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[News] Microsoft Still Throws Dirt at GNU/Linux with Silverlight, Popfly

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Roy Schestowitz

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Jan 3, 2008, 10:44:58 AM1/3/08
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First Look: Popfly
Popfly for Silverlight: a beta glimpse.

,----[ Quote ]
| Linux Left Out
|
| The animations are equal to those of Flash in terms of quality. However,
| Popfly does have one flaw, which is no Linux support. Novell Inc. is
| developing a Linux version of Silverlight called "Moonlight." Whether
| Microsoft likes it or not, Linux is here to stay and is a growing force on
| the desktop thanks to universal-audience distributions such as Ubuntu.
| Popfly could help Silverlight garner new users quickly, but the platform
| still has a long way to go. After all, Silverlight is a first-generation
| platform, whereas Flash has had eight additional software generations to
| achieve its market penetration.
`----

http://reddevnews.com/news/devnews/article.aspx?editorialsid=930

The the "Microsoft Web". Microsoft calls shots and decide who enters and who is
denied proper access.


Related:

First Look: The Popfly Development Environment

,----[ Quote ]
| However, the Silverlight platform -- and Popfly -- does have one flaw, which
| is no Linux support. Even Adobe releases its current builds of the Flash
| runtime to Linux users. Whether Microsoft likes it or not, Linux is here to
| stay and is a growing force on the desktop thanks to universal-audience
| distributions such as Ubuntu.    
|
| Popfly is a shot in the arm for Silverlight for the purpose of gaining new
| users quickly, but the platform still has a long way to go. After all,
| Silverlight is a first-generation platform, whereas Flash has had eight
| additional software generations to achieve its market penetration.    
`----

http://campustechnology.com/articles/56377/


Microsoft's Silverlight Promises to Disrupt Linux Web Users

,----[ Quote ]
| Just as it seemed that Linux users (especially 64-bit users) would
| finally be able to enjoy streaming content with a minimum of
| hassle, Microsoft's new Silverlight software promises to throw a
| wrench in the works. Because of sites like Google Video and
| Youtube, Flash video has become a common means of streaming
| multimedia over the Internet.
`----

http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1418.html


Microsoft's 'Everywhere' excludes Linux

,----[ Quote ]
| This browser add-on enables rendering of WPF content, but
| "Everywhere" doesn't include Linux.
`----

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7794/53/


ECIS Accuses Microsoft of Plotting HTML Hijack

,----[ Quote ]
| An industry coalition that has represented competitors of Microsoft
| in European markets before the European Commission stepped up its
| public relations offensive this morning, this time accusing
| Microsoft of scheming to upset HTML's place in the fabric of
| the Internet with XAML, an XML-based layout lexicon for
| network applications.
`----

http://www.betanews.com/article/ECIS_Accuses_Microsoft_of_Plotting_HTML_Hijack/1169824569

Mark Kent

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Jan 3, 2008, 1:21:32 PM1/3/08
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Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:

> First Look: Popfly
> Popfly for Silverlight: a beta glimpse.
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>| Linux Left Out
>|
>| The animations are equal to those of Flash in terms of quality. However,
>| Popfly does have one flaw, which is no Linux support. Novell Inc. is
>| developing a Linux version of Silverlight called "Moonlight." Whether
>| Microsoft likes it or not, Linux is here to stay and is a growing force on
>| the desktop thanks to universal-audience distributions such as Ubuntu.
>| Popfly could help Silverlight garner new users quickly, but the platform
>| still has a long way to go. After all, Silverlight is a first-generation
>| platform, whereas Flash has had eight additional software generations to
>| achieve its market penetration.
> `----
>
> http://reddevnews.com/news/devnews/article.aspx?editorialsid=930
>
> The the "Microsoft Web". Microsoft calls shots and decide who enters and who is
> denied proper access.
>

Microsoft will merely become irrelevant in the mobility and appliance
driven Web 3.0

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Rex Ballard

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Jan 3, 2008, 6:18:33 PM1/3/08
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On Jan 3, 10:44 am, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com>
wrote:

> First Look: Popfly
> Popfly for Silverlight: a beta glimpse.
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Linux Left Out
> | The animations are equal to those of Flash in terms of quality. However,
> | Popfly does have one flaw, which is no Linux support.

In an article in Redmond Developer, promoting Microsoft's proprietary
platforms, touts Popfly as "way better than Flash" - but has to
mention that there is no support for Silverlight (the engine used in
the Popfly application).

Back in 1997, Microsoft could convince web publishers to use ActiveX
controls, which could only be run on Internet Explorer, because those
who warned of security flaws, extremely high security and virus risks
were ignored. They even provided working examples of how to do
everything from suck every file out of a computer, to completely
shredding a hard drive to the point where it can't even be
reformatted, were ignored. They were even slapped with court ordered
injunctions to cease and desist publishing this information, because
it "damaged the Microsoft Brand".

Since then, we have had Melissa, Nimda, ILoveYou, Jane's Resume, Sky,
Bagel, BugBear, and over 250 million viruses, including variants
designed to avoid detection by the antivirus and antispyware
applications (including Windows). Today, the estimate is that
viruses cause over $200 billion in damages, including lost
productivity, make-up overtime, and other secondary damages as well as
back-up, recovery, and re-image costs.

Ironically, many spyware publishers even paid Microsoft and it's
subsidiaries for the right to plant their viruses, worms, and trojans
(by buying certificates). In fact, Microsoft even considers blocking
or removing such spyware to be a violation of the Vista End User
License, and if detected, they can completely disable your computer.

And here is Microsoft, trying to foist yet another proprietary
replacement for a tried and trusted industry standard, Adobe Flash,
because Adobe Dared to port Flash to Linux.

We should all pay Adobe $10 each for Flash player, just as a thank you
for doing the port to Linux.

> | Novell Inc. is
> | developing a Linux version of Silverlight called "Moonlight."

I've heard that song before. Microsoft gives some 3rd party developer
a limited license to implement some subset of the package they are
trying to foist, so that those committed to multi-platform standards
will be placated long enough to force it into about 200 million
corporate PCs and consumer PCs, making their undocumented proprietary
software, with all it's back doors, a "de-facto standard".

Remember when Seimans was going to implement DCOM for UNIX? They
implemented enough of a subset to attempt to displace CORBA servers,
and when they tried to start implementing client software, Microsoft
revoked their license and took control of the UNIX version, where it
died a quick and painful death.

When IBM ported MQSeries to Linux, Microsoft announced MSMQ and
promised it as a new feature for Windows 2000 server. When WebSphere
was ported to Linux and was able to use forked processes to get better
and more reliable performance, Microsoft introduced MTS.

Of course, to use all of these new features you had to rewrite all of
the software you had originally written for NT 4.0, which meant you
were going to have to take a loss on the money you had spent on the NT
4.0 version.

And just about the time you thought it was safe to go into the water,
out came COM+, which meant you had to rewrite everything again.

And just about the time you released your COM+ applications, Microsoft
announced .NET, which meant you had to invest another boatload of cash
into developing or replacing your existing software.

And each time Microsoft introduces these wonderful new "Enhancements",
they came with a nice big fat hefty price tag. License costs went up,
MSDN subscription prices went up, support contract prices went up, and
yet, after you paid all that extra money, you ended up having to pay
subscription renewal fees for almost 5 years before you got the Vista
operating systems, and almost 5 years waiting for the Upgrade to
Windows 2003 server (Windows 2008 is due out "real soon now").

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

These days, many CIOs and CTOs are under much more scrutiny by the
CFO, the COO, and the CEO, as well as the business operations units,
to make sure that if the IT department forks over huge amounts of new
money to Microsoft, the layoffs will come from the IT budget.

> | Whether
> | Microsoft likes it or not, Linux is here to stay and is a growing force on
> | the desktop thanks to universal-audience distributions such as Ubuntu.

Yep. Let's face it. Linux is MUCH easier to get than it was in
1997. These days, you can use VMWare Converter to generate Virtual
Machine Image files of Windows, exactly as it was installed, store
that on a USB drive (even a thumb drive for XP), then install Linux,
install VMWare player, and then install that Windows VM from the thumb
drive.

The good news is that when you use Windows, you can take snapshots to
get regular backups. When you use Linux, you can install other
distributions as VMWare images.

Not quite ready to jump into Linux installation yet? VMWare will also
let you install VMWare player on Windows, and then download Linux VMs
via a high speed internet connection. These "appliances" can be use
"as is", or they can be used as the foundation for installing
additional software using distribution DVDs.

With laptops having 160 gigabyte hard drives, and Desktops having 300
gigabyte drives, and USB drives with 500 gigabytes costing around $100
each, these virtual desktops are becoming very attractive.

VMWare is being very aggressive in the marketplace, and many of those
who download VMWare player and try a few VM appliances find that they
like it so much that they are willing to pay for the VMWare
workstation package.

Of course, the VMware files can also be archived using tar or zip, and
stored on DVDs for longer term backups.

> | Popfly could help Silverlight garner new users quickly, but the platform
> | still has a long way to go.

These days, the whole industry is starting to say "Show us the spec".
One of the advantages of an OSS implementation, is that it proves that
the specification is complete. It also helps identify bugs in the
specifications, and get them clarified or corrected. When the OSS is
written by undergraduates writing small modules using ONLY the
specification, the availability of 20-30 implementations, all
different and all functionally correct, can pretty much guarantee that
the specification can be protected from software patents (since
similar implementations can be intuitively derived from the publicly
available information).

At the same time, the OSS implementation isn't the only possible
implementation. There can be numerous implementations of the
specification, but it's easy to validate the proprietary
implementations against the OSS implementation.

Even PDF and PostScript have OSS implementations, yet most people,
even Linux users, often prefer to use Adobe Acrobat Reader, because
it's well supported.

On the other hand, betting the farm on Microsoft is a sucker bet. If
you come up with a massively successful product, there is a very good
chance that just as you are about to start making some real profits,
Microsoft will only offer enough to get you out of debt, and if you
don't take the deal, they will buy some 3rd rate competitor and put
their product on Windows as "shovel-ware".

> | After all, Silverlight is a first-generation
> | platform, whereas Flash has had eight additional software generations to
> | achieve its market penetration.

This is the 21st century. Firefox has achieved 40% market
penetration, with absolutely no help from Microsoft or OEMs, and is
more successful than IE7, which has been pushed out by Microsoft as
Shovel-ware, and has to be actively blocked to prevent it from being
automatically installed.

These days, about 90% of the PC user population has access to high
speed internet, in some form. They may go to an "internet cafe", they
may go to Panera or StarBucks, or they may have a high speed Cable
Modem or DSL connection. There are even Cellular phones or modems
that let you access the internet at over 1 megabit per second. At 1
megabit per second, you can download a CD-ROM sized application (600
mb) in about an hour. WiFi is usually 10 megabit/second - which means
it takes less than 20 minutes.

And OSS can be passed from a downloaded copy stored on one computer to
dozens of computers using "thumb drives" plugged into the USB ports.
Many of these flash drives are now up to 4 gigabytes for less than
$70.

> http://reddevnews.com/news/devnews/article.aspx?editorialsid=930

> The "Microsoft Web". Microsoft calls shots and decide who enters and who is
> denied proper access.

This is not always a good thing. If you are turning away 200 million
FireFox users, there is a good chance that you are turning away
$millions, or $billions worth of customers. Can you really afford to
say "go away, take your money to one of my competitors" a few million
times a month? a week? how about a few thousand times a day, or an
hour? How about a few hundred times per second?

Corporations spend lots of money to develop sites which encourage all
visitors to come, look around, spend money, get support, and come back
and spend more money. Telling 40% of those customers to "take your
money elsewhere" really defeats that purpose.

Keep in mind that even though we don't see public statistics from
these huge corporations, they are keeping track of who logs in (most
big-money sites want you to register, at least get a user id and
password). They know what browser you were using, what operating
system you were using, and whether you spent 1 minute at the site and
were turned away, or spent an hour browsing the catalog and placed an
order.

And the companies that have these kinds of sites, and spend this kind
of money, hoping to make this kind of money, are very sensitive when
somebody comes in, follows a few links, and then suddenly gets
"bounced out" because he was running Linux, or because his browser
wasn't supported. This is even more of a problem if the pages he was
looking at were related to the possible purchase of a product worth
$500 or more, and 2,000 customer were driven away. It means that that
"Microsoft Only" web page just drove away up to $1 million in orders.

Think about it. The company is using Linux and OSS, which means they
may have more money that they are not spending on Microsoft, available
to spend on your products and/or services.

> Related:
>
> First Look: The Popfly Development Environment
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | However, the Silverlight platform -- and Popfly -- does have one flaw, which
> | is no Linux support. Even Adobe releases its current builds of the Flash
> | runtime to Linux users. Whether Microsoft likes it or not, Linux is here to
> | stay and is a growing force on the desktop thanks to universal-audience
> | distributions such as Ubuntu.

This is really important to look at. Linux users are generally a bit
more intelligent, which means they are likely to be in a higher income
bracket. They are likely to have more interests, and more likely to
be willing to look "off the beaten path".

If you are selling Miller Beer, Chevy SUVs, and K-mart to soccer moms,
it might be safe to turn away Linux users, but remember, Mom may be
using Linux to keep control of the family computer.

