Why I choose Mandriva
Roy Schestowitz
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The 'best' of Windows:
http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/empty/winxppro.png
My desktop:
http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
Why is Microsoft jammed in 2001?
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Sandeep Kumar
> My desktop:
>
> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
Rick Brandt
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> The 'best' of Windows:
>
> http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/empty/winxppro.png
>
> My desktop:
>
> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>
> Why is Microsoft jammed in 2001?
You show an image of a Windows XP desktop as it would look after a clean
install and no customization and compare it to a Linux desktop that you
have personalized. Is this a fair comparison?
Your desktop appears to be mostly dual monitors (or were you rotating the
desktop cube?) with a nice background image. Is that supposed to be
really impressive? I have seen some really impressive desktop images on
Linux pages and that doesn't make the cut.
As to the "jammed in 2001" comment that is when XP was released. Why
shouldn't it look like that without customization?
As MS slams go, this was a pretty lame attempt.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Rick Brandt on Tuesday 25 November 2008 17:30 : \____
It's a matter of taste really, but point taken.
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Sandeep Kumar
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> ____/ Rick Brandt on Tuesday 25 November 2008 17:30 : \____
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>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
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>>> The 'best' of Windows:
>>>
>>> http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/empty/winxppro.png
>>>
>>> My desktop:
>>>
>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>>
>>> Why is Microsoft jammed in 2001?
>>
>> You show an image of a Windows XP desktop as it would look after a clean
>> install and no customization and compare it to a Linux desktop that you
>> have personalized. Is this a fair comparison?
>>
>> Your desktop appears to be mostly dual monitors (or were you rotating the
>> desktop cube?) with a nice background image. Is that supposed to be
>> really impressive? I have seen some really impressive desktop images on
>> Linux pages and that doesn't make the cut.
>>
>> As to the "jammed in 2001" comment that is when XP was released. Why
>> shouldn't it look like that without customization?
>>
>> As MS slams go, this was a pretty lame attempt.
>
> It's a matter of taste really, but point taken.
He does have a point.It's like comparing the bait and switch advertisement
in the newspaper for a stripped car to one that's actually functional
albeit much more expensive.Would you like a steering wheel with that?The
problem with Windows is that skinning it in general costs money for add
ons.Linux comes equipped with these things on the CD and they are of course
free.Personally I don't see the need for such items but they are nice
looking.I like a nice background,good looking text and several virtual
desktops.That's all I need and Linux does that very nicely indeed.
DFS
> The problem with Windows is that skinning it
> in general costs money for add ons.Linux comes equipped with these
> things on the CD and they are of course free.Personally I don't see
> the need for such items but they are nice looking.I like a nice
> background,good looking text and several virtual desktops.That's all
> I need and Linux does that very nicely indeed.
http://www.wvistathemes.com/free-windows-xp-themes/
http://vista-themes.net/
http://www.appleblossomart.net/top10xpstyles.php
http://download.microsoft.com/download/whistler/Install/2/WXP/EN-US/DeskmanPowertoySetup.exe
Sandeep Kumar
Not as good as Linux however.
The question still remains however as to how productive this eye candy is?
Gregory Shearman
But you post using windows?
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Gregory Shearman on Wednesday 26 November 2008 07:40 : \____
>
>
> On 2008-11-25, Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My desktop:
>>>
>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>
>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>
> But you post using windows?
It might be Gary M. S.
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> ____/ Gregory Shearman on Wednesday 26 November 2008 07:40 : \____
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>>
>>
>> On 2008-11-25, Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> My desktop:
>>>>
>>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>>
>>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>>
>> But you post using windows?
>
> It might be Gary M. S.
>
It nearly certainly is flatfish
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Gregory Shearman
Yeah, shows the hallmarks. Comes on strong as a linux advocate and then
twists around and starts bagging linux.... and becomes very insulting
when successfully rebutted.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Gregory Shearman on Wednesday 26 November 2008 10:02 : \____
The punctuation games, the paragraphs, motzarella.org, the stigmas being
spread...
Another nymshift is likely before an exposition.
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
Eye candy is as productive as candy is healthy.
Still, I like it <grin>.
--
Work expands to fill the time available.
-- Cyril Northcote Parkinson, "The Economist", 1955
Sandeep Kumar
> On 2008-11-25, Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My desktop:
>>>
>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>
>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>
> But you post using windows?
Ever hear of wine?It runs 40tude quite well.
Sandeep Kumar
Please let me in on this flatfish joke?
Peter Köhlmann
Yes, flatfish, we know.
You have told us several times
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a trail of destruction behind it.
Sandeep Kumar
> The racist, liar and software thief Gary Stewart (flatfish) nymshifted:
>
>> On 26 Nov 2008 07:40:24 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-11-25, Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My desktop:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>>>
>>> But you post using windows?
>>
>> Ever hear of wine?It runs 40tude quite well.
>
> Yes, flatfish, we know.
> You have told us several times
??
Hadron
"Flatfish" is an insult Peter reserves for people of Indian descent. I
am sure the whole of COLA will join me in disgust at Peter's racist and
despicable insults.
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address."
-- A Z Nomad in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Peter Köhlmann
> Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:09:08 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>>> The racist, liar and software thief Gary Stewart (flatfish) nymshifted:
>>>
>>>> On 26 Nov 2008 07:40:24 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2008-11-25, Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My desktop:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you post using windows?
>>>>
>>>> Ever hear of wine?It runs 40tude quite well.
>>>
>>> Yes, flatfish, we know.
>>> You have told us several times
>>
>> ??
>
> "Flatfish" is an insult Peter reserves for people of Indian descent.
What? That latest batch of stuff you're smoking seems bad
> I am sure the whole of COLA will join me in disgust at Peter's racist and
> despicable insults.
>
Idiot
--
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the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
chrisv
>>
>> "Flatfish" is an insult Peter reserves for people of Indian descent.
Yet another Quack bald-faced lie. Documented.
>> I am sure the whole of COLA will join me in disgust at Peter's racist and
>> despicable insults.
You are "sure"of no such thing, "Hadron" Quack, making this claim of
yours yet another lie. Your charge of "racism" is also a lie.
3 obvious lies in such a short post. That's pretty bad, even for you,
Quack.
Sandeep Kumar
> "Flatfish" is an insult Peter reserves for people of Indian descent. I
> am sure the whole of COLA will join me in disgust at Peter's racist and
> despicable insults.
That is very sad indeed.
Roy Schestowitz
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
It's déją vu all over again.
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>> Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> ??
>>
>> "Flatfish" is an insult Peter reserves for people of Indian descent.
>
> What? That latest batch of stuff you're smoking seems bad
>
>> I am sure the whole of COLA will join me in disgust at Peter's racist and
>> despicable insults.
>
> Idiot
> "Brazil? The place full of long yellow republicans that
> people skid on?" -- Hadron Quark, Usenet Arsehole
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
>>Hadron snotted:
Actually, he undoubtedly thinks it is /good/!
I wonder if we should measure it as a lie density, or a lie flux.
