IE share slips under 70%; Firefox surges past 20%
nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu
The market share of Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer dropped under
the 70% mark last month for the first time since Web metrics vendor
Net Applications Inc. started keeping tabs on browsers, ...[IE is] off
7.6 percentage points in the past year.... Firefox [ended] the month
at 20.8%, an increase of 0.8 percentage points, the largest one-month
increase since March 2007.
[Partial explanation...] "The more home users who are online, using
Firefox and Safari at home rather than IE, the more those browsers'
shares go up," he said. With November including the Thanksgiving
holiday in the U.S. and more weekend days this year -- 10 such days,
versus an average of 8.7 per month -- users were at home more than
usual.
Net Applications' data has consistently shown that Firefox and Safari
usage climbs on weekends and after work hours, as users surf from home
computers rather than from work machines, which typically run
Microsoft's IE.
</Quote>
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9121919
Translation: People use IE at work because they are forced to, but at
home where they have a choice they use Firefox.
Tony Manco
> <Quote>
> The market share of Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer dropped under
> the 70% mark last month for the first time since Web metrics vendor
> Net Applications Inc. started keeping tabs on browsers, ...[IE is] off
> 7.6 percentage points in the past year.... Firefox [ended] the month
> at 20.8%, an increase of 0.8 percentage points, the largest one-month
> increase since March 2007.
This had to happen some time...
> Translation: People use IE at work because they are forced to, but at
> home where they have a choice they use Firefox.
Don't forget that you are forced to use IE in most schools too... when
you have limited accounts... This is why I always carry a CD of OPHcrack
with me :-P
--
Linux - You must break it | Windows - It breaks itself
Hadron
> nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu wrote:
>> <Quote>
>> The market share of Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer dropped under
>> the 70% mark last month for the first time since Web metrics vendor
I thought you couldn't have market share for something that is "free"?
>> Net Applications Inc. started keeping tabs on browsers, ...[IE is] off
>> 7.6 percentage points in the past year.... Firefox [ended] the month
>> at 20.8%, an increase of 0.8 percentage points, the largest one-month
>> increase since March 2007.
>
> This had to happen some time...
What? A 0.8 % raise?
>
>> Translation: People use IE at work because they are forced to, but at
>> home where they have a choice they use Firefox.
Real translation : IE is still the dominant browser. Firefox is popular.
>
> Don't forget that you are forced to use IE in most schools too... when
> you have limited accounts... This is why I always carry a CD of OPHcrack
> with me :-P
You hack school computers?!?
I am yet to visit any office where people are "forced" to use IE. If
anything they have no access to the web at all, but if they do they can
generally use the browser of their choice.
--
"The "XP could sink Microsoft" thread his an absolute gem. You'd think
these advocates were related to Nostradamus!"
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy
Hadron
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:58:48 +0000, Tony Manco wrote:
>
>
>> Don't forget that you are forced to use IE in most schools too... when
>> you have limited accounts... This is why I always carry a CD of OPHcrack
>> with me :-P
>
> So you hack school computers?
> This is something you are proud of?
> I'm sure the authorities would be very interested in your "extra curricular
> activities".
> For your sake, I hope you don't get caught.
>
> It's morons like you that give the real Linux advocates (there are none in
> COLA BTW) a bad name.
I am. Tim Smith is. Ezekiel is I believe. Michael Trausch is. There are
a few otgers but, well to be honest, it's hard to think of any.
--
"His asshole is so reamed out he has room for an oxygen
tank, too."
-- Tattoo Vampire loooking for new accomodation in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Cork Soaker
> "Gary M. Stewart" <gmstew...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:58:48 +0000, Tony Manco wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Don't forget that you are forced to use IE in most schools too... when
>>> you have limited accounts... This is why I always carry a CD of OPHcrack
>>> with me :-P
>> So you hack school computers?
>> This is something you are proud of?
>> I'm sure the authorities would be very interested in your "extra curricular
>> activities".
>> For your sake, I hope you don't get caught.
>>
>> It's morons like you that give the real Linux advocates (there are none in
>> COLA BTW) a bad name.
>>
>
> I am. Tim Smith is. Ezekiel is I believe. Michael Trausch is. There are
> a few otgers but, well to be honest, it's hard to think of any.
>
Funny.
Cork Soaker
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:58:48 +0000, Tony Manco wrote:
>
>
>> you have limited accounts... This is why I always carry a CD of OPHcrack
>> with me :-P
>
> This is something you are proud of?
> I'm sure the authorities would be very interested in your "extra curricular
> activities".
> For your sake, I hope you don't get caught.
