Linux: impossible to use in ANY professional situation
DFS
situation"
#152 at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
Linux just works!
Rick
Yes, it does.
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Rick
Hadron
Not good. It does appear a lot of people are getting it. But they can
move back to an older kernel. Ubuntu is becoming a victim of its own
popularity. As I have often pointed out, it is indicative of how few
people use Linux that when a few more do arrive the number of newly
discovered bugs from different HW or working practices is quite
phenomenal. It's why I laugh so much when minimal users like Rick,
Koehlmann and Willy Poaster claim that it "works for them" and "all just
works".
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just works."
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Hadron
I think we all realise you're a bit simple now Rick, so have a cookie
and go and read the thread Ralphie Boy, err, I mean Rick.
Rick
> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>
>> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY
>> professional situation"
>>
>> #152 at
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?
t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>>
>>
>> Linux just works!
>>
>>
> Not good. It does appear a lot of people are getting it. But they can
> move back to an older kernel. Ubuntu is becoming a victim of its own
> popularity. As I have often pointed out, it is indicative of how few
> people use Linux that when a few more do arrive the number of newly
> discovered bugs from different HW or working practices is quite
> phenomenal. It's why I laugh so much when minimal users like Rick,
> Koehlmann and Willy Poaster claim that it "works for them" and "all just
> works".
Screw you Hadron. Minimal user. What the hell are you, the overlord of
computer usage? What do you do that is so complex, other than continually
dissing Linux at every opportunity?
I have a web server (yes, low traffic), ftp server (yes, personal), I
scan, I edit graphics, I edit web pages, I email, I use IRC. I have a
home network, wired and wireless and the Windows and Linux machines
interact quite well. I run Linux. Every day. It is my main operating
system. Yes, I have to use Windows occasionally, mostly for work. I use
VMWare for that. So I am not a data center. So what? There are data
centers that do run on Linux. There are weather simulations that do run
on Linux. There are PCs that run Linux. There are supercomputer clusters
that do run on Linux. There are city governments that run Linux. They run
Linux for the "minimal" office tasks and their server tasks.
You are like Znu in CSMA. According to you both, no matter what a Linux
user uses Linux for, it is either too high end or "minimal".
You are just some troll posing as a Linux advocate. I have a web site
detailing how I got Linux to run on my laptop. At the time there were
very few resources detailing what was needed for that model. I tried to
help out. I tell people my main OS is Linux, and I name whatever distro I
am using, which has been PCLinux OS for the last 2 versions. If something
needs help, and I can help, I do. Both in newsgroups and forums.
So, you just continue to try to convince people you are a Linux advocate.
No one is fooled.
--
Rick
Hadron
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:13:31 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>>
>>> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY
>>> professional situation"
>>>
>>> #152 at
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?
> t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>>>
>>>
>>> Linux just works!
>>>
>>>
>> Not good. It does appear a lot of people are getting it. But they can
>> move back to an older kernel. Ubuntu is becoming a victim of its own
>> popularity. As I have often pointed out, it is indicative of how few
>> people use Linux that when a few more do arrive the number of newly
>> discovered bugs from different HW or working practices is quite
>> phenomenal. It's why I laugh so much when minimal users like Rick,
>> Koehlmann and Willy Poaster claim that it "works for them" and "all just
>> works".
>
> Screw you Hadron. Minimal user. What the hell are you, the overlord of
> computer usage? What do you do that is so complex, other than continually
> dissing Linux at every opportunity?
You explained your usage a while back. It was, to say the least, very
minimal.
*snip lots of stuff that looked very minimal and boring*
ray
years of use of Linux in a "professionsl situation".
Rick
So says the self proclaimed czar of computer usage. So, lets say that my
usage is minimal, just for argument's sake. So what? There a LOT of
"maximal" users out there. You know it. You ignore it.
>
> *snip lots of stuff that looked very minimal and boring*
Context fixed:
Screw you Hadron. Minimal user. What the hell are you, the overlord of
computer usage? What do you do that is so complex, other than continually
dissing Linux at every opportunity?
I have a web server (yes, low traffic), ftp server (yes, personal), I
Moshe Goldfarb.
> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>
>> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY professional
>> situation"
>>
>> #152 at
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>>
>>
>> Linux just works!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Not good. It does appear a lot of people are getting it. But they can
> move back to an older kernel. Ubuntu is becoming a victim of its own
> popularity. As I have often pointed out, it is indicative of how few
> people use Linux that when a few more do arrive the number of newly
> discovered bugs from different HW or working practices is quite
> phenomenal. It's why I laugh so much when minimal users like Rick,
> Koehlmann and Willy Poaster claim that it "works for them" and "all just
> works".
Ubuntu is moving too quickly and that is why the quality is suffering.
As for the COLA gang, they are proven liars.
--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
JEDIDIAH
> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY professional
> situation"
...works reasonably well as a GUI desktop and a tertiary media server
compute server.
>
> #152 at
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>
>
> Linux just works!
For the vast majority of examples you could harvest from the
website in question, this remark is absolutely true.
This much like your flash fixation.
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JEDIDIAH
> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>
>> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY professional
>> situation"
>>
>> #152 at
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>>
>>
>> Linux just works!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Not good. It does appear a lot of people are getting it. But they can
> move back to an older kernel. Ubuntu is becoming a victim of its own
> popularity. As I have often pointed out, it is indicative of how few
Nope.
If you thought electrocuting puppies would help, you idiot Lemmings
would start doing that too...
> people use Linux that when a few more do arrive the number of newly
> discovered bugs from different HW or working practices is quite
> phenomenal. It's why I laugh so much when minimal users like Rick,
> Koehlmann and Willy Poaster claim that it "works for them" and "all just
> works".
>
--
JEDIDIAH
>
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:13:31 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY
>>>> professional situation"
>>>>
>>>> #152 at
>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?
>> t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linux just works!
[deletia]
>> Screw you Hadron. Minimal user. What the hell are you, the overlord of
>> computer usage? What do you do that is so complex, other than continually
>> dissing Linux at every opportunity?
>
> You explained your usage a while back. It was, to say the least, very
> minimal.
>
> *snip lots of stuff that looked very minimal and boring*
What video editor do you use? Why do you like to use it?
We should start calling Hadron Mr. Minimal...
Rick
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:13:31 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>>
>>> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY
>>> professional situation"
>>>
>>> #152 at
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?
t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>>>
>>>
>>> Linux just works!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Not good. It does appear a lot of people are getting it. But they can
>> move back to an older kernel. Ubuntu is becoming a victim of its own
>> popularity. As I have often pointed out, it is indicative of how few
>> people use Linux that when a few more do arrive the number of newly
>> discovered bugs from different HW or working practices is quite
>> phenomenal. It's why I laugh so much when minimal users like Rick,
>> Koehlmann and Willy Poaster claim that it "works for them" and "all
>> just works".