Since Hadron's lies always go in a certain direction, we can assume they are
vector quantities, and should be able to integrate them over the finite COLA
"surface area" (to reappropriate a Microsoft-hijacked term). Hence "flux" is
to be preferred.
Tim?
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Actually, Roy, you should use a combo box, not a menu entry.
Then you can select "all".
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Heh. I was thinking about "all the above" entry.
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Terry Porter
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>
>> My desktop:
>>
>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>
> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
Slackware ??????
Slackware is a BAD choice for a *desktop* when compared with the ease of
install and setup of any of the desktop oriented distros, such as Fedora,
Debian and Mandriva etc.
Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new Linux
users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Terry Porter on Thursday 27 November 2008 05:05 : \____
>
>
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:41:15 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My desktop:
>>>
>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>
>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>
> Slackware ??????
>
> Slackware is a BAD choice for a *desktop* when compared with the ease of
> install and setup of any of the desktop oriented distros, such as Fedora,
> Debian and Mandriva etc.
>
> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new Linux
> users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
Trolls like Gary M Stewart (AKA "Sandeep Kumar") would rather confuse the
lurkers, suggesting distributions that may lead to frustration because they
are hard. Gentoo and Slackware are typical examples. At the same time, they
try to portray themselves as advanced users to gain credibility.
In reality, the trolls don't even use GNU/Linux. See recent example and
explanation in
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/19/troll-linux-identity-deception/ .
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William Poaster
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:09:08 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> The racist, liar and software thief Gary Stewart (flatfish)
>>>> nymshifted:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Nov 2008 07:40:24 GMT, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2008-11-25, Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My desktop:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you post using windows?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ever hear of wine?It runs 40tude quite well.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, flatfish, we know.
>>>> You have told us several times
>>>
>>> ??
>>
>> "Flatfish" is an insult Peter reserves for people of Indian descent.
>
> What? That latest batch of stuff you're smoking seems bad
>
>> I am sure the whole of COLA will join me in disgust at Peter's racist
>> and despicable insults.
>>
>>
> Idiot
The *real* Sandeep Kumar posted through redpinesignals.com
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Microsoft is very effective
at fleecing the flockers.
Sandeep Kumar
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:41:15 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My desktop:
>>>
>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>
>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>
> Slackware ??????
Yes.
> Slackware is a BAD choice for a *desktop* when compared with the ease of
> install and setup of any of the desktop oriented distros, such as Fedora,
> Debian and Mandriva etc.
But Slackware works, is predicatble and can be made to look just as good as
Mandriva if need be.It can also be made to look just as ugly as Ubuntu if
that's what you prefer.
> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new Linux
> users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
Slackware is easy to use and install.I've been using Linux since the late
90's FWIW.
Hadron
Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> writes:
I'd be interested to know why Terry thinks Slackware is so
"difficult". Isn't it the same kernel and Gnome or KDE as everything
else? Or is he trying to preserve Slackware for those he deems as |_EEt?
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hard to prove how bad it sucks."
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Peter Köhlmann
>
> Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:05:20 -0600, Terry Porter wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:41:15 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My desktop:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>>>
>>> Slackware ??????
>> Yes.
>>> Slackware is a BAD choice for a *desktop* when compared with the ease of
>>> install and setup of any of the desktop oriented distros, such as
>>> Fedora, Debian and Mandriva etc.
>> But Slackware works, is predicatble and can be made to look just as good
>> as Mandriva if need be.It can also be made to look just as ugly as Ubuntu
>> if that's what you prefer.
>>> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new Linux
>>> users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
>> Slackware is easy to use and install.I've been using Linux since the late
>> 90's FWIW.
>
> I'd be interested to know why Terry thinks Slackware is so
> "difficult".
Simple answer: Try it yourself, "kernel hacker" Hadron Quark.
That way we will not see your filth for the next several years, because you
are then still trying to figure out how to /start/ the install.
*You* are the one constantly having problems with simple things
> Isn't it the same kernel and Gnome or KDE as everything else?
Oh, it is.
> Or is he trying to preserve Slackware for those he deems as |_EEt?
Idiot
Sandeep Kumar
> Sandeep Kumar <deep839...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:05:20 -0600, Terry Porter wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:41:15 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My desktop:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>>>
>>> Slackware ??????
>> Yes.
>>> Slackware is a BAD choice for a *desktop* when compared with the ease of
>>> install and setup of any of the desktop oriented distros, such as Fedora,
>>> Debian and Mandriva etc.
>> But Slackware works, is predicatble and can be made to look just as good as
>> Mandriva if need be.It can also be made to look just as ugly as Ubuntu if
>> that's what you prefer.
>>> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new Linux
>>> users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
>> Slackware is easy to use and install.I've been using Linux since the late
>> 90's FWIW.
>
> I'd be interested to know why Terry thinks Slackware is so
> "difficult". Isn't it the same kernel and Gnome or KDE as everything
> else? Or is he trying to preserve Slackware for those he deems as |_EEt?
From what I am reading of this Terry Porter, he/she seems like a simpleton
so maybe Slackware is too much for him/her to handle.
DFS
> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:41:15 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>>> My desktop:
>>>
>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>
>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>
> Slackware ??????
>
> Slackware is a BAD choice for a *desktop* when compared with the ease
> of install and setup of any of the desktop oriented distros, such as
> Fedora, Debian and Mandriva etc.
>
> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new Linux
> users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
Yours is an off-topic post. This group is for discussing the "benefits of
Linux compared to other operating systems." Troll.
Terry Porter
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:05:20 -0600, Terry Porter wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:41:15 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:54:18 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> My desktop:
>>>>
>>>> http://schestowitz.com/temp/screenshots/screenshot-2008.jpg
>>>
>>> Gorgeous.I prefer Slackware myself though.
>>
>> Slackware ??????
> Yes.
>> Slackware is a BAD choice for a *desktop* when compared with the ease
>> of install and setup of any of the desktop oriented distros, such as
>> Fedora, Debian and Mandriva etc.
> But Slackware works,
So do all the other Linux distros, many tailor made for desktop use,
unlike Slackware.
> is predicatble and can be made to look just as good
> as Mandriva if need be.
Probably better, but you'll need a decade of Linux admin experience to
achieve that.
> It can also be made to look just as ugly as
> Ubuntu if that's what you prefer.
No thanks!
>> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new Linux
>> users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
> Slackware is easy to use and install.
It's definitely easy to install, but NOT easy to use for newbies.
I repeat, Slackware is for Linux EXPERTS *only*.
> I've been using Linux since the
> late 90's FWIW.
Same here. My initial Linux exposure was in 1993.
My server runs Slackware and has done the last several years.
root@wifi:~# uptime
08:47:19 up 88 days, 14:34, 11 users, load average: 0.18, 0.27, 0.22
It's a dual 1Ghz P3 HP Netserver with hotplug SCSI hard drives in Raid 1
and 1GB ECC ram.
Sandeep Kumar
I don't disagree with you on your statements, but I wouldn't go as far as
to say an expert.
That would be Gentoo or Linux from scratch.
