[News] Gentoo Turns 10
Roy Schestowitz
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10th Anniversary of Gentoo
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| NeddySeagoon and I have been trying to figure out the official 10th
| anniverary date of Gentoo, and here are the dates I've figured out so far...
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http://blog.funtoo.org/2009/06/10th-anniversary-of-gentoo.html
Recent:
Thoughts from a two-day-old Gentoo newbie
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| Gentoo to me is easy and simple to use, just as the many distributions follow
| the holy philosophy, KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid), but this is actual one.
| With Gentoo (after newbie phase), you control and know stuff well. The
| package management and system administrate management are also easy to use.
| Every distribution has own pros and cons, no one is perfect in all aspects.
| But there may be one is perfect for you, and I just found mine. I believe as
| long as you pay a little more efforts, you can transform Gentoo into an eagle
| and command it to fly.
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http://fedoratux.blogspot.com/2009/04/thoughts-from-two-day-old-gentoo-newbie.html
Using Gentoo Linux in K-12 School’s Computer Lab
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| GHCA recently updated all their computers to run the Gentoo distribution of
| the Linux operating system. This video interviews system administrator
| Michael Surran, exploring the details as to why the school switched to Gentoo
| and how Gentoo is used to improve productivity and functionality. Of
| particular interest is the use of distributed compiled computing (distcc)
| among the 20 Athlon computers to greatly speed the software building
| process. …
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http://www.telephone-numbers-uk.com/using-gentoo-linux-in-k-12-schools-computer-lab.html
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Hans Lister
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> 10th Anniversary of Gentoo
Who cares?
Are there any Gentoo users still around?
Logan Rathbone
Sure there are... wannabe elistist fucktards are hard to get rid of.
AZ Nomad
What's the matter? The documentation written for somebody with an 8th
grade education too difficult for you? Neighbor's kid got tired of
reading it to you?
Hans Lister
He probably got tired of waiting a week for the system to
compile and install only to discover that with today's modern
hardware it only runs marginally, if that, faster.
chrisv
> mentally-ill troll wrote:
>>
>> Who cares?
>> Are there any Gentoo users still around?
>
>Sure there are... wannabe elistist fucktards are hard to get rid of.
*plonk*
chrisv
> Logan Rathbone wrote:
>>
>>> Are there any Gentoo users still around?
>>
>>Sure there are... wannabe elistist fucktards are hard to get rid of.
>
>What's the matter? The documentation written for somebody with an 8th
>grade education too difficult for you? Neighbor's kid got tired of
>reading it to you?
If he can't "point and drool", he doesn't want it.
Logan Rathbone
Precisely. Gentoo "too difficult" for me? Puh-lease. That's exactly
what I mean by "wannabe elitist fucktards". Gentoo users think they're
*so* special just because their OS gives them the illusion that they're
using something complex or difficult.
No, Gentoo is *not* difficult to use. It's really easy and does a *lot*
of hand-holding. (Just because the hand-holding is done through console-
based tools does *not* mean it's not hand-holding.)
The problem is with the redundancy of compiling everything. It's a waste
of time. You see, unlike the Gentoo WEFs, I don't particularly *enjoy*
waiting hours to compile the newest version of Firefox, OOo or glibc just
so I can walk around telling people how *great* and *special* I am that
I'm a Gentoo user and I compile everything. If you're the kind of person
who *enjoys* that kind of thing, then *by all means*, use Gentoo. I'm
not going to stop you.
TomB
> The problem is with the redundancy of compiling everything. It's a waste
> of time.
Installing from source is not redundant. You can optimize for
older/specific hardware. You can configure out
options/features/dependancies you don't like. You can customize the
application to better suit your needs...
There are many reasons to install from source.
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Logan Rathbone
> On 2009-07-01, the following emerged from the brain of Logan Rathbone:
>> The problem is with the redundancy of compiling everything. It's a
>> waste of time.
>
> Installing from source is not redundant. You can optimize for
> older/specific hardware. You can configure out
> options/features/dependancies you don't like. You can customize the
> application to better suit your needs...