>
> Ubuntu is moving too quickly and that is why the quality is suffering.
> As for the COLA gang, they are proven liars.
As for you, you are a proved liar.
--
Rick
The Ghost In The Machine
<no...@nomail.com>
wrote
on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:38:37 -0500
<WfqdnVxZsK5QMf_V...@supernews.com>:
Look out! We've got a free OS and we know how to use it! :-)
In any event, Linux works reasonably well for me, as does
the rest of Gentoo (I've not had too many problems with
Ubuntu either, but then all I've done with it is throw it
at QEMU and see what it did). This is not to say there are
no hiccups, nor does Linux work well on all equipment (65
watts on a modern Intel Pentium processor won't get very
far!), or even works all that well for all applications
(how would one dig ditches using Linux?).
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Rick
(snip)
>(how would one dig ditches using Linux?).
Carefully ?
--
Rick
William Poaster
> On 2008-06-25, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>>
>>> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY
>>> professional situation"
>>>
>>> #152 at
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>>>
>>>
>>> Linux just works!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Not good. It does appear a lot of people are getting it. But they can
>> move back to an older kernel. Ubuntu is becoming a victim of its own
>> popularity. As I have often pointed out, it is indicative of how few
>
> Nope.
>
> If you thought electrocuting puppies would help, you idiot Lemmings would
> start doing that too...
>
>> people use Linux that when a few more do arrive the number of newly
>> discovered bugs from different HW or working practices is quite
>> phenomenal. It's why I laugh so much when minimal users like Rick,
>> Koehlmann and Willy Poaster claim that it "works for them" and "all just
>> works".
And how does Quack know I'm a "minimal user", whatever the f#ck that is.
And YES, the distro I use "all just works", on all my machines all of
which which have different hardware.
He's an ignorant troll, & shows it with every post.
As for the troll who posted "Linux: impossible to use in ANY professional
situation", he should tell it to the guys who design & run supercomputers.
--
Mandriva 2008.1 64-bit.
This message was sent from yet *another*
computer which is guaranteed
100% free of the M$ Windoze virus.
Moshe Goldfarb.
You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use.
At 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life
support.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:20:35 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>
>> On 2008-06-25, Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY
>>>> professional situation"
>>>>
>>>> #152 at
>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Linux just works!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Not good. It does appear a lot of people are getting it. But they can
>>> move back to an older kernel. Ubuntu is becoming a victim of its own
>>> popularity. As I have often pointed out, it is indicative of how few
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> If you thought electrocuting puppies would help, you idiot Lemmings would
>> start doing that too...
>>
>>> people use Linux that when a few more do arrive the number of newly
>>> discovered bugs from different HW or working practices is quite
>>> phenomenal. It's why I laugh so much when minimal users like Rick,
>>> Koehlmann and Willy Poaster claim that it "works for them" and "all just
>>> works".
>
> And how does Quack know I'm a "minimal user", whatever the f#ck that is.
The obvious answer is your minimal brain capacity William Poaster.
Rick
And you keep repeating the same lie. Do you think if you keep repeating
it, you will start to believe your own lie?
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The Ghost In The Machine
<brick_...@gmail.com>
wrote
on Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:22:39 -0400
<1qh4bofdgc3rj.2...@40tude.net>:
Yep, gotta get those truckers off the road, as they only
are about 0.5% of the vehicles thereon.
(Spot The Flaw.)
--
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"Woman? What woman?"
Ruby Murray
Ok, what is the desktop share then?
Look what it says on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Market_share_and_uptake
currently server share at 12.7% but desktop share at around only *1%*
compared to Windows at *90%*
who exactly is telling lies?
Rick
This is a lie:
You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use.
This is a lie:
0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life support.
--
Rick
Moshe Goldfarb.
The figures substantiate the above.
Linux has been around 15 + years and still is sitting at less than 1
percent desktop usage?
I would say you Linux advocates are having a tough time convincing people
to use Linux.
> This is a lie:
> 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life support.
It ain't exactly lighting up the world.
The BBC pegged it at 0.8 percent so I'm close enough.
Snit
WfqdnUxZsK45fv_V...@supernews.com on 6/25/08 5:32 PM:
...
>> Ok, what is the desktop share then?
>>
>> Look what it says on Wikipedia
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Market_share_and_uptake
>>
>> currently server share at 12.7% but desktop share at around only *1%*
>> compared to Windows at *90%*
>>
>> who exactly is telling lies?
>
> This is a lie:
> You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use.
>
> This is a lie:
> 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life support.
What makes you think those comments are lies?
--
Look, this is silly. It's not an argument, it's an armor plated walrus with
walnut paneling and an all leather interior.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
> WfqdnUxZsK45fv_V...@supernews.com on 6/25/08 5:32 PM:
>
> ...
>>> Ok, what is the desktop share then?
>>>
>>> Look what it says on Wikipedia
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Market_share_and_uptake
>>>
>>> currently server share at 12.7% but desktop share at around only *1%*
>>> compared to Windows at *90%*
>>>
>>> who exactly is telling lies?
>>
>> This is a lie:
>> You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use.
>>
>> This is a lie:
>> 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life support.
>
> What makes you think those comments are lies?
Rick is just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Snit
n0icjymnv1xq.9...@40tude.net on 6/25/08 6:13 PM:
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:04:32 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> "Rick" <no...@nomail.com> stated in post
>> WfqdnUxZsK45fv_V...@supernews.com on 6/25/08 5:32 PM:
>>
>> ...
>>>> Ok, what is the desktop share then?
>>>>
>>>> Look what it says on Wikipedia
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Market_share_and_uptake
>>>>
>>>> currently server share at 12.7% but desktop share at around only *1%*
>>>> compared to Windows at *90%*
>>>>
>>>> who exactly is telling lies?
>>>
>>> This is a lie:
>>> You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use.
>>>
>>> This is a lie:
>>> 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life support.
>>
>> What makes you think those comments are lies?
>
> Rick is just arguing for the sake of arguing.
No he is not! Prove it you liar!
:)
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<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/gates/>
DFS
> This is a lie:
> You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use.
As you know, anyone = very few. This pedantic nitpicking is the only way a
moron like you can save face.
> This is a lie:
> 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life
> support.
It's worse than being on life support - Linux desktop share hangs around for
years below 2/3 of 1%, a continuing embarrassment to every Linux developer
and contributor and vendor and "advocate".
DFS
> And how does Quack know I'm a "minimal user", whatever the f#ck that
> is. And YES, the distro I use "all just works", on all my machines
> all of which which have different hardware.
Can't fool us, Dumb Willie. Don't fool yourself.
Rick
> Rick wrote:
>
>> This is a lie:
>> You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use.
>
> As you know, anyone = very few. This pedantic nitpicking is the only
> way a moron like you can save face.
