WARNING: Greg Cox (Former Microsoft Employee) Astroturfing in COLA
Roy Schestowitz
Microsoft.
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Subject: Re: Microsoft Still Lobbies in Kerala (Linux State)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:39:55 GMT
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In article <1eaknw3y...@funkenbusch.com>, erik@despam-
funkenbusch.com says...
> On 17 Dec 2006 20:47:32 -0800, Rex Ballard wrote:
>
> >> They wrote some fairly good apps,
> > Actually most of these apps were purchased from third-rate competitors,
>
> Some were indeed purchased from competitors, and some might even be called
> third rate, though most were probably 2nd rate. Microsoft seldom buys a
> company at the top. But they typically enhance said application a great
> deal in the process. Certainly Word today (or even Word from 10 years ago)
> is far beyond the simple word process they bought in 1983.
>
> > some of whom were simply creating cheap knock-offs of superior products
> > such as Lotus 1-2-3, Corel Draw, Harvard Graphics, and WordPerfect.
>
> Microsoft did not buy Excel, it was written entirely by its own company,
> though Multiplan was a purchase many years ago.
I don't believe either Word or Multiplan were purchased but were
completely developed in-house. If my memory serves, Charles Simoni was
the architect for Word and probably Multiplan although Jeff Harbors may
also deserve some of the credit. In any case, both Word and Multiplan
were in development at Microsoft in 1981 when I became the 8086 assembly
language guy that was responsible for the p-code interpreter that hosted
Word, MultiPlan, and the other products in the MultiTools line.
As for Word For Windows, I know for a fact that it was completely
written from scratch at Microsoft because I was on the version 1.0
development team...
"There are 10 kinds of people in the world:
those that understand binary and those that don't." - Unknown
Erik Funkenbusch
> More shills for the killfile. Unsurprisingly, all his posts are in defence of
> Microsoft.
Gee Roy, and here you were just complaining about Tim "stalking" you, and
that you were going to call the police.
How much more of a hypocrite can you be?
Tim Smith
Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
> More shills for the killfile. Unsurprisingly, all his posts are in defence of
> Microsoft.
>
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>
> Message-ID: <MPG.1feff3bbc...@news.easynews.com>
> From: Greg Cox <gregc@REMOVE_THIS_magivark.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
> Subject: Re: Microsoft Still Lobbies in Kerala (Linux State)
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:39:55 GMT
Why did it take you almost a month to respond to this?
> > Some were indeed purchased from competitors, and some might even be called
> > third rate, though most were probably 2nd rate. Microsoft seldom buys a
> > company at the top. But they typically enhance said application a great
> > deal in the process. Certainly Word today (or even Word from 10 years ago)
> > is far beyond the simple word process they bought in 1983.
> >
> > > some of whom were simply creating cheap knock-offs of superior products
> > > such as Lotus 1-2-3, Corel Draw, Harvard Graphics, and WordPerfect.
> >
> > Microsoft did not buy Excel, it was written entirely by its own company,
> > though Multiplan was a purchase many years ago.
>
> I don't believe either Word or Multiplan were purchased but were
> completely developed in-house. If my memory serves, Charles Simoni was
> the architect for Word and probably Multiplan although Jeff Harbors may
> also deserve some of the credit. In any case, both Word and Multiplan
> were in development at Microsoft in 1981 when I became the 8086 assembly
> language guy that was responsible for the p-code interpreter that hosted
> Word, MultiPlan, and the other products in the MultiTools line.
You'd think in that month, you could have done a little research, Roy.
Then you'd have found out that Greg is right about Word. It was
developed by Charles Simonyi, and Richard Brodie, both who had come from
Xerox PARC, where Simonyi *invented* the word processor.
If you can't address his points, just STFU, instead of trotting out your
predictable shill argument (especially considering that he *told* us he
used to work for Microsoft, but you continue to keep silent about who is
financing your FUD campaign).
--
--Tim Smith
Erik Funkenbusch
> In article <2637022.S...@schestowitz.com>,
> Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>
>> More shills for the killfile. Unsurprisingly, all his posts are in defence of
>> Microsoft.
>>
>> ------------------------
>>
>> Message-ID: <MPG.1feff3bbc...@news.easynews.com>
>> From: Greg Cox <gregc@REMOVE_THIS_magivark.com>
>> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
>> Subject: Re: Microsoft Still Lobbies in Kerala (Linux State)
>> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:39:55 GMT
>
> Why did it take you almost a month to respond to this?
