Here's the fix
Wastrel
it:
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/oequotefix.html
Gregory Toomey
Wastrel
Sure, but not everyone is running Windows by choice. I wouldn't be running
it now if it were up to me.
Thomas Edison
Thomas Edison
> Sure, but not everyone is running Windows by choice. I wouldn't be running
> it now if it were up to me.
Still, there are alternatives to OE on the Windows platform.
Wastrel
> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:31:54 GMT, Wastrel wrote:
>
>> If OE keeps shutting down while you're reading this news group, add
>> this to it:
>>
>> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/oequotefix.html
>
> ...or just use a reader that isn't so pathetic.
OE-QuoteFix shapes it up nicely.
Wastrel
> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:36:42 GMT, Wastrel wrote:
>
>> Sure, but not everyone is running Windows by choice. I wouldn't be
>> running it now if it were up to me.
>
> Still, there are alternatives to OE on the Windows platform.
But I wouldn't have the satisfaction that comes from thwarting the exploits
of OE.
Sinister Midget
> It's nothing but a sewer infested with rabid zealot kooks!!!
> Thank God this group is considered a joke amongst Linux users or else
Which is what keeps /you/ coming back.
--
The box said Windows XP or better. So I installed Linux.
Hamilcar Barca
19:47:23 -0400), Tim wrote:
> Better yet, don't read this group.
You provide some excellent advice, Flatfish. I hope you're the first
to follow it.
GreyCloud
Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:31:54 +0000, Wastrel wrote:
>
>
> Better yet, don't read this group.
> It's nothing but a sewer infested with rabid zealot kooks!!!
> Thank God this group is considered a joke amongst Linux users or else
> Linux's market share would be declining based upon the posts here.
>
>
sniff... sniff, sniff... PHEW!!
What are you doing in here?
--
---------------------------------
The Golden Years Sux.
Wastrel
It really is the fix.
Peter Köhlmann
> Hamilcar Barca wrote:
>
> It really is the fix.
No, it is not. It repaires some of OEs atrocious quoting problems
It does not address OEs problems regarding the begin-bug
--
Microsoft software doesn't get released - it escapes, leaving
a trail of destruction behind it.
Wastrel
I scoff at your puny efforts.
Peter Jensen
begin Wastrel wrote:
> I scoff at your puny efforts.
Let's see if you're fully patched, OK?
--
PeKaJe
BOFH Excuse #375:
Root name servers corrupted.
Peter Köhlmann
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> I scoff at your puny efforts.
Sure you do. Tell us, how convenient is it not to see a post directly?
--
I say you need to visit Clues 'R' Us. They are having a special on
slightly used clues.
Peter Köhlmann
> <html><input type crash></html>
> begin Wastrel wrote:
>
>> I scoff at your puny efforts.
>
> Let's see if you're fully patched, OK?
>
That is true. Lets see
end
--
<html>
<input type crash>
This should crash OE ...
</html>
Wastrel
No message shown, but no ill effects either.
Wastrel
Your score is still zero.
Wastrel
Pulling out the big guns, are you?
LOL
Wastrel
<html>
<input type crash>
This should crash OE ...
</html>
It can't crash OE with OE-Quotefix.
Your days (daze?) as a hacker dude are over.
Rick
... and why do we care?
--
Rick
Wastrel
I'll bite. Why?
S.Heenan
> <html><input type crash></html>
Awwww, that's so sweet; wanting to grow up to be like your big brother pIk.
Wastrel
A swing and a miss. Strike three, yer out!
Wastrel
LOL
alt
Sounds like you have _far_ too much time on your hands.
--
Donovan Hill
Canadian, Linux User, All around nice guy!
Wastrel
> Wastrel wrote:
>
>> Thomas Edison wrote:
>>> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:36:42 GMT, Wastrel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure, but not everyone is running Windows by choice. I wouldn't
>>>> be running it now if it were up to me.
>>>
>>> Still, there are alternatives to OE on the Windows platform.
>>
>> But I wouldn't have the satisfaction that comes from thwarting the
>> exploits of OE.
>
> Sounds like you have _far_ too much time on your hands.
Jealous?
Greg Copeland
> Peter Jensen wrote:
>
> No message shown, but no ill effects either.
LOL. In other words, it doesn't fix the problem, it just side steps the
problem. That's pethetic. Especially when you consider that there are
many fairly good news readers available for Windows. I just can't fathom
why people would insist on using OE for news reading.
Cheers,
Greg
Wastrel
I fixes the problem of OE shutting down when it hits certain posts here.
If a poster wants to insert commands to keep his message from being read, he
probably doesn't have anything of value to say anyway.
I don't see where OE is any worse than most other news readers.
alt
Only because I'm working with real servers doing real tasks on my real
Linux workstation.... Truth is, the servers (and workstation) "Just
Work(tm)". Most of my work is research.
I have one job where it's all Linux servers. I never go in because I
never have to. Nothing breaks.