Red Hat, Novell, Canonical, etc seem to be able to convince people to use
LInux based distros. Cities use Linux/OSS for both administrative and
server tasks. Hollywood studios use it on the desktop and in the render
farms.
>
>
>
>> This is a lie:
>> 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life
>> support.
>
> It's worse than being on life support - Linux desktop share hangs around
> for years below 2/3 of 1%, a continuing embarrassment to every Linux
> developer and contributor and vendor and "advocate".
And there is a different spin on the lie. Unless, of course, you can
offer proof of the embarrassment of every Linux developer and contributor
and vendor and "advocate".
--
Rick
Hadron
Really? You can quote me I assume?
> usage is minimal, just for argument's sake. So what? There a LOT of
> "maximal" users out there. You know it. You ignore it.
You seem to have missed my point about numbers.
No surprise there.
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Rick wrote:
>
>> This is a lie:
>> You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use.
>
> As you know, anyone = very few. This pedantic nitpicking is the only way a
> moron like you can save face.
Yea, I should have put "anyone" in quotes.
I keep forgetting I'm in COLA where the idiots have to find something wrong
in order to justify their idiocy.
>
>
>> This is a lie:
>> 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life
>> support.
>
> It's worse than being on life support - Linux desktop share hangs around for
> years below 2/3 of 1%, a continuing embarrassment to every Linux developer
> and contributor and vendor and "advocate".
It's totally pathetic.
Linux in the server room = yes.
Linux for embedded devices = yes.
Linux on the desktop = no except as a niche market and even that is
pathetic.
JEDIDIAH
...this is just a reflection of the poor math & science education in the US.
The very fact that Linux can manage to linger at that level for an
extended period of time pretty much conclusively demonstrates that
the condition in question is hardly as dangerous as you would have
us believe.
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Rick
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:13:48 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> This is a lie:
>>> You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use.
>>
>> As you know, anyone = very few. This pedantic nitpicking is the only
>> way a moron like you can save face.
>
> Yea, I should have put "anyone" in quotes. I keep forgetting I'm in COLA
> where the idiots have to find something wrong in order to justify their
> idiocy.
Actually, you should just stop spewing your lies.
>
>
>>
>>> This is a lie:
>>> 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life
>>> support.
>>
>> It's worse than being on life support - Linux desktop share hangs
>> around for years below 2/3 of 1%, a continuing embarrassment to every
>> Linux developer and contributor and vendor and "advocate".
>
> It's totally pathetic.
> Linux in the server room = yes.
> Linux for embedded devices = yes.
>
> Linux on the desktop = no except as a niche market and even that is
> pathetic.
Enterprise desktops are just a niche? Yeah, right.
--
Rick
sg...@hotmail.com
> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY professional
> situation"
>
> #152 athttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>
> Linux just works!
I noticed a slow down in my system with .19 - but no freezes. Having
said that, it's easy enough to:
a. Wait for feedback from others before updating (much as you would
with any OS update)
b. Go back to an earlier kernel if there's trouble (which I've done
- .18 is fine - do that with Windows)
c. .20 has already been released and seems to deal with the issue.
Cheers,
Steve
(happy Xubuntu desktop user)
thufir
> You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use. At 0.6
> percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life support.
By some arguments, Windows is free because it's included with the
computer purchased from a store.
-Thufir
Moshe Goldfarb.
Some would say that.
People annoyed at Vista seem to be moving to Mac rather than Linux though.
I know several folks like that and have heard stories of others doing the
same thing.
Rick
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:47:07 GMT, thufir wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:22:39 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use. At
>>> 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life
>>> support.
>>
>>
>> By some arguments, Windows is free because it's included with the
>> computer purchased from a store.
>>
>>
>> -Thufir
>
> Some would say that.
> People annoyed at Vista seem to be moving to Mac rather than Linux
> though. I know several folks like that and have heard stories of others
> doing the same thing.
Wow? No kidding? Moving to the Mac, made by the computer company that's
been making computers for decades? A name many know from school,
television and print advertisement? Moving to a computer that at least 1
in 14 uses? Wow... how did they ever think of that?
--
Rick
Moshe Goldfarb.
They tried Linux, it sucked and they went to Mac.
Rick
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:12:16 -0500, Rick wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:21:11 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 05:47:07 GMT, thufir wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:22:39 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You have a free OS that you can't seem to convince anyone to use. At
>>>>> 0.6 percent of desktop market share Linux is pretty much on life
>>>>> support.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By some arguments, Windows is free because it's included with the
>>>> computer purchased from a store.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Thufir
>>>
>>> Some would say that.
>>> People annoyed at Vista seem to be moving to Mac rather than Linux
>>> though. I know several folks like that and have heard stories of
>>> others doing the same thing.
>>
>> Wow? No kidding? Moving to the Mac, made by the computer company that's
>> been making computers for decades? A name many know from school,
>> television and print advertisement? Moving to a computer that at least
>> 1 in 14 uses? Wow... how did they ever think of that?
>
> They tried Linux, it sucked and they went to Mac.
That's a lie, and you know it. An extremely small number may have tried
Linux. Linux doesn't suck.
--
Rick
Snit
>>> Wow? No kidding? Moving to the Mac, made by the computer company that's
>>> been making computers for decades? A name many know from school,
>>> television and print advertisement? Moving to a computer that at least
>>> 1 in 14 uses? Wow... how did they ever think of that?
>>
>> They tried Linux, it sucked and they went to Mac.
>
> That's a lie, and you know it. An extremely small number may have tried
> Linux. Linux doesn't suck.
Extremely small number? But you said:
Millions have formatted a disk and installed Linux without
problems.
and
People are buying WIndows machines, dumping it, and installing
Linux machines. The Web is teeming with sites describing the
procedure.
Please make up your mind!
--
Is Swiss cheese made out of hole milk?
Moshe Goldfarb.
Bingo.....
Add to that the fact that you can't wander through the magazine section of
any bookstore (Borders, Barnes and Nobel, Coles etc) without seeing
magazines with free Linux DVD's stuck on them.
People know about Linux.
They try it.
They dump it.
Snit
I have seen that many, many times.
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thufir
>> By some arguments, Windows is free because it's included with the
>> computer purchased from a store.
[...]
> Some would say that.
> People annoyed at Vista seem to be moving to Mac rather than Linux
> though. I know several folks like that and have heard stories of others
> doing the same thing.
Which is fantastic because it changes the way people think about
operating systems to more of a commodity view, or at least allows such a
shift to occur. If Joe consumer walks in to walmart and selects his OS
from a list, then that's a good think for Joe consumer (or Joe, Inc.).
-Thufir
JEDIDIAH
...even that's not necessary.
It would be sufficient if there was diversity and OS wasn't even
a consideration (grannies are no longer afraid of the Mac) or
there are multiple options available and none of them are
necessarily marginalized.
