Linux is so profitable
John
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/15/1727240&mode=nested&tid=147
>
> What a shame.
Do you see a difference between selling Linux and using Linux ?
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> begin On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:55:51 -0500, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (John <skepticNO...@yahoo.com>) wrote:
>
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>>
>>>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/15/1727240&mode=nested&tid=147
>>>
>>>What a shame.
>>
>>Do you see a difference between selling Linux and using Linux ?
>
>
Using linux can be and is profitable. Selling linux does not have to be
profitable.
John
> begin On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:12:40 -0500, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (John <skepticNO...@yahoo.com>) wrote:
>
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Do you see a difference between selling Linux and using Linux ?
>>>
>>>Yes, but how is this relevant?
>>
>>Using linux can be and is profitable. Selling linux does not have to be
>>profitable.
>
>
> And without commercial support, Linux will be nothing more
> than a curiosity.
This does not show that "that Linux isn't all that profitable". It just
shows that Mandrake selling linux is not profitable.
You make a connection that is not necessarily true. The 2 points can be
mutually exclusive.
COLA Moderator
news:3E25D1B6...@yahoo.com...
Educate me: What is Windows' market share compared to Linux?
Just curious.
Mark
Seems to vary each time you quote percentages doesn't it?
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(PS I'm not a wintroll or a linonut. Just trying to get the most out o my
humble beast)
cfswestern
Since there is little or no meaningful work that can be done with Linux
applications the users spend all their time on the internet in one
fashion or another. So going by internet polls and surveys you may be
fooled into thinking that Linux has cracked the 1% barrier. It has not.
Mark
Chris the question was put to the the groups resident clown. The last figure he
quoted was a round 93% you say 96%..
Andy Fraser
>>profitable.
>
> And without commercial support, Linux will be nothing more
> than a curiosity.
Actually, as pointed out on that SlashDot page, businesses tend to look
towards Red Hat. All the companies that I deal with who use Linux use Red
Hat. Mandrake seemed to me to be aiming at the desktop market and didn't
seem to push the server capabilities of their distro.
--
Andy.
cfswestern
connected to the internet. Strange as it may sound some people actually
use them that way.
Mark
Chris the resident clown has quoted various usage figures for Linux . Thre have
even been figures quoting Macs at 4-10 percent. There are a LOT of PCs not
connected to the internet as well. How can Internet usage figures actually describe
TOTAL desktop OS usage?
cfswestern
>
> Chris the resident clown has quoted various usage figures for Linux . Thre have
> even been figures quoting Macs at 4-10 percent. There are a LOT of PCs not
> connected to the internet as well. How can Internet usage figures actually describe
> TOTAL desktop OS usage?
>
> --
>
Obviously internet figures cannot represent total desktop OS usage with
any degree of accuracy. But since Linux wannabe users spend all their
time on the internet trying to get one more lib or rpm or emailing each
other for advice in solving driver and dependency hell the internet
stats show Linux usage to be incredibly high. Someone recently pointed
out that this ng gets 75 posts per hour. But there are only about 5
posters. Do you really think the average Windows or Mac user is always
on the usenet making 15 posts per hour? Of course not. They are using
the PC for its designed purpose.
Rick
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/15/1727240&mode=nested&tid=147
>
> What a shame.
United Airlines ... what a shame.
Whats your point?
Rick
What is the source of these figures?
> Since there is little or no meaningful work that can be done with Linux
> applications the users spend all their time on the internet in one
> fashion or another.
You are a liar.
>So going by internet polls and surveys you may be
> fooled into thinking that Linux has cracked the 1% barrier. It has not.
What is the source of your information?
BTW, didn't you promise you were leaving?
--
Rick
Rick
> Mark wrote:
>>
>> Chris the resident clown has quoted various usage figures for Linux .
>> Thre have even been figures quoting Macs at 4-10 percent. There are a
>> LOT of PCs not connected to the internet as well. How can Internet
>> usage figures actually describe TOTAL desktop OS usage?
>>
>> --
>>
>>
> Obviously internet figures cannot represent total desktop OS usage with
> any degree of accuracy. But since Linux wannabe users spend all their
> time on the internet trying to get one more lib or rpm or emailing each
> other for advice in solving driver and dependency hell the internet
> stats show Linux usage to be incredibly high.
Just because you are too damn stupid to install Linux doesn't mean
everyone else is.
