[News] [Linux] Microsoft Bets Advertising Business on Linux and Free Software
Roy Schestowitz
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| This month's announcement by Microsoft to acquire digital marketing
| services firm aQuantive has revealed little on how the companies
| will integrate their IT, but inside information indicates the deal
| may be Redmond's largest commitment to free software.
|
| [...]
|
| Whether the businesses are complementary or not, Microsoft's integration
| work will no doubt involve a lot of open source software used by aQuantive.
|
| Information available from Atlas' Web site indicates the Internet software
| company employs extensive use of open source software including Linux,
| Apache, MySQL, and Solaris.
|
| Software engineers at Atlas' Raleigh office do client/server development in
| C and C++, software maintenance and "scripting", and developing and
| maintaining custom reporting capabilities.
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http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;1616039231;fp;2;fpid;1
Let's not forget Hotmail. It ran BSD for many years.
Related:
It's unofficial: Microsoft bets business on Linux
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| What the press statement didn't mention is that Aruba mobility
| controllers run the Linux operating system which Microsoft has
| aggressively targeted as being inferior to Windows as part of
| its "Get the Facts" marketing campaign.
|
| [...]
|
| Pandey's appraisal of Aruba's technology is in stark contrast to
| Microsoft's "Get the Facts" rhetoric which places Windows as a more secure,
| and higher-performing choice over Linux.
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http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;754084996;fp;2;fpid;1
7
> Top secret: Microsoft's $6 billion open source play
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | This month's announcement by Microsoft to acquire digital marketing
> | services firm aQuantive has revealed little on how the companies
> | will integrate their IT, but inside information indicates the deal
> | may be Redmond's largest commitment to free software.
> |
> | [...]
> |
> | Whether the businesses are complementary or not, Microsoft's integration
> | work will no doubt involve a lot of open source software used by
> | aQuantive.
> |
> | Information available from Atlas' Web site indicates the Internet
> | software company employs extensive use of open source software including
> | Linux, Apache, MySQL, and Solaris.
> |
> | Software engineers at Atlas' Raleigh office do client/server development
> | in C and C++, software maintenance and "scripting", and developing and
> | maintaining custom reporting capabilities.
I think Micoshaft Corporation should stick with nicking pro-micoshaft
badly performing companies. Its becoming a bad habit
finding only Linux using and highly successful companies to buy.
Dr. Bill
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> Top secret: Microsoft's $6 billion open source play
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>> This month's announcement by Microsoft to acquire digital marketing
>>> services firm aQuantive has revealed little on how the companies
>>> will integrate their IT, but inside information indicates the deal
>>> may be Redmond's largest commitment to free software.
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Whether the businesses are complementary or not, Microsoft's
>>> integration work will no doubt involve a lot of open source
>>> software used by aQuantive.
>>>
>>> Information available from Atlas' Web site indicates the Internet
>>> software company employs extensive use of open source software
>>> including Linux, Apache, MySQL, and Solaris.
>>>
>>> Software engineers at Atlas' Raleigh office do client/server
>>> development in C and C++, software maintenance and "scripting", and
>>> developing and maintaining custom reporting capabilities.
>
>
> I think
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAH, you fucking mad liar!
> Micoshaft Corporation should stick with nicking pro-micoshaft
> badly performing companies.
On behalf of Billy Goat: LMFAO
> Its becoming a bad habit
> finding only Linux using and highly successful companies to buy.
For fucks sake, 7, your getting madder and madder. You should get some
professional help. Tell me!, is there a history of insanity, subnormality,
retardation, mongoloid idiocy in your family? or are you smoking pot, when
you post your replies?
Nerdwizard
Hotmail.com currently runs something between 14,000 and 15,000 FreeBSD
servers to serve it's huge market. You do realize, Hotmail is like #3
in the market for free web mail addresses?
Then, there are all the Aruba routers running GNU/Linux and replacing
all the aged Cisco routers.
Plus, the Microsoft.com and MSN.com both run behind 15,000 Akamai leased
servers running GNU/Linux (since Fall 2005). These protect against
DDOS attacks.