--
The average IT manager is a less effective mentor than a
Spongebob Squarepants cartoon.
DFS
It's a bad thing for the less knowledgeable consumer, who might be misled
into buying a Linux crapware system.
It's a bad thing for the retailer, who has to train staff on multiple
operating systems.
It's a bad thing for the OEM, who has to support multiple operating systems.
It's a bad thing for the app developer, who has to develop multiple
versions.
Worst of all, when those parts of the distribution channel do their part,
the cheap-ass Linux lusers fail to do theirs.
Everyone loses with Linux.
Roberto Chavez
>>
>>> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY
>>> professional situation"
>>>
>>> #152 at
>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>>>
>>> Linux just works!
>>
>
> I think we all realise you're a bit simple now Rick, so have a cookie and
> go and read the thread Ralphie Boy, err, I mean Rick.
Perdóneme, Sr. Hadron, pero Vista es no fiable.
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/03/28/29-of-windows-vista-crashes-caused-by-nvidia-drivers/
[quote]
If you were an early adopter of Windows Vista, there's a pretty good chance
you became familiar with one of Vista's coolest new features: an automatic
crash reporting utility that will recommend solutions if and when they become
available. Or to put it another way, if you tried running Windows Vista on
many machines, there was a good chance your computer crashed. A lot. Even if
the manufacturer had slapped a shiny new label proclaiming the computer to be
"Vista Capable."
[/quote]
Rick
By you logic, everyone loses with the Mac, too.
--
Rick
DFS
That's the straight-up truth, and you know it.
> An extremely small number may have
> tried Linux. Linux doesn't suck.
If Linux didn't suck so bad I would have been able to post a link to a
screenshot taken by Linux showing the Debian crapware refusing to launch
(click and nothing happens) 4 of the 5 database items in the Gnome |
Applications | Debian | Apps | Databases menu. But the gnome-screenshot
crudware won't let you take screenshots with the menus expanded, because you
have to go to a different place in the menus, or to a terminal, to launch
the screenshot (cr)app and then the original expanded menu is gone.
Unfortunately, once again, the user-unfriendly dirtware sucks so bad it's
hard to prove how bad it sucks.
Windows to the rescue:
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/Debian_crapware_wont_launch_apps.png
Linux just works!
MS is doomed!
DFS
No, because people pay for Mac systems and buy Mac software, and the whole
Apple ecosystem thrives. Linux on the other hand...
Rick
> Rick wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:14:51 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>>> They tried Linux, it sucked and they went to Mac.
>>
>> That's a lie, and you know it.
>
> That's the straight-up truth, and you know it.
>
>
>
>> An extremely small number may have
>> tried Linux. Linux doesn't suck.
>
> If Linux didn't suck so bad I would have been able to post a link to a
> screenshot taken by Linux showing the Debian crapware
Well, there goes any credibility this post might have had.
(snip)
--
Rick
Rick
People buy computers. Some pay for Linux to be installed. The whole OSS
ecosystem thrives.
--
Rick
Chris Burris
>
> Pe
Hi Wendy!
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Rick wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:14:51 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>>> They tried Linux, it sucked and they went to Mac.
>>
>> That's a lie, and you know it.
>
> That's the straight-up truth, and you know it.
>
>
>
>> An extremely small number may have
>> tried Linux. Linux doesn't suck.
>
> If Linux didn't suck so bad I would have been able to post a link to a
> screenshot taken by Linux showing the Debian crapware refusing to launch
> (click and nothing happens) 4 of the 5 database items in the Gnome |
> Applications | Debian | Apps | Databases menu. But the gnome-screenshot
> crudware won't let you take screenshots with the menus expanded, because you
> have to go to a different place in the menus, or to a terminal, to launch
> the screenshot (cr)app and then the original expanded menu is gone.
>
> Unfortunately, once again, the user-unfriendly dirtware sucks so bad it's
> hard to prove how bad it sucks.
Hadron should add that last line to his sig collection!
It's a classic!
> Windows to the rescue:
> http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/Debian_crapware_wont_launch_apps.png
That looks awful....
Reminds me of Geos (great program at the time) circa 1990.
> Linux just works!
> MS is doomed!
Haha...
DFS
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:30:02 -0400, DFS wrote:
>> Unfortunately, once again, the user-unfriendly dirtware sucks so bad
>> it's hard to prove how bad it sucks.
>
> Hadron should add that last line to his sig collection!
> It's a classic!
He likes Debian, so he probably won't.
But I'm not kidding: you can't take screenshots of your menus with the
gnome-screenshot crapware (you can with KSnapshot). Cue some Linux moron to
show me a CLI command: "gnome-screenshot delay -5 xvw +hp NULL > void | cat
| dog | turtle = \|/"
>> Windows to the rescue:
>> http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/Debian_crapware_wont_launch_apps.png
>
> That looks awful....
> Reminds me of Geos (great program at the time) circa 1990.
I don't like Gnome. It's boring and pedestrian and like most Linux
desktops, the dialogs are way too big for the small amount of info on them.
I tried to drag the whole Applications menu into the Trash icon, but it
didn't work...
thufir
>> Which is fantastic because it changes the way people think about
>> operating systems to more of a commodity view, or at least allows such
>> a shift to occur. If Joe consumer walks in to walmart and selects his
>> OS from a list, then that's a good think for Joe consumer (or Joe,
>> Inc.).
>
> It's a bad thing for the less knowledgeable consumer, who might be
> misled into buying a Linux crapware system.
When you, the consumer, goes to buy a widget and there's a selection
that's bad? You would've fit in real well in the USSR -- one type of
widget.
-Thufir
Moshe Goldfarb.
> Perdóneme, Sr. Hadron, pero Vista es no fiable.
>
> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/03/28/29-of-windows-vista-crashes-caused-by-nvidia-drivers/
>
> [quote]
> If you were an early adopter of Windows Vista, there's a pretty good chance
How's the toilet these days 'Wendy' ?
Hadron
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:30:02 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:14:51 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>>> They tried Linux, it sucked and they went to Mac.
>>>
>>> That's a lie, and you know it.
>>
>> That's the straight-up truth, and you know it.
>>
>>
>>
>>> An extremely small number may have
>>> tried Linux. Linux doesn't suck.
>>
>> If Linux didn't suck so bad I would have been able to post a link to a
>> screenshot taken by Linux showing the Debian crapware refusing to launch
>> (click and nothing happens) 4 of the 5 database items in the Gnome |
>> Applications | Debian | Apps | Databases menu. But the gnome-screenshot
>> crudware won't let you take screenshots with the menus expanded, because you
>> have to go to a different place in the menus, or to a terminal, to launch
>> the screenshot (cr)app and then the original expanded menu is gone.
>>
>> Unfortunately, once again, the user-unfriendly dirtware sucks so bad it's
>> hard to prove how bad it sucks.
