[News] [Rival] Steve Ballmer: Some Things Should Only Work in Windows
Roy Schestowitz
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| Do you run into a dilemma with Windows Live services -- Silverlight...
| one of the points you mentioned, the second thing you mentioned was that
| it runs on Mac, runs on Linux. But if you're gonna do web-based it can't
| only work on Windows..
|
| Some things should only work on Windows, some things work
| cross-platform... we're gonna do different things in Windows than
| you can do in Linux and on the Mac. We need to be able to support
| both models of development.
`----
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/30/steve-ballmer-live-from-d-2007/
3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running Scared
,----[ Quote ]
| 1. Millions of children running Linux.
|
| 2. Windows developers are taking notice.
|
| 3. OLPC is breaking the cost rules.
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Related:
Governments Must Reject Gates' $3 Bid to Addict Next Billion PC Users
,----[ Quote ]
| Specifically, Bill Gates, citing China as an example, said:
|
| "Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but
| people don't pay for the software," he said. "Someday they will, though.
| As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours.
| They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to
| collect sometime in the next decade."[1]
`----
http://www.cybersource.com.au/press/gates_set_to_addict_next_billion.html
John Bailo
> Steve Ballmer live from D 2007
This picture speaks to the youthful dynamism of Vista and Windows!
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/05/steve-ballmer-d-02.jpg
Rah!
Rah!
Ra --- cough! Ow...where's my digitalis?
flyer
newsg...@schestowitz.com says...
> Some things should only work on Windows, some things work
Amazing. He talks as though there is some kind of important stability or
validity on the part of windows. What a joke.
And Ballmer, what a pompous, delusional, junk selling asshole.
Erik Funkenbusch
> 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running Scared
Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running scared.
1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's a reason most of
the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now having millions of people with
computers to run such scams will only make things worse.
Jim Richardson
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Wheras if they just had MS windows pcs, why all would be sweetness and
light...
When folks carp about Gates giving free stuff out to the masses in
Africa et al, you chastise them, and rightly so.
Then you turn around and do the same fucking thing.
Of course, using your logic, we should immediately outlaw MS Windows,
since almost all spam and DDOS attacks originate on MS-Windows infested
machines.
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Roy Schestowitz
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> On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:09:42 -0500,
> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 22:28:33 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running Scared
>>
>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running scared.
>>
>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's a reason most of
>> the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now having millions of people with
>> computers to run such scams will only make things worse.
>>
>> http://www.419eater.com/
More FUD, Erik, no? Maybe we should also take away all the PCs from people in
Ukrania and Korea as well.
> Wheras if they just had MS windows pcs, why all would be sweetness and
> light...
>
> When folks carp about Gates giving free stuff out to the masses in
> Africa et al, you chastise them, and rightly so.
>
> Then you turn around and do the same fucking thing.
>
>
> Of course, using your logic, we should immediately outlaw MS Windows,
> since almost all spam and DDOS attacks originate on MS-Windows infested
> machines.
>
>
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Erik Funkenbusch
> More FUD, Erik, no? Maybe we should also take away all the PCs from people in
> Ukrania and Korea as well.
Are you that incapable of reading comprehension? Oh yeah, you are.
I didn't say one fucking word about taking PC's away from anyone, so why
don't you just shut the fuck up and stop trying to rewrite everything you
fucking read, you almost *ALWAYS* get it wrong.
What the FUCK is wrong with you?
Erik Funkenbusch
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> On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:09:42 -0500,
> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 22:28:33 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running Scared
>>
>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running scared.
>>
>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's a reason most of
>> the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now having millions of people with
>> computers to run such scams will only make things worse.
>>
>> http://www.419eater.com/
>
> Wheras if they just had MS windows pcs, why all would be sweetness and
> light...
No. Notice where I said "free PC's", not "Free Linux PC's"? No, you
didn't notice that, did you? Of course not, that would interfere with your
attempts to put words in my mouth.
Grow the fuck up.
> When folks carp about Gates giving free stuff out to the masses in
> Africa et al, you chastise them, and rightly so.
Free medical care is not the same thing as free PC's, especially to areas
rife with corruption and massive phishing culture. This is the ultimate
"teach a man to phish" story.
> Of course, using your logic, we should immediately outlaw MS Windows,
> since almost all spam and DDOS attacks originate on MS-Windows infested
> machines.
That's because almost all computers are MS-Windows based computers.
Rafael
That is a rather racist approach, blaming the children on ills
created by a criminal element and denying them learning
resources.
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Rafael
>>> In Message-ID: <1ab6759hbc4j3$.d...@funkenbusch.com>,
>>> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running
>>>> scared.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's.
>>>> There's a reason most of the 419 scams come out of
>>>> nigeria, and now having millions of people with
>>>> computers to run such scams will only make things
>>>> worse.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.419eater.com/
No further questions, your honor. The defense rests.
Hadron Quark
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running Scared
>>
>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running scared.
>>
>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's a
>> reason most of the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now having
>> millions of people with computers to run such scams will only make
>> things worse.
>>
>> http://www.419eater.com/
>
> That is a rather racist approach, blaming the children on ills
> created by a criminal element and denying them learning
> resources.
I think you need to "insmod" your humor module.
--
Naeser's Law:
You can make it foolproof, but you can't make it damnfoolproof.
Hadron Quark
Roy is a liar and a spammer. It's all about Roy. In Roy' world he's
always right and people await his pronouncements with glee. In the real
world he's known as a paranoid nutter with a tendency to tell lies.
Erik Funkenbusch
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:02:50 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> More FUD, Erik, no? Maybe we should also take away all
>>> the PCs from people in Ukrania and Korea as well.
>>
>> Are you that incapable of reading comprehension? Oh yeah,
>> you are.
>>
>> I didn't say one fucking word about taking PC's away from
>> anyone, so why don't you just shut the fuck up and stop
>> trying to rewrite everything you fucking read, you almost
>> *ALWAYS* get it wrong.
>>
>> What the FUCK is wrong with you?
>
>>>> In Message-ID: <1ab6759hbc4j3$.d...@funkenbusch.com>,
>>>> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running
>>>>> scared.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's.
>>>>> There's a reason most of the 419 scams come out of
>>>>> nigeria, and now having millions of people with
>>>>> computers to run such scams will only make things
>>>>> worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.419eater.com/
>
> No further questions, your honor. The defense rests.
What is it you think you're proving? Where in my post did I say anything
about taking a PC away from someone? I didn't. I said giving them PC's
should make anyone scared.
Do you understand the difference between not giving something, and taking
away something one already has? Apparently not.
Erik Funkenbusch
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running
>>> Scared
>>
>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running scared.
>>
>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's a
>> reason most of the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now
>> having millions of people with computers to run such scams
>> will only make things worse.
>>
>> http://www.419eater.com/
>
> That is a rather racist approach, blaming the children on ills
> created by a criminal element and denying them learning
> resources.
"A criminal element"? 419 scams are "legitimate" businesses in Nigeria,
employing many thousands. The government doesn't do anything about them.
The children are being taught that this is the way you make a living by
example.
This isn't racist, it's a nationwide cultural issue, regardless of race.
It's no different than talking about rampant pircacy in asia, where there
are people on the street selling you pirated software and movies out in the
open. So too are 419's out in the open and rampant everywhere in Nigeria,
according to various reports i've read.
Perhaps the country should consider solving it's problems before handing
out tools to make them worse. It would be like the government giving away
millions of handguns, then wondering why gun related crime goes through the
roof, despite a noble reason (giving people the benefit of self defense) to
do so.
Peter Köhlmann
It is very telling that our local FUDmeister Erik F thinks that it is OK to
deny a group of people access to computers just because there are also some
criminals.
Well done, Erik. Move right over to our resident scumbag DFS. You are just
as bad a racist as that swine
--
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Erik Funkenbusch
Is there something in the water that makes you people incapable of
understanding simple english?
I didn't say to deny anyone access to computers. I said, *GIVING* MILLIONS
of people in a country with rampant, and government ignored internet fraud
free PC's should make anyone scared.
