[News] Linux Makes You Not Stupid
Roy Schestowitz
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| His first experience of Linux was, as for many others, with Red Hat. He heard
| that Linux would give him the ability to actually write programs. "I ended up
| installing this thing called Red Hat 5.1 on my computer in a 'massive' 300mb
| partition."
|
| Precocious? That seems like an understatement. When he started high school,
| his year eight mathematics teacher told him that there was nothing she could
| teach him that year. She knew that he was interested in computers and gave
| him permission to help the school network administrator while mathematics was
| taught in the classroom.
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http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15824/1090/
Related:
Windows users click on advert offering to infect PC for free
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| Are Linux and Mac users just more wary, more educated in security
| issues or less gullible?
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nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu
> Windows users click on advert offering to infect PC for free
<Quote>
Drive-By Download
Is your PC virus-free?
Get it infected here!
Which should be enough to stop all but the terminally dumb from
clicking upon it, [nevertheless...] an amazing 98 percent of those
stupid folk were running Windows.
</Quote>
Sounds like irrefutable proof that Windows makes you stupid.
Roy Schestowitz
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Person 2: "But I'm curious."
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Gordon
news:67b76a59-31d8-4534...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
You ought to see all the posts in the MS groups (and sometimes elsewhere)
about "how can I boot my PC direct to the desktop without using either a
username or password"! AND, all the answers telling them how to do it!
Windows doesn't just make you stupid, it makes you positively DANGEROUS!
DFS
> You ought to see all the posts in the MS groups (and sometimes
> elsewhere) about "how can I boot my PC direct to the desktop without
> using either a username or password"! AND, all the answers telling
> them how to do it! Windows doesn't just make you stupid, it makes you
> positively DANGEROUS!
Here's where you're told how to get root access to Linux:
http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm
Linonut
God, you're dense. Dense For Sure.
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Hadron
For the record : another reply making no relevance to the points shown
to him. M'Lud evidence number 109034830940 in the case Common Sense
against Liarnut.
Roy Schestowitz
It's possible to do with Linux as well by the way. I doubt m/any people use
this feature though (auto-login). For things like FTP access, the password
needs to be re-entered every session for security reasons. At one point,
someone described this as a problem with Linux, i.e. Linux isn't insecure
enough (you know, like Windows).
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DFS
I don't understand, WDFL: are you mocking me and saying it's fine to be
shown how to get Linux root access without a username or password, but it's
stupid and DANGEROUS! when someone tells you how to do it in Windows?
One thing you can count on about cola idiots (especially
Gordo^H^H^H^H^H^HSchmucko, sometimes Linonut): they're fairly ignorant.
They truly believe the silly notion that Linux is secure.
"I forgot the root password" http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm
"Ubuntu Forgot Username & Password"
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=235698
"How To Enable Automatic Login On Linux"
http://www.linfo.org/automatic_login.html
"recover Linux root password"
http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-11186-0.html?forumID=36&threadID=189101&messageID=1943318
"Login automatically to Ubuntu"
http://www.inspectmygadget.com/2007/08/27/img-quickie-login-automatically-to-ubuntu/
Gordon
news:17145969....@schestowitz.com...
> ____/ Gordon on Tuesday 18 December 2007 14:18 : \____
>
>> <nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
>> news:67b76a59-31d8-4534...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Windows users click on advert offering to infect PC for free
>>>
>>> <Quote>
>>> Drive-By Download
>>> Is your PC virus-free?
>>> Get it infected here!
>>>
>>> Which should be enough to stop all but the terminally dumb from
>>> clicking upon it, [nevertheless...] an amazing 98 percent of those
>>> stupid folk were running Windows.
>>> </Quote>
>>>
>>> Sounds like irrefutable proof that Windows makes you stupid.
>>
>>
>> You ought to see all the posts in the MS groups (and sometimes elsewhere)
>> about "how can I boot my PC direct to the desktop without using either a
>> username or password"! AND, all the answers telling them how to do it!
>> Windows doesn't just make you stupid, it makes you positively DANGEROUS!
>
> It's possible to do with Linux as well by the way. I doubt m/any people
> use
> this feature though (auto-login). For things like FTP access, the password
> needs to be re-entered every session for security reasons. At one point,
> someone described this as a problem with Linux, i.e. Linux isn't insecure
> enough (you know, like Windows).
>
but it is actually possible to create User accounts in Windows with NO
PASSWORD at ALL!
AFAIK that's not possible in Linux.
Johan Lindquist
Gordon was all like, "Dude,
> but it is actually possible to create User accounts in Windows with
> NO PASSWORD at ALL! AFAIK that's not possible in Linux.
I think you'll find that most things are possible in Linux. Some of
the really stupid ones generally just take alittle effort.
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Linonut
> Linonut wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's where you're told how to get root access to Linux:
>>>
>>> http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm
>>
>> God, you're dense. Dense For Sure.
>
> I don't understand, WDFL: are you mocking me and saying it's fine to be
> shown how to get Linux root access without a username or password, but it's
> stupid and DANGEROUS! when someone tells you how to do it in Windows?
Exactly.
> One thing you can count on about cola idiots (especially
> Gordo^H^H^H^H^H^HSchmucko, sometimes Linonut): they're fairly ignorant.
> They truly believe the silly notion that Linux is secure.
It is not a silly notion.
> "I forgot the root password" http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm
>
> "Ubuntu Forgot Username & Password"
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=235698
>
> "How To Enable Automatic Login On Linux"
> http://www.linfo.org/automatic_login.html
>
> "recover Linux root password"
> http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-11186-0.html?forumID=36&threadID=189101&messageID=1943318
>
> "Login automatically to Ubuntu"
> http://www.inspectmygadget.com/2007/08/27/img-quickie-login-automatically-to-ubuntu/
Give it up.
Come back when you learn the difference between local access and remote
access.
