Come and meet Gary "flatfish" Stewart
mjcr
winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
has gone by the false identities of:
quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn Lebowitz,
the_flatfish, juke_joint, Whizzer, whppier, t, WinRulez, linux_sux, Jeff
Szarka, Collie Entragion, Deadpenguin, , ., Amy, BklynBoy, Claire Lynn,
[Ff]latfish+++, [fF]latfish, [Ff]latfish++++, Grendel, Heather, Heather69,
Ishmeal Hafizi, Jerry Butler, McSwain, Mike Hunt, Mike, Pickle Pete,
Proculous, S, Sarek, Saul Goldblatt, Saul, Sewer Rat, Simon, Simon777,
Sponge, Steve, Susan Wong, Susie Wong, Swango, Syphon, Tiberious, Tim
Palmer, Willy Wong, Wobbles, bison, hepcat, keymaster, keys88, leg log,
noone, piddy, screwbilk, scummer, steveno, teknite, trailerpark, unknown,
wazzoo, whparker, nob...@nowhere.org, bill.gates.loves.me,
%^$&&&&&&&&&&&&@!!!!!!!!!!!!!.com,
I will now provide my train of reasoning in determining that he/she/it is
Gary.
Soon after I started reading COLA, I had my first run in with this person.
At the time he was using the names of Simon777, Susie Wong, and Willy
Wong. I really took notice of him as more than just a passing troll, when
he spent nearly 12 hours trying to get past my firewall. That lead to a
series of exchanges that showd that Gary had comitted identity theft by
using the the email address of real persons to hide behind. Gary
professed his innocent transgression and established the account of
deadp...@earthlink.net. He then claimed that would be his only
identity from then on, this account was a real one. But it didn't last
soon Claire Lynn had come along. Just like with the attacks of 9/11 Gary
had professed the profound effect it had on his values, and that "The OS
Wars" were over for him; we now see how empty a statement that really was.
At first I noted a feeling of Deja Vue while reading Gary's prattlings.
Then with his use of Keymaster an identity and his statements of
having been a sysop of a BBS, I started suspecting that I knew who he is.
For a while I intended to watch and wait and compare details. As time
carried on, I became more an more certain of his identity because he kept
using identies that I have seen before and has kept using language and
phrasings that I have seen before. What is more both the phrasing and the
identites came from the same person from the days of computer Bulletin
Board Systems.
Now let's take a look at Gary M. Stewart from his days as a BBS sysop.
Gary was known for using multiple identities. He was quite militant
against certain brands of software.
The BBS was a Telegard BBS named "The Great AbysS". The official handle
of the sysop of the board was Keymaster; however, he would normally post
in the echoes as Gary M. Stewart (sometimes without the middle initial).
The Great AbysS was the centeral hub for GaSpNet a Fido Technology based
Network owned by Gary. The Great AbysS was also a node on a number of
other BBS networks: Fidonet, UGNGASP (was GaSpNet before the name change),
NIRVANAnet, Paul Revere Net, PODnet. Gary was running a FUD campain
againt Renegade BBS and OS/2, and by extension IBM PS/2's. Gary was also
a beta tester of Telegard BBS.
One day his BBS stopped running taking with it GaSpNet. He started
leaving messages on other BBS's of the then late GaSpNet begging for
donations to repair his BBS. After collecting a sizeable sum, (so it was
claimed), rather than repairing his BBS and going back on-line and
bringing his network back to life, he moved back east with the money. He
was the thirdsysop in the area to pull a stunt like that. Gary's stunt
marked the beginning of the end of BBS's in this area. Callers and
fellow sysops were nologer too willing to pay for BBS access or to help a
sysop in financial trouble keep his BBS running.
Here are some quotes of statments by Gary or reguarding Gary in his
network's echoes that are quite similar to the pratling of Gary here in
COLA.
In reply to a request by a caller for the evidence of his claims that
Telegard 2.5g source code was pirated:
-----included text---------
Papers! Papers! Papers! Ve must see your papers!
You're almost 50 years too late.
Burned any good Jews?
-----end included text---------
Reply to a question asking what is wrong with Renegade BBS:
-----included text---------
Renegade is a fuckin abortion.
Telegard RULEZ!!!!!
-----end included text---------
In response to an inquiry about the value of gaining OS/2 experience.
-----included text---------
OS/2 sucks
DOS rules
PM SUCKS
Windows RULZ.
Now get to fuck off my board.
-----end included text---------
From a sysop of another BBS that was a node on GaSpNet:
-----included text---------
Hey! Keymaster, Gary, Steve, Mike, Simon or whoever the fuck you are
calling youself today!
[...]
-----end included text---------
After locking out a "caller" to The Great AbysS and announcing it via
an echo of GaSpNet:
From one sysop:
-----included text---------
Awwww come on! Let Tim back on...or we will never hear from you again,
keymaster. We know that Tim = keymaster = Alice = Gary = you.
NOW CUT THE ACT!
-----end included text---------
From another sysop:
-----included text---------
OK, Gary, Simon, winrulez, drkool, keymaster, Mike, W.J. Quimby, Tim
you got tired of your "Tim" name but you don't got to make this show
of lockin it out.
-----end included text---------
I guess Gary is one old dog that can not give up his old tricks and it is
those tricks that lead to his identity. Just like how Quimby was cought
today by Terry Porter was the same method I used to identify Gary as the
person who tried to crack into my systems.
I find the odds that these two persons, Gary and he/she/it are not one
and the same to be quite slim. That said, even with Gary's name exposed,
he is still anonymous enough. There are at least 19 Gary Stewart's in
the state of New York and 4 more in the state of New Jersey.
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Well Hi Gary...
This is incredibly funny.
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Terry Porter
<pan.2001.11.04.1...@mindspring.com> dashed off:
>That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
>winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
>has gone by the false identities of:
>
>quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn Lebowitz,
>Soon after I started reading COLA, I had my first run in with this person.
>At the time he was using the names of Simon777, Susie Wong,
I remember these two.
> and Willy
>Wong. I really took notice of him as more than just a passing troll, when
>he spent nearly 12 hours trying to get past my firewall.
Was this around 1996 ?
<snip>
>I guess Gary is one old dog that can not give up his old tricks
You're so right, this person has been doing the same stuff in circles
since I've been on Cola.
>those tricks that lead to his identity. Just like how Quimby was cought
>today by Terry Porter was the same method I used to identify Gary as the
>person who tried to crack into my systems.
Unix logs are a bitch hey ;-)
Interestingly so are local news spools :)
>I find the odds that these two persons, Gary and he/she/it are not one
>and the same to be quite slim. That said, even with Gary's name exposed,
>he is still anonymous enough. There are at least 19 Gary Stewart's in
>the state of New York and 4 more in the state of New Jersey.
>
Well Gary met his match with you Mjcr, your memory I have observed, is
incredible over long periods of time, for instance I watched DR Who
from the start, and had no idea who was playing the doctor, when
the Davros (who can forget a face like that?) episodes were playing.
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Donn Miller
mjcr wrote:
>
> That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
> winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
> has gone by the false identities of:
So his name isn't really Steve O' Brien? LOL.
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> I find the odds that these two persons, Gary and he/she/it are not one
> and the same to be quite slim. That said, even with Gary's name exposed,
> he is still anonymous enough. There are at least 19 Gary Stewart's in
> the state of New York and 4 more in the state of New Jersey.
Yes, but this one really does live in the hamptons....just not southampton
as he has claimed. To my knowledge, theres only one there. :)
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"." <yt...@mutilation.net> wrote in message
news:9s5isp$e38$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy mjcr <mj...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > I find the odds that these two persons, Gary and he/she/it are not one
> > and the same to be quite slim. That said, even with Gary's name
exposed,
> > he is still anonymous enough. There are at least 19 Gary Stewart's in
> > the state of New York and 4 more in the state of New Jersey.
>
> Yes, but this one really does live in the hamptons....just not southampton
> as he has claimed. To my knowledge, theres only one there. :)
>
--
The breakfast of champions is opposition
.
Uhh, just what exactly are you implying?
Personal life is none of my business. My involvement begins and ends on usenet
alone.
Edward Rosten
One thing I take issue with, though: I don't believe that "Tim palmer"
was/is the infamous flatfish (i'll use this name since Gary seems to
have used this one for the longest). Tim Palmer ahd a different
posting style and was very imagative. He often had me in stiches with
his use of phonetics.
-Ed
Joe the Aroma
>
> This is incredibly funny.
Well well, leave to Charlie to quote an entire 130 line (or so) post
just to post a vacuous "me too" post.
The Ghost In The Machine
<mj...@mindspring.com>
wrote
on Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:12:12 -0800
<pan.2001.11.04.1...@mindspring.com>:
>That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
>winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
>has gone by the false identities of:
>
>quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn Lebowitz,
>the_flatfish, juke_joint, Whizzer, whppier, t, WinRulez, linux_sux, Jeff
[rest snipped]
Heh...well, I'm not sure what the point of all this was, beyond
establishing that perhaps there's only One WinTroll(tm), masquerading
as many supporters of Windows -- presumably, he started supporting
Windows in the Win95 days, and only recently has started
with Windows XP.
I only have to ask flatfish why he had to use so many identities
in order to attempt getting his point across (attempts which,
AFAICT, have failed miserably). To be sure, flatty may have
been using only one OS, or family of OSes, for most of his life,
as opposed to me, and others like me, who have used, among others:
- RSX-11M
- VMS
- VM/CMS
- VP/CSS
- Apollo Domain Aegis (now called DomainOS, perhaps)
- Daisy's MAESTRO, a monotasking platform for their products
- Daisy DNIX (yuck; weirdsville)
- DOS
- Win3.1, Win95
- WinNT3.51, WinNT4, Win2k
- Solaris
- HP-UX
- AIX
- OSF/1
- AmigaDOS or AmigaOS
- MacOS pre-7 (Amiga could emulate Mac *and* DOS)
- AT&T 7300 Unix
- modified System 6 Unix
- System 7 Unix
- BSD on a VAX (briefly)
- MVS?
- HASP?
- Xenix (briefly)
- Linux (SLS, Slackware, RedHat, Debian)
One of the few I haven't used: OS/2. I suspect it's still out there;
I've heard good things about it -- although at the time, 4 megabytes
was considered bloated, and AmigaOS could do the same thing in a
slim 256k. (How times change. It's probably looking impossibly
skinny now. :-) ) Another one I have been exposed to, but
don't know the internals of: Atari TOS. (I've long forgiven
the Atariites; the Amiga may resurrect someday but for now it's
in suspended animation, if not totally dead. I suspect the
TS520 and TS1040 are in a similar state, if I'm even getting
the model numbers right.)
One of my more interesting hacks was a physical process map
display on a System 6 or System 7 machine. It's amazing that
that sort of permissiveness would be allowed today (and such
a display would not be meaningful anymore because the model has
changed). To be sure, the Amiga's preemptive multitasking did
not come with memory protection, which led to some interesting
hacks (along with unidentifiable crashes in early versions
of AmigaOS).