The biggest problem a noob will have with Slack is figuring out what the
packages do and which ones are the ones worth installing etc. Ubuntu for
example groups these into a very nice menu so a noob can get familiar
without installing a bunch of stuff that isn't useful to him.
Terry Porter
I don't know about LFS, but this is a Gentoo quad core workstation:-
tp@gronk1 ~ $ uname -a
Linux gronk1 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jun 7 01:24:52 EST 2008
i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
And it is *way* easier to admin than Slackware, tho slackware is easier
to install to the command line stage.
>
> The biggest problem a noob will have with Slack is figuring out what the
> packages do and which ones are the ones worth installing etc.
Compared to Gentoo Portage, all the Slackware package managers suck.
> Ubuntu for
> example groups these into a very nice menu so a noob can get familiar
> without installing a bunch of stuff that isn't useful to him.
Yeah standard Ubuntu is easy to install and easy to admin, but don't mess
with it too much. I find Ubuntu very easy to break.
I find that most Linux Distros are usually easy to install and hard to
admin, or the reverse, with the exception of Debian, which is pretty easy
to install and admin.
Gregory Shearman
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:26:29 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>>
>> I don't disagree with you on your statements, but I wouldn't go as far
>> as to say an expert.
>> That would be Gentoo or Linux from scratch.
>
> I don't know about LFS, but this is a Gentoo quad core workstation:-
> tp@gronk1 ~ $ uname -a
> Linux gronk1 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jun 7 01:24:52 EST 2008
> i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
You are running an old kernel on that workhorse.
>> The biggest problem a noob will have with Slack is figuring out what the
>> packages do and which ones are the ones worth installing etc.
>
> Compared to Gentoo Portage, all the Slackware package managers suck.
Don't know much about slackware. Gentoo Portage is brilliant.
> I find that most Linux Distros are usually easy to install and hard to
> admin, or the reverse, with the exception of Debian, which is pretty easy
> to install and admin.
Gentoo is a breeze to admin and I find it easy to install (if rather
time consuming).
--
Regards,
Gregory.
Gentoo Linux - Penguin Power
Terry Porter
> "Flatfish" is an insult Peter reserves for people of Indian descent.
Incorrect, "Flatfish" is the identity of a Wintroll, much like you.
> I
> am sure the whole of COLA will join me in disgust at Peter's racist and
> despicable insults.
Then you'd be wrong, I'd prefer to join you and Flatfish ....... with
superglue, because Wintrolls should stick together.
Terry Porter
> On 2008-11-28, Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:26:29 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't disagree with you on your statements, but I wouldn't go as far
>>> as to say an expert.
>>> That would be Gentoo or Linux from scratch.
>>
>> I don't know about LFS, but this is a Gentoo quad core workstation:-
>> tp@gronk1 ~ $ uname -a
>> Linux gronk1 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jun 7 01:24:52 EST
>> 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel
>> GNU/Linux
>
> You are running an old kernel on that workhorse.
Yeah, but it's a production box, I'll upgrade the kernel when there is a
feature I can't live without.
This Linux box processes WiFi orders every day, designs networks and
draws them, it is used to write crappy Perl code and do 100 other tasks.
>
>>> The biggest problem a noob will have with Slack is figuring out what
>>> the packages do and which ones are the ones worth installing etc.
>>
>> Compared to Gentoo Portage, all the Slackware package managers suck.
>
> Don't know much about slackware.
I like Slackware, simple and unhelpful, perfect for a server.
> Gentoo Portage is brilliant.
I'ts bloody good, and improving all the time.
I keep trying to go to Slackware with pkgSRC (Draco Linux), but don't
have the time for all the set up. It's running on KVM/Qemu on this box,
and I'm really impressed with it.
>
>> I find that most Linux Distros are usually easy to install and hard to
>> admin, or the reverse, with the exception of Debian, which is pretty
>> easy to install and admin.
>
> Gentoo is a breeze to admin and I find it easy to install (if rather
> time consuming).
Agreed, the install is dead easy, just takes time. I know the process off
by heart now.
Hadron
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:39:07 +0000, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> On 2008-11-28, Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:26:29 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't disagree with you on your statements, but I wouldn't go as far
>>>> as to say an expert.
>>>> That would be Gentoo or Linux from scratch.
>>>
>>> I don't know about LFS, but this is a Gentoo quad core workstation:-
>>> tp@gronk1 ~ $ uname -a
>>> Linux gronk1 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jun 7 01:24:52 EST
>>> 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel
>>> GNU/Linux
>>
>> You are running an old kernel on that workhorse.
>
> Yeah, but it's a production box, I'll upgrade the kernel when there is a
> feature I can't live without.
Production box! LOL.
Hadron
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:39:43 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>
>> "Flatfish" is an insult Peter reserves for people of Indian descent.
>
> Incorrect, "Flatfish" is the identity of a Wintroll, much like you.
Wintroll? I dont use Windows currently. But unlike YOU, I DO know that
just about all the apps you list giving Linux an advantage are also
available on Windows. And the more you post the more you make yourself
and COLA "advocates" look like clueless idiots. What on earth makes you
think you are in any way qualified to talk about Windows when you
maintain you havent used it since 93 or so? Mind you, this would account
for your total ignorance about what does and does not run on it.
Gregory Shearman
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:39:07 +0000, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> On 2008-11-28, Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:26:29 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't disagree with you on your statements, but I wouldn't go as far
>>>> as to say an expert.
>>>> That would be Gentoo or Linux from scratch.
>>>
>>> I don't know about LFS, but this is a Gentoo quad core workstation:-
>>> tp@gronk1 ~ $ uname -a
>>> Linux gronk1 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jun 7 01:24:52 EST
>>> 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel
>>> GNU/Linux
>>
>> You are running an old kernel on that workhorse.
>
> Yeah, but it's a production box, I'll upgrade the kernel when there is a
> feature I can't live without.
>
> This Linux box processes WiFi orders every day, designs networks and
> draws them, it is used to write crappy Perl code and do 100 other tasks.
Hmmm. That's what I thought. What ain't broke don't need fixin'.
> I'ts bloody good, and improving all the time.
It's great how during an update, when portage itself is updated, the
whole portage update is stopped and reloaded using the new portage.
Terry Porter
> Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> writes:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:39:43 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Flatfish" is an insult Peter reserves for people of Indian descent.
>>
>> Incorrect, "Flatfish" is the identity of a Wintroll, much like you.
>
> Wintroll? I dont use Windows currently.
Not a Mactroll ?
> But unlike YOU, I DO know that
> just about all the apps you list giving Linux an advantage are also
> available on Windows.
Yeah, and the summit of Mount Everest is 'available' to those that climb
it, but few can. Few are prepared to suffer the pain and hardship to
actually achieve it.
"Available" does not always mean "achievable", no matter how you Trolls
try and spin it.
FwBuilder *is* available for Windows, but you must purchase a license.
Unless you have the money and pay the fee, FwBuilder will forever be
beyond your reach, unless you run Linux.
Getting the idea yet ?
> And the more you post the more you make yourself
> and COLA "advocates" look like clueless idiots.
Actually, this is only your opinion, and if you ever grow a brain, you
may look in the mirror one day and see an idiot.