> Someone recently pointed
> out that this ng gets 75 posts per hour. But there are only about 5
> posters.
You can't count, either.
> Do you really think the average Windows or Mac user is always on the
> usenet making 15 posts per hour? Of course not. They are using the PC
> for its designed purpose.
And just what is "the PC" designed for? Maybe you can explain to
Industrial Light and Music, or to the governments of India, China, Germany
and Great Britain.
--
Rick
Duke Robillard
Heh. And look at Arthur Anderson! Clearly, accounting is
a no-win field to be in.
And Billy Joel went bankrupt too! Obviously, there's not
way to make money as a rock star.
Duke
Mark
3 out of 5 of those posters are trolling idiots.
cfswestern
Everybody knows that Linux is a great little time waster and little
else. It lets you do important things to the OS just like you were Steve
Jobs or Bill Gates. But when that novelty wears off there is really
nothing to it.
John
I would not know. And what do you mean by 'market share'?
Desktop? Server? Software? Education? Research?
Mark
Mybe he was talking about the windows you look through. Seem to be a lot of
them about. Lots of offices too and explorers seeing what they can discover.
Maybe he just needs a better outlook on life. Or just needs to go the
MacDonalds and get the works.
cybear
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/15/1727240&mode=nested&tid=147
>
> What a shame.
Yeah, like no windows related company has ever gone bankrupt. Never mind
this is a reorganization and not going out of business.
cybear
> begin On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:12:40 -0500, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (John <skepticNO...@yahoo.com>) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>>
>>>>Do you see a difference between selling Linux and using Linux ?
>>>
>>> Yes, but how is this relevant?
>>
>>Using linux can be and is profitable. Selling linux does not have to be
>>profitable.
>
> Yes, but this shows that Linux isn't all that profitable.
> And without commercial support, Linux will be nothing more
> than a curiosity.
IBM is doing quite well with Linux. IBM as I have stated over and over has
already recovered all the cost of porting Linux to its current line!
Because ONE Linux company is having trouble in a BAD tech market does not
mean all Linux company.
IBM is indeed a Linux company. This does not change just because they do
other stuff as well.
cybear
20% if the top 10 fasted computers in the world! From what I can tell,
Windows does not have any in the top 100 quite possibly the top 500!
Linux Market share is FAR greater than Windows on Alphas, MAC hardware,
IBM mainframes and Sun hardware.
For web servers OSS smokes windows my hosting nearly 3 times as many sites
as windows!
Yep, Linux beats Windows all over the place!
cybear
> Windows has 96% Apple has 3% the others have 0.14% and Linux has 0.86%.
> Since there is little or no meaningful work that can be done with Linux
> applications the users spend all their time on the internet in one
> fashion or another. So going by internet polls and surveys you may be
> fooled into thinking that Linux has cracked the 1% barrier. It has not.
Ahhh, the liar that said he has nothing more to say here posts again
showing what a liar he is!
cybear
> Everybody knows that Linux is a great little time waster and little
> else. It lets you do important things to the OS just like you were Steve
> Jobs or Bill Gates. But when that novelty wears off there is really
> nothing to it.
Ah, more proof that cfiswetter lied when he claimed he has nothing more to
say here and that he would 'give us the group back' What a fucking liar.
cybear
More proof that he is a liar.
cybear
More proof.
Mark
> begin On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:34:52 GMT, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (cybear <cyb...@pacbell.net>) wrote:
>
> >drsquare wrote:
> >
> >> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/15/1727240&mode=nested&tid=147
> >>
> >> What a shame.
> >
> >Yeah, like no windows related company has ever gone bankrupt.
>
> No company which made and sold Windows distributions has
> ever gone bankrupt.
Well I wonder who that is you backpeddling idiot.
Conor Turton
> Yes, but this shows that Linux isn't all that profitable.
> And without commercial support, Linux will be nothing more
> than a curiosity.
>
You've missed the whole ethos of Linux haven't you?
Linus Torvalds didn't write Linux to make money. Most of the people
writing OSS don't do it for the money...
--
_________________________
Conor Turton
conor....@bigfoot.com
ICQ:31909763
_________________________
Conor Turton
cfswe...@msn.com says...
> Since there is little or no meaningful work that can be done with Linux
> applications the users spend all their time on the internet in one
> fashion or another.
Tell that to:
Morgan Stanley, West Yorkshire Police Force, the many Govts of the
world INCLUDING U.S INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES that use it...