APL on VM/CMS was interesting. The only thing I remember
about it, though, was the rho operator, which corresponded to
what might be called '.length()' in Java or C++ today.
I'd have to look -- and today APL might use multi-character
tokens instead of special characters. Blame it on ASCII. :-)
This isn't even that exhaustive a list: TOPS-10 and TOPS-20,
for instance, are systems I've never used, and Pr1me had an
OS which used '>' for file pathname delimiters; that's all I
know about it, having seen a screen displaying such once. (VMS
had its own ideas regarding pathnames, and I have no idea
how MVS and HASP approached the problem; DD cards were
very strange. I'm not even sure VM/CMS *had* pathnames,
although it probably did.)
And FORTH is ... well, FORTH is; classical FORTH didn't even
have a file system; one had to load numbered screens.
Such would seem impossibly archaic today.
But there is a world beyond Microsoft, Winvocates. Open your minds.
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Tomislav Sajdl
In The Machine" <ew...@lexideb.athghost7038suus.net> wrote:
> or family of OSes, for most of his life, as opposed to me, and others
> like me, who have used, among others:
>
>
> - VM/CMS
I used to use it. It was some strange IBM's machine donated to our
university, with nice terminals (although B/W) and some 140+ buttons on
them.
My expirience was terifying. Although I was skilled enough not to be
scared of computer, this machine forced me to ran away from it.
And after years (!) they enabled telnet, so we started to use its
terminals as telnet clients for UNIX machines.
Our machine came with some strange software. Terminals were 'smart' it
means they didn't send anything to server until you press Enter key (which
differed from new line). Terminal had taster for some kind of reseting.
Does anyone has good expiriences with it? (in a matter of the fact I don't
know what was the hardware's name - VM/CMS is OS. i think that these
terminals were 3270 terminals, but who remembered the nightmare)
Tomislav
flat...@mariana.trench
wrote:
>That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
>winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
>has gone by the false identities of:
Gee that's news to me......
The real Gary was very easy to find, although not in NY anymore.
I'll give ya a hint, it ain't me.
I'll give you another piece of advice.
Think "Defamation of Character", not by me (because that is not my
name, or even my gender), but possibly by him or in fact legally, any
of the "Gary M. Stewart's" in the NY/NJ phone book and are a phone
call away from being informed of your little witch hunt.
In short, you damm well better be able to prove your accusations and
cut and paste fabricated logs will not suffice.
For starters you got the wrong gender.
For closers, you aren't even in the right state of the union, or mind
for that matter, but we shall address that later.
>quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn Lebowitz,
>the_flatfish, juke_joint, Whizzer, whppier, t, WinRulez, linux_sux, Jeff
>Szarka, Collie Entragion, Deadpenguin, , ., Amy, BklynBoy, Claire Lynn,
>[Ff]latfish+++, [fF]latfish, [Ff]latfish++++, Grendel, Heather, Heather69,
>Ishmeal Hafizi, Jerry Butler, McSwain, Mike Hunt, Mike, Pickle Pete,
>Proculous, S, Sarek, Saul Goldblatt, Saul, Sewer Rat, Simon, Simon777,
>Sponge, Steve, Susan Wong, Susie Wong, Swango, Syphon, Tiberious, Tim
>Palmer, Willy Wong, Wobbles, bison, hepcat, keymaster, keys88, leg log,
>noone, piddy, screwbilk, scummer, steveno, teknite, trailerpark, unknown,
>wazzoo, whparker, nob...@nowhere.org, bill.gates.loves.me,
>%^$&&&&&&&&&&&&@!!!!!!!!!!!!!.com,
Yawwwnnn...Ya missed a few, but that will actually work in your favor
in the number of counts filed against you.
>I will now provide my train of reasoning in determining that he/she/it is
>Gary.
Reasoning?
Is that what you call it?
Looks more like cut and paste fairy-tale time to me.
>Soon after I started reading COLA, I had my first run in with this person.
>At the time he was using the names of Simon777, Susie Wong, and Willy
>Wong. I really took notice of him as more than just a passing troll, when
>he spent nearly 12 hours trying to get past my firewall.
Gee. It was 10 hours in a previous message and the ip address of the
culprit shows an Earthlink Dialup.
Wonder how "Gary" pulled that one off considering they flush the lines
every 8 hours or so. Worldnet flushes them 7.5 hours to the second,
although they won't admit it.
So "Gary" wasted all his bandwidth pinging you and then after being
flushed, ended up with exactly the same IP address?
Oh yea BTW...How did "Gary" get your IP address in the first place?
And another thing, why didn't you contact the offenders ISP and get
him/her tossed?
You were obviously disturbed by the event having recorded and kept
logs, like a true soldier, all these years.
Why not report him/her?
Seems simple to me if you have real proof that is.
Of course the ISP is going to run a trace and see that your
accusations are fabrications
That is why you never reported it because you knew all along.
And since Mindspring and Earthlink are really one and the same, you
would look like a complete idiot (which normally you do anyway) so you
chose to make things up instead.
> That lead to a
>series of exchanges that showd that Gary had comitted identity theft by
>using the the email address of real persons to hide behind.
No...It lead to a mistake whereby somebody mistakenly used an email
address already in use by another person and this was quickly
rectified.
Happens all the time her' mcjr, except in the case of people who are
foolish enough to use their own names and id's.
Speaking of which, do you realize that you piss off people in every
group you frequent.
Google confirms that nicely. You make enemies at every turn of the
bit.
God I love Google!
Must be the German in me.....
> Gary
>professed his innocent transgression and established the account of
>deadp...@earthlink.net.
Was this "Gary"?
Proof please.
Gee could have fooled me.
> He then claimed that would be his only
>identity from then on, this account was a real one.
Oh I see... You had to fill out an entire new set of "papers" and this
made work for you.
Gotta be accurate you know her' mjcr, accuracy counts.
From what history tells us they knew exactly how many seconds it
took...well you get the idea her' mcjr.
Oh BTW why don't you tell the story of how you made veiled threats
against several people for using the word geek.
Better get ready to sue FOX TV because they have a show by that name.
> But it didn't last
>soon Claire Lynn had come along.
It's a miracle. Another troll is born.
> Just like with the attacks of 9/11 Gary
>had professed the profound effect it had on his values, and that "The OS
>Wars" were over for him; we now see how empty a statement that really was.
The only thing that appears empty around here, excepting for your head
of course, is your lack of any solid proof.
But let us continue.
>At first I noted a feeling of Deja Vue while reading Gary's prattlings.
>Then with his use of Keymaster an identity and his statements of
>having been a sysop of a BBS, I started suspecting that I knew who he is.
Keymaster?
Do a search on google and you will find THOUSANDS of keymasters all
the way from musicians, to hackers to locksmiths, to security people
to dungeon and dragon people.
Very popular handle.
>For a while I intended to watch and wait and compare details. As time
>carried on, I became more an more certain of his identity because he kept
>using identies that I have seen before and has kept using language and
>phrasings that I have seen before. What is more both the phrasing and the
>identites came from the same person from the days of computer Bulletin
>Board Systems.
And your proof is?
Some made up, cut and pasted text.
ha!
That's a good one.
>Now let's take a look at Gary M. Stewart from his days as a BBS sysop.
>Gary was known for using multiple identities. He was quite militant
>against certain brands of software.
Militant? You mean like Terry, Max, Jedi and others are.
Your proof again?
More cut and paste?
Sorry, that don't cut it....
>The BBS was a Telegard BBS named "The Great AbysS". The official handle
>of the sysop of the board was Keymaster; however, he would normally post
>in the echoes as Gary M. Stewart (sometimes without the middle initial).
Keymaster?
8660 hits on Google.....
Seems pretty popular.
That's like walking into Harlem and looking for a guy named
Tyrone......
Or walking into Williamsburg and looking for a guy named Morrie.
Did I say Morrie?
Ooops....
>The Great AbysS was the centeral hub for GaSpNet a Fido Technology based
>Network owned by Gary. The Great AbysS was also a node on a number of
>other BBS networks: Fidonet, UGNGASP (was GaSpNet before the name change),
>NIRVANAnet, Paul Revere Net, PODnet. Gary was running a FUD campain
>againt Renegade BBS and OS/2, and by extension IBM PS/2's. Gary was also
>a beta tester of Telegard BBS.
Ahhh so NOW we know the reason for your deep seated hatred of this guy
Gary.
He slandered the PS/2.
BTW where is your proof?
Not that "Gary" upset your fruit basket (emphases on FRUIT,
de-emphasis on basket, as in basket-case), but that I am Gary?
>One day his BBS stopped running taking with it GaSpNet. He started
>leaving messages on other BBS's of the then late GaSpNet begging for
>donations to repair his BBS. After collecting a sizeable sum, (so it was
>claimed), rather than repairing his BBS and going back on-line and
>bringing his network back to life, he moved back east with the money.
Your proof that this "Gary" was me?
Oh I see.... I took all that money and that is why I don't have to
work anymore...
Yea that makes sense.
> He
>was the thirdsysop in the area to pull a stunt like that.
Maybe he got sick of you harassing him?
Sounds to me like you were stupid enough to send him money and now
realize what a fool you were.
> Gary's stunt
>marked the beginning of the end of BBS's in this area. Callers and
>fellow sysops were nologer too willing to pay for BBS access or to help a
>sysop in financial trouble keep his BBS running.
Gee that's really strange, because my BBS (on RIME running Wildcat!)
didn't cost a dime other than the extra line at $12.00/month, a one
time software purchase, almost free modems from USR.
The major investment was time, which I had plenty of.
>Here are some quotes of statments by Gary or reguarding Gary in his
>network's echoes that are quite similar to the pratling of Gary here in
>COLA.
No.
Here are typical statements made by thousands of people everyday.
>
>In reply to a request by a caller for the evidence of his claims that
>Telegard 2.5g source code was pirated:
>
>-----included text---------
>Papers! Papers! Papers! Ve must see your papers!
Sounds like the caller was you. A person who keeps logs and documents
everything from 5 years ago, remembers things from 1980's in detail
and generally has a life that exists in the past because he didn't
move forward with the times (ie: your equipment) falsifies claims and
just plain makes things up.
Sounds like a boot polishing bunker boy to me.
In fact it sounds just like YOU.
>You're almost 50 years too late.
Yep...A reference to above.
>Burned any good Jews?
Odd that I would say that considering I am half German....
>-----end included text---------
Yea right....I can make things up as well.
Again, your proof?
>
>Reply to a question asking what is wrong with Renegade BBS:
>
>-----included text---------
>Renegade is a fuckin abortion.
Never used it.
X "is an abortion" is a common comment. Check Google and see how many
hits you get. Insert whatever you like for "x".
>Telegard RULEZ!!!!!
>-----end included text---------
Never used Telegard, but RULEZ is another common expression. Again
check your beloved Google for details.
Remember, we must document everything and be accurate here, and if we
have no facts we must make them up as we go along all for the
perceived victory of the fatherland.