>
> Hadron should add that last line to his sig collection!
> It's a classic!
Done!
--
"Well we know Quack is an inveterate liar & troll with no credibility, so
you cannot take *anything* he says as being true."
-- William Poaster showing his love for Hadron despite claiming never to read his posts in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Hadron
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:30:02 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>>> Unfortunately, once again, the user-unfriendly dirtware sucks so bad
>>> it's hard to prove how bad it sucks.
>>
>> Hadron should add that last line to his sig collection!
>> It's a classic!
>
> He likes Debian, so he probably won't.
>
I love Debian. But am not blind to the faults. The entire Gnome v KDE
app thing pisses me off. I too use KSnaphot since its so much better
than the Gnome one. Result? Yup. Fragmented UI. Why not have ONE fucking
tool? One which does it all. One which works. They both talk to X after
all.
> But I'm not kidding: you can't take screenshots of your menus with the
> gnome-screenshot crapware (you can with KSnapshot). Cue some Linux moron to
> show me a CLI command: "gnome-screenshot delay -5 xvw +hp NULL > void | cat
> | dog | turtle = \|/"
You can in Gnome too. applications->accessories->take screenshot. Set a
delay then bring up the app and drop the menu down.
>
>
>
>
>>> Windows to the rescue:
>>> http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/Debian_crapware_wont_launch_apps.png
>>
>> That looks awful....
>> Reminds me of Geos (great program at the time) circa 1990.
>
> I don't like Gnome. It's boring and pedestrian and like most Linux
> desktops, the dialogs are way too big for the small amount of info on
> them.
I disagree. I find Gnome clean and does its job without getting in my way.
>
> I tried to drag the whole Applications menu into the Trash icon, but it
> didn't work...
LOL.
Rick
> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:30:02 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>>> Unfortunately, once again, the user-unfriendly dirtware sucks so bad
>>>> it's hard to prove how bad it sucks.
>>>
>>> Hadron should add that last line to his sig collection! It's a
>>> classic!
>>
>> He likes Debian, so he probably won't.
>>
>>
> I love Debian. But am not blind to the faults. The entire Gnome v KDE
> app thing pisses me off. I too use KSnaphot since its so much better
> than the Gnome one. Result? Yup. Fragmented UI. Why not have ONE fucking
> tool? One which does it all. One which works. They both talk to X after
> all.
The Gnome developers wanted fully GPLed widgets and desktop environment,
so they developed Gnome. Apparently they have a different opinion on how
apps and software should look and act. You should be happy that KDE apps
can work in Gnome.
>
>> But I'm not kidding: you can't take screenshots of your menus with the
>> gnome-screenshot crapware (you can with KSnapshot). Cue some Linux
>> moron to show me a CLI command: "gnome-screenshot delay -5 xvw +hp NULL
>> > void | cat | dog | turtle = \|/"
>
> You can in Gnome too. applications->accessories->take screenshot. Set a
> delay then bring up the app and drop the menu down.
Then use the Gnome utility so you won't be confused.
>>>> Windows to the rescue:
>>>> http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/
Debian_crapware_wont_launch_apps.png
>>>
>>> That looks awful....
>>> Reminds me of Geos (great program at the time) circa 1990.
>>
>> I don't like Gnome. It's boring and pedestrian and like most Linux
>> desktops, the dialogs are way too big for the small amount of info on
>> them.
>
> I disagree. I find Gnome clean and does its job without getting in my
> way.
Then use Gnome and its apps. Consistency problem solved.
>
>
>> I tried to drag the whole Applications menu into the Trash icon, but it
>> didn't work...
>
> LOL.
--
Rick
DFS
> I love Debian. But am not blind to the faults. The entire Gnome v KDE
> app thing pisses me off. I too use KSnaphot since its so much better
> than the Gnome one. Result? Yup. Fragmented UI. Why not have ONE
> fucking tool? One which does it all. One which works. They both talk
> to X after all.
You're sooooo anti-choice!
> You can in Gnome too. applications->accessories->take screenshot. Set
> a delay then bring up the app and drop the menu down.
There's no place to set a delay
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/gnome-screenshot-slop.png
There's a CLI command
gnome-panel-screenshot --windows --delay=N
but to make it work you have to enter the command, then switch to the window
you want to get a picture of. If you leave off the --windows switch, you
always have the terminal window in the screenshot, unless you enter the
command then hurry to minimize the terminal to the taskbar.
On the whole, it's a mess and much more work than it should be. Why can I
just hit PrtScn and paste the pic in an app or email (which I do a dozen
times a day on XP at work).
> I disagree. I find Gnome clean and does its job without getting in my
> way.
I just don't like it - almost nothing about it appeals to me, at least in
its default look. Not that I couldn't get used to it. The menu arrangement
is decent, but I don't like the apps or the font or font size or Nautilus.
It just looks and feels like a kiddie system to me, compared to KDE.
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> I love Debian. But am not blind to the faults. The entire Gnome v KDE
>> app thing pisses me off. I too use KSnaphot since its so much better
>> than the Gnome one. Result? Yup. Fragmented UI. Why not have ONE
>> fucking tool? One which does it all. One which works. They both talk
>> to X after all.
>
> You're sooooo anti-choice!
>
>
>
>> You can in Gnome too. applications->accessories->take screenshot. Set
>> a delay then bring up the app and drop the menu down.
>
>
> There's no place to set a delay
> http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/gnome-screenshot-slop.png
There is on the one I mentioned called "Take Screenshot" in the
accessories menu. I brought up help but it was empty so cant tell you
the name of the app or the version .... Yes I know I can edit menus but
cant be arsed.
--
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-- William Poaster <w...@leafnode.amd64.eu> boring people to death with his header compulsion in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Rick
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> I love Debian. But am not blind to the faults. The entire Gnome v KDE
>> app thing pisses me off. I too use KSnaphot since its so much better
>> than the Gnome one. Result? Yup. Fragmented UI. Why not have ONE
>> fucking tool? One which does it all. One which works. They both talk to
>> X after all.
>
> You're sooooo anti-choice!
>
>
>
>> You can in Gnome too. applications->accessories->take screenshot. Set a
>> delay then bring up the app and drop the menu down.
>
>
> There's no place to set a delay
> http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/gnome-screenshot-slop.png
>
> There's a CLI command
>
> gnome-panel-screenshot --windows --delay=N
>
> but to make it work you have to enter the command, then switch to the
> window you want to get a picture of. If you leave off the --windows
> switch, you always have the terminal window in the screenshot, unless
> you enter the command then hurry to minimize the terminal to the
> taskbar.
>
> On the whole, it's a mess and much more work than it should be. Why can
> I just hit PrtScn and paste the pic in an app or email (which I do a
> dozen times a day on XP at work).
