What does Donald Knuth and Microsoft have in common?
Homer
Entries 9 and 27 of the "Sustaining Contributors", respectively.
"Linux is a cancer" ~ Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO.
Hypocrite.
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Greg Cox
> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2008supporters.html
>
> Entries 9 and 27 of the "Sustaining Contributors", respectively.
>
> "Linux is a cancer" ~ Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO.
>
> Hypocrite.
>
>
This isn't what you think it is. The Microsoft Giving Campaign is an
annual charity drive at Microsoft. Microsoft employees are encouraged
to give a donation to any legally registered charity/non-profit and
Microsoft will match the amount given (up to some maximum amount per
year).
So what you're actually seeing is some number of Microsoft employees
donating to gnu.org and getting their donation matched by Microsoft
Corp.
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____/ Greg Cox on Sunday 01 February 2009 02:57 : \____
>
>
> In article <et9f56-...@sky.matrix>, use...@slated.org says...
>> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2008supporters.html
>>
>> Entries 9 and 27 of the "Sustaining Contributors", respectively.
>>
>> "Linux is a cancer" ~ Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO.
>>
>> Hypocrite.
>>
>>
>
> This isn't what you think it is. The Microsoft Giving Campaign is an
> annual charity drive at Microsoft. Microsoft employees are encouraged
> to give a donation to any legally registered charity/non-profit and
> Microsoft will match the amount given (up to some maximum amount per
> year).
>
> So what you're actually seeing is some number of Microsoft employees
> donating to gnu.org and getting their donation matched by Microsoft
> Corp.
They could be trying to shut him up. It's hard to criticise one who puts money
on your table.
You should know, Greg. You used to work for Microsoft and now you attend a
Linux newsgroup where you defend Microsoft.
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Greg Cox
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> ____/ Greg Cox on Sunday 01 February 2009 02:57 : \____
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> >
> >
> > In article <et9f56-...@sky.matrix>, use...@slated.org says...
> >> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2008supporters.html
> >>
> >> Entries 9 and 27 of the "Sustaining Contributors", respectively.
> >>
> >> "Linux is a cancer" ~ Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO.
> >>
> >> Hypocrite.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > This isn't what you think it is. The Microsoft Giving Campaign is an
> > annual charity drive at Microsoft. Microsoft employees are encouraged
> > to give a donation to any legally registered charity/non-profit and
> > Microsoft will match the amount given (up to some maximum amount per
> > year).
> >
> > So what you're actually seeing is some number of Microsoft employees
> > donating to gnu.org and getting their donation matched by Microsoft
> > Corp.
>
> They could be trying to shut him up. It's hard to criticise one who puts money
> on your table.
They who? Microsoft? Do you honestly think Microsoft is encouraging
their employees to donate money to gnu.org so they they have to match
the donation? And they expect that this will somehow give them
influence over the business decisions made by gnu.org? Even worse, do
you honestly think gnu.org is willing to sell themselves to Microsoft
for 30 pieces of silver, uh, a donation between $1000 and $4999? You
make gnu.org sound like a stereotypical politician. Is that how you
really see them?
>
> You should know, Greg. You used to work for Microsoft and now you attend a
> Linux newsgroup where you defend Microsoft.
>
Yes, I did work for Microsoft. I was there eighteen years. And I left
almost ten years ago. So what? Oh, now I understand. I stated
accurate facts that don't mesh with your view of the world 100% so I
must be defending Microsoft. That's really sad that your world is
limited to just "them" and "us".
Terry Porter
> In article <1245799.b...@schestowitz.com>,
>> You should know, Greg. You used to work for Microsoft and now you attend
>> a Linux newsgroup where you defend Microsoft.
>>
>
Hi Greg :)
> Yes, I did work for Microsoft. I was there eighteen years. And I left
> almost ten years ago. So what? Oh, now I understand. I stated
> accurate facts that don't mesh with your view of the world 100% so I
> must be defending Microsoft. That's really sad that your world is
> limited to just "them" and "us".
Why is it sad ?
The Linux world, especially in COLA is most definitely limited to Microsoft
v/s GNU/Linux, it's "them" or "us".
You have read the Comes vs Microsoft stuff havent you ?
It's quite damning for Microsoft and does highlight their fear of and
attacks against Linux.
Microsoft are doing everything they can to destroy Linux, you have to expect
a little Linux Advocate ill will I think ?
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Erik Funkenbusch
> The Linux world, especially in COLA is most definitely limited to Microsoft
> v/s GNU/Linux, it's "them" or "us".
Of course, ignoring the fact that there are others as well.
> You have read the Comes vs Microsoft stuff havent you ?
>
> It's quite damning for Microsoft and does highlight their fear of and
> attacks against Linux.
I doubt Microsoft cares, actually. Emails are not nearly the smoking gun
you think they are, largely because many of the things you think you find
aren't what you think they are.
> Microsoft are doing everything they can to destroy Linux, you have to expect
> a little Linux Advocate ill will I think ?
The irony meter is off the charts. You think nothing of Linux advocates
trying to destroy Microsoft, and participate willingly, yet you think
Microsoft trying to compete with it's competition is evil and deserves "ill
will".
How is it that you can't see that you yourself, and those who you chum
around with are doing EXACTLY what you accuse Microsoft of?
Ezekiel
"Greg Cox" <gr...@NOWHERE.com> wrote in message
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If there was ever any doubt that Roy Schestowitz is a clueless punk then
this ought to prove it once and for all.
Yes folks... in the tiny malfunctioning brain of Roy Schestowitz it's
'sinister and evil' when a company donates to charity by matching the
contributions of their employees dollar-for-dollar. This is how the brain of
an idiot functions.
Hadron
Yup. I used my experience with programming and using Windows system to
make a point about various things and now one particularly stupid COLA
"advocate", one "Willy Poaster", keeps referring to it as if it means I
only use MS now. I dont. I ONLY use Debian now. But that's how they are
here. Crazee.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Terry Porter on Sunday 01 February 2009 08:42 : \____
>
>
> Greg Cox wrote:
>
>> In article <1245799.b...@schestowitz.com>,
>
>>> You should know, Greg. You used to work for Microsoft and now you attend
>>> a Linux newsgroup where you defend Microsoft.
>>>
>>
>
> Hi Greg :)
>
>> Yes, I did work for Microsoft. I was there eighteen years. And I left
>> almost ten years ago. So what? Oh, now I understand. I stated
>> accurate facts that don't mesh with your view of the world 100% so I
>> must be defending Microsoft. That's really sad that your world is
>> limited to just "them" and "us".
>
> Why is it sad ?
