest.
>
So you have a multi-personality disorder. Tell us something
new, hyeena.
> Let's keep this one on the DL, k ?
>
> Your friend, Daeron, teh Twollslayer, < BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *PMSL*> is
> receiving psychotronic mind-control signals from the cosmos. No doubt the
> aliens have been co-opted by the dark forces of "Micro$oft".
>
> As a result, he has grand delusions of persecution. Ask Jack Schofield. Yes,
> that's right, Jack Schofield, of the Guardian. Did I mention Jack Schofield
> ?
>
Hah. And sweaty blammer is still reaming your stinkin'
arse.
And he did it because you've failed your trolling duties.
> Are you able to tune in to the very same "super sekret" frequency the goof
> Daeron is ?
>
> I really should release my new sig under the GPL.
>
> "FREE", as in libre, not "free" as in a warez version of Partition Magic.
>
Guffaw!! Wintrolls are the biggest thieves of all. Of
course no one will really know just how much pirated
software you've got.
GreyCloud
>
> On 2005-09-26, Linųnut <linųn...@bone.com> wrote:
> > General Protection Fault poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
> >
> >> On 2005-09-25, S.Heenan <hee...@uhuh.n3t> wrote:
> >>> Linųnut wrote:
> >>><snip>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the new sig. :-)
> >>
> >> A classic.
> >
> > Actually, I think it rather Polly-Annish of the two of you. Whenever I
> > have expressed reservations about using someone's copy of software, I
> > usually get scoffed at, as if I were some kind of Polly Anna. In fact,
> > the only people who would seem not to scoff at such a thing are
> > yourself and S.Heenan.
> >
> > Which leads me to believe you two are simply playing a net game.
> >
> > Tell me, General Protection Fault, just how squeaky-clean you are.
>
> I use no unlicensed software whatsoever.
Yeah, sure. Ol' General Pecker Failure strikes again.
GreyCloud
>
> On 2005-09-26, Linųnut <linųn...@bone.com> wrote:
> > General Protection Fault poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
> >
> >>> Impatient at home, I
> >>> gnutella'd for partition magic, but only found french versions, so had
> >>> for Linux.
> >>
> >> You tried to steal Partition Magic?
> >
> > No.
>
> Then what exactly were you doing?
>
What is it to you??
Go troll over in kooks.net
And use the handle General Pecker Failure.
Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:29:09 GMT,
General Protection Fault <y...@must.be.joking.mil> wrote:
> On 2005-09-26, Jim Richardson <war...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:16:34 +0200,
>> Jesse F. Hughes <je...@phiwumbda.org> wrote:
>>> General Protection Fault <y...@must.be.joking.mil> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2005-09-24, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:58:26 +0000, Rich Bell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A member of the COLAnuts doesn't think to use a Linux solution to a problem?
>>>>>> Instead, he searches for a Windows app to pirate when he could download a
>>>>>> Knoppix ISO. Not much of an advocate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, where is your proof that the intended to pirate said app?
>>>>
>>>> Are you brainless? What else is it when you download the software from
>>>> a P2P network? Even if he had a licence he can't do that.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Clearly, Linonut planned to download and use software he had
>>> no right to.
>>>
>>> I will not claim I'm not guilty of an occasional copyright violation,
>>> but let's be honest here. What Linonut was doing is legally and
>>> probably morally wrong.
>>>
>>
>> Except of course, that he *didn't* do it... Perhaps not for the right
>> reason, but none the less, the act of piracy didn't occur
>
> If he succeeded in transferring the file to his computer, he DID do it.
>
In Message-ID: <j7SdnbvjX9E...@comcast.com>
<quote>
Then I decide I will put Linux on it, for tool access and portability
testing of my code. Had to repartition. Impatient at home, I
gnutella'd for partition magic, but only found french versions, so had
to wait to get back to work and use our copy. 60 Gb for Windows, 20 Gb
for Linux.
</quote>
Perhaps you could try reading the post you are commenting on. Just a
suggestion.
> Attempted murder is a crime. Attempting to commit a crime is also wrong.
violation of copyright is not murder.
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--
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it."
-Voltaire
Kier
Of course, they're always the ones who claim to be lily-white. Heenan's
just quote-stealing nymshifting wanker in my book.
--
Kier
S.Heenan
> Heenan's just quote-stealing nymshifting wanker in my book.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Call the coppers. Call your MP. Call Google. Call ever ISP under the sun.
Tell them I've "stolen" a line of text from a Usenet post.
--
"... naturally, we tend to be a bit reticent in admitting
to any failings Linux might have." -kier
S.Heenan
> I'm not going to post what I found under your name using google.
