The Munich Linux Migration Failure.
Throckmorton E. Pouch
//Quote
Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of
many vendor lock-ins created in the past.
So it took about five and a half years to migrate just the office
software. At the time that Munich decided to go Microsoft-free,
they said they would be switching to OpenOffice.org in just a few
months. It was not supposed to take an almighty effort to
accomplish.
Another achievement in 2009 was the establishment of linux
client pilot areas inside every of our 12 departments. This was,
beside the OpenOffice.org migration, the fundamental step to
increase the drive for our client migration in general during the
upcoming years. Yes, these are only small areas (together with our
completely migrated departmetns round about 2,500 clients).
So, assuming Munich still runs the same number of workstations
they did six years ago, they have now converted 17.8% of their
workstations (2,500 machines out of 14,000 total) to Linux.
For the entire project, which is now ending it's 79th month, the
rate is of conversion has been 31 per month, or about one per day
since May 28, 2003.
Assuming they can continue to convert 85 machines per month, the
project will be completed in another 11.2 years, in the year 2020.
//Quote
Chris Ahlstrom
Plonked solely on basis of the nym.
Peter Köhlmann
Bollocks.
As they do not intend to convert *all* machines to linux, this is complete
bullshit.
What they *do* though is converting all machines to OO and other open
source software, and that is pretty much done right now.
Also, they had to establish the groundworks for the linux machines first,
including converting lots of basic stuff they used before. That is also
done.
So to assume that the machine conversion rate stays the same needs an
idiot. Good thing that you were present to serve, flatfish
--
Any idiot can run XP. And usually does.
Gordon
> http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/
>
> //Quote
>
> Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
> was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of
> many vendor lock-ins created in the past.
>
> So it took about five and a half years to migrate just the office
> software.
That's the hardest bit. Not to mention resistance to change (however
small) in any organisation.
Once all the workstations have migrated to OO and are happy with it,
then any reason to keep Windows has immediately disappeared and the
conversion from Windows to Linux will be smooth and sweet.
Most users don't actually care what OS is behind the apps they use on a
daily basis...
Peter Köhlmann
> Throckmorton E. Pouch pulled this Usenet boner:
>
> Plonked solely on basis of the nym.
Well, it was flatfish. As usual
--
This problem was sponsored by Microsoft
chrisv
>Throckmorton E. Pouch pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>Plonked solely on basis of the nym.
Me too.
One Shot, One Kill
"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:feh2p51jre1d3cuc0...@4ax.com...
chrisv is a liar. chrisv is a useless piece of shit.
Moshe
> Most users don't actually care what OS is behind the apps they use on a
> daily basis...
That is correct.
It's also the reason why user prefer Windows vs Linux.
Windows has the applications they want to use.
Moshe
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Throckmorton E. Pouch pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>> Plonked solely on basis of the nym.
>
> Well, it was flatfish. As usual
Wrong again as usual K�hlmann.
You might want to check out HPT though as he seems to like to post
from various different servers.
Marti van Lin
> Throckmorton E. Pouch pulled this Usenet boner:
>
> Plonked solely on basis of the nym.
>
You is friggin' cewl maaan!
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Erik Funkenbusch
> Bollocks.
>
> As they do not intend to convert *all* machines to linux, this is complete
> bullshit.
Actually, that was the original goal. But, after all the money was
allocated, and they started to do the work, they got a lot of backlash.. so
they changed their mind and said 80% would be converted to Linux.
That figure is still a long way off.
> What they *do* though is converting all machines to OO and other open
> source software, and that is pretty much done right now.
Yes. Good job of showing how difficult it is just to convert from Office
to OOo.
> Also, they had to establish the groundworks for the linux machines first,
> including converting lots of basic stuff they used before. That is also
> done.
Yep. Doesn't change the fact that the Munich IT guys are drastly over
budget and long delayed in their estimates.
> So to assume that the machine conversion rate stays the same needs an
> idiot. Good thing that you were present to serve, flatfish
I suspect it will take longer, actually.
Clogwog
news:1wn0njppfgjv.t...@40tude.net...
Don Zeiglers "migration" at ERA failed, because users preferred Windows vs
Linux!
Matt
> On 05/03/2010 17:05, Throckmorton E. Pouch wrote:
>> http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/
>>
>> //Quote
>>
>> Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
>> was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of
>> many vendor lock-ins created in the past.
>>
>> So it took about five and a half years to migrate just the office
>> software.