Wastrel
That's great, but you must have time on your hands also. You are here too,
after all.
alt
> I don't see where OE is any worse than most other news readers.
Let's see....
1. input type crash
2. begin bug
3. incorrect posting behaviour (top posting)
I think that's a good start. I don't use crapware, so I don't have
these problems. (Truth is, my system is running like a top these
days. I don't need to do anything.)
Wastrel
> Wastrel wrote:
>
>> I don't see where OE is any worse than most other news readers.
>
> Let's see....
>
> 1. input type crash
> 2. begin bug
> 3. incorrect posting behaviour (top posting)
>
> I think that's a good start. I don't use crapware, so I don't have
> these problems. (Truth is, my system is running like a top these
> days. I don't need to do anything.)
Two are exploits that posters have no good cause to insert into their posts.
My replies don't seem to be top posted.
OE works fine, or at least it does with OE-Quotefix added to it.
alt
I should be doing research. :P
Sinister Midget
The same reason they use Windoze for anything, I suspect.
I'll leave it to anyone wondering what that reason might be to figure
it out. Here's a hint, though: they're using Winders.
--
Whip me. Beat me. Windows ME(tm).
Rick
It's your tripe. You posted it. You tell us why we should care.
--
Rick
Wastrel
I didn't post any tripe.
Peter Köhlmann
> Rick wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:14:55 +0000, Wastrel wrote:
>>
>>> Rick wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:31:54 +0000, Wastrel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If OE keeps shutting down while you're reading this news group, add
>>>>> this to it:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/oequotefix.html
>>>>
>>>> ... and why do we care?
>>>
>>> I'll bite. Why?
>>
>> It's your tripe. You posted it. You tell us why we should care.
>
> I didn't post any tripe.
Certainly. You aren't samrt enough even for tripe
--
Warning: You have moved the mouse.
Windows will reboot now to make the change permanent
Wastrel
You can't crash my OE and I can't see your reply.
So what's the point of you replying to me?
Rick
Does your head hurt much... being as stupid as you are?
--
Rick
Peter Köhlmann
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> You can't crash my OE and I can't see your reply.
>
I don't want to crash your POS "newsreader" OE
> So what's the point of you replying to me?
Well, You can't see what I post (at least, not directly). So by making it as
hard as possible for idiotic scum like you (and other OE users), this group
is spared a lot of meaningless, ultrabad quoted drivel
--
Warning: 10 days have passed since your last Windows reinstall.
Peter Jensen
Hash: SHA1
Wastrel wrote:
> OE works fine, or at least it does with OE-Quotefix added to it.
The fact that you need third-party hacks in order to get such simple
features as non-broken quoting and a signature delimiter that follows
standards should be enough explanation for why most knowledgeable users
hate OE.
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Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux)
iD8DBQFBOPYFd1ZThqotgfgRAlfzAJsH2UgdViFnWHiyuQcWPHZJiZvW1gCfQ9xu
UUywqwUNkgv2RfsBfb7xOV8=
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-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
--
PeKaJe
Egotist: A person of low taste, more interested in himself than in me.
-- Ambrose Bierce
Wastrel
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Wastrel wrote:
>
>> OE works fine, or at least it does with OE-Quotefix added to it.
>
> The fact that you need third-party hacks in order to get such simple
> features as non-broken quoting and a signature delimiter that follows
> standards should be enough explanation for why most knowledgeable
> users hate OE.
I don't find your explanation to be sufficient.
I added on OE-Quotefix, and everything is fine. I don't see anything to
hate. It works, that's all that matters. I have no religious orthodoxy
against hacks, and it's strange to see such in a Linux user, given how much
hacking goes on with Linux.
Gunnar
It's all bullshit.
Who are these guys?
Peter Köhlmann
> Peter Jensen wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Wastrel wrote:
>>
>>> OE works fine, or at least it does with OE-Quotefix added to it.
>>
>> The fact that you need third-party hacks in order to get such simple
>> features as non-broken quoting and a signature delimiter that follows
>> standards should be enough explanation for why most knowledgeable
>> users hate OE.
>
> I don't find your explanation to be sufficient.
>
> I added on OE-Quotefix, and everything is fine.
No, it is not
> I don't see anything to
> hate. It works, that's all that matters.
Sorry to interrupt your idiotic tripe, but it does *not* work.
Not by a very far stretch of imagination
> I have no religious orthodoxy
> against hacks, and it's strange to see such in a Linux user, given how
> much hacking goes on with Linux.
I think you are quite mistaken.
There is for sure a lot of "hacking" going on.
But not to provide some basic features like reading news.
Linux users think of trivial things like that as a given. There simply
should not be any "hack" involved with such trivial matters. That MS thinks
different (they still don't provide any useable newsreader) speaks volumes
--
Microsoft software doesn't get released - it escapes, leaving
a trail of destruction behind it.
Wastrel
Beats me.