Then and only then will you be able to learn anything and move forward.
> What on earth makes you
> think you are in any way qualified to talk about Windows when you
> maintain you havent used it since 93 or so?
You need to get your facts straight. I last *had Windows on my PC* in
August of 1997 when I switched to Linux full time. I have not used
Windows on my workstation since.
However I have had the unpleasant experience of using XP for around 12
months while working for an embedded manufacturer around 5 years ago.
I have never seen Vista, and like the majority of computer users, have no
desire to ever see it.
> Mind you, this would account
> for your total ignorance about what does and does not run on it.
Your claims of 'available' are simply misleading as shown above.
Even if you succeed in running a Linux application under Windows, you're
still stuck with Windows and all the limitations of that platform.
Windows ... which Linux application would you like to *try* and run
today ?
Terry Porter
> On 2008-11-28, Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:39:07 +0000, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-11-28, Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:26:29 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't disagree with you on your statements, but I wouldn't go as
>>>>> far as to say an expert.
>>>>> That would be Gentoo or Linux from scratch.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about LFS, but this is a Gentoo quad core workstation:-
>>>> tp@gronk1 ~ $ uname -a
>>>> Linux gronk1 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jun 7 01:24:52 EST
>>>> 2008 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel
>>>> GNU/Linux
>>>
>>> You are running an old kernel on that workhorse.
>>
>> Yeah, but it's a production box, I'll upgrade the kernel when there is
>> a feature I can't live without.
>>
>> This Linux box processes WiFi orders every day, designs networks and
>> draws them, it is used to write crappy Perl code and do 100 other
>> tasks.
>
> Hmmm. That's what I thought. What ain't broke don't need fixin'.
I simply don't have the time, and cannot afford a minutes downtime, which
of course, I *never* get. This is Linux, nor Windows.
The kernel may be a bit behind, but portage is totally up to date, and
revdep-rebuild shows no problems.
>
>> I'ts bloody good, and improving all the time.
>
> It's great how during an update, when portage itself is updated, the
> whole portage update is stopped and reloaded using the new portage.
Yes, it's impressive to see.
So is pkgSRC (NetBSD package manager), it's even more fun to watch. It
will go to a repo, check the versions of the package available and select
one that meets the criteria. its very entertaining to watch.
Sandeep Kumar
> You need to get your facts straight. I last *had Windows on my PC* in
> August of 1997 when I switched to Linux full time. I have not used
> Windows on my workstation since.
I will vouch for Terry on this one.
He has claimed this for years so I will take his word on it.
> However I have had the unpleasant experience of using XP for around 12
> months while working for an embedded manufacturer around 5 years ago.
To each his own.
I happen to like XP.
> I have never seen Vista, and like the majority of computer users, have no
> desire to ever see it.
I have no desire to move to Vista but mostly because DAW applications have
problems with it.
I've used Vista and on appropriate hardware it's actually pretty nice.
Would I upgrade to Vista?
No.
Would I purchase a pre-loaded Vista machine?
Sure.
Why not.
>> Mind you, this would account
>> for your total ignorance about what does and does not run on it.
>
> Your claims of 'available' are simply misleading as shown above.
>
> Even if you succeed in running a Linux application under Windows, you're
> still stuck with Windows and all the limitations of that platform.
I pick the applications first and then the platform which is why I see
little use for Wine.
I do run 40tude under it, but I could just as easily use pan if I wanted
to.
I'm a creature of habit though.
>
> Windows ... which Linux application would you like to *try* and run
> today ?
Why bother?
Windows has all the good applications.
Linux doesn't.
Sandeep Kumar
What about security fixes?
Terry Porter
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:55:05 -0600, Terry Porter wrote:
>
>
>> You need to get your facts straight. I last *had Windows on my PC* in
>> August of 1997 when I switched to Linux full time. I have not used
>> Windows on my workstation since.
>
> I will vouch for Terry on this one.
> He has claimed this for years so I will take his word on it.
A long term claim is no evidence of truth.
The fact my statement is true, has nothing to do with you.
>
>> However I have had the unpleasant experience of using XP for around 12
>> months while working for an embedded manufacturer around 5 years ago.
>
> To each his own.
> I happen to like XP. [NOTE 1]
Of course you would, you're a Wintroll.
If you liked Linux, you'd advocate it here. Something I have never seen
you do.
>
>> I have never seen Vista, and like the majority of computer users, have
>> no desire to ever see it.
> I have no desire to move to Vista but mostly because DAW applications
> have problems with it.
> I've used Vista and on appropriate hardware it's actually pretty nice.
>
> Would I upgrade to Vista?
> No.
> Would I purchase a pre-loaded Vista machine? Sure.
> Why not.
Take that question to alt.os.vista.advocacy, because I neither know, or
care to know.
>
>
>>> Mind you, this would account
>>> for your total ignorance about what does and does not run on it.
>>
>> Your claims of 'available' are simply misleading as shown above.
>>
>> Even if you succeed in running a Linux application under Windows,
>> you're still stuck with Windows and all the limitations of that
>> platform.
>
> I pick the applications first and then the platform
This is a flawed methodology.
It's like saying "I choose the quality of airline seats before the
aircraft."
No use having a guilded throne in something that is about to crash
because it's *not reliable*.
> which is why I see
> little use for Wine.
I don't see much use for Wine either.
The Redhat method of writing apps under Linux and them using Mingw to
make them run on Windows is a much better idea.
> I do run 40tude under it,
Only to show it can be done, please see [NOTE1] above.
> but I could just as easily use pan if I wanted
> to.
At least you could devise any search of the posts you wanted with Pan or
Slrn. Instead of being stuck with the 40tude binary lump.
> I'm a creature of habit though.
>
>
>
>> Windows ... which Linux application would you like to *try* and run
>> today ?
>
> Why bother?
> Windows has all the good applications.
An old mantra, and becoming less and less accurate. CP/M used to have all
the good apps once. CP... what ????
> Linux doesn't.
Windows itself is a shaky and unstable foundation, and any app running on
it may come crashing down as a result.
Simple logic, shame you cannot see it.
Terry Porter
> Terry Porter wrote:
>> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new Linux
>> users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
>
> Yours is an off-topic post. This group is for discussing the "benefits
> of Linux compared to other operating systems." Troll.
As a troll, your opinion doesn't count, don't you hate that ?
Sandeep Kumar
I can however see an idiot when it is right in front of me.
Have it your way Terry Porter because I will crush you with your own words.
Get ready......
DFS
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:49:44 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Terry Porter wrote:
>
>>> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new
>>> Linux users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
>>
>> Yours is an off-topic post. This group is for discussing the
>> "benefits of Linux compared to other operating systems." Troll.
>
> As a troll, your opinion doesn't count, don't you hate that ?
It's not an opinion. It's a fact, and facts always count.
Fact 1) your post was off-topic
Fact 2) your post was off-charter
Fact 3) you're a hypocrite for calling others out for the same behavior you
display
Hadron
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:49:36 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> writes:
>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:39:43 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Flatfish" is an insult Peter reserves for people of Indian descent.