>
> The Linux world, especially in COLA is most definitely limited to Microsoft
> v/s GNU/Linux, it's "them" or "us".
>
> You have read the Comes vs Microsoft stuff havent you ?
>
> It's quite damning for Microsoft and does highlight their fear of and
> attacks against Linux.
>
> Microsoft are doing everything they can to destroy Linux, you have to expect
> a little Linux Advocate ill will I think ?
It makes you wonder how many of the "Linux suxes" and "George Barcas" are also
former/existing Microsoft employees (from the days of some of the worst
crimes).
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chrisv
> Terry Porter wrote:
>>
>> Microsoft are doing everything they can to destroy Linux, you have to expect
>> a little Linux Advocate ill will I think ?
>
>The irony meter is off the charts.
No, it's not.
>You think nothing of Linux advocates
>trying to destroy Microsoft, and participate willingly,
Stop lying, Fuddie. Most of us just want the world to have choice -
to not be bullied and steam-rolled and locked-into a monopoly. This
is NOT "trying to destroy Microsoft".
It's MICRO$OFT that wants to dominate and control, NOT advocates of
FOSS.
>How is it that you can't see that you yourself, and those who you chum
>around with are doing EXACTLY what you accuse Microsoft of?
You're a lying fsckwit, Fuddie, because we are doing NOTHING of the
kind.
Homer
Verily I say unto thee, that Greg Cox spake thusly:
> In article <et9f56-...@sky.matrix>, use...@slated.org says...
>> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2008supporters.html
>>
>> Entries 9 and 27 of the "Sustaining Contributors", respectively.
>>
>> "Linux is a cancer" ~ Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO.
>>
>> Hypocrite.
>
> This isn't what you think it is.
Which part?
The part where Microsoft's CEO calls Linux a "cancer", or the part where
Microsoft then donates money to help spread that "cancer"?
> The Microsoft Giving Campaign is an annual charity drive at
> Microsoft. Microsoft employees are encouraged to give a donation to
> any legally registered charity/non-profit and Microsoft will match
> the amount given (up to some maximum amount per year).
And naturally this is entirely out of Microsoft's control, and they have
no say in the matter whatsoever (honest), just like Gates has no say
whatsoever in which companies his fundation[sic] invests in?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,6827615.story?page=1
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c546eaf6-a26a-11db-a187-0000779e2340.html
Microsoft's problem with research seems endemic, as apparently they were
also "too busy" to find any documented evidence that "Linux infringes
235 Microsoft patents":
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/24/microsoft_novell_patents/
But then this is only to be expected from a company that can't even find
its own E-mails:
http://www.technologyevangelist.com/2007/02/microsoft_dirty_tric_4.html
Yes, these pesky logistical problems are all very "inconvenient" for the
Vole, I'm sure.
> So what you're actually seeing is...
...a Microsoft astroturfer in action.
Yes Greg, we know.
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Homer
>>> So what you're actually seeing is some number of Microsoft
>>> employees donating to gnu.org and getting their donation matched
>>> by Microsoft Corp.
>>
>> They could be trying to shut him up. It's hard to criticise one who
>> puts money on your table.
>
> They who? Microsoft? Do you honestly think Microsoft is encouraging
> their employees to donate money to gnu.org so they they have to
> match the donation? And they expect that this will somehow give them
> influence over the business decisions made by gnu.org?
Microsoft has an extremely well documented history of attempting to
"influence" (i.e. bribe) others with money (the only real asset they
actually have):
[quote]
Mba-Uzoukwu wrote that Microsoft is still negotiating an agreement that
would give TSC US$400,000 (£190,323) for marketing activities around the
Classmate PCs when those computers are converted to Windows.
[/quote]
[quote]
Microsoft Sweden was later found to have offered extra "marketing
contributions" to its business partners to encourage them to vote for
OOXML, according to e-mails seen by Computer Sweden.
[/quote]
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/08/31/Sweden-OOXML-vote-invalid_1.html
[quote]
According to at least six bloggers, Microsoft has been sending out free
top-of-the-line laptops pre-loaded with Vista as a 'no strings attached
gifts'. This 'reward' for their hard work on covering tech in general is
coincidentally right before the launch of Vista to consumers. To be
clear, these weren't loans, they were gifts, and they were
top-of-the-line Acer Ferrari laptops. Microsoft blogger Long Zheng broke
the silence over the source of the freebies.
[/quote]
http://slashdot.org/articles/06/12/27/1423234.shtml
[quote]
A ROW IS BREWING between a bunch of bloggers who took cash from
Microsoft marketing outfit and stodgy old media types who take their
bribes in less obvious ways.
The row started on Friday when the ValleyWag revealed how some "star
boggers" had taken some cash from Federated Media to repeat some
Microsoft sloganeering in copy on their websites.
Michael Arrington tells all how his Techcrunch site became
"people-ready". Gigaom's Om Malik talks about when a business becomes
"people ready". Others named and shamed include Paul Kedrosky and Matt
Marshall of Venture Beat, as well as Fred Wilson, the blogger-investor.
Ads with the Volish motto appear on the blogger's site.
[/quote]
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/06/25/boggers-embroiled-in-volish-bribery-kerfuffle
[quote]
Mercury News writers Mike Antonucci and Dean Takahashi demo and review
the new Halo 3, Microsoft’s much anticipated new gaming title. Nooch
calls it “one of the biggest days in videogame history.” And the duo
discuss the approximately $800 press kit that showed up in the mail for
Dean - a giant, personalized duffel bag filled with Halo 3 schwag.
[/quote]
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/09/24/video_dean_and_nooch_demo_halo_3/
[quote]
Microsoft sharpshooter Joachim Kempin, who was convicted of illegally
shooting antelope in Montana in 1998, has been turning his guns on a
more familiar target: Microsoft's own OEM customers.
The States' remedy hearing opened in DC yesterday, and States attorney
Steven Kuney produced a devastating memo from Kempin, then in charge of
Microsoft's OEM business, written after Judge Jackson had ordered his
break-up of the company. Kempin raises the possibility of threatening
Dell and other PC builders which promote Linux.
"I'm thinking of hitting the OEMs harder than in the past with
anti-Linux. ... they should do a delicate dance," Kempin wrote to
Ballmer, in what is sure to be a memorable addition to the phrases
("knife the baby", "cut off the air supply") with which Microsoft
enriched the English language in the first trial. Unlike those two, this
is not contested.
[/quote]
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/19/microsoft_killed_dell_linux_states/
> Even worse, do you honestly think gnu.org is willing to sell
> themselves to Microsoft
No, but I'm sure that won't stop the Redmond gangsters from trying anyway.
