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Feb 8, 2012, 3:03:36 PM2/8/12
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Linux price reductions coming soon
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Linux which has 97% of the market for products
with an OS on it will be reducing its price from 0.0 to 0.00
starting yesterday.
All distros and source code is free to download
http://www.distrowatch.com http://www.livecdlist.com
97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold contains Linux.
All flat TVs, printers, ipwebcams, routers, set top boxes,
MP3, MP4, MP5 players, HD recorders, DVD recorders, DVD players,
Android phones and tablets, NAS, media streamers, satnavs, digital
photoframes, wireless routers, etc.
The engineers who release source code under FSF's GPL for free ask only
that you use it as often as possible. They make their money from supporting
and extending GPL'd software.
In the mean time, UK prices of micoshaft windopws is set
to be hiked by 20%!!!!!!
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/02/08/microsoft_pressure/
Meh!
Time to use the opportunity to switch to Linux en mass for good.
----------------------------------
Linux which has 97% of the market for products
with an OS on it will be reducing its price from 0.0 to 0.00
starting yesterday.
All distros and source code is free to download
http://www.distrowatch.com http://www.livecdlist.com
97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold contains Linux.
All flat TVs, printers, ipwebcams, routers, set top boxes,
MP3, MP4, MP5 players, HD recorders, DVD recorders, DVD players,
Android phones and tablets, NAS, media streamers, satnavs, digital
photoframes, wireless routers, etc.
The engineers who release source code under FSF's GPL for free ask only
that you use it as often as possible. They make their money from supporting
and extending GPL'd software.
In the mean time, UK prices of micoshaft windopws is set
to be hiked by 20%!!!!!!
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/02/08/microsoft_pressure/
Meh!
Time to use the opportunity to switch to Linux en mass for good.
Big Steel
Feb 8, 2012, 3:16:13 PM2/8/12
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On 2/8/2012 3:03 PM, 7 wrote:
<snipped>
I don't give a rat's ass as to what is happening in the UK, like you
have your nose all up the US's butt. You and that dumbass Homer
Simpleton out of the UK with your noses up the US's butt.
<snipped>
I don't give a rat's ass as to what is happening in the UK, like you
have your nose all up the US's butt. You and that dumbass Homer
Simpleton out of the UK with your noses up the US's butt.
chrisv
Feb 8, 2012, 3:17:34 PM2/8/12
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President 7 wrote:
>Linux price reductions coming soon
>----------------------------------
>
>Linux which has 97% of the market for products
>with an OS on it
Is "with an OS" a clarification to appease the trolling fsckwit
>Linux price reductions coming soon
>----------------------------------
>
>Linux which has 97% of the market for products
>with an OS on it
"Ezekiel", who recently was screaming like a stuck pig about alleged
"lies", and whining that the advocates did not condemn the alleged
"lies"?
>will be reducing its price from 0.0 to 0.00 starting yesterday.
and their thugs and shills do.
>All distros and source code is free to download
>http://www.distrowatch.com http://www.livecdlist.com
>
>97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold contains Linux.
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Big Steel
Feb 8, 2012, 3:27:53 PM2/8/12
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On 2/8/2012 3:17 PM, chrisv wrote:
<snipped>
> Is "with an OS" a clarification to appease the trolling fsckwit
> "Ezekiel", who recently was screaming like a stuck pig about alleged
> "lies", and whining that the advocates did not condemn the alleged
> "lies"?
>
I don't understand this lunatic. He has a hardon for Ezekiel and
GreyCloud. It doesn't make sense. He is a grown man, and he shouldn't be
acting like some kind of a scorned woman.
<snipped>
> Is "with an OS" a clarification to appease the trolling fsckwit
> "Ezekiel", who recently was screaming like a stuck pig about alleged
> "lies", and whining that the advocates did not condemn the alleged
> "lies"?
>
GreyCloud. It doesn't make sense. He is a grown man, and he shouldn't be
acting like some kind of a scorned woman.
marc
Feb 8, 2012, 3:50:08 PM2/8/12
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chrisv wrote:
> The people win! Business wins! Linux is a win-win!
shareholders don't win, but we ain't here for them?
> The people win! Business wins! Linux is a win-win!
"In 1996 shareholders told a story about 11% gain for their investment. We
decided that we could invest tax money in the government, and leave for a 5%
gain. We calculated that paying 7 years tax was enough".
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Curlytop
Feb 8, 2012, 4:20:53 PM2/8/12
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7 set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum:
> Time to use the opportunity to switch to Linux en mass for good.
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> Time to use the opportunity to switch to Linux en mass for good.
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chrisv
Feb 8, 2012, 4:24:16 PM2/8/12
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marc wrote:
>chrisv wrote:
>>
>> The people win! Business wins! Linux is a win-win!
>
>shareholders don't win, but we ain't here for them?
Yes they do. Companies use FOSS beucase it is the most cost-effective
>chrisv wrote:
>>
>> The people win! Business wins! Linux is a win-win!
>
>shareholders don't win, but we ain't here for them?
solution. What's good for the company is good for the shareholder.
True, there won't be a single company, like M$ or Apple, dominating
the market and extracting obscene profits. But that situation is
quite *bad* for "the people".
Adam Gansefoort
Feb 8, 2012, 4:24:51 PM2/8/12
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Turd "chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> schreef in bericht
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> President 7 wrote:
>
>>Linux price reductions coming soon
>>----------------------------------
>>
>>Linux which has 97% of the market for products
>>with an OS on it
>
> Is "with an OS" a clarification to appease the trolling fsckwit
> "Ezekiel"
That's stalking, turd!
>
>>Linux price reductions coming soon
>>----------------------------------
>>
>>Linux which has 97% of the market for products
>>with an OS on it
>
> Is "with an OS" a clarification to appease the trolling fsckwit
> "Ezekiel"
Ezekiel
Feb 8, 2012, 4:32:23 PM2/8/12
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"7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
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> Linux price reductions coming soon
> ----------------------------------
>
> Linux which has 97% of the market for products
> with an OS on it
Another claim with ZERO proof from the donkey-faced jackass.
> ----------------------------------
>
> Linux which has 97% of the market for products
> with an OS on it
7
Feb 8, 2012, 5:11:12 PM2/8/12
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Ezekiel wrote:
> Another claim with ... proof
I agree with you that trolls funded by appil
and micorshaft is a hazard since Appil
and micoshaft will sink under the weight of freedom OS and
software.
Use the 20% price hike by micoshaft as justification for switching
to Linux with immediate effect and aim in the long term
for complete replacement.
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/02/08/microsoft_pressure/
> Another claim with ... proof
I agree with you that trolls funded by appil
and micorshaft is a hazard since Appil
and micoshaft will sink under the weight of freedom OS and
software.
Use the 20% price hike by micoshaft as justification for switching
to Linux with immediate effect and aim in the long term
for complete replacement.
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/02/08/microsoft_pressure/
Nix
Feb 8, 2012, 5:43:53 PM2/8/12
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[God only knows why I'm following up to this. I must be bored.]
On 8 Feb 2012, 7 spake thusly:
> Linux which has 97% of the market for products
> with an OS on it will be reducing its price from 0.0 to 0.00
> starting yesterday.
The price of Linux distros varies from £0 all the way up to... lots
(RHEL). Free as in speech != free as in beer. But then you know that and
are just trolling from the sewer which is c.o.l.a.
> All distros and source code is free to download
Really? Get me a copy of OEL for free then. Maybe someone is giving it
away, but the absolute minimum price you'll get it from Oracle for is
£50.27 (and that's sans support).
> 97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold contains Linux.
Uh, yeah, but who many people think when they buy a Kindle 'look, a
Linux box with Java on that I can hack, even though it has no keyboard'?
None. Oh, and, btw, that Java code that drives the user interface and
does all the rendering and pretty much everything else that you can see?
Non-free, no source available (which is annoying, because it means I
can't teach mine to hyphenate properly). There's no way to create
Topaz-format ebooks at all unless you're Amazon, and no free Topaz
readers exist either. And the expensive bit of the device, the e-ink
display? The driver is free -- but a lot of the display work is done by
a Flash chip whose contents are largely a mystery but appear to vary on
a screen-by-screen basis.
(The same sort of thing is true of basically all other embedded Linux
hardware. Even if it's unlocked so you can replace the OS, which it
almost never is...)
The consumer electronics market obsoletes devices much too fast for the
standard free software 'anyone can maintain this' mantra to be useful.
To be blunt, if your TV or ebook reader *needs* any systems
administration or support, it is a failure as a product.
I wish consumer electronics devices allowed us to use the four freedoms
embodied in the software on them. But they almost invariably don't.
They are non-free in both senses.
> All flat TVs, printers, ipwebcams, routers, set top boxes,
> MP3, MP4, MP5 players, HD recorders, DVD recorders, DVD players,
> Android phones and tablets, NAS, media streamers, satnavs, digital
> photoframes, wireless routers, etc.
A lot of embedded devices still use, e.g., QNX. Some HP printers even
use embedded Windows, horrifying though it is to imagine. (Most of their
printers use LynxOS.)
> The engineers who release source code under FSF's GPL for free ask only
> that you use it as often as possible.
No we don't. You can use it if you like: you can use something else if
you like. We only ask that if you distribute it, that you distribute the
source code too. Everything else is gravy.
> They make their money from supporting
> and extending GPL'd software.
And LGPLed software. And GPLed software. And Artistic Licensed software.
And Apache-licensed software. And Python-licensed software. And
X11-licensed software. Heck, even CDDLed software (not quite dead yet!).
We also create software, as well as extending it.
> In the mean time, UK prices of micoshaft windopws is set
> to be hiked by 20%!!!!!!
Excellent! That should help encourage Linux use in the City then, which
means more business for my employer and a smidge more job security :)
(After all, the City is not quite as flush with cash to throw away as it
used to be, and it is *already* largely a Linux monopoly on the server
side. Now all we need is Linux desktops...)
--
NULL && (void)
On 8 Feb 2012, 7 spake thusly:
> Linux which has 97% of the market for products
> with an OS on it will be reducing its price from 0.0 to 0.00
> starting yesterday.
(RHEL). Free as in speech != free as in beer. But then you know that and
are just trolling from the sewer which is c.o.l.a.
> All distros and source code is free to download
away, but the absolute minimum price you'll get it from Oracle for is
£50.27 (and that's sans support).
> 97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold contains Linux.
Linux box with Java on that I can hack, even though it has no keyboard'?
None. Oh, and, btw, that Java code that drives the user interface and
does all the rendering and pretty much everything else that you can see?
Non-free, no source available (which is annoying, because it means I
can't teach mine to hyphenate properly). There's no way to create
Topaz-format ebooks at all unless you're Amazon, and no free Topaz
readers exist either. And the expensive bit of the device, the e-ink
display? The driver is free -- but a lot of the display work is done by
a Flash chip whose contents are largely a mystery but appear to vary on
a screen-by-screen basis.
(The same sort of thing is true of basically all other embedded Linux
hardware. Even if it's unlocked so you can replace the OS, which it
almost never is...)
The consumer electronics market obsoletes devices much too fast for the
standard free software 'anyone can maintain this' mantra to be useful.
To be blunt, if your TV or ebook reader *needs* any systems
administration or support, it is a failure as a product.
I wish consumer electronics devices allowed us to use the four freedoms
embodied in the software on them. But they almost invariably don't.
