Richard M. Stallman Says "No" to Mono
Roy Schestowitz
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Why free software shouldn't depend on Mono or C#
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| Debian's decision to include Mono in the default installation, for the sake
| of Tomboy which is an application written in C#, leads the community in a
| risky direction. It is dangerous to depend on C#, so we need to discourage
| its use.
|
| The problem is not unique to Mono; any free implementation of C# would raise
| the same issue. The danger is that Microsoft is probably planning to force
| all free C# implementations underground some day using software patents. (See
| http://swpat.org and http://progfree.org.) This is a serious danger, and only
| fools would ignore it until the day it actually happens. We need to take
| precautions now to protect ourselves from this future danger.
|
| This is not to say that implementing C# is a bad thing. Free C#
| implementations permit users to run their C# programs on free platforms,
| which is good. (The GNU Project has an implementation of C# also, called
| Portable.NET.) Ideally we want to provide free implementations for all
| languages that programmers have used.
|
| The problem is not in the C# implementations, but rather in Tomboy and other
| applications written in C#. If we lose the use of C#, we will lose them too.
| That doesn't make them unethical, but it means that writing them and using
| them is taking a gratuitous risk.
|
| We should systematically arrange to depend on the free C# implementations as
| little as possible. In other words, we should discourage people from writing
| programs in C#. Therefore, we should not include C# implementations in the
| default installation of GNU/Linux distributions, and we should distribute and
| recommend non-C# applications rather than comparable C# applications whenever
| possible.
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http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
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Hans Lister
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> Why free software shouldn't depend on Mono or C#
Who cares?
Stallman is a guy who picks his feet and eats it.
And in public no less.
Lusotec
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> Why free software shouldn't depend on Mono or C#
>
> Who cares?
People that write FOSS.
Regards.
Hadron
Except the people writing FOSS are using Mon and c#.
--
In view of all the deadly computer viruses that have been spreading
lately, Weekend Update would like to remind you: when you link up to
another computer, you’re linking up to every computer that that
computer has ever linked up to. — Dennis Miller
Lusotec
> Lusotec writes:
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>> Why free software shouldn't depend on Mono or C#
>>>
>>> Who cares?
>>
>> People that write FOSS.
>
*Some* people writing FOSS are using Mon and c# and those are the ones that
should care the most about this subject, even if they don't see it as a
problem.
Regards.
7
wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of Marketing:
> W
You can't trust micoshaft marketing plops to discuss
anything here with decent Desktop Linux technology related stories.
Whatever they rant on about, it is clear they have no understanding of
Linux to engage in a decent technical conversation involving Linux.
Here look some interesting Linux commands:
cat /proc/meminfo
Try it. Can you guess what the output is used for?
It gives you full details about memory use inside your PC.
Tony Manco
Forget it, trolls are too dumb to understand that command... They are
limited to the power of buttons, checkboxes, dropdown menus and pirated
software, so...
--
People say that if you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic
things,but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they
install Windows.
~Unknown
Tony Manco
At last, a decent non-biased "something about Mono" article.
High Plains Thumper
> 7 wrote:
>
>> Here look some interesting Linux commands:
>>
>> cat /proc/meminfo
>>
>> Try it. Can you guess what the output is used for? It gives
>> you full details about memory use inside your PC.
>
> Forget it, trolls are too dumb to understand that command...
> They are limited to the power of buttons, checkboxes, dropdown
> menus and pirated software, so...
They are also too dumb to install software, relying on
preconfigured Windows boxen.
--
HPT
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
>> Here look some interesting Linux commands:
>>
>> cat /proc/meminfo
>>
>> Try it. Can you guess what the output is used for?
>> It gives you full details about memory use inside your PC.
>
> Forget it, trolls are too dumb to understand that command... They are
> limited to the power of buttons, checkboxes, dropdown menus and pirated
> software, so...
I was using the graphical app, feh, instantiated from the command line, to
peruse about 700 photos arranged in subdirectories for various stages of
wedding activities. I moved back and forth between the pictures using the
'n' and 'p' keys (closer than the arrow keys).
My wife came in an started looking at the with me. She asked me "How do you
look at them so rapidly? I can't do that on my computer." I told her this
nice little command line ("feh -r -g 800x600 *") was how.