> for 30 pieces of silver, uh, a donation between $1000 and $4999?
You're right, I don't see this as a serious attempt to bribe gnu.org, I
see this as Sweaty Ballmer extending a greasy palm with one hand, whilst
concealing a crowbar behind his back with the other, in the vain and
desperate hope of having some degree of influence.
> You make gnu.org sound like a stereotypical politician. Is that how
> you really see them?
No, but I'm sure that's how Microsoft see pretty much everyone else.
>> You should know, Greg. You used to work for Microsoft and now you
>> attend a Linux newsgroup where you defend Microsoft.
>>
>
> Yes, I did work for Microsoft. I was there eighteen years. And I
> left almost ten years ago. So what? Oh, now I understand. I stated
> accurate facts that don't mesh with your view of the world 100% so I
> must be defending Microsoft. That's really sad that your world is
> limited to just "them" and "us".
In this long running series of battles, involving many different parties
at various times (both profit and non-profit), there is an antagonist
who attacks unilaterally, and a protagonist who defends reciprocally.
Can you guess which one Microsoft is?
Here's some research material to help you decide:
http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653
http://boycottnovell.com/microsoft-critique-resources/
http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft#Criticism
http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/index.html
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/30/evangelism-is-war-memo/
http://www.catb.org/~esr/halloween/
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/10/edgi-continued-dumping-vs-gnu/
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/ms_findings.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/19/microsoft_killed_dell_linux_states/
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/300590_software22.html
http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/government-law/public-sector/news/index.cfm?newsid=6124&pn=2
http://www.os2world.com/content/view/14871/2/
http://news.softpedia.com/news/One-Laptop-Per-Child-Sabotaged-by-Microsoft-and-Intel-71941.shtml
http://slated.org/microsoft_kills_baby
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/12/16/xbox_scratched_discs_updated/
http://thepopulist.wordpress.com/2003/10/10/the-trials-of-microsoft/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_antitrust_case
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>
> It makes you wonder how many of the "Linux suxes" and "George Barcas" are also
> former/existing Microsoft employees (from the days of some of the worst
> crimes).
How can you be sure they aren't still *current* employees?
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____/ Homer on Sunday 01 February 2009 19:29 : \____
>
>
> [sniff] I smell freshly cut astroturf.
>
> Verily I say unto thee, that Greg Cox spake thusly:
>> In article <et9f56-...@sky.matrix>, use...@slated.org says...
>>> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2008supporters.html
>>>
>>> Entries 9 and 27 of the "Sustaining Contributors", respectively.
>>>
>>> "Linux is a cancer" ~ Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO.
>>>
>>> Hypocrite.
>>
>> This isn't what you think it is.
>
> Which part?
>
> The part where Microsoft's CEO calls Linux a "cancer", or the part where
> Microsoft then donates money to help spread that "cancer"?
Microsoft gave 4-5 orders of magnitude more money to SCO ;-)
>> The Microsoft Giving Campaign is an annual charity drive at
>> Microsoft. Microsoft employees are encouraged to give a donation to
>> any legally registered charity/non-profit and Microsoft will match
>> the amount given (up to some maximum amount per year).
>
> And naturally this is entirely out of Microsoft's control, and they have
> no say in the matter whatsoever (honest), just like Gates has no say
> whatsoever in which companies his fundation[sic] invests in?
Watch Comes. BillG has a mouthful about Linux, which he fears and hates.
Freedom makes him vomit.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,6827615.story?page=1
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c546eaf6-a26a-11db-a187-0000779e2340.html
>
> Microsoft's problem with research seems endemic, as apparently they were
> also "too busy" to find any documented evidence that "Linux infringes
> 235 Microsoft patents":
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/24/microsoft_novell_patents/
>
> But then this is only to be expected from a company that can't even find
> its own E-mails:
>
> http://www.technologyevangelist.com/2007/02/microsoft_dirty_tric_4.html
>
> Yes, these pesky logistical problems are all very "inconvenient" for the
> Vole, I'm sure.
>
>> So what you're actually seeing is...
>
> ...a Microsoft astroturfer in action.
>
> Yes Greg, we know.
...What you did last summer... or for 18 years... at Microsoft.
Comes goes back to the late 80s where you can see sheer crime.
Did Greg participate? Did he just Peasant.TakeOrder() ?
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____/ Gregory Shearman on Sunday 01 February 2009 20:45 : \____
>
>
> On 2009-02-01, Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>>
>> It makes you wonder how many of the "Linux suxes" and "George Barcas" are
>> also former/existing Microsoft employees (from the days of some of the worst
>> crimes).
>
> How can you be sure they aren't still *current* employees?
That why I wrote "former/existing".
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Greg Cox
@netspace.net.au says...
> Greg Cox wrote:
>
> > In article <1245799.b...@schestowitz.com>,
>
> >> You should know, Greg. You used to work for Microsoft and now you attend
> >> a Linux newsgroup where you defend Microsoft.
> >>
> >
>
> Hi Greg :)
Hi Terry.
>
> > Yes, I did work for Microsoft. I was there eighteen years. And I left
> > almost ten years ago. So what? Oh, now I understand. I stated
> > accurate facts that don't mesh with your view of the world 100% so I
> > must be defending Microsoft. That's really sad that your world is
> > limited to just "them" and "us".
>
> Why is it sad ?
Because reality is not a black and white, us vs. them world. Reality
consists of shades of grey. When you simplify your outlook of the world
to this extreme, you have to ignore or discard 99% of the truth.
This is why extremist groups frequently adopt this kind of strategy. It
allows the leaders to control the members by simplifying everything down
to us=good and them=bad. The members aren't actually required to think
when they have this simple outlook. In fact, everything runs much
smoother in the group when thinking is completely eliminated.
Greg Cox
From the day I joined Microsoft, Bill Gates actively encouraged all
employees to donate to the charity/non-profit of their choice with
Microsoft matching all donations to some reasonable limit. This should
probably be no big surprise given that Bill's mother was a high mucky-
muck in the local United Way org. That's certainly good. However, I'm
not sure just how enthusiastic Microsoft would have been with the
matching donations if there wasn't the law that allowed Microsoft to
deduct the matching donations from their income tax...
High Plains Thumper
> This is why extremist groups frequently adopt this kind of
> strategy. It allows the leaders to control the members by
> simplifying everything down to us=good and them=bad. The
> members aren't actually required to think when they have this
> simple outlook. In fact, everything runs much smoother in the
> group when thinking is completely eliminated.