They are non-free in both senses.
> All flat TVs, printers, ipwebcams, routers, set top boxes,
> MP3, MP4, MP5 players, HD recorders, DVD recorders, DVD players,
> Android phones and tablets, NAS, media streamers, satnavs, digital
> photoframes, wireless routers, etc.
use embedded Windows, horrifying though it is to imagine. (Most of their
printers use LynxOS.)
> The engineers who release source code under FSF's GPL for free ask only
> that you use it as often as possible.
you like. We only ask that if you distribute it, that you distribute the
source code too. Everything else is gravy.
> They make their money from supporting
> and extending GPL'd software.
And Apache-licensed software. And Python-licensed software. And
X11-licensed software. Heck, even CDDLed software (not quite dead yet!).
We also create software, as well as extending it.
> In the mean time, UK prices of micoshaft windopws is set
> to be hiked by 20%!!!!!!
means more business for my employer and a smidge more job security :)
(After all, the City is not quite as flush with cash to throw away as it
used to be, and it is *already* largely a Linux monopoly on the server
side. Now all we need is Linux desktops...)
--
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THE COLONEL
Feb 8, 2012, 7:20:06 PM2/8/12
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DFS
Feb 8, 2012, 7:23:18 PM2/8/12
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willingly put them in the place they are today.
High Plains Thumper
Feb 8, 2012, 8:11:43 PM2/8/12
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Curlytop wrote:
> 7 set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum:
>
>> Time to use the opportunity to switch to Linux en mass for good.
>
> Been there, done that. This post is brought to you by KNode under SuSE Linux
> v11.1.
Amen to that. I am running Thunderbird 10.0 under Ubuntu Linux v10.04
> 7 set the following eddies spiralling through the space-time continuum:
>
>> Time to use the opportunity to switch to Linux en mass for good.
>
> Been there, done that. This post is brought to you by KNode under SuSE Linux
> v11.1.
LTS. There's more Linux out there than Microsoft or the Wintrolls who
have invaded c.o.l.advocacy would like to admit.
--
HPT
Homer
Feb 9, 2012, 2:30:11 AM2/9/12
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A one-hit-wonder pseudonym called "Nix" crept out of the darkness and wrote:
> On 8 Feb 2012, 7 spake thusly:
>>
>> Linux which has 97% of the market for products with an OS on it will
>> be reducing its price from 0.0 to 0.00 starting yesterday.
>
> The price of Linux distros varies from £0 all the way up to... lots
> (RHEL).
RHEL charges are for support costs, not software licensing.
> On 8 Feb 2012, 7 spake thusly:
>>
>> Linux which has 97% of the market for products with an OS on it will
>> be reducing its price from 0.0 to 0.00 starting yesterday.
>
> The price of Linux distros varies from £0 all the way up to... lots
> (RHEL).
The actual software itself is free (in both senses).
The proof of this is the simple fact that RHEL is just Fedora with a
different "logos" package. BTW, the same goes for "Oracle's" Linux.
[quote]
This page is intended to collect information on what things need to
change to re-brand Fedora to something else (e.g. RHEL).
[/quote]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Branding
[quote]
Both Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux are open source. Fedora is a
free distribution and community project and upstream for Red Hat
Enterprise Linux. Fedora is a general purpose system that gives Red Hat
and the rest of its contributor community the chance to innovate rapidly
with new technologies. Red Hat Enterprise Linux is a commercial
enterprise operating system and has its own set of test phases including
alpha and beta releaes which are separate and distinct from Fedora
development.
The cost of Red Hat Enterprise Linux comes from the subscription, which
provides assorted certifications and support for additional
architectures, as well as 7 years and more of enterprise support. Red
Hat also enhances its Red Hat Enterprise Linux offerings with additional
software and with certification programs.
More information on the release history and lineage is available at
History of Red Hat Linux.
When you purchase Red Hat Enterprise Linux, you are also helping to
support Fedora. Since Red Hat sponsors Fedora, what is good for Red Hat
is usually good for Fedora.
[/quote]
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#What.27s_the_difference_between_Fedora_and_Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux.3F
> Free as in speech != free as in beer.
The Pope is also Catholic, allegedly.
And in other breaking news, water is wet.
> But then you know that and are just trolling from the sewer which is
> c.o.l.a.
>> All distros and source code is free to download
>
> Really? Get me a copy of OEL for free then.
All Oracle Linux software is provided for free and can be downloaded
from Oracle Software Delivery Cloud.
[/quote]
https://shop.oracle.com/pls/ostore/f?p=dstore:product:2637410225369856::NO:RP,6:P6_LPI:4510275205461805728469
>> 97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold contains Linux.
>
> Uh, yeah, but who many people think when they buy a Kindle
We're not marketeers. We're not selling anything. So who gives a crap if
Linux isn't a household name? It's the most ubiquitous software in the
industry, because it's technically superior to the alternatives, because
it has open sources and allows modification, and because it's free (in
both sense). Those responsible for it can therefore take pride in their
accomplishment, and feel vindicated by the widespread adoption of their
work.
Mission accomplished.
Leave "brand" obsession to those who care about such things, like the
vendors selling billions of products powered by Linux every year. They
can call it Android or WebOS or Billy-Joe-Bob for all I care. Most of
them don't even bother with a name at all (e.g. most embedded devices).
All hail the nameless software that the entire fucking planet uses!
May they never, ever know its name.
Amen.
> I wish consumer electronics devices allowed us to use the four
> freedoms embodied in the software on them. But they almost invariably
> don't. They are non-free in both senses.
release the corresponding sources. As long as they do that, then they've
met their legal obligations.
As for companies that try to lock customers out of their legally
purchased property, I simply avoid that garbage. It's not like there
aren't plenty of choices. I don't own any Linux-powered hardware that
isn't hackable, and I never will.
> A lot of embedded devices still use, e.g., QNX. Some HP printers even
> use embedded Windows, horrifying though it is to imagine. (Most of their
> printers use LynxOS.)
is not exactly irreplaceable.
As for HP:
[quote]
Bruce Perens, HP's senior strategist on Linux and Open Source, put HP's
commitment to Embedded Linux this way: "Linux is now the standard
operating system platform for embedded systems at HP."
[/quote]
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-expands-commitment-to-Linux-in-devices/
HP is also one of the most committed and prolific developers and
supporters of Free Software in the industry:
http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/599999-0-0-0-121.html
http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/600004-0-0-0-121.html
> That should help encourage Linux use in the City then, which means
> more business for my employer and a smidge more job security :)
Figures.
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JeffM
Feb 9, 2012, 3:34:51 AM2/9/12
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chrisv wrote:
>Companies use FOSS [because] it is the most cost-effective solution
>
Governments do too.
Note New Hampshire's recent mandate for open standards.
FOSS will make serious inroads there as they realize that
the document formats they had been using aren't even compatible
with *different versions* of the apps they used to create those.
>Companies use FOSS [because] it is the most cost-effective solution
>
Governments do too.
Note New Hampshire's recent mandate for open standards.
FOSS will make serious inroads there as they realize that
the document formats they had been using aren't even compatible
with *different versions* of the apps they used to create those.
chrisv
Feb 9, 2012, 8:13:25 AM2/9/12
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smart-phones and tablets that they are getting-along just fine without
Micro$oft Windwoes.
DFS
Feb 9, 2012, 9:38:11 AM2/9/12
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can be reasonably measured or estimated. No more.
What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of Linux
installations that were actually performed and chosen by end users
because they were Linux.
Ouch!
JEDIDIAH
Feb 9, 2012, 2:01:34 PM2/9/12
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So are arcane "green screen" interfaces.
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It's only publishers who think that people own it." |||
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Ezekiel
Feb 9, 2012, 2:44:03 PM2/9/12
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"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrnjj860...@nomad.mishnet...
> On 2012-02-09, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> MS and Apple are VERY GOOD for the people - the same people who
>> willingly put them in the place they are today.
>
> Yes. Manual memory mangement is "good for the people".
Sniffing low-grade airplane glue was clearly not very good for you.
>>
>>
>> MS and Apple are VERY GOOD for the people - the same people who
>> willingly put them in the place they are today.
>
> Yes. Manual memory mangement is "good for the people".
WTF are you talking about this time? Are you that dense that you think that
Windows/OSX does manual memory management or are you merely having a
flash-back from the last millennium.
Homer
Feb 9, 2012, 3:13:28 PM2/9/12
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Criminal sympathiser DFS spake thusly:
Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing agreement,
which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every PC shipped,
even if it didn't include Windows.
[/quote]
http://news.cnet.com/Gateway-exec-Microsoft-too-powerful/2100-1016_3-868413.html
[quote]
The case In re Apple iPod iTunes Antitrust Litigation was filed as a
class-action in 2005 claiming Apple violated the U.S. antitrust statutes
in operating a music-downloading monopoly that it created by changing
its software design to the proprietary FairPlay encoding in 2004,
resulting in other vendors' music files being incompatible with and thus
inoperable on the iPod.[2] The suit initially alleged that five days
after RealNetworks released in 2004 its Harmony technology making its
music playable on iPods, Apple changed its software such that the
RealNetworks music would no longer play on iPods. The claims of Apple's
changes to its encoding and its refusal to license FairPlay technology
to other companies were dismissed by the court 2009, but the allegation
of Apple's monopoly on the iPod's music download capabilities between
2004 and 2009 remain as of April 2011.
[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#Apple_iPod.2C_iTunes_antitrust_litigation
"Willingly" my ass.
Face it, DooFy, you're just a gangster groupie, aren't you?
>
> MS and Apple are VERY GOOD for the people - the same people who
> willingly put them in the place they are today.
[quote]
> MS and Apple are VERY GOOD for the people - the same people who
> willingly put them in the place they are today.
Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing agreement,
which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every PC shipped,
even if it didn't include Windows.
[/quote]
http://news.cnet.com/Gateway-exec-Microsoft-too-powerful/2100-1016_3-868413.html
[quote]
The case In re Apple iPod iTunes Antitrust Litigation was filed as a
class-action in 2005 claiming Apple violated the U.S. antitrust statutes
in operating a music-downloading monopoly that it created by changing
its software design to the proprietary FairPlay encoding in 2004,
resulting in other vendors' music files being incompatible with and thus
inoperable on the iPod.[2] The suit initially alleged that five days
after RealNetworks released in 2004 its Harmony technology making its
music playable on iPods, Apple changed its software such that the
RealNetworks music would no longer play on iPods. The claims of Apple's
changes to its encoding and its refusal to license FairPlay technology
to other companies were dismissed by the court 2009, but the allegation
of Apple's monopoly on the iPod's music download capabilities between
2004 and 2009 remain as of April 2011.
[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#Apple_iPod.2C_iTunes_antitrust_litigation
"Willingly" my ass.
Face it, DooFy, you're just a gangster groupie, aren't you?
DFS
Feb 9, 2012, 3:24:07 PM2/9/12
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Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
marc
Feb 9, 2012, 3:28:06 PM2/9/12
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chrisv wrote:
> What's good for the company is good for the shareholder.
I don't want shareholders, they are fucking crazy. They told a story "to
> What's good for the company is good for the shareholder.
create a higher revenue, the product doesn't need to be very good ../
effective / efficient". You'll understand why.
They also don't want true automatisation ...