>>>
>>> Incorrect, "Flatfish" is the identity of a Wintroll, much like you.
>>
>> Wintroll? I dont use Windows currently.
>
> Not a Mactroll ?
>
>
>> But unlike YOU, I DO know that
>> just about all the apps you list giving Linux an advantage are also
>> available on Windows.
>
> Yeah, and the summit of Mount Everest is 'available' to those that climb
> it, but few can. Few are prepared to suffer the pain and hardship to
> actually achieve it.
You are a total and utter fucking idiot. Really.
William Poaster
As Quack claims "I dont use Windows currently", yet castigates you for not
being "qualified to talk about Windows when you maintain you havent used
it", how come *he* knows all about it?
This goes against what he said in AOLU:
<quote>
I'm a long term Windows user and programmer.
<unquote>
From: Hadron <qadro...@googlemail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Message-ID: <87y7hxd...@googlemail.com>
Looks like the troll's tripping himself up! ;-)
Gregory Shearman
revdep-rebuild shouldn't show any problems.
As long as you patch whenever there's a security update for your release
then all should be fine.
Actually, I just upgraded half my boxes to 2.6.26. There are a few
niggles (/dev/cdrom is now /dev/cdrom1 for example) but mostly painless.
The rest of the upgrade will happen when I've had a chance to evaluate
the upgrade.
>> It's great how during an update, when portage itself is updated, the
>> whole portage update is stopped and reloaded using the new portage.
>
> Yes, it's impressive to see.
>
> So is pkgSRC (NetBSD package manager), it's even more fun to watch. It
> will go to a repo, check the versions of the package available and select
> one that meets the criteria. its very entertaining to watch.
Never went to BSD. I've never had to go to BSD. Gentoo satisfies my
needs (for intel based boxes anyway).
Terry Porter
> Have it your way Terry Porter because I will crush you with your own
> words.
>
> Get ready......
A simple rebuttal containing some facts and a little truth would be far
more impressive.
Terry Porter
Oh gosh! :)
I never assume a Wintroll is telling the truth, being honest or even
discussing the matter at hand.
From past experience I know that Wintrolls are the scum of the Earth,
they hide under a rock where no one can see their face or be recognised so
they will never have to answer for what they say or do.
They are not people, they are gutless cowards, beneath my contempt.
Terry Porter
>> So is pkgSRC (NetBSD package manager), it's even more fun to watch. It
>> will go to a repo, check the versions of the package available and
>> select one that meets the criteria. its very entertaining to watch.
>
> Never went to BSD. I've never had to go to BSD. Gentoo satisfies my
> needs (for intel based boxes anyway).
I have FreeBSD on a old Toshiba Portege with 64MB ram and a 330Mhz p2,
and it runs very quickly, ... or it used to, as I haven't fired it up in
about a year and will never need to again, as the Linux netbooks blow it
away.
Embedded NetBSD is *really* small and fast compared to any Linux kernel
past 2.2.
Draco is Slackware with the NetBSD package manager, the best of Linux and
the best of the BSD package managers, which in my opinion blow away even
Portage, and why not, pkgSRC is way older and has way more packages than
Portage.
I'm not advocating *BSD, I far prefer Linux, but the netBSD package
manager is a beauty, why nor reuse what is old and proven ?
DFS
> FwBuilder *is* available for Windows, but you must purchase a license.
> Unless you have the money and pay the fee, FwBuilder will forever be
> beyond your reach, unless you run Linux.
Here are the latest source code files, licensed under the GPL, free for me
to use and modify and run on Windows as I see fit.
http://www.fwbuilder.org/nightly_builds/fwbuilder-3.0/build-676/
And there you are, wrong yet again.
> Getting the idea yet ?
You sure aren't.
Terry Porter
> Terry Porter wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:49:44 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>
>>>> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new Linux
>>>> users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
>>>
>>> Yours is an off-topic post. This group is for discussing the
>>> "benefits of Linux compared to other operating systems." Troll.
>>
>> As a troll, your opinion doesn't count, don't you hate that ?
>
> It's not an opinion. It's a fact, and facts always count.
Nope, wrong again.
Your facts are Wintroll facts, which happen to equal lies and untruths
around here.
While you remain a Wintroll, you will always be beneath contempt, and no
one here apart from your Wintroll mates will believe you.
Bitch and moan all you like kid, it's all water of a ducks back to me.
Now fuck off and learn some Linux.
Hadron
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:21:51 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:49:44 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new Linux
>>>>> users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
>>>>
>>>> Yours is an off-topic post. This group is for discussing the
>>>> "benefits of Linux compared to other operating systems." Troll.
>>>
>>> As a troll, your opinion doesn't count, don't you hate that ?
>>
>> It's not an opinion. It's a fact, and facts always count.
>
> Nope, wrong again.
>
> Your facts are Wintroll facts, which happen to equal lies and untruths
> around here.
>
> While you remain a Wintroll, you will always be beneath contempt, and no
> one here apart from your Wintroll mates will believe you.
>
> Bitch and moan all you like kid, it's all water of a ducks back to me.
>
> Now fuck off and learn some Linux.
You're pathetic Potter.
--
"The even stupider thing about it is, these morons really believe that
threatening people will fire and brimstone will "convert" them."
-- Andrew Halliwell <spi...@ponder.sky.com> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
DFS
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:21:51 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:49:44 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Slackware is for experienced Linux administrators only, and new
>>>>> Linux users are advised to stay well away from it for a few years.
>>>>
>>>> Yours is an off-topic post. This group is for discussing the
>>>> "benefits of Linux compared to other operating systems." Troll.
>>>
>>> As a troll, your opinion doesn't count, don't you hate that ?
>>
>> It's not an opinion. It's a fact, and facts always count.
>
> Nope, wrong again.
>
> Your facts are Wintroll facts, which happen to equal lies and untruths
> around here.
You snipped the facts. Let me reinstate them 'cause you're a dishonest
guttersnipe:
1) your post was off-topic.
2) your post was off-charter
3) you hypocritically whine that "wintrolls" don't adhere to the charter,
but you frequently also don't.
> While you remain a Wintroll, you will always be beneath contempt, and
> no one here apart from your Wintroll mates will believe you.
>
> Bitch and moan all you like kid, it's all water of a ducks back to me.
>
> Now fuck off and learn some Linux.
I already know some Linux - that's why I ridicule it so much.
I ran Slackware 10.2 for a while, and performed such glorious tasks as:
* installing a new kernel (generic 2.6.13)
* creating an initrd to use it with ext3
* adding the kernel to lilo.conf and successfully booted and used it
* got automount working with my USB key (created /mnt/usbkey, added
a line to fstab, and put a new device on the desktop. Plug in my
key, dbl-click on the icon and it mounts and opens in Konqueror (and is
available everywhere else of course).
* installed k3b (got it from linuxpackages.net), after building and
installing a few libraries (libmusicbrainz and libsamplerate) from source.