How, precisely do you get "I want to deny them access to computers" from
that? How does Schestowitz get "I want to take away everyone's computers"
from that?
Let me spell it out in big letters for you. "BEING SCARED OF SOMETHING DOES
NOT EQUATE TO ADVOCATING DENIAL OF ACCESS TO SOMETHING"
Did that get through to you yet?
Peter Köhlmann
Yes, Erik, you are doing well. You are trying to insert new meanings into
words the typical Funkenbusch style
Tell us, Erik, why is the vast majority of Spam mails originating in the US?
Why don't you go after those with your so obviously vastly superior laws
(compared to nigerian law) to crack down on the spam and the phishing
mails? A very small percentage of the phishing mails is of the 419-type,
yet Erik, the newly outed racist, thinks it is better to not let computers
get into the hands of kids of which some few might end up as "nigerian
scammers".
Yet he finds it perfectly normal that those white US-citizens phishing the
rest of the world have access to better and better computers. No harm in
that, as they are fellow whites, right, Erik?
--
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And web browsing. And viewing pictures. And...
Hadron Quark
Peter Köhlmann <peter.k...@t-online.de> writes:
> It is very telling that our local FUDmeister Erik F thinks that it is OK to
> deny a group of people access to computers just because there are also some
> criminals.
>
> Well done, Erik. Move right over to our resident scumbag DFS. You are just
> as bad a racist as that swine
More telling is that yet again your inability to correctly read the
English language puts you in a rather embarrassing situation.
Erik never said anyone should be denied anything, He did say, in a
humorous post, that a lot of us should be running scared (hint tuning
our SPAM filters to Willy Boaster type levels of perfection).
And I quote:
>>>>>>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's.
>>>>>>> There's a reason most of the 419 scams come out of
>>>>>>> nigeria, and now having millions of people with
>>>>>>> computers to run such scams will only make things
>>>>>>> worse.
So, yet again you are *wrong* and caught lying and slandering with zero
evidence to back you up.
Poor Peter. Caught out again twisting the truth in a "vile and scumbag"
manner.
--
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unclear and needs explanation? : Peter Köhlmann, COLA.
Ramon F Herrera
wrote:
Erik:
We all knew about your indenture servitude to Microsoft, but your
being a racist is news (at least to me).
-Ramon
DFS
> Well done, Erik. Move right over to our resident scumbag DFS. You are
> just as bad a racist as that swine
I doubt it - very much.
In fact, he made zero racist comments, but you're not one to let the truth
interfere with your stupidity.
Hadron Quark
How is it racist?
Is it also "racist" to say that Ireland is the world's biggest SW
exporter?
Are you mad?
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chrisv
>Where in my post did I say anything
>about taking a PC away from someone? I didn't. I said giving them PC's
>should make anyone scared.
Dumbshit fscking asshole. They are ralated concepts. Think "the more
they have, the worse it is".
What the FUCK is wrong with you, Erik?
chrisv
>Let me spell it out in big letters for you. "BEING SCARED OF SOMETHING DOES
>NOT EQUATE TO ADVOCATING DENIAL OF ACCESS TO SOMETHING"
Let me spell it out in big letters for you. YOU HAVE AGAIN SHOWN WHAT
A FSCKING ASSHOLE YOU ARE, AND NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO SHOUT YOUR WAY
OUT OF YOUR PREDICAMENT.
Peter Köhlmann
> Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> writes:
>
>> On May 30, 11:09 pm, Erik Funkenbusch <e...@despam-funkenbusch.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 22:28:33 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>> > 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running Scared
>>>
>>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running scared.
>>>
>>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's a reason most
>>> of the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now having millions of people
>>> with computers to run such scams will only make things worse.
>>>
>>> http://www.419eater.com/
>>
>> Erik:
>>
>> We all knew about your indenture servitude to Microsoft, but your
>> being a racist is news (at least to me).
>
> How is it racist?
>
> Is it also "racist" to say that Ireland is the world's biggest SW
> exporter?
>
> Are you mad?
>
The "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user" and "swapfile
expert" Hadron Quark equates "exporting software" to "having millions of
people with computers to run such scams". And he thinks that both are not
racist.
Yeah right. One is doing legit business. The other is Erik implying that the
nigerians will for the millions of them run 419-scams if you just give them
computers.
Well done, Hadron, another fine "true advocacy" post from you. Defending
outright racism from Erik Funkenbusch is certainly "advocacy". The Hadron
Quark way
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But enough about myself...
tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com
>
> What is it you think you're proving? Where in my post did I say anything
> about taking a PC away from someone? I didn't. I said giving them PC's
> should make anyone scared.
>
> Do you understand the difference between not giving something, and taking
> away something one already has? Apparently not.
I don't see that point (taking vs giving) as relevant to the real
issue here. You seemed to imply that Nigerian children are somehow
predisposed to being criminals (just by being Nigerian evidently).
Some of us find that idea a bit offensive. If that is not what
you meant, please clarify.
Why exactly should I be afraid of giving a PC to a Nigerian child?
What makes you think he/she will misuse it? Is just growing up in
the same country as a bunch of criminals enough to corrupt all the
youth of an entire nation? Should I shun the children of my friends
in Chicago when I hear of organized crime problems there?
I'm just trying to understand the logic of your statement.
Thad
Hadron Quark
> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is it you think you're proving? Where in my post did I say anything
>> about taking a PC away from someone? I didn't. I said giving them PC's
>> should make anyone scared.
>>
>> Do you understand the difference between not giving something, and taking
>> away something one already has? Apparently not.
>
> I don't see that point (taking vs giving) as relevant to the real
> issue here. You seemed to imply that Nigerian children are somehow
> predisposed to being criminals (just by being Nigerian evidently).
> Some of us find that idea a bit offensive. If that is not what
> you meant, please clarify.
Come on Thad, get off your high horse. It was a bit of humour.
Or do you deny that the well documented majority of 419 scams do not
originate in Nigeria?
>
> Why exactly should I be afraid of giving a PC to a Nigerian child?
> What makes you think he/she will misuse it? Is just growing up in
> the same country as a bunch of criminals enough to corrupt all the
> youth of an entire nation? Should I shun the children of my friends
> in Chicago when I hear of organized crime problems there?
>
> I'm just trying to understand the logic of your statement.
Then pop out to the local Walmart and buy a sense of humour.
Or do you also find it offensive when its pointed out that the majority
of top flight basketball players are black?
Does any subject involving country, race or colour offend you?
>
> Thad
>
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Peter Köhlmann
> tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com writes:
>
>> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is it you think you're proving? Where in my post did I say
>>> anything
>>> about taking a PC away from someone? I didn't. I said giving them PC's
>>> should make anyone scared.
>>>
>>> Do you understand the difference between not giving something, and
>>> taking
>>> away something one already has? Apparently not.
>>
>> I don't see that point (taking vs giving) as relevant to the real
>> issue here. You seemed to imply that Nigerian children are somehow
>> predisposed to being criminals (just by being Nigerian evidently).
>> Some of us find that idea a bit offensive. If that is not what
>> you meant, please clarify.
>
> Come on Thad, get off your high horse. It was a bit of humour.
>
Nope, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user" and "swapfile
expert" Hadron Quark, that was everything *but* humour.
And it was not even a tiny bit funny
It was outright racism from Erik Funkenbusch
> Or do you deny that the well documented majority of 419 scams do not
> originate in Nigeria?
This has *what* to do with implying that all of nigerian kids will be
419-scammers if you are just "dumb enough to give them computers", Hadron
Quark?
< snip more incredible idiotic stuff from Hadron Quark >
You are again doing well. Yet another fine "true advocacy" post from you.
Defending outright racism is, after all, "true linux advocacy" the Hadron
Quark way. Even flatfish would approve of you. He knows well. He is a vile
racist
--
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the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com
>
> How is it racist?
>
> Is it also "racist" to say that Ireland is the world's biggest SW
> exporter?