DFS
Feb 9, 2012, 3:46:36 PM2/9/12
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On 2/9/2012 3:13 PM, Homer wrote:
> Criminal sympathiser DFS spake thusly:
>>
>> MS and Apple are VERY GOOD for the people - the same people who
>> willingly put them in the place they are today.
>
> [quote]
> Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing agreement,
> which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every PC shipped,
> even if it didn't include Windows.
> [/quote]
>
> http://news.cnet.com/Gateway-exec-Microsoft-too-powerful/2100-1016_3-868413.html
I missed the part where Gateway or anyone else was required ("forced" as
> Criminal sympathiser DFS spake thusly:
>>
>> MS and Apple are VERY GOOD for the people - the same people who
>> willingly put them in the place they are today.
>
> [quote]
> Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing agreement,
> which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every PC shipped,
> even if it didn't include Windows.
> [/quote]
>
> http://news.cnet.com/Gateway-exec-Microsoft-too-powerful/2100-1016_3-868413.html
you cola idiots like to babble) to enter into the licensing agreement.
Show me where that happened.
Or slink away as you usually do.
> [quote]
> The case In re Apple iPod iTunes Antitrust Litigation was filed as a
> class-action in 2005 claiming Apple violated the U.S. antitrust statutes
> in operating a music-downloading monopoly that it created by changing
> its software design to the proprietary FairPlay encoding in 2004,
> resulting in other vendors' music files being incompatible with and thus
> inoperable on the iPod.[2] The suit initially alleged that five days
> after RealNetworks released in 2004 its Harmony technology making its
> music playable on iPods, Apple changed its software such that the
> RealNetworks music would no longer play on iPods. The claims of Apple's
> changes to its encoding and its refusal to license FairPlay technology
> to other companies were dismissed by the court 2009, but the allegation
> of Apple's monopoly on the iPod's music download capabilities between
> 2004 and 2009 remain as of April 2011.
> [/quote]
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#Apple_iPod.2C_iTunes_antitrust_litigation
>
> "Willingly" my ass.
at MS and Apple. Every cent of it willingly.
Apple recently became the biggest company in the world (market cap)
selling a relative handful of products and accessories. It's absolutely
incredible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Apple_products
> Face it, DooFy, you're just a gangster groupie, aren't you?
JEDIDIAH
Feb 9, 2012, 4:30:12 PM2/9/12
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On 2012-02-09, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 2/9/2012 2:44 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>> "JEDIDIAH"<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>> news:slrnjj860...@nomad.mishnet...
>>> On 2012-02-09, DFS<nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MS and Apple are VERY GOOD for the people - the same people who
>>>> willingly put them in the place they are today.
>>>
>>> Yes. Manual memory mangement is "good for the people".
>>
>> Sniffing low-grade airplane glue was clearly not very good for you.
>>
>> WTF are you talking about this time? Are you that dense that you think that
>> Windows/OSX does manual memory management or are you merely having a
>> flash-back from the last millennium.
>
>
> Linux bozos like JED have to reminisce about the past, 'cause their
> Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
If an argument is valid now then it would be no less valid if applied in the past.
> On 2/9/2012 2:44 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>> "JEDIDIAH"<je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
>> news:slrnjj860...@nomad.mishnet...
>>> On 2012-02-09, DFS<nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MS and Apple are VERY GOOD for the people - the same people who
>>>> willingly put them in the place they are today.
>>>
>>> Yes. Manual memory mangement is "good for the people".
>>
>> Sniffing low-grade airplane glue was clearly not very good for you.
>>
>> WTF are you talking about this time? Are you that dense that you think that
>> Windows/OSX does manual memory management or are you merely having a
>> flash-back from the last millennium.
>
>
> Linux bozos like JED have to reminisce about the past, 'cause their
> Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
If an argument is clearly bogus in the past, then it doesn't look so good in the present.
Chris Ahlstrom
Feb 9, 2012, 5:16:56 PM2/9/12
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JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> On 2012-02-09, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> Linux bozos like JED have to reminisce about the past, 'cause their
>> Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
*LMAO*
Manual memory management was the past with DOS and Windows, not with
UNIX.
And today, Linux and its offshoots are more used than ever!
Bleak?
The only thing bleak is the prospects of DFS and Zeke.
> If an argument is valid now then it would be no less valid if
> applied in the past.
>
> If an argument is clearly bogus in the past, then it doesn't look
> so good in the present.
GNU/Linux is making the trolls crazy. Even with vast forces arrayed
against it, its openness, freedom, and quality keeps it moving forward.
Nay! Expanding!
--
Whatever all that means . The facts are simple : Open office is slow,
kludgy and buggy. For simple stuff its fine. For "free" it's fine. For
working with the "standard" (MS Word formats) its simply not up to it.
-- "Hadron" <h70tqm$2td$2...@news.eternal-september.org>
> On 2012-02-09, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> Linux bozos like JED have to reminisce about the past, 'cause their
>> Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
Manual memory management was the past with DOS and Windows, not with
UNIX.
And today, Linux and its offshoots are more used than ever!
Bleak?
The only thing bleak is the prospects of DFS and Zeke.
> If an argument is valid now then it would be no less valid if
> applied in the past.
>
> If an argument is clearly bogus in the past, then it doesn't look
> so good in the present.
against it, its openness, freedom, and quality keeps it moving forward.
Nay! Expanding!
--
Whatever all that means . The facts are simple : Open office is slow,
kludgy and buggy. For simple stuff its fine. For "free" it's fine. For
working with the "standard" (MS Word formats) its simply not up to it.
-- "Hadron" <h70tqm$2td$2...@news.eternal-september.org>
Foster
Feb 9, 2012, 8:02:32 PM2/9/12
to
On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:11:43 -0700, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> Amen to that. I am running Thunderbird 10.0 under Ubuntu Linux v10.04
> LTS. There's more Linux out there than Microsoft or the Wintrolls who
> have invaded c.o.l.advocacy would like to admit.
There's tons of Linux "out there".
> Amen to that. I am running Thunderbird 10.0 under Ubuntu Linux v10.04
> LTS. There's more Linux out there than Microsoft or the Wintrolls who
> have invaded c.o.l.advocacy would like to admit.
What isn't "out there" is users.........
Foster
Feb 9, 2012, 8:03:42 PM2/9/12
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On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 17:16:56 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> GNU/Linux is making the trolls crazy.
Crazy with laughter.
> GNU/Linux is making the trolls crazy.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
DFS
Feb 9, 2012, 8:21:28 PM2/9/12
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And who needs users when you have 675 distros!
Ezekiel
Feb 10, 2012, 8:14:03 AM2/10/12
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"JEDIDIAH" <je...@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
> On 2012-02-09, DFS <nos...@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 2/9/2012 2:44 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Manual memory mangement is "good for the people".
>>>
>>> Sniffing low-grade airplane glue was clearly not very good for you.
>>>
>>> WTF are you talking about this time? Are you that dense that you think
>>> that
>>> Windows/OSX does manual memory management or are you merely having a
>>> flash-back from the last millennium.
>>
>>
>> Linux bozos like JED have to reminisce about the past, 'cause their
>> Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
>
> If an argument is valid now then it would be no less valid if applied
> in the past.
>
> If an argument is clearly bogus in the past, then it doesn't look so
> good in the present.
More stupid rhymes and riddles from JED. And once again his latest glue
>> On 2/9/2012 2:44 PM, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Manual memory mangement is "good for the people".
>>>
>>> Sniffing low-grade airplane glue was clearly not very good for you.
>>>
>>> WTF are you talking about this time? Are you that dense that you think
>>> that
>>> Windows/OSX does manual memory management or are you merely having a
>>> flash-back from the last millennium.
>>
>>
>> Linux bozos like JED have to reminisce about the past, 'cause their
>> Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
>
> If an argument is valid now then it would be no less valid if applied
> in the past.
>
> If an argument is clearly bogus in the past, then it doesn't look so
> good in the present.
induced rambling can easily be proven wrong.
- "If an argument is valid now then it would be no less valid if applied in
the past."
"Hand held smart phones give people the ability to access the internet every
where they go." Tell us JED, how valid is this argument when applied to the
1990's like your moronic "manual memory management" statement?
Foster
Feb 10, 2012, 8:31:32 AM2/10/12
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Linux is like a person buying a bank building in some old western
ghost town.
So now he runs around telling people how he owns a bank to which
they reply, yea George now all you need is the money to fill it up.
chrisv
Feb 10, 2012, 8:37:18 AM2/10/12
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> some shitwitted wrote:
>>
>> MS and Apple are VERY GOOD for the people
Only a bald-faced liar would claim so.
>>
>> MS and Apple are VERY GOOD for the people
Companies that seek to monopolize, denying the consumer of choice and
denying the market of the benefits of healthy competition, are *not*
good for *anyone* except those who are invested in that company, and,
perhaps, those "lucky few" who are ideally served by the monopoly's
limited product offerings.
chrisv
Feb 10, 2012, 9:32:26 AM2/10/12
to
Ezekiel wrote:
>>>>> Yes. Manual memory mangement is "good for the people".
>>>>
>>>> Sniffing low-grade airplane glue was clearly not very good for you.
>>>>
>>>> WTF are you talking about this time? Are you that dense that you think
>>>> that
>>>> Windows/OSX does manual memory management or are you merely having a
>>>> flash-back from the last millennium.
>>>
>>>
>>> Linux bozos like JED have to reminisce about the past, 'cause their
>>> Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
>>
>> If an argument is valid now then it would be no less valid if applied
>> in the past.
>>
>> If an argument is clearly bogus in the past, then it doesn't look so
>> good in the present.
>
>More stupid rhymes and riddles from JED. And once again his latest glue
>induced rambling can easily be proven wrong.
Hahaha. Once again, JED leaves the trolls in his wake, sucking fumes,
>>>>> Yes. Manual memory mangement is "good for the people".
>>>>
>>>> Sniffing low-grade airplane glue was clearly not very good for you.
>>>>
>>>> WTF are you talking about this time? Are you that dense that you think
>>>> that
>>>> Windows/OSX does manual memory management or are you merely having a
>>>> flash-back from the last millennium.
>>>
>>>
>>> Linux bozos like JED have to reminisce about the past, 'cause their
>>> Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
>>
>> If an argument is valid now then it would be no less valid if applied
>> in the past.
>>
>> If an argument is clearly bogus in the past, then it doesn't look so
>> good in the present.
>
>More stupid rhymes and riddles from JED. And once again his latest glue
>induced rambling can easily be proven wrong.
their inferiority clearly demonstrated in way that they are too stupid
to understand.
Some irony:
--
"But it's easier and way more fun just to make fun of the idiots. The
best thing is that they're too stupid to realize how ignorant they
really are." - trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel", attacking his moral and
intellectual superiors
William Poaster
Feb 10, 2012, 9:49:26 AM2/10/12
to
Here is a facsimile from chrisv who, on 10/2/2012 14:32, wrote:
> Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>>>>> Yes. Manual memory mangement is "good for the people".
>>>>>
>>>>> Sniffing low-grade airplane glue was clearly not very good for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF are you talking about this time? Are you that dense that you think
>>>>> that
>>>>> Windows/OSX does manual memory management or are you merely having a
>>>>> flash-back from the last millennium.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linux bozos like JED have to reminisce about the past, 'cause their
>>>> Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
>>>
>>> If an argument is valid now then it would be no less valid if applied
>>> in the past.