>
> It's morons like you that give the real Linux advocates (there are none in
> COLA BTW) a bad name.
Like you, you mean?
Leave then, silly cunt.
Cork Soaker
> Tony Manco <trmanco...@sapo.pt> writes:
>
>> nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu wrote:
>>> <Quote>
>>> The market share of Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer dropped under
>>> the 70% mark last month for the first time since Web metrics vendor
>
> I thought you couldn't have market share for something that is "free"?
That's because you are a complete moron, as you constantly prove with
stupid-as-shit comments like that!
Wibble wobble lie lie lie.
>
>>> Net Applications Inc. started keeping tabs on browsers, ...[IE is] off
>>> 7.6 percentage points in the past year.... Firefox [ended] the month
>>> at 20.8%, an increase of 0.8 percentage points, the largest one-month
>>> increase since March 2007.
>> This had to happen some time...
>
> What? A 0.8 % raise?
What a gimp!
>
>>> Translation: People use IE at work because they are forced to, but at
>>> home where they have a choice they use Firefox.
>
> Real translation : IE is still the dominant browser. Firefox is popular.
>
>> Don't forget that you are forced to use IE in most schools too... when
>> you have limited accounts... This is why I always carry a CD of OPHcrack
>> with me :-P
>
> You hack school computers?!?
>
> I am yet to visit any office where people are "forced" to use IE. If
> anything they have no access to the web at all, but if they do they can
> generally use the browser of their choice.
>
I'm not thoroughly convinced you can not read.
Wibble wobble wibble wobble True Linux Advocate wibble wobble kernel
hacker wibble wobble lies.
Tony Manco
> So you hack school computers?
No...
> This is something you are proud of?
Yes, at least I can /tune/ those Windows junkware computers at school
with some OSS software.
> I'm sure the authorities would be very interested in your "extra curricular
> activities".
> For your sake, I hope you don't get caught.
Go ahead call them. I will just sit down, laugh and see what they have
to say about all those pirated Windows installations I have at school,
and software like Photoshop, etc, students/teachers install illegally on
it too.
> It's morons like you that give the real Linux advocates (there are none in
> COLA BTW) a bad name.
It is morons like me that make things better, I may have cracked those
school passwords to suit my software needs but I also gave warnings to
my school's pseudo Windows Administrators that the passwords they where
using were too weak...before someone bad would get their hands on them.
chrisv
>Hadron quacked:
>>
>> I thought you couldn't have market share for something that is "free"?
>
>That's because you are a complete moron, as you constantly prove with
>stupid-as-shit comments like that!
>
>Wibble wobble lie lie lie.
Indeed. AFAIK, the advocates in here have always taken the position
that money is NOT a factor in calculating market share, while some
Wintrolls (Rat comes to mind) argued otherwise.
So, the fsckwit Quack AGAIN makes a jackass of himself, hoping to
attack the advocates, but in fact attacking his fellow Wintrolls!
Amazing.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:58:48 +0000, Tony Manco wrote:
>
>> Don't forget that you are forced to use IE in most schools too... when
>> you have limited accounts... This is why I always carry a CD of OPHcrack
>> with me :-P
>
> So you hack school computers?
> This is something you are proud of?
> I'm sure the authorities would be very interested in your "extra curricular
> activities".
> For your sake, I hope you don't get caught.
You don't give two shits about him, fess up.
> It's morons like you that give the real Linux advocates (there are none in
> COLA BTW) a bad name.
Don't be silly.
Hacking has nothing to do with Linux. It's an attitude. And hacking isn't
necessarily bad, either. In the IE case above, you could well argue it is
for their own good that you're not running that susceptible junk.
(Although with the recent round of orders in the military to suspend all use
of USB sticks, one guy said he threw the Billix boot stick away like it was
a hot potato -- among other things, it sports a disk nuker and a Windows
password cracker.)
--
It is not good for a man to be without knowledge,
and he who makes haste with his feet misses his way.
-- Proverbs 19:2
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
Completely bizarre.
Ever notice how Hadron gets incoherent late at night? I think he should
stop posting after 10 PM.
--
Comparing information and knowledge is like asking whether the fatness of a
pig is more or less green than the designated hitter rule."
-- David Guaspari
Cork Soaker
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Cork Soaker belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> "Gary M. Stewart" <gmstew...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:58:48 +0000, Tony Manco wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget that you are forced to use IE in most schools too... when
>>>>> you have limited accounts... This is why I always carry a CD of OPHcrack
>>>>> with me :-P
>>>> So you hack school computers?
>>>> This is something you are proud of?
>>>> I'm sure the authorities would be very interested in your "extra curricular
>>>> activities".