>
>In response to an inquiry about the value of gaining OS/2 experience.
>
>-----included text---------
>OS/2 sucks
>DOS rules
Wrong.... I have always gone on record as saying OS/2 was great but
missed it's mark due to bad advertising by IBM.
>PM SUCKS
>Windows RULZ.
You spelled it wrong...
We MUST be accurate now her' mjcr.
BTW your boots are not shined.
>Now get to fuck off my board.
Rarely do I use profanities, on occasion, but rarely. I leave that to
the LinoScrews in order for them to demonstrate that they have run out
of ideas.
>-----end included text---------
Ahh yes... Cut and paste again
>
>From a sysop of another BBS that was a node on GaSpNet:
>
>-----included text---------
>Hey! Keymaster, Gary, Steve, Mike, Simon or whoever the fuck you are
>calling youself today!
>[...]
>-----end included text---------
Another made up story....
Gee, you're even better at it than I am, maybe you should consider a
career trolling the WIndows groups?
>
>After locking out a "caller" to The Great AbysS and announcing it via
>an echo of GaSpNet:
>
>From one sysop:
>
>-----included text---------
>Awwww come on! Let Tim back on...or we will never hear from you again,
>keymaster. We know that Tim = keymaster = Alice = Gary = you.
>NOW CUT THE ACT!
>-----end included text---------
Haaaa...
Do you actually save all this stuff?
GET A LIFE DUDE BECAUSE YOU ARE COMING UNDONE!!
>From another sysop:
>
>-----included text---------
>OK, Gary, Simon, winrulez, drkool, keymaster, Mike, W.J. Quimby, Tim
>you got tired of your "Tim" name but you don't got to make this show
>of lockin it out.
>-----end included text---------
You mean, end of cut and paste made up text.
BTW,
Quimby, 61,900 hits on Google.
I took it from the Burt Reynolds movie Semi-Tough.
Fawn Lebowitz?
Killed in a kilin explosion in the movie "Animal House".
Notice my comment to one of the other Linux supporters, that he was
close.
Got ya again her' mcjr.
>I guess Gary is one old dog that can not give up his old tricks and it is
>those tricks that lead to his identity. Just like how Quimby was cought
>today by Terry Porter was the same method I used to identify Gary as the
>person who tried to crack into my systems.
Terry Porter couldn't catch as case of the flu in Alaska in the middle
of winter.
The number of times he has been not even close is staggering. There
are others, who are far wiser and shrewd, be he is a flunky.
>I find the odds that these two persons, Gary and he/she/it are not one
>and the same to be quite slim.
Coming from a moron like you it's not surprising.
> That said, even with Gary's name exposed,
>he is still anonymous enough. There are at least 19 Gary Stewart's in
>the state of New York and 4 more in the state of New Jersey.
I suggest you start calling them all and find out for yourself.
Hell, I'll even save you some time, forget about NJ and start in NY,
although you'll have to scour the entire state because I have 3 homes.
I'll give you another clue:
I am none of the names I use, yet I am all of the names I use.
Now file that one away, document it, polish your boots and jump back
into your bunker.
Oh yea, one last thing mcjr:
Have you lost any weight since you used to manage the computer lab at
school?
You couldn't even walk between the desks and they had a special chair
made just for you because you kept breaking the regular one.
Why don't you tell us all about the time you re-wired the ethernet
cables to reflect the IEE standards without realizing that everything
in the entire network was wired wrong.
Yea....
Nothing worked when you through.
Word is you were quite a big one pushing 300lbs.
Fat is not good for your heart, especially when it is all located in
your head.
So how do "I" know this?
A little research on my own part, which can easily be proved.
How about a picture mjcr?
Yea that's what I thought....
So there you have it. I wasn't even going to waste the time replying,
but I felt I must because by remaining silent I would validate his
idiotic claims.
Here you have a case based solely on conjecture, wild claims and
falsified ip records.
If my ports were being scanned, I would report the person to his/her
ISP and post the response letter.
Ooops maybe I shouldn't have said that, because that will be the next
thing he makes up.
I was going to cut and paste his firewall logs and change the dates
and ip addresses to reflect his account, but why bother.
The people here are not idiots. They know exactly how easy it is to
fake anything.
The point is, that over the years that I have been posting in this
group, there has NEVER been ONE SINGLE COMPLAINT of me scanning ports,
sending email bombs, harassing people and so forth.
Except for a 300lb paranoid idiot who lives in the past (current year
-10) for you programmers.
I do battle everyday with the likes of you and some of you are better
at it than others. Even Porter, who basically is wrong 99 percent of
the time or more, is not a liar.
Closing point, if I haven't email bombed Bilk by now, why screw with
an overweight geek who is going nowhere?
And has ABSOLUTLEY NO SOLID PROOF.
At least Bilk is intelligent.
flatfish
GreyCloud
>
>
> I'll give you another piece of advice.
>
> Think "Defamation of Character", not by me (because that is not my
> name, or even my gender), but possibly by him or in fact legally, any
> of the "Gary M. Stewart's" in the NY/NJ phone book and are a phone
> call away from being informed of your little witch hunt.
>
> In short, you damm well better be able to prove your accusations and
> cut and paste fabricated logs will not suffice.
>
Uh-HUH! Defamation of whom now?? It has to boil down to one character
now doesn't it?? Witch hunt?? You said it not anybody else. With
someone with a multiple personality disorder you'd have little cause or
a case.
Terry Porter
<ulvdutcqscs2jtfpl...@4ax.com> dashed off:
>On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:12:12 -0800, "mjcr" <mj...@mindspring.com>
>wrote:
>
>>That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
>>winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
>>has gone by the false identities of:
>
>Gee that's news to me......
I doubt it, because in the years I've had to put up with your time
wasting name changes, I've never seen you write such a long and
indignant post.
I think Mjcr has hit all of "Flatfish's" hot buttons this time.
Well done Mjcr.
biv...@army.flop
wrote:
>
>
>
>There's one way to find out: visit Gary M. Stewart in person, and catch
>him in the act of posting to COLA. Busted!!
I suggest you call him and find out for yourself.....
biv...@army.flop
Porter) wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:26:26 GMT, flat...@mariana.trench in article
> <ulvdutcqscs2jtfpl...@4ax.com> dashed off:
>>On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:12:12 -0800, "mjcr" <mj...@mindspring.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
>>>winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
>>>has gone by the false identities of:
>>
>>Gee that's news to me......
>
>I doubt it, because in the years I've had to put up with your time
>wasting name changes, I've never seen you write such a long and
>indignant post.
>
>I think Mjcr has hit all of "Flatfish's" hot buttons this time.
>
>Well done Mjcr.
Dammed if I do and dammed if I don't...
He's not even close...
Not even Warm....
any...@no.net
Not by me...
But by
The real Gary Stewart.
Listed in the NY/NJ phone book and open to calls.
By posting a real name, unlike my aliases, he has left himself open to
a defamation of character suit should one or more of the real Gary
Stewarts decide to file.
Unfortunately, I am unable to file because that is not my name, but of
course there is always the possibility of a stalking suit seeing as he
likes to collect data on me, real or imagined. I could easily waste 3
or more years of his miserable life in court.
I can't wait till they see the "alien" post he made. He'll be lucky if
he gets away with time off and a straight jacket.
The threats about the word geek will only help to fuel the fire.
I can't believe that even the most devout Linonut would accept such
made up fairy tales as fact.
He has absolutely no proof what so ever.,..
.
*snip a massive amount of defense from someone who claims innocence*
Wow gary, you sure type alot for someone who claims false accusation.
.
> Not by me...
> But by
> The real Gary Stewart.
Hi gary, you forgot to change your IP again.
.
> Not even Warm....
Hi gary. Thats very impressive the way you change your moniker but not your ip.
.
>>
>>
Hi gary. Helpful hint: saying less says more to back up your claims.
Warren Bell
That sure was a lot of energy replying to somthing that wasn't you.
Hmm..
> For starters you got the wrong gender.
Transvestite maybe?
[cut huge reply]
Charlie Ebert
Are you shure you handle should be
"Felonyfish"???
Aren't you forgetting a little something mentioned
in a previous article.
--
Charlie
Warren Bell
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy biv...@army.flop wrote:
> > On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:31:29 -0500, Donn Miller <dmmi...@cvzoom.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>
> >>
>
> >>
> >>There's one way to find out: visit Gary M. Stewart in person, and catch
> >>him in the act of posting to COLA. Busted!!
>
> > I suggest you call him and find out for yourself.....
>
> Hi gary. Helpful hint: saying less says more to back up your claims.
>
Yeah, when someone goes into detail replying to every point instead of
just saying "you've got the wrong person" and being done with it, it
kind of makes it look like he _is_ that person.
n...@where.no
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy biv...@army.flop wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:31:29 -0500, Donn Miller <dmmi...@cvzoom.net>
>> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>
>>>
>>>There's one way to find out: visit Gary M. Stewart in person, and catch
>>>him in the act of posting to COLA. Busted!!
>
>
>> I suggest you call him and find out for yourself.....
>
>
>Hi gary. Helpful hint: saying less says more to back up your claims.
I'm NOT Gary, but I suspect you are correct. It's really a no win
situations, unless one looks at it objectively.
Defend myself and I lose.
Stay silent and I lose.
After this message I choose to stay slent, but I have contacted those
with the Gary Stewart name, at least those I could find, and have
provided them with the facts and have left it in their laps.
The asshole has no proof, none, excepting the falsified information he
presented and if in fact this was/is so important to him he would have
reported it, like a good Hitler Youth:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/hitleryouth/
But of course he has no concrete proof, so he would look like an
asshole in a court of law.
I will say this as a last comment and say no more.
To the COLA members, have I, under ANY alias, done anything malicious
to your systems?
EVER?
Of course not....
It's just not my style.
You decide, not based upon various identities, which I do not
categorically deny, although many are wrong, but upon proof of debate
minus attack.
Compare that to a person who has the natural born gift of annoying all
he comes in contact with. Look at his posting history.
He has fights everywhere he goes.
Check Google and see for yourself.
Men from Mars, which he conviently tries to cover up for later,
hostile posts and so forth.
It's all there to see.
Threatening lawsuits for using the word geek?
That is in Google as well.
Is this guy a nut?
I will say no more in this matter because it is not worth the cycles
spent on it.
Flatfish
a...@amy.com
wrote:
And if one says nothing, the accusations are assumed to be truth.
So which one wins?
.
> http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/hitleryouth/
> EVER?
> Of course not....
You're freaking out again, gary.
.
> So which one wins?
The one who doesnt break his ISP's AUP by impersonating existing return
addresses, gary.
Warren Bell
I didn't say to say nothing, but when you spend so much energy on a post
that shouldn't matter it kinda gives you away.
rac...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Yea, you're right...
Let the asshole sleep with his own fleas.
Warren Bell
> ... but I have contacted those
> with the Gary Stewart name, at least those I could find, and have
> provided them with the facts and have left it in their laps.