* the most fun part? Had to chmod 4711 the cdrdao file to stop a warning I
got every time k3b launched
Lots of work - for little gain. Parts of KDE were supremely unstable (3.4.2
I think). Couldn't use KNode for more than 2-3 minutes at a time before it
just crashed and disappeared from the screen. Konqueror crashed a lot as
well
I've hardly used Linux in the last 3-4 months, but I've installed at least a
dozen distros to hard drive, and run another 8 or so LiveCDs. I setup Slax
on a USB drive and booted from that. I know my way around KDE, Gnome, xfce
and even fluxbox. I've installed MySQL and PostgreSQL and used them to
create small test databases. I know Syncraptic and KPackage and gparted
pretty well. I setup and posted to cola with slrn. I've configured and
posted and emailed with Kontact/Knode, Evolution and Thunderbird. I've used
Konqueror a lot. I've spent an hour or so with emacs. A little vi, even.
It surprised me, but I kind of liked Midnight Commander. I've tried dozens
of Linux (cr)apps. I prefer Konsole of all the terminals I've used. I
built a simple interface with KDevelop once. I fooled around with beryl a
couple times. I've built a handful of packages from source. I've installed
OpenOffice probably a half-dozen times, since v1.9.79.
Just enough to be dangerous as they say.
Gregory Shearman
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:27:54 -0600, Terry Porter wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:31:34 -0500, Sandeep Kumar wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Have it your way Terry Porter because I will crush you with your own
>>> words.
>>>
>>> Get ready......
>>
>> A simple rebuttal containing some facts and a little truth would be far
>> more impressive.
>
> It's much easier to let you just post your messages.
> Why?
> Because you are wrong most of the time and in this case it took about 9
> hours before you posted your latest screw up.
See how the troll has been finally unmasked, Terry?
Gregory Shearman
> You just haven't figured it out yet.
Yeah, right.
BTW, why are you here?
Now there's the joke.
Terry Porter
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:46:12 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>
>>> FwBuilder *is* available for Windows, but you must purchase a license.
>>> Unless you have the money and pay the fee, FwBuilder will forever be
>>> beyond your reach, unless you run Linux.
>>
>> Here are the latest source code files, licensed under the GPL, free for
>> me to use and modify and run on Windows as I see fit.
Yes, if you know how to compile sourcecode.
>>
>> http://www.fwbuilder.org/nightly_builds/fwbuilder-3.0/build-676/
>>
>> And there you are, wrong yet again.
Wrong, see below, Einstein.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Getting the idea yet ?
>>
>> You sure aren't.
>
> Hahaha!
A hollow, mindless laugh it is.
>
> Has anybody in the history of COLA been more incorrect on a consistent
> basis than Terry Porter?
According to the Wintrolls ? probably not.
> I can't remember anyone, excluding the mental midgets like 7 of course
> and he just lies on purpose, like Schestowitz, so it doesn't really
> count. I suspect 7 is a lot smarter than he lets on to and Schestowitz
> is no dummy either.
I just love the dance of the two Wintroll morons, always tripping over
each other, what a pair of clowns in their old worn out clown suits and
big long floppy shoes with holes in their soles.
From my post, the part these two clowns overlooked, forgot or ignored on
purpose:-
-The Wintrolls "forget" to mention that *available* can mean that the
same
-programs that Linux users can have for Free at the click of a button via
-their package manager may require windows users to:-
-* Pay license fees
-* Search the Internet to find a "Windows" version, which may be old and
-out of date compared to the current Linux release
-* COMPILE the application and search the Internet to find Windows
-versions of dependencies it
The reader can now decide for himself if these two clown actually have
anything of substance to dance about.
Terry Porter
> Terry Porter wrote:
>> Your facts are Wintroll facts, which happen to equal lies and untruths
>> around here.
>
> You snipped the facts. Let me reinstate them 'cause you're a dishonest
> guttersnipe:
>
> 1) your post was off-topic.
Wintrolls have no say on what's on, or off topic on COLA
>
> 2) your post was off-charter
See above
>
> 3) you hypocritically whine that "wintrolls" don't adhere to the
> charter, but you frequently also don't.
Tough, cry yourself a river kid.
>
>
>> While you remain a Wintroll, you will always be beneath contempt, and
>> no one here apart from your Wintroll mates will believe you.
>>
>> Bitch and moan all you like kid, it's all water of a ducks back to me.
>>
>> Now fuck off and learn some Linux.
>
>
> I already know some Linux - that's why I ridicule it so much.
So what, most Windows users know a little about Linux. The more
intelligent ones deploy Linux as a gateway/firewall etc.
>
> I ran Slackware 10.2 for a while, and performed such glorious tasks as:
>
> * installing a new kernel (generic 2.6.13)
The easiest thing in the world.
>
> * creating an initrd to use it with ext3
That's fun, but really not necessary. Just make a 100MB /boot and make it
ext2, then there is NO need for a Initial Ram Disk
You Wintrolls sure love spinning your wheels and bitching that you're
getting nowhere with Linux.
>
> * adding the kernel to lilo.conf and successfully booted and used it
This is a trivial task, nothing to brag about.
>
> * got automount working with my USB key (created /mnt/usbkey, added a
> line to fstab, and put a new device on the desktop. Plug in my key,
> dbl-click on the icon and it mounts and opens in Konqueror (and is
> available everywhere else of course).
I don't use automount.
>
> * installed k3b (got it from linuxpackages.net), after building and
> installing a few libraries (libmusicbrainz and libsamplerate) from
> source.
I installed k3B this way :-
"emerge k3b"
Debian users do it this way 'apt-get install k3b"
and Fedora users do it this way "smart install k3b"
But you, a Wintroll, have to try and install k3B on Slackware, possibly
the single HARDEST distro to do this on.
You sound like Flatfish, moaning because a Winprinter wont work on Linux.
The result is of course that neither of you can accomplish what is
basically a simple Linux task, if done intelligently.
>
> * the most fun part? Had to chmod 4711 the cdrdao file to stop a
> warning I got every time k3b launched
Well, you will use Slackware for desktop tasks.
>
> Lots of work - for little gain.
See above.
> Parts of KDE were supremely unstable
> (3.4.2 I think). Couldn't use KNode for more than 2-3 minutes at a time
> before it just crashed and disappeared from the screen. Konqueror
> crashed a lot as well
Both are totally reliable here under Gentoo. Also under Debian and under
Fedora, and countless other distros.
I said Slackware is for *Linux experts*, and you are only supporting my
claim with your tale of woe.
>
> I've hardly used Linux in the last 3-4 months, but I've installed at
> least a dozen distros to hard drive, and run another 8 or so LiveCDs. I
> setup Slax on a USB drive and booted from that. I know my way around
> KDE, Gnome, xfce and even fluxbox. I've installed MySQL and PostgreSQL
> and used them to create small test databases. I know Syncraptic and
> KPackage and gparted pretty well. I setup and posted to cola with slrn.
> I've configured and posted and emailed with Kontact/Knode, Evolution
> and Thunderbird. I've used Konqueror a lot. I've spent an hour or so
> with emacs. A little vi, even. It surprised me,
> but I kind of liked
> Midnight Commander.