Hub
more Windows. 'Fact of life - get used to it.
Hub
"cybear" <cyb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:2gnV9.43$b96...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
| < chop chop > Yep, Linux beats Windows all over the place!
|
|
COLA Moderator
news:MPG.189019f6b...@news.claranews.com...
> In article <hhjb2vs4bps4oue5n...@4ax.com>, a@b.c says...
>
> > Yes, but this shows that Linux isn't all that profitable.
> > And without commercial support, Linux will be nothing more
> > than a curiosity.
> >
> You've missed the whole ethos of Linux haven't you?
>
> Linus Torvalds didn't write Linux to make money. Most of the people
> writing OSS don't do it for the money...
They are retarded hippies, idiots.
d2003xx
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/15/1727240&mode=nested&tid=147
>
> What a shame.
Hey! My gnus just came back, now you could cry like a little girl.
--
d2003xx
Non-free software is wrong and we do not want it in our lives -- RHS
Buford
> Mark wrote:
>>
>> Chris the resident clown has quoted various usage figures for Linux .
>> Thre have
>> even been figures quoting Macs at 4-10 percent. There are a LOT of PCs
>> not connected to the internet as well. How can Internet usage figures
>> actually describe TOTAL desktop OS usage?
>>
>> --
>>
>
> Obviously internet figures cannot represent total desktop OS usage with
> any degree of accuracy. But since Linux wannabe users spend all their
> time on the internet trying to get one more lib or rpm or emailing each
> other for advice in solving driver and dependency hell the internet
> stats show Linux usage to be incredibly high. Someone recently pointed
> out that this ng gets 75 posts per hour. But there are only about 5
> posters.
Not even close, as it turns out. There's a site that tracks all the
newsgroups and publishes Top 100 lists, kind of like Nielsen ratings. COLA
is #73 on the current Top 100 list. There were a total of 446 messages
from 120 different people. An average of 4 posts per user.
http://www.newsadmin.com/top100msgs.htm
After reading this newsgroup for only a few days, I'm going to make a guess
that 4 or 5 Linux haters such as yourself accounted for a huge chunk of
those messages. Why you do this I have no idea. It seems like a weird way
to waste your life. But you, flatfish, the guy who calls himself the
Moderator, and a couple of others are spending a large percentage of your
lives writing hateful messages in an Internet newsgroup dedicated to
something you claim not to care about. That's just psychologically weird.
Don't you guys have any friends?
--
Buford
cybear
Retarded hippies that have written an OS that has MS executives running
round the world handing out money and other "perks" to government
officials to try to keep them from using Linux. MS has been forced to
show its source code to governments to try to keep them from switching to
this OS written by retards. If a bunch of retard can have MS running
scared, what does that say about the people at MS? Why are they so scared
of a bunch of retards?
cybear
> Except the desktop. On the desktop it's Windows, Windows, Windows .. and
> more Windows. 'Fact of life - get used to it.
>
> Hub
Linux has taken over everywhere else, now it is time for Linux to take
over the desktop.
Get used to it. Linux on the desktop is the next big computer revolution!
cfswestern
Not in the present form.
Greg Cox
cyb...@pacbell.net says...
> IBM is doing quite well with Linux. IBM as I have stated over and over has
> already recovered all the cost of porting Linux to its current line!
IBM probably made back their porting costs on their second mainframe
sale.
> Because ONE Linux company is having trouble in a BAD tech market does not
> mean all Linux company.
>
> IBM is indeed a Linux company. This does not change just because they do
> other stuff as well.
Careful, you're very close to implying that Linux is IBM's primary
business. To IBM, Linux is just a means to sell more hardware, nothing
more.
--
gr...@magivark.com
cybear
Who believes a liar like you?
Rick
No comment, I seem. It must be a tacit admission.
>>
>>
>>>So going by internet polls and surveys you may be
>>>fooled into thinking that Linux has cracked the 1% barrier. It has not.
>>
>>
>> What is the source of your information?
No comment. I see you have no source for you tripe.
>>
>> BTW, didn't you promise you were leaving?
No answer I see, which means you are aliar.
>
> Everybody knows that Linux is a great little time waster and little
> else. It lets you do important things to the OS just like you were Steve
> Jobs or Bill Gates. But when that novelty wears off there is really
> nothing to it.
