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Ku Karlovsky  
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 More options Apr 14 2005, 12:02 am
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: Ku Karlovsky <nos...@nospam.nospam.not>
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:02:48 -0600
Local: Thurs, Apr 14 2005 12:02 am
Subject: Re: Linux is not bad, but very rough around the edges.

Phllat Cornwallfish wrote:
> After a miserable experience

Too bad.  It sucks to be a Fish.

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Kier  
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 More options Apr 14 2005, 4:30 am
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From: Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:30:14 +0100
Local: Thurs, Apr 14 2005 4:30 am
Subject: Re: Linux is not bad, but very rough around the edges.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:40:53 +0200, Phillip Cornwallis wrote:

> After a miserable experience with fedora 64 bit, I decided to sample some
> of the Linux offerings and without going into a long detailed report, I
> can sum it all up in a paragraph.

So can I: you're a liar.

> Linux is nice, but it is strictly in the minor leagues as far as ease of
> use, application stability and usefullness of the applications included
> with the average Linux distribution.

Six or seven hundred applications at the least, and you can't find
anything useful? What are you smoking today, boyo? K3b - easy to use. The
GIMP - easy to use, don't think it's ever crashed on me. OpenOffice.org,
abiword, koffice - how many suites do you nned? Kstars - nice little
astronomy app. Celeastia, stellarium - even nicer. Blender - great 3D
modeller, you can even do animations with it. Mail apps, great browsers,
you name it, Linux has it. Stop whining.

> Sure it's nice that IBM and Pixar use Linux, but I don't need that kind of
> power nor do I have a staff of programmers at my beckoning call to make
> that stuff work.

Too stupid to make it work? Funny, I have few problems doing so.

> I need office applications, desktop media, transportability with my
> clients, 99 percent of which are using either Windows or Apple and quite
> frankly, Linux drops the ball by a large sum.

No, it doesn't.

> So where does Linux fall short?

> Hardware support, especially for printers and scanners.

Wrong. Good and getting better every day.

> Software support for web based day trading applications that inisist the
> user be using Internet Explorer.

Not the fault of Linux. It's stupid web designers who don't stick to
genuine standards, and write instead for one - out of many out there -
browser. And it's not even a good browser. Complain to the people who do
that, don't whine here.

> Financial packages that my accountant requires me to install so that he
> can pick up the monthly books on CDROM.

Whine to your accountant.

> All automatic under Windows.

Big deal.

> I'm sorry but you can wail and flai your arms all you like but Linux just
> does not cut the mustard in what is, unfortunately, a Windows world.

That is not a failing of Linux, so why are you blaming it? Blame Windows.

> For Linux to overtake Windows it has to be better and for the life of me
> and others we can not see Linux winning in any catagory except price.
> And when price is taken and put into context, it is a minor issue.

Not for a great many people in the real world, where money is tight.

> Improve Linux and maybe it will go somewhere but for now it is a 3rd world
> perating system looking for a country.

Didn't we hear this from you a few days ago? Can't you even be bothered
to think up some new lies to tell? These ones are stale bread, going
mouldy.

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Kier


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rapskat  
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 More options Apr 14 2005, 5:50 am
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From: rapskat <raps...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 05:50:30 -0400
Local: Thurs, Apr 14 2005 5:50 am
Subject: Re: Linux is not bad, but very rough around the edges.
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> So where does Linux fall short?

Do tell...

> Hardware support, especially for printers and scanners.

Are you trying to say that Linux has no support at all for printers and
scanners?  If so, you are flat out lying.

Many of the more common printers and scanners are supported by most major
distros of Linux right out of the box.  HP, Epson, Lexmark, Brother,
Okidata, etc. all are supported.  There maybe certain models that are not
fully or at all supported yet, but the wise person checks first.

> Software support for web based day trading applications that inisist the
> user be using Internet Explorer.

And yet Wall Street is practically runs on Linux, imagine.  So somehow
your little day trading website dictates how pertinent Linux is in IT?

What you should be asking yourself is *why* these sites require the most
insecure browser with a long documented history of vulnerabilities and
issues?  Do you really want to trust your personal financial information
to someone who requires you to use something so insecure?

> Financial packages that my accountant requires me to install so that he
> can pick up the monthly books on CDROM. All automatic under Windows.

First off, these are overkill for many home users and small to medium
sized businesses.  Many of the "features" that these offer will never be
used by most.

Secondly, do you want to trust your personal financial information to a
locked in proprietary format?  Forced upgrades every year? Constant
nagging to purchase additional features and services that you don't want
or need?  Essentially being shut down if you ever forget your password?
Incompatibility with other software or even previous versions of the same
software?

No, thank you.

> I'm sorry but you can wail and flai your arms all you like but Linux
> just does not cut the mustard in what is, unfortunately, a Windows
> world.

It *was* a Windows world.  This is slowly but surely changing.  It's
changing because people are starting to realize that they do have viable
alternatives that work and work well.

Linux - Secure, Stable, Open, Better.

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rapskat -  05:28:43 up 1 day, 17:35,  6 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.20, 0.18
        "Maybe is an Ambivalent Yet Beguiling Enigma"


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Jim Trice  
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 More options Apr 14 2005, 9:24 am
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From: Jim Trice <jimtr...@linuxmail.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:54:20 +0930
Local: Thurs, Apr 14 2005 9:24 am
Subject: Re: Linux is not bad, but very rough around the edges.

Something that always astounded me.  Many banks used to be just as bad.
That's slowly changing.  Now some of them are either looking for ways to
stop their customers from using IE for internet banking, or forcing users
to have to use a physical token, in the hopes that that will protect
customers from IE's poor security.  Mostly, they don't want to have to deal
with angry or discouraged customers, or run the risk of being sued.  How
long before other financial institutions start moving in the same
direction?

This one is pretty topical:

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/04/13/BUG2DC78F...>

<quote>
But if you're one of the millions who this year have used the electronic
services of Intuit's TurboTax or H&R Block, you may not know that a
stealthy technology commonly known as Web bugs was used to track your
comings and goings on the Internet.

        ...

But privacy advocates and industry insiders say the technology hinges on the
honor system. If a company wanted to, they say, it could easily record or
misuse any information provided by consumers.

"We could capture your name, your Social Security number or any other
information that you willingly pass to a Web site," acknowledged Matt
Belkin, who serves as vice president of best practices for Utah marketing
giant Omniture, which tracks the online activities of people using Intuit's
TurboTax.
<end quote>

Nice they are so ethical in their use of this information.  What happens if
they get "hacked"?

What happens if the temptation to make more money out of tracking users
movements from site to site through the network of over 400 companies that
use their services, by selling that data, overcomes their ethics?

What happens if they have a change of management, who have a different
policy, and think they won't get caught?  

What if their customers (the 400+ companies, not the Intuit or H&R Block
users) decide they want this tracking data?  

YMMV, they can say "trust us" all they like.  But personally I'm not willing
to trust my privacy, identity, and financial security to any company that
is not openly accountable.

>> I'm sorry but you can wail and flai your arms all you like but Linux
>> just does not cut the mustard in what is, unfortunately, a Windows
>> world.

> It *was* a Windows world.  This is slowly but surely changing.  It's
> changing because people are starting to realize that they do have viable
> alternatives that work and work well.

> Linux - Secure, Stable, Open, Better.

Agreed.  With Linux I can do everything I want to do with a computer, except
keeping up the skills that facilitate fixing other peoples broken Windows
boxes.

Well, actually I can do a little of that too, Knoppix is often handy.

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Regards,
Jim


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