The Microsoft 'Labs' run over 200 Linux systems, to test compatibility
(quoting Stephen Hilf, Microsoft's Linux VP.)
Of course Microsoft also pays royalties to the 5 Universities who had to
sue Microsoft to collect the contracted $105 Million, in 2005, for all
the BSD TCP/IP stack, and other great features, without which Microsoft
nor their users, could not even be on the Internet.
Microsoft actually fears one thing, and that is the huge grassroots
movement of Open Source. Microsoft cannot compete with Open Source
code. Their closed source business model that controls the user is dead
in most markets in the world. China and India, plus Russia, the former
states; plus South America, Europe, Asia and the Pacific countries are
all making their own versions of GNU/Linux that is in their languages,
and is free.
Poor people and poor nations are grabbing their chance to become
technologically competetitive, as this is their one opportunity to
become self reliant, in a new trading market on the Internet.
Linux lowered the entry fee so they can join in. Microsoft profits
naught, but is drooling to go there, angry at the loss of the
opportunity to further it's "protection Racket" cartel in concert with
the many 'Trusted Partners" who all prosper from the "114,000 Microsoft
Virus and Malware Definitions".
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[H]omer
[snip excellent post]
Well said.
Ultimately they simply cannot compete with "Free", especially when it is
technically superior.
Their only remaining tactic is, as someone quite aptly put it recently,
"gorilla dust".
--
K.
http://slated.org
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Roy Schestowitz
> Verily I say unto thee, that Nerdwizard spake thusly:
> [snip excellent post]
>
> Well said.
Seconded.
> Ultimately they simply cannot compete with "Free", especially when it is
> technically superior.
>
> Their only remaining tactic is, as someone quite aptly put it recently,
> "gorilla dust".
What else can they do? They tray to survive the decade to come.
Microsoft patent claims hint at internal issues
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| Microsoft Corp.'s aim to seek patent royalties from open-source
| distributors and users may be an attempt to use legal threats to
| deflect attention from larger questions surrounding its business,
| including lack of interest in new versions of core products and
| lackluster profit from new wares.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/infoworld/20070514/tc_infoworld/88493
Microsoft's Record Quarter: Shareholders Paid for Most of the Upside Surprise
,----[ Quote ]
| "Said another way, Microsoft achieved record breaking earnings during
| the Vista launch quarter by taking money out of its assets, not
| through amazing sales of Vista and Office."
|
| Now taking money of its savings account isn't necessarily a big deal.
| ... However, as a point in contrast, Apple Inc. has been launching a
| lot of products over the last nine months and has added almost $2
| billion to its balance sheet and assets in the same period that
| Microsoft's assets dropped $6 billion.
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http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/070503/34354_id.html?.v=1
Microsoft Refuses to Reveal Current Vista Sales
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| Microsoft on Thursday reported a 65 percent jump in third quarter profits,
| buoyed by sales of its latest operating system, Vista.
|
| Exactly how many Microsoft has sold, however, is still a mystery.
|
| [...]
|
| Liddell declined to provide exact numbers on how many units of Vista
| the company had sold.
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2122837,00.asp
Rumor: Is Microsoft cheating their [Xbox 360] sales?
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| All in all, there are some sobering thoughts with very broad implications
| for any company if that were true. That being said, would you buy
| from Microsoft, or any other company for that matter, if they were
| cheating their sales?
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http://xbox360.qj.net/Rumor-Is-Microsoft-cheating-their-sales-/pg/49/aid/89595
Uh-Oh, Vista! PC Sales Levels Are Normal
,----[ Quote ]
| "Vista hasn't been a catalyst for PC sales," he said. "Looking at the
| weekly data, there really isn't anything happening with sales that
| has anything to do with Vista."