Once again you prove you are a liar and braindead.
--
Rick
cfswestern
Other than providing the opportunity for endless tweaking what does it
do? It has been Gnomed and KDEd into a clunky version of Win98 but
without the applications. Interesting but no big deal.
cfswestern
The 99.14% of computer users who would not use Linux on a bet.
Mark
Fuck another one with bogus %. Not any relation to Flatty per chance?
cfswestern
skyrocket to 0.87%. Plus one UK Police Dept.
cybear
How about all those Linux boxes in Inda where both IBM and HP are starting
to sell Linux desktops.
cybear
Another lie from a liar.
cfswestern
Those poor Indians. I hope they have access to Mac or Windows somehow.
RonB
> cfswestern wrote:
>>When all those dozens of computers in Jordan and Peru kick in it may
>>skyrocket to 0.87%. Plus one UK Police Dept.
>
>
> How about all those Linux boxes in Inda where both IBM and HP are starting
> to sell Linux desktops.
Why should profit be the defining attribute of an OS anyhow? Shouldn't
the real test be how well the OS works? -- not how well it is marketed?
--
RonB
(using Knoppix -- hard drive optional)
cybear
>>
>
> Other than providing the opportunity for endless tweaking what does it
> do? It has been Gnomed and KDEd into a clunky version of Win98 but
> without the applications. Interesting but no big deal.
Oh your forgot all the other Linux desktops (or even native widows without
a desktop). Other Linux desktops include Window Maker, Ice window
Manager, ROX, XFCE, Emacspeak, Ximian, AfterStep and others. Many offer
speed over bloat. Of course a liar like you would never admit that Linux
has MANY choices SUPPORTED desktops.
What can Linux do?
Run some of the fastest computers in the world
Run as a server serving virtually any service on the internet.
surf the web and annoy liars that claim they can't play scrabble.
Send and receive Email
Run several versions of Office applications
Create some of the best movie special effects ever seen.
Edit photos
I could go on and on. Most of the list can be done with a free download
version of Linux with out with out constantly running to the store to buy
yet another application for that OS that comes with virtually NOTHING.
Come one liar, post again. Each post is just more validation of what a
liar you are.
cfswestern
>
>
> What can Linux do?
>
> Run some of the fastest computers in the world
> Run as a server serving virtually any service on the internet.
> surf the web and annoy liars that claim they can't play scrabble.
> Send and receive Email
> Run several versions of Office applications
> Create some of the best movie special effects ever seen.
> Edit photos
>
> I could go on and on. Most of the list can be done with a free download
> version of Linux with out with out constantly running to the store to buy
> yet another application for that OS that comes with virtually NOTHING.
>
> Come one liar, post again. Each post is just more validation of what a
> liar you are.
>
>
The kernel part is very good. It is the nine desktops that cause
problems so that only 0.86% of people will use it. There is only one
office application and that is MS Office.
Yes it is true that an MS OS comes with virtually no applications beside
IE and OE with some of them. That is only to avoid bloat.
MS,Adobe,Quicken,and the CAD/CAM companies have plenty of applications.
Along with MS of course.
RonB
> What can Linux do?
Boot from a CD on a computer without a hard drive.
cybear
> cybear wrote:
>>
>>
>> What can Linux do?
>>
>> Run some of the fastest computers in the world
>> Run as a server serving virtually any service on the internet.
>> surf the web and annoy liars that claim they can't play scrabble.
>> Send and receive Email
>> Run several versions of Office applications
>> Create some of the best movie special effects ever seen.
>> Edit photos
>>
>> I could go on and on. Most of the list can be done with a free download
>> version of Linux with out with out constantly running to the store to
>> buy yet another application for that OS that comes with virtually
>> NOTHING.
>>
>> Come one liar, post again. Each post is just more validation of what a
>> liar you are.
>>
>>
>
> The kernel part is very good. It is the nine desktops that cause
> problems so that only 0.86% of people will use it. There is only one
> office application and that is MS Office.
>
Prove the .86 number or are you just telling another lie?
> Yes it is true that an MS OS comes with virtually no applications beside
> IE and OE with some of them. That is only to avoid bloat.
What a lie! Guess the wintrolls are not even trying to hide their lies
anymore! The real reason it does not come with apps is so MS can add to
all those billions they have by getting more MONEY out of YOUR pocket.
> MS,Adobe,Quicken,and the CAD/CAM companies have plenty of applications.