You might want to re-read that date.
> If you can't address his points, just STFU, instead of trotting out your
> predictable shill argument (especially considering that he *told* us he
> used to work for Microsoft, but you continue to keep silent about who is
> financing your FUD campaign).
Greg has made it no secret that he used to work for Microsoft. From nearly
his first article in COLA almost 10 years ago.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac.advocacy/msg/21bff23616eded0b
Leave it to Roy to break a 10 year old story that means nothing, and
misleading suggest something in his headline that is a lie.
Roy Schestowitz
Shills defends shill, modify subject line twice to attack the messenger and get
past killfiles.
Are you all working for the same company, 'dudes'?
Are you any of the shills below (just less exposed)?
http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03096.pdf
Microsoft pays star writers to recite slogan
,----[ Quote ]
| The stodgy old media industry has a rule that newspaper reporters, and TV
| news hosts, shouldn't trade on their public trust to endorse products.
`----
http://valleywag.com/tech/federated-media/microsoft-pays-star-writers-to-recite-slogan-271485.php
Malik, Arrington and Battelle: X-22, come in [to Microsoft]
,----[ Quote ]
| What would possess a collection of online publishers and venture capitalists
| to pimp a Microsoft advertising slogan?
|
| Valleywag today reported about a site tied to a Microsoft ad campaign
| where the likes of Michael Arrington, Om Malik and others seemingly
| lend their support to the "people-ready" catchphrase.
|
| I sent e-mails both to Arrington and Malik and--surprise,
| surprise--heard nothing back. (Obviously, they are not yet
| sufficiently "Coop-ready.") Microsoft was still checking for me into
| whether money exchanged hands. But even if not a single shekel exchanged
| hands, I must wonder about the absence of common sense. Why would
| ostensibly independent voices come across as Microsoft shills? If
| they were hoping for a free dinner with Bill Gates, there are
| smarter ways to go about it.
`----
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9733995-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20
,----[ Quote ]
| "The main thing I'm pissed off about right now is that they pulled all the
| ads, which mean we're taking a revenue hit. We're running a business here,
| and have payroll to make. We run ads to make that payroll. Those ads have now
| been pulled."
|
| Microsoft once again corrupts confidence in the blogsphere. They
| turn 'citizen journalists' to marketing people in disguise.
`----
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9734034-7.html?tag=head
How's the Reception at [Microsoft's] Channel 9?
,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates emphasized the importance of blogging in a
| May 2004 speech during the company's annual CEO summit. But Gates doesn't
| blog; same for Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer.
|
| [...]
|
| Many Microsoft employees do blog, reportedly more than 4,000 of them.
| The number of employee bloggers was comparatively quite small, about
| 300, before the launch of Channel 9 and the success of Scoble's blog.
|
| Last year could be called year of the blog at Microsoft. Employee
| blogrolls swelled and Microsoft bloggers disseminated lots of
| vital information about the company. Increasingly, employee
| bloggers are becoming Microsoft's primary evangelists. They are
| certainly a group over which the company can exact some control
| and which can spin information to Microsoft's advantage.
`----
Recidivist M$ Up to New Tricks
,----[ Quote ]
| Unleash the Astro-Turfers!
|
| Already on Apple oriented developer mailing lists one can see the
| astro-turfing has begun. A really amateurish attempt by 'Mac Developer' (no
| one uses a stupid handle like that) turned up today.
`----
http://rixstep.com/1/20071004,00.shtml
Meet Thomas Brooks. He's a viral marketer for Microsoft.
,----[ Quote ]
| It's unfortunate that paid blogging is becoming all the more prevalent in
| communities like 1UP. And it's not just the blogs or reviews, it's also the
| message boards. Microsoft, for instance, also has a person (or people?) who
| is paid to post on some of the popular gaming boards (and no, Jeff Bell
| wasn't part of that plan). But it's not just Microsoft -- I know of a few
| other game publishers who pay users to blog. They don't necessarily require
| bloggers to say positive things about their products, but it's certainly
| implied with the paychecks.
|
| What bums me out about all this viral stuff is that, to some extent, you
| don't know who to trust anymore. There was a time when, if you no longer
| believed in what the professional editors where saying, you could at least
| count on your fellow gamers for honest opinions. Not anymore. In a sense,
| perhaps that helps elevate the importance of the professional word once
| again, which I suppose is a good thing for us. But I'm still not happy about
| it.