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Linonut
> One thing you can count on about cola idiots (especially
> Gordo^H^H^H^H^H^HSchmucko, sometimes Linonut): they're fairly ignorant.
> They truly believe the silly notion that Linux is secure.
>
> "I forgot the root password" http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm
One more thing. Although I dinged you reflexively for, as I thought,
bringing up the old dumb sudo arguments, I did run across something
interesting at roughlydrafted.com, that does indicate there is a real
problem. Not with Linux, but with Windows users. Not all of them, to
be sure.
The Unswitchables.
I personally know of an acquaintance who is intelligent and
technically knowledgeable, and who a few years ago told me rather
than buying himself a new Windows PC, he had made the switch and
bought himself a PowerMac.
(Then follows some notes about how this user kept asking about
"missing" Windows concepts.)
A week later he called me in a panic, and said that his Mac was
continually crashing ... . I tried to explain that what he had done
is mess up the operating system, and that there was a good reason for
not logging in as ROOT and customizing the System files. But, he
insisted that he wanted to continue with this tinkering.
A few weeks later he told me that he became so frustrated with not
being able to use the Mac as he was accustomed to, that he sold it
and bought himself a Windows PC again.
This may sound unbelievable, but all of this really happened and I
just shook my head and accepted it as the way some Windows users are
and forever will be.
Confucius say, Idiot who mess with root soon kill tree. Hell, I've done
it.
That being said, it does not therefore imply that Linux is as insecure
as Windows. By any stretch.
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nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu
>
> That being said, it does not therefore imply that Linux is as insecure
> as Windows. By any stretch.
>
> --
> Tux rox!
My personal opinion is that if Linux is ever used widely enough that
stupid users like those in the story start to use it, then they will
get their systems hijacked, too. I hasten to add that I am not
repeating the usual troll garbage that Windows has viruses only
because of its market share. I just mean that if a user is stupid
enough, and some are, then you can do anything. (How many steps can a
stupid user be tricked into following? 1,2, 20? sudo -s, enter root
password, install keylogger? We could make a graph with number of
steps on one axis, stupidity on another... OTOH if the user is that
stupid, he/she may not know what a root password is...)
Hadron
That's what I have been saying for ages. One of my favorite pieces of
misinformation is that you MUST chmod something to exec it. Wrong.
"sh ./myscript.sh" works just as well.
You can be sure that there are side affects appearing soon in various
how tos and trusted scripts which nOObs will need to get their Linux
desktop going properly.
DFS
> * DFS fired off this tart reply:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here's where you're told how to get root access to Linux:
>>>>
>>>> http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm
>>>
>>> God, you're dense. Dense For Sure.
>>
>> I don't understand, WDFL: are you mocking me and saying it's fine to
>> be shown how to get Linux root access without a username or
>> password, but it's stupid and DANGEROUS! when someone tells you how
>> to do it in Windows?
>
> Exactly.
Now you'll explain why, right?
>> One thing you can count on about cola idiots (especially
>> Gordo^H^H^H^H^H^HSchmucko, sometimes Linonut): they're fairly
>> ignorant. They truly believe the silly notion that Linux is secure.
>
> It is not a silly notion.
All 5 examples below to the contrary.
>> "I forgot the root password"
>> http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm
>>
>> "Ubuntu Forgot Username & Password"
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=235698
>>
>> "How To Enable Automatic Login On Linux"
>> http://www.linfo.org/automatic_login.html
>>
>> "recover Linux root password"
>> http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-11186-0.html?forumID=36&threadID=189101&messageID=1943318
>>
>> "Login automatically to Ubuntu"
>> http://www.inspectmygadget.com/2007/08/27/img-quickie-login-automatically-to-ubuntu/
>
> Give it up.
Not until cola idiots like you and Gordo learn your place.
> Come back when you learn the difference between local access and
> remote access.
Why? Gordo didn't say anything about remote access.
Face it: DFS once again bested cola goons. Schmucko was twirling on his
butt-plug and approaching nirvana - with you egging him on - when someone
showed someone else how to auto-login to Windows. Then his butt-plug dried
up and burned his ass when I showed how to do the same on Linux.
DFS
> but it is actually possible to create User accounts in Windows with NO
> PASSWORD at ALL!
OK, but...
> AFAIK that's not possible in Linux.
...I see you left yourself an out, Gordo, so this wrongheaded claim doesn't
technically add to your AWMOW tally ("Advocate" Who's Most Often Wrong). To
see that tally, multiply the number of posts you've made to cola by 0.99999.
When you're done with that exercise, look into
http://www.google.com/search?q=etc/shadow+empty+passwords [1]
Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to 'root'
when you install?!?!?!?!
Go Linux! Go Gordon!
[1] If you read the results of that search, and if you're a bright cola
idiot, you'll try to argue an 'empty' password isn't the same as no
password.
Linonut
>> That being said, it does not therefore imply that Linux is as insecure
>> as Windows. By any stretch.
>
> My personal opinion is that if Linux is ever used widely enough that
> stupid users like those in the story start to use it, then they will
> get their systems hijacked, too. I hasten to add that I am not
> repeating the usual troll garbage that Windows has viruses only
> because of its market share. I just mean that if a user is stupid
> enough, and some are, then you can do anything.
Some are. That is the key. And it's the ones who are stupid, but still
smart enough, that are the danger.
Most people will leave the settings as they are.
> (How many steps can a
> stupid user be tricked into following? 1,2, 20? sudo -s, enter root
> password, install keylogger? We could make a graph with number of
> steps on one axis, stupidity on another... OTOH if the user is that
> stupid, he/she may not know what a root password is...)
On the other hand, a user smart enough to do that would also likely be
smart enough to know the results.
That's the big difference between Linux and Windows. Windows started
from the "dumbed down" perspective. Linux did not.
That's probably part of the reason some people get too nervous to use
Linux.