Wastrel
Still no crashes.
Hamilcar Barca
2004 23:43:19 +0000), Wastrel wrote:
> Gunnar wrote:
>> Who are these guys?
>
> Beats me.
With an answer like that, it must be Bailo.
Wastrel
Is that a medical condition or a person?
Hamilcar Barca
00:32:23 +0000), Wastrel wrote:
>> With an answer like that, it must be Bailo.
>
> Is that a medical condition or a person?
Bailo's a real person. Occasionally, he's an annoying pest who trolls.
Often, he demonstrates intelligence and wit.
alt
A little of both.
Thomas Edison
> I can't see your reply.
I've got a feeling that you're just trying to wind people up by attempting
to appear very stupid while defending OE, but if it is indeed true that you
can't see any post containing some specific text, then why would you use
that reader?
--
Read my blog: http://tomjb.blogspot.com/
Ralph
> appear very stupid while defending OE
That is redundant.
Panama Red
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
> Still no crashes.
Unless you use knode and hit a post with recursive references.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
None of us are quite sure, to be honest.
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Wastrel
"Thomas Edison" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:1f1tt6gv0a6xm$.dlg@thomas.edison.uk...
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:16:31 GMT, Wastrel wrote:
>
>> I can't see your reply.
>
> I've got a feeling that you're just trying to wind people up by attempting
> to appear very stupid while defending OE, but if it is indeed true that
> you
> can't see any post containing some specific text, then why would you use
> that reader?
Why should I yield to anyone who's attempting force what SW I can or can
not use? If they put characters in to make their messages unreadable,
their messages probably aren't worth reading anyway.
It turns out I don't need OE-Quotefix to avoid crashing in this group,
either. Just XP and the latest OE.
Sinister Midget
begin > "Thomas Edison" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:16:31 GMT, Wastrel wrote:
>>
>>> I can't see your reply.
>>
>> I've got a feeling that you're just trying to wind people up by attempting
>> to appear very stupid while defending OE, but if it is indeed true that
>> you
>> can't see any post containing some specific text, then why would you use
>> that reader?
>
> Why should I yield to anyone who's attempting force what SW I can or can
> not use? If they put characters in to make their messages unreadable,
> their messages probably aren't worth reading anyway.
Now, if you could only come up with some way to reciprocate. We have
all reached the logical conclusion that there's nothing worth reading
in your posts.
> It turns out I don't need OE-Quotefix to avoid crashing in this group,
> either. Just XP and the latest OE.
Too bad you can't say the same thing about all of the other causes of
crashes. Like simply using Windoze.
end
--
CodeRed - Innovative Microsoft peer-to-peer software.
Uncle Fester
What's the point of using an alleged newsreader which requires a
third-party "fix" which doesn't work? If all it does is prevent OE
from crashing yet you still *cannot* see that news post, what in the
hell does it do for you?
If you want a damned good newsreader for Windows, try Forte Agent --
it's the best newsreader for Windows (IMO).
OE is *not* a real newsreader, never was and never will be. What does
it tell you when you realize that MS doesn't even bother to fix the
stupid bugs in that sorry POS?
Uncle Fester
Wastrel
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:16:31 GMT, "Wastrel" <spo...@all.times> wrote:
>
>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>> You can't crash my OE and I can't see your reply.
>>
>> So what's the point of you replying to me?
>>
>
> What's the point of using an alleged newsreader which requires a
> third-party "fix" which doesn't work? If all it does is prevent OE
> from crashing yet you still *cannot* see that news post, what in the
> hell does it do for you?
It provides vaulable filtering. If someone is going out of their way to
include the character strings to make their posts unreadable, I probably
don't need to waste my time with what they posted anyway.
> If you want a damned good newsreader for Windows, try Forte Agent --
> it's the best newsreader for Windows (IMO).
I am aware of Forte Agent, thank you very much.
> OE is *not* a real newsreader, never was and never will be. What does
> it tell you when you realize that MS doesn't even bother to fix the
> stupid bugs in that sorry POS?
Bugs? These are no random "bugs." Who starts a message with "begin"
followed by two spaces? Nobody in any of the other NGs I've posted to, and
neither would anyone here if they couldn't carry out a vendetta against M$
software by doing so.
Peter Köhlmann
> Uncle Fester wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:16:31 GMT, "Wastrel" <spo...@all.times> wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>
>>> You can't crash my OE and I can't see your reply.
>>>
>>> So what's the point of you replying to me?
>>>
>>
>> What's the point of using an alleged newsreader which requires a
>> third-party "fix" which doesn't work? If all it does is prevent OE
>> from crashing yet you still *cannot* see that news post, what in the
>> hell does it do for you?
>
> It provides vaulable filtering. If someone is going out of their way
You wrongly assume that I "go out of my way"
Nothing further from the truth: My newsreader is set up to automatically
include it
> to
> include the character strings to make their posts unreadable, I probably
> don't need to waste my time with what they posted anyway.