I should tell her the command-line is how I copied, remastered, and burn a
copy for her sister.
But, alack and alas, it makes no difference.
--
Even the clearest and most perfect circumstantial evidence is likely to be at
fault, after all, and therefore ought to be received with great caution. Take
the case of any pencil, sharpened by any woman; if you have witnesses, you will
find she did it with a knife; but if you take simply the aspect of the pencil,
you will say that she did it with her teeth.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> Why free software shouldn't depend on Mono or C#
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | The problem is not unique to Mono; any free implementation of C# would raise
>> | the same issue. The danger is that Microsoft is probably planning to force
>> | all free C# implementations underground some day using software patents. (See
>> | http://swpat.org and http://progfree.org.) This is a serious danger, and only
>> | fools would ignore it until the day it actually happens. We need to take
>> | precautions now to protect ourselves from this future danger.
>> | . . .
>> | The problem is not in the C# implementations, but rather in Tomboy and other
>> | applications written in C#. If we lose the use of C#, we will lose them too.
>> | That doesn't make them unethical, but it means that writing them and using
>> | them is taking a gratuitous risk.
>> `----
>>
>> http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
>>
>> (Last modified 2009-06-26 05:43 PM)
>
> At last, a decent non-biased "something about Mono" article.
We've gone over this kind of material quite awhile ago, but the trolls find
it easier to mischaracterize what most of us are saying, in order to
demonize us.
--
So she went into the garden to cut a cabbage leaf to make an apple pie;
and at the same time a great she-bear, coming up the street pops its head
into the shop. "What! no soap?" So he died, and she very imprudently
married the barber; and there were present the Picninnies, and the Grand
Panjandrum himself, with the little round button at top, and they all
fell to playing the game of catch as catch can, till the gunpowder ran
out at the heels of their boots.
-- Samuel Foote
High Plains Thumper
Given Microsoft's predatory practises to maintain its monopoly
and neutralise the competition (Linux and FOSS among others), it
is understandable.
[quote]
F. Microsoft’s Deceptive WISE Software Program
“Please give me one good reason why we should even
consider [enabling Microsoft technology to work on competing
systems]. (Hint: any good answer needs to include making more
money and helping kill Unix, Sybase or Oracle.)”
—James Allchin, Microsoft Senior Vice-President [51]
In 1994, Microsoft engaged in similarly deceptive conduct to
combat the growing popularity of the UNIX operating system within
corporate networks. Microsoft faced a choice: whether to “love it
to death (invest a lot of money and kill it slowly) or ignore it
(invest no money on the expectation it will die quickly).” [52]
Microsoft chose initially “to invest in interoperating” with
UNIX, [53] by promoting its Windows Interface Source Environment
(“WISE”), a program that purportedly allowed developers to write
software to Windows APIs and run the resulting programs on
Macintosh and UNIX systems. [54]
Microsoft’s plan was successful. By 1996 Microsoft had captured a
large share of the corporate market. Microsoft then took the next
step in its standard “embrace, extend, extinguish” playbook and
extended the Windows API without copying its changes to the WISE
program. This meant that developers could no longer smoothly port
applications to UNIX and Macintosh. [55]
In public, however, Microsoft continued to lead developers into
believing that this software was still fully cross-platform. [56]
In 1997, Bill Gates noted in an internal email that those
developers who wrote applications for the then-available software
without realizing that it would not port all APIs to UNIX and
Macintosh were “just f*****.” [57]
He was right: Microsoft had successfully extinguished the
cross-platform threat to its operating system monopoly. In a
subsequent antitrust suit, a district court called this move “a
classic ‘bait-and-switch’ tactic.” [58]
[/quote]
http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf
Thus, I can understand why any embracement of Microsoft software
technologies could result in extinguishment.
--
HPT
Clogwog
news:h255fl$k48$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>7 wrote:
>> Micoshaft Appil asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Hans Lister
>> wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Appil Department of
>> Marketing:
>>
>>
>>> W
>>
>>
>> You can't trust micoshaft marketing plops to discuss
>> anything here with decent Desktop Linux technology related stories.
