Yay! Windows 7 and more Toolbars!

Justin

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Nov 21, 2009, 7:30:02 PM11/21/09

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I'm glad I only paid $30 for this copy of Windows 7 Professional.
I would tell everyone to to do the same thing on eBay and search for
Windows 7 Professional key but right now eBay's search function is not
working.
Maybe they use Windows!
Anyway I'm going over each toolbar opportunity I encountered.
Let us begin.

Adobe Flash! Yes, thanks Adobe.
Because that extra 0.002% of revenue Google gave you probably paid for a
corporate luau.
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7204/windows7adobeflashinsta.jpg

But since Adobe is so awesome, they gave me a choice! How much did
Mcafee give them? $100,000? $200,000?
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7204/windows7adobeflashinsta.jpg

Thank you Adobe and Microsoft! Luckily my Mac has PDF read and write
capability built in so I don't have to deal with this crap.
It on;y I could install a few TSR programs that do nothing. Maybe one
that monitors constantly when there's a update - Oh wait! My dream came
true. Adobe Online monitors when there's an update, and begins
downloading automatically. Usually when you're trying to send a large
file to a client. Then they bury the setting to disable it.
Once again - need to worry about that on my Mac.
How do you Dozers put up with this? Honest question. Are you "happy"
you're using the same OS as everyone else? Conform! When you're done
conforming, conform some more!

Joel

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:05:40 PM11/21/09

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Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

>How do you Dozers put up with this? Honest question. Are you "happy"
>you're using the same OS as everyone else? Conform! When you're done
>conforming, conform some more!

I just uncheck all those toolbar/etc. options when I install
something. If an installer sets something to run on boot-up, I go
into the registry or Start\Programs\Startup and delete it, and kill
the process if it's already running. I control my computer. It's not
really that hard.

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Mr. Bee

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:17:38 PM11/21/09

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Justin wrote:

Little boy, go lay down in your crib. Your mama will be there soon to
change you and give you your bottle, you cross posting little fool.

Mr. Bee

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:20:05 PM11/21/09

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Little Justin seeks attention, because his mommy left him alone in his
room in his crib.

Peter Köhlmann

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:25:49 PM11/21/09

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Mr. Bee wrote:

And tiny "Mr. Bee" is just all too aware that he is inferior to everyone
else. Even to Snot Michael Glasser and Hadron Snot Quark.

Which is quite some "achievement". Usually one has to work very hard on it
to be dumber than those
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I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

Mr. Bee

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:35:22 PM11/21/09

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And you Petey Little Humping dog, you are no better than anyone you
stupid *clown*. You talk all this crap about how good you are with
Linux, but mind you stupid, your dumbass can get a job using Linux.

What's paying the bills for you stupid? Can you say MICROSOFT.

I find you to be a pathetic hypocrite.

Snit

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:41:40 PM11/21/09

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Peter K�hlmann stated in post hea3uu$e8o$01$1...@news.t-online.com on 11/21/09
6:25 PM:

You speak from experience, obviously.

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Snit

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:42:19 PM11/21/09

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Mr. Bee stated in post MJadnQHW8aLwCJXW...@earthlink.com on
11/21/09 6:35 PM:

Peter humiliates himself whenever he tries to talk about Linux. How do you
expect him to get a job where he would use it?

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Mr. Bee

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:46:45 PM11/21/09

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Petey Humping dog barks like his the greatest thing since slice toast
with his tail high on his back.

He is the biggest tail wagging hypocrite I have ever seen -- bar none.

Chance Furlong

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:54:17 PM11/21/09

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In article <DbOdnV6fhObeDJXW...@earthlink.com>,
"Mr. Bee" <MrB...@Bee1.hive> wrote:

How are things in the hive, Little Queenie?

Chance Furlong

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:55:36 PM11/21/09

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In article <9f3hg557j34bnhoda...@4ax.com>,
Joel <joel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
>
> >How do you Dozers put up with this? Honest question. Are you "happy"
> >you're using the same OS as everyone else? Conform! When you're done
> >conforming, conform some more!
>
>
> I just uncheck all those toolbar/etc. options when I install

> something. If an installer sets something to run on boot up, I go

> into the registry or Start\Programs\Startup and delete it, and kill
> the process if it's already running. I control my computer. It's not
> really that hard.