Only if you imply some broad generalization about Ireland's children
based on that fact.
Honestly, I want to believe that Erik did not mean his joke in the
way it was received by many here, but words are often slippery
beasts and people are often much more quick to take offense when
possible prejudice is perceived. Slinging insults back at those
offended people only deepens the offense. I would suggest the
following:
- Understand that human language is imprecise, and two people
can read the same statement and come away with different shades
of meaning.
- Realize that what you meant to say is actually less important
than what others think you said.
- You will never change someone's mind by yelling at them or
insulting them. More likely you will deepen their conviction.
- Make an effort to understand the viewpoint of those that were
offended. You don't need to agree with it, but understanding
is necessary before real dialog can occur. Asking honest,
polite questions is a good path toward understanding.
- If someone is offended by something you say, apologize for any
unintentional offense and attempt to clarify the meaning of the
earlier statement. Even if you doubt the sincerity of the
offended party or fail to change their mind, you will make a
better impression on others who witness the exchange.
I tend to try and take people's words in the most positive,
charitable way possible... and when I read Erik's 'joke' my
first thought was 'ouch, that's going to ruffle some feathers'.
Erik should really try to understand why that sort of statement
has that kind of effect if he wants to avoid stepping in it
again. This is something more than just COLA bias at play
here, it runs a bit deeper and could land him in a spot of
trouble if he makes a similarly statement in a board room or
to a reporter.
Just a thought.
Thad
Hadron Quark
> Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> How is it racist?
>>
>> Is it also "racist" to say that Ireland is the world's biggest SW
>> exporter?
>
> Only if you imply some broad generalization about Ireland's children
> based on that fact.
>
> Honestly, I want to believe that Erik did not mean his joke in the
> way it was received by many here, but words are often slippery
> beasts and people are often much more quick to take offense when
That is their problem.
> possible prejudice is perceived. Slinging insults back at those
> offended people only deepens the offense. I would suggest the
> following:
>
> - Understand that human language is imprecise, and two people
I do. See above.
As for apologizing for other peoples misinterpretation? Get a grip.
*snip*
Not everything needs analyzing to the 10th degree.
It was humour. It was in NO way racist. End of story.
It indicates more of a problem in your mind set if you think his
commenst were, in any way, derogatory about black children over, say,
white children.
You do know that white people live in Nigeria too don't you?
As usual the biggest issues are raised by those who *want* to find
issues.
Tim Smith
Ramon F Herrera <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
> > 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's a reason most of
> > the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now having millions of people with
> > computers to run such scams will only make things worse.
> >
> > http://www.419eater.com/
>
> Erik:
>
> We all knew about your indenture servitude to Microsoft, but your
> being a racist is news (at least to me).
Uhm...he said NIGERIAN, not the word you seem to think he said.
--
--Tim Smith
Linonut
> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is it you think you're proving? Where in my post did I say anything
>> about taking a PC away from someone? I didn't. I said giving them PC's
>> should make anyone scared.
>>
>> Do you understand the difference between not giving something, and taking
>> away something one already has? Apparently not.
>
> I'm just trying to understand the logic of your statement.
Erik doesn't argue logic. He argues semantics.
--
Windows Vista -- "This time we've not just cut corners, we've rounded
them off."
tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com
>
> Come on Thad, get off your high horse. It was a bit of humour.
>
> Or do you deny that the well documented majority of 419 scams do not
> originate in Nigeria?
The origin of most 419 scams is not really the issue here. What
conclusions one chooses to draw about Nigerian children based on
that fact is the issue. If Erik did not intend for those
conclusions to be drawn, then he needs to clarify his statement.
> Then pop out to the local Walmart and buy a sense of humour.
>
> Or do you also find it offensive when its pointed out that the majority
> of top flight basketball players are black?
Only if you try to imply something about all black children based
on that observation. Suggesting, for example, that we steer black
children toward athletics rather than academics based on the racial
make-up of the NBA would be very offensive. I can imagine a joke
involving free basketballs that might go over just as poorly as
Erik's.
> Does any subject involving country, race or colour offend you?
No, only when the topic is used to draw broad conclusions about
individuals based on a group they are only indirectly associated
with. Step back for a moment and try and hear that joke from
the perspective of a Nigerian parent or child.
Thad
chrisv
>Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> How is it racist?
>>
>> Is it also "racist" to say that Ireland is the world's biggest SW
>> exporter?
>
>Only if you imply some broad generalization about Ireland's children
>based on that fact.
Not even then, because there's nothing wrong with being a SW exporter.
No one takes offense when someone says "people in country X tend to be
smart, good-looking, and virtuous".
>Honestly, I want to believe that Erik did not mean his joke
I do not agree that it was a joke.
>In the way it was received by many here, but words are often slippery
>beasts and people are often much more quick to take offense when
>possible prejudice is perceived. Slinging insults back at those
>offended people only deepens the offense. I would suggest the
>following:
I tend to agree, that it may have been, initially, an excusable
brain-fart. However, his lashing-out and "shouting", while repeating
the "should make anyone scared" FUD made him look REALLY guilty.
Hadron Quark
> Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Come on Thad, get off your high horse. It was a bit of humour.
>>
>> Or do you deny that the well documented majority of 419 scams do not
>> originate in Nigeria?
>
> The origin of most 419 scams is not really the issue here. What
It is. Its why Erik pointed out that PCs in Nigeria are used for such scams.
> conclusions one chooses to draw about Nigerian children based on
> that fact is the issue. If Erik did not intend for those
> conclusions to be drawn, then he needs to clarify his statement.
here, I'll say it. More Nigerians use the 419 scam than others. Here's
another fact - most Nigerians are black,
Now, what above is racist or intolerant?
In other news, most Nazis in the second world war were white Germans.
is that offensive too?
More breaking news:
Most UK football hooligans are white lower to middle class males with
little experience of University education.
is that sexist, racist and elitist all in one?
Lighten up Thad - you're bigger than this.
>
>> Then pop out to the local Walmart and buy a sense of humour.
>>
>> Or do you also find it offensive when its pointed out that the majority
>> of top flight basketball players are black?
>
> Only if you try to imply something about all black children based
> on that observation. Suggesting, for example, that we steer black
> children toward athletics rather than academics based on the racial
> make-up of the NBA would be very offensive. I can imagine a joke
> involving free basketballs that might go over just as poorly as
> Erik's.
Huh?
>
>> Does any subject involving country, race or colour offend you?
>
> No, only when the topic is used to draw broad conclusions about
> individuals based on a group they are only indirectly associated
> with. Step back for a moment and try and hear that joke from
> the perspective of a Nigerian parent or child.
Why? Do they deny the 419 scam is linked with Nigeria?
>
> Thad
>
You just confirmed everything I said in my previous post.
I think the fault is more in the way you think.
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>Ignore the forger.
>
>* plonk *
Ignore the forger.
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tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com
>>
>> - Understand that human language is imprecise, and two people
>
> I do. See above.
>
> As for apologizing for other peoples misinterpretation? Get a grip.
don't be surprised when you piss a lot of people off needlessly.
>
> Not everything needs analyzing to the 10th degree.
>
> It was humour. It was in NO way racist. End of story.
It may not have been intentionally prejudice, but it was taken
that way, and that makes the story live on whether one likes
it or not.
> It indicates more of a problem in your mind set if you think his
> commenst were, in any way, derogatory about black children over, say,
> white children.
>
> You do know that white people live in Nigeria too don't you?
What does black or white have to do with it? The offensive
implication was that Nigerian children are prone to being
criminal. It would be just as offensive if you said French
children or American children or left handed children. Maybe
racist is the wrong word... but then I don't think I was the
one who used it (I believe I said 'offensive').
> As usual the biggest issues are raised by those who *want* to find
> issues.
Perhaps, but that is the world we live in. You can either
attempt understand it and communicate more clearly, or you
can blunder through obliviously with no regard to how you
are perceived. Just don't act all shocked if the latter
course leaves a lot of people pissed off at you.