That's just your DOS background talking, I know because I use MC all the
time, part of the permanent brain damage DOS did to me. MC is a "Norton
Commander" clone.
> I've tried dozens of Linux (cr)apps. I prefer
> Konsole of all the terminals I've used. I built a simple interface with
> KDevelop once. I fooled around with beryl a couple times. I've built a
> handful of packages from source. I've installed OpenOffice probably a
> half-dozen times, since v1.9.79.
>
> Just enough to be dangerous as they say.
True.
This is all well and good, and does (if true) indicate some Linux
exposure, but its only the tip of the iceberg.
You make Linux sound hard, or in some way less than it is (an admirable
Wintroll quality) but I know differently, as I rely on Linux 100% for my
business.
If Linux was not 100% reliable, my business would stop.
I use Linux for my business because I need zero downtime, and Linux
delivers.
Hadron
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:52:15 -0500, Gary M. Stewart wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:46:12 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>>
>>>> FwBuilder *is* available for Windows, but you must purchase a license.
>>>> Unless you have the money and pay the fee, FwBuilder will forever be
>>>> beyond your reach, unless you run Linux.
>>>
>>> Here are the latest source code files, licensed under the GPL, free for
>>> me to use and modify and run on Windows as I see fit.
>
> Yes, if you know how to compile sourcecode.
Another self nuke from Terry Porter. A real Linux user ONLY compiles from
the source code - having first used millions of eyes to check there are
no naughties in it of course ....
>
>>>
>>> http://www.fwbuilder.org/nightly_builds/fwbuilder-3.0/build-676/
>>>
>>> And there you are, wrong yet again.
>
> Wrong, see below, Einstein.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Getting the idea yet ?
>>>
>>> You sure aren't.
>>
>> Hahaha!
>
> A hollow, mindless laugh it is.
>
>>
>> Has anybody in the history of COLA been more incorrect on a consistent
>> basis than Terry Porter?
>
> According to the Wintrolls ? probably not.
Definitely not. It seems you can not make a post without even Linonut
correcting you.
>
>> I can't remember anyone, excluding the mental midgets like 7 of course
>> and he just lies on purpose, like Schestowitz, so it doesn't really
>> count. I suspect 7 is a lot smarter than he lets on to and Schestowitz
>> is no dummy either.
>
> I just love the dance of the two Wintroll morons, always tripping over
> each other, what a pair of clowns in their old worn out clown suits and
> big long floppy shoes with holes in their soles.
>
> From my post, the part these two clowns overlooked, forgot or ignored on
> purpose:-
>
> -The Wintrolls "forget" to mention that *available* can mean that the
> same
> -programs that Linux users can have for Free at the click of a button via
> -their package manager may require windows users to:-
>
> -* Pay license fees
> -* Search the Internet to find a "Windows" version, which may be old and
> -out of date compared to the current Linux release
> -* COMPILE the application and search the Internet to find Windows
> -versions of dependencies it
>
> The reader can now decide for himself if these two clown actually have
> anything of substance to dance about.
Nice try, but no one is fooled.
--
"Asshole - you just started this thread to give you a few more opportunities
to show off what an unmitigated prick you are."
-- Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Hadron
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:23:24 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Terry Porter wrote:
>
>>> Your facts are Wintroll facts, which happen to equal lies and untruths
>>> around here.
>>
>> You snipped the facts. Let me reinstate them 'cause you're a dishonest
>> guttersnipe:
>>
>> 1) your post was off-topic.
>
> Wintrolls have no say on what's on, or off topic on COLA
>
>>
>> 2) your post was off-charter
>
> See above
>
>>
>> 3) you hypocritically whine that "wintrolls" don't adhere to the
>> charter, but you frequently also don't.
>
> Tough, cry yourself a river kid.
Looks like Terry Porter is a bit of a net 'copter pilot too. Scary!
>
>>
>>
>>> While you remain a Wintroll, you will always be beneath contempt, and
>>> no one here apart from your Wintroll mates will believe you.
>>>
>>> Bitch and moan all you like kid, it's all water of a ducks back to me.
>>>
>>> Now fuck off and learn some Linux.
>>
>>
>> I already know some Linux - that's why I ridicule it so much.
>
> So what, most Windows users know a little about Linux. The more
> intelligent ones deploy Linux as a gateway/firewall etc.
And according to you 20% as Desktop solutions! LOL!
>
>>
>> I ran Slackware 10.2 for a while, and performed such glorious tasks as:
>>
>> * installing a new kernel (generic 2.6.13)
>
> The easiest thing in the world.
And yet in an earlier post you are suggesting that compiling fwbuilder
from source is difficult.
>
>>
>> * creating an initrd to use it with ext3
>
> That's fun, but really not necessary. Just make a 100MB /boot and make it
> ext2, then there is NO need for a Initial Ram Disk
bwahahahahahha.
>
> You Wintrolls sure love spinning your wheels and bitching that you're
> getting nowhere with Linux.
>
>>
>> * adding the kernel to lilo.conf and successfully booted and used it
>
> This is a trivial task, nothing to brag about.
modifying boot configs as root is not a good idea for a beginner. Thank
god for installers like synaptic.
>
>>
>> * got automount working with my USB key (created /mnt/usbkey, added a
>> line to fstab, and put a new device on the desktop. Plug in my key,
>> dbl-click on the icon and it mounts and opens in Konqueror (and is
>> available everywhere else of course).
>
> I don't use automount.
So your opinion us, as usual, useless and not based on any experience.
>
>>
>> * installed k3b (got it from linuxpackages.net), after building and
>> installing a few libraries (libmusicbrainz and libsamplerate) from
>> source.
>
> I installed k3B this way :-
>
> "emerge k3b"
>
> Debian users do it this way 'apt-get install k3b"
You forgot the sudo.
>
> I said Slackware is for *Linux experts*, and you are only supporting my
> claim with your tale of woe.
Yup. Your "emerge" use was breathtaking.
>
>>
>> I've hardly used Linux in the last 3-4 months, but I've installed at
>> least a dozen distros to hard drive, and run another 8 or so LiveCDs. I
>> setup Slax on a USB drive and booted from that. I know my way around
>> KDE, Gnome, xfce and even fluxbox. I've installed MySQL and PostgreSQL
>> and used them to create small test databases. I know Syncraptic and
>> KPackage and gparted pretty well. I setup and posted to cola with slrn.
>> I've configured and posted and emailed with Kontact/Knode, Evolution
>> and Thunderbird. I've used Konqueror a lot. I've spent an hour or so
>> with emacs. A little vi, even. It surprised me,
>
>> but I kind of liked
>> Midnight Commander.
>
> That's just your DOS background talking, I know because I use MC all the
> time, part of the permanent brain damage DOS did to me. MC is a "Norton
> Commander" clone.
He likes it because of basic functionality. e.g I use dired in
emacs. Trust you to suggest "brain damage".
>
>> I've tried dozens of Linux (cr)apps. I prefer
>> Konsole of all the terminals I've used. I built a simple interface with
>> KDevelop once. I fooled around with beryl a couple times. I've built a
>> handful of packages from source. I've installed OpenOffice probably a
>> half-dozen times, since v1.9.79.