But Steve Ballmer controls you.

Chance Furlong

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:56:37 PM11/21/09

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In article <DbOdnVmfhOZSDJXW...@earthlink.com>,
"Mr. Bee" <MrB...@Bee1.hive> wrote:

And you seek attention from Snit because he left you in the hive all day.

Chance Furlong

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Nov 21, 2009, 8:57:27 PM11/21/09

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In article <C72DE4E4.55317%use...@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

And you as well.

Mr. Bee

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:00:42 PM11/21/09

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How are things going in the chicken coup Chance Foghorn Leghorn?

Snit

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:03:25 PM11/21/09

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Chance Furlong stated in post T-Bone-DDC588....@news.giganews.com
on 11/21/09 6:57 PM:

You just showed you did not follow the conversation.

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Mr. Bee

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:03:29 PM11/21/09

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<yawn>

And you seek attention period Chance Foghorn Leghorn while you flap your
wings and you crow.

Mr. Bee

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:08:04 PM11/21/09

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All I see here from Chance Foghorn Leghorn is it's trying to hump Petey
Humping dog on the COLA farm.

Joel

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:15:49 PM11/21/09

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Chance Furlong <T-B...@megakatcity.com> wrote:

>> I just uncheck all those toolbar/etc. options when I install
>> something. If an installer sets something to run on boot up, I go
>> into the registry or Start\Programs\Startup and delete it, and kill
>> the process if it's already running. I control my computer. It's not
>> really that hard.
>
>But Steve Ballmer controls you.

Blah, blah, blah.

--
Joel Crump

Steve de Mena

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:16:11 PM11/21/09

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You keep referencing a single toolbar (the Google toolbar) in the
plural and repeatedly over and over again. By my count that is just
ONE toolbar, total.

Which doesn't install automatically. You are given the option not to
install it.

Steve

Mr. Bee

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:21:34 PM11/21/09

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It's a cock-a-doodle-doo from Chance Foghorn Leghorn in the chicken coup.

Mr. Bee

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:25:25 PM11/21/09

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I don't think you're going to get a leg hump out Petey Humping dog on
this. He won't *Chance* it. :-P

Mayor Of R'lyeh

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Nov 21, 2009, 10:14:33 PM11/21/09

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On Nov 21, 7:30 pm, Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
> I'm glad I only paid $30 for this copy of Windows 7 Professional.
> I would tell everyone to to do the same thing on eBay and search for
> Windows 7 Professional key but right now eBay's search function is not
> working.

Justin endorses theft. I wonder if he'd still endorse it if he came
home to find his house empty?

> Maybe they use Windows!
> Anyway I'm going over each toolbar opportunity I encountered.
> Let us begin.
>
> Adobe Flash! Yes, thanks Adobe.
> Because that extra 0.002% of revenue Google gave you probably paid for a

> corporate luau.http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7204/windows7adobeflashinsta.jpg

>
> But since Adobe is so awesome, they gave me a choice! How much did

> Mcafee give them? $100,000? $200,000?http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7204/windows7adobeflashinsta.jpg

>
> Thank you Adobe and Microsoft! Luckily my Mac has PDF read and write
> capability built in so I don't have to deal with this crap.

Unless you deal with PDF forms, which Preview won't touch.

> It on;y I could install a few TSR programs that do nothing.
> Maybe one
> that monitors constantly when there's a update - Oh wait! My dream came
> true. Adobe Online monitors when there's an update, and begins
> downloading automatically. Usually when you're trying to send a large
> file to a client. Then they bury the setting to disable it.

'Cause who would ever think to look in Preferences->Updater for that?

> Once again - need to worry about that on my Mac.

And yet you're running Win 7 as well. Why is that?

> How do you Dozers put up with this?

Unchecking a box isn't quite the hardship for us that it is for you,
apparently. We aren't as 'delicate' as you.

>Honest question. Are you "happy" you're using the same OS as everyone else?

Are you happy that you're obsessing over something this ridiculous?

> Conform! When you're done
> conforming, conform some more!