Tell yourself that the opinions of the COLA faithful is
unimportant to you, but this actually goes deeper than that.
If you fail to understand why the original joke was so
offensive to some, then you are in danger of making a similar
mistake some day and influence the opinion of someone who DOES
matter to you. It is the sort of mistake that often ruins
careers and political aspirations.
Believe it or not, I actually usually appreciate the views of
you and Erik and others often labeled as trolls on this forum.
I'm not criticizing Erik's statement just to pile on with the
rest of the COLA hoard. I'm honestly trying to point out why
some find it offensive in hopes that those sorts of mistakes
can be avoided in the future. It just gets in the way of the
technology related arguments that we really come here for.
Peace,
Thad
chrisv
>Just don't act all shocked if the latter
>course leaves a lot of people pissed off at you.
Quack is an asshole. He wants to piss people off.
>Believe it or not, I actually usually appreciate the views of
>you and Erik and others often labeled as trolls on this forum.
I honestly cannot imagine why you would "appreciate" the views of a
lying troll like Quack, who, essentially, just takes the immoral side
of every issue, no matter what he actually may believe.
Likewise with your comment to DFS the other day, saying that you want
to give him "the benefit of the doubt". What doubt could remain?
Literally years of his cheap shots and "Linux is hobbyware"-caliber
trolling is not obvious enough?
tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com
>>
>> The origin of most 419 scams is not really the issue here. What
>
> It is. Its why Erik pointed out that PCs in Nigeria are used for such scams.
And PCs in other countries are also used for many sorts of crime.
What does any of that have to do with Nigerian school children?
>> conclusions one chooses to draw about Nigerian children based on
>> that fact is the issue. If Erik did not intend for those
>> conclusions to be drawn, then he needs to clarify his statement.
>
> here, I'll say it. More Nigerians use the 419 scam than others. Here's
> another fact - most Nigerians are black,
>
> Now, what above is racist or intolerant?
Nothing, but Erik's original statement went farther than that.
He did not just mention that 419 scams originate in Nigeria; he
suggested we should fear giving computers to Nigerian children,
implying they will just be used to run more scams. Try saying
that to the face of a Nigerian child and see how that joke goes
over.
> In other news, most Nazis in the second world war were white Germans.
>
> is that offensive too?
>
> More breaking news:
>
> Most UK football hooligans are white lower to middle class males with
> little experience of University education.
>
> is that sexist, racist and elitist all in one?
Well, actually I know some very educated football hooligans that
really should know better... but we digress. :)
>> Only if you try to imply something about all black children based
>> on that observation. Suggesting, for example, that we steer black
>> children toward athletics rather than academics based on the racial
>> make-up of the NBA would be very offensive. I can imagine a joke
>> involving free basketballs that might go over just as poorly as
>> Erik's.
>
> Huh?
OK, I evidently stated that poorly. I was trying to make a point
that the problem was not with the observation about 419 scams,
but the joke involving school children that was linked to it.
>
> Why? Do they deny the 419 scam is linked with Nigeria?
No, but why should that make us fear Nigerian school children?
Should they be denied a better education because of the actions
of a relatively small segment of their population? And yes,
I understand it was meant as a joke, but that makes it no less
offensive to many people.
>
> You just confirmed everything I said in my previous post.
>
> I think the fault is more in the way you think.
Perhaps, but a hell of a lot of the world thinks that way. I'm
just trying to explain it to you. For what its worth, I don't
believe you or Erik or anyone here really has anything against
Nigerian children... but careless words can still give that
impression.
Peace,
Thad
William Poaster
> Likewise with your comment to DFS the other day, saying that you want to
> give him "the benefit of the doubt". What doubt could remain? Literally
> years of his cheap shots and "Linux is hobbyware"-caliber trolling is
> not obvious enough?
Obviously not to Quack. So he's just a wintroll offering comfort to
another wintroll.
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chrisv
>I'm just trying to explain it to you.
Waste of time. The troll will always be contrary.
Erik Funkenbusch
> Tell us, Erik, why is the vast majority of Spam mails originating in the US?
You do understand that there's a difference between spam and fraud, right?
Also, the vast majority of spam I get is from asia.
> Why don't you go after those with your so obviously vastly superior laws
> (compared to nigerian law) to crack down on the spam and the phishing
> mails? A very small percentage of the phishing mails is of the 419-type,
> yet Erik, the newly outed racist, thinks it is better to not let computers
> get into the hands of kids of which some few might end up as "nigerian
> scammers".
Most phishing originates from out side the US, this is clear based on the
lack of even basic understanding of english that most phishing emails show.
Most are from Russian and Slavic oriented countries, where US law can't
touch them.
> Yet he finds it perfectly normal that those white US-citizens phishing the
> rest of the world have access to better and better computers. No harm in
> that, as they are fellow whites, right, Erik?
One of the worlds biggest spammers was recently arrested. So go figure.
Erik Funkenbusch
"Related concepts"... In other words, putting words in someones mouth.
Erik Funkenbusch
> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is it you think you're proving? Where in my post did I say anything
>> about taking a PC away from someone? I didn't. I said giving them PC's
>> should make anyone scared.
>>
>> Do you understand the difference between not giving something, and taking
>> away something one already has? Apparently not.
>
> I don't see that point (taking vs giving) as relevant to the real
> issue here. You seemed to imply that Nigerian children are somehow
> predisposed to being criminals (just by being Nigerian evidently).
No, I'm saying that Nigeria doesn't criminalize that behavior. It's a
normal "legitimate" business there.
> Some of us find that idea a bit offensive. If that is not what
> you meant, please clarify.
I think it should be clear.
Erik Funkenbusch
> Only if you try to imply something about all black children based
Where did I say "black"? I didn't. I'm refering to the country,
regardless of race. You do realize there are white people living in
Nigeria as well, right?
Erik Funkenbusch
> Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The origin of most 419 scams is not really the issue here. What
>>
>> It is. Its why Erik pointed out that PCs in Nigeria are used for such scams.
>
> And PCs in other countries are also used for many sorts of crime.
> What does any of that have to do with Nigerian school children?
419 scams are not criminalized in Nigeria. THAT'S the problem.
> Nothing, but Erik's original statement went farther than that.
> He did not just mention that 419 scams originate in Nigeria; he
> suggested we should fear giving computers to Nigerian children,
> implying they will just be used to run more scams. Try saying
> that to the face of a Nigerian child and see how that joke goes
> over.
Children have parents, and uncles, and siblings, etc.. who will all have
access to the computers as well. Giving a child a PC is the same as giving
it to their entire family.
chrisv
He did no such thing, weasel. He asked you a question, weasel.
Your attack on Roy was NOT warranted, weasel.
Rafael
> Rafael wrote:
>> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running
>>>> Scared
>>>
>>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running scared.
>>>
>>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's
>>> a reason most of the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and
>>> now having millions of people with computers to run such
>>> scams will only make things worse.
>>>
>>> http://www.419eater.com/
>>
>> ills created by a criminal element and denying them learning
>> resources.
>
> "A criminal element"? 419 scams are "legitimate" businesses
> in Nigeria, employing many thousands. The government doesn't
> do anything about them. The children are being taught that
> this is the way you make a living by example.
This kind of sounds like an argument about the US justice system,
doesn't it? Drugs run rampant in major cities and the government
seems unable to stop it. Oh, and don't light sentences to
criminals imply that the justice system condones it?
> This isn't racist, it's a nationwide cultural issue,
> regardless of race. It's no different than talking about
> rampant pircacy in asia, where there are people on the street
> selling you pirated software and movies out in the open. So
> too are 419's out in the open and rampant everywhere in
> Nigeria, according to various reports i've read.
Perhaps you should make such a statement in the workplace, after
all, I am sure your employer will agree (not). For one, the OLPC
project applies to multiple countries, not just Nigeria. I am
sure that in such a benevolent project that the PC's would go to
a reputable educational concern, who would put them to good use.