Now why would someone who has nothing to do with this person do this?
Or pretend to do this...?
mjcr
Rosten" <u98...@ecs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
Could you check the archives and see if all the "Tim Plamer" posting were
by Tim's? It could have been a case like Jeff, that when he left COLA,
Gary took over his identity. I don't recall what it was that caused Tim
to be added to the list; however, I will classify it into the suspected
list in the mean time.
--
I run Linux, no bloody RedHat, Debian, Slackware, or Corel, just Linux.
Linux accepted my new hardware without any effort on my part.
Windows took one look at my new hardware and committed suicide.
mjcr
<tjpo...@gronk.porter.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:12:12 -0800, mjcr in article
> <pan.2001.11.04.1...@mindspring.com> dashed off:
>>That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
>>winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well
>>who has gone by the false identities of:
>>
>>quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn Lebowitz,
>
>>Soon after I started reading COLA, I had my first run in with this
>>person. At the time he was using the names of Simon777, Susie Wong,
>
> I remember these two.
>
>> and Willy
>>Wong. I really took notice of him as more than just a passing troll,
>>when he spent nearly 12 hours trying to get past my firewall.
>
> Was this around 1996 ?
No, it was in 2000. Side point, can you imagine taking 11+ hours to scan
less than 1300 tcp ports like Gary did?
> <snip>
>>I guess Gary is one old dog that can not give up his old tricks
>
> You're so right, this person has been doing the same stuff in circles
> since I've been on Cola.
You would think that he could lean from the prior mistakes and avoid them
in his COLA dealing. It was through his mistakes that I first came to
suspect his identity. But I suppose he had not expected to encounter a
former caller to a BBS that was a nod of his GaSpNet.
>>those tricks that lead to his identity. Just like how Quimby was cought
>>today by Terry Porter was the same method I used to identify Gary as the
>>person who tried to crack into my systems.
>
> Unix logs are a bitch hey ;-)
>
> Interestingly so are local news spools :)
Yea! ;-)
My old interal news server was running on that machine that is now being
refit. I am thinking of giving innd a try to replace the older C
news+nntpd I used to run. In the meantime I am going to give leafnode a
try leafnode a try. Earlier this year when we experienced a 12+ hour
blackout, I had a little equipment failure in the form of a harddrive that
would no longer spin up and was generating a soft siren like sound when
the power was applied. That was the drive that held my news spool, so I
have been without a local news spool for long enough.
Reason for not fixing it before was that other than that hardware failure
the server was working fine, pull to power and data connections on that
drive, restore missing files from backup into other drives, and all was
fine. But a few thing had to go in the meantime, one of which was the
local news server.
BTW that failed drive is now fully functional again. It was out of
warranty and production for quite some time, and I just found out that the
manufacturer has stop all support for it one month before the failure.
Besides a repair would have cost more than a replacement. Figuring I had
nothing to loose since the drive seemed down for the count, last week, I
subjected it to good shake and jarring session. I was hoping to free a
locked or frozen part but this action. When I then tried running it again
or worked and there was no data lost and no badblocks detected.
> Well Gary met his match with you Mjcr, your memory I have observed, is
> incredible over long periods of time, for instance I watched DR Who from
> the start, and had no idea who was playing the doctor, when the Davros
> (who can forget a face like that?) episodes were playing.
Gary's old escapades through The Great AbysS are hard to forget.
If I recall, I think that episode "Genesis of the Daleks" was the first
episode following the Key of Time cycle. That was when Rommana Varatna
Lunda (sp?) regenerated taking on the image of the Princess Astra who was
the sixth segment of th key of time.
I just saw a movie from the early 1970's (on tape) with Tom Baker. It was
the "The Golden Voyage of Sinbad". Tom Baker was the villin in that
movie. Another movie in the same series, "Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger"
had another of the Doctor's in it, in that case it was Dr. #2 Patrick
Trouton (sp?), who played the part an ancient Greecian seer and
"scientist" who assisted Sinbad on his quest.
mjcr
<tall...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "." <yt...@mutilation.net> wrote in message
> news:9s5isp$e38$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy mjcr <mj...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I find the odds that these two persons, Gary and he/she/it are not
>> > one and the same to be quite slim. That said, even with Gary's name
> exposed,
>> > he is still anonymous enough. There are at least 19 Gary Stewart's
>> > in the state of New York and 4 more in the state of New Jersey.
>>
>> Yes, but this one really does live in the hamptons....just not
>> southampton as he has claimed. To my knowledge, theres only one there.
>> :)
>>
> Um, what are you guys planning to do? --
Please, no one is calling for a witch hunt or vandalism raids or anything
of that sort. That is Gary's style, not ours. There was an incident in
his BBS days, when he appears to have incited just such a reaction against
a caller. Let's take the highroad rather than emulating his actions.
mjcr
wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy mjcr <mj...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> I find the odds that these two persons, Gary and he/she/it are not one
>> and the same to be quite slim. That said, even with Gary's name
>> exposed, he is still anonymous enough. There are at least 19 Gary
>> Stewart's in the state of New York and 4 more in the state of New
>> Jersey.
>
> Yes, but this one really does live in the hamptons....just not
> southampton as he has claimed. To my knowledge, theres only one there.
> :)
How can you be sure that is the real location of his residence?
rac...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>n...@where.no wrote:
Easy, to allow the person fabricating all these events a chance to
strut his stuff so to speak.
He is the one who is convinced he knows what he is talking about.
I am the one who says he isn't even close.
Accusing someone of being someone else, in effect possibly slandering
an innocent person in the process, is a serious offense.
Let us say, someone wrote all kinds of nasties about Warren Bell all
over the net.
Would you be happy?
When you went for a job would you worry?
and so forth....
Same thing here....
Potentially we have 20+ Gary M Stewart's who have been mentioned by
name, and in effect slandered by a person who can't produce one single
shred of credible evidence.
Personally, I could care less because I am not one of them.
They, however are seeing this in an entirely different light.
If the asshole has proof positive and in fact can prove that one of
them is guilty, good for him, but I am completely out of the loop.
Time will tell.
rac...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>Please, no one is calling for a witch hunt or vandalism raids or anything
>of that sort. That is Gary's style, not ours. There was an incident in
>his BBS days, when he appears to have incited just such a reaction against
>a caller. Let's take the highroad rather than emulating his actions.
Haaaaaaa!!!!
That will remain to be seen when all the Gary Stewart's you have
slandered ring up their lawyers....
We , unfortunately , live in a sue happy world mjcr.
Of course if you can produce the REAL Gary Stewart, you will be off
the hook, but you can't and in truth you aren't even close.
What YOU call evidence, and what a court of law calls evidence are 2
completely different things...
Stephen Howe
>
> He's not even close...
>
> Not even Warm....
If that is so, why not post under your real name?
Nobody here is going to take your claims of innocence seriously until you
have the guts to post under your real name.
I am no linadvocate or winadvocate yet I post under my real name.
Why don't you?
Stephen Howe
Warren Bell
>
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:24:04 GMT, Warren Bell <wj...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >n...@where.no wrote:
> >
> >> ... but I have contacted those
> >> with the Gary Stewart name, at least those I could find, and have
> >> provided them with the facts and have left it in their laps.
> >
> >Now why would someone who has nothing to do with this person do this?
> >Or pretend to do this...?
>
> Easy, to allow the person fabricating all these events a chance to
> strut his stuff so to speak.
>
> He is the one who is convinced he knows what he is talking about.
> I am the one who says he isn't even close.
>
> Accusing someone of being someone else, in effect possibly slandering
> an innocent person in the process, is a serious offense.
>
> Let us say, someone wrote all kinds of nasties about Warren Bell all
> over the net.
>
If I was Warren Bell I would care. If I wasn't I could care less what
people have to say about someone else.
[cut]
Stephen Howe
"Stephen Howe" <NOSPAM...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:3be73f19$0$238$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com...
> > Dammed if I do and dammed if I don't...
> >
> > He's not even close...
> >
> > Not even Warm....
>
> If that is so, why not post under your real name?
> Nobody here is going to take your claims of innocence seriously until you
> have the guts to post under your real name.
(...with some proof of truth. After all you switched identities probably
more times than mjcr has listed so some documentation establishing your true
identity is a requisite).
Stephen Howe
Stephen Howe
> incredible over long periods of time, for instance I watched DR Who
> from the start, and had no idea who was playing the doctor, when
> the Davros (who can forget a face like that?) episodes were playing.
Tom Baker
Stephen Howe
Terry Porter
<pan.2001.11.05.1...@mindspring.com> dashed off:
>>> I really took notice of him as more than just a passing troll,
>>>when he spent nearly 12 hours trying to get past my firewall.
>>
>> Was this around 1996 ?
>
>No, it was in 2000. Side point, can you imagine taking 11+ hours to scan
>less than 1300 tcp ports like Gary did?
Hahah, yeah, a friend port scanned me, and it took 12 hrs, from his windows
box!
>
>> <snip>
>>>I guess Gary is one old dog that can not give up his old tricks
>>
>> You're so right, this person has been doing the same stuff in circles
>> since I've been on Cola.
>
>You would think that he could lean from the prior mistakes and avoid them
>in his COLA dealing. It was through his mistakes that I first came to
>suspect his identity. But I suppose he had not expected to encounter a
>former caller to a BBS that was a node of his GaSpNet.
Anyone doing what Flatfish does is bound to make mistakes sooner or later.
>> Well Gary met his match with you Mjcr, your memory I have observed, is
>> incredible over long periods of time, for instance I watched DR Who from
>> the start, and had no idea who was playing the doctor, when the Davros
>> (who can forget a face like that?) episodes were playing.
>
>Gary's old escapades through The Great AbysS are hard to forget.
>
>If I recall, I think that episode "Genesis of the Daleks" was the first
>episode following the Key of Time cycle. That was when Rommana Varatna
>Lunda (sp?) regenerated taking on the image of the Princess Astra who was
>the sixth segment of th key of time.
>
>I just saw a movie from the early 1970's (on tape) with Tom Baker. It was
>the "The Golden Voyage of Sinbad".
I loved that film!
> Tom Baker was the villin in that
>movie.
No no I *refuse* to believe it! ;-)
> Another movie in the same series, "Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger"
>had another of the Doctor's in it, in that case it was Dr. #2 Patrick
>Trouton (sp?), who played the part an ancient Greecian seer and
>"scientist" who assisted Sinbad on his quest.
Both great films!
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schizam
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mjcr
> <mj...@mindspring.com>
> wrote
> on Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:12:12 -0800
> <pan.2001.11.04.1...@mindspring.com>:
> >That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
> >winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
> >has gone by the false identities of:
> >
> >quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn Lebowitz,
>
>
> Heh...well, I'm not sure what the point of all this was, beyond
> establishing that perhaps there's only One WinTroll(tm), masquerading
> as many supporters of Windows -- presumably, he started supporting
> Windows in the Win95 days, and only recently has started
> with Windows XP.