>
You are wasting your time with posting drivel here instead
>> If you want a damned good newsreader for Windows, try Forte Agent --
>> it's the best newsreader for Windows (IMO).
>
> I am aware of Forte Agent, thank you very much.
>
>> OE is *not* a real newsreader, never was and never will be. What does
>> it tell you when you realize that MS doesn't even bother to fix the
>> stupid bugs in that sorry POS?
>
> Bugs? These are no random "bugs." Who starts a message with "begin"
> followed by two spaces? Nobody in any of the other NGs I've posted to,
> and neither would anyone here if they couldn't carry out a vendetta
> against M$ software by doing so.
It has nothing to do with a "vendetta". Users of OE have proven that they
are incredibly stupid, just by using this garbage. Why would anyone sane
even try to have a discussion with such idiots? Better to make it real hard
for these dimwits to participate. They might leave instead, everyone wins
--
<a href="file:///aux">C:\aux</a>
Sinister Midget
> Bugs? These are no random "bugs." Who starts a message with "begin"
> followed by two spaces?
Enough people that MICROS~1 had to make a "knowledgebase" <snicker>
entry describing how to avoid it. And enough people have worried about
it to have some other people dimiss it as meaningless (google for it in
the groups, it's there).
--
Bill Gates: "As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to
steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow
figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
S.Heenan
It was on Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:37:11 +0200, that Peter Köhlmann
wrote this:
> begin Wastrel wrote:
>
>> Uncle Fester wrote:
>>> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:16:31 GMT, "Wastrel" <spo...@all.times> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can't crash my OE and I can't see your reply.
>>>>
>>>> So what's the point of you replying to me?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What's the point of using an alleged newsreader which requires a
>>> third-party "fix" which doesn't work? If all it does is prevent OE from
>>> crashing yet you still *cannot* see that news post, what in the hell
>>> does it do for you?
>>
>> It provides vaulable filtering. If someone is going out of their way
>
> You wrongly assume that I "go out of my way" Nothing further from the
> truth: My newsreader is set up to automatically include it
So is mine, & so are some others.
>> to
>> include the character strings to make their posts unreadable, I probably
>> don't need to waste my time with what they posted anyway.
>>
>>
> You are wasting your time with posting drivel here instead
I quite agree.
<snip>
> It has nothing to do with a "vendetta". Users of OE have proven that they
> are incredibly stupid, just by using this garbage. Why would anyone sane
> even try to have a discussion with such idiots? Better to make it real
> hard for these dimwits to participate. They might leave instead, everyone
> wins
They just seem to be to stupid to leave, though. Of course, wintendo
trolls wouldn't anyway.....
Wastrel
> On 2004-09-06, Wastrel <spo...@all.times> sputtered:
>
>> Bugs? These are no random "bugs." Who starts a message with
>> "begin" followed by two spaces?
>
> Enough people that MICROS~1 had to make a "knowledgebase" <snicker>
> entry describing how to avoid it. And enough people have worried about
> it to have some other people dimiss it as meaningless (google for it
> in the groups, it's there).
By my experience that "bug" only gets invoked deliberately, not by chance.
M$ only explained what was going on, and made it clear posters didn't have
to make such things occur.
What good reason do you have to start a message with "begin," followed by
two spaces?
Wastrel
> William Poaster wrote:
> It was on Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:37:11 +0200, that Peter Köhlmann
> wrote this:
>
>> begin Wastrel wrote:
>>
>>> Uncle Fester wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:16:31 GMT, "Wastrel" <spo...@all.times>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't crash my OE and I can't see your reply.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what's the point of you replying to me?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> What's the point of using an alleged newsreader which requires a
>>>> third-party "fix" which doesn't work? If all it does is prevent OE
>>>> from crashing yet you still *cannot* see that news post, what in
>>>> the hell does it do for you?
>>>
>>> It provides vaulable filtering. If someone is going out of their
>>> way
>>
>> You wrongly assume that I "go out of my way" Nothing further from the
>> truth: My newsreader is set up to automatically include it
>
> So is mine, & so are some others.
Everyone who set up their news readers to automatically include such text
strings went out of their way to do so.
>>> to
>>> include the character strings to make their posts unreadable, I
>>> probably don't need to waste my time with what they posted anyway.
>>>
>>>
>> You are wasting your time with posting drivel here instead
>
> I quite agree.
I haven't posted any drivel.
> <snip>
>> It has nothing to do with a "vendetta". Users of OE have proven that
>> they are incredibly stupid, just by using this garbage. Why would
>> anyone sane even try to have a discussion with such idiots? Better
>> to make it real hard for these dimwits to participate. They might
>> leave instead, everyone wins
>
> They just seem to be to stupid to leave, though. Of course, wintendo
> trolls wouldn't anyway.....
I'll continue to post here using OE, both to defy your bullying, and to
oppose the attitudes you've expressed above.