>>
>> Whatever they rant on about, it is clear they have no understanding of
>> Linux to engage in a decent technical conversation involving Linux.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here look some interesting Linux commands:
>>
>> cat /proc/meminfo
>>
>> Try it. Can you guess what the output is used for?
>> It gives you full details about memory use inside your PC.
>
> Forget it, trolls are too dumb to understand that command...
Hi Tony, is this you?
"Death to Graphical User Interfaces!", screams a penguinhead as he is
arrested.
http://packetstormsecurity.nl/unix-humor/linuxriot.html
<aside>
About Linux Advocates:
"Those gun nut jerks deserved to be teargassed,"
How appropriate for COLA loons too!
LMFAO!
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> [quote]
> F. Microsoft?s Deceptive WISE Software Program
>
> Microsoft chose initially ?to invest in interoperating? with
> UNIX, [53] by promoting its Windows Interface Source Environment
> (?WISE?), a program that purportedly allowed developers to write
> software to Windows APIs and run the resulting programs on
> Macintosh and UNIX systems. [54]
>
> Microsoft?s plan was successful. By 1996 Microsoft had captured a
> large share of the corporate market. Microsoft then took the next
> step in its standard ?embrace, extend, extinguish? playbook and
> extended the Windows API without copying its changes to the WISE
> program. This meant that developers could no longer smoothly port
> applications to UNIX and Macintosh. [55]
>
> In public, however, Microsoft continued to lead developers into
> believing that this software was still fully cross-platform. [56]
> [/quote]
>
> http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf
>
> Thus, I can understand why any embracement of Microsoft software
> technologies could result in extinguishment.
Thanks for this "Get the Facts" item. Microsoft "still fully
cross-platform". Guffaw.
Microsoft makes a false statement knowingly, and the only way you can know
it is false is with a lot of research or through direct experience. And, if
you go the latter route, ooops, you've been "embraced" by Microsoft.
--
You are not dead yet. But watch for further reports.
Hans Lister
> Given Microsoft's predatory practises to maintain its monopoly
> and neutralise the competition (Linux and FOSS among others), it
> is understandable.
>
> [quote]
> F. MicrosoftοΏ½s Deceptive WISE Software Program
You sound just like roy Schestowitz, [Homer] MiniWitz and the
other drones.
Does Schestowitz give you a script to post from or something?
In your case HPT, the posts have that same unreadable format
that Schestowitz uses.
The Linux cult in action.
Hans Lister
So 90 percent of the world is dumb but you Linux freetards are
not.
Let's see, Linux has about 1 percent of the desktop market.
Seems to me that 99 percent of the world was smart enough to not
get involved with time wasting Linux.
Hans Lister
> Lusotec <nom...@nomail.not> writes:
>
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>> Why free software shouldn't depend on Mono or C#
>>>
>>> Who cares?
>>
>> People that write FOSS.
>>
>> Regards.
>
> Except the people writing FOSS are using Mon and c#.
The smart ones are.
Lusotec
> Hadron wrote:
>> Lusotec <nom...@nomail.not> writes:
>>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>> Why free software shouldn't depend on Mono or C#
>>>>
>>>> Who cares?
>>>
>>> People that write FOSS.
>>
>
> The smart ones are.
Another one liner that, again, show your ignorance on the subject you are
commenting on.
Most software, even Windows only, either closed or open source, is *not*
written in C# or targets the .NET framework and CLI.
Regards.
Hans Lister
Hysterical!!
Some of the real Linux loons in COLA are probably mentally ill
enough to snap at any given moment!!
http://packetstormsecurity.nl/unix-humor/linuxriot.html
"According to jailer Mike Fostquel, the captured nerds are model
prisoners. "They made a crude but listenable crystal radio out
of a light bulb, a crayon, and a square of toilet paper, and a
rock. They say they'll have linux on it by next week. They seem
to be having a really good time. Tell ya the truth, I'll hate to
see 'em go." "
Hans Lister
Where did I say it was?
Learn to read.
Lusotec
> Lusotec wrote:
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>> Lusotec <nom...@nomail.not> writes:
>>>>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>>> Why free software shouldn't depend on Mono or C#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who cares?