>>>> For your sake, I hope you don't get caught.
>>>>
>>>> It's morons like you that give the real Linux advocates (there are none in
>>>> COLA BTW) a bad name.
>>>>
>>>> How many here are liars?
>>> I am. Tim Smith is. Ezekiel is I believe. Michael Trausch is. There are
>>> a few otgers but, well to be honest, it's hard to think of any.
>> Funny.
>
> Completely bizarre.
>
> Ever notice how Hadron gets incoherent late at night? I think he should
> stop posting after 10 PM.
>
But that's when her shift starts at the morgue!
By shift I obviously mean... well, work it out!
OK
<nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote:
><Quote>
> The market share of Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer dropped under
>the 70% mark last month for the first time since Web metrics vendor
>Net Applications Inc. started keeping tabs on browsers, ...[IE is] off
>7.6 percentage points in the past year.... Firefox [ended] the month
>at 20.8%, an increase of 0.8 percentage points, the largest one-month
>increase since March 2007.
>
>[Partial explanation...] "The more home users who are online, using
>Firefox and Safari at home rather than IE, the more those browsers'
>shares go up," he said. With November including the Thanksgiving
>holiday in the U.S. and more weekend days this year -- 10 such days,
>versus an average of 8.7 per month -- users were at home more than
>usual.
>
>Net Applications' data has consistently shown that Firefox and Safari
>usage climbs on weekends and after work hours, as users surf from home
>computers rather than from work machines, which typically run
>Microsoft's IE.
></Quote>
From the same reliable source: Linux still very far from reaching 1%
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustom=Linux
Gregory Shearman
Good to see you are keeping the faith.
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Hadron
> Gary M. Stewart wrote:
>> So you hack school computers?
>
> No...
>
>> This is something you are proud of?
>
> Yes, at least I can /tune/ those Windows junkware computers at school
> with some OSS software.
I have seen some self nukes. But that second answer takes the biscuit.
chrisv
>mentally-ill troll wrote:
>>
>> It's morons like you that give the real Linux advocates (there are none in
>> COLA BTW) a bad name.
>
>Don't be silly.
Leave him alone. He's just lying. Again.
JEDIDIAH
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:58:48 +0000, Tony Manco wrote:
>
>
>> you have limited accounts... This is why I always carry a CD of OPHcrack
>> with me :-P
>
My professors at University were.
[deletia]
Not everyone in academia is the sort of stereotype
you would see in The Simpsons or Revenge of the Nerds.
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Ruel Smith
If you were an ethical Linux advocate/user, you would not have cracked any
password to suit your needs. It is plain wrong. Countering piracy is
good but it is not right to counter piracy with illegally gaining
access to systems. As Stewart said, such activities puts Linux
advocates in bad light.
RS
chrisv
>If you were an ethical Linux advocate/user, you would not have cracked any
>password to suit your needs. It is plain wrong. Countering piracy is
>good but it is not right to counter piracy with illegally gaining
>access to systems. As Stewart said, such activities puts Linux
>advocates in bad light.
Cracking a password on a pseudo-public computer? Was some harm done?
Sounds like a pretty mild thing, to me.
Tony Manco
> If you were an ethical Linux advocate/user, you would not have cracked any
> password to suit your needs. It is plain wrong. Countering piracy is
> good but it is not right to counter piracy with illegally gaining
> access to systems. As Stewart said, such activities puts Linux
> advocates in bad light.
>
> RS
How would I program websites in XHTML, Javascript and CSS? With Notepad?
Frontpage? Nop, I installed Notepad++ my problem got solved.
How about checking a website layout, if it was correctly rendered, etc
etc? How would you want me to do it, with IE, oh give me a break, I
installed Firefox and once again problem solved...
I used *GNU/Linux* to gain administrative privileges , is that a shame
too?? Is it illegal to use GNU/Linux in schools? It is not my fault that
the password was so weak, it took 2 minutes in class to do this. Imagine
if it got on the wrong hands? Some other student with intention of
screwing up the network, with a little of luck he would have access to
the ISA server too...
I've checked today that this problem got solved, they (school admins)
finally put in a good long password.
I did this for 2 reasons:
1- To install good software and make me more productive
2- Test the school's computer/network security, it has many flaws...
Ruel Smith, How would you proceed, imagine if you had to hand code a
website that would count as an exam for your final classification. Would
you stick with Notepad?
Ruel Smith
> Ruel Smith wrote:
>> If you were an ethical Linux advocate/user, you would not have cracked any
>> password to suit your needs. It is plain wrong. Countering piracy is
>> good but it is not right to counter piracy with illegally gaining
>> access to systems. As Stewart said, such activities puts Linux
>> advocates in bad light.