>
> That's the hardest bit. Not to mention resistance to change (however
> small) in any organisation.
> Once all the workstations have migrated to OO and are happy with it,
> then any reason to keep Windows has immediately disappeared and the
> conversion from Windows to Linux will be smooth and sweet.
True for many or most users because they don't use any small-niche apps.
Problem comes when people are using Windows-only apps. The problem
goes away when users use only cross-platform apps, cross-platform being
the important feature in your mention of OO.
Gordon
I'll bet they didn't. I bet they just didn't want to change.......
And in answer to Moshe's stupid statement (which is why I have the idiot
plonked) Linux has apps that are as good if not better for GENERAL
Office use.
Don't forget 70% of MS Office Users only use 25% of the functionality of
MS Office so anything that provides the same functionality is OK.
People just don't want to change. ANYTHING, not just OS or Office suite...
nessuno
> Throckmorton E. Pouch pulled this Usenet boner:
>
> Plonked solely on basis of the nym.
It's flatfish. His sock puppet One Shot and main nym Moshe will be
setting up a chorus. He's been doing this for at least 10 years.
Same old thing.
Moshe
> On 05/03/2010 18:54, Clogwog wrote:
>> "Moshe" <goldee_l...@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
>> news:1wn0njppfgjv.t...@40tude.net...
>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:18:16 +0000, Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Most users don't actually care what OS is behind the apps they use on a
>>>> daily basis...
>>>
>>> That is correct.
>>> It's also the reason why user prefer Windows vs Linux.
>>> Windows has the applications they want to use.
>>
>>
>> Don Zeiglers "migration" at ERA failed, because users preferred Windows
>> vs Linux!
>
> I'll bet they didn't. I bet they just didn't want to change.......
> And in answer to Moshe's stupid statement (which is why I have the idiot
> plonked) Linux has apps that are as good if not better for GENERAL
> Office use.
Sure Gordo....
That's why you keep replying.
I have one word for you: Exchange.
> Don't forget 70% of MS Office Users only use 25% of the functionality of
> MS Office so anything that provides the same functionality is OK.
> People just don't want to change. ANYTHING, not just OS or Office suite...
Wrong.
People just don't want to downgrade to Linux.
Moshe
Sigh....
You guys are wrong more times in 24 hours than a broken clock.
JeffM
>>it took about five and a half years
>>to migrate just the office software.
>>
>That's the hardest bit.
>
People constantly show how OOo is more M$-compliant
than different versions of M$O are with each other.
Folks constantly use OOo
to open the M$O binary blobs that M$O itself won't open.
The really stupid thing is
they then save the damned things in a M$ format and
go back to using M$O which just showed it is a broken PoS.
The stumbling point with converting is **VBA**.
Just as South Korea has shown how stupid it is
to lock yourself into a single-source technology (ActiveX),
those outfits who use VBA chain themselves to one vendor.
Those VBA elements that the Go-OO project hasn't yet cloned
and which are used in Munich's documents
have to be rewritten in OOo's scripting meme.
THAT is what is holding things up
and why conversion has to be done on a box-by-box basis.
The moral of this story, boys and girls, is
DON'T CHAIN YOURSELF TO ONE VENDOR.
>Not to mention resistance to change
>
In these times of more people willing to work
than there are jobs for them to do, I see this as an opportunity
to replace the monkeys that can't learn to press the right keys
in order to get the piece of banana.
>Once all the workstations have migrated to OO
>and are happy with it, then any reason to keep Windows
>has immediately disappeared
>
You missed their reliance on SAS.
Again, chaining yourself to one vendor is DUMB.
An outfit that doesn't have the source code for its infrastructure
is just asking to be screwed over.
Peter Köhlmann
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:16:12 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Throckmorton E. Pouch pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>> Plonked solely on basis of the nym.
>>
>> Well, it was flatfish. As usual
>
> Wrong again as usual Köhlmann.
Nope. I am 95% certain that it was you, flatfish
> You might want to check out HPT though as he seems to like to post
> from various different servers.
You are boring with that bullshit.
Several people have different accounts. I have several, too. I just don't
use others in COLA usually
--
You're not my type. For that matter, you're not even my species
Moshe
> Moshe wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:16:12 +0100, Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Throckmorton E. Pouch pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>
>>>> Plonked solely on basis of the nym.
>>>
>>> Well, it was flatfish. As usual
>>
>> Wrong again as usual K�hlmann.