> Along with MS of course.
Yeah, Pay up sucker! Pay for the OS, Pay for Adobe, Pay for Quicken payh
for CAD/CAM! Meanwhile MS has billions thanks to idots like you willing
to take money out of your pocket and giving it to them!
cfswestern
I feel I am being most generous with that 0.86% figure. It may be less
than that. I like to think that the people and businesses who buy
applications either want them or use them to make a legitimate profit. I
do not think anyone purchases a CAD/CAM out of intellectual curiosity.
Lee Wei Shun
Heh, I suppose to Microsoft, the hardware is just a means to sell more
software, nothing more.
And AFAIK , Operating systems do form a very large part of Microsoft's
primary business.
Regards,
Wei Shun
--
Change to leews to mail.
Linux user #61399
The beginning of the end
cybear
> I feel I am being most generous with that 0.86% figure. It may be less
> than that.
Then you are making up lies. Unless you have proof you are telling yet
another lie.
cybear
> I like to think that the people and businesses who buy
> applications either want them or use them to make a legitimate profit. I
> do not think anyone purchases a CAD/CAM out of intellectual curiosity.
If they are buying them to use them to make a proffit, then they want to
PAY AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE to do the job at hand. Most business would
rather save money than pay for software that is overpriced because of an
illegal monopoly. If an OSS project does what they need then they can
save money, saving money helps PROFITS!
Lee Wei Shun
<snip>
>
> After reading this newsgroup for only a few days, I'm going to make a
> guess that 4 or 5 Linux haters such as yourself accounted for a huge chunk
> of
> those messages. Why you do this I have no idea. It seems like a weird
> way
> to waste your life. But you, flatfish, the guy who calls himself the
> Moderator, and a couple of others are spending a large percentage of your
> lives writing hateful messages in an Internet newsgroup dedicated to
> something you claim not to care about. That's just psychologically weird.
>
> Don't you guys have any friends?
>
Quite a valid analysis. However, the other reason that perfectly sane people
might do this, would be if it was their job. This, they deny vehemently,
and so, sadly, we must conclude that they are "psychological".
Greg Cox
see...@pacific.net.sg says...
> Now, to begin Greg Cox wrote:
>
> > In article <_9nV9.42$b96...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>,
> > cyb...@pacbell.net says...
> >> IBM is doing quite well with Linux. IBM as I have stated over and over
> >> has already recovered all the cost of porting Linux to its current line!
> >
> > IBM probably made back their porting costs on their second mainframe
> > sale.
> >
> >> Because ONE Linux company is having trouble in a BAD tech market does not
> >> mean all Linux company.
> >>
> >> IBM is indeed a Linux company. This does not change just because they do
> >> other stuff as well.
> >
> > Careful, you're very close to implying that Linux is IBM's primary
> > business. To IBM, Linux is just a means to sell more hardware, nothing
> > more.
>
> Heh, I suppose to Microsoft, the hardware is just a means to sell more
> software, nothing more.
By George, I think he's got it. ;^)
>
> And AFAIK , Operating systems do form a very large part of Microsoft's
> primary business.
BTW, I thought the issue was which statement is more accurate "IBM is a
Linux company." or "IBM is a computer hardware company.". What has
Microsoft got to do with it?
--
gr...@magivark.com
Paulo Joe Jingy
> cfswestern wrote:
>
> What can Linux do?
>
Get your idiot post up on this newsgroup, for one thing.
-----
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Buford
I don't think they're being paid to do this. Not all of them, anyway.
But, you know, even if a couple of them ARE paid to do this, it's STILL a
weird way to waste your life. What kind of normal person would want to
make money by spreading hatred and bile? Even if it is their job, they
can't have many real friends. I mean, what kind of person would actually
*like* somebody like that in real life?
I guess they could be friends with each other, but damn.
--
Buford
Rick
> "Conor Turton" <conor_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.189019f6b...@news.claranews.com...
>> In article <hhjb2vs4bps4oue5n...@4ax.com>, a@b.c says...
>>
>> > Yes, but this shows that Linux isn't all that profitable.
>> > And without commercial support, Linux will be nothing more
>> > than a curiosity.
>> >
>> You've missed the whole ethos of Linux haven't you?
>>
>> Linus Torvalds didn't write Linux to make money. Most of the people
>> writing OSS don't do it for the money...