On the other hand, if you are selling fine wines, hybrid cars, and
botique retailers to a crowd that is looking for something "new and
different", they probably already have Linux, or a Mac. If you tell
these people "Microsoft Only", you are probably turning away some
really highly qualified customers.

Microsoft Windows appeals to the "good enough" crowd. It appeals to
he sheep who follow every little fad. It appeals to the people who
buy at Sears, Penny's and Macy's but usually wait for the clearance
sales and only buy from the clearance rack.

Linux splits into two camps. One group uses Linux because it's
cheap. They can get an old used Windows 95 or Windows NT 4.0
computer, load it up with Linux, and have most of the same features
that Windows XP and Vista users have to pay extra for. These people
are intelligent, they think things out, they are resourceful, and they
are on a tight budget because they are young, but they are more
interested in computers than basket-ball. These are the vunder-kids,
who by the time they are 15 understand the finer points of day
trading, options, and limit and stop-loss orders. These people grow
up and get academic scholarships, or just put themselves through
college using the money they have raised in their own businesses.

And when they buy a car, they are looking for value. They want
comfort, economy, and reliability, and are willing to pay a little
extra to get all three in one package. These people don't buy the
cheapest laptop, they order one via the web, with higher resolution
displays, larger 7200 RPM hard drives, and more RAM, using the money
they saved by not paying extra for Vista Ultimate, Office 2007, and
may even purchase an extra hard drive, so that they can put the
Windows drive on the slow one, and use the faster bigger one for
Linux. This way, if there are hardware problems, they can put back
the Windows drive and get service (though many vendors are now
offering hardware/replacement service without windows support for a
lower price).

These early Linux users may be working as consultants, running their
own businesses, or working as corporate managers, because they are
focused on how to provide the best service to a company or industry
that interests them, rather than just trying to get some one to "give
me a job" so that they can get some money. They are the people
companies want to hire, because they are focused on providing the best
value, service, and support to their employers or clients. They are
often vested in the success of their clients, and look at how to get
the best value and performance and reliability for those who are
paying the bills.

They are also pragmatic. They don't trash Windows completely, they
just relegate it to a minor role, since they can get so much more
value, performance, reliability, security, and satisfaction from using
Linux as their primary operating system.

They are guys like Bill Gates was in 1977, or Linus Torvalds in 1991,
or Jeff Bezos, or so many of the other people who took a great idea,
built it up from a shoestring, and generated a team who could create
huge value at very low costs.

> | Popfly is a shot in the arm for Silverlight for the purpose of gaining new
> | users quickly, but the platform still has a long way to go.

Popfly is Beta. It's a Microsoft product. Silverlight is a
proprietary, undocumented (no published standard), and unknown engine
that has been strategically NOT ported to other platforms. No Linux
version. No Mac version.

It's yet another attempt by Microsoft to seize a market and gain a
monopoly in a market established by a competitor, and force that
competitor out of the Windows market completely, by offering it's own
"shovel-ware" replacement bundled in Windows.

Keep in mind, Linux has had the same technologies used by Pixar, ILM,
and other big studios, along with military simulators, and all of that
isn't really promoted because it's considered a niche market.

On the other hand, Linux also has a great suite of collaberation tools
that Microsoft can't even touch. CVS, SubVersion, BugZilla, private
jabber and IRC servers, LDAP industry standard security, sync, and
dozens of other utilities to coordinate the efforts of workgroups of
anywhere from 10 to hundreds of people located all over the world,
that has been the Linux "stock-in-trade", and they do it very well.

The same technology Linux developers use to coordinate the development
and testing of over 6,000 packages using teams all over the world, can
also be used to organize huge corporations working on marketing,
manufacturing, shipping, and servicing products produced using
components produced all over the world.

Microsoft is trying to get corporations to buy systems that let users
watch DRM movies and listen to DRM music - instead of working. They
have done almost nothing to improve the productivity of users who use
Vista instead of XP. At the same time, their efforts to try and
"force" companies to upgrade to XP is pushing them to become more
interested in those Linux contingency plans. Microsoft isn't
deliberately sabotaging XP, but most of the type-A hyper-achievers are
chomping at the bit to support Vista, and don't really care much about
XP, leaving XP to the underachievers and the more laxe support staff.

If you have a company with 100,000 or more PCs, and you don't like
Vista, and XP problems have been increasing lately, purchasing 100,000
Macs isn't an option, but switching 50-60,000 of those PCs to Linux,
with XP as a secondary OS, may become a much more attractive option to
those who want more "bang for the buck".

And for the 40-50,000 PCs you don't convert to Linux, you can put
Linux "Appliances" on those computers, use OpenOffice, FireFox, and
encourage the users to start learning these OSS tools. You might even
want to consider commercial versions of ODF software such as Notes8,
and StarOffice.

> | After all,
> | Silverlight is a first-generation platform, whereas Flash has had eight
> | additional software generations to achieve its market penetration.

That won't stop Microsoft from bundling it as shovel-ware in Vista SP1
and XP SP3.

The only question is whether Microsoft will wait until Judge Kollar-
Kotelly decide not to extend the DOJ settlement another 5 years.

> http://campustechnology.com/articles/56377/

> Microsoft's Silverlight Promises to Disrupt Linux Web Users
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Just as it seemed that Linux users (especially 64-bit users) would
> | finally be able to enjoy streaming content with a minimum of
> | hassle,

Linux has had streaming content for years. UNIX was used for
streaming content for decades (telephone switching, cable TV
switching, satellite feed processing,...), even video conferencing -
all existed on UNIX back when Microsoft was trying to call TSRs
"Multitasking" in MS-DOS 4.0.

Pixar used Athena applications in the 1980s. ILM used SGI graphics.
Linux finally made headlines when Titanic came out, because there was
this huge array of Linux processors that allowed the studio to create
highly detailed animations that appeared to be real, in near-real
time. Windows did make an appearance in the movie, in the cheesy
animation shown to the old lady on the salvage boat.

> | Microsoft's new Silverlight software promises to throw a
> | wrench in the works.

Yet another Microsoft "revolution" where partners who invested
$billions in time and money on Microsoft platforms are rewarded with
anticompetitive shovel-ware designed to drive them into bankruptcy.

Netscape Communicator replaced with Internet Explorer (you lost the
HTML editor, the e-mail, the security, VRML, CORBA, and LDAP, but you
got a "Free" browser).

CORBA was replaced with ActiveX (and Melissa, ILoveYou, Nimda, and 250
million other viruses,worms, trojans, spyware, and other malware
variants).

Java was replaced with C# (oops, Microsoft changed their mind, sorry
about that).

Lotus 1-2-3 was replaced with Access.

WordPerfect was replaced with Word

DBase-IV was replaced with FoxPro - I mean Access - oops SQL Server.

Corel Draw was replaced with Paint - or Draw , oh yeah , I mean
Visio.

Symantic Antivirus, McAffee Antivirus, and Norton Antivirus was
replaced with Windows 95 antivirus, oh yea - I mean Vista Antivirus.

Don't worry, if you trash Adobe Flash right away for the free PopFly,
we'll give you a version that is almost as good, in the version of
Windows we release in 2012 (but we'll announce it as coming out in
2009 so you don't buy Linux instead).

And don't worry, by the time PopFly is as good as flash, the operating
system it is included with will need 16 Gigabytes of RAM, a 10
terabyte hard drive, a 16 way Intel processor that will still be
running 32 bit applications that pause for 20 seconds every 5 minutes,
and of course, will only cost $2,000, of which $1000 will be the
Microsoft Licenses, but the price will drop to $1200, $1000 of which
will be the Microsoft licenses, of course, for an extra $1000, you can
upgrade from "home" edition to "business" edition, and we'll even let
you plug it into a corporate network. But if you cheat, we will
revoke your license, disable your computer (down to the BIOS), and
charge you $2000 to purchase the licenses we think you should be
paying for.

> | Because of sites like Google Video and
> | Youtube, Flash video has become a common means of streaming
> | multimedia over the Internet.

Maybe Google knows something Microsoft doesn't want us to know. Maybe
they have been counting Linux users a bit more carefully than some of
these IP counters do. Maybe they are counting each individual, and
how many different operating systems each user is using to access
Google, Google groups, YouTube, and other user-identified Google
sites.

> http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1418.html

> Microsoft's 'Everywhere' excludes Linux
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | This browser add-on enables rendering of WPF content, but
> | "Everywhere" doesn't include Linux.

Which makes sense, since Microsoft has named Linux "enemy number
one". Microsoft might also know more than they want the public to
know.

Apple has limited production capacity. They can't even keep up with
demand.

Linux on the other hand, can be installed on about 70% of the PCs
produced in the last 10 years, about about 80% of the PCs produced in
the last 4 years. And Linux "appliances" using VMWare Player can be
installed on 100% of these PCs and give people a "taste" of Linux,
enough to help them decide that their next computer has to be able to
run Linux, which means it won't be running Vista Aero-Glass.

> http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7794/53/

Linonut

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* Rex Ballard fired off this tart reply:

> Remember when Seimans was going to implement DCOM for UNIX? They
> implemented enough of a subset to attempt to displace CORBA servers,
> and when they tried to start implementing client software, Microsoft
> revoked their license and took control of the UNIX version, where it
> died a quick and painful death.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1997/mar97/unixpr.mspx

ActiveX Core Technologies Moving to Leading UNIX Platforms
Distributed COM Enables Integration for Next-Generation Enterprise
Systems

BOSTON, March 5, 1997 -- At the Object World East industry
conference this week, Microsoft Corp. and Software AG announced that
Software AG's implementation of the Microsoft® ActiveX &#153;
distributed component software architecture is now available in beta
release for the Sun Solaris platform. Software AG said it plans to
begin beta testing with versions for the Digital UNIX and Linux
platforms later this month. All three versions are scheduled to be
released for general use in April.

Here's another Microsoft fad that went nowhere (or morphed into
something else):

http://csdl2.computer.org/persagen/DLAbsToc.jsp?resourcePath=/dl/mags/ic/&toc=comp/mags/ic/1998/02/w2toc.xml&DOI=10.1109/4236.670682

March/April 1998 (Vol. 2, No. 2) pp. 41-45
Distributed Application Development for Three-Tier Architectures:
Microsoft on Windows DNA

> When WebSphere
> was ported to Linux and was able to use forked processes to get better
> and more reliable performance, Microsoft introduced MTS.
>
> Of course, to use all of these new features you had to rewrite all of
> the software you had originally written for NT 4.0, which meant you
> were going to have to take a loss on the money you had spent on the NT
> 4.0 version.
>
> And just about the time you thought it was safe to go into the water,
> out came COM+, which meant you had to rewrite everything again.
>
> And just about the time you released your COM+ applications, Microsoft
> announced .NET, which meant you had to invest another boatload of cash
> into developing or replacing your existing software.
>
> And each time Microsoft introduces these wonderful new "Enhancements",
> they came with a nice big fat hefty price tag. License costs went up,
> MSDN subscription prices went up, support contract prices went up, and
> yet, after you paid all that extra money, you ended up having to pay
> subscription renewal fees for almost 5 years before you got the Vista
> operating systems, and almost 5 years waiting for the Upgrade to
> Windows 2003 server (Windows 2008 is due out "real soon now").
>
> Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Except they get fooled a baker's dozen of times.

Churn is an MS MO.

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____/ Mark Kent on Thursday 03 January 2008 18:21 : \____

> Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>> First Look: Popfly
>> Popfly for Silverlight: a beta glimpse.
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| Linux Left Out
>>|
>>| The animations are equal to those of Flash in terms of quality. However,
>>| Popfly does have one flaw, which is no Linux support. Novell Inc. is
>>| developing a Linux version of Silverlight called "Moonlight." Whether
>>| Microsoft likes it or not, Linux is here to stay and is a growing force on
>>| the desktop thanks to universal-audience distributions such as Ubuntu.
>>| Popfly could help Silverlight garner new users quickly, but the platform
>>| still has a long way to go. After all, Silverlight is a first-generation
>>| platform, whereas Flash has had eight additional software generations to
>>| achieve its market penetration.
>> `----
>>
>> http://reddevnews.com/news/devnews/article.aspx?editorialsid=930
>>
>> The the "Microsoft Web". Microsoft calls shots and decide who enters and who
>> is denied proper access.
>>
>
> Microsoft will merely become irrelevant in the mobility and appliance
> driven Web 3.0

It fight back though. It already 'bribes' Novell to give developers the
illusion that Silverlight is cross-platform.

At the end, Silverlight is doomed to fail (writers say so) because too many
people will complain about sites that use Microsoft XAML. It's another
attempted activeX generation, and just you wait until security issues strike
(running untrusted application from the Web right on your desktop, from
virtually any arbitrary site).