>
> Nope. I am 95% certain that it was you, flatfish
Well it's the other 5 percent that has got you.
>> You might want to check out HPT though as he seems to like to post
>> from various different servers.
>
> You are boring with that bullshit.
> Several people have different accounts. I have several, too. I just don't
> use others in COLA usually
Yea but you don't get caught.
HPT does, and almost every time.
Rick
> http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/
>
> //Quote
>
> Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
> was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of many
> vendor lock-ins created in the past.
Ya see... vendor lock-in... it is hard to get out of.
>
> So it took about five and a half years to migrate just the office
> software. At the time that Munich decided to go Microsoft-free, they
> said they would be switching to OpenOffice.org in just a few months. It
> was not supposed to take an almighty effort to accomplish.
Ya see... vendor lock-in... it is hard to get out of.
(snip)
This is a very good troll. It has generated a large number of posts with
the words "Linux migration failure" in the title.
--
Rick
Gordon
>
> The stumbling point with converting is **VBA**.
Interestingly, having been a Systems/Management Accountant in three very
large publicly-quoted UK companies, I never saw ANY VBA in use at
all.....no-body needed it....
DFS
I've deployed about half-a-million lines of it at seven large,
publicly-traded companies:
OpenOffice doesn't have a chance in Hell of supplanting MS Office, just as
Linux doesn't have a chance in Hell of supplanting MS Windows.
Rick
Ok... so OO.o won't "supplant" Microsoft Office. At least I have a choice
of using something besides MO that fills my needs just as well, if not
better.
--
Rick
Gordon
> Gordon wrote:
>> On 05/03/2010 21:15, JeffM wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The stumbling point with converting is **VBA**.
>>
>> Interestingly, having been a Systems/Management Accountant in three
>> very large publicly-quoted UK companies, I never saw ANY VBA in use at
>> all.....no-body needed it....
>
>
> I've deployed about half-a-million lines of it at seven large,
> publicly-traded companies:
>
Was that because they "thought" they needed it, or because you managed
to "persuade" them they thought they needed it?
I cannot see the point of VBA when automation can be done by the CRM/ERM
application - why re-invent the wheel?
DFS
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:38 -0500, Throckmorton E. Pouch wrote:
>
>> http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/
>>
>> //Quote
>>
>> Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
>> was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of
>> many vendor lock-ins created in the past.
>
> Ya see... vendor lock-in... it is hard to get out of.
So it's not really lock-in, is it bozo?
You and your fellow cola idiots are beyond moronic:
OpenOffice systems written with a bunch of Python macro-code <> "lock in"
MS Office systems written with a bunch of VBA macro-code = "lock in"
DFS
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:58:17 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> On 05/03/2010 21:15, JeffM wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The stumbling point with converting is **VBA**.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, having been a Systems/Management Accountant in three
>>> very large publicly-quoted UK companies, I never saw ANY VBA in use
>>> at all.....no-body needed it....
>>
>>
>> I've deployed about half-a-million lines of it at seven large,
>> publicly-traded companies:
>>
>> OpenOffice doesn't have a chance in Hell of supplanting MS Office,
>> just as Linux doesn't have a chance in Hell of supplanting MS
>> Windows.
>
> Ok... so OO.o won't "supplant" Microsoft Office.
So you Linux/OSS idiots need to clam up with the ridiculous "MS Office
killer!" whines.
http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/10/openofficeorg-version-20-definite.html
> At least I have a
> choice of using something besides MO
huh? You always had and always will have plenty of choices in office
software.
> that fills my needs just as well, if not better.
It doesn't fit your needs better, at all - it fits your needs cheaper.
Peter Köhlmann
> Rick wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:38 -0500, Throckmorton E. Pouch wrote:
>>
>>> http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> //Quote
>>>
>>> Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
>>> was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of
>>> many vendor lock-ins created in the past.
>>
>> Ya see... vendor lock-in... it is hard to get out of.
>
> So it's not really lock-in, is it bozo?
>
> You and your fellow cola idiots are beyond moronic:
>
> OpenOffice systems written with a bunch of Python macro-code <> "lock
> in"
Exactly right. You are making progress
> MS Office systems written with a bunch of VBA macro-code = "lock in"
Again, exactly right.
To show us that this is *not* "lock in" you will certainly be eager to
tell us how to run MS Office/VBA on unix systems. For example
Please be precise in decribing the setup process
--
Ninety percent of the time things will turn out worse than you expect.