Heck, my daughter comes home for Xmas, and says "You don't have
wireless?" Of course we do, I just hide the SSID and turn on WPA
encryption, here, I'll set it up for you. "No, I'm afraid I'll lose my
school settings." Yeesh!
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Tux rox!
Linonut
> Linonut wrote:
>> * DFS fired off this tart reply:
>>
>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's where you're told how to get root access to Linux:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://panuganty.tripod.com/debiantips/boot.htm
>>>>
>>>> God, you're dense. Dense For Sure.
>>>
>>> I don't understand, WDFL: are you mocking me and saying it's fine to
>>> be shown how to get Linux root access without a username or
>>> password, but it's stupid and DANGEROUS! when someone tells you how
>>> to do it in Windows?
>>
>> Exactly.
>
> Now you'll explain why, right?
No.
> Face it: DFS once again bested cola goons. Schmucko was twirling on his
> butt-plug and approaching nirvana - with you egging him on - when someone
> showed someone else how to auto-login to Windows. Then his butt-plug dried
> up and burned his ass when I showed how to do the same on Linux.
We've gone through this parade before, and /you/ and /Hadron/ got
bested.
Why bring up the bile all over again?
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Tux rox!
Linonut
> Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to 'root'
> when you install?!?!?!?!
>
> Go Linux! Go Gordon!
Idiot.
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Tux rox!
DFS
Quit running away!
chrisv
>> Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to 'root'
>> when you install?!?!?!?!
>>
>> Go Linux! Go Gordon!
>
>Idiot.
You're not going to mention that he's a lying POS?
Linonut
You sure find some of the lamest crap to crow about, that is all.
EXTREE! EXTREE! READ ALL ABOUT IT!
LINUX LIVE CDS HAVE DEFAULT ROOT PASSWORDS!
Thank you Captain Obvious.
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Tux rox!
nes...@wigner.berkeley.edu
> * ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu fired off this tart reply:
>
> >> That being said, it does not therefore imply that Linux is as insecure
> >> as Windows. By any stretch.
>
> > My personal opinion is that if Linux is ever used widely enough that
> > stupid users like those in the story start to use it, then they will
> > get their systems hijacked, too. I hasten to add that I am not
> > repeating the usual troll garbage that Windows has viruses only
> > because of its market share. I just mean that if a user is stupid
> > enough, and some are, then you can do anything.
>
> Some are. That is the key. And it's the ones who are stupid, but still
> smart enough, that are the danger.
>
> Most people will leave the settings as they are.
>
> > (How many steps can a
> > stupid user be tricked into following? 1,2, 20? sudo -s, enter root
> > password, install keylogger? We could make a graph with number of
> > steps on one axis, stupidity on another... OTOH if the user is that
> > stupid, he/she may not know what a root password is...)
>
> On the other hand, a user smart enough to do that would also likely be
> smart enough to know the results.
>
> That's the big difference between Linux and Windows. Windows started
> from the "dumbed down" perspective. Linux did not.
Well "dumbed down perspective" is true but it doesn't convey the whole
mindset that put marketing and strangling competition ahead of
everything else. Hence the security swiss cheese that is Windows.
chrisv
Did you miss the blatant LIE about "when you install"?
Jerry McBride
> Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to
> 'root' when you install?!?!?!?!
>
And how many millions of windows boxes don't even HAVE a password?
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AZ Nomad
>Gordon wrote:
>> but it is actually possible to create User accounts in Windows with NO
>> PASSWORD at ALL!
Worse than that. 99% of all consumer windows boxes have no administrator
account. To break into a windows box: hit reset, hit F8 upon startup and
go to safe mode. Go into the administrator account and create a new
administrator user.
>OK, but...
...
>Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to 'root'
>when you install?!?!?!?!
So fucking what? What are you going to do? Modify system files on the CD?
chrisv
>DumFSck wrote:
>>
>>Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to 'root'
>>when you install?!?!?!?!
>
>So fucking what? What are you going to do? Modify system files on the CD?
A while ago, Dumfsck actually wrote that he "assumed" that a liveCD's
root password of "root" was kept during the install to harddrive -
possibly the most ridiculous thing that I've read in my years on
usenet.
Obviously, he is known for repeating the same lies over and over.
AZ Nomad
What is amazing is that he'll whine about the root password being insecure
on a CD distribution, but has no problem with the vast majority of windows
instalations having no password at all set on the administrator account.
I love the look of disbelief on the owner's face when I add accounts to a windows box
and the owner thought he had passwords set on all the accounts. What
genius thought it a good idea to hide the administrator account?
William Poaster
> AZ Nomad wrote:
>
>>DumFSck wrote:
>>>
>>>Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to 'root'
>>>when you install?!?!?!?!
>>
>>So fucking what? What are you going to do? Modify system files on the CD?
>
> A while ago, Dumfsck actually wrote that he "assumed" that a liveCD's
> root password of "root" was kept during the install to harddrive -
> possibly the most ridiculous thing that I've read in my years on
> usenet.
He *did*? What a bloody idiot he is.
> Obviously, he is known for repeating the same lies over and over.
Nothing better to do, I suppose.
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Linonut
No. I thought it was just a loose way of saying "booting up with the
CD".
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Tux rox!
Sinister Midget
What for? Isn't it obvious enough?
Telling him he's dumb, besides being pointless in and of itself, would
normally require an explanation of *why* he's dumb in this particular
incident. Next time he says something stupid, he'd avoid the exact same
pitfall.
I'd rather leave him ignorant so he will either pull the same
boneheaded boner again, or try pulling another one just like it. That
way he can give himself away as a retard without anybody having to
bother pointing it out.
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DFS
> * DFS fired off this tart reply:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>> * DFS fired off this tart reply:
>>>
>>>> Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password
>>>> to 'root' when you install?!?!?!?!
>>>>
>>>> Go Linux! Go Gordon!
>>>
>>> Idiot.
>>
>> Quit running away!