>
> They are retarded hippies, idiots.
.... you are looking at those family photos again, arent you?
--
Rick
Peter Jensen
[Idiotic top posting corrected]
> "cybear" <cyb...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:2gnV9.43$b96...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>> < chop chop > Yep, Linux beats Windows all over the place!
>
> Except the desktop. On the desktop it's Windows, Windows, Windows .. and
> more Windows. 'Fact of life - get used to it.
Soon everyone will be using Windows on their desktop. XWindows, that is ...
end
--
PeKaJe
cybear
>>
>>
>> How about all those Linux boxes in Inda where both IBM and HP are
>> starting to sell Linux desktops.
>
> Those poor Indians. I hope they have access to Mac or Windows somehow.
Yes, they do, that's why they are choosing Linux! Even after BG tried to
buy them off!
d2003xx
> begin On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:34:52 GMT, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (cybear <cyb...@pacbell.net>) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>>
>>> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/15/1727240&mode=nested&tid=147
>>>
>>> What a shame.
>>
>>Yeah, like no windows related company has ever gone bankrupt.
>
> No company which made and sold Windows distributions has
> ever gone bankrupt.
But there are some in .tw :))
--
d2003xx
Non-free software is wrong and we do not want it in our lives -- RHS
cybear
> begin On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:34:52 GMT, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (cybear <cyb...@pacbell.net>) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>>
>>>
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/01/15/1727240&mode=nested&tid=147
>>>
>>> What a shame.
>>
>>Yeah, like no windows related company has ever gone bankrupt.
>
> No company which made and sold Windows distributions has
> ever gone bankrupt.
But Plenty that tried to support it shure have, as MS turned on them.
bill shine
> "John" <skepticNO...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3E25D1B6...@yahoo.com...
>> drsquare wrote:
>> > begin On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:12:40 -0500, in
>> > comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> > (John <skepticNO...@yahoo.com>) wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>drsquare wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>Do you see a difference between selling Linux and using Linux ?
>> >>>
>> >>>Yes, but how is this relevant?
>> >>
>> >>Using linux can be and is profitable. Selling linux does not have to be
>> >>profitable.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, but this shows that Linux isn't all that profitable.
>> > And without commercial support, Linux will be nothing more
>> > than a curiosity.
>>
>> This does not show that "that Linux isn't all that profitable". It just
>> shows that Mandrake selling linux is not profitable.
>>
>> You make a connection that is not necessarily true. The 2 points can be
>> mutually exclusive.
>
> Educate me: What is Windows' market share compared to Linux?
>
> Just curious.
In my office, windows has 0 % of the market, and linux has 100%
of the market. Be specific. And, have a good time defragging
your disk! Something I don't have to do, because linux has ultra
reliable journaled file systems.
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d2003xx
> begin On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:12:40 -0500, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (John <skepticNO...@yahoo.com>) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>>
>>>>Do you see a difference between selling Linux and using Linux ?
>>>
>>> Yes, but how is this relevant?
>>
>>Using linux can be and is profitable. Selling linux does not have to be
>>profitable.
>
> Yes, but this shows that Linux isn't all that profitable.
> And without commercial support, Linux will be nothing more
> than a curiosity.
Nah, didn't you mom teach you that you should solve your problems by yourself?
chrisv
wrote:
>The kernel part is very good. It is the nine desktops that cause
>problems so that only 0.86% of people will use it. There is only one
>office application and that is MS Office.
>
>Yes it is true that an MS OS comes with virtually no applications beside
>IE and OE with some of them. That is only to avoid bloat.
>MS,Adobe,Quicken,and the CAD/CAM companies have plenty of applications.
>Along with MS of course.
I thought you were leaving.
cybear
That was just another of his lies.
Jim Richardson
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Actually, I recall reading something earlier this year, that said that
IBM was getting more for their services these days, than the hardware.
Not sure how much of that related to Linux though.
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you that the new client wants to make a few changes before delivery.
Linux, super computers, office computers, or home computers, it works.
GreyCloud
>
> Except the desktop. On the desktop it's Windows, Windows, Windows .. and
> more Windows. 'Fact of life - get used to it.
What do you mean?? Get used to an illegal monopoly??
Who's your daddy?? Al Capone??
cfswestern
> cfswestern wrote:
>
>
>>Everybody knows that Linux is a great little time waster and little
>>else. It lets you do important things to the OS just like you were Steve
>>Jobs or Bill Gates. But when that novelty wears off there is really
>>nothing to it.