The other 10 percent of the time you had no right to expect so much.
Rick
> Rick wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:58:17 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>> On 05/03/2010 21:15, JeffM wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The stumbling point with converting is **VBA**.
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, having been a Systems/Management Accountant in three
>>>> very large publicly-quoted UK companies, I never saw ANY VBA in use
>>>> at all.....no-body needed it....
>>>
>>>
>>> I've deployed about half-a-million lines of it at seven large,
>>> publicly-traded companies:
>>>
>>> OpenOffice doesn't have a chance in Hell of supplanting MS Office,
>>> just as Linux doesn't have a chance in Hell of supplanting MS Windows.
>>
>> Ok... so OO.o won't "supplant" Microsoft Office.
>
> So you Linux/OSS idiots need to clam up with the ridiculous "MS Office
> killer!" whines.
>
> http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/10/openofficeorg-version-20-
definite.html
>
A 2005 article that you seem to imply speaks for all users of Linux
systems and OSS. It doesn't.
And when will you try to understand the concept of marketing hyperbole?
>> At least I have a
>> choice of using something besides MO
>
> huh? You always had and always will have plenty of choices in office
> software.
As I said, at least I have a choice of using something besides MO. Thank
you for agreeing with me.
>
>> that fills my needs just as well, if not better.
>
> It doesn't fit your needs better, at all - it fits your needs cheaper.
You don't get to decide if something fits my needs or not. I use it. It
fits my needs. And, by the way, if cheaper is a need, then being cheaper
fits the need. And, yes, I can afford to buy MS Office. There is no need.
--
Rick
Rick
> Rick wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:38 -0500, Throckmorton E. Pouch wrote:
>>
>>> http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> //Quote
>>>
>>> Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
>>> was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of
>>> many vendor lock-ins created in the past.
>>
>> Ya see... vendor lock-in... it is hard to get out of.
>
> So it's not really lock-in, is it bozo?
Yes, it is, Clarabell.
>
> You and your fellow cola idiots are beyond moronic:
>
> OpenOffice systems written with a bunch of Python macro-code <> "lock
> in"
>
> MS Office systems written with a bunch of VBA macro-code = "lock in"
DFS: Owl - bright light.
--
Rick
Moshe
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:38 -0500, Throckmorton E. Pouch wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> //Quote
>>>>
>>>> Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
>>>> was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of
>>>> many vendor lock-ins created in the past.
>>>
>>> Ya see... vendor lock-in... it is hard to get out of.
>>
>> So it's not really lock-in, is it bozo?
>>
>> You and your fellow cola idiots are beyond moronic:
>>
>> OpenOffice systems written with a bunch of Python macro-code <> "lock
>> in"
>
> Exactly right. You are making progress
>
>> MS Office systems written with a bunch of VBA macro-code = "lock in"
>
> Again, exactly right.
> To show us that this is *not* "lock in" you will certainly be eager to
> tell us how to run MS Office/VBA on unix systems. For example
>
> Please be precise in decribing the setup process
Don't waste your time with this blowhard DFS.
He will just ask for more and more information and will never be
satisfied.
See the Finale thread as one of many examples of how he operates.
DFS
> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 08:03:45 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:38 -0500, Throckmorton E. Pouch wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> //Quote
>>>>
>>>> Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
>>>> was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of
>>>> many vendor lock-ins created in the past.
>>>
>>> Ya see... vendor lock-in... it is hard to get out of.
>>
>> So it's not really lock-in, is it bozo?
>
> Yes, it is, Clarabell.
For ignoramus hypocrite liar values of "lock in"
>> You and your fellow cola idiots are beyond moronic:
>>
>> OpenOffice systems written with a bunch of Python macro-code <> "lock
>> in"
>>
>> MS Office systems written with a bunch of VBA macro-code = "lock in"
>
> DFS: Owl - bright light.
(p)Rick: drooling dodo bird
DFS
> DFS wrote:
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:38 -0500, Throckmorton E. Pouch wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> //Quote
>>>>
>>>> Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
>>>> was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of
>>>> many vendor lock-ins created in the past.
>>>
>>> Ya see... vendor lock-in... it is hard to get out of.
>>
>> So it's not really lock-in, is it bozo?
>>
>> You and your fellow cola idiots are beyond moronic:
>>
>> OpenOffice systems written with a bunch of Python macro-code <> "lock
>> in"
>
> Exactly right. You are making progress
Interesting. I didn't know all those dozens of Unix-only Python functions
and calls would magically run on Windows.
http://docs.python.org/library/os.html
When did they make this happen, dumbkopf?