>
> You sure find some of the lamest crap to crow about, that is all.
ffs, has there ever been a non-lame cola topic?
> EXTREE! EXTREE! READ ALL ABOUT IT!
> LINUX LIVE CDS HAVE DEFAULT ROOT PASSWORDS!
AND THE PASSWORD IS 'root'!
> Thank you Captain Obvious.
If it was Windows 83 cola lusers would be snickering.
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Also, didja know some live Linux distros default the root password to
>> 'root' when you install?!?!?!?!
>
> And how many millions of windows boxes don't even HAVE a password?
I have no idea. But I do know this: Gordo was wrong as usual.
Linonut
It's a Live CD, fer cripesake.
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Tattoo Vampire
> Idiot.
Squared.
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Tattoo Vampire
> AND THE PASSWORD IS 'root'!
Please get laid, you sad bastard. Soon.
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Rick
> DFS wrote:
>
>> AND THE PASSWORD IS 'root'!
>
> Please get laid, you sad bastard. Soon.
Why would you do that to some unsuspecting woman?
--
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Sinister Midget
> * DFS fired off this tart reply:
>> If it was Windows 83 cola lusers would be snickering.
>
> It's a Live CD, fer cripesake.
He'll never understand. Windross has no such concept.
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Mark Dodel
<fardb...@gmail.com> wrote:
-> On 2007-12-21, Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> claimed:
-> > * DFS fired off this tart reply:
->
-> >> If it was Windows 83 cola lusers would be snickering.
-> >
-> > It's a Live CD, fer cripesake.
->
-> He'll never understand. Windross has no such concept.
->
And windoze users have no concept, or else they wouldn't be using that
pos.
Mark
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DFS
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:10:14 UTC, Sinister Midget
> <fardb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> -> On 2007-12-21, Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> claimed:
> -> > * DFS fired off this tart reply:
> ->
> -> >> If it was Windows 83 cola lusers would be snickering.
> -> >
> -> > It's a Live CD, fer cripesake.
> ->
> -> He'll never understand. Windross has no such concept.
> ->
>
> And windoze users have no concept, or else they wouldn't be using that
> pos.
uh duh. My name is Gidget Dodel. uh duh.
http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/03/burn-windows-live-cd.html
chrisv
>chrisv wrote:
>>
>> A while ago, Dumfsck actually wrote that he "assumed" that a liveCD's
>> root password of "root" was kept during the install to harddrive -
>> possibly the most ridiculous thing that I've read in my years on
>> usenet.
>
>He *did*? What a bloody idiot he is.
Yep, he did. A classic example of a trolling fsckwit attacking Linux
out of pure ignorance.
He even tried to make a "advocates are hypocrites" point out of it,
saying "But of course you don't mention things like this" regarding
the above idiocy.
chrisv
>> Did you miss the blatant LIE about "when you install"?
>
>No. I thought it was just a loose way of saying "booting up with the
>CD".
I've no doubt that it was intentionally phrased "loosely", to make it
sound bad, which, of course, it is not.
Why everyone doesn't plonk the POS, I'll never understand...
Hadron
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:10:14 UTC, Sinister Midget
> <fardb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> -> On 2007-12-21, Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> claimed:
> -> > * DFS fired off this tart reply:
> ->
> -> >> If it was Windows 83 cola lusers would be snickering.
> -> >
> -> > It's a Live CD, fer cripesake.
> ->
> -> He'll never understand. Windross has no such concept.
> ->
>
> And windoze users have no concept, or else they wouldn't be using that
> pos.
>
> Mark
The sooner that morons like you realise that users don't give a f*ck
about the OS, only the SW that the OS runs then the sooner you will all
stop wasting your time stroking each other off in COLA and actaTully head
out and help improve the poorer OSS projects.
Peter Köhlmann
So you are telling us that most OSS software is crappy, most windows
software is immaculate ands shiny, users don't give a rats ass what OS they
use, *and* that *you* are a linux user
Yes. That certainly makes sense. If you are a liar
--
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It could be worse, but it'll take time.
Mark Dodel
-> Mark Dodel wrote:
-> > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:10:14 UTC, Sinister Midget
-> > <fardb...@gmail.com> wrote:
-> >
-> > -> On 2007-12-21, Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> claimed:
-> > -> > * DFS fired off this tart reply:
-> > ->
-> > -> >> If it was Windows 83 cola lusers would be snickering.
-> > -> >
-> > -> > It's a Live CD, fer cripesake.
-> > ->
-> > -> He'll never understand. Windross has no such concept.
-> > ->
-> >
-> > And windoze users have no concept, or else they wouldn't be using that
-> > pos.
->
-> uh duh. My name is Gidget Dodel. uh duh.
->
-> http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/03/burn-windows-live-cd.html
->
Are all windoze trolls mental defects or just the ones in COLA? You
are an exceptionally stupid troll. I didn't make the comment about
dipwads like you not comprehending what a live CD was. That was SM.
I was just pointing out the fact that you are all morons. Now go back
to your drool cup.
Hadron
What made you so clever Mark? Was it the fact that both your parents
were Brain Surgeons or the fact you were bitten by a radioactive spider
that jumped off a recently discovered meteorite from the Galaxy Neuron?
Mark Dodel
wrote:
-> "Mark Dodel" <madode...@ptd.net> writes:
->
-> > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:10:14 UTC, Sinister Midget
-> > <fardb...@gmail.com> wrote:
-> >
-> > -> On 2007-12-21, Linonut <lin...@bollsouth.nut> claimed:
-> > -> > * DFS fired off this tart reply:
-> > ->
-> > -> >> If it was Windows 83 cola lusers would be snickering.
-> > -> >
-> > -> > It's a Live CD, fer cripesake.
-> > ->
-> > -> He'll never understand. Windross has no such concept.
-> > ->
-> >
-> > And windoze users have no concept, or else they wouldn't be using that
-> > pos.