Sinister Midget
> Sinister Midget wrote:
>> On 2004-09-06, Wastrel <spo...@all.times> sputtered:
>>
>>> Bugs? These are no random "bugs." Who starts a message with
>>> "begin" followed by two spaces?
>>
>> Enough people that MICROS~1 had to make a "knowledgebase" <snicker>
>> entry describing how to avoid it. And enough people have worried about
>> it to have some other people dimiss it as meaningless (google for it
>> in the groups, it's there).
>
> By my experience that "bug" only gets invoked deliberately, not by chance.
> M$ only explained what was going on, and made it clear posters didn't have
> to make such things occur.
The problem is, it had to happen once, most likely inadvertantly, to be
discovered. Once discovered, a trivial fix was in order.
Funny how MICROS~1 has plenty of time to code in flight simulators,
screensavers that do funny things when certain words are entered,
embedded pinball games into things, easter eggs about Sir Buttcrust's
horse and so on, but they can't find 5 minutes to fix a real bug.
Telling, is what it is.
> What good reason do you have to start a message with "begin," followed by
> two spaces?
To repeatedly point out to trolling maroons that they claim to support
crappy software. One can /never/ go overboard showing idiots that they
are.
--
Maybe windows needs a command called "downtime" to calculate time
wasted.
Peter Köhlmann
Well, one perfectly good reason would be to do an attachment. You know,
dimwit, those "features" of wintendo you better not employ. Everyone else
naturally still can and does
BTW, you don't have to *start* a msg with begin to trigger this bug (and it
is a bug, since OE is the only program exhibiting this idiotic behaviour)
You can do it on any line you wish, as I will demonstrate to you now
begin Wastrel.dimwit
How does it fell to be such a retard, Wastrel?
--
Windows: Because everyone needs a good laugh!
S.Heenan
"William Poaster" <will...@jvyycbnfg.zr.hx> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.06....@jvyycbnfg.zr.hx...
It was on Mon, 06 Sep 2004 14:34:10 +0000, that Wastrel wrote this:
Wastrel wrote:
<snip>
> I'll continue to post here using OE, both to defy your bullying, and to
> oppose the attitudes you've expressed above.
If you don't want to go & whine somewhere else, I (for one) don't have to
read the crap. FYI, you've just hit low score!
%BOS
%Score created by Pan on Mon Sep 6 16:04:30 2004
[^comp\.os\.linux\.advocacy$]
Score: =-9999
%Expires:
% Subject: Re: Here's the fix
From: ^"Wastrel" <spoofed@all\.times>$
% References: <Cz__c\.14504\$Y94\.6998@newssvr33\.news\.prodigy\.com>
% Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.os.linux.advocacy:1105599
%EOS
'bye!
--
Just because you have one,
doesn't mean you have to be one.
GreyCloud
S.Heenan wrote:
Good Bye and don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
--
---------------------------------
The Golden Years Sux.
GreyCloud
Wastrel wrote:
A strange way of rationalizing their ineptness of fixing bugs.
Hamilcar Barca
06 Sep 2004 04:44:52 +0000), Wastrel wrote:
> Why should I yield to anyone who's attempting force what SW I can or can
> not use?
You've already yielded, to Microsoft. Your complaint is disingenuous.
> If they put characters in to make their messages unreadable,
> their messages probably aren't worth reading anyway.
If they put defects in which make articles unreadable, their software
definitely isn't worth using anyway.
> It turns out I don't need OE-Quotefix to avoid crashing in this group,
> either. Just XP and the latest OE.
One needs XP and any OE like a hole in the head.
Tom Wilson
> I'll continue to post here using OE, both to defy your bullying, and to
> oppose the attitudes you've expressed above.
And thus was born Wastrel, patron saint of spambots.
--
Tom Wilson
"I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've
always worked for me."
-- Hunter S. Thompson
Uncle Fester
>> If you want a damned good newsreader for Windows, try Forte Agent --
>> it's the best newsreader for Windows (IMO).
>
>I am aware of Forte Agent, thank you very much.
Yet you prefer to continue using a bug-ridden POS as a newsreader
which doesn't even have the capability to read all news posts?
It's obvious that I'm using Windows to post/read here -- at least I
have enough intelligence to use something that works instead of the
crippled crap that Bill Gates wants me to use.
If paying for Agent is something you disdain, then use Free Agent.
Continuing to use OE when there are alternatives seems to be a little
masochistic (to put it mildly). Regardless, you have problems that
extend beyond using OE as some sort of defiance toward those here who
take advantage of your handicap by using "begin" to annoy you, but
articulating them would be off-topic here.
Uncle Fester
Wastrel
> On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 12:03:22 GMT, "Wastrel" <spo...@all.times> wrote:
>
>>> If you want a damned good newsreader for Windows, try Forte Agent --
>>> it's the best newsreader for Windows (IMO).
