Linux PDA
Kelsey Bjarnason
Preferences:
1) Quasi-real keyboard
2) Can actually edit documents (OpenOffice?) etc
3) Is user-updatable (i.e. can add packages, etc)
Price is less of a concern than functionality - to a point. As in $1000
is getting a tad ridiculous for a PDA.
LusoTec
I recommend a 10" netbook.
Advantages:
- keyboards that actually are usable;
- better screen;
- better CPU;
- more memory and storage;
- desktop/laptop software works;
- better battery life;
- better price (you can buy a good one for 300€)!
Disadvantages:
- size.
Regards.
Erik Funkenbusch
Why not go with a T-Mobile G1? Best of both worlds.
It does have some limitations though. It doesn't record video, doesn't
have the nifty "multi-touch" features of the iPhone, doesn't have stereo
bluetooth, but otherwise it's not bad..
7
For what its worth, I've been on the same quest for a few months.
The choices are the new Linux phones, the old PDAs and Asus EEE.
The thing that always came out on top is Asus EEE (901 Atom/Linux 20Gb SSD)
with Ubuntu because it has 8Hr up time, it is small enough to fit a big
pocket, it has wireless LAN and GPRS modems could be had if greater
distance was needed. VOIP with Twinkle get you a phone over the GPRS. It
can also play videos and MP3 collections during long journeys. (A $10 micro
radio transmitter for MP3 players can relay all that music to your car
radio.) It can edit anything and everything. It can do documentation. It
can process your photos and videos with the SD card while you are out in
the country. The 16Gb SD cards are only 20 pound
(<$40) and so you could carry a few of those with virtual machines to do
deep stuff by loading up the vitual machines preloaded with software of
choice. You can have Open Office presenation running in background to set
up all your reminders. And when you are winding down and relaxing, that
feature functions just like a digital photoframe!!
The other choices just don't cut it in terms of features.
Over to you if have better ideas!
Kelsey Bjarnason
Yeah, that's probably the best bet.
Kelsey Bjarnason
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:07:08 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
>> Any recommendations on a Linux-based PDA?
>>
>> Preferences:
>>
>> 1) Quasi-real keyboard
>> 2) Can actually edit documents (OpenOffice?) etc 3) Is user-updatable
>> (i.e. can add packages, etc)
>>
>> Price is less of a concern than functionality - to a point. As in
>> $1000 is getting a tad ridiculous for a PDA.
>
> Why not go with a T-Mobile G1? Best of both worlds.
Really? Somehow I just can't see entering more than a few lines of text
on that piddly-ass little keyboard.
Terry Porter
After buying a Nokia N770, a EeePC900 and a Acer Aspire one, I'd have to
go with the Acer because :
* the keyboard is nice and usable
* small size of the unit. you really cant make something like that much
smaller!
* beautiful touchpad
* 1024x600 briteview screen
* good battery life
* wifi
* affordable
* two SD card slots for extra memory
Downside:
Linpus Linux may drive a Linux expert like yourself nuts, especially
trying to alter it ?
Acer cashback is like pulling fingernails, here in OZ anyway
--
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Kelsey Bjarnason
How's the battery and keyboard compare to the Eee? 7's review on the Eee
suggested it might be a good consideration.
Hadron
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:07:08 -0800, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
>> Any recommendations on a Linux-based PDA?
>>
>> Preferences:
>>
>> 1) Quasi-real keyboard
>> 2) Can actually edit documents (OpenOffice?) etc 3) Is user-updatable
>> (i.e. can add packages, etc)
>>
>> Price is less of a concern than functionality - to a point. As in $1000
>> is getting a tad ridiculous for a PDA.
>
> After buying a Nokia N770, a EeePC900 and a Acer Aspire one, I'd have to
> go with the Acer because :
>
> * the keyboard is nice and usable
> * small size of the unit. you really cant make something like that much
> smaller!
> * beautiful touchpad
> * 1024x600 briteview screen
> * good battery life
> * wifi
> * affordable
> * two SD card slots for extra memory
>
> Downside:
> Linpus Linux may drive a Linux expert like yourself nuts, especially
> trying to alter it ?