>>
>> RS
>
> How would I program websites in XHTML, Javascript and CSS? With Notepad?
> Frontpage? Nop, I installed Notepad++ my problem got solved.
You must be new to Unix(-like) systems. On Windows, you may use cygwin
(with X), install vim or emacs. It is not very difficult and I encourage
you to learn ethical methods.
> How about checking a website layout, if it was correctly rendered, etc
> etc? How would you want me to do it, with IE, oh give me a break, I
> installed Firefox and once again problem solved...
Browsershots. I realize you are quite new to web development also. If
you still want Firefox, you may use PortableApps. If you know HTML,
DOCTYPEs, CSS, the box model and such, you should not have much
problem getting website layout right on your target browser(s). Even
with IE7/8, you can create webpages that look fine in Fx - provided
you know what you are doing. Remember, IE still is the dominant
browser. Targeting only Fx would be a mistake.
On a side note, I recommend using HTML 4.01 Strict rather than XHTML
1.x.
> I used *GNU/Linux* to gain administrative privileges , is that a shame
> too??
The shame is that you do not realize that gaining privileges that you
otherwise should not have is unethical.
> Is it illegal to use GNU/Linux in schools?
No it is not, if you have the correct authority to use it place.
Please remember that computers provided in schools are managed by
staff and faculty with appropriate responsibility. Even if the
responsible staff/faculty do not perform their job, it does not give
you and me the right to exploit vulnerabilities.
> It is not my fault that
> the password was so weak, it took 2 minutes in class to do this.
You realized the passwords were weak (by unethical means, I assume)
and you still went ahead and exploited the weakness. That is unethical.
> Imagine if it got on the wrong hands?
I don't have to. The systems were/are in your wrong hands.
> Some other student with intention of
> screwing up the network, with a little of luck he would have access to
> the ISA server too...
There is no way I can determine that that some other student is not
you. Looking at your actions, chances are high that you may go beyond
what you already did. As long as you realize that there are ethical
ways to learn and perform tasks, or ask for special permission, you
can convert yourself into an ethical and responsible Linux user and
more.
> I've checked today that this problem got solved, they (school admins)
> finally put in a good long password.
Glad they realized that users can exploit weakness and they plugged
the hole. Please do not give yourself the credit for this.
>
> I did this for 2 reasons: [...]
There is no excuse for the unethical behavior.
> Ruel Smith, How would you proceed, imagine if you had to hand code a
> website that would count as an exam for your final classification. Would
> you stick with Notepad?
I can code in any text editor. Notepad does not have syntax
highlighting and auto-tab, which is a pain. But if you know HTML, JS
and CSS, editor does not matter much. As I mentioned, cygwin-vim would
be my preferred choice; there must be a few portable text editors.
Notepad2 for one. Also, when you attempt to install a software under a
non-admin username, try customizing the location of installation files
to your home directory. Check out vim for Windows.
You seem to be young and enthusiastic about Linux. It is not advisable
to spend time whining about Windows. Gain experience and look at
ethical workarounds. That will differentiate you from newbies and
Windows-hating Linux users, who hurt Linux than help. Lashing back at
me with replies is not going to help you, and I am not going to spend
much time on replying to you if you don't learn ethical ways.
Good luck.
RS
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
<complete idiocy snipped>
--
Measure with a micrometer. Mark with chalk. Cut with an axe.
Gregory Shearman
>
> On a side note, I recommend using HTML 4.01 Strict rather than XHTML
> 1.x.
I'm curious as to what's behind this recommendation. Please elucidate.
> You realized the passwords were weak (by unethical means, I assume)
> and you still went ahead and exploited the weakness. That is unethical.
Yes. The correct action is to contact the administrators and demonstrate
for them how easy it is to crack the password.
I don't jump a fence, merely because security on some property appears
lax. I don't do it because I wouldn't want the same thing to happen to
me. Another reason is the lack of security may only be apparent and you
could wind up facing a gigantic German Shepherd.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:31:15 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gary M. Stewart belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>> <complete idiocy snipped>
>
> So you condone breaking into computers with Linux tools.
> It figures.
> <continuing idiocy snipped>
--
A critic is a bundle of biases held loosely together by a sense of taste.
-- Whitney Balliett
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:11:02 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gary M. Stewart belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:31:15 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gary M. Stewart belched out
>>>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>
>>>> <complete idiocy snipped>
>>>
>>> So you condone breaking into computers with Linux tools.
>>> It figures.
>>
>>> <continuing idiocy snipped>
>
> Why don't you actually read what he wrote instead of just burying your head
> in the sand.