>> MS Office systems written with a bunch of VBA macro-code = "lock in"
>
> Again, exactly right.
> To show us that this is *not* "lock in" you will certainly be eager to
> tell us how to run MS Office/VBA on unix systems.
> For example
>
> Please be precise in decribing the setup process
install virtualization software on your Unix box www.virtualbox.org
install the Windows guest www.microsoft.com
install MS Office www.microsoft.com
install your Office\VBA system www.dfs_development.org
TomB
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Rick wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:38 -0500, Throckmorton E. Pouch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://limuxwatch.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> //Quote
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, every workplace is migrated to OpenOffice.org, but it
>>>>> was an almighty effort to be able to do this switch, to get rid of
>>>>> many vendor lock-ins created in the past.
>>>>
>>>> Ya see... vendor lock-in... it is hard to get out of.
>>>
>>> So it's not really lock-in, is it bozo?
>>>
>>> You and your fellow cola idiots are beyond moronic:
>>>
>>> OpenOffice systems written with a bunch of Python macro-code <> "lock
>>> in"
>>
>> Exactly right. You are making progress
>
>
> Interesting. I didn't know all those dozens of Unix-only Python functions
> and calls would magically run on Windows.
> http://docs.python.org/library/os.html
>
>
> When did they make this happen, dumbkopf?
As with all coding you at least can decide to make your code as
portable as possible.
>>> MS Office systems written with a bunch of VBA macro-code = "lock in"
>>
>> Again, exactly right.
>> To show us that this is *not* "lock in" you will certainly be eager to
>> tell us how to run MS Office/VBA on unix systems.
>> For example
>>
>> Please be precise in decribing the setup process
>
>
> install virtualization software on your Unix box www.virtualbox.org
> install the Windows guest www.microsoft.com
> install MS Office www.microsoft.com
> install your Office\VBA system www.dfs_development.org
And now without having to open your wallet?
--
Always be wary of any helpful item that weighs less than its
operating manual.
~ Terry Pratchett
DFS
> On 2010-03-06, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>> install virtualization software on your Unix box www.virtualbox.org
>> install the Windows guest www.microsoft.com
>> install MS Office www.microsoft.com
>> install your Office\VBA system www.dfs_development.org
>
> And now without having to open your wallet?
Why would you even think to ask that?
When did you last go to work for free?
Any developer or sysadmin worth his salt shouldn't be promoting free
crapware in the first place.
Moshe
It must be pretty embarrassing to advocate something that is free,
yet that virtually nobody is interested in using.
Like desktop Linux for example.
High Plains Thumper
> Moshe wrote:
>
>> You might want to check out HPT though as he seems to like to post
>> from various different servers.
>
> You are boring with that bullshit. Several people have different
> accounts. I have several, too. I just don't use others in COLA
> usually
For the past several years, my ISP's provided no Usenet service. I have
had to rely on other servers. Thus, I have relied on free ones. These
include Eternal-September (formerly Motzarella), CNNTP, Albasani,
X-Privat and Google-Groups. Most of the time they are good, but
occassionally one or another hiccups, I get an error, repost via
another. Thus, multiple messages sometimes appear, though not intentional.
Advocates in general do not like replies to trolls that I occasionally
do, so for those or ones potentially as such, I use Eternal-September or
X-Privat, which they have kill filed. Thunderbird allows me to freely
select which. Sometimes I will view in one and post in another. I will
sometimes post the FAQ via Eternal-September or X-Privat, because
advocates already know what it states. The trolls read these using
"troll friendly" servers, thus it targets the needed audience.
When I don't want to see troll replies, I use either CNNTP or X-Privat,
because I have filters set to heavily kill troll activity. In
Eternal-September and Albasani, I have no filters set. And of course,
without some unusual scripting, there are no filters set for Google-Groups.
For flatfish to hammer anyone using alternate servers and so-called
nymshifting is rather moronic, because he is the most prolific
nymshifter. Next is Duane Arnold followed by Snit and socks, Hadron.
Greatest lie is his accusations of my alleged continual usage of
anonymous Usenet remailers, which he also is a prolific user of through
Mixmaster, etc.