Why? You mean its another hosed distro? No surprise there then.
Distro hell rears it's ugly head once more.
> Acer cashback is like pulling fingernails, here in OZ anyway
So why don't you boycott them? More hypocrisy? Sure seems like it.
Erik Funkenbusch
It's larger than any other mobile keyboard i've seen. You want a PDA but
you want a full size keyboard?
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
Kelsey's a picky bastard <grin>. It looks pretty sweet to me. The Engadget
review praises it in part, saying "Think of it this way: if it were running
Windows Mobile, it'd be a footnote in HTC's history."
I'd look more seriously into it if I weren't already tethered to Cingular
("Now part of the new AT&T!!!"). A $179 contract price is reasonable; the
$399 selling price might be reasonable, but not to my mind.
By the way, in looking at the Blackberry Bold, it's funny watching the
iPhone boyz and the Blackberry boyz going at it about their phones.
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High Plains Thumper
More ad hominem and anti-Linux verbage, attacking the poster and
Linux rather than address the issues being discussed.
http://tantek.pbwiki.com/TrollTaxonomy
[quote]
Ad hominem troll
Ad hominem troll at its simplest, will attack people personally,
rather than the merits of their statements or methodologies.
The ad hominem troll often has already lost a rational argument
about a topic, and thus its goal is to change the argument from
being about a topic, to being about the people opposed to the
troll (which could mean any/all rational person(s) in the
discussion), in the hopes of both discrediting people's ideas
indirectly by discrediting the people, and engendering an
emotional reaction from the people by attacking their egos /
self-image. The "getting a reaction out of" goal is common to
most troll types.
The simple ad hominem troll is easily detected and dealt with by
calling them on their ad hominem attacks.
However, often ad hominem troll will start its discourse with
seemingly reasonable commentary, perhaps an analogy etc. Using
rational tone, they may lull you into thinking that they are
rational in general and thus their entire message should be
considered rational. Once they have established such an
impression, then they will then descend into personal attacks
which may even sound reasonably worded, until you recognize them
for what they are, nothing more than personal attacks.
Example: thacker. thacker starts by ignoring the previous comment
(which itself was a rational challenge to thacker's earlier
statements), repeating himself (see the section below on
Repeating themselves), then moves onto an analogy. Afterwards he
continues with personal attacks, starting subtly worded, then
increasingly harsh:
* "some here, yourself included, will not see nor understand
the parallels"
* "Your noses are simply buried too deeply into the
proverbial bark."
* "Or you lack the courage, will, ability to step away and
ask the truly difficult questions. That is a shame."
[/quote]
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Terry Porter
My EeePC900 has a really small keyboard, it's useless for touch typing.
This is not a problem for me, as I don't touch type. I'm a 20WPM two
finger typer.
The 10" EeePC has a much better keyboard as the whole thing is a lot
bigger than mine. Mine is almost exactly the same size as the original
700 series EeePC, but my screen is larger wit a res of 1024x600.
The batteries are quite different, both small, but the Acer battery is
*** tiny ***. About the size of a medium size round texta and half as
long again, and weighs only 6 Oz!. It's a really nice design I think.
My EeePC is slightly smaller than the Acer, but the Acer just feels small
and doesn't have the EeePC 'toy' look to it.
The Acer is a beautiful unit, and Acer have done a good styling job, many
would say above average for Acer.
The EeePC900 is well designed, I think it's more solid than the Acer, but
it just looks like a toy, even tho nothing could be further from the
truth. I use it with an aftermarket 10.4AH battery, it's very large and
heavy, compared to the standard 4AH EeePC900 battery.
You can see in this pic :-
http://wifi.homelinux.com/docuwiki/lib/exe/detail.php?
id=eeepc900_external_rear_antenna_connector_mod&cache=cache&media=eeepc_and_sstenna.jpg
I recommend that you actually check out the real world units, and play
with the keyboards etc, before buying, if at all possible.
Ian Hilliard
I'm running Ubuntu on an MSI Wind U100 and it is a close to the perfect
travel computer that I have come across to date. In the office, I hook it
up to a 22" screen/keyboard/mouse. It is more than powerful enough to do
word process, spread sheets, presentations, planning (freemind), project
planning (planner) and programming (Sun Studio 12). The inbuilt camera is
good for conferencing and calling home to talk to the family.