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Roy Schestowitz

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____/ Rex Ballard on Thursday 03 January 2008 23:18 : \____

> On Jan 3, 10:44 am, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com>
> wrote:
>> First Look: Popfly
>> Popfly for Silverlight: a beta glimpse.
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>> | Linux Left Out
>> | The animations are equal to those of Flash in terms of quality. However,
>> | Popfly does have one flaw, which is no Linux support.
>
> In an article in Redmond Developer, promoting Microsoft's proprietary
> platforms, touts Popfly as "way better than Flash" - but has to
> mention that there is no support for Silverlight (the engine used in
> the Popfly application).
>
> Back in 1997, Microsoft could convince web publishers to use ActiveX
> controls, which could only be run on Internet Explorer, because those
> who warned of security flaws, extremely high security and virus risks
> were ignored.   They even provided working examples of how to do
> everything from suck every file out of a computer, to completely
> shredding a hard drive to the point where it can't even be
> reformatted, were ignored.  They were even slapped with court ordered
> injunctions to cease and desist publishing this information, because
> it "damaged the Microsoft Brand".

I think you may wish to see fragments of this letter to the DoJ:


_________________________________________________________________


[...]

I am submitting to you this document in accordance with the
U.S. District Court's request for public commentary in the matter of
the proposed settlement in U.S. v. Microsoft, Civil Action
No. 98-1232, and New York v. Microsoft, Civil Action No. 98-1233.

I am currently a computer book author and private computing
consultant, and until very recently, was employed with CMP Media,
Inc. as a Senior Editor for the Planet IT Web site--one of the recent
victims of the "dot-com fallout." I have been a published author,
editor, and correspondent in the field of computing for over 17 years,
several of those years having been spent as one of Computer Shopper
magazine's original contributors. Under the pseudonym "D. F. Scott," I
am the author of 13 books, nine of which are on the subject of
Microsoft Visual Basic, one of that company's most prominent
programming languages. I am currently working on my fourteenth title,
on the subject of the Microsoft Access 2002 database. As an author,
programmer, and private consultant, I am intimately familiar with
Microsoft's products, applications architecture, and corporate
history. I have developed software using Microsoft products for 23
years.

I know Microsoft, and I know my industry. I thoroughly comprehend how
Microsoft's products, agendas, and conduct have shaped and defined
computing as we know it today. I have friends and colleagues who work
at Microsoft, and I have others who work with its current partners,
its former partners, and its direct competitors. Having read Judge
Thomas Penfield Jackson's Findings of Fact in the civil matter as
rendered 5 November 1999, and having shared my opinions at length with
others directly affected by those Findings since that time, I can
state without hesitation that there is nothing in those Findings to
which I take exception, or about which I personally can find any
reason to disagree. I call your attention to the fact that these
Findings of Fact were given deference by the Court of Appeals, despite
that certain elements were called into question, and despite the
disqualification of the judge. The Appeals Court's thorough study of
the Findings of Fact, as well as the other evidence in the case before
the District Court, uphold a quintessential truth whose importance
transcends any scrutiny of judicial misconduct: Microsoft's conduct as
a corporation and a manufacturer of computing products, is predicated
upon an internal policy of deception, which includes deceiving
customers, deceiving competitors, deceiving partners, deceiving its
own vendors, and at some level, deceiving its own staff.

[....]

The part of this story that Judge Jackson didn't touch on, and that
was not introduced as evidence, concerns Microsoft's efforts during
1996-1999 to promote a cloudy but potentially promising future system
called ActiveX as an alternative to Java for developers, and an
alternative to Netscape for Windows users. Just exactly what ActiveX
was, is, or was supposed to be, isn't entirely clear. I understand
this fact better than most people alive. In 1996 and `97, I wrote a
book on ActiveX technology for developers, with the full cooperation
of a major worldwide publisher. For the better part of two years, I
wrote seven complete drafts of this book, overhauling the content each
time in order to keep up with Microsoft's mind-boggling changes in its
definition of the product/concept/marketing scheme.

In an early document for developers such as myself, dated 18 June
1996, Microsoft defined ActiveX in this way: ActiveX is a set of open
technologies that bring the power of the personal computer to the
ubiquitous connectivity of the Internet. ActiveX takes the Internet
beyond static text and picture documents to provide users with a new
generation of more active, exciting, and useful experiences. For
intranet developers (intranets are private Web sites published on
internal, corporate networks), ActiveX provides core functionality for
building robust enterprise-wide applications that offer enhanced
functionality and productivity beyond basic HTML document sharing.

So in June, at least, ActiveX was a multimedia standard for Web
sites. The very next month, Microsoft announced it was turning over
stewardship of ActiveX to an independent body. In its press release,
Microsoft quoted an independent industry analyst as stating the
following: COM and DCOM - the foundation for ActiveX - constitute the
most widely used object framework, but as technologies owned and
controlled exclusively by Microsoft, they were not vendor-independent
solutions. In the hands of a neutral standards body, ActiveX can
become a vendor-independent solution, enabling interoperability while
allowing both developers and customers to take full advantage of their
existing investments in OLE and DCOM technologies.

"COM and DCOM" are, respectively, the Component Object Model and the
Distributed Component Object Model. These are legitimate architectures
which, in my view, represent some of the best ideas Microsoft has ever
put forward. COM enabled source code from diverse and varied
applications and program components to address one another
dynamically, using a common framework and an amendable object
language. This way, old programs could conceivably determine the
capabilities of newer programs when they shared the same system, under
a multitasking framework such as Windows 95. DCOM extended these
principles to program components over a network, so server-based
components could communicate with client-based components and provide
them with requested resources. These were delicately intricate
systems, but they were constructed with the best of intentions, and
their creators deserve respect.

But it was apparently never the intention of Microsoft's executives to
exploit the full potential of COM and DCOM. Instead, they deployed
ActiveX as a marketing tool to befuddle the market as to Microsoft's
intentions, and to repeat the company's successful strategy against
DRI and Novell, this time to kick Netscape and Sun Microsystems into
the death spiral.

Developers such as myself were given a myriad of mixed and often
self-contradictory messages. In the summer of 1996, we were told that
ActiveX was a system that would be deployed on Microsoft's Internet
Explorer Web browser, to enable online applications from Windows
servers to utilize controls--buttons, menus, lists, and common "user
interface" elements--whose programs were deployed on the client side,
thus freeing bandwidth and relieving much of the burden on the
server. This was--and still is--a good idea. We were told that ActiveX
controls would make use of a Windows feature called Object Linking and
Embedding (OLE, pronounced "olay") to enable their code to be called
up on the server side by container programs on the client side--again,
a good idea. This utilization of resources would free the controls
programs from the constraints of the client-side architecture called
Microsoft Foundation Classes (MFC)--the architecture upon which
Microsoft's Office applications are based. (Microsoft's developers are
indeed capable of creating good ideas, and executing good plans based
on them.)  In the fall of 1996, the FUD began. Microsoft offered
developers a free, limited edition of its Visual Basic development
environment, geared exclusively toward the creation of ActiveX
controls. These controls, we were told, leveraged the power of MFC to
make them more fully integrated with Windows. This went against the
company's original design strategy, for reasons we couldn't yet
fathom.

While the newly-formed "ActiveX Working Group," assigned stewardship
of the ActiveX standard, did establish a Web site for a brief period,
the group only held a few token meetings, and even then with a subset
of its membership. Many members listed on the Web site were surprised
to find they were members at all. As soon as January of 1997, the
Working Group had become a non-entity.

Later that same month, Microsoft announced its intention to deploy a
network communications system then called Microsoft Transaction Server
(MTS), and to market that system under the ActiveX collective
umbrella. MTS would be the hub of a system that processed DCOM
transactions over networks and over the Internet, between Microsoft
servers and client systems that were running ActiveX controls. What
confused us at first was the fact that DCOM was not OLE, so the
ActiveX controls we had now appeared not to be the ActiveX controls we
were supposed to build for later. Furthermore, the new controls--to be
created using that free edition of Visual Basic--could only operate
within the confines of a single, designated container program--which,
not coincidentally, was part of Internet Explorer 3.0. So it appeared
that the capability of Netscape Navigator to be adaptable, through a
third-party product, to display and use ActiveX controls, was due for
extinction.

By the spring of 1997, Microsoft had announced the replacement of its
core database transaction protocol with something called ActiveX Data
Objects (ADO). This protocol would be used by Microsoft Office
applications, and would be licensed for free to developers making
their own programs for data transactions. For ADO to be deployed in a
network environment, it appeared, the server would need to run MTS. So
if everyday applications wanted to take advantage of Web deployment
capabilities, Netscape was appearing to be less and less of an
option. ADO objects were not controls--what's more, they weren't COM
objects or DCOM objects either. So the umbrella seemed to be reaching
further. Almost every Windows protocol had something to do with
ActiveX--and thus, by association, something to do with future
deployment over the Internet.

[...]

This fuzziness extends to the present moment. As I write, the entire
ActiveX marketing scenario is in the final stages of being disbanded,
in favor of a program architecture that replaces it entirely: the .NET
(pronounced "dot-net") architecture. The basic principle of .NET is
that Windows may be enhanced to include a just-in-time compiler (JIT)
whose job is to execute programs in the Windows environment. The role
of the JIT is analogous to that of the Java Virtual Machine (JVM),
although Microsoft's implementation will have no cross-platform
capabilities. Conceivably, as developers are compelled to switch their
program architectures from the now-obsolete COM to the new .NET, the
architectural model of the Windows application may be redrawn in such
a way that "apps" become satellites of a sort--small, shared
components designed to interoperate and, in so doing, produce a
collective, de facto application on behalf of the user. In such an
architectural model, middleware by one definition would not exist. The
reason is because the functionality of a collective .NET application
would not have to be "exposed" like the opening of a telephone
directory--and as the PFJ expects--but is instead derived as a result
of an independent assessment by Windows of the collective capabilities
of the .NET component programs. Imagine telephones that could
publicize their own phone numbers, and you get a glimpse of the idea.

[...]

"Get me into that," Bill Gates is quoted as saying, "and goddam, we'll
make so much money!" The free flow of transportation was engineered by
geniuses--Henry Ford, John A. Roebling, Norman Bel Geddes--and
championed by presidents--Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight
Eisenhower. The free flow of ideas is one of the basic principles
upheld by the United States Constitution. Up to now, all successful
freedom has been constructed and established on solid principles. Are
we truly prepared to draw up a statement that speaks for all of us as
a people and a nation, that serves as a catalyst for the surrender of
the free flow of information not to an institution defined by
principles, but a corporation defined by deception?

We are a smarter people than that. We know, for a fact, that all
information, all knowledge, all wisdom is truly free, and that all
people are entitled to fair and equal access. This principle will be
demonstrated, clearly and unequivocally, either in the relative peace
of today or in the turmoil of the future. You may spare the people a
great ordeal now, against a powerful yet unprincipled force, by
putting a stop to the death spiral. The way you do this is the way you
deal with a wayward adolescent: Stop making deals. Take away its
power. Spell out the law. And don't get kicked in yourself.

Yours sincerely,
Scott M. Fulton, III
Senior Partner, Ingenus

--
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Mark Kent

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Jan 4, 2008, 3:40:44 AM1/4/08
to
Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:

If Microsoft were serious about remaining in the software business,
they'd be adopting a new codebase about now. The Windows codebase is so
broken that there's no way it can manage another generation. Vista, the
product of several years (about 7) of development is a major disaster,
and unlike the case of WinME, there is no "NT" in the background waiting
to take up the reins, and no alternative development team backing it
either.

We're watching the death of a behemoth - it will take a long time, it
will remain dangerous for years, but in the end, it will not survive in
its current form, no matter how many Novell vouchers, ISO corruption
actions, BBC bribes or anything else Microsoft might manage in its long,
slow, ride to oblivion.

Roy Schestowitz

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Jan 4, 2008, 4:22:32 AM1/4/08
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____/ Mark Kent on Friday 04 January 2008 08:40 : \____

Have you seen this new bit yet? (found it hours ago)

Windows Explorer in Opensuse Installer

,----[ Quote ]
| Seems Novell and Microsoft are working VERY closely together.
| Look at the explorer window in Opensuse' installation. Doesn't it look
| familiar?
`----

http://paulsdigitalworld.blogspot.com/2008/01/windows-explorer-in-opensuse.html

I don't know if it's fake (I've asked) and I don't really believe in
the "Microsoft Linux" theory (although it's presented for the possibilities of
it).

> We're watching the death of a behemoth - it will take a long time, it
> will remain dangerous for years, but in the end, it will not survive in
> its current form, no matter how many Novell vouchers, ISO corruption
> actions, BBC bribes or anything else Microsoft might manage in its long,
> slow, ride to oblivion.

That sounds just about right. I gave the BBC another piece of people's mind in
a new comment. They can run, but they can't hide (just as [H]omer would say).
They left too many fingerprints.

You forgot to mention Microsoft briberies in Nigeria by the way. That's recent.
There are also the closure of Microsoft for corruption and inside-trading at a
large scale.

Microsoft calls all of this business, but the business of a criminal
organisation is crime nonetheless, not business in the proper sense.

--
~~ Best of wishes

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Mark Kent

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to

I'm sure that there'll be some people working in Microsoft who can
clearly see what needs to be done, but large corporate politics is such
that it's unlikely that they'll succeed. This could be some of their
efforts shining through, though.


>
>> We're watching the death of a behemoth - it will take a long time, it
>> will remain dangerous for years, but in the end, it will not survive in
>> its current form, no matter how many Novell vouchers, ISO corruption
>> actions, BBC bribes or anything else Microsoft might manage in its long,
>> slow, ride to oblivion.
>
> That sounds just about right. I gave the BBC another piece of people's mind in
> a new comment. They can run, but they can't hide (just as [H]omer would say).
> They left too many fingerprints.