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http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/oh_oh_vista_pc_sales_levels_are_normal.html
,----[ Quote ]
| "This is a relic of old-line consumer products companies like Philip
| Morris, or fraudsters like Miniscribe who literally shipped bricks in
| lieu of disk drives to hit sales targets.
|
| [...]
|
| Channel stuffing is the business practice where a company or a sales
| force within a company inflates its sales figures by forcing more
| products through a distribution channel than the channel is capable
| of selling to the world at large.
|
| [...]
|
| We have a game we play around the office here with Microsoft press
| releases. The game is, "Find the words that make the headline true."
| It's not always easy.
|
| [...]
|
| Sony, like Microsoft, announces units shipped, not actually sold.
| This allows both companies to advertise sales numbers based on how
| many units they can force retailers to accept, not on how many units
| customers actually buy; both have considerable market power to push
| excess unsold inventory into the channel."
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http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html
Microsoft cuts Windows virtualization features
,----[ Quote ]
| The company is changing three key features of the hypervisor
| technology to try to stick to its schedule of releasing the
| technology within 180 days of completing its Windows Server
| "Longhorn" operating system, due to be finalized before the
| end of the year.
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http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6182852.html
More than half of Microsoft Vista needs re-writing
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| "Up to 60% of the code in the new consumer version of Microsoft new Vista
| operating system is set to be rewritten..."
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http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=30516
,----[ Quote ]
| "In the long years since XP was launched, Apple have come out with five
| major upgrades to OS X, upgrades which (dare I say it?) install with about
| as much effort as it takes to brush your teeth in the morning. No nightmare
| calls to tech-support, no sudden hardware incompatibilities, no hassle. Why
| hasn't Microsoft kept up? Unmaintainable"
|
| "Right now, Microsoft has nowhere to run, and nowhere to hide. After all
| the hype surrounding Vista, the Emperor has finally been revealed in all
| his naked glory. Some folks have been predicting the demise of Microsoft. I
| wouldn't go that far, but I am wondering how we?re ever going to take
| Microsoft seriously again?"
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http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/04/29/vista_end_dream/
A history of Microsoft Windows - the inside story exposed
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| 2004: (...)
| THE MANAGEMENT: "What do you mean it still doesn't work? Try
| harder!"
|
| 2005: (...)
| "MAKE IT WORK! FOR GOD'S SAKE, MAKE IT WORK! Well, throw it away
| and use the server version then, that seems all right. Look, they
| won't know the difference, drop the database stuff, nobody remembers
| what we said in 1995 now! That was ten years ago! "Apple has what?
| 3D acceleration? So, we have DirectX. What, in the desktop? Really?
| What, even Stallman's beardie-weirdies have it? Oh hell. Right, you
| lot, make it look like this!"
|
| 2006: Windows Vista
| THE MANAGEMENT: "Look, if we trickle it out to those mugs, I mean,
| valued customers who've already paid, we can say we released it this
| year and it'll buy us some more time..."
|
| 2007: No, really Windows Vista, honest
| MARKETING DEPT: "Never mind the features, look at it! Isn't it shiny?
| Yes! Pretty!"
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http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37962
Microsoft admits Vista screwed - report
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| Vista SP1 is code named "Fiji", presumably after a pretty looking
| island which is paralysed by coups.
|
| In a statement regarding the service pack Microsoft admits that
| Vista has "high impact" problems.
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http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37125
MS Insider: The Office Crew Isn't Smart Enough to Supplant Real Windows
Developers
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| "With Alchin retiring, MarkL and MarkZ, two of the most talented
| architects in MS already having left, the picture gets really
| ugly for the Windows division," my friend claimed, and the BV's
| core team members, Ian McDonald, Jack Mayo, Todd Wanke, Clyde
| Rodriguez and others are starting to connect the dots.
|
| [...]
|
| He concluded ominously. "A trainwreck of biblical proportions looms.
| Pick a good seat on the sidelines, trainwrecks this large take
| awhile to complete. Vista may be the last MS OS for some time to
| come, especially if Cutler decides to play hardball."
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http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/09/11/ms-insider-the-office-crew-isnt-smart-enough-to-supplant-real-windows-developers/
http://tinyurl.com/35eqrt
Software Notebook: Microsoft's cash pile isn't what it used to be
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| But Microsoft has taken a series of steps to reduce its cash
| balance. Specifically, by Microsoft's count, the company has
| paid out nearly $100 billion through dividends and repurchasing
| its own stock in the past five years.