The existing wireless card didn't like some networks so I have replaced it
with an Intel PCIe wireless card.
I've put a bigger hard drive (320GB) more memory into it as I also use it
for graphic processing (camera --> Gimp --> presentation). It is a little
slow, but quite usable.
Ian
DFS
> I'm running Ubuntu on an MSI Wind U100 and it is a close to the
> perfect travel computer that I have come across to date. In the
> office, I hook it up to a 22" screen/keyboard/mouse. It is more than
> powerful enough to do word process, spread sheets, presentations,
> planning (freemind), project planning (planner) and programming (Sun
> Studio 12). The inbuilt camera is good for conferencing and calling
> home to talk to the family.
>
> The existing wireless card didn't like some networks so I have
> replaced it with an Intel PCIe wireless card.
>
> I've put a bigger hard drive (320GB) more memory into it as I also
> use it for graphic processing (camera --> Gimp --> presentation). It
> is a little slow, but quite usable.
Your post is incomplete; it's missing the requisite stupid cola lie about
Windows\Vista on the U100.
Rex Ballard
> Any recommendations on a Linux-based PDA?
If you really want a PDA the Sharp Zaurus was pretty good in it's
time.
These days, the ASUS EEE and the Acer Aspire One are probably more
practical, and they are only about $300-$350. Since they have fully
functional USB ports, you can also add a USB cellular modem to get
internet access where there is no WiFi.
> Preferences:
> 1) Quasi-real keyboard
The Sub-Notebooks are very close to real keyboards, but it does take a
bit of practice to get them fully functional.
> 2) Can actually edit documents (OpenOffice?) etc
Open Office on both.
> 3) Is user-updatable (i.e. can add packages, etc)
You can even install a different version of Linux if you like.
> Price is less of a concern than functionality - to a point. As in $1000
> is getting a tad ridiculous for a PDA.
Around $300 to $350.
Down-side. It's a bit too big for a coat pocket, but fits nicely in a
book bag or purse.
Also supports Video monitors. External USB keyboards, and external
hard drives.
Ian Hilliard
How about the prerequisite warning that Windows should never be used on an
unprotected network? Even with a virus scanner, firewall and spyware
scanner, Windows boxes still end up getting some nasty piece of malware,
which requires a total reinstallation.
Windows is a poor option for a mobile companion intended for use far away
from the protection of the corporate network.
Ian
Mark Kent
The N810 is worth a look, as it has a built-in keyboard, gnumeric works
well on my N800 and N770, and there is a port of abiword, although I
don't know how stable.
If you want to play a little, you could look at this:
http://www.maxasia.net/blog/pimp-your-n810-with-debian/
Which shows how to install debian on an N810, and talks about
openoffice, gedit and abiword all working. Caveat - I've not done this
myself!
The keyboard on the N810 is very small, though, so I don't think that
you'd be doing any huge jobs on it. If you want something more
substantial, then Terry's suggestion for the Acer is worth considering -
you might also consider an N800 with bluetooth keyboard.
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Hadron
And yet more than 99% of laptops out there do just that.
Strange eh?
Peter Köhlmann
Wrong. When subtracting the Mac laptops, we are already below the 90% mark.
And strangely enough for a wintroll like Hadron Quark, lots of laptops run
just fine with linux. Lets be generous and give wintendo laptops a 86% mark
here.
As usual, Hadron Quark, the "true linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" is
vastly exaggerating windows importance. It is far less then his "more than
99%" figure, and diminishing. When we now take the new netbooks into
account where the linux figures are at around 30%, one can clearly see that
this astroturfing shill is off his meds again
--
The Day Microsoft makes something that does not suck is probably
the day they start making vacuum cleaners.
Kelsey Bjarnason
Maybe the images I saw were misleading; it looked about the size of a
Blackberry. I.e. a glorified phone, rather than something intended to be
used primarily as a keyboard-operated device.
If it is, in fact, designed to be primarily a keyboard-driven device and
has keyboard appropriate to that, fine, but it certainly didn't appear
that way when I checked it out online.