>>>>>
>>>>> People that write FOSS.
>>>>
>>>> Except the people writing FOSS are using Mon and c#.
>>>
>>> The smart ones are.
>>
>> Another one liner that, again, show your ignorance on the subject you are
>> commenting on.
>>
>> Most software, even Windows only, either closed or open source, is *not*
>> written in C# or targets the .NET framework and CLI.
>
I never said you did. You obviously read but did not understand!
> Learn to read.
Idem.
Regards.
Hans Lister
I said "the smart ones are".
You said "Most software, even Windows only, either closed or
open source, is *not* written in C# or targets the .NET
framework and CLI."
Key word "Most".....
I never said it was the most or the least.
I said the "smart ones (ie:developers)" whether that constitutes
the most or the least I didn't comment on.
Lusotec
> Lusotec wrote:
>> *Some* people writing FOSS are using Mon and c# and those are
>> the ones that should care the most about this subject, even if
>> they don't see it as a problem.
>
> Given Microsoft's predatory practises to maintain its monopoly
> and neutralise the competition (Linux and FOSS among others), it
> is understandable.
> Thus, I can understand why any embracement of Microsoft software
> technologies could result in extinguishment.
Microsoft's history should cause concern to anyone developing for the
Mono/.NET platform. Also, the shortcomings of .NET framework as a cross
platform framework (already debated in COLA) are also of concern for anyone
developing for Mono.
Any developer should have the freedom to use and develop for C#/Mono/CLI and
I don't agree with purposely making it difficult to install Mono (e.g.
removing it from the repositories) but developers should be made aware of
the potential future pitfall.
Regards.
Hans Lister
> Any developer should have the freedom to use and develop for C#/Mono/CLI and
> I don't agree with purposely making it difficult to install Mono (e.g.
> removing it from the repositories) but developers should be made aware of
> the potential future pitfall.
>
> Regards.
See that, we agree!!
Ezekiel
This video shows just what a disgusting pig Stallman is. Any normal person
would quiver at that repulsive heap of slime did. Just imagine the vile
stuff he does when he's not in public and on camera.
7
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tony Manco belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>>> Here look some interesting Linux commands:
>>>
>>> cat /proc/meminfo
>>>
>>> Try it. Can you guess what the output is used for?
>>> It gives you full details about memory use inside your PC.
>>
>> Forget it, trolls are too dumb to understand that command... They are
>> limited to the power of buttons, checkboxes, dropdown menus and pirated
>> software, so...
>
> I was using the graphical app, feh, instantiated from the command line, to
> peruse about 700 photos arranged in subdirectories for various stages of
> wedding activities. I moved back and forth between the pictures using the
> 'n' and 'p' keys (closer than the arrow keys).
>
> My wife came in an started looking at the with me. She asked me "How do
> you
> look at them so rapidly? I can't do that on my computer." I told her
> this nice little command line ("feh -r -g 800x600 *") was how.
That is soo gooood!!!!
I just used that command to rampage through hundreds of security
*photos* like a video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a Linux device that takes phots whenever a PIR movement detector is
triggered. Great for information reduction as nothing happens until the
PIR is activated by thermal objects moving into the view of the camera's PIR
sensor. Its not too sensitive to sunlight (which image processing movement
detectors are!) There is a clock that logs the time.
So I ran Chris's command
feh -r -g 800x600 *
But I got feh not installed message so I did a
sudo apt-get install feh
and then tried the feh command again and hey presto! first image!
I pressed the 'n' and 'p' keys to navigate - but it wasn't just
navigating - it was playing the stream of pictures like a video!!
You can see the clock really moving fast! feh beats the pants
out of fspot and mono rubbish!
Fantastic Chris! Thank you.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> But I got feh not installed message so I did a
>
> sudo apt-get install feh
>
> and then tried the feh command again and hey presto! first image!
> I pressed the 'n' and 'p' keys to navigate - but it wasn't just
> navigating - it was playing the stream of pictures like a video!!
> You can see the clock really moving fast! feh beats the pants
> out of fspot and mono rubbish!
>
> Fantastic Chris! Thank you.
Feh.