>
> There are many reasons to install from source.
Sorry, that was a poor choice of words on my part.
It's not *redundant* to compile from source in general - I compile some
software all the time. It's just that the benefits of compiling
*everything* are outweighed by the drawbacks. It's all about
proportionality. But like I said, if people *enjoy* compiling every
single thing on their system and *don't mind* doing a heck of a lot of
waiting, they can go right ahead. Freedom of choice is one of the best
aspects of Linux.
I just think it's silly, that's all.
ray
Yes, thank you. I use Gentoo on my mini-itx.
TomB
> On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:51:25 +0000, TomB wrote:
>
>> On 2009-07-01, the following emerged from the brain of Logan Rathbone:
>>> The problem is with the redundancy of compiling everything. It's a
>>> waste of time.
>>
>> Installing from source is not redundant. You can optimize for
>> older/specific hardware. You can configure out
>> options/features/dependancies you don't like. You can customize the
>> application to better suit your needs...
>>
>> There are many reasons to install from source.
>
> Sorry, that was a poor choice of words on my part.
No, I misread your statement. You did state "compiling everything".
> It's not *redundant* to compile from source in general - I compile some
> software all the time. It's just that the benefits of compiling
> *everything* are outweighed by the drawbacks. It's all about
> proportionality. But like I said, if people *enjoy* compiling every
> single thing on their system and *don't mind* doing a heck of a lot of
> waiting, they can go right ahead. Freedom of choice is one of the best
> aspects of Linux.
I agree. On FreeBSD I use ports and packages side by side. I like the
packages for their ease of installation, but I'm glad to have the
ports collection at hand for special cases.
I'm writing this message on a FreeBSD machine running CURRENT. I
rebuilt it just a few weeks ago in under 4 hours for the base system
and kernel, and a little over 2 hours for the installed ports. It's
running headless though, so I have no X or WM on it. I keep it around
just to see what's new in FreeBSD and use it a lot for mundane tasks
duch as mail, news, torrents, ftp ... If I can report a bug along the
way I'm glad, because that means the releases will be better. So
that's my reason to compile this machine from scratch once in a while.
> I just think it's silly, that's all.
You're entitled to have your own opinion.
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Gregory Shearman
> On 2009-07-01, the following emerged from the brain of Logan Rathbone:
>> The problem is with the redundancy of compiling everything. It's a waste
>> of time.
>
> Installing from source is not redundant. You can optimize for
> older/specific hardware. You can configure out
> options/features/dependancies you don't like. You can customize the
> application to better suit your needs...
>
> There are many reasons to install from source.
A tiny HDD footprint for the OS on a space-compromised system...
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JEDIDIAH
>> The problem is with the redundancy of compiling everything. It's a waste
>> of time.
>
> Installing from source is not redundant. You can optimize for
...sure it is.
However "redundant" is not a bad thing.
> older/specific hardware. You can configure out
> options/features/dependancies you don't like. You can customize the
> application to better suit your needs...
>
> There are many reasons to install from source.
>
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AZ Nomad
Full control. For example, setting up a diskless nfs-root system is easy
with gentoo.
Tim Smith
...first user to attempt complete installation almost done compiling.
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Gregory Shearman
I use it on most of my machines.
Gregory Shearman
>
> ...first user to attempt complete installation almost done compiling.
Your comment would be droll if you were the first to use it.
Who cares *how* long it takes to compile? This isn't Windows. The
computer is perfectly useable while compiling, even compiling critical
system components.
Hans Lister
Gentoo is a great way to learn Linux and following the cookbook
is trivial as long as you read carefully.
I've done a quasi stage II install several times with a
combination of pre-complied stuff and custom compiled stuff.
It's a great learning experience but that's about it.
Hans Lister
> ...first user to attempt complete installation almost done compiling.
Hahah!
Logan Rathbone
> [snip]
> Gentoo is a great way to learn Linux and following the cookbook is
> trivial as long as you read carefully. I've done a quasi stage II
> install several times with a combination of pre-complied stuff and
> custom compiled stuff.