So, does flatfish have a leg (sic) to stand on? No. He is one of the
most prolific liars in Usenet history. Rarely does he have anything of
merit to state. That includes his $5,000 software midi studio with
Nuendo, Cubase, and ad nauseum, used as straw men to slime Linux and FOSS.
Also moronic is his (as is all trolls, Erik Funkenbusch, Tim Smith
included) homing in on a single posting error made by an advocate,
although may be years ago, homed in to attempt to severely discredit an
advocate. Flatfish will post as an advocate or anonymously falsified
data, then come back to reply to it as though the adovcate did. This is
illegal. (Example, the "Roy cut off his balls" posts.)
Then take Snit and his support of known trolls, continued posts of his
altered straw man data postured as original from his website using
Dreamweaver, boosted with socks ceed and Joel Crump to add
gastrointestinal effects.
Flatfish is just as much a pathological lying circus as Hadron and Snit
are. (Just as you have pointed out frequently.)
--
HPT
Snit
7:32 AM:
> Then take Snit and his support of known trolls, continued posts of his
> altered straw man data postured as original from his website using
> Dreamweaver, boosted with socks ceed and Joel Crump to add
> gastrointestinal effects.
What?
LOL!
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Moshe
> For the past several years, my ISP's provided no Usenet service. I have
> had to rely on other servers. Thus, I have relied on free ones. These
> include Eternal-September (formerly Motzarella), CNNTP, Albasani,
> X-Privat and Google-Groups. Most of the time they are good, but
> occassionally one or another hiccups, I get an error, repost via
> another. Thus, multiple messages sometimes appear, though not intentional.
Yea like when you screw up.....
Right "Wendy" ?
> Advocates in general do not like replies to trolls that I occasionally
> do, so for those or ones potentially as such, I use Eternal-September or
> X-Privat, which they have kill filed.
What makes you think that?
Must be your motorcycle vs cock size theory.
I could see where that *might* upset someone.
Especially a guy riding a big bike..........
> Thunderbird allows me to freely
> select which. Sometimes I will view in one and post in another. I will
> sometimes post the FAQ via Eternal-September or X-Privat, because
> advocates already know what it states. The trolls read these using
> "troll friendly" servers, thus it targets the needed audience.
Then why do you screw up so often?
> When I don't want to see troll replies, I use either CNNTP or X-Privat,
> because I have filters set to heavily kill troll activity. In
> Eternal-September and Albasani, I have no filters set. And of course,
> without some unusual scripting, there are no filters set for Google-Groups.
Me thinks you protest and explain too much.....
Looks like a nerve has been hit.
> For flatfish to hammer anyone using alternate servers and so-called
> nymshifting is rather moronic, because he is the most prolific
> nymshifter. Next is Duane Arnold followed by Snit and socks, Hadron.
I don't use anon servers.
Never have and I don't even know how if I wanted to.
Maybe you could teach me HPT?
> Greatest lie is his accusations of my alleged continual usage of
> anonymous Usenet remailers, which he also is a prolific user of through
> Mixmaster, etc.
See above.
That's *you* HPT, and it's obvious so don't even try to hide it.
The Linux supporters know full well that it's you because it's so
predictable.
> So, does flatfish have a leg (sic) to stand on? No. He is one of the
> most prolific liars in Usenet history. Rarely does he have anything of
> merit to state. That includes his $5,000 software midi studio with
> Nuendo, Cubase, and ad nauseum, used as straw men to slime Linux and FOSS.
I posted screen shots and mp3 files.
What have *you* posted?
> Also moronic is his (as is all trolls, Erik Funkenbusch, Tim Smith
> included) homing in on a single posting error made by an advocate,
> although may be years ago, homed in to attempt to severely discredit an
> advocate. Flatfish will post as an advocate or anonymously falsified
> data, then come back to reply to it as though the adovcate did. This is
> illegal. (Example, the "Roy cut off his balls" posts.)
I think Roy posted all that castration stuff so people would feel
sorry for him.
Just like he makes up DDOS attacks on his servers so that people
in the community will feel sorry for him.
Like here for example:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/burying_the_truth_boycott_novell_hit_by_denial_of_service_attack
Roy Schestowitz, like most narcissists, craves attention.
> Then take Snit and his support of known trolls, continued posts of his
> altered straw man data postured as original from his website using
> Dreamweaver, boosted with socks ceed and Joel Crump to add
> gastrointestinal effects.
>
> Flatfish is just as much a pathological lying circus as Hadron and Snit
> are. (Just as you have pointed out frequently.)