>
>
> Ah, more proof that cfiswetter lied when he claimed he has nothing more to
> say here and that he would 'give us the group back' What a fucking liar.
No. I just did not say exactly when. But I think now is pretty much the
right time. It is all the same thing week after week.
Nigel Feltham
> cybear wrote:
>
>> What can Linux do?
>
> Boot from a CD on a computer without a hard drive.
If you're running the PC as an x-terminal on a network you don't even need
the CD - you can boot over the network from your server
(http://www.ltsp.org/)
Lets see the standard version of XP Pro boot and run on a completely
driveless PC using nothing more than the netcard's boot rom.
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Kelsey Bjarnason
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 21:55:05 +0000, cfswestern wrote:
> Windows has 96% Apple has 3% the others have 0.14% and Linux has 0.86%.
> Since there is little or no meaningful work that can be done with Linux
> applications
Hmm, how odd. I do a lot of development work in Linux. I do most of my
word processing and database stuff in Linux. I burn CDs in Linux. I do
e-mails, write dynamic web sites, track my finances and browse the web in
Linux. I do graphics processing and video conversion in Linux. I play my
videos and music files in Linux.
Sure, there are _some_ things Linux doesn't do well - the same is true of
any OS. Getting work done is not one of Linux's failings, unless you
happen to be doing a particular *kind* of work for which there's no Linux
tool.
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:33:10 +0000, cfswestern wrote:
> Linux usage to be incredibly high. Someone recently pointed out that this
> ng gets 75 posts per hour. But there are only about 5 posters. Do you
> really think the average Windows or Mac user is always on the usenet
> making 15 posts per hour? Of course not. They are using the PC for its
> designed purpose.
You miss two key points: first, that a largish number of those posts are
from wintrolls, thus belying your point and second, that since Linux does
most things a lot more efficiently, being able to read the newsgroups
*while* doing useful work is not exactly uncommon.
Simple example: I've got a download of a new distro happening right now.
Alongside that I have a CD being burned. I've got a compile going. CPU
usage is low, as is memory load, so I can still do other things. Like
read news.
cybear
> begin On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 02:14:39 GMT, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (cybear <cyb...@pacbell.net>) wrote:
>
>>Hub wrote:
>>
>>> Except the desktop. On the desktop it's Windows, Windows, Windows ..
>>> and more Windows. 'Fact of life - get used to it.
>>
>>Linux has taken over everywhere else, now it is time for Linux to take
>>over the desktop.
>>
>>Get used to it. Linux on the desktop is the next big computer
>>revolution!
>
> Says who?
Keep watching the news, you'll see.
cybear
Re-read your post. The claim that you have nothing more to learn is a
current (as of the time you posted) tense. That did indeed say when. The
when what the time of that post. So, you lied.
d2003xx
> begin On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:19:30 +1300, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (Mark <bon...@hotmail.com>) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>>
>>> >Yeah, like no windows related company has ever gone bankrupt.
>>>
>>> No company which made and sold Windows distributions has
>>> ever gone bankrupt.
>>
>>Well I wonder who that is you backpeddling idiot.
>
> I'm not backpeddling, I'm stopping you from trying to change
> the subject.
What's wrong with changing the subject??
cybear
> begin On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:26:12 GMT, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (cybear <cyb...@pacbell.net>) wrote:
>
>>drsquare wrote:
>>
>>>>Get used to it. Linux on the desktop is the next big computer
>>>>revolution!
>>>
>>> Says who?
>>
>>Keep watching the news, you'll see.
>
> I've been watching for years, and Linux limps along like a
> dying donkey.
Yeah, as South Africa, India, Japan, Germany, China and many others are
switching. The "dying donkey" has MS so scared it has offered to show the
code to governments round the world. The "dying donkey" has MS executives
trying to buy off governments like India with billion dollar
contributions!!! Even with the billion dollar gift MS lost out to Linux!
HP, IBM and Sun are all starting to sell desktops in various parts of the
world!
Mark
>
> > begin On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:26:12 GMT, in
> > comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > (cybear <cyb...@pacbell.net>) wrote:
> >
> >>drsquare wrote:
> >>
> >>>>Get used to it. Linux on the desktop is the next big computer
> >>>>revolution!
> >>>
> >>> Says who?