> Perhaps the country should consider solving it's problems
> before handing out tools to make them worse. It would be like
> the government giving away millions of handguns, then
> wondering why gun related crime goes through the roof, despite
> a noble reason (giving people the benefit of self defense) to
> do so.
However, such is quite to the contrary. When Australian citizens
gave up their weapons not long ago, there was a remarkable
increase in crime. North Highlands suburb of Sacramento,
California enjoyed a lower rate of crime than Sacto. The LEO's
knew that one out of every three households owned a firearm.
Oh, you must live in one of those states where the citizens are
pwned.
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Nigel Feltham
> The "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs user" and "swapfile
> expert" Hadron Quark equates "exporting software" to "having millions of
> people with computers to run such scams". And he thinks that both are not
> racist.
>
> Yeah right. One is doing legit business. The other is Erik implying that
> the nigerians will for the millions of them run 419-scams if you just give
> them computers.
Exactly - positive comments cannot usually be considered racist, only the
negative ones but I guess some here don't know the difference between
compliments and racism so some examples :-
Mentioning the high quality of german cars would not be racist, mention of
german towels on beaches would be.
Refering to Americans for their scientific achievements is not racist,
refering to them as all being Trailer trash would be.
Refering to the british input to the computer revolution (don't forget the
world wide web was invented by a brit) wouldn't be racist but the comments
Jay Leno has been known to make about bad teeth would be (I'm british)
tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com
> On Thu, 31 May 2007 11:25:33 -0500, tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>
>> Only if you try to imply something about all black children based
>
> regardless of race. You do realize there are white people living in
> Nigeria as well, right?
I suggest you go back and read the context of that statement. It
had nothing to do with Nigeria.
Thad
AB
> Is there something in the water that makes you people incapable of
> understanding simple english?
I don't know. Try some on us so we can find out.
Hint: your usual giiber doesn't qualify as "simple english" even if it
*is* coming from a simpleton.
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tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com
>> And PCs in other countries are also used for many sorts of crime.
>> What does any of that have to do with Nigerian school children?
>
> 419 scams are not criminalized in Nigeria. THAT'S the problem.
As I understand it the 419 is not really legal, but the government
their is corrupt and does nothing about it (probably gets a cut).
It amounts to the same thing anyway.
> Children have parents, and uncles, and siblings, etc.. who will all have
> access to the computers as well. Giving a child a PC is the same as giving
> it to their entire family.
This assumes that most Nigerians would engage in scamming given the
chance, and that is the assumption that many find offensive. The 419
scams are believed to be run by only a few very well organized gangs,
and while the efforts are usually organized from Nigeria, often the
emails don't even originate from there. These scams require contacts
in the Nigerian banking industry and the government. The average
Nigerian would never be able to attempt it. Heck, most probably don't
even know what a 419 scam is... it really is limited to a rather small
slice of the population.
Yes, crime and government corruption is a real problem in Nigeria;
believe me I know, my father in-law lived there for years and oh
boy does he have some stories. But he also has a lot of great
stories about the warmth and generosity of the average Nigerian
citizens... you know, that vast majority that are not criminal gang
members or corrupt government official.
I don't expect I'll change your mind on this, but I've said my bit
so I'll probably drop of this thread now.
Peace,
Thad
nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu
>
> Are you that incapable of reading comprehension? Oh yeah, you are.
>
> I didn't say one fucking word about taking PC's away from anyone, so why
> don't you just shut the fuck up and stop trying to rewrite everything you
> fucking read, you almost *ALWAYS* get it wrong.
>
> What the FUCK is wrong with you?
Isn't it possible that cheap PC's will allow Nigerian kids (some of
them, anyway) to improve their lot in life? Maybe that of their
country, too? I thought that was the idea behind OLPC. Idealistic, I
know.
BTW, you should relax a little. It's more effective.
AB
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
>>Let me spell it out in big letters for you. "BEING SCARED OF SOMETHING DOES
>>NOT EQUATE TO ADVOCATING DENIAL OF ACCESS TO SOMETHING"
>
> Let me spell it out in big letters for you. YOU HAVE AGAIN SHOWN WHAT
> A FSCKING ASSHOLE YOU ARE, AND NOW YOU ARE TRYING TO SHOUT YOUR WAY
> OUT OF YOUR PREDICAMENT.
Let *me* spell it out for everybody. ERIK IS A WEASEL, AND WILL USE
WHATEVER WEASEL WORDS NECESSARY TO EXCUSE THE ONE OF THE MAIN CAUSES OF
THE ENTIRE PROBLEM, WHICH IS INSECURE, CRAPWARE WINDOWS.
I hope I didn't hurt anybody's ears.
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AB
> Why exactly should I be afraid of giving a PC to a Nigerian child?
There's every chance that the child will never be trapped in the MS
camp, that's why.
> What makes you think he/she will misuse it? Is just growing up in
> the same country as a bunch of criminals enough to corrupt all the
> youth of an entire nation? Should I shun the children of my friends
> in Chicago when I hear of organized crime problems there?
Yes. And you can't trust any kids from Minnesota either. They've had
serial killers.
> I'm just trying to understand the logic of your statement.
Good luck.
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:21:39 -0500,
Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:11:39 -0500, tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>
>> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is it you think you're proving? Where in my post did I say
>>> anything about taking a PC away from someone? I didn't. I said
>>> giving them PC's should make anyone scared.
>>>
>>> Do you understand the difference between not giving something, and
>>> taking away something one already has? Apparently not.
>>
>> I don't see that point (taking vs giving) as relevant to the real
>> issue here. You seemed to imply that Nigerian children are somehow
>> predisposed to being criminals (just by being Nigerian evidently).
>
> No, I'm saying that Nigeria doesn't criminalize that behavior. It's a
> normal "legitimate" business there.
>
actually, yes they *do* criminalize it, it's where the number 419 comes
from in the first place, from the criminal code of Nigeria re: fraud.
Further, I question your claim that most of the 419 scams come from
nigeria, where do you get that claim from.
>> Some of us find that idea a bit offensive. If that is not what
>> you meant, please clarify.
>
> I think it should be clear.
Your words are usually quite ambiguous, I think it's deliberate.
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Jim Richardson
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 03:23:29 -0500,
Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:02:50 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> More FUD, Erik, no? Maybe we should also take away all the PCs from people in
>> Ukrania and Korea as well.
>
> Are you that incapable of reading comprehension? Oh yeah, you are.
>
> I didn't say one fucking word about taking PC's away from anyone, so why
> don't you just shut the fuck up and stop trying to rewrite everything you
> fucking read, you almost *ALWAYS* get it wrong.
>
> What the FUCK is wrong with you?
calm down dude, you're about to pop a ventricle.
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 11:47:42 -0500,
chrisv <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com wrote:
>
>>Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How is it racist?
>>>
>>> Is it also "racist" to say that Ireland is the world's biggest SW
>>> exporter?
>>
>>Only if you imply some broad generalization about Ireland's children
>>based on that fact.
>
> Not even then, because there's nothing wrong with being a SW exporter.
> No one takes offense when someone says "people in country X tend to be
> smart, good-looking, and virtuous".
>
>>Honestly, I want to believe that Erik did not mean his joke
>
> I do not agree that it was a joke.
>
>>In the way it was received by many here, but words are often slippery
>>beasts and people are often much more quick to take offense when
>>possible prejudice is perceived. Slinging insults back at those
>>offended people only deepens the offense. I would suggest the
>>following:
>
> I tend to agree, that it may have been, initially, an excusable
> brain-fart. However, his lashing-out and "shouting", while repeating
> the "should make anyone scared" FUD made him look REALLY guilty.
>
>
All Erik has left is FUD, if it's not patent FUD, it's ODF FUD.
nearly 20 years of hewing to the MS line have left him no other option.
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[H]omer
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:09:42 -0500,
> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 22:28:33 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>>> 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running Scared
>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running scared.
>
>> the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now having millions of people with
>> computers to run such scams will only make things worse.
That has got to be the most stupid, reprehensible, irresponsible, and
bigoted thing I've ever seen coming from you. Congratulations, you've
reach an all-time record low in depravity.