>
> I only have to ask flatfish why he had to use so many identities
> in order to attempt getting his point across (attempts which,
> AFAICT, have failed miserably). To be sure, flatty may have
> been using only one OS, or family of OSes, for most of his life,
> as opposed to me, and others like me, who have used, among others:
>
> - RSX-11M
> - VMS
> - VM/CMS
> - VP/CSS
> - Apollo Domain Aegis (now called DomainOS, perhaps)
> - Daisy's MAESTRO, a monotasking platform for their products
> - Daisy DNIX (yuck; weirdsville)
> - DOS
> - Win3.1, Win95
> - WinNT3.51, WinNT4, Win2k
> - Solaris
> - HP-UX
> - AIX
> - OSF/1
> - AmigaDOS or AmigaOS
> - MacOS pre-7 (Amiga could emulate Mac *and* DOS)
> - AT&T 7300 Unix
> - modified System 6 Unix
> - System 7 Unix
> - BSD on a VAX (briefly)
> - MVS?
> - HASP?
> - Xenix (briefly)
> - Linux (SLS, Slackware, RedHat, Debian)
>
> One of the few I haven't used: OS/2. I suspect it's still out there;
> I've heard good things about it -- although at the time, 4 megabytes
> was considered bloated, and AmigaOS could do the same thing in a
> slim 256k. (How times change. It's probably looking impossibly
> skinny now. :-) ) Another one I have been exposed to, but
> don't know the internals of: Atari TOS. (I've long forgiven
> the Atariites; the Amiga may resurrect someday but for now it's
> in suspended animation, if not totally dead. I suspect the
> TS520 and TS1040 are in a similar state, if I'm even getting
> the model numbers right.)
>
> One of my more interesting hacks was a physical process map
> display on a System 6 or System 7 machine. It's amazing that
> that sort of permissiveness would be allowed today (and such
> a display would not be meaningful anymore because the model has
> changed). To be sure, the Amiga's preemptive multitasking did
> not come with memory protection, which led to some interesting
> hacks (along with unidentifiable crashes in early versions
> of AmigaOS).
>
> APL on VM/CMS was interesting. The only thing I remember
> about it, though, was the rho operator, which corresponded to
> what might be called '.length()' in Java or C++ today.
> I'd have to look -- and today APL might use multi-character
> tokens instead of special characters. Blame it on ASCII. :-)
>
> This isn't even that exhaustive a list: TOPS-10 and TOPS-20,
> for instance, are systems I've never used, and Pr1me had an
> OS which used '>' for file pathname delimiters; that's all I
> know about it, having seen a screen displaying such once. (VMS
> had its own ideas regarding pathnames, and I have no idea
> how MVS and HASP approached the problem; DD cards were
> very strange. I'm not even sure VM/CMS *had* pathnames,
> although it probably did.)
>
> And FORTH is ... well, FORTH is; classical FORTH didn't even
> have a file system; one had to load numbered screens.
> Such would seem impossibly archaic today.
>
> But there is a world beyond Microsoft, Winvocates. Open your minds.
Who says we don't see the world beyond MS?
I myself have used:
- PalmOS (won't touch a CE device)
- Linux (Mandrake 7.0, Redhat)
- SCO OpenServer (running on a Zenith)
- DOS
- DrDOS (long time ago)
- SunOS v.5.7
- VSE/ESA v1.5 (don't even ask)
- Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 (haven't tried XP yet)
I find Windows 98 to be my best solution thus far.
--
"My experience and some of my friends' experience is
that Linux is quite unreliable. Microsoft is really
unreliable but Linux is worse." - Ken Thompson
schizam
I'm sorry, I also have used:
- OpenVMS (I don't know how I forgot about that one, I use it often
enough)
mjcr
<a...@amy.com> wrote:
> And if one says nothing, the accusations are assumed to be truth.
>
> So which one wins?
Hello again,
quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn Lebowitz,
the_flatfish, juke_joint, Whizzer, whppier, t, WinRulez, linux_sux, Jeff
Szarka, Collie Entragion, Deadpenguin, , ., Amy, BklynBoy, Claire Lynn,
[Ff]latfish+++, [fF]latfish, [Ff]latfish++++, Grendel, Heather, Heather69,
Ishmeal Hafizi, Jerry Butler, McSwain, Mike Hunt, Mike, Pickle Pete,
Proculous, S, Sarek, Saul Goldblatt, Saul, Sewer Rat, Simon, Simon777,
Sponge, Steve, Susan Wong, Susie Wong, Swango, Syphon, Tiberious, Willy
Wong, Wobbles, bison, hepcat, keymaster, keys88, leg log, noone, piddy,
screwbilk, scummer, steveno, teknite, trailerpark, unknown, wazzoo,
whparker, nob...@nowhere.org, bill.gates.loves.me,
%^$&&&&&&&&&&&&@!!!!!!!!!!!!!.com,
Back for a return engagement? You could not stay with just one identity
again?
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rac...@hotmail.com
<NOSPAM...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>If that is so, why not post under your real name?
>Nobody here is going to take your claims of innocence seriously until you
>have the guts to post under your real name.
A perfectly valid point which I am going to address.
The reason, I DON'T post under my real name is because, unfortunately,
there are net-nazis like the one who has started a war here, that
exist solely for the purpose of glorifying whatever cause is they have
attached themselves to, like a parasite in fact.
If one were to query the masses involved in the cause about this
parasite, most would agree that all would be better off without
him/her.
Rarely do these parasites speak for the entire group at large, nor do
they even present an opposing theme to conjure up discussion. They do
however incite a type of witch hunt that invariably is off track, due
mostly to their inept skills at detective work, or they simply make
wild accusations without sound evidence to back it up.
This in effect does nothing to promote discussion within a news group.
To make matters even worse, when a member is living 10 years or more
in the past, his/her arguments become more or less invalid and should
be filtered and sent to one of the nostalgia groups.
But to answer your question, I am female, I live alone and I have no
desire to have some kind of net nazi leaving his un-polished boots at
my doorstep.
Especially a 300lb overweight geek.
rac...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>If I was Warren Bell I would care. If I wasn't I could care less what
>people have to say about someone else.
>
>[cut]
Ahhh...so we agree, sort of.
mjcr
<rac...@hotmail.com> wrote:
That is a new 100% confirmed identity for:
racer_y, quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn
Lebowitz, the_flatfish, juke_joint, Whizzer, whppier, t, WinRulez,
linux_sux, Jeff Szarka, Collie Entragion, Deadpenguin, , ., Amy, BklynBoy,
Claire Lynn, [Ff]latfish+++, [fF]latfish, [Ff]latfish++++, Grendel,
Heather, Heather69, Ishmeal Hafizi, Jerry Butler, McSwain, Mike Hunt,
Mike, Pickle Pete, Proculous, S, Sarek, Saul Goldblatt, Saul, Sewer Rat,
Simon, Simon777, Sponge, Steve, Susan Wong, Susie Wong, Swango, Syphon,
Tiberious, Willy Wong, Wobbles, bison, hepcat, keymaster, keys88, leg log,
noone, piddy, screwbilk, scummer, steveno, teknite, trailerpark, unknown,
wazzoo, whparker, nob...@nowhere.org, bill.gates.loves.me,
%^$&&&&&&&&&&&&@!!!!!!!!!!!!!.com,
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Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:24:39 +0000 From: rac...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Come and meet Gary "flatfish" Stewart Message-Id:
<oebeut8fi2tq3qpa4...@4ax.com>
schizam
>
> In article <oebeut8fi2tq3qpa4...@4ax.com>, "racer_y"
> <rac...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> That is a new 100% confirmed identity for:
Does Yttrx know about that?
mjcr
<any...@no.net> wrote:
What is this now? your fifth identity in this thread?
anyone, no, racer_y, quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper,
Fawn Lebowitz, the_flatfish, juke_joint, Whizzer, whppier, t, WinRulez,
linux_sux, Jeff Szarka, Collie Entragion, Deadpenguin, , ., Amy, BklynBoy,
Claire Lynn, [Ff]latfish+++, [fF]latfish, [Ff]latfish++++, Grendel, Heather,
Heather69, Ishmeal Hafizi, Jerry Butler, McSwain, Mike Hunt, Mike, Pickle
Pete, Proculous, S, Sarek, Saul Goldblatt, Saul, Sewer Rat, Simon, Simon777,
Sponge, Steve, Susan Wong, Susie Wong, Swango, Syphon, Tiberious, Willy
Wong, Wobbles, bison, hepcat, keymaster, keys88, leg log, noone, piddy,
screwbilk, scummer, steveno, teknite, trailerpark, unknown, wazzoo,
whparker, nob...@nowhere.org, bill.gates.loves.me,
%^$&&&&&&&&&&&&@!!!!!!!!!!!!!.com,
--
mjcr
<biv...@army.flop> wrote:
> biv...@army.flop
Make that six false identities in one thread.
biv...@army.flop, anyone, no, racer_y, quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby,
mjcr
Terry Porter
>That will remain to be seen when all the Gary Stewart's you have
>slandered ring up their lawyers....
He didn't slander them, he claimed *your* name was Gary Stewart.
Nice attempt at spin, but leave it to the experts, you're just
not up to it Flatty.
>Of course if you can produce the REAL Gary Stewart, you will be off
>the hook,
He's not on the hook, *you* are.
> but you can't and in truth you aren't even close.
Prove it.
>
>What YOU call evidence, and what a court of law calls evidence are 2
>completely different things...
Prove it.
Terry Porter
<vggeut01fhkagle21...@4ax.com> dashed off:
>On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:39:39 -0000, "Stephen Howe"
><NOSPAM...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>>If that is so, why not post under your real name?
>>Nobody here is going to take your claims of innocence seriously until you
>>have the guts to post under your real name.
>
>A perfectly valid point which I am going to address.
>The reason, I DON'T post under my real name is because, unfortunately,
>there are net-nazis like the one who has started a war here, that
>exist solely for the purpose of glorifying whatever cause is they have
>attached themselves to, like a parasite in fact.
Not true, I've been posting under my name for 4 years since I got an
ISP account, and I've had zero trouble/
>
>If one were to query the masses involved in the cause about this
>parasite, most would agree that all would be better off without
>him/her.
No they wouldn't, but we would agree we would be a lot better off
without you Flatfish.
>This in effect does nothing to promote discussion within a news group.
How would you know, Wintroll ?
>But to answer your question, I am female, I live alone and I have no
This is in direct opposition to your claims of a Wife and children
when you were "keys88".
As usual this poster otherwise known as :-
"Steve,Mike,Heather,Simon,teknite,keymaster,keys88,Sewer Rat,
S,Sponge,Sarek,piddy,McSwain,pickle_pete,Ishmeal_hafizi,Amy,
Simon777,Claire,Flatfish+++,Flatfish,juke_...@hotmail.com.
<FawnLebowitz>lebo...@hotmail.com,junk_t...@hotmail.com.
is telling as much truth as usual, which is to say ... none.