You should take a good look at yourself sometime HPT even if it's
just to see what a dismal attempt you make at Linux advocacy.
Rick
> TomB wrote:
>> On 2010-03-06, the following emerged from the brain of DFS:
>
>
>>> install virtualization software on your Unix box www.virtualbox.org
>>> install the Windows guest www.microsoft.com
>>> install MS Office www.microsoft.com
>>> install your Office\VBA system www.dfs_development.org
>> And now without having to open your wallet?
>
>
> Why would you even think to ask that?
>
> When did you last go to work for free?
Have you never heard of volunteer work?
>
> Any developer or sysadmin worth his salt shouldn't be promoting free
> crapware in the first place.
... which explains the popularity of Apache, Drupal, Joomla, MySQL,
Firefox, Chrome, etc
>
>
>
Thomas Thordarsen
>
> Greatest lie is his accusations of my alleged continual usage of
> anonymous Usenet remailers, which he also is a prolific user of through
> Mixmaster, etc.
>
Are you *really really* sure you've never used "anonymous Usenet
remailers", Tor, etc?
Be honest now.
Ignoramus8009
per month now, which is more than before. Presumably, new machines
that they buy as replacements for existing ones, are also Linux
based.
The experience with converting to Linux that I observed at work, is
that things speed up as they progress.
Also, if Ubuntu was less buggy, it would see a much wider adoption.
i
Peter Köhlmann
"Honest" like you, flatfish?
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The unsaid part of what you're thinking.
JeffM
>The experience with converting to Linux that I observed at work,
>is that things speed up as they progress.
>
and is replaced by the inertia of openness,
then openness works geometrically better.
Hmmm. Who'd thunk that?
>Also, if Ubuntu was less buggy, it would see a much wider adoption.
>
10.04 will be a LTS version. I expect that to help things
considerably.
(alt.os.linux.ubuntu removed from the To: line)
Thomas Thordarsen
> Thomas Thordarsen wrote:
>
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Greatest lie is his accusations of my alleged continual usage of
>> > anonymous Usenet remailers, which he also is a prolific user of
>> > through Mixmaster, etc.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you *really really* sure you've never used "anonymous Usenet
>> remailers", Tor, etc?
>>
>>
>> Be honest now.
>
> "Honest" like you, flatfish?
The Liarsuck idiot claims I'm Hadron. The same idiot claims I'm S.
"*LMAO*" Heenan.
Now a second, even less bright dirt loving cherman retard claims I'm
flatfish.
Liarsuck can't do Grade 5 math and you can't read worth a shit.
Chris Ahlstrom
>>> Be honest now.
>>
>> "Honest" like you, flatfish?
>
> The Liarsuck idiot claims I'm Hadron. The same idiot claims I'm S.
> "*LMAO*" Heenan.
Interesting. "Thomas" likes to call people liars, but he lies himself.
A troll being a liar and hypocrite. Who would have thought it?
> Now a second, even less bright dirt loving cherman retard claims I'm
> flatfish.
>
> Liarsuck can't do Grade 5 math and you can't read worth a shit.
Nasty little megalomaniac child.
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Caution: Keep out of reach of children.
Thomas Thordarsen
> Thomas Thordarsen pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>>>> Be honest now.
>>> "Honest" like you, flatfish?
>> The Liarsuck idiot claims I'm Hadron. The same idiot claims I'm S.
>> "*LMAO*" Heenan.
>
> Interesting. "Thomas" likes to call people liars, but he lies himself.
>
Where did I lie, shit eater?
Peter Köhlmann
The first time you posted here, the last time you posted here, and
everytime inbetween
--
If you had any brains, you'd be dangerous.
Chris Ahlstrom
You belong in a straitjacket, not a newsgroup.
Chris Ahlstrom
"Thomas Thordarsen" makes "Hadron" look like a savant and a bon vivant.
At least "Hadron" has a sense of humor, however lame it may be much of the
time.
Maybe I should nmap "Thomas".
--
Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
A: He was giving it last rites.
Chris Ahlstrom
> Thomas Thordarsen wrote:
"Thomas Thordarsen" makes "Hadron" look like a savant and a bon vivant.
At least "Hadron" has a sense of humor, however lame it may be much of the
time.
--
Hadron
Yet you don't answer his question. Where did he lie you dishonest little
"advocate" you? Come on. You're telling lies again to suck up to the
"advocates" again aren't you? Why do you do it?