>>>
>>> If an argument is clearly bogus in the past, then it doesn't look so
>>> good in the present.
>>
>>More stupid rhymes and riddles from JED. And once again his latest glue
>>induced rambling can easily be proven wrong.
>
> Hahaha. Once again, JED leaves the trolls in his wake, sucking fumes,
> their inferiority clearly demonstrated in way that they are too stupid
> to understand.
Yup, JED's reply went way over the trolling M$ shill Zeke's head.
> Ezekiel wrote:
>
>>>>>> Yes. Manual memory mangement is "good for the people".
>>>>>
>>>>> Sniffing low-grade airplane glue was clearly not very good for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF are you talking about this time? Are you that dense that you think
>>>>> that
>>>>> Windows/OSX does manual memory management or are you merely having a
>>>>> flash-back from the last millennium.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linux bozos like JED have to reminisce about the past, 'cause their
>>>> Linux present and Linux future are so bleak.
>>>
>>> If an argument is valid now then it would be no less valid if applied
>>> in the past.
>>>
>>> If an argument is clearly bogus in the past, then it doesn't look so
>>> good in the present.
>>
>>More stupid rhymes and riddles from JED. And once again his latest glue
>>induced rambling can easily be proven wrong.
>
> Hahaha. Once again, JED leaves the trolls in his wake, sucking fumes,
> their inferiority clearly demonstrated in way that they are too stupid
> to understand.
--
Klingon Prime Directive: Shoot it!
Most people are sheep.
Microsoft is very effective
at fleecing the flockers.
DFS
Feb 10, 2012, 9:51:41 AM2/10/12
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history, everyone was free to create and sell and use whatever OS they
wanted.
Who you trying to fool with your ignorant "lucky few"? The whole world
ran throwing their money at Microsoft.
Ezekiel
Feb 10, 2012, 9:57:02 AM2/10/12
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"DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:jh3au8$agd$7...@dont-email.me...
earn their living either directly or indirectly because of companies like
Microsoft and Apple. Here's one such example:
- "I buy a lot of Windows PC's to use as test stations, and I've been buying
refurbished XP machines and have no plans to change."
chrisv
Feb 10, 2012, 10:20:04 AM2/10/12
to
Ezekiel wrote:
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> Companies that seek to monopolize, denying the consumer of choice and
>>> denying the market of the benefits of healthy competition, are *not*
>>> good for *anyone* except those who are invested in that company, and,
>>> perhaps, those "lucky few" who are ideally served by the monopoly's
>>> limited product offerings.
>
The fact that many people have made money in the Micro$oft ecosystem
does *not* mean that their overall impact has been good. It does not
rebut my point *at all*, you *stupid* pile of shit.
Now, shall I (again) slap you all over USENET with a lesson in basic
economics, or should I simply state that it is a *fact* that
competitive markets are the best?
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> Companies that seek to monopolize, denying the consumer of choice and
>>> denying the market of the benefits of healthy competition, are *not*
>>> good for *anyone* except those who are invested in that company, and,
>>> perhaps, those "lucky few" who are ideally served by the monopoly's
>>> limited product offerings.
>
>There are thousands of companies and millions of people around the world who
>earn their living either directly or indirectly because of companies like
>Microsoft and Apple.
Jeezez, you are a slimey, filthy asshole, "Ezekiel".
>earn their living either directly or indirectly because of companies like
>Microsoft and Apple.
The fact that many people have made money in the Micro$oft ecosystem
does *not* mean that their overall impact has been good. It does not
rebut my point *at all*, you *stupid* pile of shit.
Now, shall I (again) slap you all over USENET with a lesson in basic
economics, or should I simply state that it is a *fact* that
competitive markets are the best?
Big Steel
Feb 10, 2012, 10:23:29 AM2/10/12
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Ezekiel
Feb 10, 2012, 10:38:23 AM2/10/12
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"Big Steel" <BigS...@SteelBig11.net> wrote in message
news:R7CdnVdGw__lq6jS...@earthlink.com...
> On 2/10/2012 10:20 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Companies that seek to monopolize, denying the consumer of choice and
>>>>> denying the market of the benefits of healthy competition, are *not*
>>>>> good for *anyone* except those who are invested in that company, and,
>>>>> perhaps, those "lucky few" who are ideally served by the monopoly's
>>>>> limited product offerings.
>>>
>>> There are thousands of companies and millions of people around the world
>>> who
>>> earn their living either directly or indirectly because of companies
>>> like
>>> Microsoft and Apple.
>>
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Companies that seek to monopolize, denying the consumer of choice and
>>>>> denying the market of the benefits of healthy competition, are *not*
>>>>> good for *anyone* except those who are invested in that company, and,
>>>>> perhaps, those "lucky few" who are ideally served by the monopoly's
>>>>> limited product offerings.
>>>
>>> There are thousands of companies and millions of people around the world
>>> who
>>> earn their living either directly or indirectly because of companies
>>> like
>>> Microsoft and Apple.
>>
> Someone tell him to quit his MS job and see where it gets him.
I must have stepped in a pile of "chrisv" this morning on my way to the
train this morning. Evidently that worthless piece of shit is still
stalking me. Shouldn't the turd be out there cooking burgers or changing a
toner cartridge or whatever else it is that uneducated idiots do?
Big Steel
Feb 10, 2012, 10:44:14 AM2/10/12
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GreyCloud
Feb 10, 2012, 1:15:26 PM2/10/12
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Who did you buy it from?
Foster
Feb 10, 2012, 1:33:52 PM2/10/12
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:32:26 -0600, chrisv wrote:
> Hahaha. Once again, JED leaves the trolls in his wake, sucking fumes
We keep telling him to put the lid back on his glue bottle but he
> Hahaha. Once again, JED leaves the trolls in his wake, sucking fumes
refuses to listen.
Foster
Feb 10, 2012, 1:34:20 PM2/10/12
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:49:26 +0000, William Poaster wrote:
> Yup, JED's reply went way over the trolling M$ shill Zeke's head.
That was just the vapors from the glue Jed sniffs.
> Yup, JED's reply went way over the trolling M$ shill Zeke's head.
JEDIDIAH
Feb 10, 2012, 2:05:45 PM2/10/12
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--
Negligence will never equal intent, no matter how you
attempt to distort reality to do so. This is what separates |||
the real butchers from average Joes (or Fritzes) caught up in / | \
events not in their control.
GreyCloud
Feb 10, 2012, 4:37:45 PM2/10/12
to
JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2012-02-10, Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:49:26 +0000, William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Yup, JED's reply went way over the trolling M$ shill Zeke's head.
>> That was just the vapors from the glue Jed sniffs.
>
> I don't think I've heard that one since middle school.
>
Maybe you ought to put the cap back on the glue then.
> On 2012-02-10, Foster <frankf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:49:26 +0000, William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Yup, JED's reply went way over the trolling M$ shill Zeke's head.
>> That was just the vapors from the glue Jed sniffs.
>
> I don't think I've heard that one since middle school.
>
It has been a while hasn't it?
Foster
Feb 10, 2012, 5:10:46 PM2/10/12
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High Plains Thumper
Feb 10, 2012, 9:20:48 PM2/10/12
to
DFS wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Curlytop wrote:
>>> 7 set the following:
>>>
>>>> Time to use the opportunity to switch to Linux en mass for good.
>>>
>>> Been there, done that. This post is brought to you by KNode under SuSE
>>> Linux v11.1.
> can be reasonably measured or estimated. No more.
>
> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of Linux
> installations that were actually performed and chosen by end users
> because they were Linux.
>
> Ouch!
Straight from the Chair's Little Redmond Book:
Microsoft Evangelism Plaintiff Exhibit 3096: "Our mission is to
establish Microsoft's platforms as the de facto standards throughout the
computer industry.... Working behind the scenes to orchestrate
"independent" praise of our technology, and damnation of the enemy's, is
a key evangelism function during the Slog."
http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf
--
HPT
> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>> Curlytop wrote:
>>> 7 set the following:
>>>
>>>> Time to use the opportunity to switch to Linux en mass for good.
>>>
>>> Been there, done that. This post is brought to you by KNode under SuSE
>>> Linux v11.1.
>>
>> Amen to that. I am running Thunderbird 10.0 under Ubuntu Linux v10.04
>> LTS. There's more Linux out there than Microsoft or the Wintrolls who
>> have invaded c.o.l.advocacy would like to admit.
>
> No HPT, there is not. There is only the amount of Linux out there that
>> Amen to that. I am running Thunderbird 10.0 under Ubuntu Linux v10.04
>> LTS. There's more Linux out there than Microsoft or the Wintrolls who
>> have invaded c.o.l.advocacy would like to admit.
>
> can be reasonably measured or estimated. No more.
>
> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of Linux
> installations that were actually performed and chosen by end users
> because they were Linux.
>
> Ouch!
Straight from the Chair's Little Redmond Book:
Microsoft Evangelism Plaintiff Exhibit 3096: "Our mission is to
establish Microsoft's platforms as the de facto standards throughout the
computer industry.... Working behind the scenes to orchestrate
"independent" praise of our technology, and damnation of the enemy's, is
a key evangelism function during the Slog."
http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf
--
HPT
Homer
Feb 10, 2012, 10:30:38 PM2/10/12
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Gangster supporter DFS snarled:
alter the fact that people choose those products specifically because of
the benefits facilitated by Linux, even if they have no idea it's called
"Linux". Free Software does not aspire to fame and fortune. The branding
is irrelevant. All that matters is the freedom, no matter what name it's
given. Leave it to racketeers like Microsoft to sweat over publicity for
their "branded" garbage.
What /is/ known for certain, and indeed as a matter of court records, is
that almost /no/ Windows installations on prebuilt PCs are /ever/ chosen
because of Windows, simply because PC customers are never even offered a
choice of OS by Microsoft's racketeering "partners".
[quote]
Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing agreement,
which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every PC shipped,
even if it didn't include Windows.
[/quote]
"Ouch" indeed.
--
K. | "You see? You cannot kill me. There is no flesh
http://slated.org | and blood within this cloak to kill. There is
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on šky | only an idea. And ideas are bulletproof."
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 9 days | ~ V for Vendetta.
>
> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of Linux
> installations that were actually performed and chosen by end users
> because they were Linux.
>
> Ouch!
That isn't "certain" at all, but even if it were, that would not somehow
> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of Linux
> installations that were actually performed and chosen by end users
> because they were Linux.
>
> Ouch!
alter the fact that people choose those products specifically because of
the benefits facilitated by Linux, even if they have no idea it's called
"Linux". Free Software does not aspire to fame and fortune. The branding
is irrelevant. All that matters is the freedom, no matter what name it's
given. Leave it to racketeers like Microsoft to sweat over publicity for
their "branded" garbage.
What /is/ known for certain, and indeed as a matter of court records, is
that almost /no/ Windows installations on prebuilt PCs are /ever/ chosen
because of Windows, simply because PC customers are never even offered a
choice of OS by Microsoft's racketeering "partners".
[quote]
Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing agreement,
which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every PC shipped,
even if it didn't include Windows.
[/quote]
--
K. | "You see? You cannot kill me. There is no flesh
http://slated.org | and blood within this cloak to kill. There is
Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on šky | only an idea. And ideas are bulletproof."
kernel 2.6.31.5, up 9 days | ~ V for Vendetta.