I've also added a remark to the BBC remark myself...

>
> You forgot to mention Microsoft briberies in Nigeria by the way. That's recent.
> There are also the closure of Microsoft for corruption and inside-trading at a
> large scale.
>
> Microsoft calls all of this business, but the business of a criminal
> organisation is crime nonetheless, not business in the proper sense.
>

Unfortunately, their corporate culture doesn't seem to think that
working within the rules is worth the risk. They might lose...

Linonut

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Jan 4, 2008, 7:48:19 AM1/4/08
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* Roy Schestowitz fired off this tart reply:

> ____/ Rex Ballard on Thursday 03 January 2008 23:18 : \____
>

>> Back in 1997, Microsoft could convince web publishers to use ActiveX
>> controls, which could only be run on Internet Explorer, because those
>> who warned of security flaws, extremely high security and virus risks
>> were ignored.   They even provided working examples of how to do
>> everything from suck every file out of a computer, to completely
>> shredding a hard drive to the point where it can't even be
>> reformatted, were ignored.  They were even slapped with court ordered
>> injunctions to cease and desist publishing this information, because
>> it "damaged the Microsoft Brand".
>
> I think you may wish to see fragments of this letter to the DoJ:
> _________________________________________________________________
>
>
> [...]
>

> I know Microsoft, and I know my industry. I thoroughly comprehend how
> Microsoft's products, agendas, and conduct have shaped and defined
> computing as we know it today. I have friends and colleagues who work
> at Microsoft, and I have others who work with its current partners,
> its former partners, and its direct competitors. Having read Judge
> Thomas Penfield Jackson's Findings of Fact in the civil matter as
> rendered 5 November 1999, and having shared my opinions at length with
> others directly affected by those Findings since that time, I can
> state without hesitation that there is nothing in those Findings to
> which I take exception, or about which I personally can find any

> reason to disagree. . . .


> the Findings of Fact, as well as the other evidence in the case before
> the District Court, uphold a quintessential truth whose importance
> transcends any scrutiny of judicial misconduct: Microsoft's conduct as
> a corporation and a manufacturer of computing products, is predicated
> upon an internal policy of deception, which includes deceiving
> customers, deceiving competitors, deceiving partners, deceiving its
> own vendors, and at some level, deceiving its own staff.

That guy is obviously biased! I can just see DFS stepping in with his
reality-denial, and amiscum claiming that it is all sour grapes.

Linonut

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Jan 4, 2008, 7:52:32 AM1/4/08
to
* Mark Kent fired off this tart reply:

> We're watching the death of a behemoth - it will take a long time, it
> will remain dangerous for years, but in the end, it will not survive in
> its current form, no matter how many Novell vouchers, ISO corruption
> actions, BBC bribes or anything else Microsoft might manage in its long,
> slow, ride to oblivion.

It is inevitable, at least on the OS side. The Office stuff will go
forward for many years longer, and Microsoft is shape-shifting into
other areas, and attempting to extend its hold on business with
Sharepoint.

Saw a Comcast Business ad on the telly. Prominently featured was
"Microsoft Communications Services". And, who knows, maybe we'll all be
watching teevee on a Microsoft TCP/IP network someday.

Roy Schestowitz

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____/ Linonut on Friday 04 January 2008 12:48 : \____

He writes many articles (even today). He is absolutely shocked to see the
behaviour of the company on which he has relied on for decades (and made money
thanks to its frameworks, which he wrote books about). Do you want me to post
the message in full? it's quite long. See the text in msg-id:

<3519292.i...@schestowitz.com> (it's not public material, I think)

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Jan 4, 2008, 9:02:13 AM1/4/08
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Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> espoused:

> * Mark Kent fired off this tart reply:
>
>> We're watching the death of a behemoth - it will take a long time, it
>> will remain dangerous for years, but in the end, it will not survive in
>> its current form, no matter how many Novell vouchers, ISO corruption
>> actions, BBC bribes or anything else Microsoft might manage in its long,
>> slow, ride to oblivion.
>
> It is inevitable, at least on the OS side. The Office stuff will go
> forward for many years longer, and Microsoft is shape-shifting into
> other areas, and attempting to extend its hold on business with
> Sharepoint.
>
> Saw a Comcast Business ad on the telly. Prominently featured was
> "Microsoft Communications Services". And, who knows, maybe we'll all be
> watching teevee on a Microsoft TCP/IP network someday.
>

Maybe, but their track record in that area has been very poor. For a
godo open-source VOD system, take a look at Iliad in France, they're
doing everything Microsoft is, but using open-source capabilities, so
they have no licence-fees to pay and its more reliable and secure. They
will take out any company who's paying Microsoft or anyone else a
licence to do the same thing.

Linonut

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Jan 4, 2008, 11:21:53 AM1/4/08
to
* Roy Schestowitz fired off this tart reply:

>> That guy is obviously biased! I can just see DFS stepping in with his


>> reality-denial, and amiscum claiming that it is all sour grapes.
>
> He writes many articles (even today). He is absolutely shocked to see the
> behaviour of the company on which he has relied on for decades (and made money
> thanks to its frameworks, which he wrote books about). Do you want me to post
> the message in full? it's quite long. See the text in msg-id:
>
> <3519292.i...@schestowitz.com> (it's not public material, I think)

3519292.i...@schestowitz.com not available

Linonut

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Jan 4, 2008, 11:31:18 AM1/4/08
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* Mark Kent fired off this tart reply:

> Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> espoused:


>> Saw a Comcast Business ad on the telly. Prominently featured was
>> "Microsoft Communications Services". And, who knows, maybe we'll all be
>> watching teevee on a Microsoft TCP/IP network someday.
>
> Maybe, but their track record in that area has been very poor. For a
> godo open-source VOD system, take a look at Iliad in France, they're
> doing everything Microsoft is, but using open-source capabilities, so
> they have no licence-fees to pay and its more reliable and secure. They
> will take out any company who's paying Microsoft or anyone else a
> licence to do the same thing.

Maybe. However, I read about a year ago in IEEE Computing that
Microsoft's efforts in that area were improving rapidly (after the usual
foot-in-the-doorstep crap they first deployed).

And recently Bill Gates boasted of MS's IPTV efforts.

Personally, no matter who's doing it, I'd prefer to see my data-access
network separate from my teevee network.

Roy Schestowitz

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Jan 4, 2008, 11:58:22 AM1/4/08
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____/ Linonut on Friday 04 January 2008 16:21 : \____

> * Roy Schestowitz fired off this tart reply:
>
>>> That guy is obviously biased! I can just see DFS stepping in with his
>>> reality-denial, and amiscum claiming that it is all sour grapes.
>>
>> He writes many articles (even today). He is absolutely shocked to see the
>> behaviour of the company on which he has relied on for decades (and made
>> money
>> thanks to its frameworks, which he wrote books about). Do you want me to
>> post the message in full? it's quite long. See the text in msg-id:
>>
>> <3519292.i...@schestowitz.com> (it's not public material, I think)
>
> 3519292.i...@schestowitz.com not available

[...]

I am submitting to you this document in accordance with the
U.S. District Court's request for public commentary in the matter of
the proposed settlement in U.S. v. Microsoft, Civil Action
No. 98-1232, and New York v. Microsoft, Civil Action No. 98-1233.

I am currently a computer book author and private computing
consultant, and until very recently, was employed with CMP Media,
Inc. as a Senior Editor for the Planet IT Web site--one of the recent
victims of the "dot-com fallout." I have been a published author,
editor, and correspondent in the field of computing for over 17 years,
several of those years having been spent as one of Computer Shopper
magazine's original contributors. Under the pseudonym "D. F. Scott," I
am the author of 13 books, nine of which are on the subject of
Microsoft Visual Basic, one of that company's most prominent
programming languages. I am currently working on my fourteenth title,
on the subject of the Microsoft Access 2002 database. As an author,
programmer, and private consultant, I am intimately familiar with
Microsoft's products, applications architecture, and corporate
history. I have developed software using Microsoft products for 23
years.

I know Microsoft, and I know my industry. I thoroughly comprehend how


Microsoft's products, agendas, and conduct have shaped and defined
computing as we know it today. I have friends and colleagues who work
at Microsoft, and I have others who work with its current partners,
its former partners, and its direct competitors. Having read Judge
Thomas Penfield Jackson's Findings of Fact in the civil matter as
rendered 5 November 1999, and having shared my opinions at length with
others directly affected by those Findings since that time, I can
state without hesitation that there is nothing in those Findings to
which I take exception, or about which I personally can find any

reason to disagree. I call your attention to the fact that these
Findings of Fact were given deference by the Court of Appeals, despite
that certain elements were called into question, and despite the
disqualification of the judge. The Appeals Court's thorough study of

the Findings of Fact, as well as the other evidence in the case before
the District Court, uphold a quintessential truth whose importance
transcends any scrutiny of judicial misconduct: Microsoft's conduct as
a corporation and a manufacturer of computing products, is predicated
upon an internal policy of deception, which includes deceiving
customers, deceiving competitors, deceiving partners, deceiving its
own vendors, and at some level, deceiving its own staff.

Although the Appeals Court--with reluctance--deferred to Judge
Jackson's Findings of Fact, it appears to me that the settlement
currently proposed by Microsoft and the Justice Dept. has ignored the
basic tenets of those Findings. This proposed settlement does not
specify the actions of a company that has violated the Sherman
Antitrust Act--a fact which has been upheld by the Appeals
Court. Instead, it is a document with ample evidence of being scripted
by a company entangled in its own self-importance and intoxicated by a
fundamental belief in its own immunity, and having been agreed to by a
plaintiff that no longer represents the cause of fairness in free
enterprise originally championed by Joel Klein and Janet Reno.

That Microsoft Corp. has monopoly power in key markets is not in
dispute. To hold monopoly power in this country is not illegal, and in
certain conceivable circumstances, it may even be justified. Microsoft
achieved its monopoly power through means which stand the test of
legitimacy under the closest scrutiny. Throughout its history, the
company has shrewdly and wisely taken advantage of imminent and
remarkable opportunities. Its initial agreement in 1981 with IBM,
allowing it to produce compatible operating systems for non-IBM
computers, actually created an industry where there had not been one
before, and which actually might never have been. That competitors,
including IBM, have been unable to produce viable alternatives to
MS-DOS or Microsoft Windows, can indeed be attributed to failures in
foresight, design, and marketing solely on the part of those
competitors. Generally, the prominence of Microsoft Corp. can be
credited to its own legitimate successes, and to its competitors'
legitimate shortcomings, wild notions, and simply wrong ideas.

But once Microsoft attained its lofty position, the measures it took
to fortify, protect, and defend that position were clearly immoral,
unethical, and as the Court of Appeals has upheld, illegal. The
antitrust case against Microsoft has been mainly about deception as a
means not of attaining prominence, but of ensuring it. Any remedy
imposed upon Microsoft, or settled upon by Microsoft and the Justice
Dept., must acknowledge this deception, must take steps to completely
disable and render defunct Microsoft's means of deception in the
future, and must in some measure compensate those who were harmed--if
not monetarily, then through good faith measures that go beyond the
requirements of an ordinary company to do respectable and competitive
business in its chosen industry. As it stands now, the proposed
settlement may actually be used as a tool to extend and sustain the
sheath of deception Microsoft has sewn, to further its own interests,
and to continue the basic falsehood that the state of the computing
industry now is as it should be.

ENTER THE DUNGEON

Once it became a monopoly as early as 1988, Microsoft's executives
almost immediately adopted a Watergate-style cloak-and-dagger approach
to its internal corporate and even personal conduct, to the extent
that some executives were privately relishing in the opportunity for
them to emulate Nixon's "plumbers," or characters from "The
Godfather," or anti-heroes from comic books, or even leaders of the
Third Reich. The company's chief executives not only tolerated but
helped foster this new approach, like "dungeon masters" in a
role-playing game encouraging nastier self-characterizations by
players who deemed themselves "evil." Before the company had actually
violated the law, Microsoft's executives were adopting other-worldly
roles, imagining themselves as saviors of the world but rebels against
the establishment, immunized from the laws that apply to mere
mortals. It was this immersion in this surrealistic fantasy vision
that empowered Microsoft not only to commit its undisputed violations
of antitrust law, but also to defend its conduct to this very day as
somehow fair, honest, innovative, and pro-competitive.