Sounds like much of the whines from Hadron, DFS, Ezekiel,
flatfish (Gary), and ad nauseum. Those who advocate Linux are
simply wicked in their limited minds.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a629a59a2088782b
Posted by flatfish:
From: George Barca <georgebarca1...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:40:58 -0500
Subject: COLA is full of fanatic Linux Zealots. Look Elsewhere
for Linux Advocacy.
[quote]
Folks, this isn't a Linux advocacy group, it's a religious cult
of star struck "never have beens" many of which have done nothing
to advocate Linux other than make themselves and sadly the real
Linux advocates by association, foolish.
One point in particular is a good example of how ignorant some of
these people are and that is it's a known fact that the majority,
all in fact, use Windows by day yet they like to denigrate the
Windows users calling them Windummies and other slurs.
So by association, they must be the same and in fact even worse
because they know about an alternative, Linux, yet they still
cling to Windows to earn their living.
In closing, if you really want to see what ultra left wing wackos
exist in the Linux community take a close look at Roy's IRC
channel which if one didn't know would suspect it was being run
out of a mental institution with the patients in charge.
These people are dangerous both to the industry, Linux and in
some cases to themselves. I won't mention names, you can look for
yourself, but some of them are so bitter, so angry and so
obviously disturbed that they really should seek some medical
attention before they go over the edge, snap and harm themselves.
The hate, the arrogance the craziness and the obsession with
anything proprietary on that channel is sick.
[/quote]
Yes, there is an "us" versus "them" and much of the "slash and
burn" has not been created by the advocates. Rather, their ad
hominem attacks toward advocates have left advocates in a
defensive posture.
If they were eliminated or deceased would make for a better
discussion group.
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(If all else fails, play dead)
- "Red" Green
Snit
on 2/1/09 7:57 PM:
> Greg Cox wrote:
>
>> This is why extremist groups frequently adopt this kind of
>> strategy. It allows the leaders to control the members by
>> simplifying everything down to us=good and them=bad. The
>> members aren't actually required to think when they have this
>> simple outlook. In fact, everything runs much smoother in the
>> group when thinking is completely eliminated.
>
> Sounds like much of the whines from Hadron, DFS, Ezekiel,
> flatfish (Gary), and ad nauseum.
My oh my! Look at how you try to turn things around... trying to make
everything look like us vs them, good vs evil... and yet you and your
friends show a very low level of thinking.
Look at the recent little spat: I happily *proved* my claims with screen
shots and video, I quoted KDE and Gnome docs and such leaders in the OSS
community as Shuttleworth, and I point to user interface studies and expert
opinion. All of this showed that my view is certainly mainstream and,
frankly, pretty obvious.
And in response I get you, Peter Köhlmann, and RonB giving knee-jerk
dissentions... with Peter saying the problems are as they should be (with
nothing to back him on that) and RonB saying they are so rare as to be
inconsequential (as if Firefox and OpenOffice were minor little apps).
The facts are simple: cut and paste has some pretty bizarre and inconsistent
behavior on, at least, Ubuntu. This behavior offers *no* user benefits that
anyone has been able to list... and it clearly can lead to detrimental and
confusing behavior.
Same idea with the menus I pointed to: clearly they are inconsistent...
proved via screenshots. RonB, at first, denied the inconsistencies and then
claimed they did not matter (while openly lying about my views). Peter just
flat out lied and claimed the screen shots were forged... something there is
*no* evidence for (but if he was right the evidence would be trivial to
produce).
On and on... you, Peter, and RonB have been showing you will just lash out
against anyone who points to a problem with Linux... even a problem you
claim to think is trivial. You all act like a gang of rabid hyenas whooping
it up and yelping in delight.
...
> Yes, there is an "us" versus "them" and much of the "slash and
> burn" has not been created by the advocates. Rather, their ad
> hominem attacks toward advocates have left advocates in a
> defensive posture.
Do not try to defend your behavior toward me by blaming others. Take
responsibility for your own actions!
> If they were eliminated or deceased would make for a better
> discussion group.
I agree absolutely. I am willing to offer advice and assistance if you need
it as you work toward your goal.
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> Greg Cox wrote:
>
>> This is why extremist groups frequently adopt this kind of
>> strategy. It allows the leaders to control the members by
>> simplifying everything down to us=good and them=bad. The
>> members aren't actually required to think when they have
>> this simple outlook. In fact, everything runs much smoother
>> in the group when thinking is completely eliminated.
>
> Sounds like much of the whines from Hadron, DFS, Ezekiel,
> flatfish (Gary), and ad nauseum. Those who advocate Linux are
> simply wicked in their limited minds.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/a629a59a2088782b
>
> Posted by flatfish:
>
>
> Subject: COLA is full of fanatic Linux Zealots. Look Elsewhere
> for Linux Advocacy.
>
> [quote] Folks, this isn't a Linux advocacy group, it's a
> religious cult of star struck "never have beens" many of which
> have done nothing to advocate Linux other than make themselves
> and sadly the real Linux advocates by association, foolish.
[...]
> The hate, the arrogance the craziness and the obsession with
> anything proprietary on that channel is sick. [/quote]
>
> Yes, there is an "us" versus "them" and much of the "slash and
> burn" has not been created by the advocates. Rather, their
> ad hominem attacks toward advocates have left advocates in a
> defensive posture.
>
> If they were eliminated or deceased would make for a better
> discussion group.
Oh, and I wanted to add. Eliminating one other, a nutter by the
name of Michael Glasser AKA Snit, Rhino Plastee, ThunderCleats,
sigmond and other socks would go a long way toward making this a
civilised discussion group (not to mention also
comp.sys.mac.advocacy).
Following is one of many documents on Snit's Linux advocacy lunacy:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f99aa91d7d867e9a
Following contains 127 poster quotes documenting the Snit Circus
of Pathological Lies:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/813dee9005743e80
Snit
on 2/1/09 8:33 PM:
...
>> If they were eliminated or deceased would make for a better
>> discussion group.
>
> Oh, and I wanted to add.
Good luck with your math lessons! :)
> Eliminating one other, a nutter by the name of Michael Glasser AKA Snit, Rhino
> Plastee, ThunderCleats, sigmond and other socks would go a long way toward
> making this a civilised discussion group (not to mention also
> comp.sys.mac.advocacy).
Why not stop lashing out against me and making up stories about me?
Seriously... you claimed to want to end the "us" vs. "them" thinking and
here you are lashing out with baseless and absurd accusations against a
group you clearly see as "them"...