>>
>> I am aware of Forte Agent, thank you very much.
>
> Yet you prefer to continue using a bug-ridden POS as a newsreader
> which doesn't even have the capability to read all news posts?
The only posts it can't read are those in which the poster has gone out of
his way to make them unreadable. I don't care about those posts.
> It's obvious that I'm using Windows to post/read here -- at least I
> have enough intelligence to use something that works instead of the
> crippled crap that Bill Gates wants me to use.
OE works.
> If paying for Agent is something you disdain, then use Free Agent.
> Continuing to use OE when there are alternatives seems to be a little
> masochistic (to put it mildly). Regardless, you have problems that
> extend beyond using OE as some sort of defiance toward those here who
> take advantage of your handicap by using "begin" to annoy you, but
> articulating them would be off-topic here.
I don't have any problems or annoyances. I'm not the one booby-trapping
posts, or insulting people, or demanding they only use software I approve
of.
Uncle Fester
>OE works.
I guess that would depend on what definition of the term "works" you
are operating under.
If you mean OE "works" as in "it executes" as a program then you'd be
correct. A Stanley Steamer may fit the definition of an automobile,
but it's not going to make the minimum speed limit for modern freeway
usage.
If you mean OE "works" as in "it will read any newspost on Usenet,"
then you're wrong.
It doesn't do multi-part binaries without extra finagling on the part
of the user.
It doesn't decode binary attachments encoded with yEnc.
It's a relic -- get rid of it!
Uncle Fester
Wastrel
> On 2004-09-06, Wastrel <spo...@all.times> sputtered:
>> Sinister Midget wrote:
>>> On 2004-09-06, Wastrel <spo...@all.times> sputtered:
>>>
>>>> Bugs? These are no random "bugs." Who starts a message with
>>>> "begin" followed by two spaces?
>>>
>>> Enough people that MICROS~1 had to make a "knowledgebase" <snicker>
>>> entry describing how to avoid it. And enough people have worried
>>> about it to have some other people dimiss it as meaningless (google
>>> for it in the groups, it's there).
>>
>> By my experience that "bug" only gets invoked deliberately, not by
>> chance. M$ only explained what was going on, and made it clear
>> posters didn't have to make such things occur.
>
> The problem is, it had to happen once, most likely inadvertantly, to
> be discovered. Once discovered, a trivial fix was in order.
More likely the knowledge was passed on by those who had a reason to know OE
internals. It is, after all, a way to tell OE it has an attachment.
> Funny how MICROS~1 has plenty of time to code in flight simulators,
> screensavers that do funny things when certain words are entered,
> embedded pinball games into things, easter eggs about Sir Buttcrust's
> horse and so on, but they can't find 5 minutes to fix a real bug.
I don't think it's a real bug. To repeat, who begins a message with
"begin, followed by two spaces?
> Telling, is what it is.
Yes, telling about those who exploit it, and make a mountain out of an
anthill.
>> What good reason do you have to start a message with "begin,"
>> followed by two spaces?
>
> To repeatedly point out to trolling maroons that they claim to support
> crappy software. One can /never/ go overboard showing idiots that they
> are.
IOW, there is no good reason.
Wastrel
IOW, there is no good reason.
Wastrel
> Wastrel wrote:
>
>> I'll continue to post here using OE, both to defy your bullying, and
>> to oppose the attitudes you've expressed above.
>
> And thus was born Wastrel, patron saint of spambots.
I don't spam or support spammers.
Wastrel
I don't use it for binary, and it reads any post, except those where the
poster went out of his way to keep it from reading the post.
Why do you care what news reader I'm using?
Wastrel
> I believe it was Wastrel who said...
>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>
>> Still no crashes.
>
> Unless you use knode and hit a post with recursive references.
Please give me some examples.
Peter Köhlmann
You spam this NG with useless drivel
--
"Last I checked, it wasn't the power cord for the Clue Generator that
was sticking up your ass." - John Novak, rasfwrj
Wastrel
> Wastrel (dumb as a retarded brick) sputtered:
>
>> Sinister Midget wrote:
>>> On 2004-09-06, Wastrel <spo...@all.times> sputtered:
>>>
>>>> Bugs? These are no random "bugs." Who starts a message with
>>>> "begin" followed by two spaces?
>>>
>>> Enough people that MICROS~1 had to make a "knowledgebase" <snicker>
>>> entry describing how to avoid it. And enough people have worried
>>> about it to have some other people dimiss it as meaningless (google
>>> for it in the groups, it's there).
>>
>> By my experience that "bug" only gets invoked deliberately, not by
>> chance. M$ only explained what was going on, and made it clear
>> posters didn't have to make such things occur.
>>
>> What good reason do you have to start a message with "begin,"
>> followed by two spaces?
>
> Well, one perfectly good reason would be to do an attachment. You
> know, dimwit, those "features" of wintendo you better not employ.