:-)
(I use feh also to set my wallpaper, and to instantly rotate and save any
sideways pix. There are other viewers out there, of course.)
chrisv
>>>> The smart ones are.
>>>
>>> Another one liner that, again, show your ignorance on the subject you
>>> are commenting on.
>>>
>>> Most software, even Windows only, either closed or open source, is
>>> *not* written in C# or targets the .NET framework and CLI.
>>
>> Where did I say it was?
>
> I never said you did. You obviously read but did not understand!
>
>> Learn to read.
>
> Idem.
>
> Regards.
You are being trolled by a mentally-ill fsckwit who is not at all ashamed
to lie and make a jackass of himself in order to get the attention he
craves.
Gregory Shearman
Oooh Look! TwoBeamer is stalking Stallman!
What's the matter, TwoBeamer? Did your imaginary girlfriend leave you?
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Hans Lister
> On 2009-06-27, Ezekiel <Ze...@not-such-email-addr.com> wrote:
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:37:53 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Why free software shouldn't depend on Mono or C#
>>>
>>> Who cares?
>>>
>>> Stallman is a guy who picks his feet and eats it.
>>>
>>> And in public no less.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
>>
>> This video shows just what a disgusting pig Stallman is. Any normal person
>> would quiver at that repulsive heap of slime did. Just imagine the vile
>> stuff he does when he's not in public and on camera.
>
> Oooh Look! TwoBeamer is stalking Stallman!
Stalking?
Is that the best you can come up with?
The dammed video is all over YouTube and other places.
> What's the matter, TwoBeamer? Did your imaginary girlfriend leave you?
Did your boyfriend Greg?
Homer
> Any developer should have the freedom to use and develop for
> C#/Mono/CLI and I don't agree with purposely making it difficult to
> install Mono (e.g. removing it from the repositories) but developers
> should be made aware of the potential future pitfall.
I believe even /that/ is a fallacy.
It's not as though developers don't /already/ have a choice.
They do. They can /choose/ to develop proprietary and/or encumbered
software ... for proprietary platforms (Windows, Mac), or they can
/choose/ to develop Free Software ... for Free platforms (Linux, BSD).
If these developers are so enamoured by proprietary licensing and
patents, then why do they feel the need to poison Free Software with it?
Surely it would make more sense (to them) to just give themselves over
completely to the proprietary paradigm, and leave Free Software in peace.
As it is, they drag their licenses, patents, and all the baggage that
entails, into Free Software, quickly followed by an army of other
developers and enthusiasts tainted by the Microsoft paradigm of bloat,
insecurity, instability, and "IP" mentality, all scrambling to make
"Killa Appz®" that spread the disease of Microsoft's Intellectual
Monopoly, and utter technical incompetence (like somebody forgot to
lock the gates at the local zoo).
Why?
Is this what Free Software advocates really want for their systems?
To the casual observer, it might seem like sabotage (on an individual
level), or more generally ... a hostile invasion.
That's why I contend we should be shoring-up our defences against such
an invasion, by (amongst other things) completely obliterating all
traces of Microsoft's Poisonware from Free Software.
That's not inhibiting those developers' Freedom, since the "Freedom" to
subjugate others (with proprietary licenses and patents) is /not/ a
"right" of Freedom at all ... it's an abuse of power. /Preventing/ that
abuse of power is merely an act of self defence (much like the GPL not
only /provides/ Freedom, but also /protects/ it - unlike the anarchistic
apathy of the BSD, for example).
Those "developers" still have Windows, in all its encumbered glory, to
satisfy their mysterious "needs".
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which
| the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf
| denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty.
| Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of
| the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today
| among human creatures." ~ Abraham Lincoln
`----
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.26.8-57.fc8
20:46:14 up 31 days, 44 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.00
Homer
> After takin' a swig o' grog, 7 belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>> Fantastic Chris! Thank you.
Seconded. This is one of the best image viewers I've seen yet.
> Feh.
Odd name though.
Is there an accompanying audio player called "Bleah" by any chance?
> :-)
>
> (I use feh also to set my wallpaper, and to instantly rotate and save
> any sideways pix. There are other viewers out there, of course.)