Because you aren't using windows. Why do you think Window related keys
would work the same way under a Linux distro??
>
>
>
>> I disagree. I find Gnome clean and does its job without getting in my
>> way.
>
> I just don't like it - almost nothing about it appeals to me, at least
> in its default look.
Then don't use it.
> Not that I couldn't get used to it. The menu
> arrangement is decent, but I don't like the apps or the font or font
> size or Nautilus. It just looks and feels like a kiddie system to me,
> compared to KDE.
Then use KDE.
--
Rick
Rick
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> I love Debian. But am not blind to the faults. The entire Gnome v KDE
>> app thing pisses me off. I too use KSnaphot since its so much better
>> than the Gnome one. Result? Yup. Fragmented UI. Why not have ONE
>> fucking tool? One which does it all. One which works. They both talk to
>> X after all.
>
> You're sooooo anti-choice!
>
>
>
>> You can in Gnome too. applications->accessories->take screenshot. Set a
>> delay then bring up the app and drop the menu down.
>
>
> There's no place to set a delay
> http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/gnome-screenshot-slop.png
>
> There's a CLI command
>
> gnome-panel-screenshot --windows --delay=N
>
> but to make it work you have to enter the command, then switch to the
> window you want to get a picture of. If you leave off the --windows
> switch, you always have the terminal window in the screenshot, unless
> you enter the command then hurry to minimize the terminal to the
> taskbar.
>
> On the whole, it's a mess and much more work than it should be. Why can
> I just hit PrtScn and paste the pic in an app or email (which I do a
> dozen times a day on XP at work).
>
Well.. my earlier reply is a mistake. You can take a screen shot with the
printscreen key in Gnome. You do have to save it before you use it
though. And apparently you can get the active window with alt-print
screen.
--
Rick
Rick
> "DFS" <nospam@dfs_.com> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> I love Debian. But am not blind to the faults. The entire Gnome v KDE
>>> app thing pisses me off. I too use KSnaphot since its so much better
>>> than the Gnome one. Result? Yup. Fragmented UI. Why not have ONE
>>> fucking tool? One which does it all. One which works. They both talk
>>> to X after all.
>>
>> You're sooooo anti-choice!
>>
>>
>>
>>> You can in Gnome too. applications->accessories->take screenshot. Set
>>> a delay then bring up the app and drop the menu down.
>>
>>
>> There's no place to set a delay
>> http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/gnome-screenshot-slop.png
>
> There is on the one I mentioned called "Take Screenshot" in the
> accessories menu. I brought up help but it was empty so cant tell you
> the name of the app or the version .... Yes I know I can edit menus but
> cant be arsed.
Can you be bothered to hit print screen, and save the file, or alt -print
screen and save the file?
--
Rick
Hadron
Yes you were wrong. What made you think you were qualified to comment on
something you knew nothing about?
Rick
.. like you do. Just hit print screen, save you screen shot, and shut up.
--
Rick
Hadron
Rick - there is no need to prove how dumb you are with EVERY post. I
KNOW about prtscr, I KNOW about alt-prtscr.
NEITHER work if a menu has dropped down. If you hit alt the menu
closes. If you just hit prtscr nothing happens since its not recognised
by the menu key handler.
This was the entire point of me recommending what I recommended with the
delay option in the GUI dialog.
Rick
Looks like you need to use a different environment. Or learn to use the
one you have.
BTW, just trying to help telling you about prtscr. I don't have that
problem. I use KDE. Oh.. you mean different environments are different?
Really?
--
Rick
Hadron
See other reply. This does NOT work in the cases required in this thread.
Hadron
Why help me? I know about them.
> problem. I use KDE. Oh.. you mean different environments are different?
> Really?
prtscr defaults to screen shot in KDE? I thought it didn't.
Now, does it work with a menu dropped down in firefox for example? Be
honest. It doesn't in gnome.
Rick
Yup .. no good deed goes unpunished.
>
>> problem. I use KDE. Oh.. you mean different environments are different?
>> Really?
>
> prtscr defaults to screen shot in KDE? I thought it didn't.
No, it doesn't .. as in ... I don't have your problem. I use KDE. I can
easily take a timed screenshot of the whole screen or part of it...Oh..
you mean different environments are different? Really?
>
> Now, does it work with a menu dropped down in firefox for example? Be
> honest. It doesn't in gnome.
Are you asking if hitting print screen works in KDE? No.
Are you asking if I can take a picture of the active window with the menu
down in KDE? Yes.
Are you asking if I can take a screenshot in Gnome, use a Gnome app, with
a delay, of the current window, with a menu displayed? Yes.
<http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/Firefox.png>
I used the take snapshot accessory. Set it for a delay of 5 seconds and
to grab the current window.
--
Rick
Rick
Use Take Snapshot accessory.
--
Rick
Hadron
Makes no sense.
>
>>
>>> problem. I use KDE. Oh.. you mean different environments are different?
>>> Really?
>>
>> prtscr defaults to screen shot in KDE? I thought it didn't.
>
> No, it doesn't .. as in ... I don't have your problem. I use KDE. I can
> easily take a timed screenshot of the whole screen or part of it...Oh..
> you mean different environments are different? Really?
As are different apps. What are you talking about? You were wrong about
using prtscr and about using alt-prtscr in the scenario required. You
were wrong. Again.
>
>>
>> Now, does it work with a menu dropped down in firefox for example? Be
>> honest. It doesn't in gnome.
>
> Are you asking if hitting print screen works in KDE? No.
So why recommend it?
> Are you asking if I can take a picture of the active window with the menu
> down in KDE? Yes.
>
> Are you asking if I can take a screenshot in Gnome, use a Gnome app, with
> a delay, of the current window, with a menu displayed? Yes.
> <http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/Firefox.png>
Are you really so dumb. I have already explained twice that I know how
to do this using the delay in the GUI.
> I used the take snapshot accessory. Set it for a delay of 5 seconds and
> to grab the current window.
Its installed in KDE too? Why are you explaining what I already told you
and DFS?
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-- Liarnut in comp.os.linux.advocacy
Hadron
Can you REALLY be this f*cking dumb? Please scroll up and see where I
told YOU and DFS how to use this and why.
DFS
> Because you aren't using windows. Why do you think Window related keys
> would work the same way under a Linux distro??
Because sometimes they do.
On some KDE-based distros PrtScn brings up Ksnapshot. On other KDE-based
distros it doesn't. Consistency and usability is one thing you can NEVER
count on with the free-wheeling world of amateur crapware written by low- or
unpaid hackers.
> Then don't use it.
There was no KDE option when I installed Debian.
> Then use KDE.
I'm sure installing KDE via Synaptic will work first time, every time...
ha... it can't even install abakus and add a menu item - what chance do I
have with a whole desktop environment?
Snit
p-idnaGbhPUl_fvV...@supernews.com on 6/28/08 9:03 AM:
...