> Everyone else naturally still can and does
But I asked why you would start a message that way. A message, not an
attachment.
> BTW, you don't have to *start* a msg with begin to trigger this bug
> (and it is a bug, since OE is the only program exhibiting this
> idiotic behaviour) You can do it on any line you wish, as I will
> demonstrate to you now
Why would a message suddenly have an uncapitialized "begin," followed by two
spaces, somewhere in the message?
I've read a lot of groups, and this is the only NG where these so-called
'bugs' have ever appeared. I doubt that's a coincidence.
Peter Köhlmann
> Sinister Midget wrote:
>> On 2004-09-06, Wastrel <spo...@all.times> sputtered:
>>> Sinister Midget wrote:
>>>> On 2004-09-06, Wastrel <spo...@all.times> sputtered:
>>>>
>>>>> Bugs? These are no random "bugs." Who starts a message with
>>>>> "begin" followed by two spaces?
>>>>
>>>> Enough people that MICROS~1 had to make a "knowledgebase" <snicker>
>>>> entry describing how to avoid it. And enough people have worried
>>>> about it to have some other people dimiss it as meaningless (google
>>>> for it in the groups, it's there).
>>>
>>> By my experience that "bug" only gets invoked deliberately, not by
>>> chance. M$ only explained what was going on, and made it clear
>>> posters didn't have to make such things occur.
>>
>> The problem is, it had to happen once, most likely inadvertantly, to
>> be discovered. Once discovered, a trivial fix was in order.
>
> More likely the knowledge was passed on by those who had a reason to know
> OE internals. It is, after all, a way to tell OE it has an attachment.
>
Sure it is. Bad thing is, the "end" statement to make it a real attachment
is not needed for OE to trigger this behaviour. Making it a real bug
>> Funny how MICROS~1 has plenty of time to code in flight simulators,
>> screensavers that do funny things when certain words are entered,
>> embedded pinball games into things, easter eggs about Sir Buttcrust's
>> horse and so on, but they can't find 5 minutes to fix a real bug.
>
> I don't think it's a real bug. To repeat, who begins a message with
> "begin, followed by two spaces?
>
Well, anyone including an attachment. Those would also have an "end"
statement, though.
Otherwise, anyone trying to unclutter this NG of useless widiot drivel with
atrocious quoting has a real reason to include it
>> Telling, is what it is.
>
> Yes, telling about those who exploit it, and make a mountain out of an
> anthill.
>
Well, it is after all the only "newsreader" exhibiting this idiotic bug.
A bug MS is unable to repair, one might add. Speaks volumes. They have so
utterly inept programmers that they not only add one security hole after
the other, but also they are so incredibly incompetent that they can't
patch such a simple bug
>>> What good reason do you have to start a message with "begin,"
>>> followed by two spaces?
>>
>> To repeatedly point out to trolling maroons that they claim to support
>> crappy software. One can /never/ go overboard showing idiots that they
>> are.
>
> IOW, there is no good reason.
You are expected to say that. After all, you are one of those trolling
morons supporting crappy software. And an idiot naturally
--
Just out of curiosity does this actually mean something or have some
of the few remaining bits of your brain just evaporated?
Peter Köhlmann
I am sure you would like to know how to trigger that, right? To "get even"
and such.
--
Another name for a Windows tutorial is crash course
Peter Köhlmann
Because that is *exactly* the way an attachment is included, you dimwit
At least in MS idiots land. Real programs start it like begin 654 filename,
indicating the access-rights from the start. Naturally, since wintendo is a
half baked single user system with no security worth mentioning, they did
it with begin + 2 spaces. Windows has no conecpt of security, so why
include it. Hence the two spaces
> I've read a lot of groups, and this is the only NG where these so-called
> 'bugs' have ever appeared. I doubt that's a coincidence.
This is not the only group where it has appeared. In lots of (linux) groups
you see it quite often. It is one way to keep OE posts to the minimum
level. Noone in his right mind likes the atrocious quoting of OE
Add to that that most OE using cretins tend to top-post, and you have some
very real reasons to make it as difficult as possible for them
--
begin LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.TXT.VBS
I am an email virus. ILOVEYOU. Download me
Kindly check the nonattached LOVELETTER coming from me.
end
Ralph
> Why would a message suddenly have an uncapitialized "begin," followed by
> two spaces, somewhere in the message?
>
All it would take is a SINGLE TYPO!!! An accidental auto repeated space!
This just shows the idiocy of the MS developers. Only a true idiot would
design an email package that would start an attachment based on a SINGLE
TYPO!
One thing more pathetic is the fact that winidiots DEFEND this stupid bug.
Ralph
> I've read a lot of groups, and this is the only NG where these so-called
> 'bugs' have ever appeared. I doubt that's a coincidence.
It is no problem for Linux users so why not???? Why should we have to worry
about the poor design choices of the software YOU USE????? If you are
having problems with your news reader, that is YOUR problem not ours.