Snit
Feb 11, 2012, 12:45:53 AM2/11/12
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Homer stated in post uv3h09-...@sky.matrix on 2/10/12 8:30 PM:
> Gangster supporter DFS snarled:
>>
>> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of Linux
>> installations that were actually performed and chosen by end users
>> because they were Linux.
>>
>> Ouch!
>
> That isn't "certain" at all, but even if it were, that would not somehow
> alter the fact that people choose those products specifically because of
> the benefits facilitated by Linux, even if they have no idea it's called
> "Linux". Free Software does not aspire to fame and fortune. The branding
> is irrelevant. All that matters is the freedom, no matter what name it's
> given. Leave it to racketeers like Microsoft to sweat over publicity for
> their "branded" garbage.
You are completely against having brands... which is just loony in my view.
> What /is/ known for certain, and indeed as a matter of court records, is
> that almost /no/ Windows installations on prebuilt PCs are /ever/ chosen
> because of Windows, simply because PC customers are never even offered a
> choice of OS by Microsoft's racketeering "partners".
That is a lie... based on data from well over a decade ago.
> [quote]
> Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing agreement,
> which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every PC shipped,
> even if it didn't include Windows.
> [/quote]
>
> "Ouch" indeed.
Oh no! A decade ago something bad happened at one company.
One brand.
So what? Brands do not matter to you... remember?
--
🙈🙉🙊
> Gangster supporter DFS snarled:
>>
>> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of Linux
>> installations that were actually performed and chosen by end users
>> because they were Linux.
>>
>> Ouch!
>
> That isn't "certain" at all, but even if it were, that would not somehow
> alter the fact that people choose those products specifically because of
> the benefits facilitated by Linux, even if they have no idea it's called
> "Linux". Free Software does not aspire to fame and fortune. The branding
> is irrelevant. All that matters is the freedom, no matter what name it's
> given. Leave it to racketeers like Microsoft to sweat over publicity for
> their "branded" garbage.
> What /is/ known for certain, and indeed as a matter of court records, is
> that almost /no/ Windows installations on prebuilt PCs are /ever/ chosen
> because of Windows, simply because PC customers are never even offered a
> choice of OS by Microsoft's racketeering "partners".
> [quote]
> Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing agreement,
> which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every PC shipped,
> even if it didn't include Windows.
> [/quote]
>
> "Ouch" indeed.
One brand.
So what? Brands do not matter to you... remember?
--
🙈🙉🙊
RonB
Feb 11, 2012, 1:06:32 AM2/11/12
to
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:30:38 +0000, Homer wrote:
> Gangster supporter DFS snarled:
>>
>> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of Linux
>> installations that were actually performed and chosen by end users
>> because they were Linux.
>>
>> Ouch!
>
> That isn't "certain" at all, but even if it were, that would not somehow
> alter the fact that people choose those products specifically because of
> the benefits facilitated by Linux, even if they have no idea it's called
> "Linux". Free Software does not aspire to fame and fortune. The branding
> is irrelevant. All that matters is the freedom, no matter what name it's
> given. Leave it to racketeers like Microsoft to sweat over publicity for
> their "branded" garbage.
>
> What /is/ known for certain, and indeed as a matter of court records, is
> that almost /no/ Windows installations on prebuilt PCs are /ever/ chosen
> because of Windows, simply because PC customers are never even offered a
> choice of OS by Microsoft's racketeering "partners".
>
> [quote]
> Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing agreement,
> which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every PC shipped,
> even if it didn't include Windows.
> [/quote]
>
> "Ouch" indeed.
Again, if the millions and millions of Linux users were really as
> Gangster supporter DFS snarled:
>>
>> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of Linux
>> installations that were actually performed and chosen by end users
>> because they were Linux.
>>
>> Ouch!
>
> That isn't "certain" at all, but even if it were, that would not somehow
> alter the fact that people choose those products specifically because of
> the benefits facilitated by Linux, even if they have no idea it's called
> "Linux". Free Software does not aspire to fame and fortune. The branding
> is irrelevant. All that matters is the freedom, no matter what name it's
> given. Leave it to racketeers like Microsoft to sweat over publicity for
> their "branded" garbage.
>
> What /is/ known for certain, and indeed as a matter of court records, is
> that almost /no/ Windows installations on prebuilt PCs are /ever/ chosen
> because of Windows, simply because PC customers are never even offered a
> choice of OS by Microsoft's racketeering "partners".
>
> [quote]
> Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing agreement,
> which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every PC shipped,
> even if it didn't include Windows.
> [/quote]
>
> "Ouch" indeed.
"minuscule" as the trolls keep claiming, then the joke is on them as they
are wasting their life trolling against a total non-threat. Of course,
like Redmond and Cupertino, they know better. They attack what they
consider to be a major threat to their corporate masters.
--
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.7 or VectorLinux Deluxe 6.0
or Linux Mint 10
Big Steel
Feb 11, 2012, 1:15:21 AM2/11/12
to
On 2/11/2012 1:06 AM, RonB wrote:
> They attack what they
> consider to be a major threat to their corporate masters.
>
I bet this clown works for a corporation, paying bills and putting food
> They attack what they
> consider to be a major threat to their corporate masters.
>
on the table here in the US. It may be Taco Bell, but nevertheless, it's
a corporation.
DFS
Feb 11, 2012, 1:16:58 AM2/11/12
to
work for Microsoft.
Jeff-Relf.Me
Feb 11, 2012, 6:55:51 AM2/11/12
to
You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
« If the money was right, every single one of
these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
What I enjoy most is writing code for myself.
Next best would be code for a close friend,
and so on down the line.
You'd have to pay me a shit load of money ( you wouldn't ),
and I'd have to want a shit load of money ( I wouldn't ),
before I'd write code for nameless millions.
While I live 15 minutes from MicroSoft's headquarters,
and I use/enjoy Visual C++ 10, Excel and Word every day,
working for MicroSoft would be my last choice.
And the feeling is mutual, MicroSoft wouldn't hire me.
While Linus says, "I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease",
I say, "Railing against MicoSoft is too silly for me."
Chris Ahlstrom
Feb 11, 2012, 7:17:26 AM2/11/12
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High Plains Thumper wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
Yup. Even today you have to be a motivated user in order to get Linux
on your computer. You either have to download, burn, and run a Linux
distro installer and master the rudiments of a new OS, or look around on
the net to find a vendor willing to provide Linux without charging you a
premium for it.
Windows? Just wander into Walmart, fer cripe sake.
DFS is a dazed Microsoftsymp thug. (Yes, that's ad hominem. Well sort of.)
--
Technology is just a tool. In terms of getting the kids working together and
motivating them, the teacher is the most important.
-- Bill Gates
on your computer. You either have to download, burn, and run a Linux
distro installer and master the rudiments of a new OS, or look around on
the net to find a vendor willing to provide Linux without charging you a
premium for it.
Windows? Just wander into Walmart, fer cripe sake.
DFS is a dazed Microsoftsymp thug. (Yes, that's ad hominem. Well sort of.)
--
Technology is just a tool. In terms of getting the kids working together and
motivating them, the teacher is the most important.
-- Bill Gates
Big Steel
Feb 11, 2012, 8:11:24 AM2/11/12
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instances their so called "corporate masters". And if the money is right
MS or not, these babbling clowns would work and/are working for a
corporation.
They may be acting and looking like fools here in COLA in denial about
everything corporation, but in real life where it counts, they are
dancing a different tune, and it's a corporate tune they are dancing to.
Foster
Feb 11, 2012, 9:33:52 AM2/11/12
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These COLA Linux people are the ultimate hypocrites.
Foster
Feb 11, 2012, 9:35:03 AM2/11/12
to
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:17:26 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Yup. Even today you have to be a motivated user in order to get Linux
> on your computer.
Or extremely ignorant.
> Yup. Even today you have to be a motivated user in order to get Linux
> on your computer.
DFS
Feb 11, 2012, 9:44:20 AM2/11/12
to
Chris Ahlstrom
Feb 11, 2012, 10:21:25 AM2/11/12
to
Jeff-Relf.Me wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
Or even a million.
> What I enjoy most is writing code for myself.
> Next best would be code for a close friend,
> and so on down the line.
I love the craft of coding. It is even more fun than transcibing music
to MIDI.
> While Linus says, "I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease",
> I say, "Railing against MicoSoft is too silly for me."
Still, the company needs some pushback, desperately.
--
Meanwhile in the real world it will probably become the tablet of
choice. Super screen, wonderful UI and the quality and support (sw and
hW) that Apple are synonymous with. At the same time people will gripe
about Linux based OLPCs being ignored by everyone except African kids
and claim that the spongy keyboard, low res screen and rubbish sound are
fine and who needs better anyway?
The OLPC2 thing looks quite nice. But for a 100 bucks? HW is not free
even HW that doesn't need Windows. You get what you pay for.
Want a Linux laptop? Goto ebay and buy a 5-10 year old Thinkpad. The X
series is excellent.
-- "Hadron" <hhcimu$4oi$1...@hadron.eternal-september.org>
>
> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
> « If the money was right, every single one of
> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars.
> « If the money was right, every single one of
> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
Or even a million.
> What I enjoy most is writing code for myself.
> Next best would be code for a close friend,
> and so on down the line.
to MIDI.
> While Linus says, "I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease",
> I say, "Railing against MicoSoft is too silly for me."
--
Meanwhile in the real world it will probably become the tablet of
choice. Super screen, wonderful UI and the quality and support (sw and
hW) that Apple are synonymous with. At the same time people will gripe
about Linux based OLPCs being ignored by everyone except African kids
and claim that the spongy keyboard, low res screen and rubbish sound are
fine and who needs better anyway?
The OLPC2 thing looks quite nice. But for a 100 bucks? HW is not free
even HW that doesn't need Windows. You get what you pay for.
Want a Linux laptop? Goto ebay and buy a 5-10 year old Thinkpad. The X
series is excellent.
-- "Hadron" <hhcimu$4oi$1...@hadron.eternal-september.org>
Torre Starnes
Feb 11, 2012, 10:23:19 AM2/11/12
to
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:21:25 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>
>> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
>> « If the money was right, every single one of
>> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
>
> I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars.
>
> Or even a million.
Liar.
> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>
>> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
>> « If the money was right, every single one of
>> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
>
> I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars.
>
> Or even a million.
What is it with you Linux vermin and telling lies?
You're as bad as Jeb who claimed he wouldn't take a $100,000
Corvette given to him for free.
Both of you are liars.
You don't have to worry though Chris Ahlstrom, because Microsoft
Corporation wouldn't neve hire you in the first place.
> I love the craft of coding. It is even more fun than transcibing music
> to MIDI.
Any examples?
This I just have to hear.
DFS
Feb 11, 2012, 10:39:21 AM2/11/12
to
On 2/11/2012 10:21 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>
>> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
>> « If the money was right, every single one of
>> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
>
> I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars.
>
> Or even a million.
You'd work for them for twice your salary, in a heartbeat.
> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>
>> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
>> « If the money was right, every single one of
>> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
>
> I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars.
>
> Or even a million.
You've already spent 20 years helping Windows become and remain the
dominant OS.
High Plains Thumper
Feb 11, 2012, 11:08:12 AM2/11/12
to
Homer wrote:
> Gangster supporter DFS snarled:
>>
>> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of
>> Linux installations that were actually performed and chosen by end
>> users because they were Linux.
>>
>> Ouch!