In 1994, Newsweek correspondent Michael Meyer sat in on a meeting of
Microsoft's key executives, including then-CEO Bill Gates, and product
managers who were discussing--while fully aware of Meyer's
presence--the lackluster performance of their personal accounting
software, called Microsoft Money, against a competitor, Intuit's
Quicken. (Later, Microsoft and Intuit announced a merger, which even
later fell apart.) In his 11 July 1994 article entitled, "Culture
Club," Meyer recounted his experiences in the boardroom: Then comes a
strange moment, the sort of thing that happens often at Microsoft,
which seemingly within moments turns disaster into salvation. Talk has
turned to broader trends in banking. Where's it going, what's in it
for us. Banks are dinosaurs, says Gates. We can "bypass" them. [The
Money product manager] is unhappy with an alliance involving a big
bank-card company. "Too slow." Instead he proposes a deal with a
small--and more easily controllable--check-clearing outfit. "Why don't
we buy them?" Gates asks, thinking bigger. It occurs to him that
people banking from home will cut checks using Microsoft's
software. Microsoft can then push all those transactions through its
new affiliate, taking a fee on every one. Abruptly, Gates sheds his
disappointment with Money. He's caught up in a vision of "the
transformation of the world financial system." It's a "pot of gold,"
he declares, pounding the conference table with his fists, triumphant
and hungry and wired. "Get me into that and goddam, we'll make so much
money!"  Here is Microsoft in action. In just three hours, it laid
plans to buy at least two companies, ditched an alliance with a major
financial institution, opted for another and made major moves into
"two incredible new worlds," as Gates put it--home banking and sports
entertainment. Another company might take months to accomplish as
much.

It is important to note here that, seven years later, none of this
"pot of gold" thinking actually led anywhere--not for Microsoft Money,
not for Microsoft Corp., and not for the world financial
system. Nothing took place that day, or any day since, on this
particular subject that offended anyone's rights or broke any
laws. Nor was Microsoft Money as a software product the least bit
improved. Meyer was astonished by Microsoft's "accomplishment," but
today, little evidence of it remains outside of this article.

What did happen that day in 1994 is an example of how Microsoft
approaches its everyday business: not by applying itself to the truths
and principles and operating parameters of its chosen industry, and
not by solving the arguably solvable problems put before it, but
instead by concocting a fantasy world where Microsoft is the world's
great benefactor, the great multitude is the recipient of its mercy
and grace, and all other entities in the computing industry are
either--to borrow a recently reborn phrase--"with us or against us."
This is a world where media entities such as Newsweek, and
professional observers such as myself, should stand in awe of that
company's "accomplishments," as if its role-playing conquests held
tangible value in any currency in which common people trade.

How MICROSOFT LOST THE MORAL HIGH GROUND

In another civil matter separate from the suit brought forth by the
Justice Dept., the Canadian software producer Caldera took action
against Microsoft in U.S. District Court in Utah, on behalf of a
product it had acquired from Novell Corp.--a competitive operating
system called DR-DOS. (This civil action was later settled, and the
specific terms of that settlement were undisclosed.) As revealed by
evidence subpoenaed by Caldera and presented in its Consolidated
Statement of Facts, Microsoft's executives openly conspired to develop
MS-DOS in such a way that compliance with its principles would mean,
by definition, incompatibility with DR-DOS. Later, these same
executives came up with the idea of tying MS-DOS together with
Windows--the first instance of "tying" in the company's history--in
such a way that DR-DOS users would be artificially prohibited from
running Windows 3.1. In fact, as the evidence in Caldera v. Microsoft
indicates, Microsoft's idea of tying MS-DOS to Windows derived from
its efforts to thwart the development of DR-DOS, and may have been
created for that specific purpose alone and no other.

The Consolidated Statement in the Caldera case uses subpoenaed
internal documents and e-mails from Microsoft executives to draw a
picture of a company whose central, overriding, and only interest from
1990 to 1995 was not to produce a viable operating system for
consumers, but to prevent Digital Research, and then Novell, and then
Caldera from doing so. (Granted, IBM's OS/2 was also a Windows
competitor during this time, although the Caldera Statement makes
little mention of that system.) According to the Statement, in the
summer of 1990, Microsoft's OEM sales force was directed to only use
per-processor terms in licensing agreements with both small and large
PC manufacturers, in order to prevent, as one account manager put it,
"losing them to DR." Per-processor licensing practices was the subject
of one of the Justice Dept.'s first civil actions against Microsoft,
and was a matter of contention throughout the current civil case. Such
exclusionary licenses made it cost-prohibitive for manufacturers to
offer DR-DOS, or any other alternative operating system, to their
customers while at the same time maintaining their critical link to
Microsoft. As Microsoft's company memoranda--excerpted in the Caldera
Statement--indicate, the company was fully aware of that fact. For
instance, there is this note of congratulations: Congratulations are
in order for John "DRI Killer" McLaughlan (No, he isn't having another
baby) who signed a $2.5M agreement with Acbel (Sun Moon Star). The
agreement licenses DOS 5 per processor on a worldwide basis for 3
years (they will be replacing DRI DOS which they currently ship
outside the US).

In July 1991, Novell announced its merger with DR-DOS producer Digital
Research, in order to build a stronger, more complete operating system
product line that could compete on the same level as Microsoft, and
that could be licensed to IBM, which had already identified itself as
an interested party.

In a memorandum to fellow executives dated March 1992, Microsoft Vice
President (now Senior Vice President) Jim Allchin spelled out his
perception of the threat imposed by Novell: I still don't think we
take them as serious as is required of us to win. This isn't
IBM. These guys are really good; they have an installed base; they
have a channel; they have marketing power; they have good
products. AND they want our position. They want to control the APIs,
middleware, and as many desktops as they can in addition to the server
market they already own.

We need to start thinking about Novell as THE competitor to fight
against -- not in one area of our business, but all of them.

If you want to get serious about stopping Novell, we need to start
understanding this is war -- nothing less. That's how Novell views
it. We better wake up and get serious about them or they will
eventually find a way to hurt us badly.

Allchin's concept of "war" sparked then-Windows Product Manager Brad
Silverberg to advocate developing Windows 3.1 intentionally so that it
gave DR-DOS users the impression that it could not run on that
platform. The Caldera Statement provides this e-mail exchange between
Silverberg and his deputy (now Senior Vice President), David Cole:
Cole: A kind-gentle message in setup would probably not offend anyone
and probably won't get the press up in arms, but I don't think it
serves much of a warning [...] What is the guy supposed to do?

Silverberg: what the guy is supposed to do is feel uncomfortable, and
when he has bugs, suspect that the problem is dr-dos and then go out
to buy ms-dos, or decide to not take the risk for the other machines
he has to buy for in the office.

With company policy having been determined that the Windows user
should be made to feel uncomfortable with the notion of using a
non-Microsoft product, work began on how to intentionally develop the
beta code of Windows 3.1 so that parts of it fail to execute on a
DR-DOS platform. In an e-mail discussion excerpted in the Caldera
statement, a developer of Windows 3.1 told his development manager,
Phil Barrett, of an incompatibility he discovered between a disk cache
utility for 3.1, code-named "Bambi," and DR-DOS. The developer reports
that he has created a build of the utility that solves this
problem. Nevertheless, Barrett suggests in his response that this fix
never see the light of day: heh, heh, heh ...

my proposal is to have bambi refuse to run on this alien OS. comments?

The approach we will take is to detect dr 6 and refuse to load. The
error message should be something like `Invalid device driver
interface.'  The actual error message in Windows 3.1 Setup would read,
"The XMS driver you have installed is not compatible with Windows. You
must remove it before SETUP can successfully install Windows."
Whether on direct instruction to do so or working on his own
initiative, a Microsoft programmer made contact with Andrew Dyson, a
technical support analyst at DRI, and in so doing identified himself
as "Roger Sour, Director of Windows Development, Microsoft."
Explaining that he was trying to solve an incompatibility problem with
the "memory control blocks," this Microsoft developer requested
information from Dyson on whether DRI has written Windows code to
detect whether a program is running under a DR-DOS or MS-DOS
platform. In the interest of fair play, Dyson submitted this
information; but later, a DRI official wrote "Roger Sour" (whether or
not he knew Sour existed is beside the point) to tell him that DRI was
aware of Microsoft's plan to make Windows 3.1 fail on DR-DOS. The
letter stated, "Usually, when a software manufacturer feels that
something in our operating system is preventing their application from
running well, that company works with us to resolve the actual,
perceived, or potential conflicts."  In a letter dated 1 November
1991, Phil Barrett responded to the DRI official that there no "Roger
Sour" at Microsoft, and added, "Perhaps you may have been the victim
of a prank." This "prank" was reported to the Federal Trade
Commission, which contacted Microsoft later that week. News of the FTC
contact prompted David Cole to write the following in an executive
memo: The bothersome part is where the hell is DRI getting their
information. Are they just speculating? Seems like a pretty risky
thing to do with the FTC? Did they interpret "Roger Sour" thing
broadly and conclude we are doing it for Windows?

What bothered Microsoft more than the possible appearance of
impropriety was the possibility of a mole within the company. For the
next year and a half, Microsoft would deal with DRI, Novell (which
acquired DRI), and the FTC as a single monkey on its back--the
collective entity preventing Microsoft from smoothly integrating
itself into the corporate computer network. Beginning in 1992,
Microsoft would develop the entire Windows platform into "Chicago"--a
confusing amalgamation of possible development scenarios which only
Microsoft would be able to decipher, leaving confused independent
developers and consumers to sort them out for themselves. In a 16 June
1992 strategy document circulated by Microsoft's then-Vice President
Brad Silverberg, the company outlined its concept of Chicago as a
product that could be packaged three ways--as Windows for Workgroups,
as plain Windows, and as MS-DOS. Thus, the answer to the question,
"Are you merging MS-DOS with Windows?" could be "Yes," and the answer
to the question, "Are you maintaining the two product lines
separately?" could also be "Yes." This obfuscation, according to
documents, was crafted deliberately for the sole reason of throwing
off the competition and keeping consumers guessing, thus fulfilling
the following directive Brad Silverberg had made in late 1991: This is
a very important point. We need to create the reputation for problems
and incompatibilities to undermine confidence to drdos6; so people
will make judgments against it without knowing details or fats [sic].

In 1993, following its acquisition of DRI, Novell re-engineered DR-DOS
to become Novell DOS 7--a product which it promised would not only
serve as a cohesive network and desktop platform, but which would also
run Windows 3.1 without problems. At long last, the monkey on
Microsoft's back became too much for Chairman Bill Gates, who on 21
July wrote the following memo to his subordinates: Who at Microsoft
gets up every morning thinking about how to compete with these guys in
the short term -- specifically cut their revenue. Perhaps we need more
focus on this...After their behavior in this FTC investigation, I am
very keen on this.

Once again, Gates infuses his fellow executives and product managers
with a lofty vision of Microsoft as having carte blanche, on account
of its size, to set the rules for the industry, even if it means
teetering on the edge of implying that it's above the law. With Gates,
there is never a smoking gun. The job of providing the smoke is left
to others, such as Jim Allchin who, in an 18 September 1993 memo,
advised the following: Sentiment is against us. We can and MUST turn
this around. As we become more aggressive against Novell product and
marketing-wise, we must get our mouth in order. The press, etc. is
very sketical of us so one slip up and we get set back quite a ways.

This really isn't that hard. If you're going to kill someone there
isn't much reason to get all worked up about it and angry -- you just
pull the trigger. Any discussions beforehand are a waste of time. We
need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger.

The strategy that Microsoft concocted is for the company to represent
Chicago as the successor to MS-DOS 6.3, and as perhaps Windows bundled
with DOS and perhaps Windows merged with DOS. Consumers and businesses
considering their upgrade options would have to consider the extent to
which they considered Windows an asset. Not knowing whether the two
products would bundle or merge, consumers were forced to evaluate
MS-DOS as though it were Windows, and not for its own merits--which,
against Novell DOS, were admittedly lacking. As long as Windows
continued to support Novell NetWare--and it did, quite
completely--consumers would conclude they had nothing to lose from
their current NetWare investment, if they were to choose an
all-Microsoft upgrade path for the future, which included DOS as
well. The decision to actually merge DOS with Windows was withheld
until the last possible minute--in 1994, well after what was supposed
to have been Chicago's initial release date. This decision was the
coup de grace to Novell DOS, indicating to buyers that there would be
no need for a DOS once Windows 95 was installed.

Consumer confusion about Microsoft's course of action led to the
desired result: Buyers turned away from Novell, believing what
Microsoft itself calls its own "FUD messages" (fear, uncertainty, and
doubt) about the future reliability of Novell DOS in tandem with
Windows. The term "FUD" is said to derive from a similar term used by
Pres. Nixon's famous "plumbers"--the people hired to spread rumors and
false information about possible presidential opponents. It is a term
which shows up in Microsoft internal memos and documents as though it
were its own brand name.

MIRACLE INGREDIENTS

The DR-DOS story is important because the behavior of Microsoft during
the early 1990s established a prototype for its behavior during the
"browser wars"--one of the current antitrust action's two key periods
of interest. It is in some ways humorous to note that Microsoft held
little or no regard for the Internet as a global information resource,
until such time as it perceived that resource as a threat to its
business. Bill Gates actually wrote an entire book, "The Road Ahead,"
that was a national bestseller, and that afterwards was amended as a
"Special Edition" after its author had received too many inquiries
about its omission of the Internet as a topic. Microsoft is not a
company that believes in creating opportunities, or even in finding
fair and open opportunities outside of its own corporate walls. This
is a company whose key success during the 1990s was stifling the
opportunities of others in order to protect its own products and
intellectual assets.

After Novell had been thoroughly decimated by Microsoft FUD, the
company turned its attention in late 1994 to Netscape, as the
threat-on-the-horizon it needed to continue to function the way it had
trained itself to do. Microsoft, as we all know now, perceived
Netscape Navigator as a platform that could potentially be leveraged
to distribute a future form of Sun Microsystems' Java as a substitute
operating system. The cross-platform capabilities of Java awakened
developers to the potential of crafting applications that did not need
to rely on the resources of any one operating system
exclusively--especially Windows.