Warren Bell
Kinda makes you wish you could write a custom header parser and use it
with your newsreader:
@headers
$junk = 0;
foreach $line (@headers) {
if ($line =~ /NNTP-Posting-Host\: 24.187.184.105/) {
$junk = 1;
last;
}
}
if ($junk) {
.....
}
.
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:24:04 GMT, Warren Bell <wj...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>>n...@where.no wrote:
>>
>>> ... but I have contacted those
>>> with the Gary Stewart name, at least those I could find, and have
>>> provided them with the facts and have left it in their laps.
>>
>>Now why would someone who has nothing to do with this person do this?
>>Or pretend to do this...?
> Easy, to allow the person fabricating all these events a chance to
> strut his stuff so to speak.
> He is the one who is convinced he knows what he is talking about.
> I am the one who says he isn't even close.
Hi again, header munger gary. I thought you werent going to post any more
about it?
You lied again.
-----.
--
Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and
its filled with people who are filled with shit and the
vermin of the world inhabit it
.
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:39:39 -0000, "Stephen Howe"
> <NOSPAM...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>If that is so, why not post under your real name?
>>Nobody here is going to take your claims of innocence seriously until you
>>have the guts to post under your real name.
> A perfectly valid point which I am going to address.
> The reason, I DON'T post under my real name is because, unfortunately,
> there are net-nazis like the one who has started a war here, that
> exist solely for the purpose of glorifying whatever cause is they have
> attached themselves to, like a parasite in fact.
Yes, you can tell right away that you arent gary by all the really long
posts you keep making about it, swearing up and down that it isnt true.
No really.
.
> On Tue, 06 Nov 2001 00:16:09 GMT, Warren Bell <wj...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>>a...@amy.com wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 23:58:00 GMT, Warren Bell <wj...@pacbell.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"." wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy biv...@army.flop wrote:
>>> >> > On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:31:29 -0500, Donn Miller <dmmi...@cvzoom.net>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>There's one way to find out: visit Gary M. Stewart in person, and catch
>>> >> >>him in the act of posting to COLA. Busted!!
>>> >>
>>> >> > I suggest you call him and find out for yourself.....
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi gary. Helpful hint: saying less says more to back up your claims.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Yeah, when someone goes into detail replying to every point instead of
>>> >just saying "you've got the wrong person" and being done with it, it
>>> >kind of makes it look like he _is_ that person.
>>>
>>> And if one says nothing, the accusations are assumed to be truth.
>>>
>>> So which one wins?
>>
>>I didn't say to say nothing, but when you spend so much energy on a post
>>that shouldn't matter it kinda gives you away.
> Yea, you're right...
> Let the asshole sleep with his own fleas.
Indeed, gary.
.
> mjcr wrote:
>>
>> In article <oebeut8fi2tq3qpa4...@4ax.com>, "racer_y"
>> <rac...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is a new 100% confirmed identity for:
>> , .,
> Does Yttrx know about that?
Know about which?
.
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 16:39:09 -0800, "mjcr" <mj...@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>>Please, no one is calling for a witch hunt or vandalism raids or anything
>>of that sort. That is Gary's style, not ours. There was an incident in
>>his BBS days, when he appears to have incited just such a reaction against
>>a caller. Let's take the highroad rather than emulating his actions.
> Haaaaaaa!!!!
> That will remain to be seen when all the Gary Stewart's you have
> slandered ring up their lawyers....
You obviously dont know what "slander" means.
Which isnt surprising at all, gary. Seeing as how youre a really fucking
huge idiot.
> We , unfortunately , live in a sue happy world mjcr.
> Of course if you can produce the REAL Gary Stewart, you will be off
> the hook, but you can't and in truth you aren't even close.
> What YOU call evidence, and what a court of law calls evidence are 2
> completely different things...
What you call a "game", your ISP calls "breaking our AUP" by the way.
Paolo Ciambotti
wrote:
>
> Hi gary. Helpful hint: saying less says more to back up your claims.
>
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
rac...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>In article <jjaeutkl6rrmr4dq5...@4ax.com>, "amy"
><a...@amy.com> wrote:
>
>
>> And if one says nothing, the accusations are assumed to be truth.
>>
>> So which one wins?
>
>Hello again,
Proof fatso geek.....
rac...@hotmail.com
rac...@hotmail.com
rac...@hotmail.com
Amaze
>
> Please, no one is calling for a witch hunt or vandalism raids or anything
> of that sort. That is Gary's style, not ours. There was an incident in
> his BBS days, when he appears to have incited just such a reaction against
> a caller. Let's take the highroad rather than emulating his actions.
>
Amaze
<rac...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ieeuts7tslr6u0bf...@4ax.com...
> >of that sort. That is Gary's style, not ours. There was an incident in
> >his BBS days, when he appears to have incited just such a reaction
against
> >a caller. Let's take the highroad rather than emulating his actions.
>
>
>
> That will remain to be seen when all the Gary Stewart's you have
> slandered ring up their lawyers....
>
>
>
> Of course if you can produce the REAL Gary Stewart, you will be off
> the hook, but you can't and in truth you aren't even close.
>
> What YOU call evidence, and what a court of law calls evidence are 2
> completely different things...
>
rac...@hotmail.com
David Mohring
><tall...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> "." <yt...@mutilation.net> wrote in message
>> news:9s5isp$e38$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy mjcr <mj...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I find the odds that these two persons, Gary and he/she/it are not
>>> > one and the same to be quite slim. That said, even with Gary's name
>> exposed,
>>> > he is still anonymous enough. There are at least 19 Gary Stewart's
>>> > in the state of New York and 4 more in the state of New Jersey.
>>>
>>> Yes, but this one really does live in the hamptons....just not
>>> southampton as he has claimed. To my knowledge, theres only one there.
>>> :)
>>>
>> Um, what are you guys planning to do? --
>
>of that sort. That is Gary's style, not ours. There was an incident in
>his BBS days, when he appears to have incited just such a reaction against
>a caller. Let's take the highroad rather than emulating his actions.
I'm not so sure, he is certainly spending a hell of a lot of time
attempting to do a lot of damage to the reputation of Linux and open
source solutions in general. Also he has a long histroy of doing so
including the disparaging of OS/2 and other Microsoft competitors.
If he is in the "employ" of Microsoft as was Rick Segal ...
http://lists.essential.org/1998/am-info/msg01529.html
+The Barkto Incident did not escape the attention of the
+Department of Justice who was winding up their five-year investigation
+of MS when it occured. They flew a special team to Redmond to take
+depositions on the matter just weeks before Microsoft agreed to the
+Consent Decree designed to stop their predatory and anti-competitive
+business practices.
Then it might be a good idea for a civic minded US citizen to pass
the information along to ...
http://www.justice.gov/atr/contact/emails.htm
+If your comments relate specifically to the Antitrust Division's suit
+against Microsoft Corporation, please direct your correspondence to
+Micros...@usdoj.gov
... and also, given the recent turn of events, also contact
Massachusetts Attorney General Thomas Reilly
+The Honorable Thomas F. Reilly Attorney General
+Department of the Attorney General
+One Ashburton Place, Room 1800
+Boston, MA 02108-1698
+Phone: 617/727-2200 x2004
+Fax: 617/727-6016
and California Attorney General Bill Lockyer
http://caag.state.ca.us/contact/index.htm
+You can contact the Public Inquiry Unit at (916) 322-3360 or, within
+California, by calling (800) 952-5225.
David Mohring - "... History never repeats, I tell myself,
before I go to sleep ..."
rac...@hotmail.com
Porter) wrote:
>Not true, I've been posting under my name for 4 years since I got an
>ISP account, and I've had zero trouble/
Well terry, to be honest, that is because at times you may act like an
idiot, you are mostly benign and are not an out an out liar.
Misguided at times, yes.
But a liar?
No, you are not that.
Big difference, because this is an advocacy group and even *I* respect
others opinions and the right to say what they wish.
Also, you don't make wild out in left field stories up.
Sometimes you are correct, sometimes you are not, but it's all in the
game.
>>
>>If one were to query the masses involved in the cause about this
>>parasite, most would agree that all would be better off without
>>him/her.
>
>No they wouldn't, but we would agree we would be a lot better off
>without you Flatfish.
Hahhhhh...
Last time I left for a few weeks people were asking for me to come
back because the group got too boring.
>>This in effect does nothing to promote discussion within a news group.
>
>How would you know, Wintroll ?
Awwww. now you're hurting me Terry :(
>>But to answer your question, I am female, I live alone and I have no
>
>This is in direct opposition to your claims of a Wife and children
>when you were "keys88".
When?
When meaning?
talking now.
Are you living in time-10 like fatso?
>As usual this poster otherwise known as :-
>
>"Steve,Mike,Heather,Simon,teknite,keymaster,keys88,Sewer Rat,
>S,Sponge,Sarek,piddy,McSwain,pickle_pete,Ishmeal_hafizi,Amy,
>Simon777,Claire,Flatfish+++,Flatfish,juke_...@hotmail.com.
><FawnLebowitz>lebo...@hotmail.com,junk_t...@hotmail.com.
Yep, I guess you are.....
Sorry to hear that....
I'd take a look at his posting history first before ally with him...
You like living in the same can as nuts?
>is telling as much truth as usual, which is to say ... none.
Talk to fatso, the 300lb whale about that one.
Next time I'll tell ya about how, when he was running the computer
lab, he tried to flunk an entire class because they didn't know the
versions of DOS from 1.0 on up.....In 1993 of course....
You don't even want to know what the parents said....
Suffice to say it was the end of his career in education.
rac...@hotmail.com
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy rac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:39:39 -0000, "Stephen Howe"
>> <NOSPAM...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>If that is so, why not post under your real name?
>>>Nobody here is going to take your claims of innocence seriously until you
>>>have the guts to post under your real name.
>
>> A perfectly valid point which I am going to address.
>
>> The reason, I DON'T post under my real name is because, unfortunately,
>> there are net-nazis like the one who has started a war here, that
>> exist solely for the purpose of glorifying whatever cause is they have
>> attached themselves to, like a parasite in fact.
>
>Yes, you can tell right away that you arent gary by all the really long
>posts you keep making about it, swearing up and down that it isnt true.
>
>No really.
So have your brother give me a ring.
I AM in the fone book, and as you say he lives in the same town.
I'd be glad to talk to him about some problems I am having with a new
set of monitors I had installed.
Dyanaudio's and they stink...Maybe he can offer some assistance?
rac...@hotmail.com
Porter) wrote:
>On Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:20:44 GMT, rac...@hotmail.com in article
>
>>That will remain to be seen when all the Gary Stewart's you have
>>slandered ring up their lawyers....
>
>He didn't slander them, he claimed *your* name was Gary Stewart.
With absolutely no proof and in fact mentioned 20+names in a phone
book in effect involving all of them.
Welcome to class action suit TP......
>Nice attempt at spin, but leave it to the experts, you're just
>not up to it Flatty.
No spin, fact....
>>Of course if you can produce the REAL Gary Stewart, you will be off
>>the hook,
>
>He's not on the hook, *you* are.