>
> Following is one of many documents on Snit's Linux advocacy lunacy:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f99aa91d7d867e9a
>
> Following contains 127 poster quotes documenting the Snit Circus
> of Pathological Lies:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/813dee9005743e80
Here are some of your favorite quotes:
Ad hominem troll at its simplest, will attack people
personally, rather than the merits of their statements
or methodologies.
and:
The ad hominem troll often has already lost a rational
argument about a topic, and thus its goal is to change the
argument from being about a topic, to being about the people
opposed to the troll (which could mean any/all rational
person(s) in the discussion), in the hopes of both
discrediting people's ideas indirectly by discrediting the
people, and engendering an emotional reaction from the people
by attacking their egos / self-image. The "getting a reaction
out of" goal is common to most troll types.
Now we know why you keep focusing on those quotes... you are openly
trolling.
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>
> ____/ Gregory Shearman on Sunday 01 February 2009 20:45 : \____
>
>>
>>
>> On 2009-02-01, Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It makes you wonder how many of the "Linux suxes" and "George Barcas" are
>>> also former/existing Microsoft employees (from the days of some of the worst
>>> crimes).
>>
>> How can you be sure they aren't still *current* employees?
>
> That why I wrote "former/existing".
The way I read it was "former Microsoft Employees now freelance astroturfing".
>
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>
> On 2009-02-02, Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>>
>> ____/ Gregory Shearman on Sunday 01 February 2009 20:45 : \____
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2009-02-01, Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It makes you wonder how many of the "Linux suxes" and "George Barcas" are
>>>> also former/existing Microsoft employees (from the days of some of the
>>>> worst crimes).
>>>
>>> How can you be sure they aren't still *current* employees?
>>
>> That why I wrote "former/existing".
>
> The way I read it was "former Microsoft Employees now freelance
> astroturfing".
Working for Waggener Edstrom and the likes of it is not freelencing.
FWIW, we had other former Softies here (who disclosed this relationship
openly). Bailo and Qualig come to mind.
Why on earth do they come to a Linux /advocacy/ forum?
And one thing is consistent: they are other k00ks, Microsoft apologists or
vandals. IOW, they don't belong. They are Microsoft-employees-turned-trolls.
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Homer
> FWIW, we had other former Softies here (who disclosed this
> relationship openly). Bailo and Qualig come to mind.
>
> Why on earth do they come to a Linux /advocacy/ forum?
It's called "the Slog":
http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958
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>
>
> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>
>> FWIW, we had other former Softies here (who disclosed this
>> relationship openly). Bailo and Qualig come to mind.
>>
>> Why on earth do they come to a Linux /advocacy/ forum?
>
> It's called "the Slog":
>
> http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958
"Don't sound like a prig"
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High Plains Thumper
> Homer on Monday:
>> Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>
>>> FWIW, we had other former Softies here (who disclosed this
>>> relationship openly). Bailo and Qualig come to mind.
>>>
>>> Why on earth do they come to a Linux /advocacy/ forum?
>>
>> It's called "the Slog":
>
>> http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958
>
> "Don't sound like a prig"
[quote]
11: Mopping Up
Mopping Up can be a lot of fun. In the Mopping Up phase,
Evangelism's goal is to put the final nail into the competing
technology's coffin, and bury it in the burning depths of the
earth. Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes
associated with mental deficiency, as in, "he believes in Santa
Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2." Just keep rubbing it in, via
the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete
failure of the competition's technology part of the mythology of
the computer industry. We want to place selection pressure on
those companies and individuals that show a genetic weakness for
competitors' technologies, to make the industry increasingly
resistant to such unhealthy strains, over time.
12: Victory
[...] Therefore, final victory is reached only when the competing
technology's development team is disbanded, its offices
reassigned, its marketing people promoted, etc. You have truly
and finally won, when they come to interview for work at Microsoft.
Victory is sweet. Savor it. Then, find a new technology to
evangelize — and get back to work :-)
Page 11 of 27
Strategic Plan
Apple Computer, WLM, Windows NT and the Mac OS
Objective
The objective of this strategy is to convert Apple Computer,
Inc., from OS foe to hardware friend.
[/quote]
This has already happened. Notice that Apple hardware can now
run Windows software. The abandonment of Motorola based CPU and
chipsets for Intel based CPU and chipsets was a victory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple#Stock
[quote]
The Microsoft deal
At the 1997 Macworld Expo, Steve Jobs announced that Apple would
be entering into partnership with Microsoft. Included in this was
a five-year commitment from Microsoft to release Microsoft Office
for Macintosh as well a US$150 million investment in Apple. It
was also announced that Internet Explorer would be shipped as the
default browser on the Macintosh. Microsoft chairman Bill Gates
appeared at the expo on-screen, further explaining Microsoft's
plans for the software they were developing for Mac, and stating
that he was very excited to be helping Apple return to success.
After this, Steve Jobs said this to the audience at the expo:
If we want to move forward and see Apple healthy and
prospering again, we have to let go of a few things here. We have
to let go of this notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to
lose. We have to embrace a notion that for Apple to win, Apple
has to do a really good job.
[/quote]
Next move will most likely be to put the coffin nails into Apple.
They are already hammering hard at Linux.
Homer
> This should probably be no big surprise given that Bill's mother was
> a high mucky- muck in the local United Way org.
Care to translate that into English?
Never mind, I'll translate it myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Way_of_America#Criticism_and_scandals
There's something about the name "United Way of America" that makes me
think of a neo-fascist front for corporate interests, or am I'm just
being cynical? Perhaps Mary Gates' position as a director on the board
of the First Interstate Bank of Washington, and various other
corporations, is the source of my cynicism ... and probably the source
of quite a few other things too.
Yes, "charities" can be very useful, especially if one knows how to
capitalise on them properly. Take this man, for example, he certainly
knows a thing or two about "charities":
http://www.prwatch.org/node/8168
It also reminds me of another equally sinister organisation, which
ostensibly works to achieve "social cooperation through better
leadership", but which more accurately seeks political "unification" (in
the fascist sense) through elitist control (a la Bilderberg):
http://www.bbc5.tv/news/story/common-purpose-lecture-brian-gerrish
> That's certainly good.
Good for some, certainly.
> However, I'm not sure just how enthusiastic Microsoft would have been
> with the matching donations if there wasn't the law that allowed
> Microsoft to deduct the matching donations from their income tax...
Yes, in addition to bribery, Microsoft also have a long and well
documented history of tax evasion:
http://www.billparish.com/20000418spotmsft.html
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2006/07/10/microsoft-does-tax-avoidance-in-secret/
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2008/05/04/microsoft-tax-avoider/
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/03/31/microsoft_india_tax_ruling/
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/16/microsoft-tax-evasion-roundup/
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> Because reality is not a black and white, us vs. them world. Reality
> consists of shades of grey.