You remind me quite a bit of those teenagers who prove that they're
non-conformists by dressing and acting like everyone else in their
circle.

Steve Mackay

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Nov 22, 2009, 12:17:47 AM11/22/09

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Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:
> On Nov 21, 7:30 pm, Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
>> I'm glad I only paid $30 for this copy of Windows 7 Professional.
>> I would tell everyone to to do the same thing on eBay and search for
>> Windows 7 Professional key but right now eBay's search function is not
>> working.
>
> Justin endorses theft. I wonder if he'd still endorse it if he came
> home to find his house empty?
>
>> Maybe they use Windows!
>> Anyway I'm going over each toolbar opportunity I encountered.
>> Let us begin.
>>
>> Adobe Flash! Yes, thanks Adobe.
>> Because that extra 0.002% of revenue Google gave you probably paid for a
>> corporate luau.http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7204/windows7adobeflashinsta.jpg
>>
>> But since Adobe is so awesome, they gave me a choice! How much did
>> Mcafee give them? $100,000? $200,000?http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7204/windows7adobeflashinsta.jpg
>>
>> Thank you Adobe and Microsoft! Luckily my Mac has PDF read and write
>> capability built in so I don't have to deal with this crap.
>
> Unless you deal with PDF forms, which Preview won't touch.

Or 3D PDFs. Which OSX can't deal with without Adobe reader either.

>
>> It on;y I could install a few TSR programs that do nothing.
>> Maybe one
>> that monitors constantly when there's a update - Oh wait! My dream came
>> true. Adobe Online monitors when there's an update, and begins
>> downloading automatically. Usually when you're trying to send a large
>> file to a client. Then they bury the setting to disable it.
>
> 'Cause who would ever think to look in Preferences->Updater for that?

Shhh.... Don't bruise poor 'lil Justin's fragile ego.

Justin

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:05:28 AM11/22/09

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Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:

> On Nov 21, 7:30 pm, Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
>> I'm glad I only paid $30 for this copy of Windows 7 Professional.
>> I would tell everyone to to do the same thing on eBay and search for
>> Windows 7 Professional key but right now eBay's search function is not
>> working.
>
> Justin endorses theft. I wonder if he'd still endorse it if he came
> home to find his house empty?

I stopped reading here.
I have a valid retail copy of Windows 7. Period.
It connected to to the authentication server and all is legal. :)

Justin

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:07:48 AM11/22/09

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Oh, I see. Yes, because every user in the world just loves th screw
with the registry. Great solution there.
I suppose every driver in the world should know how to adjust their
engine timing too. Change a serpentine belt?
That is an improper solution and I deem it utterly useless and stupid.
So say we all and whatnot.

Joel

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:43:10 AM11/22/09

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Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

>> I just uncheck all those toolbar/etc. options when I install
>> something. If an installer sets something to run on boot-up, I go
>> into the registry or Start\Programs\Startup and delete it, and kill
>> the process if it's already running. I control my computer. It's not
>> really that hard.
>
>Oh, I see. Yes, because every user in the world just loves th screw
>with the registry. Great solution there.
>I suppose every driver in the world should know how to adjust their
>engine timing too. Change a serpentine belt?
>That is an improper solution and I deem it utterly useless and stupid.
>So say we all and whatnot.

You could also just go into msconfig a.k.a. System Configuration and
uncheck them in the Startup tab. But if you think Apple's solution is
better, I'm happy for you. I can't honestly blame people for being
annoyed with Windows' mass marketness. It's a fact of life for people
like me, who stubbornly stick with MS.

--
Joel Crump

Joel

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Nov 22, 2009, 1:49:52 AM11/22/09

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What happens if you need to reinstall, though?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/cc137104.aspx

Activating a Product

When a Microsoft product requires activation (such as Windows Vista),
the product keys provided with your subscription allow a limited
number of activations. The product keys available through your
subscription can have one or more activations per product key.

If you deplete activations for a key, you may be able to claim
additional keys for that product. Each key has its own set of
activations.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Thus, I hope you get your $30 worth out of that activation, 'cause
since you aren't the subscriber, you can't "claim additional keys".
By the time you try to use the key again, the others the seller, in
all likelihood, sold the key to will have used up the activations.
For that matter, MS could even blacklist the key while you're using
it. Not fun.