-> >
-> > Mark
->
-> The sooner that morons like you realise that users don't give a f*ck
-> about the OS, only the SW that the OS runs then the sooner you will all
-> stop wasting your time stroking each other off in COLA and actaTully head
-> out and help improve the poorer OSS projects.
But alas I am not the moron here. That would be you and the other
mental deficient windoze trolls spewing your drool and lies all over.
Point of fact is I can spell and all you can do is look stupid. Maybe
Santa will bring you a bat to club yourself over the head with, so you
can finally enjoy that WOW feeling.
SW
>
> Are
Only assholes change subject lines.
Gordon
news:cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-8BGt3TCQTQtb@localhost...
>
> But alas I am not the moron here.
Oh yes you are. You are either using a newsreader that is incapable of
"reply to thread" or you are DELIBERATELY not replying to the thread. Either
way YOU are the moron for not following Usenet Etiquette....
William Poaster
And is *Quack* doing anything to "help improve the poorer OSS projects"? Or is
the wintroll just whining, as usual.
Mark Dodel
-> Mark Dodel wrote:
-> >
-> > Are
->
-> Only assholes change subject lines.
What changed subject line? The subject is the same. I prepended a
tag so people would know I was responding to a FUDing troll. I guess
your pos windoze reader can't handle that. Its a shame. Mine handles
it just fine. So I guess you are the asshole for using windoze. Or
perhaps you are just too stupid to know how to properly configure your
news reader.
Mark Dodel
<gbpl...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
-> "Mark Dodel" <madode...@ptd.net> wrote in message
-> news:cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-8BGt3TCQTQtb@localhost...
-> >
-> > But alas I am not the moron here.
->
-> Oh yes you are. You are either using a newsreader that is incapable of
-> "reply to thread" or you are DELIBERATELY not replying to the thread. Either
-> way YOU are the moron for not following Usenet Etiquette....
->
Oh no I am not. My news reader is correct. The thread is correctly
displayed here, regardless of the subject line. Yours must just be
configured inproperly, but then since you use windoze its expected to
be. Get a real news reader and you won't have problems. Or are you
too stupid to use anything but what comes with your little pc?
Gordon
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:35:47 UTC, "Gordon"
> <gbpl...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> -> "Mark Dodel" <madode...@ptd.net> wrote in message
> -> news:cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-8BGt3TCQTQtb@localhost...
> -> >
> -> > But alas I am not the moron here.
> ->
> -> Oh yes you are. You are either using a newsreader that is incapable of
> -> "reply to thread" or you are DELIBERATELY not replying to the thread.
> Either
> -> way YOU are the moron for not following Usenet Etiquette....
> ->
>
> Oh no I am not. My news reader is correct. The thread is correctly
> displayed here, regardless of the subject line. Yours must just be
> configured inproperly, but then since you use windoze its expected to
> be. Get a real news reader and you won't have problems. Or are you
> too stupid to use anything but what comes with your little pc?
>
I have no trouble with other threads - just yours - I'll look at it in Knode
if you prefer and I bet I get the same result....
Peter Köhlmann
Well, to save you the effort of installing and configuring linux I can
assure you that KNode works just fine. It has no problems at all with the
thread
--
Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. The answer is NO
William Poaster
Yes, works just fine here too.
Mark Dodel
<gbpl...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
-> "Mark Dodel" <madode...@ptd.net> wrote in message
-> news:cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-D3xYibkLqxLL@localhost...
-> > On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:35:47 UTC, "Gordon"
-> > <gbpl...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
-> >
-> > -> "Mark Dodel" <madode...@ptd.net> wrote in message
-> > -> news:cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-8BGt3TCQTQtb@localhost...
-> > -> >
-> > -> > But alas I am not the moron here.
-> > ->
-> > -> Oh yes you are. You are either using a newsreader that is incapable of
-> > -> "reply to thread" or you are DELIBERATELY not replying to the thread.
-> > Either
-> > -> way YOU are the moron for not following Usenet Etiquette....
-> > ->
-> >
-> > Oh no I am not. My news reader is correct. The thread is correctly
-> > displayed here, regardless of the subject line. Yours must just be
-> > configured inproperly, but then since you use windoze its expected to
-> > be. Get a real news reader and you won't have problems. Or are you
-> > too stupid to use anything but what comes with your little pc?
-> >
->
-> I have no trouble with other threads - just yours - I'll look at it in Knode
-> if you prefer and I bet I get the same result....
->
tap...tap...tap... so what did you discover? I'm waiting for your
apology. :-)
SW
>
> I prepended a
> tag
You changed the subject line, Dildo. Be a good little OS/2 retard and fuck
off.
Mark Dodel
-> Mark Dodel wrote:
-> >
-> > I prepended a
-> > tag
->
->
-> You changed the subject line, Dildo. Be a good little OS/2 retard and fuck
-> off.
->
How did I know this was from a windoze dingbat?
"X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3244"
Are they all so retarded or just the microserf trolls that only post
in COLA?
DFS
> Are they all so retarded or just the microserf trolls that only post
> in COLA?
How was this year's WarpStock? Did you break the 2006 attendance record of
9?
This is rich: "The Warpstock Corporation Board of Directors accepts bids
from potential host cities in a competitive process." LMAO! Can LaQuinta
Inn motels compete in the bidding process? They have a 10x10 meeting room
in the back of the laundry.
I see you look like Santa Claus (before the diet). Well, at least you have
seasonal employment:
http://www.warpstock.org/mediagallery/media.php?aid=21&f=0&s=13&sort=0
Gordon
>
> How did I know this was from a windoze dingbat?
>
> "X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3244"
>
> Are they all so retarded or just the microserf trolls that only post
> in COLA?
And you're NOT retarded because you run an obsolete OS and discontinued
software?
Hadron
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:08:49 UTC, "SW" <s...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> -> Mark Dodel wrote:
> -> >
> -> > I prepended a
> -> > tag
> ->
> ->
> -> You changed the subject line, Dildo. Be a good little OS/2 retard and fuck
> -> off.