>
> That isn't "certain" at all, but even if it were, that would not
> somehow alter the fact that people choose those products specifically
> because of the benefits facilitated by Linux, even if they have no
> idea it's called "Linux". Free Software does not aspire to fame and
> fortune. The branding is irrelevant. All that matters is the freedom,
> no matter what name it's given. Leave it to racketeers like Microsoft
> to sweat over publicity for their "branded" garbage.
>
> What /is/ known for certain, and indeed as a matter of court records,
> is that almost /no/ Windows installations on prebuilt PCs are /ever/
> chosen because of Windows, simply because PC customers are never even
> offered a choice of OS by Microsoft's racketeering "partners".
>
> [quote] Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing
> agreement, which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every
> PC shipped, even if it didn't include Windows. [/quote]
>
> "Ouch" indeed.
"Ouch" indeed, further evidence:
> Gangster supporter DFS snarled:
>>
>> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of
>> Linux installations that were actually performed and chosen by end
>> users because they were Linux.
>>
>> Ouch!
>
> That isn't "certain" at all, but even if it were, that would not
> somehow alter the fact that people choose those products specifically
> because of the benefits facilitated by Linux, even if they have no
> idea it's called "Linux". Free Software does not aspire to fame and
> fortune. The branding is irrelevant. All that matters is the freedom,
> no matter what name it's given. Leave it to racketeers like Microsoft
> to sweat over publicity for their "branded" garbage.
>
> What /is/ known for certain, and indeed as a matter of court records,
> is that almost /no/ Windows installations on prebuilt PCs are /ever/
> chosen because of Windows, simply because PC customers are never even
> offered a choice of OS by Microsoft's racketeering "partners".
>
> [quote] Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing
> agreement, which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every
> PC shipped, even if it didn't include Windows. [/quote]
>
> "Ouch" indeed.
[quote]
The first signs that Microsoft is coercing OEMs not to install separate
operating systems came from Jean-Louis Gassée, CEO of Be Inc. Gassée
promoted Be's BeOS not as an alternative to Windows, but wanted to
establish it in a mode of "peaceful coexistence" for special multimedia
applications such as video and sound editing. BeOS was touted for its
performance and usability. However, BeOS never gained significant market
share.
In several columns on the BeOS website, Gassée mentioned the bootloader
issue, for example:
I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at
my expense -- I deserve it.
While I rambled on about peace on the hard disk, Microsoft made it
lethal for a PC OEM to factory-install BeOS (or Linux, or FreeBSD) next
to Windows on the computer's hard disk. If you, as a PC OEM, don't use
the Windows boot manager or configure it to load Linux or BeOS, you lose
your Windows license and you're dead. That's why you can't buy a
multi-OS machine from Compaq, Dell, HP or anyone else for that matter.
(Yes, you can buy a Linux laptop from IBM, but not one that runs the
Windows Office applications you need or that can switch to Linux or BeOS
when you want.) [3]
In a newsletter article in 1999 [4], Gassée challenged Windows OEMs to
include BeOS together with Windows on one of their machines: "We end
with a real-life offer for any PC OEM that's willing to challenge the
monopoly: Load the BeOS on the hard disk so the user can see it when the
computer is first booted, and the license is free. Help us put a crack
in the wall."
No PC manufacturer ever followed the offer. The situation was analyzed
by BeOS user Scot Hacker in a column for the renowned computer magazine
BYTE [5]:
So why aren't there any dual-boot computers for sale? The answer
lies in the nature of the relationship Microsoft maintains with hardware
vendors. More specifically, in the "Windows License" agreed to by
hardware vendors who want to include Windows on the computers they sell.
This is not the license you pretend to read and click "I Accept" when
installing Windows. This license is not available online. This is a
confidential license, seen only by Microsoft and computer vendors. You
and I can't read the license because Microsoft classifies it as a "trade
secret." The license specifies that any machine which includes a
Microsoft operating system must not also offer a non-Microsoft operating
system as a boot option. In other words, a computer that offers to boot
into Windows upon startup cannot also offer to boot into BeOS or Linux.
The hardware vendor does not get to choose which OSes to install on the
machines they sell -- Microsoft does.
[/quote]
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/10/23/13219/110
--
HPT
GreyCloud
Feb 11, 2012, 12:49:15 PM2/11/12
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Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> 
> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
> « If the money was right, every single one of
> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
I hear Ballmer wields a wicked chair.
> 
> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
> « If the money was right, every single one of
> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
>
> What I enjoy most is writing code for myself.
> Next best would be code for a close friend,
> and so on down the line.
>
> You'd have to pay me a shit load of money ( you wouldn't ),
> and I'd have to want a shit load of money ( I wouldn't ),
> before I'd write code for nameless millions.
>
> While I live 15 minutes from MicroSoft's headquarters,
> and I use/enjoy Visual C++ 10, Excel and Word every day,
> working for MicroSoft would be my last choice.
>
> And the feeling is mutual, MicroSoft wouldn't hire me.
>
> While Linus says, "I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease",
> I say, "Railing against MicoSoft is too silly for me."
Well, if you could work for M$ you'd have to invest in a crash helmet.
> What I enjoy most is writing code for myself.
> Next best would be code for a close friend,
> and so on down the line.
>
> You'd have to pay me a shit load of money ( you wouldn't ),
> and I'd have to want a shit load of money ( I wouldn't ),
> before I'd write code for nameless millions.
>
> While I live 15 minutes from MicroSoft's headquarters,
> and I use/enjoy Visual C++ 10, Excel and Word every day,
> working for MicroSoft would be my last choice.
>
> And the feeling is mutual, MicroSoft wouldn't hire me.
>
> While Linus says, "I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease",
> I say, "Railing against MicoSoft is too silly for me."
I hear Ballmer wields a wicked chair.
Snit
Feb 11, 2012, 2:15:48 PM2/11/12
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RonB stated in post jh50h8$ak0$2...@dont-email.me on 2/10/12 11:06 PM:
What does this even mean? Corporate masters? You are not even trying to be
coherent any more.
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coherent any more.
--
🙈🙉🙊
JEDIDIAH
Feb 11, 2012, 3:55:42 PM2/11/12
to
On 2012-02-11, Torre Starnes <torre....@gmail.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:21:25 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>>
>>> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
>>> « If the money was right, every single one of
>>> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
>>
>> I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars.
>>
>> Or even a million.
>
> Liar.
>
> What is it with you Linux vermin and telling lies?
> You're as bad as Jeb who claimed he wouldn't take a $100,000
> Corvette given to him for free.
Some of us just have a less superficial view of things. Things
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:21:25 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>>
>>> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
>>> « If the money was right, every single one of
>>> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
>>
>> I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars.
>>
>> Or even a million.
>
> Liar.
>
> What is it with you Linux vermin and telling lies?
> You're as bad as Jeb who claimed he wouldn't take a $100,000
> Corvette given to him for free.
are quite often not nearly as simple as some people would like to
pretend they are.
[deletia]
Also, some things are gravely overhyped trash.
A Corvette is a great example of this.
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/ | \
DFS
Feb 11, 2012, 4:54:38 PM2/11/12
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You're sad, JED. Sad and confused.
DFS
Feb 11, 2012, 4:57:27 PM2/11/12
to
On 2/11/2012 2:15 PM, Snit wrote:
> RonB stated in post jh50h8$ak0$2...@dont-email.me on 2/10/12 11:06 PM:
> RonB stated in post jh50h8$ak0$2...@dont-email.me on 2/10/12 11:06 PM:
>> Again, if the millions and millions of Linux users were really as
>> "minuscule" as the trolls keep claiming, then the joke is on them
>> as they are wasting their life trolling against a total non-threat.
>> Of course, like Redmond and Cupertino, they know better. They
>> attack what they consider to be a major threat to their corporate
>> masters.
>
> What does this even mean? Corporate masters? You are not even
> trying to be coherent any more.
Fact is, most of us "trolls" don't even work for corporations. Zeke
>> "minuscule" as the trolls keep claiming, then the joke is on them
>> as they are wasting their life trolling against a total non-threat.
>> Of course, like Redmond and Cupertino, they know better. They
>> attack what they consider to be a major threat to their corporate
>> masters.
>
> What does this even mean? Corporate masters? You are not even
> trying to be coherent any more.
might, but I don't, Moshe doesn't, Hadron doesn't, Snit doesn't, Big
Steel doesn't, and Greycloud doesn't.
JED does, RonB does, Kohlmann does
As usual, an "advocate" blabs from a position of ignorance.
Snit
Feb 11, 2012, 5:13:35 PM2/11/12
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DFS stated in post jh6o8k$ept$4...@dont-email.me on 2/11/12 2:57 PM:
RonB is getting more and more paranoid and delusional. Really... his iCult
BS and weird corporate paranoia is a sign of him breaking down.
--
🙈🙉🙊
BS and weird corporate paranoia is a sign of him breaking down.
--
🙈🙉🙊
Ezekiel
Feb 11, 2012, 5:14:24 PM2/11/12
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"DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:jh6o8k$ept$4...@dont-email.me...
> On 2/11/2012 2:15 PM, Snit wrote:
>> RonB stated in post jh50h8$ak0$2...@dont-email.me on 2/10/12 11:06 PM:
>
>
>>> Again, if the millions and millions of Linux users were really as
>>> "minuscule" as the trolls keep claiming, then the joke is on them
>>> as they are wasting their life trolling against a total non-threat.
>>> Of course, like Redmond and Cupertino, they know better. They
>>> attack what they consider to be a major threat to their corporate
>>> masters.
>>
>> What does this even mean? Corporate masters? You are not even
>> trying to be coherent any more.
>
>
> Fact is, most of us "trolls" don't even work for corporations. Zeke
> might, but I don't,
The company that I work for is incorporated so technically it is a
>> RonB stated in post jh50h8$ak0$2...@dont-email.me on 2/10/12 11:06 PM:
>
>
>>> Again, if the millions and millions of Linux users were really as
>>> "minuscule" as the trolls keep claiming, then the joke is on them
>>> as they are wasting their life trolling against a total non-threat.
>>> Of course, like Redmond and Cupertino, they know better. They
>>> attack what they consider to be a major threat to their corporate
>>> masters.
>>
>> What does this even mean? Corporate masters? You are not even
>> trying to be coherent any more.
>
>
> Fact is, most of us "trolls" don't even work for corporations. Zeke
> might, but I don't,
corporation. But the company is effectively owned by one person and the
company is not listed on any stock exchange and will never go public (as in
IPO). The "corporation" part is primarily a legal safeguard.
If "corporation" is being used to try and somehow define the size of the
company, we have a few hundred employees and 100% of everything is done
in-house with 0.0% being outsourced anywhere.
<quote>
Definition of 'Corporation'
A legal entity that is separate and distinct from its owners. Corporations
enjoy most of the rights and responsibilities that an individual possesses;
that is, a corporation has the right to enter into contracts, loan and
borrow money, sue and be sued, hire employees, own assets and pay taxes.
The most important aspect of a corporation is limited liability. That is,
shareholders have the right to participate in the profits, through dividends
and/or the appreciation of stock, but are not held personally liable for the
company's debts.
</quote>
Torre Starnes
Feb 11, 2012, 5:44:13 PM2/11/12
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never be able to "make it" working for the "man"....
I have nothing against corporate workers, I just didn't want to play
the bull shit games, politic around the golf course only to reach
the glass ceiling.