>
> It's a great learning experience but that's about it.
That's what I thought when I first tried Gentoo, but in retrospect, I
think something like Slackware would probably have been a better
"learning experience" distro for me.
Gentoo (last time I tried it at least) has a lot of distro-specific tools
that may help to get you used to the idea of using the command line in
general, but in the end, you learn how to operate *Gentoo*. It doesn't
really equip you to understand *Linux* as well as Slackware.
Hans Lister
> On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:38:47 -0400, Hans Lister wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>> Gentoo is a great way to learn Linux and following the cookbook is
>> trivial as long as you read carefully. I've done a quasi stage II
>> install several times with a combination of pre-complied stuff and
>> custom compiled stuff.
>>
>> It's a great learning experience but that's about it.
>
> That's what I thought when I first tried Gentoo, but in retrospect, I
> think something like Slackware would probably have been a better
> "learning experience" distro for me.
Slackware is about as pure as you can get and still have an
actual "distribution".
> Gentoo (last time I tried it at least) has a lot of distro-specific tools
> that may help to get you used to the idea of using the command line in
> general, but in the end, you learn how to operate *Gentoo*. It doesn't
> really equip you to understand *Linux* as well as Slackware.
True, but it gives the user experience in the CLI, terms, how
Linux is laid out in general, X, ALSA etc.
So does Slackware of course.
DFS
> 10th Anniversary of Gentoo
Which anniversary is it of the Gentoo founder leaving to go to work for
Microsoft?
Ben
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39252292,00.htm
And how many of him quitting Microsoft?
Hans Lister
They probably asked him to document his code and he said "what"
?
Or
He told Microsoft he was going to open source all the code he
was getting paid to write.
Freetards have a difficult time in the corporate world because
they will be held accountable for their work and they don't like
being under those types of constraints.
ray
> On 2009-07-01, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:37:48 -0400, Hans Lister wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:38:34 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>
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>>>> 10th Anniversary of Gentoo
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>>> Who cares?
>>> Are there any Gentoo users still around?
>>
>> Yes, thank you. I use Gentoo on my mini-itx.
>
> I use it on most of my machines.
Good for you. I prefer to use Debian or Ubuntu on more powerful systems.
Ben
Actually, he was working in Microsoft's Linux lab working on
Linux-Windows inter-operability. He said he left because he felt it
wasn't challenging him enough.
Ben
Ubuntu kicks up a shitstorm when you try to use it on HP ProLiant
servers. Those are the servers I use, so I stick to Debian and
OpenSolaris on them.
When Ubuntu Server Edition gets its act together a little, maybe I'll
reconsider, but Ubuntu server is just an after-thought and the desktop
distro will always be what Ubuntu is about.
Hans Lister
Sounds like a cop out.
Hans Lister
Ubuntu has probably done more to bring Linux to the average
masses than any modern distribution. However there are better
alternatives, even for the desktop. They just don't have the
money and name recognition that Ubuntu has.
Jerry McBride
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> 10th Anniversary of Gentoo
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> | NeddySeagoon and I have been trying to figure out the official 10th
> | anniverary date of Gentoo, and here are the dates I've figured out so
> | far...
> `----
>
> http://blog.funtoo.org/2009/06/10th-anniversary-of-gentoo.html
>
>
> Recent:
>
> Thoughts from a two-day-old Gentoo newbie
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | Gentoo to me is easy and simple to use, just as the many distributions
> | follow the holy philosophy, KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid), but this is
> | actual one. With Gentoo (after newbie phase), you control and know stuff
> | well. The package management and system administrate management are also
> | easy to use. Every distribution has own pros and cons, no one is perfect
> | in all aspects. But there may be one is perfect for you, and I just
> | found mine. I believe as long as you pay a little more efforts, you can
> | transform Gentoo into an eagle and command it to fly.