> >>
> >>Keep watching the news, you'll see.
> >
> > I've been watching for years, and Linux limps along like a
> > dying donkey.
>
Hey King for a day! About time you went and sat on the porcelin(throne)?.
You seem to be leaving shit all over the place.
As for the donkeys dying how else can you survey your minute Kingdom?
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(PS I'm not a wintroll or a linonut. Just trying to get the most out o my
humble beast)
cfswestern
The release of Longhorn changed everything.
Mark
Changed what exactly?
cybear
> begin On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 00:47:31 GMT, in
> comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (cybear <cyb...@pacbell.net>) wrote:
>
>>Yeah, as South Africa, India, Japan, Germany, China and many others are
>>switching.
>
> Emphasis on switchING. When will he hear of any developed
> countries that have a Linux penetration higher than that of
> Windows?
Coming closer day by day.
>
>>The "dying donkey" has MS so scared it has offered to show the
>>code to governments round the world.
>
> It's called 'eliminating comptetition'. Would you rather MS
> got complacent? They have a business to protect.
BS, they are in business to make money and they will do anything including
breaking the law to do so.
cfswestern
> cfswestern wrote:
>
>
>>cybear wrote:
>>
>>>cfswestern wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>cybear wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>cfswestern wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Everybody knows that Linux is a great little time waster and little
>>>>>>else. It lets you do important things to the OS just like you were
>>>>>>Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. But when that novelty wears off there is
>>>>>>really nothing to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah, more proof that cfiswetter lied when he claimed he has nothing more
>>>>>to say here and that he would 'give us the group back' What a fucking
>>>>>liar.
>>>>
>>>>No. I just did not say exactly when. But I think now is pretty much the
>>>>right time. It is all the same thing week after week.
>>>
>>>
>>>Re-read your post. The claim that you have nothing more to learn is a
>>>current (as of the time you posted) tense. That did indeed say when. The
>>>when what the time of that post. So, you lied.
>>
>>The release of Longhorn changed everything.
>
>
> Changed what exactly?
>
cybear
Nope, you are still a liar. as seen by your made up claim of .89%. No
proof, no documented evidence just a made up lie. Just like your lie that
you were leaving the group. A liar that is all you are, just like the lie
cybear
>> The release of Longhorn changed everything.
>
> Changed what exactly?
>
Nothing, it is just another of his lies.
Mark
Longhorn is no more than a continuation of the NT line of products.
cfswestern
>
>
>
> Nope, you are still a liar. as seen by your made up claim of .89%. No
> proof, no documented evidence just a made up lie. Just like your lie that
> you were leaving the group. A liar that is all you are, just like the lie
> "The release of Longhorn changed everything."
It is actually 0.86%. And they are hobbyists.
cybear
> It raises the bar for Mandrake,I mean SuSE and RedHat.
Just another lie from a liar.
cybear
Nope, just a lie that you can not prove, liar.
cfswestern
Anyone who recompiles a kernel is a hobbyist.
Mark
So by saying that you are say every one using linux compiles their kernal?
If so prove it.
cfswestern
that everyone who recompiles the kernel is a hobbyist. Try and keep up.
Mark
BZZZT!!! Wrong again. What about folk who re-compile kernals as a bussiness
solution?
cfswestern
cybear
>> > Nope, just a lie that you can not prove, liar.
>>
>> Anyone who recompiles a kernel is a hobbyist.
>
So? That does not prove any of your claims. Please prove your .86% claim
or you are nothing but a liar.
Mark
Typical. Make a statement then cannot back it up.
Btw where did this magical 0.86% come from?
No on the other hand I don't want to know.
cfswestern
All forms of Windows have 96% of the desktops that people will look at
tomorrow. All the forms of Mac/Apple have 3%. All the OS/2 and others
have 0.14%. Linux has 0.86%.
Conor Turton
> Emphasis on switchING. When will he hear of any developed
> countries that have a Linux penetration higher than that of
> Windows?
>
China. They have the largest population in the world...
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Conor Turton
cfswe...@msn.com says...
> > Changed what exactly?
> >
> It raises the bar for Mandrake,I mean SuSE and RedHat.
>
How so? I would argue the DRM stuff being included strengthens the
argument FOR linux.
Conor Turton
cfswe...@msn.com says...
> It is actually 0.86%. And they are hobbyists.
>
Tell that to your ISPs network administrators..