Try this:
feh -rFcXsZp -y 160 -E 120 -W 1680 -H 1050 -o collage.png /mnt/pics/
(Set -W and -H to your usual desktop resolution, and "/mnt/pics" to the
directory where the pictures are.)
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which
| the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf
| denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty.
| Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of
| the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today
| among human creatures." ~ Abraham Lincoln
`----
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.26.8-57.fc8
21:51:53 up 31 days, 1:49, 4 users, load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.07
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Try this:
>
> feh -rFcXsZp -y 160 -E 120 -W 1680 -H 1050 -o collage.png /mnt/pics/
>
> (Set -W and -H to your usual desktop resolution, and "/mnt/pics" to the
> directory where the pictures are.)
Cool. Add a -z too.
This is what I do when I feel like changing the wallpaper:
feh -z -r -g 1200x800 /usr/local/share/wallpapers/1920x1200 &
and peruse them until I see one that suits my current fancy.
And this is in my .xsession or .fluxbox/startup:
eval `cat $HOME/.fehbg` &
And this is currently in that .fehbg file:
feh --bg-tile
'/usr/local/share/wallpapers/1920x1200/Linux/SE-Diamondplate-1829x1200.jpg'
which is generated by rightclicking and selection Background/Tile.
--
Q: What's a WASP's idea of open-mindedness?
A: Dating a Canadian.
Hans Lister
>
> Try this:
>
> feh -rFcXsZp -y 160 -E 120 -W 1680 -H 1050 -o collage.png /mnt/pics/
>
> (Set -W and -H to your usual desktop resolution, and "/mnt/pics" to the
> directory where the pictures are.)
Tell me again how Linux is ready for average Joe's desktop.
I must have missed it the first time.
Snit
6/28/09 5:46 PM:
That is... unbelievable.
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Hans Lister
Not to these Linux nuts it's not.
They think people want to do stuff like that.
They really do.
TomB
> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:28:47 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> Hans Lister stated in post uj8p1ilbazds$.1k74wbv3...@40tude.net on
>> 6/28/09 5:46 PM:
>>> I must have missed it the first time.
>>
>> That is... unbelievable.
>
> Not to these Linux nuts it's not.
> They think people want to do stuff like that.
> They really do.
This Linux nut doesn't really care. This Linux nut knows how to work
the system, and is happy as such.
--
"Not in public!" laughed the white-haired DARPA contract monitor as the
vile archduke tongue slashed her quivering charlies and plunged his
glistening middle leg into her ravenous jam jar.
chrisv
> trolling fscwit Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>> This video shows just what a disgusting pig Stallman is.
This post shows just what a disgusting pig "Ezekiel" is. Any normal
person would quiver at that repulsive heap of slime did. Just imagine
the vile stuff he does when he's not in public and on camera.
>Oooh Look! TwoBeamer is stalking Stallman!
>
>What's the matter, TwoBeamer? Did your imaginary girlfriend leave you?
Maybe Quack wouldn't let him hump his leg - told him that he wasn't
shitty enough, lately.
JEDIDIAH
> On 2009-06-29, the following emerged from the brain of Hans Lister:
>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 21:28:47 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> Hans Lister stated in post uj8p1ilbazds$.1k74wbv3...@40tude.net on
>>> 6/28/09 5:46 PM:
>>>> Tell me again how Linux is ready for average Joe's desktop.
>>>> I must have missed it the first time.
>>>
>>> That is... unbelievable.
>>
>> Not to these Linux nuts it's not.
>> They think people want to do stuff like that.
>> They really do.
>
> This Linux nut doesn't really care. This Linux nut knows how to work
> the system, and is happy as such.
This Linux nut fully realizes that a "geek interface" does not
eliminate the possibility of a drooling-moron-even-suitable-for-Hans
interface. Of course we know that nothing will ever satisify Hans and
if we do manage to come up with some perfect clone of MacOS and or
Windows then he will come up with some even more anaceleptic standard
of "usability".
Windows/MacOS: Because it's just too much to ask of an end user
anymore to be able to plug in or insert a floppy drive or cdrom.
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Snit
AM:
Here you are: not even denying that other OSs provide an easier, better
solution... you are just belittling people for wanting an easier solution.
That is absurd.
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