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/309852_software02.html
Loot: Redmond, We Have a Problem, Or, What's Wrong With the Xbox 360
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| At this point, Former becomes impassioned. That's not fair, he says;
| we always saw this as a long-term venture. To which we reply that we
| were talking about the original Xbox, and while other divisions of
| the company throw off more profits in a single quarter than the
| entire $5 billion or so lost in the home and entertainment division
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| to date, the fact remains that, as we take-our-word-for-it predicted,
| the Xbox group has been spectacularly unprofitable for Microsoft.
| Hence, our heretofore unpublished Vietnam analogy. The rest of the
| night is a blur, but we digress.
|
| [...]
|
| The worst case scenario for Microsoft, then, is one in which the Xbox
| 360's bid for the mass market is blocked by the Wii for the next two to
| three years, at which point the aging and underpowered Wii gives way
| to a cheaper-than-it-is-now PS3 with a selection of AAA titles that's
| far wider than what the PS3 has at the moment; new installments of
| Playstation's own popular and casual-leaning games; and a slew of
| new franchises from Sony's much-larger studio operation.
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http://ncroal.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=533168
The Secret Failures of Microsoft
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| There is no choice involved; even most Linux users are forced to pay for a
| Microsoft license in order to obtain a brand name PC.
|
| [...]
|
| They are bound to an oath to swear allegiance to Windows XP Professional,
| and must never mention Linux and Windows in the same breath. If they step
| out of line in any way, Microsoft dramatically raises their OEM licensing
| fees and sends them to indoctrination camp, where they face chairs being
| hurled at them by angry monkeys.
|
| [...]
|
| Why do Windows enthusiasts exibit much hostility to an obvious fact?
| Because if they admit that 80% of the company's revenues come entirely
| from an OEM tax, and not from any choice on the part of consumers...
|
| [...]
|
| Microsoft's decade of investments in WinCE and Windows Mobile
| Smartphones have only barely matched the market share of Palm, which
| itself is a run down company out of ideas. Microsoft couldn't
| out-maneuver the incompetent Palm within a decade of trying; now both
| are ineffectually fighting over the dying PDA industry while Linux and
| Symbian slaughter them in the smartphone arena:
|
| Symbian 75%; Linux 14%; Microsoft 5%; Palm 5%.
|
| [...]
|
| (many more failures listed)
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http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4.06/2E6D9BB2-FE1B-4556-8389-67BD581FBCCC.html
How Much is Too Much?
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| Microsoft says it will stick with Xbox. But with years of heavy losses
| behind it, the pressure's on for the gaming division to make good
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http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/content/oct2006/id20061013_283856.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories
http://tinyurl.com/yxdr4j
Microsoft stoic despite massive losses
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| If you were to judge by the PR rhetoric, you'd think the 360 was
| an unstoppable commercial juggernaut. As usual though, PR lies.
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http://www.gamerscan.com/articles/06/10/09/microsofts.massive.losses/
Microsoft Hides Its Mobile and Business Apps Divisions
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| The company is folding its two worst-performing divisions -- Microsoft
| Business Solutions (its business applications unit) and its Mobile and
| Embedded units -- into the Microsoft Business Division and Microsoft Home
| and Entertainment units, respectively.
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http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1990243,00.asp?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535
A Dozen Stocks For '07
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| Millen also thinks $36 billion in planned share buybacks
| will help the stock.
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http://www.forbes.com/2006/12/05/stocks-markets-investing-pf-ii-cz_ag_1205stockpicks.html?partner=yahootix
http://tinyurl.com/yjzfbo
Microsoft counts on Vista to recharge stagnant stock
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| There was a time in the 1990s when shares of Microsoft stock seemed to
| double every couple of years. 1996: college for the kids. 1998: a place
| on Whidbey. 1999: early retirement.
|
| Times have changed.