As Judge Jackson's Findings of Fact show, Microsoft's internal policy
was to develop its own Java programming language and applications
resources--called J++--to appear to be compliant with Sun's Java,
while actually presenting Java developers using Windows with
non-portable libraries. Jackson writes: In a further effort intended
to increase the incompatibility between Java applications written for
its Windows JVM and other Windows JVMs, and to increase the difficulty
of porting Java applications from the Windows environment to other
platforms, Microsoft designed its Java developer tools to encourage
developers to write their Java applications using certain "keywords"
and "compiler directives" that could only be executed properly by
Microsoft's version of the Java runtime environment for
Windows. Microsoft encouraged developers to use these extensions by
shipping its developer tools with the extensions enabled by default
and by failing to warn developers that their use would result in
applications that might not run properly with any runtime environment
other than Microsoft's and that would be difficult, and perhaps
impossible, to port to JVMs running on other platforms. This action
comported with the suggestion that Microsoft's Thomas Reardon made to
his colleagues in November 1996: "[W]e should just quietly grow j++
[Microsoft's developer tools] share and assume that people will take
more advantage of our classes without ever realizing they are building
win32-only java apps." Microsoft refused to alter its developer tools
until November 1998, when a court ordered it to disable its keywords
and compiler directives by default and to warn developers that using
Microsoft's Java extensions would likely cause incompatibilities with
non-Microsoft runtime environments.

In the summer of 1997, Microsoft sprung the trap. MTS as a product was
integrated with Internet Information Server, and very soon thereafter,
IIS was incorporated as a native part of Windows NT 4.0. If your
server had NT4, it had IIS, so it had MTS. On the client side,
Internet Explorer would be "sewn" onto the front end of Windows 98,
not as an integral part or even an inseparable one from Windows 98,
but a part which the common user could not easily detach from
it. Suddenly, the whole world of Windows closed in on itself,
excluding Netscape and Sun technologies and immediately rendering them
obsolete. Users abandoned Netscape in droves, and within only a matter
of months. Sun's efforts to develop Java further, gradually slowed to
a trickle. The death spiral still worked.

The code of conduct which the Appeals Court upheld as illegal use of
Microsoft's monopoly power, stems directly from the code of conduct
Microsoft taught itself in fending off the DR-DOS threat. It is not
the behavior of an established, experienced company whose leadership
position is bestowed upon it by its customers and partners. It is the
behavior of an adolescent, catapulted quickly to prominence in a young
industry, without ever having found the time or the inclination to
learn how success may be achieved fairly and with honor. It is a
spoiled brat kid that never listened to its elders, and has never come
to appreciate the world outside of itself. It has erected its own
psychological "barrier to entry" that prohibits it from absorbing
anything of positive benefit--any new ideas, any good alliances, any
substantive partnerships--from the outside world, out there, where the
enemy lives. Paranoid, over-sensitive, and withdrawn, it hides out in
its room, nails a "Keep Out" sign to its door, locks the door shut,
loses itself in a video game, and drowns itself out with loud music
laced with messages of pessimism and disdain. It is the unloved
child. It is built in the image of its maker. It will not listen to
reason.

Within the locked, sacrosanct confines of corporate headquarters or
boardrooms, no fantasy world is illegal. Corporate fiefdom or chivalry
may assume any degree of distortion, and black may very easily be
declared white without objection. It is when these bizarre practices
lead directly to tactics of deception, sabotage, and bad faith against
not only a company's competitors but also its purported partners, and
to a calculated campaign of consumer choice control, that they impede
upon the rights of individuals, of companies and corporations, and of
an entire industry. Microsoft's private fantasy world has evolved into
a dangerous corporate subculture whose principles and motives threaten
the very way business is done in America, in Canada, in Asia, in
Europe, and anywhere there is a microprocessor.

When faced with a situation where the only rational option is for
Microsoft to solve its own problems, Microsoft chooses instead to go
on the attack against some outside enemy that could potentially expose
or spotlight those problems. As a result, those problems may never be
solved, but the enemy du jour becomes so damaged that the continued
existence of those problems in the context of the industry as a whole,
becomes inconsequential. To this day, serious bugs and deficiencies in
Microsoft's operating systems and applications, discovered by myself
and others and duly reported to Microsoft, remain uncorrected, quite
possibly for fear of the political cost of exposing the problem by
making the world aware of its solution.

Microsoft's distorted perception of the computing industry, and of the
world as a whole, is important because of a fact which Judge Jackson
came to realize but, all too soon, commented on: Any conduct remedy
which relies solely upon Microsoft's own ability to scrutinize,
admonish, and improve itself through its own means, will be treated by
Microsoft's executives with disrespect and contempt. It's like a
parent ordering his wayward son to shape up. The executives of
Microsoft are as unwilling to consider such an order as an adolescent
boy, bottled up in his room, is willing to remove his headphones and
listen to his dad for five seconds. They are likely to ignore such an
order altogether. I say this with the utmost respect: They don't give
a damn what you think.

FIRST NOVELL, THEN NETSCAPE, NOW THE JUSTICE SYSTEM

Microsoft is a company which views all events and actions relevant to
the computing industry, taken outside of its corporate headquarters,
as attacks against it. These include not only new product
announcements from Oracle or marketing agreements from Sony, but legal
maneuvers, motions, and actions from the Justice Dept., and judgments
and decisions from the courts. Microsoft's executives are charged with
the mission to manipulate circumstances to its own advantage, so that
the enemy's actions end up reinforcing the company's prominence. Bill
Gates calls this mission "kicking them into the death spiral." Here's
how the death spiral works, paraphrased from Microsoft's own internal
documents: 1. Make agreements with the enemy that build an
interdependence between the enemy and us.

2. Generate uncertainty about our future course of action, to throw
the enemy off-track.

3. Propose a clear solution to the uncertainty that depends upon a
certain set of rules, and make it impossible for the enemy to turn you
down.

4. Change the rules so that the enemy is forced to live with its own
decisions, while we move to an entirely new world where the rules are
different and we own the territory.

The proposed final judgment before you now, presented by Microsoft and
the Justice Dept., is yet another clear example of the death spiral
methodology, this time applied to the American justice system. Just as
Novell was compelled to commit itself to a category of products that
appeared to have been rendered obsolete, and Netscape was compelled to
commit itself to offering for free a product that once generated
revenue and that had been rendered in most consumers' minds
unnecessary, the Justice Dept. and the District Court are being
compelled to accept a vision of Microsoft's conduct for the future
that is incompatible with Microsoft's own vision of the
future. Microsoft plans to change the rules, to pull the rug out from
under you, and move on to a new territory where it gets to make new
rules.

Last 12 December, Microsoft counsel Charles F. Rule presented a
statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee, defending its Proposed
Final Judgment (PFJ) as taking corrective measures that are far
broader than may even be necessary, given that "four-fifths" of Judge
Jackson's findings were invalidated, by his estimate, by the Appeals
Court. As with most prepared statements before a Senate committee, the
latter part that no one has time to read aloud, is "read into the
record" without objection. The body of this statement explains the
three-part provisions of the PFJ. The following excerpt explains the
Judgment's provisions with regard to the category of software called
middleware: The case that the plaintiffs tried and the narrowed
liability that survived appellate review all hinged on claims that
Microsoft took certain actions to exclude Netscape's Navigator browser
and Sun's Java technology from the market in order to protect the
Windows operating system monopoly. The plaintiffs successfully argued
that Microsoft feared that Navigator and Java, either alone or
together, might eventually include and expose a broad set of general
purpose APIs to which software developers could write as an
alternative to the Windows APIs. Since Navigator and Java can run on
multiple operating systems, if they developed into general purpose
platforms, Navigator and Java would provide a means of overcoming the
"applications barrier" to entry and threaten the position of the
Windows operating system as platform software.

A person might expect that a decree designed to address such a
monopoly maintenance claim would provide relief with respect to
Web-browsing software and Java or, at most, to other general purpose
platform software that exposes a broad set of APIs and is ported to
run on multiple operating systems. The PFJ goes much further. The
Department insisted that obligations imposed on Microsoft by the
decree extend to a range of software that has little in common with
Navigator and Java. The decree applies to "middleware" broadly defined
to include, in addition to Web-browsing software and Java, instant
messaging software, media players, and even email clients -- software
that, Microsoft believes, has virtually no chance of developing into
broad, general purpose platforms that might threaten to displace the
Windows platform. In addition, there is a broad catch-all definition
of middleware that in the future is likely to sweep other similar
software into the decree.

To summarize: It is conceded that Microsoft acted unlawfully to thwart
any action that Netscape and Sun may have taken to use Navigator and
Java as leverage for the distribution of an operating platform that
substitutes for Windows. Microsoft is to be praised, says Rule, for
its broad definition of middleware as more than just Web browsers, but
many categories of software with functionality that currently isn't
part of an operating system--software that could not displace Windows
in and of itself, because it isn't really an operating platform like
Java anyway. "A broad catch-all definition of middleware," Rule calls
it--essentially, any software that isn't Windows.

Defined so broadly, anything that isn't on the Windows Setup CD-ROM
could potentially be defined as middleware. The settlement's
provisions would, conceivably, apply to Microsoft's treatment of the
producers and manufacturers of any non-Microsoft package on a store
shelf or Internet download site. Which sounds perfectly wonderful if
we allow ourselves to forget recent history: Microsoft has a
reputation for incorporating features from non-Microsoft software
packages--or features which at least appear to incorporate their
functionality--in new versions of Windows. The new digital photo
management features of Windows XP are a clear and present
example. What is to prevent Microsoft from adopting any new feature
into Windows, thus narrowing the feature set of "middleware" at will?
Certainly not the proposed judgment, which includes specific
provisions enabling Microsoft to share resources with a third party
for the development of products that compete with that party. From the
top of page 5: Nothing in this section shall prohibit Microsoft from
entering into (a) any bona fide joint venture or (b) any joint
development or joint services arrangement with any ISV, IHV, IAP, ICP,
or OEM for a new product, technology or service, or any material
value-add to an existing product, technology or service, in which both
Microsoft and the ISV, IHV, IAP, ICP, or OEM contribute significant
developer or other resources, that prohibits such entity from
competing with the object of the joint venture or other arrangement
for a reasonable period of time.

So conceivably, if we accept Mr. Rule's explanation, a category of
software that was middleware in the past, could at Microsoft's
discretion no longer be middleware today or tomorrow. But if you read
the Definitions section of the PFJ, you discover Mr. Rule's
explanation isn't entirely accurate. In this section, there are two
main categories: Microsoft Middleware, and non-Microsoft
middleware. The definition of middleware as "Internet browsers, email
client software, networked audio/video client software, instant
messaging software" applies only to the Microsoft category. In other
words, the broad definition applies only if Microsoft is the producer
of the broadly defined products. Non-Microsoft middleware is defined
later in the same section in this way: "Non-Microsoft Middleware"
means a non-Microsoft software product running on a Windows Operating
System Product that exposes a range of functionality to ISVs through
published APIs, and that could, if ported to or made interoperable
with, a non-Microsoft Operating System, thereby make it easier for
applications that rely in whole or in part on the functionality
supplied by that software product to be ported to or run on that
non-Microsoft Operating System.

In other words, any product that exposes its own functionality to
outside developers in the same way for Windows as for other operating
systems, enabling them to conceivably write code that supports that
functionality, for instance, for Macintosh, Linux, and Windows
simultaneously. This isn't exactly Rule's "broad catch-all definition"
that applies to instant messaging. Essentially, what this truly refers
to is any software that establishes dependencies with other software,
apart from the native dependence that all Windows software has with
the Windows operating system.

Speaking as a developer, I can speak with experience: This definition
may sound quite broad, but it isn't. Excluded from this definition are
the drivers that software requires to be able to, for instance, print
an image on the printer or display something on-screen--drivers are
always considered part of Windows, even though Microsoft may not have
written them. Excluded from this definition are the kinds of products
whose mutual benefit, from the perspective of the user, is derived
from their being bundled together rather than from their communication
with one another--for example, Netscape Instant Messenger's bundling
with Netscape Navigator. Excluded from this definition are programs
that establish dependencies on categories of data (as opposed to
programs or source code) that rely on the native operating system
independence of the system that uses them--as, for example, MP3 music
files are non-specific to Windows or Macintosh or Linux.

It is not broadness that distinguishes Microsoft's legal definition of
middleware, but fuzziness. Depending on how you look at it, and where
you look for it, it can be anything at any time. The conduct
restrictions in the PFJ prohibit Microsoft from entering into
agreements with manufacturers that, in turn, would prohibit them from
choosing their own middleware for their own systems. Such restrictions
would be important if we could be certain what it is that Microsoft is
prohibited from prohibiting.