Kelsey Bjarnason
Yeah, I plan to - but asking around up front to eliminate much dross or
highlight a few notables is not a bad idea either.
Kelsey Bjarnason
> Any recommendations on a Linux-based PDA?
Thanks, all, for the input. Looks like the Eee or the Acer are the most
likely culprits. Will check them out.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>
>>> Windows is a poor option for a mobile companion intended for use far away
>>> from the protection of the corporate network.
>>
>> And yet more than 99% of laptops out there do just that.
>>
>> Strange eh?
>
> Wrong. When subtracting the Mac laptops, we are already below the 90% mark.
> And strangely enough for a wintroll like Hadron Quark, lots of laptops run
> just fine with linux. Lets be generous and give wintendo laptops a 86% mark
> here.
>
> As usual, Hadron Quark, the "true linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" is
> vastly exaggerating windows importance. It is far less then his "more than
> 99%" figure, and diminishing. When we now take the new netbooks into
> account where the linux figures are at around 30%, one can clearly see that
> this astroturfing shill is off his meds again
Hadron sure confabulates and exaggerates a lot, doesn't he? And /always/
against Linux, Free Software, and anyone who recommends them.
--
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which, like old idols, lost obscenes,
have molten bowels; your vision is
machines for making more machines.
-- Gordon Bottomley, 1874
Erik Funkenbusch
It's a dual-purpose device, both phone and pda. It's intended to be used
by keyboard for things like email and what not. The keyboard is certainly
no worse than the Nokia N810's, althought the "bump" on the right might be
annoying to some.
It's certainly larger than a blackberry's. Here's a good picture. Still a
"thumb" keyboard. If you want a full-size keyboard, then you should
consider a netbook.
http://phandroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/t-mobile-g1_wht_searchresults.jpg
Kelsey Bjarnason
Hard to tell from that. Is it 2" long and close up, or 16" long using a
large font?
I'm guessing it's about 6" or so, meaning the keyboard is somewhere
between microscopic and maddening.
So yeah, if a glorified phone is the only other choice, I'll get her a
netbook.
Ian Hilliard
People do all sorts of dangerous things like driving under the influence or
having unprotected casual sex.
As for the 99% that is rather exaggerated. Firstly, there are more and more
Macs and Linux netbooks. Next, many corporations try to extend the
protection of the corporate network by only permitting networking through a
VPN back to the protected network. This may not be perfect, but it is
better than the alternative, which is the equivalent to having unprotected
sex with a local in central Africa.
Keeping the mobile staff safe and secure is costing corporations an ever
increasing amount of money. Some have already moved their mobile staff onto
Macs.
It is only a matter of time before other alternatives such as Linux are
investigated. Microsoft has the FUD machine running at full revs to delay
that day as long as possible, but it will happen.
Ian
Hadron
It was meant to be a statement of "majority" not an accurate number.
> Macs and Linux netbooks. Next, many corporations try to extend the
More and more yes. And more and more Windows ones. Windows dominates the
netbook sales.
> protection of the corporate network by only permitting networking through a
> VPN back to the protected network. This may not be perfect, but it is
> better than the alternative, which is the equivalent to having unprotected
> sex with a local in central Africa.
You seem to forget ssh and the like exist for Windows too.
>
> Keeping the mobile staff safe and secure is costing corporations an ever
> increasing amount of money. Some have already moved their mobile staff onto
> Macs.
Good for them. Most stick with Windows and it works for them. I used to
carry a DELL latitude running Db/2 oracle and SQL Server all running
flawlessly on XP. It was docked back in the office and had a modem for
dial up (late 90s). Worked flawlessly and I never had a compromised
system. The lies told in COLA are generally FUD as anyone knows. A FAR
bigger issue is people not encrypting their HDs or losing their removal
media.
Linux would be much better for security, yes. But dont delude yourself
or others. Linux has made little inroads into corporation laptops which
are used to run MS Office and demonstrate proprietary closed source
SW. There is little, if any, market for that in the Linux world.