>>> He likes Debian, so he probably won't.
>>>
>>>
>> I love Debian. But am not blind to the faults. The entire Gnome v KDE
>> app thing pisses me off. I too use KSnaphot since its so much better
>> than the Gnome one. Result? Yup. Fragmented UI. Why not have ONE fucking
>> tool? One which does it all. One which works. They both talk to X after
>> all.
>
> The Gnome developers wanted fully GPLed widgets and desktop environment,
> so they developed Gnome. Apparently they have a different opinion on how
> apps and software should look and act. You should be happy that KDE apps
> can work in Gnome.
I am happy that they work, but like you I recognize the downsides:
Rick:
I never said a consistent interface wasn't important.
Rick:
Actually my view is not so different from usability experts.
It does enhance usability to have menus and controls in the
same places across applications. The more uniform or
consistent that is, the better for the user. I have said this
many times before. I am not coming around to your point of
view.
Rick:
I have repeatedly said I agree that that consistency across
an interface lowers errors and increases efficiency of use.
Frankly I am glad you agree with me on those things.
--
"The music is not inside the piano." - Alan Kay
JEDIDIAH
> Rick wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:23:49 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:21:11 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> By some arguments, Windows is free because it's included with the
>>>>>> computer purchased from a store.
>>>> [...]
>>>>> Some would say that.
>>>>> People annoyed at Vista seem to be moving to Mac rather than Linux
>>>>> though. I know several folks like that and have heard stories of
>>>>> others doing the same thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which is fantastic because it changes the way people think about
>>>> operating systems to more of a commodity view, or at least allows
>>>> such a shift to occur. If Joe consumer walks in to walmart and
>>>> selects his OS from a list, then that's a good think for Joe
>>>> consumer (or Joe, Inc.).
>>>
>>> It's a bad thing for the less knowledgeable consumer, who might be
>>> misled into buying a Linux crapware system.
>>>
>>> operating systems.
>>>
>>> It's a bad thing for the OEM, who has to support multiple operating
>>> systems.
>>>
>>> It's a bad thing for the app developer, who has to develop multiple
>>> versions.
>>>
>>> Worst of all, when those parts of the distribution channel do their
>>> part, the cheap-ass Linux lusers fail to do theirs.
>>>
>>> Everyone loses with Linux.
>>
>> By you logic, everyone loses with the Mac, too.
>
> No, because people pay for Mac systems and buy Mac software, and the whole
> Apple ecosystem thrives. Linux on the other hand...
...leads to sales of more Linux compatable software and hardware.
Those guys in Hauppauge NY probably like it when more Linux boxes are sold...
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DFS
> Well.. my earlier reply is a mistake. You can take a screen shot with
> the printscreen key in Gnome.
At least on my install of Debian Etch in Virtual Box, you can't take a
screenshot with PrtScn if any menus are expanded, whether it's 1-level or
4-levels as shown here
http://www.angelfire.com/linux/dfs0/Debian_crapware_wont_launch_apps.png
The only way is to expand the menus, then launch a terminal and enter
"gnome-panel-screenshot --delay=N" (delay so you can minimize the terminal
windows so it's not in the picture.
> You do have to save it before you use it
> though.
First you have to deal with the hassles of saving it, then you have to go
into your destination app (word processing or image editor or email client)
and go through all the hassles of importing the file, then you have to go
back and delete the screenshot image file. All that just to get a
screenshot some place where it can be used?
Linux: it just makes you work
Cyanocobalamine-Hydrocobamine-derivaat-injectiecyclus-met-zaagtandvormige B12-lijn
news:4865a901$0$25950$6e1e...@read.cnntp.org...>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:03:02 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> "it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to use that version 8,04 in ANY
>>>> professional situation"
>>>>
>>>> #152 at
>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=16
>>>>
>>>> Linux just works!
>>>
>>> Yes, it does.
>>
>> I think we all realise you're a bit simple now Rick, so have a cookie and
>> go and read the thread Ralphie Boy, err, I mean Rick.
>
> Perdóneme, Sr. Hadron,
HighPlainsThumper_Rafael_GeorgeHostler_WendyToiletwater_Roberto_Chavez_Cocksucker_RobinTCox_Liar_PhilDaLick_Retard_Nymshifter_NetKKKop_Netnanny
= an idiot!
Rick
Not to you, but then good deeds must be foreign to you.
>
>
>>
>>>> problem. I use KDE. Oh.. you mean different environments are
>>>> different? Really?
>>>
>>> prtscr defaults to screen shot in KDE? I thought it didn't.
>>
>> No, it doesn't .. as in ... I don't have your problem. I use KDE. I can
>> easily take a timed screenshot of the whole screen or part of it...Oh..
>> you mean different environments are different? Really?
>
> As are different apps. What are you talking about?
Different distros are ... different. Different environments and there
apps are .. different.
> You were wrong about
> using prtscr and about using alt-prtscr in the scenario required. You
> were wrong. Again.
Well, let's give you the benefit of the doubt. prtscr and alt-prtscr
don't work in your required scenario. I am so, so sorry.
>>
>>
>>> Now, does it work with a menu dropped down in firefox for example? Be
>>> honest. It doesn't in gnome.
>>
>> Are you asking if hitting print screen works in KDE? No.
>
> So why recommend it?
I didn't. I recommended for Gnome.
>
>> Are you asking if I can take a picture of the active window with the
>> menu down in KDE? Yes.
>>
>> Are you asking if I can take a screenshot in Gnome, use a Gnome app,
>> with a delay, of the current window, with a menu displayed? Yes.
>> <http://ricks-place.tripod.com/stuff/Firefox.png>
>
> Are you really so dumb. I have already explained twice that I know how
> to do this using the delay in the GUI.
>
>> I used the take snapshot accessory. Set it for a delay of 5 seconds and
>> to grab the current window.
>
> Its installed in KDE too?
KSnapshot is installed in KDE. Take Snapshot is installed in Gnome.
>Why are you explaining what I already told you
> and DFS?
Maybe you explain just have to use that KDE app in Gnome then?
--
Rick
Rick
Hmmm. is it possible have gotten the threads of you 2 confused? Is it?
Wow. If it is I do apologize to you and DFS.
--
Rick
Rick
Take snapshot from Accessories menu. Has Hadron mentioned that to you?
Very easy. GUI thing.
--
Rick
Tattoo Vampire
> I love Debian.
[snip remaining lies]
You don't use Linux, moron.
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Good to the last supper
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> I love Debian.
>
> [snip remaining lies]
>
> You don't use Linux, moron.
It shows how dumb you are if you really think that.
--
I really think XP is going to be a flop. Between the glut of hardware out
there (and slowing down of purchasing), and the fact that W2K is
sufficient for so many casual users.... I just don't see it taking off.
comp.os.linux.advocacy - where they put the lunacy in advocacy
Peter Köhlmann
> Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> I love Debian.