`----
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8281416&publicUserId=4561231
,----[ Quote ]
| In 2001, the Los Angeles Times accused Microsoft of astroturfing
| when hundreds of similar letters were sent to newspapers voicing
| disagreement with the United States Department of Justice and its
| antitrust suit against Microsoft. The letters, prepared by Americans
| for Technology Leadership, had in some cases been mailed from
| deceased citizens or nonexistent addresses.
`----
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
MSN Is Spamming The Blogosphere
,----[ Quote ]
| Mr. Youth LLC is a marketing firm and lists MSN as a customer. Their
| website is here: http://www.mryouth.com/ Their phone number is
| (212) 779-8700.
|
| I've talked to a couple of other bloggers who said they are receiving
| similar comments on their blogs. This pisses me off because MSN/Mr.
| Youth should 1) be more upfront about their true identity, and 2)
| provide a real e-mail address so that I can request they take my
| blog off their marketing campaign.
`----
http://www.scott-o-rama.com/2006/12/06/msn-is-spamming-the-blogosphere/
,----[ Quote ]
| "Some years back, Microsoft practiced a lot of dirty tricks using
| online mavens to go into forums and create Web sites extolling the virtues
| of Windows over OS/2. They were dubbed the Microsoft Munchkins, and it
| was obvious who they were and what they were up to. But their numbers
| and energy (and they way they joined forces with nonaligned dummies who
| liked to pile on) proved too much for IBM marketers, and Windows wont
| he operating-system war through fifth-column tactics"
|
| Mr Dvorak wonders if Microsoft is today using reverse-dirty-tricks
| to promote the Xbox 360: pay people to create Web sites that slam the
| gaming computer in order to provoke a barrage of defenders.
`----
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/gizmos/2005/11/2_grassroots_an.html
Microsoft really loves Bloggers !!!
,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft regularly flies customers and industry experts to its
| campus in Washington to listen to the feedback given by those
| people.The company invites dozens of key customers and partners
| to the event,where they spend brainstorming as a group.But as of
| late, Microsoft has changed it's strategy and the company is
| making extensive use of blogs to get direct customer feedback.
|
| Within a year,more than 1000 Microsoft employee blogs featured
| developers and product managers talking directly to customers every
| day, instead of once a year.Microsoft employees read dozens of
| blogs every day to see how customers react to Microsoft products
| and services. In fact,Microsoft employees have taken a bigger leap
| and even contribute to other's blogs in the expanding space of
| Blogosphere.
`----
http://thoughtsprevail.blogspot.com/2007/03/microsoft-really-loves-bloggers.html
Microsoft Traps and Hunts for Bloggers in India !!
,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft has announced the "Microsoft BlogStars" contest, to Hunts
| for Developer Bloggers in India. After feeling the power and increase of
| the Bloggers community in India, Microsoft tries to trap and hunt Bloggers
| in India to buildup the blogging community, for writing blog posts
| supporting towards Microsoft Technologies.
`----
http://i5bala.blogspot.com/2006/10/microsoft-traps-and-hunts-for-bloggers.html
Seattle Area Bloggers Needed for Microsoft User Research Study
,----[ Quote ]
| For your participation, we'll give you your choice of retail
| software and hardware from our extensive list. Current titles
| include the latest Xbox, Xbox 360, and PC games, keyboards,
| Microsoft Office, Windows, productivity software and much more.
`----
Bloggers meet Mr. Bill (Gates)
,----[ Quote ]
| That meeting is to help Web developers understand how to "unlock new
| revenue opportunities" through technology and content, which could
| include podcasts and blogs. The Microsoft sessions wraps up with a
| one-hour q-and-a up with Bill Gates.
`----
http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7BD18F3BC9%2DF59E%2D4DB4%2DB978%2DD4651079E274%7D&source=blq%2Fyhoo&dist=yhoo&siteid=yhoo
http://tinyurl.com/yjaseg
Bribing Bloggers
,----[ Quote ]
| This is the most frustrating thing about the practice of giving
| bloggers free stuff: it pisses in the well, reducing the credibility
| of all blogs. I'm upset that people trust me less because of the
| behavior of other bloggers. Don't even get me started about PayPerPost.
|
| [...]
|
| Do not, under any circumstances, consider upgrading an XP system to
| Vista... even if it's fairly new and even if it's Vista Supremo
| Premium Ultra-Capable.