>
> It is only a matter of time before other alternatives such as Linux are
> investigated. Microsoft has the FUD machine running at full revs to delay
> that day as long as possible, but it will happen.
>
> Ian
This year? When? I think it's missed the boat. I have seen one Linux
equipped EEE out there and zero full laptops running Linux other than my
Debian Thinkpad. I have seen many, many Macs. And them's the facts. No
one can convince me that Linux has made anything more than a tiny tiny
inroad into the laptop world.
Rex Ballard
> Hadron wrote:
> > Ian Hilliard <nos...@hilliardtech.com> writes:
> >> Windows is a poor option for a mobile companion intended for use far away
> >> from the protection of the corporate network.
> >> Ian
> > And yet more than 99% of laptops out there do just that.
Probably more like about 25% of the laptops. Most laptops have a
number of protection layers and are normally used behind a protected
firewall - even WiFi hubs contain their own firewalls to prevent
inbound connections to the laptops.
> > Strange eh?
> Wrong. When subtracting the Mac laptops, we are already below the 90% mark.
> And strangely enough for a wintroll like Hadron Quark, lots of laptops run
> just fine with linux. Lets be generous and give wintendo laptops a 86% mark
> here.
Figure that about 1/2 are corporate configuration laptops. As a
result, many "features" such as running certain types of ActiveX
controls, are disabled. Most also have 3rd party firewall and
antivirus software which MUST be updated automatically on a regular
basis.
Many of these laptops also route ALL traffic through the corporate
VPN, so that they can track and audit activity that results in
successful malware attacks.
Even most home computers are connected via an ISP that has firewalls,
and often through a router or WiFi router - which adds even more
protection. This is often at least 1 layer of NAT routing.
More and more e-mail providers are running antivirus on both the
server and the client, as well as spam filters.
> As usual, Hadron Quark, the "true linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" is
> vastly exaggerating windows importance.
Hadrian is one of the better informed advocates, and tends to argue
for standards such as LSB 3.1 desktop standards, which is a legitimate
argument.
Most Wintrolls assume that just because 99.5% of all standard PCs are
sold with Windows, that this is the ONLY operating system they could
EVER run. There seems to be some pretty positive indicators that
millions of PCs are "enhanced" by adding Linux to them, in many cases
the machines are capable of running both Linux and Windows at the same
time. There are also indicators that millions of machines are being
converted to Linux when they become too old and obsolete to run
current versions of Windows. Vista has not generated as much of a
market for the old machines, because most users dislike Vista so much
that they install XP on it if they can, and Virtualization software
based on Linux is making it possible for many of these new machines to
run XP more easily. All of these choices require a legitimate
Microsoft OS License (Vista or XP Professional), which is helping
Microsoft sell more "Vista" machines. In fact, Microsoft has even
gotten premiums by selling upgrades to Vista Business - to legally
support the downgrade to XP professional.
> It is far less then his "more than
> 99%" figure, and diminishing. When we now take the new netbooks into
> account where the linux figures are at around 30%, one can clearly see that
> this astroturfing shill is off his meds again
ASUS reports that Linux is now 60% of the models where customers can
choose between Linux with fully functional Open Office and a "bare
bones" version of XP with Works.
> The Day Microsoft makes something that does not suck is probably
> the day they start making vacuum cleaners.
LOL
Actually, Windows 2000 was actually pretty good. Probably Microsoft's
best OS ever. Unfortunately, it wasn't profitable because most
corporate customers had been promised free upgrades and had been
promised that NT 5.0/Windows 2000 would NOT require expensive hardware
upgrades.
It took Microsoft 3 years to deliver Windows 2000 and just a few
months later, Microsoft was trying to force-feed these same companies
Windows XP upgrades - with a significant increase in their maintenance
contract prices.
We're already seeing the Microsoft "VaporWare" campaign, with "leaked"
copies of "Windows 7" which are supposedly pretty functional.
Microsoft expects to get it out sometime in 2010 which means it will
probably be GA in 2011 or 2012, and won't be "Stable" enough for
corporate use until 2013 or later.
Rumors are that the new administration may opt to implement new OPEN
standards, including standards based on Open Source software. This
could break the "applications barrier" much lower, allowing more
government and corporate workstations to run on Linux alone.