>
> The guy is a shining example of a Linux using loser.
>
> Seeing as you seem to condone and defend his felonious behavior, that means
> you must be one as well.
Are you the lost twin of Hadron? Stop sticking words in my mouth.
--
Sho' they got to have it against the law. Shoot, ever'body git high,
they wouldn't be nobody git up and feed the chickens. Hee-hee.
-- Terry Southern
chrisv
> mentally-ill trolll wrote:
>>
>> Seeing as you seem to condone and defend
>
>Are you the lost twin of Hadron? Stop sticking words in my mouth.
You kidding?
The favorite tactic of the lying asshole troll (in general, not this
one in particular) is the "you think (insert lie here)" troll. Often,
the troll will *continue* to assert that "you think (insert lie
here)", even after you state in no uncertain terms that you do not!
Rational, honest people, when faced with a possible miscomminucation,
ask for, and then accept, clarification.
On the other hand, immoral assholes, like Quack and flatshit, seize
upon opportunities to miscommunicate, and automatically interperet
things in such a manner that their "opponent" is shown in the worst
possible light. Attempts to clarify one's position, and/or deny the
asshole's claim, are rejected.
Why do they do this? Because they know that it's annoying, to have
some POS lie to your face that you're a bad (or stupid, or dishonest,
or hypocritical, etc ) person because .....
This is why kill-files were invented, BTW...
Snit
8qqij4hmacc39347f...@4ax.com on 12/5/08 11:13 AM:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> mentally-ill trolll wrote:
>>>
>>> Seeing as you seem to condone and defend
>>
>> Are you the lost twin of Hadron? Stop sticking words in my mouth.
>
> You kidding?
>
> The favorite tactic of the lying asshole troll (in general, not this
> one in particular) is the "you think (insert lie here)" troll.
Yes, people often do that to me... insisting, for example, that I am
*against* choice when I talk about how great it would be for Linux to grow
*more* choices... *user* based choices.
> Often,
> the troll will *continue* to assert that "you think (insert lie
> here)", even after you state in no uncertain terms that you do not!
Yup: look how often Peter Kölhmann insists I am against choice. Weird... is
it possible these people actually believe their BS? Unlikely!
> Rational, honest people, when faced with a possible miscomminucation,
> ask for, and then accept, clarification.
Agreed. That is not common in COLA... sadly.
> On the other hand, immoral assholes, like Quack and flatshit, seize
> upon opportunities to miscommunicate, and automatically interperet
> things in such a manner that their "opponent" is shown in the worst
> possible light. Attempts to clarify one's position, and/or deny the
> asshole's claim, are rejected.
Can you show some examples?
> Why do they do this? Because they know that it's annoying, to have
> some POS lie to your face that you're a bad (or stupid, or dishonest,
> or hypocritical, etc ) person because .....
>
> This is why kill-files were invented, BTW...
--
BU__SH__
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:44:16 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> Seeing as you seem to condone and defend his felonious behavior, that means
>>> you must be one as well.
>>
>> Are you the lost twin of Hadron? Stop sticking words in my mouth.
>
> And why don't you try reading what he wrote, which BTW incriminates him
> further with every reply he makes, instead of just assuming and looking
> like an idiot.
Why in the world would I want to help you troll, and tar someone else's
reputation?
Don't you get it? I don't trust your motives one iota.
--
"But what we need to know is, do people want nasally-insertable computers?"
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> mentally-ill trolll wrote:
>>>
>>> Seeing as you seem to condone and defend
>>
>>Are you the lost twin of Hadron? Stop sticking words in my mouth.
>
> You kidding?
>
> The favorite tactic of the lying asshole troll (in general, not this
> one in particular) is the "you think (insert lie here)" troll. Often,
> the troll will *continue* to assert that "you think (insert lie
> here)", even after you state in no uncertain terms that you do not!
>
> Rational, honest people, when faced with a possible miscomminucation,
> ask for, and then accept, clarification.
>
> On the other hand, immoral assholes, like Quack and flatshit, seize
> upon opportunities to miscommunicate, and automatically interperet
> things in such a manner that their "opponent" is shown in the worst
> possible light. Attempts to clarify one's position, and/or deny the
> asshole's claim, are rejected.
Exactly.
> Why do they do this? Because they know that it's annoying, to have
> some POS lie to your face that you're a bad (or stupid, or dishonest,
> or hypocritical, etc ) person because .....
>
> This is why kill-files were invented, BTW...
Well, that's why I'm not bothering to "clarify" things for Gary.
--
New York is real. The rest is done with mirrors.