It was a very tough decision for me because I did have a good job
with excellent (at the time) benefits and I was supposedly being
fast tracked although I never felt that.
I did have the music I was doing on the side so that was my safety
net. I could have done it full time and still survived.
What I did was save every dime and when interest rates were 18
percent back in the 80's it added up very quickly.
I decided to invest in property and while I made some mistakes and
almost lost it all due to naivety, I recovered and did very well due
to hard work and some very good timing and just pure luck.
Coupled with my music income, residuals and such, I do well now and
I don't ever regret leaving corporate America.
For others corporate America can be a stable place to be and I don't
judge those who take that road.
Homer
Feb 11, 2012, 6:31:37 PM2/11/12
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Verily I say unto thee that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>
>> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
>> « If the money was right, every single one of
>> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
>
> I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars.
I'd pay a billion dollars to not work for them.
>
>>
>> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
>> « If the money was right, every single one of
>> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
>
> I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars.
Chris Ahlstrom
Feb 11, 2012, 6:42:54 PM2/11/12
to
JEDIDIAH wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
I don't *want* the responsibility or temptations a big fat wad of cash!
--
Seriously, could you make more of a fool of yourself? And to think this
is you TRYING to prove I am some sort of MS "lover"!!!!!!!!!! I am not
and never have been.
-- "Hadron", trying to deny the obvious
--
Seriously, could you make more of a fool of yourself? And to think this
is you TRYING to prove I am some sort of MS "lover"!!!!!!!!!! I am not
and never have been.
-- "Hadron", trying to deny the obvious
Foster
Feb 11, 2012, 6:44:19 PM2/11/12
to
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:31:37 +0000, Homer wrote:
> I'd pay a billion dollars to not work for them.
Yet you beg for money to compensate yourself for work on the FOSS
> I'd pay a billion dollars to not work for them.
package tripwire.
Sure [Homer].
We believe you......
Foster
Feb 11, 2012, 6:46:18 PM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:42:54 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> I don't *want* the responsibility or temptations a big fat wad of cash!
No need to worry Chris Ahlstrom.
> I don't *want* the responsibility or temptations a big fat wad of cash!
Your wife Jayne Ahlstrom doles out the cash with an eyedropper.
Make sure you don't spend you weekly allowance of $20.00 all in one
place.
Snit
Feb 11, 2012, 6:57:47 PM2/11/12
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Torre Starnes stated in post kdqqfqigmtjw$.k1t4w2f4z54n$.d...@40tude.net on
2/11/12 3:44 PM:
I worked for Intuit in the 1990s. For a while it was a great place to work
- or as good as any call center can be - but then management changed and
things became horrible. I left. I guessed the company was going to go
downhill and there stock did crash shortly after... so I got out at almost
the exact right time.
I have done contract work for some corporations since, but never Apple,
Microsoft, Google, or any other other companies the herd makes up stories
about me working for. To put it simply: they hate that I (and others) are
right so the try to put people on the defensive by making up absurd stories
about their lives. It is idiotic and pathetic of them.
--
🙈🙉🙊
2/11/12 3:44 PM:
- or as good as any call center can be - but then management changed and
things became horrible. I left. I guessed the company was going to go
downhill and there stock did crash shortly after... so I got out at almost
the exact right time.
I have done contract work for some corporations since, but never Apple,
Microsoft, Google, or any other other companies the herd makes up stories
about me working for. To put it simply: they hate that I (and others) are
right so the try to put people on the defensive by making up absurd stories
about their lives. It is idiotic and pathetic of them.
--
🙈🙉🙊
Torre Starnes
Feb 11, 2012, 7:01:38 PM2/11/12
to
debt without producing new products.
> I have done contract work for some corporations since, but never Apple,
> Microsoft, Google, or any other other companies the herd makes up stories
> about me working for. To put it simply: they hate that I (and others) are
> right so the try to put people on the defensive by making up absurd stories
> about their lives. It is idiotic and pathetic of them.
It's all they have.
After all, who can possibly take seriously a person who works with
Windows all day long, earning a living, and then slams Windows,
Microsoft and Apple all night long like some kind of a crazed
lunatic?
These people are mostly hypocrites and liars.
Homer
Feb 11, 2012, 7:30:45 PM2/11/12
to
Verily I say unto thee that High Plains Thumper spake thusly:
copy:
[quote]
It is statistically unlikely that a person purchasing a new computer is
ever going to change its operating system -- the OS that comes with the
computer you buy at the local computer mega-store is probably going to
be the OS you use for years, if not forever.
[/quote]
http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader
That's the problem in a nutshell.
The only solution is Windows must be unbundled from PCs.
> Homer wrote:
>>
>> [quote]
>> Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing
>> agreement, which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every
>> PC shipped, even if it didn't include Windows.
>> [/quote]
>>
>> "Ouch" indeed.
>
> "Ouch" indeed, further evidence:
>
> [quote]
[...]
>>
>> [quote]
>> Gateway also faulted another provision of the new licensing
>> agreement, which requires PC makers to pay a Windows royalty on every
>> PC shipped, even if it didn't include Windows.
>> [/quote]
>>
>> "Ouch" indeed.
>
> "Ouch" indeed, further evidence:
>
> [quote]
> No PC manufacturer ever followed the offer. The situation was analyzed
> by BeOS user Scot Hacker in a column for the renowned computer
> magazine BYTE [5]:
>
> So why aren't there any dual-boot computers for sale? The answer
> lies in the nature of the relationship Microsoft maintains with
> hardware vendors. More specifically, in the "Windows License" agreed
> to by hardware vendors who want to include Windows on the computers
> they sell. This is not the license you pretend to read and click "I
> Accept" when installing Windows. This license is not available online.
> This is a confidential license, seen only by Microsoft and computer
> vendors. You and I can't read the license because Microsoft classifies
> it as a "trade secret." The license specifies that any machine which
> includes a Microsoft operating system must not also offer a
> non-Microsoft operating system as a boot option. In other words, a
> computer that offers to boot into Windows upon startup cannot also
> offer to boot into BeOS or Linux. The hardware vendor does not get to
> choose which OSes to install on the machines they sell -- Microsoft
> does.
> [/quote]
>
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/10/23/13219/110
The link on that page to the full article is broken. Here's an archived
> by BeOS user Scot Hacker in a column for the renowned computer
> magazine BYTE [5]:
>
> So why aren't there any dual-boot computers for sale? The answer
> lies in the nature of the relationship Microsoft maintains with
> hardware vendors. More specifically, in the "Windows License" agreed
> to by hardware vendors who want to include Windows on the computers
> they sell. This is not the license you pretend to read and click "I
> Accept" when installing Windows. This license is not available online.
> This is a confidential license, seen only by Microsoft and computer
> vendors. You and I can't read the license because Microsoft classifies
> it as a "trade secret." The license specifies that any machine which
> includes a Microsoft operating system must not also offer a
> non-Microsoft operating system as a boot option. In other words, a
> computer that offers to boot into Windows upon startup cannot also
> offer to boot into BeOS or Linux. The hardware vendor does not get to
> choose which OSes to install on the machines they sell -- Microsoft
> does.
> [/quote]
>
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/10/23/13219/110
copy:
[quote]
It is statistically unlikely that a person purchasing a new computer is
ever going to change its operating system -- the OS that comes with the
computer you buy at the local computer mega-store is probably going to
be the OS you use for years, if not forever.
[/quote]
http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader
That's the problem in a nutshell.
The only solution is Windows must be unbundled from PCs.
High Plains Thumper
Feb 11, 2012, 7:40:10 PM2/11/12
to
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> High Plains Thumper wrote this:
HPT
> High Plains Thumper wrote this:
>> DFS wrote:
>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amen to that. I am running Thunderbird 10.0 under Ubuntu Linux
>>>> v10.04 LTS. There's more Linux out there than Microsoft or the
>>>> Wintrolls who have invaded c.o.l.advocacy would like to admit.
>>>
>>> No HPT, there is not. There is only the amount of Linux out
>>> there that can be reasonably measured or estimated. No more.
>>>
>>> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of
>>> Linux installations that were actually performed and chosen by
>>> end users because they were Linux.
>>>
>>> Ouch!
>>
>> Straight from the Chair's Little Redmond Book:
>>
>> Microsoft Evangelism Plaintiff Exhibit 3096: "Our mission is to
>> establish Microsoft's platforms as the de facto standards
>> throughout the computer industry.... Working behind the scenes to
>> orchestrate "independent" praise of our technology, and damnation
>> of the enemy's, is a key evangelism function during the Slog."
>> http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf
>
> Yup. Even today you have to be a motivated user in order to get
> Linux on your computer. You either have to download, burn, and run a
> Linux distro installer and master the rudiments of a new OS, or look
> around on the net to find a vendor willing to provide Linux without
> charging you a premium for it.
>
> Windows? Just wander into Walmart, fer cripe sake.
[quote]
>>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amen to that. I am running Thunderbird 10.0 under Ubuntu Linux
>>>> v10.04 LTS. There's more Linux out there than Microsoft or the
>>>> Wintrolls who have invaded c.o.l.advocacy would like to admit.
>>>
>>> No HPT, there is not. There is only the amount of Linux out
>>> there that can be reasonably measured or estimated. No more.
>>>
>>> What's known for certain is there are /*miniscule*/ amounts of
>>> Linux installations that were actually performed and chosen by
>>> end users because they were Linux.
>>>
>>> Ouch!
>>
>> Straight from the Chair's Little Redmond Book:
>>
>> Microsoft Evangelism Plaintiff Exhibit 3096: "Our mission is to
>> establish Microsoft's platforms as the de facto standards
>> throughout the computer industry.... Working behind the scenes to
>> orchestrate "independent" praise of our technology, and damnation
>> of the enemy's, is a key evangelism function during the Slog."
>> http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf
>
> Yup. Even today you have to be a motivated user in order to get
> Linux on your computer. You either have to download, burn, and run a
> Linux distro installer and master the rudiments of a new OS, or look
> around on the net to find a vendor willing to provide Linux without
> charging you a premium for it.
>
> Windows? Just wander into Walmart, fer cripe sake.
So why aren't there any dual-boot computers for sale? The answer
lies in the nature of the relationship Microsoft maintains with hardware
vendors. More specifically, in the "Windows License" agreed to by
hardware vendors who want to include Windows on the computers they sell.
This is not the license you pretend to read and click "I Accept" when
installing Windows. This license is not available online. This is a
confidential license, seen only by Microsoft and computer vendors. You
and I can't read the license because Microsoft classifies it as a "trade
secret." The license specifies that any machine which includes a
Microsoft operating system must not also offer a non-Microsoft operating
system as a boot option. In other words, a computer that offers to boot
into Windows upon startup cannot also offer to boot into BeOS or Linux.
The hardware vendor does not get to choose which OSes to install on the
machines they sell -- Microsoft does.
[/quote]
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/10/23/13219/110
--
lies in the nature of the relationship Microsoft maintains with hardware
vendors. More specifically, in the "Windows License" agreed to by
hardware vendors who want to include Windows on the computers they sell.
This is not the license you pretend to read and click "I Accept" when
installing Windows. This license is not available online. This is a
confidential license, seen only by Microsoft and computer vendors. You
and I can't read the license because Microsoft classifies it as a "trade
secret." The license specifies that any machine which includes a
Microsoft operating system must not also offer a non-Microsoft operating
system as a boot option. In other words, a computer that offers to boot
into Windows upon startup cannot also offer to boot into BeOS or Linux.