> ->
>
> How did I know this was from a windoze dingbat?
>
> "X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3244"
>
> Are they all so retarded or just the microserf trolls that only post
> in COLA?
Says a man who still uses a half arsed OS/2 news reader?
It was fine back in 1994, but this 2007.
Hadron
Jesus, they are still having OS/2 conventions? How many people were
there? 6?
DFS
> * chrisv fired off this tart reply:
>> Did you miss the blatant LIE about "when you install"?
It wasn't a lie. It *might* be a mistake.
For sure the root password was 'root' (Go Linux security!), and there's no
reason to think it won't go ahead and create the root account with 'root'
when you install from the LiveCD.
> No. I thought it was just a loose way of saying "booting up with the
> CD".
No, I did mean it creates the root account with password 'root' when you
install from the LiveCD. But I could be wrong; I went back to my earlier
posts and I can't find where I actually did the install.
Rick
So, your position is that if a decade old tool works for someone, he
should through it away?
--
Rick
Hadron
Erm, no. But don't call someone else a retard for using SW which
works for *them*.
Mark Dodel
wrote:
-> Rick <no...@nomail.com> writes:
->
-> > On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:26:35 +0100, Hadron wrote:
-> >
-> >> "Mark Dodel" <madode...@ptd.net> writes:
-> >>
-> >>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:08:49 UTC, "SW" <s...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
-> >>>
-> >>> -> Mark Dodel wrote:
-> >>> -> >
-> >>> -> > I prepended a
-> >>> -> > tag
-> >>> ->
-> >>> ->
-> >>> -> You changed the subject line, Dildo. Be a good little OS/2 retard
-> >>> and fuck -> off.
-> >>> ->
-> >>>
-> >>> How did I know this was from a windoze dingbat?
-> >>>
-> >>> "X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3244"
-> >>>
-> >>> Are they all so retarded or just the microserf trolls that only post in
-> >>> COLA?
-> >>
-> >> Says a man who still uses a half arsed OS/2 news reader?
-> >>
-> >> It was fine back in 1994, but this 2007.
-> >
-> > So, your position is that if a decade old tool works for someone, he
-> > should through it away?
->
-> Erm, no. But don't call someone else a retard for using SW which
-> works for *them*.
Shit for brains, the point is the retard's state of the fart news
reader doesn't work right. But you trolls all seem to miss the
obvious. Mine works fine and despite your FUDing to the opposite, its
still developed, supported and actually meets standards. Better check
your critical updates to see if you are missing an important security
fix for your brain. All you windoze trolls are such pathetic liars.
Mark Dodel
wrote:
-> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
->
-> > Mark Dodel wrote:
-> >
-> >> Are they all so retarded or just the microserf trolls that only post
-> >> in COLA?
-> >
-> >
-> > How was this year's WarpStock? Did you break the 2006 attendance record of
-> > 9?
-> >
-> > This is rich: "The Warpstock Corporation Board of Directors accepts bids
-> > from potential host cities in a competitive process." LMAO! Can LaQuinta
-> > Inn motels compete in the bidding process? They have a 10x10 meeting room
-> > in the back of the laundry.
-> >
-> > I see you look like Santa Claus (before the diet). Well, at least you have
-> > seasonal employment:
-> > http://www.warpstock.org/mediagallery/media.php?aid=21&f=0&s=13&sort=0
->
-> Jesus, they are still having OS/2 conventions? How many people were
-> there? 6?
Quite a few. And they were all real, as opposed to the fake trolls
that microskank has to pay to attack competitors with pure FUD.
Gordon
> Shit for brains, the point is the retard's state of the fart news
> reader doesn't work right. But you trolls all seem to miss the
> obvious. Mine works fine and despite your FUDing to the opposite, its
> still developed,
Umm no....
see this....or are you blissfully unaware?
http://www.tavi.co.uk/os2pages/oldsoft.html
Mark Dodel
-> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:26:35 +0100, Hadron wrote:
->
-> > "Mark Dodel" <madode...@ptd.net> writes:
-> >
-> >> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:08:49 UTC, "SW" <s...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
-> >>
-> >> -> Mark Dodel wrote:
-> >> -> >
-> >> -> > I prepended a
-> >> -> > tag
-> >> ->
-> >> ->
-> >> -> You changed the subject line, Dildo. Be a good little OS/2 retard
-> >> and fuck -> off.
-> >> ->
-> >>
-> >> How did I know this was from a windoze dingbat?
-> >>
-> >> "X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3244"
-> >>
-> >> Are they all so retarded or just the microserf trolls that only post in
-> >> COLA?
-> >
-> > Says a man who still uses a half arsed OS/2 news reader?
-> >
-> > It was fine back in 1994, but this 2007.
->
-> So, your position is that if a decade old tool works for someone, he
-> should through it away?
His position is whatever microshit tells him it is. Do you seriously
think these trolls have ever had a sentient thought?
My platform is actually eComStation, and its OS/2 base worked better
10 years ago as Warp4 then their bloated spyware infested, virus
generator does today. But they prefer to attack people then to admit
their own failings. Then again I guess they wouldn't be paid if they
didn't do their mindless job.
Mark Dodel
<gbpl...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
-> "Mark Dodel" <madode...@ptd.net> wrote in message
-> news:cLdq6jdb1N4Q-pn2-xzqdojMOj21l@localhost...
-> > Shit for brains, the point is the retard's state of the fart news
-> > reader doesn't work right. But you trolls all seem to miss the
-> > obvious. Mine works fine and despite your FUDing to the opposite, its
-> > still developed,
->
-> Umm no....
-> see this....or are you blissfully unaware?
-> http://www.tavi.co.uk/os2pages/oldsoft.html
->
Ancient news troll boy. The software was open sourced and continues
to be updated. But I guess you can't use Google well enough to find
that out. Look at the version listed on that page and look at the
version I'm using. Or is that not possible in your outhouse reader.