> `----
>
>
http://fedoratux.blogspot.com/2009/04/thoughts-from-two-day-old-gentoo-newbie.html
>
>
> Using Gentoo Linux in K-12 School?s Computer Lab
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
> | GHCA recently updated all their computers to run the Gentoo distribution
> | of the Linux operating system. This video interviews system
> | administrator Michael Surran, exploring the details as to why the school
> | switched to Gentoo and how Gentoo is used to improve productivity and
> | functionality. Of particular interest is the use of distributed compiled
> | computing (distcc) among the 20 Athlon computers to greatly speed the
> | software building process. ?
> `----
>
Gentoo! God I love it. It's one of the few distributions that are both a
learning tool and a wonderful distribution. Gentoo... self hosted from
source code... pure.
All my personal "boxes" and laptops run it. Don't yours?
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Hans Lister
> Gentoo! God I love it. It's one of the few distributions that are both a
> learning tool and a wonderful distribution. Gentoo... self hosted from
> source code... pure.
>
> All my personal "boxes" and laptops run it. Don't yours?
I wouldn't make love to it like you seem to be doing, but I
agree it's different and definitely a good learning tool.
So is Slackware.
Gregory Shearman
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> | GHCA recently updated all their computers to run the Gentoo distribution
>> | of the Linux operating system. This video interviews system
>> | administrator Michael Surran, exploring the details as to why the school
>> | switched to Gentoo and how Gentoo is used to improve productivity and
>> | functionality. Of particular interest is the use of distributed compiled
>> | computing (distcc) among the 20 Athlon computers to greatly speed the
>> | software building process. ?
I first began using distcc for updating my eeepc. My network has a
central portage on the most powerful machine and this is shared via NFS
to any machine doing an update. Distcc makes the power of the network
available to any machine doing an update.
Gentoo lends itself well to distributed computing.
> Gentoo! God I love it. It's one of the few distributions that are both a
> learning tool and a wonderful distribution. Gentoo... self hosted from
> source code... pure.
I disagree. *Any* distribution is a learning tool. You learn linux by
using linux.
A *real* linux learning tool is Linux From Scratch. I've built a couple
of linux machines from scratch before moving to Gentoo mainly because of
its package manager (portage).
> All my personal "boxes" and laptops run it. Don't yours?
Not all. I've got a NSLU2 (ARM-B intel xscale processor) that runs
slugOS and I've got a linksys WRT54GL (MIPS broadcom) running openwrt.
All my x86 machines run Gentoo.
Ben
Yeah, because the crap Microsoft churns out would be challenging for a 3
year old to write.
Hans Lister
Sounds like he couldn't cut it.
Why?
If he was such a great developer why didn't Microsoft utilize
his skills properly?
It's certainly a huge public relations win for them as well as
grabbing somone from the other side who apparently has some
skills.
I say the guy couldn't cut the mustard in the corporate world.
DFS
> Yeah, because the crap Microsoft churns out would be challenging for
> a 3 year old to write.
Which means you would fail miserably at it.
Ben
Which means you're a cunt who nobody likes, so you have to annoy us with
your crass.
Marti van Lin
Careful now, if you use the C-word in this group, the trolls will
contact your wife and tell her that you use such profound language!
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Ben
> Ben wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>> Ben wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, because the crap Microsoft churns out would be challenging for
>>>> a 3 year old to write.
>>> Which means you would fail miserably at it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Which means you're a cunt who nobody likes, so you have to annoy us with
>> your crass.
>
> Careful now, if you use the C-word in this group, the trolls will
> contact your wife and tell her that you use such profound language!
>
> Cheers
>
I'm not married, thankfully. :P
Gregory Shearman
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> Ben wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>> Ben wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, because the crap Microsoft churns out would be challenging for
>>>> a 3 year old to write.
>>>
>>> Which means you would fail miserably at it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Which means you're a cunt who nobody likes, so you have to annoy us wit=
> h
>> your crass.
>
> Careful now, if you use the C-word in this group, the trolls will
> contact your wife and tell her that you use such profound language!
The trolls have wives???????
Ben
Stranger things have happened.