Hadron
> On Nov 10, 10:46 am, Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlm...@arcor.de> wrote:
>> Hadron wrote:
>> > Ian Hilliard <nos...@hilliardtech.com> writes:
>
>> >> Windows is a poor option for a mobile companion intended for use far away
>> >> from the protection of the corporate network.
>
>> >> Ian
>
>> > And yet more than 99% of laptops out there do just that.
>
> Probably more like about 25% of the laptops. Most laptops have a
> number of protection layers and are normally used behind a protected
> firewall - even WiFi hubs contain their own firewalls to prevent
> inbound connections to the laptops.
What total and utter nonsense. "Out there". Mobile laptops are used the
world over via wireless and wireless networks.
>
>> > Strange eh?
>
>> Wrong. When subtracting the Mac laptops, we are already below the 90% mark.
>> And strangely enough for a wintroll like Hadron Quark, lots of laptops run
>> just fine with linux. Lets be generous and give wintendo laptops a 86% mark
>> here.
>
> Figure that about 1/2 are corporate configuration laptops. As a
> result, many "features" such as running certain types of ActiveX
> controls, are disabled. Most also have 3rd party firewall and
> antivirus software which MUST be updated automatically on a regular
> basis.
And the problem with that? Of COURSE I am not saying you can run an
unprotected laptop.
*snip more Peter drivel and Rexx fantasy*
You see the problem is that our eyes do not lie. We know the majority
out there are Windows.
I even acknowledged that Linux would be more secure BUT it doesnt
provide the platform that the majority of business travellers use. And
that, my dear COLA fibbers, is Windows as you very well know.
So, rather than tell lies and live in cuckoo land ADVOCATE WHY Linux
WOULD be better but be honest and acknowledge that Windows is the clear
market leader. Linux most certainly is not - not even in netbook land.
High Plains Thumper
> Rex Ballard <rex.b...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Figure that about 1/2 are corporate configuration laptops.
>> As a result, many "features" such as running certain types
>> of ActiveX controls, are disabled. Most also have 3rd party
>> firewall and antivirus software which MUST be updated
>> automatically on a regular basis.
>
> And the problem with that? Of COURSE I am not saying you can
> run an unprotected laptop.
>
> *snip more Peter drivel and Rexx fantasy*
>
> You see the problem is that our eyes do not lie. We know the
> majority out there are Windows.
>
> I even acknowledged that Linux would be more secure BUT it
> doesnt provide the platform that the majority of business
> travellers use. And that, my dear COLA fibbers, is Windows as
> you very well know.
>
> So, rather than tell lies and live in cuckoo land ADVOCATE WHY
> Linux WOULD be better but be honest and acknowledge that
> Windows is the clear market leader. Linux most certainly is
> not - not even in netbook land.
Hadron confirms once again, that he is nothing more than a Wintroll.
This is another example of an ad hominem attack against the
posters, rather than address the issues the posters brings forth.
Ian Hilliard
> This year? When? I think it's missed the boat. I have seen one Linux
> equipped EEE out there and zero full laptops running Linux other than my
> Debian Thinkpad. I have seen many, many Macs. And them's the facts. No
> one can convince me that Linux has made anything more than a tiny tiny
> inroad into the laptop world.
I have seen many many Macs as well. I know of some companies that are
equipping their "Road Warriors" with Macs. This is of course the thin edge
of the wedge. Where middle management accepts that it doesn't HAVE to be
Windows, then it is only a small jump to using Linux.
In the mean time, I will keep using my little Linux netbook, which gives me
a reliable stable platform to get my work done.
Ian
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Nov 10, 10:46 am, Peter Köhlmann <peter.koehlm...@arcor.de> wrote:
>
>> As usual, Hadron Quark, the "true linux advocate" and "kernel hacker" is
>> vastly exaggerating windows importance.
>
> Hadrian is one of the better informed advocates, and tends to argue
> for standards such as LSB 3.1 desktop standards, which is a legitimate
> argument.
Now we /know/ you are crazy, Rex!
And "Hadrian"? "Caligula" might be a better bet.