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003437957_vista19.html
Commentary: Microsoft needs more than just buybacks to lift its shares
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| Microsoft shares, which have been dormant for the last few years,
| have been looking up over the last couple months. The Dow industrials
| component has gained about 20% since hitting a 4-year low of $21.46 o
| June 13.
|
| To help move things along, Microsoft not only launched a $40 billion
| stock repurchase program that lasts through 2011, the company also said
| its previously announced 4-year, $30 billion stock buyback program was
| completed in just 2 years.
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DFS
> Verily I say unto thee, that Nerdwizard spake thusly:
> [snip excellent post]
>
> Well said.
>
> Ultimately
That's a long, long, long time. You'll be dust yourself way before open
source supplants MS on the server or on the desktop.
> they simply cannot compete with "Free", especially when it
> is technically superior.
As in slow and amateurish and clunky and derivative superior?
> Their only remaining tactic is, as someone quite aptly put it
> recently, "gorilla dust".
They can drop their prices by a drastic amount, still be profitable, and
essentially shut down Linux.
tha...@tux.glaci.delete-this.com
>
> That's a long, long, long time. You'll be dust yourself way before open
> source supplants MS on the server or on the desktop.
I wouldn't count on that. Microsoft's growth in the server space
continues to track with overall growth of the PC market while Linux
continue to outpace it. Factor in potentially explosive growth in
emerging markets, and things look rather good for server Linux.
Desktop Linux is obviously less far along, but I would hesitate to
count it out either. You need only look at the history of Linux on
the server and embedded space to see its capacity to defy all the
critics. It will take years for Linux to achieve the same sort of
momentum on the desktop, but it certainly is off to solid start.
> They can drop their prices by a drastic amount, still be profitable, and
> essentially shut down Linux.
There are a couple of problems with that scenario. Yes, Microsoft
has a lot of profit margin they can sacrifice in the name of price
competition, but there will be a stockholder revolt if they cut too
deep. Furthermore, the resulting reduction in their cash pile would
make it even more difficult to expand into new markets and develop
new versions of their existing products.
And even if they give away Windows, it won't shut down Linux. Slow
its growth some, yes, but not stop it. Price is a factor but rarely
the main reason someone chooses Linux. Support for open standards,
lack of vendor lock-in, and a reputation of security and stability
all play a larger roll.
Later,
Thad
Rick
Uh, no. Dropping their prices to those of Linux based software won't work,
and may even get them hauled into court for dumping.
--
Rick
[H]omer
> DFS <nospam@dfs_.com> wrote:
>> That's a long, long, long time. You'll be dust yourself way before open
>> source supplants MS on the server or on the desktop.
>
> I wouldn't count on that. Microsoft's growth in the server space
> continues to track with overall growth of the PC market while Linux
> continue to outpace it. Factor in potentially explosive growth in
> emerging markets, and things look rather good for server Linux.
And that doesn't even include the Linux that *Microsoft* is deploying in
that server space, as a result of their own customer demands. Which of
Microsoft's high-profile banking customers said recently that they would
never switch from Linux?
Even MS know they've lost the server war.
>> They can drop their prices by a drastic amount, still be profitable, and
>> essentially shut down Linux.
"Shut down Linux"? LOL!
How does one shut down something that can survive in perpetuity on
nothing? Who exactly is Microsoft going to shut down?
> There are a couple of problems with that scenario. Yes, Microsoft
> has a lot of profit margin they can sacrifice in the name of price
> competition, but there will be a stockholder revolt if they cut too
> deep. Furthermore, the resulting reduction in their cash pile would
> make it even more difficult to expand into new markets and develop
> new versions of their existing products.
They could only give away their products for so long. Without any other
form of revenue, even with their huge pile of cash, eventually it would
run dry. Like I said, how can anyone compete with "Free".
> And even if they give away Windows, it won't shut down Linux. Slow
> its growth some, yes, but not stop it. Price is a factor but rarely
> the main reason someone chooses Linux. Support for open standards,
Hence my use of the word "Free", which DooFy pretends he still doesn't
understand.