And the point remains that your newsreader is the one with problems.
Not mine. Or are you really that stupid to miss the point?
Don't you morons get tired of being shown what a bunch of stupid liars
you are?
Gordon
>
> Don't you morons get tired of being shown what a bunch of stupid liars
> you are?
>
Registered Linux User no 240308
OpenSuse 10.2
I rest my case.
Hadron
I don't talk "idiot dribble". Can you convert any of that into English?
Are you related to "7"? As a long time user and adovcate of OS/2 "in
its day" I have to say that there must be something wrong with you if
you are using it still to this day. Yes, nice, but dated and generally
poor application support. BTW, Your mates, the directors of Warpstock
need to take themselves a bit less seriously btw: I mean, who on earth
do they think they are posting this drivel for a group of about 10
people to rent a room in a motel?
http://www.warpstock.org/staticpages/index.php?page=bidproc
,----
| Step 1 – Opening of Bidding
|
| The Board of Directors will announce that bidding is open for a
| particular event. This announcement will contain a date by which groups
| wishing to submit bids must signal their intent to make a bid to host a
| Warpstock Event.
|
| Step 2 – Letter of Intent
|
| Teams wishing to bid on hosting a Warpstock Event must declare their
| intention to do so by a date set by the Board. This may be accomplished
| by sending electronic mail to the Board of Directors.
|
| This letter of intent should contain a list of the individuals involved,
| the city or area that the event would be held, and the suggested time of
| year for the event. The letter of intent may contain any additional
| information about the proposed bid that the team wishes to share. This
| letter does not need to be in great detail about the proposed event, but
| rather, a commitment from the group about entering into the bid process.
|
| A reply will be sent upon receipt of the initial information. If a reply
| is not received within 48 hours of submission, please contact any Board
| member directly to determine the notification status.
|
| Step 3 – Invitation to Submit a Bid
|
| Once an initial "intention" has been made, the Board will invite the
| group to submit an official bid. The Board will remain in close contact
| with the Teams throughout the remainder of the bid process. A Board
| member may be assigned as liaison to each Team. It is expected one
| person on the bid team will become the liaison to the Board during this
| time.
|
| The bid should contain the information outlined in the Bid Submission Outline.
|
| Step 4 – Bid Review
|
| As soon as all of the bids have been received, the Board will review all
| proposals and arrive at a decision as to the winning bid. The Board will
| base its decision upon the merits of the bids. The Board may also
| arrange a "virtual" meeting with the bid team to discuss specifics of
| the proposal. This meeting would be either by Internet Relay Chat or
| telephone conference call.
|
| Step 5 – Decision Announcement
|
| Once the Board has arrived at a decision, it will announce the winning
| Annual Event Team together with the location and date of the Warpstock
| Event.
`----
I mean, puh-leaze.
Hadron
Listen up beardy. I use Linux. I use OSS. I contribute to OSS. What do
YOU do OS/2 Warp boy?
>
> My platform is actually eComStation, and its OS/2 base worked better
> 10 years ago as Warp4 then their bloated spyware infested, virus
> generator does today. But they prefer to attack people then to admit
> their own failings. Then again I guess they wouldn't be paid if they
> didn't do their mindless job.
Who gets paid? What are you burbling on about? Did you get a taco stuck
in the back of your throat or what? You are making zero sense. If you
are what is termed a Linux or OSS advocate then god help us.
Hadron
Listen lardy, calm down. You'll have a heart attack. And please try to
speak English. Half of your incoherent and hate filled outbursts make no
sense at all. Take your meds, have a look at your circa 1996 OS/2
"OpenGL" Whale demo (in SW mode of course) in a window and wipe your
chin with a sheet from the IBM redbook. There's a good little
beard. Relax. Take it easy.
Hadron
This Mark Dildo guy has to be one of the worst "advocates" ever. He
makes no sense, seems to be a big blob of rage, and has no idea what
systems we are using. Maybe his "retro" news reader doesn't allow him to
see the headers properly.
Peter Köhlmann
So you have a crystal ball to view him?
> I use Linux.
No. You /claim/ to use linux.
> I use OSS.
Maybe. On windows, as you are not a linux user
> I contribute to OSS.
I highly doubt that, "true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "emacs
user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server
admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven"
and "time coordinator" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard, aka
Damian O'Leary
--
Microsoft's Product Strategy: "It compiles, let's ship it!"
Tattoo Vampire
> No, I did mean it creates the root account with password 'root' when you
> install from the LiveCD. But I could be wrong; I went back to my earlier
> posts and I can't find where I actually did the install.
You're an idiot, st00piD00FuS.
--
Regards,
[tv]
...Be true to your teeth and they won't be false to you.
Owner and proprietor, Trollus Amongus, LLC
William Poaster
> DFS wrote:
>
>> No, I did mean it creates the root account with password 'root' when you
>> install from the LiveCD.
JHC, he *did* say it! What an idiot!
>> But I could be wrong; I went back to my earlier
>> posts and I can't find where I actually did the install.
>
> You're an idiot, st00piD00FuS.
I wonder which mythical distribution he says he installed, that created a root
account with the password 'root'.
I've tried & installed all of the major live-cds at one time or another &, of
those that let you login as 'root', they all asked *you* to create a root
password.
Tattoo Vampire
> I wonder which mythical distribution he says he installed, that created a root
> account with the password 'root'.
> I've tried & installed all of the major live-cds at one time or another &, of
> those that let you login as 'root', they all asked *you* to create a root
> password.
Yep. Note how he qualifies his B.S. statements with excuses like "I think"
and "If I remember correctly". :-)
--
Regards,
[tv]
...... The trouble with apathy these days is nobody cares.