What colour would you describe this as, Greg ... black, white or grey?
[quote]
In the 1998-1999 timeframe, ready to prime the pump with their desktop
offering, Be offered BeOS for free to any major computer manufacturer
willing to pre-install BeOS on machines alongside Windows. Although few
in the Be community ever knew about the discussions, Gassée says that Be
was engaged in enthusiastic discussions with Dell, Compaq, Micron, and
Hitachi. Taken together, pre-installation arrangements with vendors of
this magnitude could have had a major impact on the future of Be and
BeOS. But of the four, only Hitachi actually shipped a machine with BeOS
pre-installed. The rest apparently backed off after a closer reading of
the fine print in their Microsoft Windows License agreements. Hitachi
did ship a line of machines (the Flora Prius) with BeOS pre-installed,
but made changes to the bootloader -- rendering BeOS invisible to the
consumer -- before shipping. Apparently, Hitachi received a little visit
from Microsoft just before shipping the Flora Prius, and were reminded
of the terms of the license.
[/quote]
http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/
And how about this one?
[quote]
David Cole and Phil Barrett exchanged emails on 30 September 1991: "
"It's pretty clear we need to make sure Windows 3.1 only runs on top of
MS DOS or an OEM version of it," and "The approach we will take is to
detect dr 6 and refuse to load. The error message should be something
like 'Invalid device driver interface.'" Microsoft had several methods
of detecting and sabotaging the use of DR-DOS with Windows, one
incorporated into "Bambi", the code name that Microsoft used for its
disk cache utility (SMARTDRV) that detected DR-DOS and refused to load
it for Windows 3.1. The AARD code trickery is well-known, but Caldera is
now pursuing four other deliberate incompatibilities. One of them was a
version check in XMS in the Windows 3.1 setup program which produced the
message: "The XMS driver you have installed is not compatible with
Windows. You must remove it before setup can successfully install
Windows." Of course there was no reason for this.
[/quote]
And how "grey" does /this/ look to you?
[quote]
Our mission is to establish Microsoft's platforms as the de facto
standards throughout the computer industry.... Working behind the scenes
to orchestrate "independent" praise of our technology, and damnation of
the enemy's, is a key evangelism function during the Slog. "Independent"
analyst's report should be issued, praising your technology and damning
the competitors (or ignoring them). "Independent" consultants should
write columns and articles, give conference presentations and moderate
stacked panels, all on our behalf (and setting them up as experts in the
new technology, available for just $200/hour). "Independent" academic
sources should be cultivated and quoted (and research money granted).
"Independent" courseware providers should start profiting from their
early involvement in our technology. Every possible source of leverage
should be sought and turned to our advantage.
[/quote]
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071023002351958
And /this/?
[quote]
We recently closed a deal with the Nigerian Government. Maybe you heard
about it, Steve. They were looking for an affordable hardware+software
solution for their schools. The initial batch was 17,000 machines. We
had a good deal to respond to their need: the Classmate PC from Intel,
with a customized Mandriva Linux solution. We presented the solution to
the local government, they liked the machine, they liked our system,
they liked what we offered them, especially the fact that it was open,
and that we could customize it for their country and so on.
Then, your people get in the game and the deal got more competitive. I
would not say it got dirty, but someone could have said that. Your team
fought and fought again the deal, but still the customer was happy with
the CMPC and Mandriva.
We actually closed the deal, we took the order, we qualified the
software, we got the machine shipped. To conclude, we did our job. And,
the machine are being delivered right now.
Now, we hear a different story from the customer : "we shall pay for the
Mandriva Software as agreed, but we shall replace it by Windows afterward."
Wow! I’m impressed, Steve! What have you done to these guys to make them
change their mind like this?
[/quote]
http://blog.mandriva.com/2007/10/31/an-open-letter-to-steve-ballmer/
Answer:
[quote]
Mba-Uzoukwu wrote that Microsoft is still negotiating an agreement that
would give TSC US$400,000 (£190,323) for marketing activities around the
Classmate PCs when those computers are converted to Windows.
[/quote]
I'm also having trouble finding any shades of grey in /this/:
[quote]
Intel has already sabotaged the OLPC market by contracting hundreds of
thousands Classmate units in countries as Nigeria, Libya and Pakistan -
the original markets for Negroponte's laptops. Moreover, Bill Gates
announced that Microsoft would give a discounted $3 package, including
Windows, Microsoft XP student edition and other educational software,
which also was meant to sabotage Negroponte's XO laptop.
It was meant to be the other way around: industry giants should have
been shaking hands and work together for the benefit of hundreds of
millions of children - their possible future targeted market. Instead,
they have made out of poverty another battlefield in search for profit.
[/quote]
http://news.softpedia.com/news/One-Laptop-Per-Child-Sabotaged-by-Microsoft-and-Intel-71941.shtml
> When you simplify your outlook of the world
Microsoft is "the world" now? To you, perhaps.
> to this extreme, you have to ignore or discard 99% of the truth.
Yes, I'm sure /you/ do, Greg, but then it must be easy to ignore when
you're wearing grey-tinted glasses. Try taking them off now and then,
and actually /read/ the vast litany of evidence against the vile company
you evangelise for.
> This is why extremist groups
An ex-Microsoft employee talking about /others/ being extremists ...
hilarious. I suppose there is nothing at all extremist about a company
which threatens to "knife [Apple's] baby", "cut off Netscape's air
supply", and "tilt Lotus into the death spiral", whilst it sabotages
/charities/ for profit, claims that "Linux is a cancer", gatecrashes
competitors' product launches, spies on its own customer, and forms
protection rackets with OEMs and commercial Linux vendors - based on
unfounded allegations of "235 patent infringements".
You're delusional.
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>> It's quite damning for Microsoft and does highlight their fear of and attacks against Linux.
> I doubt Microsoft cares, actually. Emails are not nearly the smoking gun you think they are, largely because many of the things you think you find aren't what you think they are.
Erik Funkenbusch is a unique force in the world of illusion - he can
seemingly predict and control human behaviour ..
Matt
> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2008supporters.html
>
> Entries 9 and 27 of the "Sustaining Contributors", respectively.
>
> "Linux is a cancer" ~ Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO.
>
> Hypocrite.
I wouldn't expect Knuth would be happy to see his name tossed about like
so much spare lumber.
Homer
Hey, watch what you say about my homeboy :)
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____/ Homer on Wednesday 04 February 2009 02:09 : \____
>
>
> Verily I say unto thee, that Matt spake thusly:
>> Homer wrote:
>>> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2008supporters.html
>>>
>>> Entries 9 and 27 of the "Sustaining Contributors", respectively.