The hardware vendor does not get to choose which OSes to install on the
machines they sell -- Microsoft does.
[/quote]
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/10/23/13219/110
HPT
Foster
Feb 11, 2012, 8:37:52 PM2/11/12
to
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 17:40:10 -0700, High Plains Thumper wrote:
> So why aren't there any dual-boot computers for sale?
Because 99 percent of the population wants Windows.
> So why aren't there any dual-boot computers for sale?
The netbook experiment proved that.
GreyCloud
Feb 11, 2012, 9:24:46 PM2/11/12
to
Homer wrote:
> Verily I say unto thee that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> 
> Verily I say unto thee that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:
>> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> You ( DFS ) told Big•Steel, RonB, Homer, Thumper and Curlytop:
>>> « If the money was right, every single one of
>>> these sad clowns would go to work for Microsoft. »
>> I wouldn't work for Microsoft for a billion dollars.
>
> I'd pay a billion dollars to not work for them.
>
You couldn't get a billion dollars if it was up your arse with a string
>
> I'd pay a billion dollars to not work for them.
>
attached to it.
GreyCloud
Feb 11, 2012, 9:26:07 PM2/11/12
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corporations today?
Snit
Feb 11, 2012, 9:38:16 PM2/11/12
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GreyCloud stated in post CZ-dnR1YtN7fvqrS...@bresnan.com on
2/11/12 7:26 PM:
Interesting thought... how different would the world be?
--
🙈🙉🙊
2/11/12 7:26 PM:
--
🙈🙉🙊
DFS
Feb 12, 2012, 12:49:47 AM2/12/12
to
On 2/11/2012 7:30 PM, Homer wrote:
> [quote] It is statistically unlikely that a person purchasing a new
> computer is ever going to change its operating system -- the OS that
> comes with the computer you buy at the local computer mega-store is
> probably going to be the OS you use for years, if not forever.
> [/quote]
>
> http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader
>
> That's the problem in a nutshell.
It's not a problem, at all.
> [quote] It is statistically unlikely that a person purchasing a new
> computer is ever going to change its operating system -- the OS that
> comes with the computer you buy at the local computer mega-store is
> probably going to be the OS you use for years, if not forever.
> [/quote]
>
> http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader
>
> That's the problem in a nutshell.
It's a huge plus for people to use Windows, with its enormous ecosystem
of apps, games, hardware support, and corporate use.
> The only solution is Windows must be unbundled from PCs.
unnecessary govt interference. The people certainly don't want it.
Retailers and OEMs don't want it, and even OS developers don't want it.
Only 3 disgruntled Linux wackos think it makes sense.
You think CostCo and Walmart and Office Depot are going to double or
triple shelf space and the number of systems on display just to show
Linux and Windows running side by side? You think they're going to
force their customers to buy the OS (which Linux distros?) separately
and install it (then drivers) once they get home? You think the OEM's
are going to significantly increase the support staff to support a
proven non-seller like Linux?
Wrong.
Most of us here have been installing/uninstalling/reinstalling/testing
OS's for a while so we would be comfortable doing it, but it's easy to
recognize it's a bad financial decision for everyone involved.
GreyCloud
Feb 12, 2012, 1:20:22 AM2/12/12
to
No cars, no roads, no electricity, and no country.
Ezekiel
Feb 12, 2012, 9:26:36 AM2/12/12
to
"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote in message
news:9o2dnXAvFMC7x6rS...@bresnan.com...
> Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>> You may be right. Where would everyone be if it weren't for
>>> corporations today?
>>
>> Interesting thought... how different would the world be?
>>
>>
>
> I can see nothing but mud huts and pig stys.
> No cars, no roads, no electricity, and no country.
You wouldn't have cars or electricity or roads because it takes more than
>>>>
>>> You may be right. Where would everyone be if it weren't for
>>> corporations today?
>>
>> Interesting thought... how different would the world be?
>>
>>
>
> I can see nothing but mud huts and pig stys.
> No cars, no roads, no electricity, and no country.
just "one guy" to build a car factory or a electrical power-plant and
distribution grid. It takes more than "one guy" to accomplish this - you'd
need several people doing the work which effectively is a
company/corporation.
Ezekiel
Feb 12, 2012, 9:30:29 AM2/12/12
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"High Plains Thumper" <h...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:jh71pb$hgs$1...@news.albasani.net...
> More specifically, in the "Windows License" agreed to by
> hardware vendors who want to include Windows on the computers they sell.
> This is not the license you pretend to read and click "I Accept" when
> installing Windows.
>
> This license is not available online. This is a
> confidential license, seen only by Microsoft and computer vendors. You
> and I can't read the license because Microsoft classifies it as a "trade
> secret."
> The license specifies that any machine which includes a
Just like Rex, he claims to know an awful lot of specifics for a secret
license that isn't available on-line and he can't see and has never read.
It's like Rex posting how <insert ridiculous claim> exists but it's all in
secret documents that have been sealed by the court. Uh Rex... if they're
sealed court documents then you would have no idea what the contents of the
documents are.
Ezekiel
Feb 12, 2012, 9:35:30 AM2/12/12
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"DFS" <nos...@dfs.com> wrote in message news:jh7ju9$dge$7...@dont-email.me...
> On 2/11/2012 7:30 PM, Homer wrote:
>
>> [quote] It is statistically unlikely that a person purchasing a new
>> computer is ever going to change its operating system -- the OS that
>> comes with the computer you buy at the local computer mega-store is
>> probably going to be the OS you use for years, if not forever.
>> [/quote]
>>
>> http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader
>>
>> That's the problem in a nutshell.
>
>
> It's not a problem, at all.
>
> It's a huge plus for people to use Windows, with its enormous ecosystem
> of apps, games, hardware support, and corporate use.
>
>
>
>> The only solution is Windows must be unbundled from PCs.
>
> The only way that will happen is thru heavy-handed, unwanted and
> unnecessary govt interference. The people certainly don't want it.
> Retailers and OEMs don't want it, and even OS developers don't want it.
>
> Only 3 disgruntled Linux wackos think it makes sense.
>
> You think CostCo and Walmart and Office Depot are going to double or
> triple shelf space and the number of systems on display just to show
> Linux and Windows running side by side?
Shelf space costs money. Putting products on shelves that just sit there and
>
>> [quote] It is statistically unlikely that a person purchasing a new
>> computer is ever going to change its operating system -- the OS that
>> comes with the computer you buy at the local computer mega-store is
>> probably going to be the OS you use for years, if not forever.
>> [/quote]
>>
>> http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader
>>
>> That's the problem in a nutshell.
>
>
> It's not a problem, at all.
>
> It's a huge plus for people to use Windows, with its enormous ecosystem
> of apps, games, hardware support, and corporate use.
>
>
>
>> The only solution is Windows must be unbundled from PCs.
>
> The only way that will happen is thru heavy-handed, unwanted and
> unnecessary govt interference. The people certainly don't want it.
> Retailers and OEMs don't want it, and even OS developers don't want it.
>
> Only 3 disgruntled Linux wackos think it makes sense.
>
> You think CostCo and Walmart and Office Depot are going to double or
> triple shelf space and the number of systems on display just to show
> Linux and Windows running side by side?
collect dust isn't good business.
The other thing is how this would even work. Computers/laptops/etc come
pre-packaged and sealed. Is someone actually "advocating" that when a
customer buys a laptop at Walmart or Target that they then need to go to the
"OS installation" department at each store and wait while a store employee
installs the OS for them?
Ezekiel
Feb 12, 2012, 9:43:23 AM2/12/12
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"Ezekiel" <ze...@nosuchemail.com> wrote in message
news:jh8inj$sgv$2...@dont-email.me...
should those devices also be sold with "no OS." Then after the customer
buys the cell-phone, router, etc they can then go and have whatever OS they
want installed on it?
GreyCloud
Feb 12, 2012, 12:46:43 PM2/12/12
to
more like talking to a brick wall.
JEDIDIAH
Feb 13, 2012, 12:31:30 PM2/13/12
to
That you are not clued in enough to be aware of these matters
simply means that you are not affluent enough to be exposed to them.
--
"Microsoft looks at new ideas, they don't evaluate whether
the idea will move the industry forward, they ask, |||
'how will it help us sell more copies of Windows?'" / | \
-- Bill Gates
JEDIDIAH
Feb 13, 2012, 4:17:39 PM2/13/12
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Your views on history are to say the very least very interesting.
GreyCloud
Feb 13, 2012, 5:33:34 PM2/13/12
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America.
Without your modern corporation, you would have no cars, paved roads,
etc. The real root of that problem is how money is created along with
debt and interest on top of it. History is rife with this kind of problem.
--
What's the definition of a will? (It's a dead giveaway).
JEDIDIAH
Feb 13, 2012, 6:06:58 PM2/13/12
to
before that Italian mistook Hispaniola for India.
Peter Köhlmann
Feb 13, 2012, 6:13:09 PM2/13/12
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>> Without your modern corporation, you would have no cars, paved roads,
>
> I am sure this is news to all of the cultures that had paved roads
> before that Italian mistook Hispaniola for India.
Big Steel
Feb 13, 2012, 6:19:03 PM2/13/12
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Ezekiel
Feb 13, 2012, 9:25:26 PM2/13/12
to
>
>
>"JEDIDIAH" wrote in message news:slrnjjj5s...@nomad.mishnet...
You're missing the point. Major projects like roads, coliseums, dams, etc.
are too big to be built by an individual. In this regard a government
sponsored and paid for work-force is equivalent to a corporation. When these
projects were underway there were people who designed and planned the
project, supervisors who managed the workers and the laborers who did the
actual work. Even there was no *.Inc sign anywhere, these large projects
were effectively being run like a company.
>
>"JEDIDIAH" wrote in message news:slrnjjj5s...@nomad.mishnet...
are too big to be built by an individual. In this regard a government
sponsored and paid for work-force is equivalent to a corporation. When these
projects were underway there were people who designed and planned the
project, supervisors who managed the workers and the laborers who did the
actual work. Even there was no *.Inc sign anywhere, these large projects
were effectively being run like a company.
GreyCloud
Feb 14, 2012, 12:27:13 AM2/14/12
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labor. Is that whay you want? Slave labor?
GreyCloud
Feb 14, 2012, 12:27:48 AM2/14/12
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>>> Without your modern corporation, you would have no cars, paved roads,
>> I am sure this is news to all of the cultures that had paved roads
>> before that Italian mistook Hispaniola for India.
>
> Well, the romans had them for 2000 years before that mentioned italian
>
Peter Köhlmann
Feb 14, 2012, 2:58:20 AM2/14/12
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Teepees where characteristic of the middle-west and west living indians.
Not of those living in the east and north east
>>>> Without your modern corporation, you would have no cars, paved roads,
>>> I am sure this is news to all of the cultures that had paved roads
>>> before that Italian mistook Hispaniola for India.
>>
>> Well, the romans had them for 2000 years before that mentioned italian
>>
> And built by slave labor. Read your history books.
>
William Poaster
Feb 14, 2012, 5:32:54 AM2/14/12
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"Without your modern corporation, you would have no cars, paved roads,"
were made is immaterial. Greyclod's statement was clearly wrong.
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