`----
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/28.html
Microsoft's Laptop Giveaway Becoming PR Disaster?
,----[ Quote ]
| This thing is starting to feel like a PR disaster. Bloggers are
| starting to smell blood and this thing very well may begin to
| turn into yet another episode of bloggers gone wild.
`----
http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/061228/23174_id.html?.v=1
Bribing Bloggers
,----[ Quote ]
| It's a bribe. Period. You say nice things about us, you get nice
| things from us. Heck, just say neutral things about us-we'll give
| you a killer new laptop and we know that you'll be inclined to say
| better things about us.
`----
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2077596,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03129TX1K0000616
Getting a Vaio [with Vista, from Microsoft, even in March 2007]
,----[ Quote ]
| Microsoft Belgium rang me yesterday (I don?t think they realised it
| was a public holiday here!).
|
| [...]
|
| The phone call yesterday was to confirm my address - the laptop (a
| Sony Vaio - dunno which model or spec yet) is en route with Vista
| Ultimate and Office Ultimate pre-installed.
`----
http://www.tomrafteryit.net/getting-a-vaio/
INQhack survives Vistability test in Volesville
,----[ Quote ]
| The Vole (Microsoft) supposedly invited The INQ over for tea because
| we are notorious "Microsoft doubters" - and we were accompanied by
| other supposed Vole doubters such as the folk from lifehacker and
| a very nice man from Slashdot, as well as some Microsoft MvPs.
`----
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36312
Microsoft desperately wants my love -- and yours
,----[ Quote ]
| I spent December seventh, eighth, and ninth in Seattle as Microsoft's
| guest. Microsoft flew me there from Florida at its expense, put me up
| in a nice hotel, provided decent food, and comped me and four other
| invitees to this "special conference" with presentations about the
| marvels of Vista and other recent or upcoming Microsoft products. They
| didn't quite play the old Beatles song "Love Me Do" in the background,
| but it was the event's unstated theme.
`----
http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/12/12/085222
EU cracks down on fake blogger astroturfing
,----[ Quote ]
| But back to the web, and with sneaky marketing campaigns likely to be more
| effective than upfront marketing campaigns, what is stopping companies from
| simply risking it and continuing existing practices?
`----
Hadron
He is clearly unhinged. I'm amazed Manchester Polytechnic allow him to
represent them.
chrisv
>Leave it to Roy to break a 10 year old story that means nothing, and
>misleading suggest something in his headline that is a lie.
Maybe he needs reeducation at the next M$ FUD retreat.
Erik Funkenbusch
> ____/ Erik Funkenbusch on Friday 11 January 2008 03:40 : \____
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:38:14 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>> More shills for the killfile. Unsurprisingly, all his posts are in defence
>>> of Microsoft.
>>
>> Gee Roy, and here you were just complaining about Tim "stalking" you, and
>> that you were going to call the police.
>>
>> How much more of a hypocrite can you be?
>
> Shills defends shill, modify subject line twice to attack the messenger and get
> past killfiles.
So you're simply not going to even address the fact that you just accused
Tim of stalking you online, then you go and pull this?
> Are you all working for the same company, 'dudes'?
I considered a sarcastic response here, but I figured you'd probably miss
the sarcasm and assume I was admitting to something insane that only you
would believe.
The answer is no, and you're more than paranoid to believe so. There's
more evidence that YOU are being paid to post than anyone else here. Then
again, those that accuse others of things typically do so because they're
assuming everyone is like them. It's called Projecting.
Moshe Goldfarb
Obviously Roy Schestowitz is breaking down.
Hopefully the school has some kind of counseling program that he can take
advantage of.
Mark Dodel
<newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
-> More shills for the killfile. Unsurprisingly, all his posts are in defence of
-> Microsoft.
->
Sounds paranoid, and of course the dimwit trolls trivialize it, but
microsoft has a past history of paying people to spread FUD. There
was the long ago blatant trolling of Steve Barkto (aka Rick Segal),
who pretended to be an OS/2 user, but was a microsoft employee who
attacked OS/2. For over a decade there was (and unfortunately recently
revived), a psycho-troll who called himself the os2guy, who did
everything he could to attack OS/2, OS/2 developers and OS/2 users.