>>>
>>> "Linux is a cancer" ~ Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO.
>>>
>>> Hypocrite.
>>
>> I wouldn't expect Knuth would be happy to see his name tossed about
>> like so much spare lumber.
>
> Hey, watch what you say about my homeboy :)
>
> http://geekz.co.uk/shop/store/show/knuth-tshirt
What does Donald Knuth and Microsoft NOT have in common?
Knuth fought against software patents since the start, whereas Microsoft chose
to lie about them once it obtained a monopoly (through repeated crimes).
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Verily I say unto thee, that Matt spake thusly:
>> Homer wrote:
>>> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2008supporters.html
>>>
>>> Entries 9 and 27 of the "Sustaining Contributors", respectively.
>>>
>>> "Linux is a cancer" ~ Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO.
>>>
>>> Hypocrite.
>>
>> I wouldn't expect Knuth would be happy to see his name tossed about
>> like so much spare lumber.
>
> Hey, watch what you say about my homeboy :)
>
> http://geekz.co.uk/shop/store/show/knuth-tshirt
He looks a lot like Philip José Farmer:
http://www.explorepeoria.net/famouspeorians.html
(I saw Phil one day at school in Peoria. He gave a nice talk to our English
literature class.)
--
Since everything in life is but an experience perfect in being what it is,
having nothing to do with good or bad, acceptance or rejection, one may well
burst out in laughter.
-- Long Chen Pa
Gregory Shearman
> (I saw Phil one day at school in Peoria. He gave a nice talk to our English
> literature class.)
Did you ask him why the hell he wrote "Blown"? Bloody awful...
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-02-04, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
>> (I saw Phil one day at school in Peoria. He gave a nice talk to our English
>> literature class.)
>
> Did you ask him why the hell he wrote "Blown"? Bloody awful...
That was before I read "Image of the Beast" and "Blown", in a double novel.
The former was actually pretty good, the latter, well, it had some
interesting imagery.
Another raw one is "Lord Tyger". Oh, and "A Feast Unknown", which starts
out good, but degenerates into yet-another-complex-chase.
--
Humans do claim a great deal for that particular emotion (love).
-- Spock, "The Lights of Zetar", stardate 5725.6
Terry Porter
> On 2009-02-04, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
>> (I saw Phil one day at school in Peoria. He gave a nice talk to our
>> English literature class.)
>
> Did you ask him why the hell he wrote "Blown"? Bloody awful...
>
Agreed.
--
If we wish to reduce our ignorance, there are people we will
indeed listen to. Trolls are not among those people, as trolls, more or
less by definition, *promote* ignorance.
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> On 2009-02-04, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>
>>> (I saw Phil one day at school in Peoria. He gave a nice talk to our
>>> English literature class.)
>>
>> Did you ask him why the hell he wrote "Blown"? Bloody awful...
>
> Agreed.
But I'll bet you both read it to the bitter end <grin>.
One tidbit in that book was the "Forry Ackerman" character, who is a real
person.
Also, since we lived in L.A. for awhile, it was interesting to see some
locales that we knew of. Phil's book "Behind the Wall of Terra" has a nice
chase scene by the La Brea Tar Pits, which was one of my favorite places to
visit.
One more Farmer note. I've always liked the real-ness of his characters, in
the sense that they wonder about things, want to know people's histories,
worry about the effects of aging... he slips in little scenes that don't
move the story, but don't impede it.
--
<stu> you should be afraid to use KDE because RMS might come to your
house and cleave your monitor with an axe or something :)
Matt
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Homer belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Verily I say unto thee, that Matt spake thusly:
>>> Homer wrote:
>>>> http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2008supporters.html
>>>>
>>>> Entries 9 and 27 of the "Sustaining Contributors", respectively.
>>>>
>>>> "Linux is a cancer" ~ Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO.
>>>>
>>>> Hypocrite.
>>> I wouldn't expect Knuth would be happy to see his name tossed about
>>> like so much spare lumber.
>> Hey, watch what you say about my homeboy :)
>>
>> http://geekz.co.uk/shop/store/show/knuth-tshirt
>
> He looks a lot like Philip José Farmer:
>
> http://www.explorepeoria.net/famouspeorians.html
>
> (I saw Phil one day at school in Peoria. He gave a nice talk to our English
> literature class.)
I know a woman whose aunt was Knuth's babysitter.
Homer
> I know a woman whose aunt was Knuth's babysitter.
Sounds like a line from Ferris Bueller.
--
K.
http://slated.org
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| is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." ~ William
| Pitt the Younger
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Gregory Shearman
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Gregory Shearman belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2009-02-04, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>
>>> (I saw Phil one day at school in Peoria. He gave a nice talk to our English
>>> literature class.)
>>
>> Did you ask him why the hell he wrote "Blown"? Bloody awful...
>
> That was before I read "Image of the Beast" and "Blown", in a double novel.
>
> The former was actually pretty good, the latter, well, it had some
> interesting imagery.
Hmmm. I didn't like either, and I'm a big PJF fan.
> Another raw one is "Lord Tyger". Oh, and "A Feast Unknown", which starts
> out good, but degenerates into yet-another-complex-chase.
Lord Tyger is similar to his "Tarzan" super neanderthal series isn't it?
I can't remember any more.
I love his "world of tiers" and "riverboat" books, but sometimes he can
get silly.
Oh... "Wind Whales of Ishmael" is one of his imaginative best.
Gregory Shearman
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Gregory Shearman wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-02-04, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> (I saw Phil one day at school in Peoria. He gave a nice talk to our
>>>> English literature class.)
>>>
>>> Did you ask him why the hell he wrote "Blown"? Bloody awful...
>>
>> Agreed.
>
> But I'll bet you both read it to the bitter end <grin>.
>
> One tidbit in that book was the "Forry Ackerman" character, who is a real
> person.
>
> Also, since we lived in L.A. for awhile, it was interesting to see some
> locales that we knew of. Phil's book "Behind the Wall of Terra" has a nice
> chase scene by the La Brea Tar Pits, which was one of my favorite places to
> visit.
>
> One more Farmer note. I've always liked the real-ness of his characters, in
> the sense that they wonder about things, want to know people's histories,
> worry about the effects of aging... he slips in little scenes that don't
> move the story, but don't impede it.
I like his imagination. Sometimes the execution is a little awry and
haphazard. I always laugh at the mistake at the end of "The Gates of
Creation" where Wolff's brother Tharmas gets killed, only to reappear in
the story a few pages later.... oops!
His stuff is pure pulp science fiction... and I'm a big fan of pulp.