> We're already seeing the Microsoft "VaporWare" campaign, with "leaked"
> copies of "Windows 7" which are supposedly pretty functional.
> Microsoft expects to get it out sometime in 2010 which means it will
> probably be GA in 2011 or 2012, and won't be "Stable" enough for
> corporate use until 2013 or later.
>
> Rumors are that the new administration may opt to implement new OPEN
> standards, including standards based on Open Source software. This
> could break the "applications barrier" much lower, allowing more
> government and corporate workstations to run on Linux alone.
Searches on "linux" and "open-source" yield 0 results.
"open standards" yielded 1 bogus result.
Still, the site is young.
It also slows down searching tremendously:
The following errors were encountered
* You are only allowed to search every 15 seconds.
--
Fear is the greatest salesman.
-- Robert Klein
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron wrote:
>> Rex Ballard <rex.b...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Figure that about 1/2 are corporate configuration laptops.
>>> As a result, many "features" such as running certain types
>>> of ActiveX controls, are disabled. Most also have 3rd party
>>> firewall and antivirus software which MUST be updated
>>> automatically on a regular basis.
>>
>> And the problem with that? Of COURSE I am not saying you can
>> run an unprotected laptop.
>>
>> *snip more Peter drivel and Rexx fantasy*
>>
>> You see the problem is that our eyes do not lie. We know the
>> majority out there are Windows.
>>
>> I even acknowledged that Linux would be more secure BUT it
>> doesnt provide the platform that the majority of business
>> travellers use. And that, my dear COLA fibbers, is Windows as
>> you very well know.
>>
>> So, rather than tell lies and live in cuckoo land ADVOCATE WHY
>> Linux WOULD be better but be honest and acknowledge that
>> Windows is the clear market leader. Linux most certainly is
>> not - not even in netbook land.
>
> Hadron confirms once again, that he is nothing more than a Wintroll.
He's the cuckoo one, with the 99% number pulled from his posterior orifice.
"COLA fibbers." What an arrogant asshole.
> This is another example of an ad hominem attack against the
> posters, rather than address the issues the posters brings forth.
>
> http://tantek.pbwiki.com/TrollTaxonomy
>
> [quote]
> Ad hominem troll
>
> * "some here, yourself included, will not see nor understand
> the parallels"
> * "Your noses are simply buried too deeply into the
> proverbial bark."
> * "Or you lack the courage, will, ability to step away and
> ask the truly difficult questions. That is a shame."
> [/quote]
At least he appears to have dropped the "Steve Townsend" charade.
--
Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to
time that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught.
-- Oscar Wilde, "The Critic as Artist"
chrisv
> High Plains Thumper belched:
>
>> Hadron snotted:
>>>
>>> Windows is the clear market leader. Linux most certainly is
>>> not - not even in netbook land.
Quack, you snotty asshole, you're changing your story.
You're much worse than a "fibber", Quack, you're a lying POS.
>> Hadron confirms once again, that he is nothing more than a Wintroll.
>
>He's the cuckoo one, with the 99% number pulled from his posterior orifice.
>
>"COLA fibbers." What an arrogant asshole.
>At least he appears to have dropped the "Steve Townsend" charade.
What a ridiculous cretin, he is.
--
Question: Are you actually claiming that because linux supports NTFS
and VFAT it should also defrag them?
Hadron Quark's answer: Yes.
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:24:04 -0800, Rex Ballard wrote:
>> The Day Microsoft makes something that does not suck is probably the
>> day they start making vacuum cleaners.
>
> LOL
>
> Actually, Windows 2000 was actually pretty good.
You and I obviously have different notions of "good". Yes, Win2K was
arguably the best version of Windows, but that makes it merely the best
of the bad, it doesn't make it good.
Drop a Win2K box - that's *Win2K*, not Win2K plus firewall, plus AV, etc,
etc, etc, onto Joe Sixpack's machine and give him a public IP. See how
long the box lasts before being compromised. Now do the same with, oh,
Ubuntu or OSX. See if you can spot exactly why Win2K simply can't
qualify as "good".
What's the current lag time? Last I heard, an unprotected Windows box
had a life expectancy on the net of about a minute before being
compromised.