> lack of vendor lock-in, and a reputation of security and stability
> all play a larger roll.
--
K.
http://slated.org
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Linonut
>> They can drop their prices by a drastic amount, still be profitable, and
>> essentially shut down Linux.
>
> Uh, no. Dropping their prices to those of Linux based software won't work,
> and may even get them hauled into court for dumping.
Besides, probably a majority of people who use Linux do so not so much
because it is free, but because they prefer it.
--
"Spock, you're nothing but a damn computer!"
"Why, thank you, Doctor!"
Hadron Quark
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Rick belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>>> They can drop their prices by a drastic amount, still be profitable, and
>>> essentially shut down Linux.
>>
>> Uh, no. Dropping their prices to those of Linux based software won't work,
>> and may even get them hauled into court for dumping.
>
> Besides, probably a majority of people who use Linux do so not so much
> because it is free, but because they prefer it.
That's not what most people here say. You included. All we ever here is
"it cost me nothing". The real "Free" which Stallman advocates is the
type of "Free" which you guys actively discourage e.g the publishing of
Omer's "newsgroup stats" scripts.
The double standards seem to know no bounds here in COLA.
Kier
> Linonut <lin...@bellsouth.net> writes:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Rick belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>>> They can drop their prices by a drastic amount, still be profitable, and
>>>> essentially shut down Linux.
>>>
>>> Uh, no. Dropping their prices to those of Linux based software won't work,
>>> and may even get them hauled into court for dumping.
>>
>> Besides, probably a majority of people who use Linux do so not so much
>> because it is free, but because they prefer it.
>
> That's not what most people here say. You included. All we ever here is
> "it cost me nothing". The real "Free" which Stallman advocates is the
That's merely an added benefit. I certainly didn't start using Linux
because it cost nothing, because as far was I was concerned Windows
'cost' nothing, since I purchased it with my PC. Most users don't see the
price of Windows.
Certainly, lack of cost was a factor for me *trying* Linux. But that's as
far as it went.
> type of "Free" which you guys actively discourage e.g the publishing of
> Omer's "newsgroup stats" scripts.
>
> The double standards seem to know no bounds here in COLA.
Your 'standards' are no better than anyone else's here.
--
Kier
Linonut
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:34:24 +0200, Hadron Quark wrote:
>
>> Linonut <lin...@bellsouth.net> writes:
>>
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Rick belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>>> They can drop their prices by a drastic amount, still be profitable, and
>>>>> essentially shut down Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Uh, no. Dropping their prices to those of Linux based software won't work,
>>>> and may even get them hauled into court for dumping.
>>>
>>> Besides, probably a majority of people who use Linux do so not so much
>>> because it is free, but because they prefer it.
>>
>> That's not what most people here say. You included. All we ever here is
>> "it cost me nothing". The real "Free" which Stallman advocates is the
>>
>> The double standards seem to know no bounds here in COLA.
>
> Your 'standards' are no better than anyone else's here.
Hadron's an idiot and he deliberately twists what people say.
Plonk him.
--
Linux -- because it's *your* money, not Microsoft's
Hadron Quark
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Kier belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:34:24 +0200, Hadron Quark wrote:
>>
>>> Linonut <lin...@bellsouth.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Rick belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>
>>>>>> They can drop their prices by a drastic amount, still be profitable, and
>>>>>> essentially shut down Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh, no. Dropping their prices to those of Linux based software won't work,
>>>>> and may even get them hauled into court for dumping.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, probably a majority of people who use Linux do so not so much
>>>> because it is free, but because they prefer it.
>>>
>>> That's not what most people here say. You included. All we ever here is
>>> "it cost me nothing". The real "Free" which Stallman advocates is the
>>>
>>> The double standards seem to know no bounds here in COLA.
>>
>> Your 'standards' are no better than anyone else's here.
>
> Hadron's an idiot and he deliberately twists what people say.
>
> Plonk him.
How have I twisted anything?
Or have I missed the part where Culley and Co published the code?
Well?