This fuzziness extends to the present moment. As I write, the entire
ActiveX marketing scenario is in the final stages of being disbanded,
in favor of a program architecture that replaces it entirely: the .NET
(pronounced "dot-net") architecture. The basic principle of .NET is
that Windows may be enhanced to include a just-in-time compiler (JIT)
whose job is to execute programs in the Windows environment. The role
of the JIT is analogous to that of the Java Virtual Machine (JVM),
although Microsoft's implementation will have no cross-platform
capabilities. Conceivably, as developers are compelled to switch their
program architectures from the now-obsolete COM to the new .NET, the
architectural model of the Windows application may be redrawn in such
a way that "apps" become satellites of a sort--small, shared
components designed to interoperate and, in so doing, produce a
collective, de facto application on behalf of the user. In such an
architectural model, middleware by one definition would not exist. The
reason is because the functionality of a collective .NET application
would not have to be "exposed" like the opening of a telephone
directory--and as the PFJ expects--but is instead derived as a result
of an independent assessment by Windows of the collective capabilities
of the .NET component programs. Imagine telephones that could
publicize their own phone numbers, and you get a glimpse of the idea.

The architectural concepts underlying Microsoft's .NET architecture
are among the best ideas the company's developers have ever
conceived. Nonetheless, the mechanism is being put in place today for
Microsoft to change the rules yet again. Microsoft itself has stated
in press conferences throughout the antitrust proceedings, that the
rules of the computing industry change so fast that, by the time a
judgment or settlement is finally reached, its terms will have been
rendered obsolete by the very evolution of the industry. Microsoft is
actively working to demonstrate this principle, and we must see .NET
not only as a good idea, but a warning. As long as we consider
Microsoft the de facto keeper of the computing dictionary, we will
render that company of changing its terms--and to some extent, our
lives as a result--on a whim.

Microsoft has a history of making its enemies follow a set of rules,
which it then changes. Provisions in the PFJ would prohibit Microsoft
from excluding from any party the right to include icons and menu
selections on its systems that point to any software it chooses. As
both a developer and an editor, I have heard news--whether it be
controlled leaks or the usual FUD--that Microsoft is considering
eliminating the "Desktop" as a feature of Windows, replacing it with a
more resplendent, multimedia-oriented, Web-based system that's
possibly tied into its MSN network. The Windows Desktop is where all
the icons and menu selections are. If Microsoft changes the rules,
these provisions would immediately be rendered archaic.

The provisions of the Proposed Final Judgment as they stand today
would restrict Microsoft to behaving as we would expect any large,
successful company to behave with regard to its partners, competitors,
supporters, and customers, had that company attained its position of
prominence by legitimate means. What the PFJ would have us forget is
that Microsoft has a duty, at this point in its history, to make
reparations to those parties whom it knowingly and willfully
deceived. It must behave not as an ordinary large company, but as one
with unordinary obligations to the market in which it does business:
to provide its partners, competitors, supporters, and customers with
more than is expected of the company that has operated in good faith,
competed on the quality of its products and services, and has not
broken federal and state laws.

MICROSOFT'S WORLD, AND OTHERS

Unlike any single corporation in any other industry in the world,
Microsoft has attained the freedom to dictate not only the terms of
the course of action for others in that industry, but also the very
terminology, principles, and rules of existence by which that industry
operates. In 1984, an operating system was a "bootstrap" program whose
basic function was to engage the computer, take keyboard commands from
the user, and give the user some rudimentary access to stored
files. In 2001, the operating system has become something which
removes red-eye from photographs, bounces instant messages to digital
cell phones, and handles copyright infringement management on behalf
of music publishers--and all of these things, not particularly very
well. This transfiguration of the concept of the operating system is
referred to by Microsoft as "innovation." No similar concept of
innovation can be applied to any other industry in the world. In our
own fantasy world, we can imagine an automobile industry whose leader
endows its products with microwave ovens, paper shredders, and Spanish
teachers. We can imagine the manufacturer calling these developments
"innovation." And we can argue that such developments would not be
illegal in and of themselves. But even in that fantasy world, we
cannot concoct a situation where the inclusion of these features in
automobiles would in any way impede, hinder, or prohibit a consumer's
means of nuking a hot dog, shredding a letter, or counting to diez by
any other method.

Microsoft's incorporation of often arbitrarily-chosen new features in
its operating system, by design, impedes the channel of delivery for
any company whose business is specifically to provide those
features. Knowing that, Microsoft has created its own little market
where partners and potential partners bargain for prominence. The
price of a partner striking this bargain is often the termination of
its own native distribution channel for its product--without
Microsoft's backing, neither the product nor the company can
exist. And yet Microsoft itself has shown it had no intention for its
partnerships to continue for any longer than it could conjure its own,
self-branded alternative. Microsoft used its partnerships to develop
new markets in voice recognition, storage security, file backup and
restoration, messaging, imaging, multimedia, database organization and
translation--markets whose main channel of distribution were
controlled by Microsoft. Once that market exists, Microsoft rescinds
its partnership and offers its own "innovation" as a substitute.

The Definitions section of documents in the current antitrust case,
including the overturned District Court's Final Judgment, paints an
outline for a newcomer to planet Earth of an industry constructed in
general accordance with Microsoft's current vision. What an operating
system is, what a "browser" is, what an application is, what a
database is, are definitions that could have been supplied by a
Microsoft manual. That a company should have such a defining vision
should never be made illegal--any American company should be free to
dream of redefining its industry. But the very definitions of these
things as we have come to understand them, derive from Microsoft
actions taken to defend its own prominence and thwart enemy
attacks. Had these actions never been taken, our very understanding of
the parts of a personal computer may be almost unrecognizable to the
inhabitants of this world. Taking that into account, any remedial
measure which accepts the present state of computing at face value,
without taking into account not only what computing is becoming, but
also what it might have been today had Microsoft never acted with such
aggression and deception, is of no benefit to the companies outside of
Microsoft who each should have the right to challenge Microsoft's
prominence in a fair and competitive manner.

We use personal computers today whose processing power and data
address capability supersede that which the Dept. of Defense
categorized as "supercomputing" only eight years ago. Knowledge of
their technology falling into the hands of enemies of the U.S., was
considered a threat to national security. The processors on our
desktops are capable of calculations which, as late as 1989, were
deemed impossible given the laws of physics.

Yet what can we truly do with these computers? Can we calculate the
trajectories of celestial bodies? Can we give them voice commands and
ask them to perform sophisticated analyses of financial transactions,
bodily functions, or legal maneuvers? Can a computer tell me what I'm
eating that jeopardizes my cholesterol rate? Can we make heads or
tails of Enron's bookkeeping strategy?

These are jobs, the basic functions of which supercomputers of the
1980s could perform with ease. Yet the modern, everyday personal
computer, whose processing ability supersedes that of those machines
by orders of magnitude, just barely delivers enough power for you to
type a letter, or keep a list of your colleagues' phone numbers, or
even play a decent game of chess with you. Crashing has become one of
the fundamental functions of a computer. Entire careers are spent by
system administrators whose principal jobs are helping their users
recover from system crashes. We speak often of how the computers
on-board Apollo 11 had one-fourth the processing power of a
T.I. pocket calculator. Today, an everyday personal computer, capable
of literally millions of times the processing power of Apollo 11, has
difficulty running a real-time simulation of the Apollo 11 on-board
computer, without being bogged down by the colossal overhead incurred
by the operating system. Most of us computer users and developers are
just barely eking out our everyday jobs.

Had there been a true state of competition between Microsoft and other
producers of operating systems over the last 15 years, this pitiful
state of existence would never have come about. Microsoft yesterday
and today has employed brilliant programmers, with the capability to
endow computers with extraordinary functionality and richness of
experience. These programmers--not just those outside the
company--have been handicapped by the crippling weight of the
monstrosity that has become Microsoft Windows, a platform that
transforms the definition of "moving target" into an unfathomable,
four-dimensional puzzle from which rational minds can barely escape.

It is bewilderment in the apparently minuscule importance of the law
within Microsoft's own little world, that Judge Jackson attempted to
express--and which, sadly, he did at the wrong time and with improper
motivation. Judge Jackson's judgment was indeed clouded, as was Joel
Klein's, and those of the other parties in this case who have
attempted to craft an appropriate remedy for Microsoft's offenses. To
date, no solution on the table--including the breakup of the
company--has taken into account this obvious fact: Any remedy that
fails to render the future executive conduct of Microsoft or its
successor companies innocuous to those whom its prior conduct
knowingly deceived, is no remedy at all.

NEW CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE FINAL JUDGMENT

Tough love, for a misbehaving adolescent child, often mandates that
the parent be willing to cut that child off--not to kick him into the
death spiral, but to make him live with his own choices.

Microsoft would have itself continue to live in a world defined by the
agreements it makes with others--how free and open they are, how
restricted and narrow they may be, but in any event, how many
agreements there are! It is my suggestion to you that, in the interest
of tough love, Microsoft should be cut off. We must take steps to
force Microsoft to live with the decisions that it has already made
for itself. We must allow Microsoft to live in the world it has
constructed for itself. But we must not allow circumstances to
continue which force, or compel, or rely upon any other company doing
business in the computing industry--software, hardware, services,
networking, or elsewhere--to have to make any agreements with
Microsoft whatsoever just to stay alive.

What if we're sick of Microsoft? Why must developers, manufacturers,
vendors, and retailers be forced to endure even the fairest and most
legally honorable of relationships with a corporation that has proven
its inherent incapability to see value in the ideas, works, and
products of others outside its own doors? Why must the rest of the
computing industry be bunched together under the category of "third
party" by legal definition?

In the early 1980s, the computing industry at large made a collective
decision to support a single, pre-eminent operating system, and to
trust Microsoft with the stewardship of that system. This decision was
not reached by having been kicked into the death spiral. This was a
rational decision made by honest, persevering corporations whose
mutual interest was to build an industry together so that each could
prosper.

Microsoft Windows did not, as Microsoft's self-authored history
proclaims, compete head-to-head with other operating systems on equal
turf, and achieve a position of prominence through overwhelming
customer acclamation. MS-DOS--and by succession, Windows--were handed
this position of prominence on a silver plate, under the auspices of a
bond of trust between Microsoft and the rest of the computing
industry. This trust was the collective property of the computing
industry. Microsoft violated, ruined, and destroyed that trust. Entire
corporations were destroyed as a result, and others today struggle
simply to break even.

To presume that Microsoft can make reparations for this violation by
way of an agreement stating that it promises this will never, ever
happen again, is to ignore the extent of the damage that was done. For
Netscape, Sun, and Novell, the death spiral was indeed devastating,
but their survival is foreseeable. They may each yet rise from the
ashes, with or without Microsoft's aid--and they may be better off
without it anyway. These are companies that may never benefit from any
settlement on the content of future agreements with Microsoft. These
companies don't want future agreements with Microsoft.

The offended parties in the Microsoft antitrust matter are Microsoft's
many software development partners, the computer manufacturers who
depend on Windows, the retailers who have the right to sell the
products they want to sell, and most importantly, the consumers and
businesses who rely on Windows every day. The state of Windows
today--and as a result, the state of the way their businesses work
every day--was designed, planned, built, and executed in bad faith.

In the interest of crafting a proper redress, I make the following
suggested replacements for the terms of the District Court's Final
Judgment: 1. Microsoft should cede stewardship of all components of
its operating system directly related to the function of maintaining
the readiness and usability of the computer, to an independent
Licensing Bureau. This Bureau may be comprised of representatives of
software manufacturers (including Microsoft); hardware manufacturers;
leaders in services, support, and education. Any element of Windows
whose basic function does not directly relate to the operability of
the computer and its peripherals, may be retained exclusively by
Microsoft. This definition may include Media Player, Outlook Express,
and such elements that Microsoft has called "Microsoft Middleware."
This central element of Windows is referred to here as the Windows
core.

2. Representatives of lawmaking entities worldwide will be appointed
as special liaison to the Licensing Bureau, for the purpose of
overseeing all development, licensing, and educational
operations. This includes representatives of the US Justice Dept., but
may also include representatives from the various plaintiff states,
from Canada, from the EU, and elsewhere.

3. The Licensing Bureau will make public all relevant information
required by any independent developer to be able to create an
application or program for any purpose that developer may conceive, in
a timely manner such that a program constructed using this information
may be guaranteed to run on the most premium version of Windows
commercially available for a period of time 24 months following the
developer's receipt of the information. Costs incurred for this
publication will be assumed by the Bureau, and the Bureau will be free
to make certain premium versions of its publications--such as
"courseware"--commercially available.

4. The Licensing Bureau will serve as the central authority for
licensing of shared Windows components to independent developers, for
inclusion in independent programs. This way, developers who use a
compiler package will be able to incorporate elements of shared code
necessary for the software to perform common functions, such as
display buttons and present menus.

5. Members of the Bureau will grant themselves licenses to produce,
develop, distribute, and sell operating systems with any package,
design, or name they may choose, but which has guaranteed
compatibility with the Windows core, and whose principles comply
completely with the level of interoperability and communication
required by the Windows core. Costs incurred for licenses will be paid
to Microsoft Corp., and for the first two years, Microsoft will be
credited in any non-Microsoft version of Windows as the creator of
Windows. For example, "IBM Windows" may include this message: "Based
on Microsoft technology." (Use the "Intel Inside" logo for a
prototype.)