GreyCloud
Wastrel wrote:
Then how come other browsers don't have these bugs or problems?
How come viruses are always kicking in the front door?
How come M$ can't get it right?
My first assumption is correct... they're inept.
Wastrel
> Wastrel wrote:
>
>> Why would a message suddenly have an uncapitialized "begin,"
>> followed by two spaces, somewhere in the message?
>>
>
> All it would take is a SINGLE TYPO!!! An accidental auto repeated
> space! This just shows the idiocy of the MS developers. Only a true
> idiot would design an email package that would start an attachment
> based on a SINGLE TYPO!
Two typos if you count starting a sentence without a capital letter.
> One thing more pathetic is the fact that winidiots DEFEND this stupid
> bug.
Perhaps they like anything that keeps Windoze users from straying into Linux
advocacy.
Wastrel
> Wastrel wrote:
>
>> I've read a lot of groups, and this is the only NG where these so-
>
> It is no problem for Linux users so why not???? Why should we have to
> worry about the poor design choices of the software YOU USE????? If
> you are having problems with your news reader, that is YOUR problem
> not ours.
I'm not having any problems with OE. I appreciate the rude and insulting
posters making their posts invisible to me.
Wastrel
Was that a tumbleweed that rolled by?
Jim Richardson
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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:35:35 +0200,
Peter Köhlmann <Peter.K...@t-online.de> wrote:
> begin Wastrel wrote:
>
>> Panama Red wrote:
>>> I believe it was Wastrel who said...
>>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Still no crashes.
>>>
>>> Unless you use knode and hit a post with recursive references.
>>
>> Please give me some examples.
>
> I am sure you would like to know how to trigger that, right? To "get even"
> and such.
he'd have to hope that he could run across people using very old
versions of knode... bugs get fixed, with OSS.
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--
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
"Even if you can deceive people about a product through misleading statements,
sooner or later the product will speak for itself." - Hajime Karatsu
Ralph
> Ralph wrote:
>> Wastrel wrote:
>>
>>> I've read a lot of groups, and this is the only NG where these so-
>>> called 'bugs' have ever appeared. I doubt that's a coincidence.
>>
>> It is no problem for Linux users so why not???? Why should we have to
>> worry about the poor design choices of the software YOU USE????? If
>> you are having problems with your news reader, that is YOUR problem
>> not ours.
>
> I'm not having any problems with OE.
Apparently you are. Since there is nothing wrong with putting a begin at the
beginning of a line it is NOT us that is making the post invisible you you,
it is OE's stupid design.
> I appreciate the rude and
> insulting posters making their posts invisible to me.
What rude and insulting???? There is NOTHING that SHOULD be wrong with
begin at the start of a line followed by 2 spaces. If you have a problem
with that, it is YOUR problem.
Wastrel
> Wastrel wrote:
>
>> Ralph wrote:
>>> Wastrel wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've read a lot of groups, and this is the only NG where these so-
>>>> called 'bugs' have ever appeared. I doubt that's a coincidence.
>>>
>>> It is no problem for Linux users so why not???? Why should we have
>>> to worry about the poor design choices of the software YOU USE?????
>>> If you are having problems with your news reader, that is YOUR
>>> problem not ours.
>>
>> I'm not having any problems with OE.
>
> Apparently you are. Since there is nothing wrong with putting a begin
> at the beginning of a line it is NOT us that is making the post
> invisible you you, it is OE's stupid design.
The only posts that are invisible are the ones where the poster went out of
his way to make them invisible to me. That's fine, as those seem to be the
rude and insulting posters here anyway.
>
>> I appreciate the rude and
>> insulting posters making their posts invisible to me.
>
> What rude and insulting???? There is NOTHING that SHOULD be wrong with
They did a bit more than comment on news reader design. Are you having
trouble seeing their messages?
Ralph
> Ralph wrote:
>> Wastrel wrote:
>>
>>> Why would a message suddenly have an uncapitialized "begin,"
>>> followed by two spaces, somewhere in the message?
>>>
>>
>> All it would take is a SINGLE TYPO!!! An accidental auto repeated
>> space! This just shows the idiocy of the MS developers. Only a true
>> idiot would design an email package that would start an attachment
>> based on a SINGLE TYPO!
>
> Two typos if you count starting a sentence without a capital letter.
No, you're wrong. The word begin only needs to be at the start of a line. If
it were the second word of a sentence (i.e. I begin... ) somewhere in the
middle of a paragraph, it is possible that it could quite naturally be the
first word on the line and thus would NOT BE CAPALIZED. An example "Let me
begin by typing a single example...
>
>> One thing more pathetic is the fact that winidiots DEFEND this stupid
>> bug.
>
> Perhaps they like anything that keeps Windoze users from straying into
> Linux advocacy.
Perhaps we are not worried about triggering FLAWS in your proken news
reader. If you are having problems with the begin bug, it is YOUR problem,
not ours.