You're a nasty piece of work, no two ways about that.
Hadron
> Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> Thomas Thordarsen wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> Thomas Thordarsen pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Be honest now.
>>>>>> "Honest" like you, flatfish?
>>>>> The Liarsuck idiot claims I'm Hadron. The same idiot claims I'm S.
>>>>> "*LMAO*" Heenan.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting. "Thomas" likes to call people liars, but he lies himself.
>>>
>>> Where did I lie, shit eater?
>>
>> The first time you posted here, the last time you posted here, and
>> everytime inbetween
>
> "Thomas Thordarsen" makes "Hadron" look like a savant and a bon
> vivant.
And you make me look like Einstein and Shakespeare rolled into one.
>
> At least "Hadron" has a sense of humor, however lame it may be much of the
> time.
So says the guy who thinks "buh bye" is funny and talks about "wiping
mens pee pees"?
>
> Maybe I should nmap "Thomas".
Maybe you should grow a set and stop licking Peter's arse?
High Plains Thumper
> Peter Köhlmann pulled:
>> Thomas Thordarsen wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Liarsuck idiot claims I'm Hadron. The same idiot claims
>>>>> I'm S. "*LMAO*" Heenan.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting. "Thomas" likes to call people liars, but he lies
>>>> himself.
>>>
>>> Where did I lie, shit eater?
>>
>> The first time you posted here, the last time you posted here, and
>> every time in between
>
> "Thomas Thordarsen" makes "Hadron" look like a savant and a bon
> vivant. At least "Hadron" has a sense of humor, however lame it may
> be much of the time.
Yup, rather sad that these Wintrolls must nymshift to post their
anti-Linux doctrinal ideals. Posting using AIOE no less. And cross
posting to AOLU, to be sure.
In spite of all their moronic complaints, I haven't had any problems
with Karmic Koala, except that Lacie's 4L-gui Lightscribe burning
software stopped working, because of software library differences.
(They haven't updated their software yet.)
--
HPT
High Plains Thumper
> Thomas Thordarsen wrote:
>> High Plains Thumper wrote:
>>
>>> Greatest lie is his accusations of my alleged continual usage of
>>> anonymous Usenet remailers, which he also is a prolific user of
>>> through Mixmaster, etc.
>>
>> Are you *really really* sure you've never used "anonymous Usenet
>> remailers", Tor, etc? Be honest now.
>
> "Honest" like you, flatfish?
It is not hard to tell if flatfish is lying. His mouth is hanging open.
--
HPT
DFS
> Yup, rather sad that these Wintrolls must nymshift to post their
> anti-Linux doctrinal ideals.
How many nyms have you posted under?
> Posting using AIOE no less. And cross
> posting to AOLU, to be sure.
>
> In spite of all their moronic complaints,
See all your fellow morons posting their endless complaints at
www.ubuntuforums.org. (not to mention more 77,500 open bugs at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu)
I haven't had any problems
> with Karmic Koala, except that Lacie's 4L-gui Lightscribe burning
> software stopped working, because of software library differences.
> (They haven't updated their software yet.)
Samples of one is how cola slimes on.
chrisv
>It is not hard to tell if flatfish is lying. His mouth is hanging open.
Or he's typing...
One Shot, One Kill
"chrisv" <chr...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:k6kcp59f61ulahl79...@4ax.com...
chrisv is a liar. chrisv is a worthless piece of shit.
Thomas Thordarsen
> Thomas Thordarsen wrote:
>> Where did I lie, shit eater?
>
> The first time you posted here, the last time you posted here, and
> everytime inbetween
Hi dirt breath! Which Message IDs?
DFS
Now you made dumbkopf run away.
He does the same when he calls me a liar and I ask him for proof.
Thomas Thordarsen
Have you seen Liarsuck recently?
Moshe
> Thomas Thordarsen pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>>>> Be honest now.
>>>
>>> "Honest" like you, flatfish?
>>
>> The Liarsuck idiot claims I'm Hadron. The same idiot claims I'm S.
>> "*LMAO*" Heenan.
>
> Interesting. "Thomas" likes to call people liars, but he lies himself.
Sounds like High Plains Thumper.
Moshe
He runs and hides as usual.
What a spineless wonder.
Thomas Thordarsen
>
> He runs and hides as usual.
> What a spineless wonder.
Do you mean HPT, Liarmutt, or the idiot Kookmann?
High Plains Thumper
Same thing.
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