>>
>> Just enough to be dangerous as they say.
>
> True.
>
> This is all well and good, and does (if true) indicate some Linux
> exposure, but its only the tip of the iceberg.
>
> You make Linux sound hard, or in some way less than it is (an admirable
> Wintroll quality) but I know differently, as I rely on Linux 100% for my
> business.
You sell prepackaged Linux routers.
>
> If Linux was not 100% reliable, my business would stop.
linux is not 100% reliable.
>
> I use Linux for my business because I need zero downtime, and Linux
> delivers.
Stop bigging it up. You dont "need" zero downtime to run post to COLA,
run a blog and telnet into peoples machines without their knowledge.
chrisv
> Why?
*plonk*
Terry Porter
> Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> writes:
<snip>
>> Tough, cry yourself a river kid.
>
> Looks like Terry Porter is a bit of a net 'copter pilot too. Scary!
Flying a helicopter yourself for the first time has GOT to be one of the
most intense experiences around. Try it and stop wasting your time
Wintrolling here on COLA.
>> So what, most Windows users know a little about Linux. The more
>> intelligent ones deploy Linux as a gateway/firewall etc.
>
> And according to you 20% as Desktop solutions! LOL!
Lets face it, neither of us actually know how many Linux desktops there
are right now, or how many there will be tomorrow.
But I think that tomorrow there will be more Linux desktops than today,
and so do you, or you'd be trolling some other Microsoft competition
group.
>
>
>>
>>> I ran Slackware 10.2 for a while, and performed such glorious tasks
>>> as:
>>>
>>> * installing a new kernel (generic 2.6.13)
>>
>> The easiest thing in the world.
>
> And yet in an earlier post you are suggesting that compiling fwbuilder
> from source is difficult.
Only for Windows users, when compared to Linux users.
"emerge fwbuilder" is all I have to do with Linux.
>
>
>>
>>> * creating an initrd to use it with ext3
>>
>> That's fun, but really not necessary. Just make a 100MB /boot and make
>> it ext2, then there is NO need for a Initial Ram Disk
>
> bwahahahahahha.
You really have no idea why you went to all that trouble do you ?
>
>
>> You Wintrolls sure love spinning your wheels and bitching that you're
>> getting nowhere with Linux.
>>
>>
>>> * adding the kernel to lilo.conf and successfully booted and used it
>>
>> This is a trivial task, nothing to brag about.
>
> modifying boot configs as root is not a good idea for a beginner.
Bullshit, it's easy as eating apple pie. If the beginner screws it up,
they can start again, no need to persuade 'Abdul' in Calcutta that your
license is legitimate like Windows forces them to.
> Thank
> god for installers like synaptic.
Spoken like a Wintroll.
>
>
>>
>>> * got automount working with my USB key (created /mnt/usbkey, added a
>>> line to fstab, and put a new device on the desktop. Plug in my key,
>>> dbl-click on the icon and it mounts and opens in Konqueror (and is
>>> available everywhere else of course).
>>
>> I don't use automount.
>
> So your opinion us, as usual, useless and not based on any experience.
Only as regards automount. Try not to build a religion with that one
little fact.
>
>
>>
>>> * installed k3b (got it from linuxpackages.net), after building and
>>> installing a few libraries (libmusicbrainz and libsamplerate) from
>>> source.
>>
>> I installed k3B this way :-
>>
>> "emerge k3b"
>>
>> Debian users do it this way 'apt-get install k3b"
>
> You forgot the sudo.
Forgive my monumental blunder ....
Debian users do it this way 'sudo apt-get install k3b"
>
>
>> I said Slackware is for *Linux experts*, and you are only supporting my
>> claim with your tale of woe.
>
> Yup. Your "emerge" use was breathtaking.
I hope you didn't turn green ?
>
>
>>
>>> I've hardly used Linux in the last 3-4 months, but I've installed at
>>> least a dozen distros to hard drive, and run another 8 or so LiveCDs.
>>> I setup Slax on a USB drive and booted from that. I know my way
>>> around KDE, Gnome, xfce and even fluxbox. I've installed MySQL and
>>> PostgreSQL and used them to create small test databases. I know
>>> Syncraptic and KPackage and gparted pretty well. I setup and posted
>>> to cola with slrn.
>>> I've configured and posted and emailed with Kontact/Knode, Evolution
>>> and Thunderbird. I've used Konqueror a lot. I've spent an hour or so
>>> with emacs. A little vi, even. It surprised me,
>>
>>> but I kind of liked
>>> Midnight Commander.
>>
>> That's just your DOS background talking, I know because I use MC all
>> the time, part of the permanent brain damage DOS did to me. MC is a
>> "Norton Commander" clone.
>
> He likes it
He ? have you been talking about your dad when you claim to actual do
complex things ?
> because of basic functionality. e.g I use dired in emacs.
> Trust you to suggest "brain damage".
>
>
>>> I've tried dozens of Linux (cr)apps. I prefer
>>> Konsole of all the terminals I've used. I built a simple interface
>>> with KDevelop once. I fooled around with beryl a couple times. I've
>>> built a handful of packages from source. I've installed OpenOffice
>>> probably a half-dozen times, since v1.9.79.
>>>
>>> Just enough to be dangerous as they say.
>>
>> True.
>>
>> This is all well and good, and does (if true) indicate some Linux
>> exposure, but its only the tip of the iceberg.
>>
>> You make Linux sound hard, or in some way less than it is (an admirable
>> Wintroll quality) but I know differently, as I rely on Linux 100% for
>> my business.
>
> You sell prepackaged Linux routers.
I sell WiFi, which is everything from WiF APs to antennas and cables and
connectors.
The *only* router I sell is a Linksys WRT54GL, care to guess why ?
>
>
>> If Linux was not 100% reliable, my business would stop.
>
> linux is not 100% reliable.
Ok, If Linux was not 99.99999999999% reliable, my business would stop
happy now ?
>
>
>> I use Linux for my business because I need zero downtime, and Linux
>> delivers.
>
> Stop bigging it up.
Stop bigging what up ?
> You dont "need" zero downtime to run post to COLA,
> run a blog and telnet into peoples machines without their knowledge.
I'm not interested in hearing what you do with Windows.
JEDIDIAH
> Terry Porter <lin...@netspace.net.au> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:52:15 -0500, Gary M. Stewart wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:46:12 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Terry Porter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FwBuilder *is* available for Windows, but you must purchase a license.
>>>>> Unless you have the money and pay the fee, FwBuilder will forever be
>>>>> beyond your reach, unless you run Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Here are the latest source code files, licensed under the GPL, free for
>>>> me to use and modify and run on Windows as I see fit.
>>
>> Yes, if you know how to compile sourcecode.
>
> Another self nuke from Terry Porter. A real Linux user ONLY compiles from
> the source code - having first used millions of eyes to check there are
> no naughties in it of course ....
...that's fine for Linux users.
We get all the compilers we can handle FOR FREE.
[deletia]
A source only distribution is pretty useless to the average Windows user.
It might not even be particularly useful to the average Windows DEVELOPER.
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