William Poaster
> William Poaster wrote:
>
>> I wonder which mythical distribution he says he installed, that created a
>> root account with the password 'root'.
>> I've tried & installed all of the major live-cds at one time or another &, of
>> those that let you login as 'root', they all asked *you* to create a root
>> password.
>
> Yep. Note how he qualifies his B.S. statements with excuses like "I think"
> and "If I remember correctly". :-)
The "troll shuffle". :-)
Sinister Midget
> On Sunday 23 Dec 2007 3:37 am, Tattoo Vampire wrote in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
>
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> No, I did mean it creates the root account with password 'root' when you
>>> install from the LiveCD.
>> You're an idiot, st00piD00FuS.
>
> I wonder which mythical distribution he says he installed, that created a root
> account with the password 'root'.
I think he means he "installed" it in his CD drive. That's about all of
the "installing" most Windummies ever do. After that, it either has a
wizard or it's toast.
--
Be different: conform.
chrisv
>DFS wrote:
>
>> No, I did mean it creates the root account with password 'root' when you
>> install from the LiveCD. But I could be wrong; I went back to my earlier
>> posts and I can't find where I actually did the install.
>
>You're an idiot, st00piD00FuS.
Holy shit. He repeated it, after being corrected, even. What an
ignorant fscking asshole. How could the twit even "show his face"
around here after embarrassing himself so?
Sinister Midget
Remember, we have The Funkybreath Book of Daphy Definishuns in this
group. So words mean something other than what they mean.
DuFuS can repeat things that are wrong over and over and over because
he's "mistaken", and he has "corrected" himself and "admitted" he was
wrong "several times" after being corrected. Just like Funky.
Doofy's like the old RCA dog, looking into the gramophone, puzzled
because he hears His Master's Voice® coming out of it. His master is
saying "It's just a mistake, DuFuS. Never treat it as anything else,
no matter how many times you get caught at it."
--
We now return you to... The Thread That Would Not Die.
chrisv
>Remember, we have The Funkybreath Book of Daphy Definishuns in this
>group. So words mean something other than what they mean.
Well, that's true. Suddenly, we are asked to believe things like
"design and support decisions are *PART* of developing the
manufacturing process."
Certainly, manufacturing and design come-together on major redesigns
that CAN have an effect on manufacturing processes. In addition,
designs may be regularly adjusted to facilitate manufacturing.
However, none of this make Erik's claim, quoted above, true. His
qualifier-free statement covers everything from major design efforts
to trivial component swaps.
We are not talking about a major change like going from ATX to BTX.
We are not talking about implementing a design/manufacturing-process
change to reduce costs. We are talking about bolting-in a certain HD
and motherboard (for Linux machines), which is business as usual for
Dell.
Erik's weaseling and FUD knows no bounds.
William Poaster
Take your pick:
1] He doesn't care about looking stupid.
2] He's a M$ shill & as he's being paid, he says anything they want.
3] He really *is* that stupid.
Hadron
> Sinister Midget wrote:
>
>>Remember, we have The Funkybreath Book of Daphy Definishuns in this
>>group. So words mean something other than what they mean.
>
> Well, that's true. Suddenly, we are asked to believe things like
> "design and support decisions are *PART* of developing the
> manufacturing process."
>
My god you are a lying moron. You got handed a new one in that
discussion - you clearly have NO iodea about the time required to get a
product to market for a company like DELL. It's not garageware any more
old chap. DELL customers dont want to RTFM to change their screen
resolutions.
You get more clueless as the new year approaches.
Mark Kent
> On Dec 20, 5:09 am, Linonut <lino...@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>> * ness...@wigner.berkeley.edu fired off this tart reply:
>>
>> >> That being said, it does not therefore imply that Linux is as insecure
>> >> as Windows. By any stretch.
>>
>> > My personal opinion is that if Linux is ever used widely enough that
>> > stupid users like those in the story start to use it, then they will
>> > get their systems hijacked, too. I hasten to add that I am not
>> > repeating the usual troll garbage that Windows has viruses only
>> > because of its market share. I just mean that if a user is stupid
>> > enough, and some are, then you can do anything.
>>
>> Some are. That is the key. And it's the ones who are stupid, but still
>> smart enough, that are the danger.
>>
>> Most people will leave the settings as they are.
>>
>> > (How many steps can a
>> > stupid user be tricked into following? 1,2, 20? sudo -s, enter root
>> > password, install keylogger? We could make a graph with number of
>> > steps on one axis, stupidity on another... OTOH if the user is that
>> > stupid, he/she may not know what a root password is...)
>>
>> On the other hand, a user smart enough to do that would also likely be
>> smart enough to know the results.
>>
>> That's the big difference between Linux and Windows. Windows started
>> from the "dumbed down" perspective. Linux did not.
>
> Well "dumbed down perspective" is true but it doesn't convey the whole
> mindset that put marketing and strangling competition ahead of
> everything else. Hence the security swiss cheese that is Windows.
... well, there are loads of swiss cheeses, but emmenthal is the one
with the holes in it...
I agree with you about the nature of users, though, and that they can
all be conned into doing something dumb if enough effort is put into it.
There are some routes around this, but none are really very nice, or
necessarily all that practical.
Distributions could be restricted to only allowing the installation of
packages from approved repositories, digitally signed. This is more or
less possible now, but the restriction of freedom flies in the face of
the GNU philosophy (and mine, for that matter).
Perhaps better would be a new generation of ultra-low-cost systems which
run from ROM of some kind, with some local storage for user settings and
data. To an extent, this is going back to commodore pet thinking, but
there were certainly some advantages to that approach.
Perhaps a combination of the two - ROM-based systems plus digital signing
and approved respositories for re-flashing and you'd have a reasonably
secure system.
Of course, the more you head to a monoculture, then the greater the risk
of a single, serious, exploit exposing millions of machines - this being
part of the Microsoft problem, and something which the free software
world has avoided by having multiple distributions and versions of
things.
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