If I were GS I would be, but I'm not so I can simply send the
appropriate information to the appropriate people and see what
happens.
>> but you can't and in truth you aren't even close.
>
>Prove it.
I don't have to, I made no slander.
Hard to prove what doesn't exist...
He made the accusation, let him prove it.
Good Luck....
He hasn't provided one milli-ounce of proof yet.
>>
>>What YOU call evidence, and what a court of law calls evidence are 2
>>completely different things...
>
>Prove it.
I don't have to, I made no slander.
See above (BTW you are starting to look like an idiot)
Oooopssss.I see you ran out of comments....
Oh well, looks like you have enough to keep you busy...
Terry, seriously, you would be best to stay out of this one because
you are not going to like the end result.
Don't get involved....
rac...@hotmail.com
Maybe, but not a shred of concrete evidence has been produced......
mjcr
<pac...@fuckmicrosoft.com> wrote:
Funny that, Just yesterday I was watching Hamlet.
rac...@hotmail.com
(David Mohring) wrote:
Barkto, I'm honored but no it's not me.
I don't even support the memo in fact.
I am simply defending myself against a fatso geek idiot, who belongs
back in the nazi regime of 50 years ago.
A loser who produces absolutely no facts except cut and paste logs...
A loser who made no effort to report the incident to the appropriate
ISP people, yet it was important enough for him to save for years.
Sure....
Makes sense to me...
Terry Porter
<r2leuto4g1h2hh0bb...@4ax.com> dashed off:
Hahahhahhahhaahh!
I'll put it in the wardrobe nxt to my other suits, Flatty.
>
>Hard to prove what doesn't exist...
You dont exist, thats not hard to prove.
>Terry, seriously, you would be best to stay out of this one because
>you are not going to like the end result.
Oh my God, Flatfish has threatened me, quick where's a lawyer ?
>
>Don't get involved....
Save your non existant breath Flatty.
Terry Porter
<bekeutgbbdhsh88od...@4ax.com> dashed off:
Hahahahah, poor old Gary is loosing it fast!
Terry Porter
>On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:10:49 +1100, tjpo...@gronk.porter.net (Terry
>Porter) wrote:
>
>
>>Not true, I've been posting under my name for 4 years since I got an
>>ISP account, and I've had zero trouble/
>
>Well terry, to be honest,
This will be a first for you.
>Big difference, because this is an advocacy group and even *I* respect
>others opinions and the right to say what they wish.
If you respected anyone, as you *claim*, then you would drop all the
fake-id's and stop wasting our time.
>
>Also, you don't make wild out in left field stories up.
You have just described yourself Flatty.
>Last time I left for a few weeks people were asking for me to come
>back because the group got too boring.
A couple of people did, that's true, but I was not one of them.
>Awwww. now you're hurting me Terry :(
That will be the day, your skin is pretty thick.
>
>>>But to answer your question, I am female, I live alone and I have no
>>
>>This is in direct opposition to your claims of a Wife and children
>>when you were "keys88".
Readers: Notice the lack of refutation ?
>
>When?
>
>When meaning?
>
>talking now.
>
If you're really female (which I doubt), then you forgot to tell everybody
that you were actually telling the truth when you claimed it.
The weight of your lies means that anything you say will automatically
be disbelieved and you have an uphill battle to change it.
David Mohring
rac...@hotmail.com <rac...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 03:06:13 +0000 (UTC), her...@heretic.ihug.co.nz
>(David Mohring) wrote:
>
>
>Barkto, I'm honored but no it's not me.
But the tactic are just the same.
>
>I don't even support the memo in fact.
>
>I am simply defending myself against a fatso geek idiot, who belongs
>back in the nazi regime of 50 years ago.
>
>A loser who produces absolutely no facts except cut and paste logs...
>
You mean like
"Goodwin's Law of Usenet"
http://members.tripod.com/~goodwin_2/law.html
+Professor Goodwin, U of I, in 1981 made the observation that Usenet
+discussions gravitate downhill.
+
+He postulated that as the length of a discussion thread grows, the
+probability approaches one (1) that one participant will introduce the terms
+"Hitler" or "Nazi".
+
+The custom has evolved that the first party to utter "Hitler" or "Nazi" has
+lost the discussion, and the thread terminates.
>A loser who made no effort to report the incident to the appropriate
>ISP people, yet it was important enough for him to save for years.
>
>Sure....
>
>Makes sense to me...
>
>
But at least I am not a coward who attacks under the cover of aliases.
David Mohring - My real name.
rac...@hotmail.com
(David Mohring) wrote:
But.......................
I have not attacked anyone.....
That would be her'mjcr nazi at large.
GreyCloud
>
> schizam wrote:
> >
> > The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mjcr
> > > <mj...@mindspring.com>
> > > wrote
> > > on Sun, 04 Nov 2001 19:12:12 -0800
> > > <pan.2001.11.04.1...@mindspring.com>:
> > > >That is right Gary M. Stewart is the real identity of the long term
> > > >winvocate and wintroll who has haunted COLA and perhaps a.l.s as well who
> > > >has gone by the false identities of:
> > > >
> > > >quimby, Wilbur J. Quimby, fawnlebowitz, junk_trapper, Fawn Lebowitz,
> > > >the_flatfish, juke_joint, Whizzer, whppier, t, WinRulez, linux_sux, Jeff
> > >
> > > [rest snipped]
> > >
> > > Heh...well, I'm not sure what the point of all this was, beyond
> > > establishing that perhaps there's only One WinTroll(tm), masquerading
> > > as many supporters of Windows -- presumably, he started supporting
> > > Windows in the Win95 days, and only recently has started
> > > with Windows XP.
> > >
> > > I only have to ask flatfish why he had to use so many identities
> > > in order to attempt getting his point across (attempts which,
> > > AFAICT, have failed miserably). To be sure, flatty may have
> > > been using only one OS, or family of OSes, for most of his life,
> > > as opposed to me, and others like me, who have used, among others:
> > >
> > > - RSX-11M
> > > - VMS
> > > - VM/CMS
> > > - VP/CSS
> > > - Apollo Domain Aegis (now called DomainOS, perhaps)
> > > - Daisy's MAESTRO, a monotasking platform for their products
> > > - Daisy DNIX (yuck; weirdsville)
> > > - DOS
> > > - Win3.1, Win95
> > > - WinNT3.51, WinNT4, Win2k
> > > - Solaris
> > > - HP-UX
> > > - AIX
> > > - OSF/1
> > > - AmigaDOS or AmigaOS
> > > - MacOS pre-7 (Amiga could emulate Mac *and* DOS)
> > > - AT&T 7300 Unix
> > > - modified System 6 Unix
> > > - System 7 Unix
> > > - BSD on a VAX (briefly)
> > > - MVS?
> > > - HASP?
> > > - Xenix (briefly)
> > > - Linux (SLS, Slackware, RedHat, Debian)
> > >
> > > One of the few I haven't used: OS/2. I suspect it's still out there;
> > > I've heard good things about it -- although at the time, 4 megabytes
> > > was considered bloated, and AmigaOS could do the same thing in a
> > > slim 256k. (How times change. It's probably looking impossibly
> > > skinny now. :-) ) Another one I have been exposed to, but
> > > don't know the internals of: Atari TOS. (I've long forgiven
> > > the Atariites; the Amiga may resurrect someday but for now it's
> > > in suspended animation, if not totally dead. I suspect the
> > > TS520 and TS1040 are in a similar state, if I'm even getting
> > > the model numbers right.)
> > >
> > > One of my more interesting hacks was a physical process map
> > > display on a System 6 or System 7 machine. It's amazing that
> > > that sort of permissiveness would be allowed today (and such
> > > a display would not be meaningful anymore because the model has
> > > changed). To be sure, the Amiga's preemptive multitasking did
> > > not come with memory protection, which led to some interesting
> > > hacks (along with unidentifiable crashes in early versions
> > > of AmigaOS).
> > >
> > > APL on VM/CMS was interesting. The only thing I remember
> > > about it, though, was the rho operator, which corresponded to
> > > what might be called '.length()' in Java or C++ today.
> > > I'd have to look -- and today APL might use multi-character
> > > tokens instead of special characters. Blame it on ASCII. :-)
> > >
> > > This isn't even that exhaustive a list: TOPS-10 and TOPS-20,
> > > for instance, are systems I've never used, and Pr1me had an
> > > OS which used '>' for file pathname delimiters; that's all I
> > > know about it, having seen a screen displaying such once. (VMS
> > > had its own ideas regarding pathnames, and I have no idea
> > > how MVS and HASP approached the problem; DD cards were
> > > very strange. I'm not even sure VM/CMS *had* pathnames,
> > > although it probably did.)
> > >
> > > And FORTH is ... well, FORTH is; classical FORTH didn't even
> > > have a file system; one had to load numbered screens.
> > > Such would seem impossibly archaic today.
> > >
> > > But there is a world beyond Microsoft, Winvocates. Open your minds.
> >
> > Who says we don't see the world beyond MS?
> >
> > I myself have used:
> >
> > - PalmOS (won't touch a CE device)
> > - Linux (Mandrake 7.0, Redhat)
> > - SCO OpenServer (running on a Zenith)
> > - DOS
> > - DrDOS (long time ago)
> > - SunOS v.5.7
> > - VSE/ESA v1.5 (don't even ask)
> > - Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 (haven't tried XP yet)
>
> I'm sorry, I also have used:
>
> - OpenVMS (I don't know how I forgot about that one, I use it often
> enough)
>
Good O/S there. All I've got is VMS at home here.
GreyCloud
>
Hi flattie... well, I looked at my message counter and it was high, so I
figured you were back stirring up the pot again.
GreyCloud
Hehehe.... sounds like mjcr has found the magic button.
GreyCloud
>
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:55:55 GMT, GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>
> >flat...@mariana.trench wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll give you another piece of advice.
> >>
> >> Think "Defamation of Character", not by me (because that is not my
> >> name, or even my gender), but possibly by him or in fact legally, any
> >> of the "Gary M. Stewart's" in the NY/NJ phone book and are a phone
> >> call away from being informed of your little witch hunt.
> >>
> >> In short, you damm well better be able to prove your accusations and
> >> cut and paste fabricated logs will not suffice.
> >>
> >
> >Uh-HUH! Defamation of whom now?? It has to boil down to one character
> >now doesn't it?? Witch hunt?? You said it not anybody else. With
> >someone with a multiple personality disorder you'd have little cause or
> >a case.
>
> Not by me...
>
> But by
>
> The real Gary Stewart.
>
> Listed in the NY/NJ phone book and open to calls.
>
So?? And not likely. And so is everybody else in the phone book.
> By posting a real name, unlike my aliases, he has left himself open to
> a defamation of character suit should one or more of the real Gary
> Stewarts decide to file.
>
Again, not likely. Sounds a lot like bluff.