Message-ID: <ZNGdnYxSybU...@comcast.com>
In fact, I know that S.Heenan has
posted information about how to obtain a certain piece of warez.
Bring it on, big fella.
See that Message ID thingie ? Don't forget to include it.
Kier
> Kier wrote:
>> Heenan's just quote-stealing nymshifting wanker in my book.
>
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>
> Call the coppers. Call your MP. Call Google. Call ever ISP under the sun.
> Tell them I've "stolen" a line of text from a Usenet post.
You did from me - took something I wrote, quoted out of context, and used
it as a sneering .sig. That's about all you're good for. That and
screaming:
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You're just a prick. And certainly a nymshifter. And pretty much a total
waste of oxygen. Come back when you are capable of making a genuine and
useful contribution to the discussion of Linux.
--
Kier
Kier
"... naturally, we tend to be a bit reticent in admitting
to any failings Linux might have." -kier
Hey, quote-stealer, *now* tell me you don't steal quotes.
--
Kier
Linønut
> violation of copyright is not murder.
Google for partition magic
On the right are a few sponsored links advertising Partition Magic for
$19-$25. One link states that it is an OEM CD. The other links are
silent on the provenance of the CD, as far as I can tell.
Amazon provides a bunch of legit links for prices from $60-70$, but also
a "used" one from some dude, for $35. With an "Add to Cart" link.
"click-now.net" has a bunch of "free" software, including Partition
Magic.
Quite a range of options.
--
Code is community.
Linønut
> Bring it on, big fella.
No.
> See that Message ID thingie ? Don't forget to include it.
No Message ID.
Kissy! Kissy!
--
Code is community.
DFS
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:56:29 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> steve wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:02:16 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It sounds to me like the cygwin slopware ruined his XP partition,
>>>> and you conveniently blamed it on XP.
>>>
>>> Hm, so user level apps can ruin XP?
>>
>> If they're written by Linux wackjobs at cygwin.
>
> Okay, I think I can see your problem.
>
>
> You once excused windows for blue-screening when doing TCPIP
> printing - because TCP/IP printing is a complex tasks.
You sure I excused it? I don't think so.
> What you do not get is how an OS is suppose to work.
>
> A decent OS should prevent user programs from breaking the OS, sure
> they can overwrite their memory space and screw themselves, this
> should not affect any other program running on the system.
Then you have some nerve implying Linux is "decent":
Real Player locked up Linux
http://list.nmlug.org/nmlug/2000-March/msg00022.html
Linux freezes and requires hard reboot:
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-6656.html
There's endless examples out there of Linux apps locking up the OS.
Do some research, and next time you won't look so uninformed and stupid.
>>> Where does the slopware reside?
>>
>> Seems to be in cygwin1.dll
>
> How so, how does that dll make the OS screw itself?
It doesn't.
The .dll itself screws the OS.
> Does this mean anyone developing code outside a MS Access/VB playpen
> mean they can screw their OS while testing their code?
>>>> So, yes, anti-MS FUD. But nothing new here on cola.
>>>
>>> Windows - where user apps destroy your OS.
>>
>> Linux: we now blame our bad code on Windows.
>
> DFS: Too fookin stupid for words.
plonk
chrisv
But he's still worth feeding, appearently.
General Protection Fault
You're a retard. How would you explain that we have different IPs
RIGHT NOW? You know, Shaw shuffles IPs, and it's not impossible
that we would have shared at least one over the course of the past few years.
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linųnut, defending his piracy of Partition Magic in c.o.l.a
FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE i386
8:20AM up 69 days, 20:09, 1 user, load averages: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
General Protection Fault
> Linønut" <"=?iso-8859-1?Q?lin=F8nut?= wrote:
>> General Protection Fault poked his little head through the XP
>> firewall and said:
>>
>>> The guy is a pirate, pure and simple.
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> He COULD have downloaded a free
>>> trial of Partition Magic. He COULD have waited until he got to work
>>> and illegally used that copy unless they had a site licence. He
>>> COULD have bought the software from the store. He COULD have bought
>>> it online and downloaded it legitimatelly. Instead, he chose to
>>> STEAL it.
>>
>> Hypocrite.
>
>
>
> Wow, the KKKohlmann Technique®.
>
> Colour me doubly impressed.
Yeah, considering he hasn't explained any hypocrisy.
Me, I *own* Partition Magic. I have a box and everything.
--
"Why would I pay $50 for an app I will use one time?"
-- Linønut, defending his piracy of Partition Magic in c.o.l.a