Well, okay, maybe not.
Hans. Lister
>
> Careful now, if you use the C-word in this group, the trolls will
> contact your wife and tell her that you use such profound language!
>
> Cheers
You're projecting again Marti.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
No, he's not.
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William Poaster
of the trolls Chris Ahlstrom was heard to say:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Hans. Lister belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:50:39 +0200, Marti van Lin wrote:
>>
>>> Careful now, if you use the C-word in this group, the trolls will
>>> contact your wife and tell her that you use such profound language!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>
>> You're projecting again Marti.
>
> No, he's not.
The bozo's morphed to "Hans. Lister"?
Seems like it's trying to escape killfiles.
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Richard Doppler
"Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> The trolls have wives???????
I realize you stupic fucktards are surprised that some people leave their
basement and meet this thing called a *girl*. Eventually a Windows user
might marry this girl and she becomes a wife.
This is clearly shocking and surprising to you. I understand and sympathize
with your confusion. But not everyone in the world /loves/ sheep the way
you freetards do. Some of us prefer women and wives over farm animals.
RonB
> I realize you stupic fucktards are surprised that some people leave their
> basement and meet this thing called a *girl*. Eventually a Windows user
> might marry this girl and she becomes a wife.
When do they find time? Between their 24/7 trolling and almost constant
emptying their drool buckets you would think their schedule would be
pretty full. And, BTW, I'm sorry to bring this up blow-up women don't
really count a wives.
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Ben
What did you list your interests as on your personals ad?
Somehow I don't think it included "spending inordinate amounts of time
on newsgroups trolling people".
Ezekiel
"Richard Doppler" <rick.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:h2p58p$e9u$1...@aioe.org...
The freetard "advocates" and wives are mutually exclusive. When the
freetards do post about their love interests they "brag" about a guy who
used to "fuck their brains out" - which is disgusting and OT in this
newsgroup. It's comes as no surprise that the "advocates" would be
surprised by someone having a wife.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> "Gregory Shearman" <ZekeG...@netscape.net> wrote in message
I didn't realize the Doppler effect caused a 30-meter sphere of stupidity
centered around this poster!
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William Poaster
of the trolls Chris Ahlstrom was heard to say:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Richard Doppler belched out
AKA the Idiot Exclusion Zone.
Hans. Lister
But with the Linux freetards when it comes down to a choice
between a girl/wife and the basement, they will always
ultimately choose the basement.
Take Hans Reiser, the designer of the Linux Reiser File System
for example.
He killed his wife and when the police finally tracked him down,
he was found hiding in his mother's basement.
Yep.....
Hans. Lister
I haven't yet figured out why Linux seems to attract geeks,
freaks and people who are ahem "a little light in the loafers",
if you get my drift.
Some brainiac psychologist should study this one.
Ezekiel
"Hans. Lister" <stym...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:v5frhkr4k2x7$.1j917yqyy0tz1$.dlg@40tude.net...
My non-psychologist guess would be that people with behavior that is
"outside the norm" would tend to use an OS that's also "outside the norm."
I imagine that there are plenty of normal people who use Linux but the
"advocates" here are one hell of a freak show.
TomB
> My non-psychologist guess would be that people with behavior that is
> "outside the norm" would tend to use an OS that's also "outside the norm."
I can live with that :-)
Fsck normal!
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Hans. Lister
Sure seems to be the case.
I suppose there is nothing wrong with being different because
the world would be a boring place if we were all the same.
DFS
> But with the Linux freetards when it comes down to a choice
> between a girl/wife and the basement, they will always
> ultimately choose the basement.
LMAO!!!
I choose the basement!
ROFL!!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!!
Ben
You know what they say about small things and small minds...
TomB
> Hans. Lister wrote:
>
>> But with the Linux freetards when it comes down to a choice
>> between a girl/wife and the basement, they will always
>> ultimately choose the basement.
>
> LMAO!!!
>
> I choose the basement!
>
> ROFL!!!! BWAHAHAHA!!!!
Easily amused, this one.
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