The world's two biggest spammers of all time were Scott Richter and Alan
Ralsky, and what nationality were they again? Americans, right.
Therefore we should ban the sale and use of computers in America ...
right? We should also ban the sale and use of Microsoft Windows in every
country, since nearly all spam worldwide is transmitted through Windows
zombie botnets ... right? In fact Microsoft, the world biggest criminal
organisation, is also American, so let's just cut straight to the source
and ban Microsoft ... Hell, let's just ban America - it seems to be the
cause of most of the political friction, pollution, poverty, corruption,
and war in the world, after all.
> Wheras if they just had MS windows pcs, why all would be sweetness and
> light...
>
> When folks carp about Gates giving free stuff out to the masses in
> Africa et al, you chastise them, and rightly so.
>
> Then you turn around and do the same fucking thing.
A crime is a crime no matter who commits it, but at least the
desperately poor have mitigating circumstances one can sympathise with.
Gates has no such excuse.
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Rafael
> Jim Richardson spake thusly:
Homer, the hook has been set, all you need to do is let it run
.... :-)
[H]omer
> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>> No, I'm saying that Nigeria doesn't criminalize that behavior. It's a
>> normal "legitimate" business there.
>
>
> actually, yes they *do* criminalize it, it's where the number 419 comes
> from in the first place, from the criminal code of Nigeria re: fraud.
And with that, Funkenbusch seals the book on his own stupidity,
ignorance and bigotry.
Seldom has anyone discredited themselves so comprehensively, in so few
words.
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Nerdwizard
> Verily I say unto thee, that Jim Richardson spake thusly:
>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:09:42 -0500,
>> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 22:28:33 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>> 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running Scared
>>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running scared.
>>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's a reason most of
>>> the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now having millions of people with
>>> computers to run such scams will only make things worse.
>
> That has got to be the most stupid, reprehensible, irresponsible, and
> bigoted thing I've ever seen coming from you. Congratulations, you've
> reach an all-time record low in depravity.
>
> The world's two biggest spammers of all time were Scott Richter and Alan
> Ralsky, and what nationality were they again? Americans, right.
> Therefore we should ban the sale and use of computers in America ...
> right? We should also ban the sale and use of Microsoft Windows in every
> country, since nearly all spam worldwide is transmitted through Windows
> zombie botnets ... right? In fact Microsoft, the world biggest criminal
> organisation, is also American, so let's just cut straight to the source
> and ban Microsoft ... Hell, let's just ban America - it seems to be the
> cause of most of the political friction, pollution, poverty, corruption,
> and war in the world, after all.
Now, THAT is truly a bigoted statement! Colonial Africa was headed
towards poverty ever since the slave trade was invented by the greeks,
practiced by the Romans, and handed over to the Arabs!
What multiple convicted felon Microsoft is scared of is the huge Open
Source free movement in the grassroots!
Erik Funkenbusch
>> No, I'm saying that Nigeria doesn't criminalize that behavior. It's a
>> normal "legitimate" business there.
>
> actually, yes they *do* criminalize it, it's where the number 419 comes
> from in the first place, from the criminal code of Nigeria re: fraud.
But it is totally unenforced, ie, not criminalized. If it were enforced,
it wouldn't be so out in the open, and it wouldn't be a way of life there.
> Further, I question your claim that most of the 419 scams come from
> nigeria, where do you get that claim from.
Thousands of 419 letters in my junk mail filter.
Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 05:05:39 +0100,
[H]omer <sp...@uce.gov> wrote:
> Verily I say unto thee, that Jim Richardson spake thusly:
>> On Thu, 31 May 2007 14:21:39 -0500,
>> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>
>>> No, I'm saying that Nigeria doesn't criminalize that behavior. It's a
>>> normal "legitimate" business there.
>>
>>
>> actually, yes they *do* criminalize it, it's where the number 419 comes
>> from in the first place, from the criminal code of Nigeria re: fraud.
>
> And with that, Funkenbusch seals the book on his own stupidity,
> ignorance and bigotry.
>
> Seldom has anyone discredited themselves so comprehensively, in so few
> words.
>
It was a pretty dumb thing for him to post.
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Ask any Indian. "
--- Robert Orben
Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
On Thu, 31 May 2007 23:43:03 -0500,
Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:20:24 -0700, Jim Richardson wrote:
>
>>> No, I'm saying that Nigeria doesn't criminalize that behavior. It's
>>> a normal "legitimate" business there.
>>
>> actually, yes they *do* criminalize it, it's where the number 419
>> comes from in the first place, from the criminal code of Nigeria re:
>> fraud.
>
> But it is totally unenforced, ie, not criminalized. If it were
> enforced, it wouldn't be so out in the open, and it wouldn't be a way
> of life there.
>
*corruption* is endemic in Nigeria, it's probably the most corrupt
country in a corrupt continent, what's your point?
>> Further, I question your claim that most of the 419 scams come from
>> nigeria, where do you get that claim from.
>
> Thousands of 419 letters in my junk mail filter.
Are we to assume then that your claim that most 419 spam comes from
Nigeria is backed by .... "Thousands of 419 letters in my junk mail
filter" and nothing else?
oh that clears it up of course. Since everyone knows that if it's a 419
scam, it *must* be from Nigeria </sarcasm>
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-- Mark Hughes (in asr - 2001
Tim Smith
> >> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's a reason most of
> >> the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now having millions of people with
> >> computers to run such scams will only make things worse.
>
> That has got to be the most stupid, reprehensible, irresponsible, and
> bigoted thing I've ever seen coming from you. Congratulations, you've
> reach an all-time record low in depravity.
No, that would be you, when you compared Microsoft's claims to have
patents that cover some free software with the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
--
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
> But it is totally unenforced, ie, not criminalized. If it were enforced,
> it wouldn't be so out in the open, and it wouldn't be a way of life there.
Sometimes they take action:
Nigeria also contains many businesses that provide false documents
used in scams; after a scam involving a forged signature of Nigerian
President Olusegun Obasanjo in summer 2005, Nigerian authorities
raided a market in the Oluwole section of Lagos. The police seized
thousands of Nigerian and non-Nigerian passports, 10,000 blank
British Airways boarding passes, 10,000 United States money orders,
customs documents, false university certificates, 500 printing
plates, and 500 computers
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_fee_fraud>
> > Further, I question your claim that most of the 419 scams come from
> > nigeria, where do you get that claim from.
>
> Thousands of 419 letters in my junk mail filter.
It's growing in other countries now, but Nigeria was where it first
became big, and is probably still where most of it comes from. Lagos
has the necessary support structure, as can be seen by what was taken in
the raid mentioned above.
That has become a serious problem for legitimate Nigerian businesses, as
many email filters trash anything with the word "Nigeria" in it, which
can make it hard to them to conduct international business.
--
--Tim Smith
[H]omer
> [H]omer wrote:
>> just ban America - it seems to be the cause of most of the
>> political friction, pollution, poverty, corruption, and war in the
>> world, after all.
>
> Now, THAT is truly a bigoted statement!
I was using sarcasm to illustrate the ridiculousness of Funkenbusch's
sweeping generalisations.
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AB
> On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:20:24 -0700, Jim Richardson wrote:
>
>>> No, I'm saying that Nigeria doesn't criminalize that behavior. It's a
>>> normal "legitimate" business there.
>>
>> actually, yes they *do* criminalize it, it's where the number 419 comes
>> from in the first place, from the criminal code of Nigeria re: fraud.
>
> But it is totally unenforced, ie, not criminalized. If it were enforced,
> it wouldn't be so out in the open, and it wouldn't be a way of life there.
Message-ID: <1q2gfzb1mwxca$.d...@funkenbusch.com>
419 scams are not criminalized in Nigeria. THAT'S the problem.
If they weren't *criminalized* they wouldn't be illegal. They *are*
illegal, whether enforcement takes place or not.
Message-ID: <16y6fnis...@funkenbusch.com>
No, I'm saying that Nigeria doesn't criminalize that behavior. It's
a normal "legitimate" business there.