This nutcase has now embraced Macs, but that is probably fake as well,
and his intention most likely is to drive people away from the Mac
groups with his incessant, insane blather. Just within the past week
or so an active microsoft employee posting anonymously who was
unveiled in the comp.os.os2 groups after he posted supporting the long
time anti-OS/2 troll. He admitted it and said it wasn't important who
he worked for. See the thread at
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.os2.misc/browse_thread/thread/1
a640e9979fb5417
Its not just a criminal organization, m$ft is supported by liars.
Mark
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Moshe Goldfarb
> Sounds paranoid, and of course the dimwit trolls trivialize it, but
> microsoft has a past history of paying people to spread FUD. There
> was the long ago blatant trolling of Steve Barkto (aka Rick Segal),
> who pretended to be an OS/2 user, but was a microsoft employee who
> attacked OS/2.
> Mark
Why would anyone pretend to be an OS/2 user?
OS/2 was dead before it was even born.
Linonut
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:15:07 -0600, Mark Dodel wrote:
>
>> Sounds paranoid, and of course the dimwit trolls trivialize it, but
>> microsoft has a past history of paying people to spread FUD. There
>> was the long ago blatant trolling of Steve Barkto (aka Rick Segal),
>> who pretended to be an OS/2 user, but was a microsoft employee who
>> attacked OS/2.
>
> Why would anyone pretend to be an OS/2 user?
> OS/2 was dead before it was even born.
Nah, it was a serious OS. IBM and Microsoft together really screwed the
pooch with that one.
--
The increasing percentage of Vista isn't growth -- it's molting.
Sinister Midget
wrote:
So what if Roy Schestowitz is big hypocrite? Just about all COLA
poster here is hypocrite.
Moshe Goldfarb
> * Moshe Goldfarb fired off this tart reply:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:15:07 -0600, Mark Dodel wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds paranoid, and of course the dimwit trolls trivialize it, but
>>> microsoft has a past history of paying people to spread FUD. There
>>> was the long ago blatant trolling of Steve Barkto (aka Rick Segal),
>>> who pretended to be an OS/2 user, but was a microsoft employee who
>>> attacked OS/2.
>>
>> Why would anyone pretend to be an OS/2 user?
>> OS/2 was dead before it was even born.
>
> Nah, it was a serious OS. IBM and Microsoft together really screwed the
> pooch with that one.
I've heard of it but have never seen it in the wild.
Hadron
Then you're way of the mark. OS/2 was the main system used in (at least)
the great majority of large retail stores and banks in Germany for many years.
It WAS a really good OS.
Unfortunately the "advocates" scared people off.
Moshe Goldfarb
Could be.
The only time I saw OS/2 was sitting in dusty boxes in the computer room of
a place I used to work.
A friend just told me it was used by banks.
Live and learn.
Erik Funkenbusch
>> I've heard of it but have never seen it in the wild.
>
> Then you're way of the mark. OS/2 was the main system used in (at least)
> the great majority of large retail stores and banks in Germany for many years.
>
> It WAS a really good OS.
>
> Unfortunately the "advocates" scared people off.
It wasn't really that great of an OS. It had a lot of problems, it was
just better than Windows 3.x. It was mostly on par with Windows 9x,
though. Sure, it had better memory protection, but it was more complicated
to use (Workplace Shell, it's shell was very powerful, but confusing to
average users in a lot of ways) and had several limitations (such as the
single input queue, and 512MB max process size).
But the #1 problem with it was IBM, in fact few people actually even knew
it's "advocates". IBM couldn't market it out of a paper bag, and they had
the built-in liability that they were a competitor to other OEM's, so they
would never be able to get the majority of them to license OS/2. What's
more, OS/2 was largely controlled by the Mainframe mindset people at IBM
and really had very little clue about what makes an OS desirable by
end-users.
That Mainframe mindset made it very attractive to banks and insurance
companies, who used OS/2 in everythign from ATM's to desktops, largely
because it was very good at IBM proprietary communication protocols. Not
to mention, most of the manuals were written by the same people that wrote
the Mainframe manuals, so mainframe people could undestand them (though not
many others).