>>
>> [snip remaining lies]
>>
>> You don't use Linux, moron.
>
> It shows how dumb you are if you really think that.
>
No, he is right. You *claim* to use linux. And at the same time are
marvellous incompetent about it, "true linux advocate", "kernel
hacker", "emacs user", "swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS
guru", "USB-disk server admin", "defragger professional", "newsreader
magician", "hardware maven", "time coordinator", "email sage" and "OSS
culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka Richard,
aka Damian O'Leary
--
Windows is just the instable version of Linux for users who are too
dumb to handle the real thing
Tattoo Vampire
> It shows how dumb you are if you really think that.
You use Linux about as often as your compadre Flatfarb does.
--
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...Be reasonable......do it my way.
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> It shows how dumb you are if you really think that.
>
> You use Linux about as often as your compadre Flatfarb does.
Please see previous reply. I can post links to me posting advice,
guidance and advocacy for Linux. All you ever do is swear and type a
load of nonsense. It's people like you who real advocates despise so
much. You give Linux and Linux users a bad name.
--
"For example, user interfaces are _usually_ better in commercial software.
I'm not saying that this is always true, but in many cases the user
interface to a program is the most important part for a commercial
company..." Linus Torvalds <http://www.tlug.jp/docs/linus.html>
Edwin
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> writes:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love Debian.
>>> [snip remaining lies]
>>>
>>> You don't use Linux, moron.
>> It shows how dumb you are if you really think that.
>>
>
> No, he is right.
He is? How do you account for this:
"User Agent: emacs 23.0.0"
[snip]
Hadron
Peter Köhlmann
How do you account for Emacs on windows?
Apart from the fact that user-agent spoofing is about the oldest trick in
the troll-tool-chest
--
Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
you with experience...
Rick
> Edwin wrote:
>
>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tattoo Vampire <sit...@this.computer> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I love Debian.
>>>>> [snip remaining lies]
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't use Linux, moron.
>>>> It shows how dumb you are if you really think that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, he is right.
>>
>> He is? How do you account for this:
>>
>> "User Agent: emacs 23.0.0"
>>
>> [snip]
>
> How do you account for Emacs on windows?
>
> Apart from the fact that user-agent spoofing is about the oldest trick
> in the troll-tool-chest
<http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html>
--
Rick
Tattoo Vampire
> Please see previous reply. I can post links to me posting advice,
> guidance and advocacy for Linux. All you ever do is swear and type a
> load of nonsense. It's people like you who real advocates despise so
> much. You give Linux and Linux users a bad name.
Quack: blow me.
--
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...What if there were no hypothetical questions?
Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Please see previous reply. I can post links to me posting advice,
>> guidance and advocacy for Linux. All you ever do is swear and type a
>> load of nonsense. It's people like you who real advocates despise so
>> much. You give Linux and Linux users a bad name.
>
> Quack: blow me.
I think you need to talk to Marti for that kind of thing.
--
- "Actually XP *is* getting press, but most of it is along the lines of
"we're going to wait and see", in other words not very good."
Tattoo Vampire
> "User Agent: emacs 23.0.0"
Forged. Even an idiot like Quack could figure out how to do that.
--
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...What if there were no hypothetical questions?
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Hadron
> Edwin wrote:
>
>> "User Agent: emacs 23.0.0"
>
> Forged. Even an idiot like Quack could figure out how to do that.
Was this forged too you mutton head?
http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/nXhtml/doc/nxhtml-changes.html
--
- "Actually XP *is* getting press, but most of it is along the lines of
"we're going to wait and see", in other words not very good."
Tattoo Vampire
> I can post links to me posting advice, guidance and advocacy for Linux.
"LOOK AT ME!!!! LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!!!!"
The occasional advocacy post thrown in with the other 98% of your posts
slamming Linux are yet another typical troll tactic.
--
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Hadron
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> I can post links to me posting advice, guidance and advocacy for Linux.
>
>
> "LOOK AT ME!!!! LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!!!!"
>
> The occasional advocacy post thrown in with the other 98% of your posts
> slamming Linux are yet another typical troll tactic.
Can you post links to me "slamming Linux"? I slam crappy OSS when its
not done right and morons like you claim its "perfect" and "works for
you". Don't you get it. This group is not about Linux - its about you
and your ilk and your pathological hatred for Windows. Or so it seems.
--
"True. Due to a lack of competition, there essentially have been no
improvements to Microsoft's operating system and office software. It
just works."
-- High Plains Thumper <highplai...@invalid.invalid> in comp.os.linux.advocacy
William Poaster
> Edwin wrote:
>
>> "User Agent: emacs 23.0.0"
>
> Forged. Even an idiot like Quack could figure out how to do that.
He could even be using the Windows version of Emacs, & change some
headers.
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William Poaster
> Hadron wrote:
>
>> I can post links to me posting advice, guidance and advocacy for Linux.
>
>
> "LOOK AT ME!!!! LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!!!!"
>
> The occasional advocacy post thrown in with the other 98% of your posts
> slamming Linux are yet another typical troll tactic.
Quack, advocacy for Linux? Where?
All the troll does is denigrate, whine & moan about linux, & push M$
products as much as it can.
<quote>
Linux as a desktop OS is pretty much doomed it would appear.
Too little too late.
<unquote>
Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <fnd3jj$or8$2...@registered.motzarella.org>
comp.os.linux.advocacy
Fri, 25 Jan 2008
<quote>
So you think it's tougher for Free (as in beer) SW to replace MS SW? It
doesn't replace the MS stuff generally because the "free" application SW
is piss poor in relation to the purchased versions. The obvious
exceptions are already well documented here.
LOL. You guys just get nuttier by the day.
<unquote>
From: Hadron <hadro...@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <osbn15-...@news.individual.net>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007
Even others in another group noticed his "advocacy"
<quote>
There is a certain amount of hostility towards Linux in most of your
posts. Your statement above is one prime example. Google can reveal plenty
others. Even a blind person reading this newsgroup could pretty quickly
figure out that you do appear to favor MS...hence why question why do you
bother with linux?
<unquote>
From: Stephan Rose <nos...@spammer.com>
Message-ID: <DoCdnQ1r36i7Bx_a...@giganews.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux.ubuntu
Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008
<quote>
Anyone who says Open Office is as
good as MS Office is living in denial
<unquote>
From: Hadron Quark <hadro...@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87wsxqr...@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: what if Microsoft owned Nintendo ..
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007
If Quack thinks that is "linux advocacy", *he's* the one in denial.
Tattoo Vampire
> Was this forged too you mutton head?
>
> http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/nXhtml/doc/nxhtml-changes.html
Who knows? There might be many people using "Hadron Quark" as a nym.
You're still a fucking idiot, btw.
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