You say it's illegal but unenforced *now*. But in that message you said
it's "legitamte business" in Nigeria. Which is it? What will be your
stance in a couple of more posts? That's it's "encouraged" while
illegal? That it's "frowned upon" but not stopped?
Message-ID: <1n844iio...@funkenbusch.com>
"A criminal element"? 419 scams are "legitimate" businesses in
Nigeria, employing many thousands. The government doesn't do
anything about them. The children are being taught that this is the
way you make a living by example.
There's that "legitimate business" again.
This isn't racist, it's a nationwide cultural issue, regardless of
race. It's no different than talking about rampant pircacy in asia,
where there are people on the street selling you pirated software
and movies out in the open. So too are 419's out in the open and
rampant everywhere in Nigeria, according to various reports i've
read.
Golly, Erik! I don't know where to begin!
Do you go to the DuFS KKK rallies on weekends or something?
What illegal activities are the Jews pulling off, with their sneaky
little ways, what with owning all of the media and controlling the
banking of the whole world?
How about all of the Mexicans? Are they stealing stuff from your back
porch, and breaking windows to reach in and grab your clock radios?
Enough of that. Let's get back to the 419 scams. I don't want to pull a
funkenbusch by shifting the subject away from the subject.
Let's see if I have this straight. In Nigeria 419 scams are against the
law, but they're "legitimate business" as well.
Right so far?
OK. They're also evidently taught to everybody in the country, or
nearly so. At least enough that having more computers in the country is
a *bad* thing because so much of the populace is, or will be, involved
in illegal "legitimate business" activities.
How am I doing so far?
And while we're on the subject, let's compare it to something else
that's wildly rampant. We all know that piracy is so rampant in Asia
that you can go down to the local market and buy pirated Windows
alongside all of the latest movies.
Am I still on the right path?
Finally, to sum it all up, none of this can be considered racism
because we're not accusing them of being bad people. It's not their
fault after all. It's a cultural thing, and they just need to come to
grips with what's wrong with their culture and fix it, then they'll be
"safe" enough to trust giving computers to the kids. You know this
because you read reports. That means it isn't *your* bias if any
exists: it's the bias of the reports you read.
I think I captured most of the essence. But do let me know if I maybe
missed a thing or two.
This just leaves me one question that currently comes to mind. Maybe
there will be more later, but for now one really puzzling thing sticks
in my head: Did you get the "reports" directly from the Grand Wizard,
or was this something faxed to you from one of the KKK branch offices?
>> Further, I question your claim that most of the 419 scams come from
>> nigeria, where do you get that claim from.
>
> Thousands of 419 letters in my junk mail filter.
What more proof is needed? Erik's junk mail filter is overflowing. So
they all came from Nigeria. Case closed.
--
Microsoft: The company that made web surfing dangerous.
And obviously helped to make Erik a stupid racist.
Peter Köhlmann
> On 2007-06-01, Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> claimed:
>> On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:20:24 -0700, Jim Richardson wrote:
>>
< snip racist Funkenbusch garbage >
>> Thousands of 419 letters in my junk mail filter.
>
> What more proof is needed? Erik's junk mail filter is overflowing. So
> they all came from Nigeria. Case closed.
>
Erik is naturally lying like he always does.
While there are certainly nigerian 419-scams going on all the time, they are
dwarved by the phishing scams originating in the US. Which in turn make
just a part of the general spam.
But those are done by his fellow KKK members, and therefore OK
--
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flyer
funkenbusch.com says...
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 22:28:33 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
> > 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running Scared
>
> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running scared.
>
> the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and now having millions of people with
> computers to run such scams will only make things worse.
>
>
HEH HEH!!
If you know so much about scams, why you backin' MicroDonkey brainboy?
AB
I don't think Erik is lying on this one. I think he really *believes*
that crap. Which is sad.
If I'm right, Erik never really *had* any respect. What was respected
was a facade that people *thought* was really Erik.
Now even the false face of Erik garners no respect.
--
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secure, but there's no such thing. A vulnerability is a vulnerability, and
even one makes you just as insecure as anyone else. Security is a binary
condition, either you are or you aren't.
-- Erik Funkenbusch, Message-ID: <tn9sapuzcil3$.d...@funkenbusch.com>
Peter Köhlmann
> On 2007-06-01, Peter Köhlmann <peter.k...@t-online.de> claimed:
>> AB wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-06-01, Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> claimed:
>>>> On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:20:24 -0700, Jim Richardson wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>< snip racist Funkenbusch garbage >
>>
>>>> Thousands of 419 letters in my junk mail filter.
>>>
>>> What more proof is needed? Erik's junk mail filter is overflowing. So
>>> they all came from Nigeria. Case closed.
>>>
>>
>> Erik is naturally lying like he always does.
>> While there are certainly nigerian 419-scams going on all the time, they
>> are dwarved by the phishing scams originating in the US. Which in turn
>> make just a part of the general spam.
>>
>> But those are done by his fellow KKK members, and therefore OK
>
> I don't think Erik is lying on this one. I think he really *believes*
> that crap. Which is sad.
Whether he believes that trash or not is irrelevant. He *posts* it.
I suspect that it is a combination of his being a racist and a fear of
millions of kids growing up with a linux computer, forever "spoiled" for
the "One True Redmond Way" because they know better when grown up
> If I'm right, Erik never really *had* any respect. What was respected
> was a facade that people *thought* was really Erik.
>
> Now even the false face of Erik garners no respect.
>
What is clear by now that it was not at all "humour", as Eriks lapdog Hadron
Quark so desperately wants to tell us now to deflect the shit which has hit
the fan and now is backfiring at Erik and his astroturfer gang.
Erik meant every word of what he wrote, as his follow-ups clearly show it.
So yes, Erik is a racist. Just like DumbFullShit or flatfish.
Why am I not surprised that most windows users posting and trolling in cola
are actually stupid enough to be a racist?
And Hadron Quark naturally had to chime in with his bullshit
chrisv
>But it is totally unenforced, ie, not criminalized.
Attempt to redefine the word "criminalized" rejected.
chrisv
> Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are you that incapable of reading comprehension? Oh yeah, you are.
>>
>> I didn't say one fucking word about taking PC's away from anyone, so why
>> don't you just shut the fuck up and stop trying to rewrite everything you
>> fucking read, you almost *ALWAYS* get it wrong.
>>
>> What the FUCK is wrong with you?
>
>calm down dude, you're about to pop a ventricle.
I was just giving the weasel a taste of his own medicine. He asked
the same (rather harsh) question of Roy.
I'll also call Erik an immoral, dishonest, fuck, because he
(ironically) called someone else that.
Linonut
> Let *me* spell it out for everybody. ERIK IS A WEASEL, AND WILL USE
> WHATEVER WEASEL WORDS NECESSARY TO EXCUSE THE ONE OF THE MAIN CAUSES OF
> THE ENTIRE PROBLEM, WHICH IS INSECURE, CRAPWARE WINDOWS.
Tell it to the newbies here.
> I hope I didn't hurt anybody's ears.
WHAT DID YOU SAY?
> --
> It turns out Luddites don't know how to use software properly....
> The reason we come up with new versions is not to fix bugs....It's
> the stupidest reason to buy a new version I ever heard.
> -- Bill Gates, http://www.cantrip.org/nobugs.html
Hey, you stole my sig! Oh, I forgot, it is in the public domain.
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them off."
DFS
[H]omer the bigot: "I never thought of myself as a bigot until I actually
socialised with these people [blacks in Nigeria]..."
[H]omer the bigot: "Unfortunately they [blacks in Nigeria] are also greedy,
corrupt, lazy and unreasonable."
tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com
>
> Yes. And you can't trust any kids from Minnesota either. They've had
> serial killers.
We've had better serial killers here in Wisconsin, and if you say
otherwise we will turn you into a lampshade. ;)
Thad
Hadron Quark
Would this be Wisconsin in Germany?
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chrisv
Oops. You were talking to Eric. Never mind.