BTW, have you heard of an Australian (from Perth) Scifi writer called
Greg Egan? It's good technical science fiction. He gets into ideas about
the creation of worlds from pure data...
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-02-05, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
>> That was before I read "Image of the Beast" and "Blown", in a double novel.
>>
>> The former was actually pretty good, the latter, well, it had some
>> interesting imagery.
>
> Hmmm. I didn't like either, and I'm a big PJF fan.
I suspect they were partly a parody of his observations of the more wealthy
denizens of Los Angeles.
> Lord Tyger is similar to his "Tarzan" super neanderthal series isn't it?
Yeah, another Tarzan-like character.
> I love his "world of tiers" and "riverboat" books, but sometimes he can
> get silly.
>
> Oh... "Wind Whales of Ishmael" is one of his imaginative best.
As is Riders of the Purple Wage.
I found one of his early books, The Green Odyssey, as an ebook. A nice
read, with a happy ending.
A Woman A Day keeps the Doctor away!
--
Mate, this parrot wouldn't VOOM if you put four million volts through it!
-- Monty Python
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On 2009-02-05, Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
>> One more Farmer note. I've always liked the real-ness of his characters, in
>> the sense that they wonder about things, want to know people's histories,
>> worry about the effects of aging... he slips in little scenes that don't
>> move the story, but don't impede it.
>
> I like his imagination. Sometimes the execution is a little awry and
> haphazard. I always laugh at the mistake at the end of "The Gates of
> Creation" where Wolff's brother Tharmas gets killed, only to reappear in
> the story a few pages later.... oops!
>
> His stuff is pure pulp science fiction... and I'm a big fan of pulp.
My personal favorite is "A Private Cosmos". I wonder if Spielberg used the
buffalo-chase sequence as a model for parts of "Raiders of the Lost Ark".
> BTW, have you heard of an Australian (from Perth) Scifi writer called
> Greg Egan? It's good technical science fiction. He gets into ideas about
> the creation of worlds from pure data...
Heard the name, but I've kind of fallen away from sf.
--
Are Linux users lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of
reliable, well-engineered commercial software?
-- Matt Welsh
Charles Douglas Wehner
IBM-compatible operating systems by selling a bag of bugs.
I have collected many photographic examples of the various bizarre
behaviours of Vista. The latest was to use the search, and to be told
that in this "conversation" my request to find a word on the page is
forbidden.
One bug delivered a file-size of MINUS a billion bytes. I have the
exact number recorded. File size is evaluated by Function 66,
subfunction 2. So the bugs go deep into the system level.
They keep making "Updates" which they do not test. The latest count is
49:
I will divide that URL up, so that if it does not all arrive as a
single "string", you can string it together, and rebuild it:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/results.aspx
?freetext=Updates&productID=8D7DD8D7-1CA6-4632-BAEF-E7C0750ED02E
&categoryId=&period=&sortCriteria=date&nr=20&DisplayLang=en
NONE OF THE UPDATES WORK.
Here is the reason:
----------------------------
QUOTE
System Update Readiness Tool for Windows Vista for x64-based systems
(KB947821) [August 2008]
This tool is being offered because an inconsistency was found in the
Windows servicing store which may prevent the successful installation
of future updates, service packs, and software.
10/8/2008
#629
System Update Readiness Tool for Windows Vista (KB947821) [August
2008]
This tool is being offered because an inconsistency was found in the
Windows servicing store which may prevent the successful installation
of future updates, service packs, and software.
10/7/2008
#135
UNQUOTE
----------------------------
That's right. They have discovered that Vista computers have an
"inconsistency" which prevents "Updates" being "configured". Here,
however, they call it "installation".
People download this "Readiness Tool", only to discover that their
system will not install it because it is not "ready".
Notice also, that this is quite a wide-reaching bug. It prevents the
successful installation of service packs and software in addition to
updates.
-----------------------------
QUOTE
Update for Windows Vista for x64-based Systems (KB949939)
Install this update to enable future updates to install successfully
on all editions of Windows Vista.
4/8/2008
#2123
Update for Windows Vista (KB949939)
Install this update to enable future updates to install successfully
on all editions of Windows Vista.
4/8/2008
#407
UNQUOTE
----------------------------
That was a separate attempt to enable "Updates" by means of "Updates"
- like driving a car without fuel to fetch fuel.
When people are displeased with their sloppiness, they turn to HEAVY
PRESSURE to force their products upon the world.
This company is supposed to have about 500 BILLION dollars. Yet its
output is like that of some third world company.
Charles Douglas Wehner
DFS
You could expect a dressing down from local idiot High Plains Thumper
(self-appointed hall monitor of cola), except he's a shameless hypocrite who
responds only to anti-Linux posts.
Doctor Smith
> Why are you posting this on comp.os.linux.advocacy?
>
> You could expect a dressing down from local idiot High Plains Thumper
> (self-appointed hall monitor of cola), except he's a shameless hypocrite who
> responds only to anti-Linux posts.
High Plains Hypocrite won't say a word.
He never says anything about Doogie's massive amount of off topic patent
posts either.
His nym sure fits him well.
Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Charles Douglas Wehner on Sunday 22 February 2009 18:50 : \____
> This company is supposed to have about 500 BILLION dollars. Yet its
> output is like that of some third world company.
Microsoft is a fraud. It's actually approaching debt and it never had that kind
of money.
- From the Economist:
"For instance, Microsoft, the world’s most valuable company, declared a profit
of $4.5 billion in 1998; when the cost of options awarded that year, plus the
change in the value of outstanding options, is deducted, the firm made a loss
of $18 billion, according to Smithers."
http://etheridge.ca/articles/economist-options.html
On debt (Reuters):
Microsoft says to borrow money for Yahoo deal
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| Microsoft Corp said on Monday it may borrow money for the first time in its
| history to fund a portion of its $44.6 billion unsolicited offer for Yahoo
| Inc.
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> ____/ Charles Douglas Wehner on Sunday 22 February 2009 18:50 : \____
>
>> This company is supposed to have about 500 BILLION dollars. Yet its
>> output is like that of some third world company.
>
> Microsoft is a fraud. It's actually approaching debt
Only in your twisted lying mind.
> - From the Economist:
>
> "For instance, Microsoft, the world's most valuable company, declared a
> profit
> of $4.5 billion in 1998; when the cost of options awarded that year,
It's 2009 and the *best* you could come up with is some lame post from 1998
to backup your nonsense.
> On debt (Reuters):
>
> Microsoft says to borrow money for Yahoo deal
What Yahoo deal. Only a complete idiot like Roy Schestowitz or one of the
other COLA "freetards" would use something that never happened (Yahoo deal)
as proof of something.