6. Each member of the Bureau will retain the right to develop (or
"innovate") its own exclusive packaging arrangement for its own
version of Windows. Hypothetically, "HP Windows" could include HP's
own choice of media player, e-mail client, or instant messenger; and
HP may even choose to make a "plain" version of Windows available
without these items. Meanwhile, Microsoft may continue to offer
Windows Media Player, Outlook Express, and MSN Messenger. Fair market
competition will determine which package is superior.

7. It will be the sole and exclusive responsibility of the Bureau to
determine for the benefit of its own members, as well as the computing
industry at large, the developmental strategy for the Windows core, to
assign the tasks of development to Microsoft teams or to teams from
other companies, to manage the development process, and to ensure
compliance with the interoperability principles of the Windows
core. Microsoft has a seat at the table, but it's a seat among
equals. It can elect to play along, or go home and sulk.

At this time in the history of the computing industry, and of the
country as a whole, it is incumbent upon us all to get smarter very
quickly. We now live and work in a society dependent upon the free and
expedient flow of information. The computing industry has helped the
concept of information to evolve to include not just news and mail,
but functionality--the type of work that can be performed by software
and yet represented digitally.

Microsoft's most ardent supporters have argued that it should not be
the business of the federal government to interfere with, place
controls on, or make restrictions to the free flow of information, or
to any company that facilitates this flow of information. They are
right. Acceptance of the Proposed Final Judgment as it presently
stands, is a tacit surrender and assignment of all rights to restrict
the free flow of information, by the federal government, to a single
company. The Proposed Final Judgment defines the future as a
magnification of the present--in a state of existence that does not
appear to have evolved much from where we stand now. And yet we know
that the company to which the government would, in effect, render this
authority is capable of using its own monopoly power in deceptive ways
to manipulate the information industry in such a way that every single
transaction comes closer and closer to flowing, at some point, through
Microsoft.

"Get me into that," Bill Gates is quoted as saying, "and goddam, we'll
make so much money!" The free flow of transportation was engineered by
geniuses--Henry Ford, John A. Roebling, Norman Bel Geddes--and
championed by presidents--Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight
Eisenhower. The free flow of ideas is one of the basic principles
upheld by the United States Constitution. Up to now, all successful
freedom has been constructed and established on solid principles. Are
we truly prepared to draw up a statement that speaks for all of us as
a people and a nation, that serves as a catalyst for the surrender of
the free flow of information not to an institution defined by
principles, but a corporation defined by deception?

We are a smarter people than that. We know, for a fact, that all
information, all knowledge, all wisdom is truly free, and that all
people are entitled to fair and equal access. This principle will be
demonstrated, clearly and unequivocally, either in the relative peace
of today or in the turmoil of the future. You may spare the people a
great ordeal now, against a powerful yet unprincipled force, by
putting a stop to the death spiral. The way you do this is the way you
deal with a wayward adolescent: Stop making deals. Take away its
power. Spell out the law. And don't get kicked in yourself.

Yours sincerely,
Scott M. Fulton, III
Senior Partner, Ingenus

--
~~ Best of wishes

"The government is not trying to destroy Microsoft, it’s simply seeking to
compel Microsoft to obey the law. It’s quite revealing that Mr. Gates equates
the two."

The Ghost In The Machine

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Linonut
<lin...@bollsouth.nut>
wrote
on Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:21:53 -0500
<3Ysfj.43947$_m.3...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>:

> * Roy Schestowitz fired off this tart reply:
>
>>> That guy is obviously biased! I can just see DFS stepping in with his
>>> reality-denial, and amiscum claiming that it is all sour grapes.
>>
>> He writes many articles (even today). He is absolutely shocked
>> to see the behaviour of the company on which he has relied on
>> for decades (and made money thanks to its frameworks, which he
>> wrote books about). Do you want me to post the message in full?
>> it's quite long. See the text in msg-id:
>>
>> <3519292.i...@schestowitz.com> (it's not public material, I think)
>
> 3519292.i...@schestowitz.com not available
>

Try groups.google.com Advanced Search; it found the message
without difficulty. It's dated Dec 1st which is probably
why you're no longer seeing it on your newsspool; it's
rolled off.

--
#191, ewi...@earthlink.net
Windows. When it absolutely, positively, has to crash.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Mark Kent

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Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> espoused:

> * Mark Kent fired off this tart reply:
>
>> Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> espoused:
>>> Saw a Comcast Business ad on the telly. Prominently featured was
>>> "Microsoft Communications Services". And, who knows, maybe we'll all be
>>> watching teevee on a Microsoft TCP/IP network someday.
>>
>> Maybe, but their track record in that area has been very poor. For a
>> godo open-source VOD system, take a look at Iliad in France, they're
>> doing everything Microsoft is, but using open-source capabilities, so
>> they have no licence-fees to pay and its more reliable and secure. They
>> will take out any company who's paying Microsoft or anyone else a
>> licence to do the same thing.
>
> Maybe. However, I read about a year ago in IEEE Computing that
> Microsoft's efforts in that area were improving rapidly (after the usual
> foot-in-the-doorstep crap they first deployed).

Article written by..?

>
> And recently Bill Gates boasted of MS's IPTV efforts.

Yeah...

>
> Personally, no matter who's doing it, I'd prefer to see my data-access
> network separate from my teevee network.
>

For streaming to work, you need 3-mode networking. IP is a terrible
protocol for this purpose, but carrier-grade ethernet (PBB-TE) is ideal.

DFS

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Jan 4, 2008, 11:35:57 PM1/4/08
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Linonut wrote:

>> Microsoft's conduct as a corporation and a manufacturer of computing
>> products, is predicated upon an internal policy of deception, which
>> includes deceiving customers, deceiving competitors, deceiving
>> partners, deceiving its own vendors, and at some level, deceiving
>> its own staff.
>
> That guy is obviously biased!

Ya think?


> I can just see DFS stepping in with his reality-denial

You cola wacks are just basically naive rubes who believe any stupid claim
anyone prints about Microsoft.


Kelton

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Jan 5, 2008, 1:09:59 AM1/5/08
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Pardon my naivety, but what is a 'rube'? I'm asking
strictly for informational purpose, not to get involved
in any arguments.

Thanks in advance for the definition.
Kelton

Roy Schestowitz

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Jan 5, 2008, 1:34:25 AM1/5/08
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____/ Kelton on Saturday 05 January 2008 06:09 : \____

We usually don't respond to trolls. They do not make any sense. At least 3 of
our COLA trolls are already spreading some chaos in Digg.com and some of them
do the same in Slashdot. If Microsoft does not pay some of them to do this
(like it did in the past when it was caught-right handed), then my name is
Lucy. They are doing this for their wallets, so you are better off ignoring
(pruning) out all their posts.

--
~~ Best of wishes

Microsoft loves competition.
"Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy. I’m going to fucking bury that guy, I
have done it before, and I will do it again. I’m going to fucking kill
Google."
--Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO

DFS

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Jan 5, 2008, 9:26:29 AM1/5/08
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Kelton wrote:
> DFS wrote:

>> You cola wacks are just basically naive rubes who believe any stupid
>> claim anyone prints about Microsoft.
>>
>>
> Pardon my naivety, but what is a 'rube'? I'm asking
> strictly for informational purpose, not to get involved
> in any arguments.
>
> Thanks in advance for the definition.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/rube
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/rube
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/rube

Linonut

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Jan 5, 2008, 11:44:07 AM1/5/08
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* DFS fired off this tart reply:

Right on cue...

Like Judge Jackson, Kenneth Starr, and Robert Bork? LOL.

Linonut

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Jan 5, 2008, 12:10:12 PM1/5/08
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* DFS fired off this tart reply:

> Kelton wrote:
>>>
>> Pardon my naivety, but what is a 'rube'? I'm asking
>> strictly for informational purpose, not to get involved
>> in any arguments.
>>

That last one would be pretty confusing.

Kelton

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Jan 5, 2008, 2:16:56 PM1/5/08
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Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
> We usually don't respond to trolls. They do not make any sense. At least 3 of
> our COLA trolls are already spreading some chaos in Digg.com and some of them
> do the same in Slashdot. If Microsoft does not pay some of them to do this
> (like it did in the past when it was caught-right handed), then my name is
> Lucy. They are doing this for their wallets, so you are better off ignoring
> (pruning) out all their posts.
>
Don't I feel silly? I figured 'rube' was
one of those clever little technogeek words
that savvy technophiles use in newsgroups.
Nope! It's an ordinary word in the dictionary.

I guess I need to skulk around in the background
for a few more months before I post any more
questions.

10 steps behind everyone else,
Kelton

Tim Smith

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Jan 5, 2008, 4:54:41 PM1/5/08
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In article <WaFfj.58671$rc2....@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,

Kelton <kel...@humility.net> wrote:
> Pardon my naivety, but what is a 'rube'? I'm asking
> strictly for informational purpose, not to get involved
> in any arguments.
>
> Thanks in advance for the definition.

rube |rub|
noun informal often derogatory
a country bumpkin.
ORIGIN late 19th cent.: abbreviation of the given name Reuben.

--
--Tim Smith

Tim Smith

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Jan 5, 2008, 4:58:39 PM1/5/08
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In article <2232423.c...@schestowitz.com>,
Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
[stuff]

When we want to know what an AOL employee thinks, we'll ask.

--
--Tim Smith

Tim Smith

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Jan 5, 2008, 5:00:08 PM1/5/08
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In article <hsMfj.58863$rc2....@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,

"DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
> > Pardon my naivety, but what is a 'rube'? I'm asking
> > strictly for informational purpose, not to get involved
> > in any arguments.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for the definition.
>
> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/rube
> http://www.wordreference.com/definition/rube
> http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/rube

Also worth noting that rube was a popular word among carnival folk for
their customers. For many other carny terms to work into your everyday
conversation, I suggest:

<http://www.goodmagic.com/carny/car_a-c.htm>


--
--Tim Smith

[H]omer

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Jan 8, 2008, 7:52:15 PM1/8/08
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Verily I say unto thee, that Kelton spake thusly:

> Pardon my naivety, but what is a 'rube'?

Oh the irony!

It's an American slang word often used by "carnie" (carnival) workers to
describe their "marks" (victims, suckers, i.e. "customers"). The word is
also less predominantly used by other forms of conmen. More generally it
means unsophisticated or naive. Origins: "Rustic Reubens" in reference
to the hicks (farmers) typified historically by the population of the
city??? of Reubens (population 72), Idaho.

Here's a photo of the thriving metropolis of Reubens:

http://www.rogerdaugherty.com/images/reubensdrug.jpg

And the local subway:

http://www.railvids.com/Rick/Camas/Camas.htm

In this context, Microsoft "customers" are the rubes, and Sweaty Ballmer
is the carnie worker operating the coconut shy, where the toy "prize" is
one of Windows, Office, the Xbox, the Zune, or any one of a selection of
other junk items. What the rubes don't know is that the game is rigged,
the coconuts are weighted down, making it nearly impossible to dislodge
them with the pitiful ping-pong ball given for the task, and if (by some
miracle) the rube should actually *win* something, the "toys" are cheap
rubbish that don't work, and only last long enough to make it out the
carnival gate before disintegrating.

Meanwhile, during his visit to the carnival, the rube has been conned
out of a significant amount of money, and receives nothing but worthless
junk in return. The carnie operators argue that they "give value" by
entertaining the rubes with these games, but it is highly questionable
how "entertaining" it is to be suckered by conmen, unless of course one
*is* the conman, then it is undoubtedly *very* entertaining ... and
profitable, of course.

Here's a video of a carnie worker touting for rubes (the chequered suit
and cheesy patter are a big give-away):

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk

There's also a victim support group for rubes conned by this particular
carnie operator, here:

news://microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

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Tim Smith

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In article <1fid55-...@sky.matrix>, "[H]omer" <sp...@uce.gov> wrote:
> It's an American slang word often used by "carnie" (carnival) workers to
> describe their "marks" (victims, suckers, i.e. "customers"). The word is
> also less predominantly used by other forms of conmen. More generally it

Did you really mean to imply that carnies are con men?

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spinner

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Worse, did he mean to insult carnies by associating them with the likes of
Microsoft?

[H]omer

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Verily I say unto thee, that spinner spake thusly:

> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:31:12 -0800, Tim Smith wrote:
>> In article <1fid55-...@sky.matrix>, "[H]omer" <sp...@uce.gov>
>> wrote:

>>> It's an American slang word often used by "carnie" (carnival)
>>> workers to describe their "marks" (victims, suckers, i.e.
>>> "customers"). The word is also less predominantly used by other
>>> forms of conmen.
>>

>> Did you really mean to imply that carnies are con men?

I'm merely citing the provenance of the word, which in this case is a
stereotype. I don't claim to subscribe to that stereotype, however I
don't claim to deny it either. I'm sure there are actual documented
cases of carnival workers who were in fact conmen, since it would be
statistically improbable that any such stereotype could exist without
precedent. However, that in itself does not imply that all carnival
operators are conmen. The fact that the word "rube" is indicative of a
victim, suggests that those who would use the term, in reference to a
customer, do indeed have criminal intent, or at least the predisposition
to unethically exploit another's naivety.

> Worse, did he mean to insult carnies by associating them with the
> likes of Microsoft?

Unlike carnies, Microsoft's criminal and unethical behaviour is not a
matter of speculation:

http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/index.html
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653

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