Jim Richardson
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erik may well be right, most of the 419 scams may well originate in
Nigeria, I don't know. But to claim that all 419 scams must somehow
originate from nigeria because they are 419 scams is stupid, and I am
surprised Erik would make such a stupid claim.
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Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny.
-- Lazarus Long
Linonut
Nah, my home state, Illinois, had one of the worst, John Wayne Gacy.
(I'm ignoring one-time murderous rampages, of course.)
Down here we have the Bible Belt.
Up there they have the Psycho Belt. And Tornado Alley, too.
--
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Linonut
> erik may well be right, most of the 419 scams may well originate in
> Nigeria, I don't know. But to claim that all 419 scams must somehow
> originate from nigeria because they are 419 scams is stupid, and I am
> surprised Erik would make such a stupid claim.
Erik is often self-scamming.
--
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Hadron Quark
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:07:43 +0200,
> Peter Köhlmann <peter.k...@t-online.de> wrote:
>> AB wrote:
>>
>>> On 2007-06-01, Erik Funkenbusch <er...@despam-funkenbusch.com> claimed:
>>>> On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:20:24 -0700, Jim Richardson wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>< snip racist Funkenbusch garbage >
>>
>>>> Thousands of 419 letters in my junk mail filter.
>>>
>>> What more proof is needed? Erik's junk mail filter is overflowing. So
>>> they all came from Nigeria. Case closed.
>>>
>>
>> Erik is naturally lying like he always does.
>> While there are certainly nigerian 419-scams going on all the time, they are
>> dwarved by the phishing scams originating in the US. Which in turn make
>> just a part of the general spam.
>>
>> But those are done by his fellow KKK members, and therefore OK
>
>
> erik may well be right, most of the 419 scams may well originate in
> Nigeria, I don't know. But to claim that all 419 scams must somehow
> originate from nigeria because they are 419 scams is stupid, and I am
> surprised Erik would make such a stupid claim.
He never made that claim.
Why do you lie?
Peter Köhlmann
He certainly at least implied it
> Why do you lie?
Why do you defend a racist like Erik Funkenbusch, Hadron Quark?
--
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you with experience...
Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
you're right, I should have said, that for him to claim that almost all
419 scams must originate from Nigeria based on the mere presence of 419
scams in his mailbox, is a stupid claim.
> Why do you lie?
I didn't. I misspoke. Your point?
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"And the faults in bad software can be so subtle as to be practically
theological."
- Bruce Sterling - The Hacker Crackdown
Hadron Quark
That you lied.
You claimed one thing that was totally untrue to make Erik look like a
nasty, racist.
Or is "misspoke" a new word which converts lies into "accidental trip of
the tongue"?
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it breaks then you get to keep both pieces.
(Copyright notice for the chat program)
Jim Richardson
Hash: SHA1
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:35:47 +0200,
what "one thing" was that?
> Or is "misspoke" a new word which converts lies into "accidental trip of
> the tongue"?
>
please be clear. I mispoke when I said all, rather than almost all.
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Have you ever noticed that sanction, is it's own antonym?
cc
wrote:
> On Thu, 31 May 2007 13:03:43 +0200, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> >> On Thu, 31 May 2007 19:16:46 +0900, Rafael wrote:
>
> >>> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 31 May 2007 09:02:50 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
> >>>>> More FUD, Erik, no? Maybe we should also take away all
> >>>>> the PCs from people in Ukrania and Korea as well.
>
> >>>> Are you that incapable of reading comprehension? Oh yeah,
> >>>> you are.
>
> >>>> I didn't say one fucking word about taking PC's away from
> >>>> anyone, so why don't you just shut the fuck up and stop
> >>>> trying to rewrite everything you fucking read, you almost
> >>>> *ALWAYS* get it wrong.
>
> >>>> What the FUCK is wrong with you?
>
> >>>>>> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Here's a reason why EVERYONE should be running
> >>>>>>> scared.
>
> >>>>>>> nigeria, and now having millions of people with
> >>>>>>> computers to run such scams will only make things
> >>>>>>> worse.
>
>
> >>> No further questions, your honor. The defense rests.
>
> >> What is it you think you're proving? Where in my post did I say anything
> >> about taking a PC away from someone? I didn't. I said giving them PC's
> >> should make anyone scared.
>
> >> Do you understand the difference between not giving something, and taking
> >> away something one already has? Apparently not.
>
> > It is very telling that our local FUDmeister Erik F thinks that it is OK to
> > deny a group of people access to computers just because there are also some
> > criminals.
>
> > Well done, Erik. Move right over to our resident scumbag DFS. You are just
> > as bad a racist as that swine
>
> Is there something in the water that makes you people incapable of
> understanding simple english?
>
> I didn't say to deny anyone access to computers. I said, *GIVING* MILLIONS
> of people in a country with rampant, and government ignored internet fraud
> free PC's should make anyone scared.
>
> How, precisely do you get "I want to deny them access to computers" from
> that? How does Schestowitz get "I want to take away everyone's computers"
> from that?
>
> Let me spell it out in big letters for you. "BEING SCARED OF SOMETHING DOES
> NOT EQUATE TO ADVOCATING DENIAL OF ACCESS TO SOMETHING"
>
> Did that get through to you yet?
Yeah, it sounds like an incredible leap of faith to assume that
because people are getting PCs in a country that overlooks PC scams is
going to lead to more scams. All these people needed was a computer to
bring to work and they would have been scamming all this time? Or are
they going to start their own scam? Or is the education opportunities
made available to them from having PCs will make them more qualified
to run the scam and so they will be hired to work their instead of one
of the millions of other legit jobs?
cc
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > Rafael wrote:
> >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> >>>> 3 Reasons Why The OLPC Project has Microsoft Running
> >>>> Scared
>
>
> >>> 1) Millions of NIGERIAN children with free PC's. There's
> >>> a reason most of the 419 scams come out of nigeria, and
> >>> now having millions of people with computers to run such
> >>> scams will only make things worse.
>
> >>>http://www.419eater.com/
>
> >> ills created by a criminal element and denying them learning
> >> resources.
>
> > "A criminal element"? 419 scams are "legitimate" businesses
> > in Nigeria, employing many thousands. The government doesn't
> > do anything about them. The children are being taught that
> > this is the way you make a living by example.
>
> doesn't it? Drugs run rampant in major cities and the government
> seems unable to stop it. Oh, and don't light sentences to
> criminals imply that the justice system condones it?
>
> > This isn't racist, it's a nationwide cultural issue,
> > regardless of race. It's no different than talking about
> > rampant pircacy in asia, where there are people on the street
> > selling you pirated software and movies out in the open. So
> > too are 419's out in the open and rampant everywhere in
> > Nigeria, according to various reports i've read.
>
> all, I am sure your employer will agree (not). For one, the OLPC
> project applies to multiple countries, not just Nigeria. I am
> sure that in such a benevolent project that the PC's would go to
> a reputable educational concern, who would put them to good use.
>
> > Perhaps the country should consider solving it's problems
> > before handing out tools to make them worse. It would be like
> > the government giving away millions of handguns, then
> > wondering why gun related crime goes through the roof, despite
> > a noble reason (giving people the benefit of self defense) to
> > do so.
>
> However, such is quite to the contrary. When Australian citizens
> gave up their weapons not long ago, there was a remarkable
> increase in crime. North Highlands suburb of Sacramento,
> California enjoyed a lower rate of crime than Sacto. The LEO's
> knew that one out of every three households owned a firearm.
Completely incorrect.
> Oh, you must live in one of those states where the citizens are
> pwned.
>
Don't say pwned.
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> On 2007-06-01, Erik Funkenbusch <e...@despam-funkenbusch.com> claimed:
Calling a stupid statement, or very lame joke, racist makes you look
more retarded.
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Rafael seems to be on a self embarrassment mission.
>> Oh, you must live in one of those states where the citizens are
>> pwned.
>>
>
> Don't say pwned.
>
He's 12 or Roy. One of the two.
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