> Unfortunately, I am unable to file because that is not my name, but of
> course there is always the possibility of a stalking suit seeing as he
> likes to collect data on me, real or imagined. I could easily waste 3
> or more years of his miserable life in court.
>
No, not stalking... more like a bounty hunter.
> I can't wait till they see the "alien" post he made. He'll be lucky if
> he gets away with time off and a straight jacket.
>
> The threats about the word geek will only help to fuel the fire.
>
> I can't believe that even the most devout Linonut would accept such
> made up fairy tales as fact.
>
> He has absolutely no proof what so ever.,..
Mark Kent
>On 5 Nov 2001 23:40:25 GMT, yt...@mutilation.net (.) wrote:
>
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy biv...@army.flop wrote:
>>> On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 17:31:29 -0500, Donn Miller <dmmi...@cvzoom.net>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>There's one way to find out: visit Gary M. Stewart in person, and catch
>>>>him in the act of posting to COLA. Busted!!
>>
>>
>>> I suggest you call him and find out for yourself.....
>>
>>
>>Hi gary. Helpful hint: saying less says more to back up your claims.
>
>
>situations, unless one looks at it objectively.
>
>Defend myself and I lose.
>Stay silent and I lose.
>
>After this message I choose to stay slent, but I have contacted those
>with the Gary Stewart name, at least those I could find, and have
>provided them with the facts and have left it in their laps.
>
Now if you know this to be untrue, why are you circulating libellous
rumours, I wonder?
--
Mark Kent
Take out the ham to mail me.
Mark Kent
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:55:55 GMT, GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>
>>flat...@mariana.trench wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll give you another piece of advice.
>>>
>>> Think "Defamation of Character", not by me (because that is not my
>>> name, or even my gender), but possibly by him or in fact legally, any
>>> of the "Gary M. Stewart's" in the NY/NJ phone book and are a phone
>>> call away from being informed of your little witch hunt.
>>>
>>> In short, you damm well better be able to prove your accusations and
>>> cut and paste fabricated logs will not suffice.
>>>
>>
>>Uh-HUH! Defamation of whom now?? It has to boil down to one character
>>now doesn't it?? Witch hunt?? You said it not anybody else. With
>>someone with a multiple personality disorder you'd have little cause or
>>a case.
>
>
>Not by me...
>
>But by
>
>The real Gary Stewart.
>
>Listed in the NY/NJ phone book and open to calls.
>
>a defamation of character suit should one or more of the real Gary
>Stewarts decide to file.
Not so sure about that - if he's really wrong, then he's just made
a mistake, surely? The only person who can finally confirm this is
yourself, so I'd certainly see you as a major contributing party to
any problem, anyway.
>
>Unfortunately, I am unable to file because that is not my name, but of
>course there is always the possibility of a stalking suit seeing as he
>likes to collect data on me, real or imagined. I could easily waste 3
>or more years of his miserable life in court.
I think you're unable to file full stop!
>
>I can't wait till they see the "alien" post he made. He'll be lucky if
>he gets away with time off and a straight jacket.
Why?
>
>The threats about the word geek will only help to fuel the fire.
>
>
>I can't believe that even the most devout Linonut would accept such
>made up fairy tales as fact.
Looks pretty convincing to me.
>
>He has absolutely no proof what so ever.,..
>
If he's wrong, who are you?
Mark Kent
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy flat...@mariana.trench wrote:
>
>*snip a massive amount of defense from someone who claims innocence*
>
>Wow gary, you sure type alot for someone who claims false accusation.
>
I don't think you can really use the width of a posting as proof of anything.
I would have thought, though, that if the suggested ID was wrong, flatty
would just have laughed, loudly and publicly, so I think it's probably
correct by the reaction.
TuxTrax
> On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 22:55:55 GMT, GreyCloud <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>
> >flat...@mariana.trench wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll give you another piece of advice.
<snip>
> He has absolutely no proof what so ever.,..
Well, well, well. Nice to finally meet you Gary. Or would you prefer
another pseudonymn? Don't worry. I doubt anyone cares enough to
harrass you in person, which seems to be your concern.
As for all that legal stuff; drop it. It just makes you look silly.
It's kind of like screaming at a cop while getting a ticket. It just
cements the impression of guilt.
I do think we spend way too much time on you in COLA. Maybe that's why
you keep coming back? Because we are so good to you? You are kind of
like a favorite pet.....
Amaze
"GreyCloud" <mi...@cumulus.com> wrote in message
news:3BE77196...@cumulus.com...
Too bad it's not the mute button.
Mark Kent
>On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:39:39 -0000, "Stephen Howe"
><NOSPAM...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>
>>If that is so, why not post under your real name?
>>Nobody here is going to take your claims of innocence seriously until you
>>have the guts to post under your real name.
>
>A perfectly valid point which I am going to address.
>
>The reason, I DON'T post under my real name is because, unfortunately,
>there are net-nazis like the one who has started a war here, that
>exist solely for the purpose of glorifying whatever cause is they have
>attached themselves to, like a parasite in fact.
I post under my real name and I've not found this at all. This is real
anti-real name FUD, there's no truth or factual basis for this statement,
it's pure FUD.
>
>If one were to query the masses involved in the cause about this
>parasite, most would agree that all would be better off without
>him/her.
Ah, "everyone thinks"...
Mark Kent
>
>I find Windows 98 to be my best solution thus far.
>
Well, you don't way what problem it is a solution for. Perhaps you
wanted to reboot your PC more often?
mjcr
<ma...@noham.otford.kent.btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
Has anyone tried to pin down this person before? How did this person
react those times if it has happened?
.
> On 6 Nov 2001 02:23:12 GMT, yt...@mutilation.net (.) wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy rac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 01:39:39 -0000, "Stephen Howe"
>>> <NOSPAM...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>If that is so, why not post under your real name?
>>>>Nobody here is going to take your claims of innocence seriously until you
>>>>have the guts to post under your real name.
>>
>>> A perfectly valid point which I am going to address.
>>
>>> The reason, I DON'T post under my real name is because, unfortunately,
>>> there are net-nazis like the one who has started a war here, that
>>> exist solely for the purpose of glorifying whatever cause is they have
>>> attached themselves to, like a parasite in fact.
>>
>>Yes, you can tell right away that you arent gary by all the really long
>>posts you keep making about it, swearing up and down that it isnt true.
>>
>>No really.
> So have your brother give me a ring.
Hes not my brother, and you completely dont pay attention.
> I AM in the fone book, and as you say he lives in the same town.
He does not live in the same town.
-----.
--
Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and
its filled with people who are filled with shit and the
vermin of the world inhabit it
.
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:05:31 +1100, tjpo...@gronk.porter.net (Terry
> Porter) wrote:
>>On Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:20:44 GMT, rac...@hotmail.com in article
>>
>>>That will remain to be seen when all the Gary Stewart's you have
>>>slandered ring up their lawyers....
>>
>>He didn't slander them, he claimed *your* name was Gary Stewart.
> With absolutely no proof and in fact mentioned 20+names in a phone
> book in effect involving all of them.
> Welcome to class action suit TP......
Wow, are you ever a huge fucking idiot. Care to supply a source for this
assertion? I'll take a precident---parties, date, court and judge please.
blah
> rac...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:05:31 +1100, tjpo...@gronk.porter.net (Terry
>> Porter) wrote:
>>>On Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:20:44 GMT, rac...@hotmail.com in article
>>>
>>>>That will remain to be seen when all the Gary Stewart's you have
>>>>slandered ring up their lawyers....
>>>
>>>He didn't slander them, he claimed *your* name was Gary Stewart.
>> With absolutely no proof and in fact mentioned 20+names in a phone
>> book in effect involving all of them.
>> Welcome to class action suit TP......
> Wow, are you ever a huge fucking idiot. Care to supply a source for this
> assertion? I'll take a precident---parties, date, court and judge please.
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe and John Doe
v.
Helen Reddy and her daughter
Terry Porter
<pan.2001.11.05....@mindspring.com> dashed off:
>Has anyone tried to pin down this person before? How did this person
>react those times if it has happened?
Not that I've seen, I think you're the first.
schizam
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy schizam <schiz...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > mjcr wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <oebeut8fi2tq3qpa4...@4ax.com>, "racer_y"
> >> <rac...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> That is a new 100% confirmed identity for:
> >> , .,
>
> > Does Yttrx know about that?
>
> Know about which?
>
> -----.
>
> --
> Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and
> its filled with people who are filled with shit and the
> vermin of the world inhabit it
That flatfish is using '.' as an alias.
--
"My experience and some of my friends' experience is
that Linux is quite unreliable. Microsoft is really
unreliable but Linux is worse." - Ken Thompson
The Ghost In The Machine
<schiz...@yahoo.com>
wrote
on Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:53:43 GMT
<3BE74119...@yahoo.com>:
>schizam wrote:
>>
>> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>> >
[snip for brevity]
>> > But there is a world beyond Microsoft, Winvocates. Open your minds.
>>
>> Who says we don't see the world beyond MS?
>>
>> I myself have used:
>>
>> - PalmOS (won't touch a CE device)
>> - Linux (Mandrake 7.0, Redhat)
>> - SCO OpenServer (running on a Zenith)
>> - DOS
>> - DrDOS (long time ago)
>> - SunOS v.5.7
>> - VSE/ESA v1.5 (don't even ask)
>> - Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 (haven't tried XP yet)
>
>I'm sorry, I also have used:
>
>- OpenVMS (I don't know how I forgot about that one, I use it often
>enough)
It may depend on your definition of "best". Windows 9x had some
interesting imagery, and the consistent graphical presentation
(I can't say the user interface) may attract some people.
One of the perceived (not actual) problems with Linux is the
fact that there are so many GUIs to choose from, from the
very klunky old Athena widgets to the gussied up Xaw3d (another
variant thereof) to Motif and its brother Lesstif, to the
modern GTK and QT and the less than impressive but still useful
XForms (I have to fight with it on LyX, but at least it's
somewhat amenable :-) ).
But this isn't a problem, any more than it's a problem that
a crank-type pencil sharpener and a TV remote have different
"interfaces".
This may be fixed in time, but even then it's only an issue
visually. How stable is Windows 98? My Linux system has been
up for nearly four months.
[.sigsnip]
--
ew...@aimnet.com -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 117d:20h:24m actually running Linux.
I am, you are, he, she, and it is, but they're not.
Mark Kent
>On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 13:05:31 +1100, tjpo...@gronk.porter.net (Terry
>Porter) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 06 Nov 2001 01:20:44 GMT, rac...@hotmail.com in article
>>
>>>That will remain to be seen when all the Gary Stewart's you have
>>>slandered ring up their lawyers....
>>
>>He didn't slander them, he claimed *your* name was Gary Stewart.
>
>With absolutely no proof and in fact mentioned 20+names in a phone
>book in effect involving all of them.
>
Um, nothing to do with any other Gary Stewart at all, and I'm disappointed
that you'd attempt to involved any other Gary Stewarts with yourself on
this. The only Gary Steward mentioned here is you. Still, it's nice
to know your real name after all this time.