I'm happy for you if it continues to work (which it probably will, in
your case, since from your other posts about this, you doubtless chose
your seller wisely), but to claim that it's legal for an MSDN
subscriber to profiteer from their keys is absurd. It's not truly a
retail copy, anymore than my System Builder OEM copy is (I installed
from the MSDN retail ISO, too, and easily activated, and my Product ID
includes "OEM"). If it were, they wouldn't be selling so many of them
for $30. That math simply don't work.

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Steve de Mena

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:14:00 AM11/22/09

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MSDN / TechNet Plus product keys are for use in evaluation/testing
products, not for "real use" anyways.

Steve

Sandman

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:21:05 AM11/22/09

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In article
<98a00c2c-a9b1-41ff...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Thank you Adobe and Microsoft! �Luckily my Mac has PDF read and write
> > capability built in so I don't have to deal with this crap.
>
> Unless you deal with PDF forms, which Preview won't touch.

Huh? Preview supports PDF forms...

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Sandman[.net]

Justin

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:25:21 AM11/22/09

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It is a full retail key.
I checked. Even under XP, when I had to reformat twice in the same
month due to a hard drive failure I had to call MS and reactivate.
It was relatively painless.

Justin

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:28:29 AM11/22/09

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Wow! an even better solution! Because once again everyone knows about
msconfig. The knowledge is implanted in their minds at birth.
Apple's solution is not to have bullshit like that. Yes, I think that's
better.
How about is GM follows suit? Everytime I start up my Monte, an ad
appears on the steering wheel. I have to acknowledge it before I can
put it into great. That would be perfect! Maybe that's how GM can get
out of its bankruptcy. Google, Yahoo, Ask.com, Mcafee and Norton; can
pay GM to advertise!
Dude! You may have just saved GM.
I'm going to email Bob Lutz with my idea right now.

Joel

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:49:14 AM11/22/09

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Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:

>> It's not truly a
>> retail copy, anymore than my System Builder OEM copy is (I installed
>> from the MSDN retail ISO, too, and easily activated, and my Product ID
>> includes "OEM"). If it were, they wouldn't be selling so many of them
>> for $30. That math simply don't work.
>
>It is a full retail key.
>I checked. Even under XP, when I had to reformat twice in the same
>month due to a hard drive failure I had to call MS and reactivate.
>It was relatively painless.

I don't see where they'd be getting all these actual retail keys from.
I'm not against you using it, though. I don't even care if people
pirate it, really. I didn't mind paying $135 for 7 Pro, but if others
do mind, that's their thing. It ain't like I'm innocent of pirating
sound and video, despite not pirating software.

--
Joel Crump

Justin

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:10:50 AM11/22/09

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My problem is I was tricked into paying full price for Vista.
That's how I justify it.
Let's just not mention the Blue Edition of Office.

Mayor Of R'lyeh

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:18:48 AM11/22/09

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On Nov 22, 2:21 am, Sandman <m...@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article
> <98a00c2c-a9b1-41ff-887d-34218e35f...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,

> "Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.of.rl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Thank you Adobe and Microsoft! Luckily my Mac has PDF read and write
> > > capability built in so I don't have to deal with this crap.
>
> > Unless you deal with PDF forms, which Preview won't touch.
>
> Huh? Preview supports PDF forms...
>
> --
> Sandman[.net]

Not on my machine. Its got 10.6.2. If I try to open a PDF form with
Preview I either get a blank window or Preview shows up in the menu
bar and doesn't give a window at all.

Sandman

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:26:22 AM11/22/09

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In article
<69a132d8-2e7e-4e8b...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > Thank you Adobe and Microsoft! �Luckily my Mac has PDF read and write
> > > > capability built in so I don't have to deal with this crap.
> >
> > > Unless you deal with PDF forms, which Preview won't touch.
> >
> > Huh? Preview supports PDF forms...
>

> Not on my machine. Its got 10.6.2. If I try to open a PDF form with
> Preview I either get a blank window or Preview shows up in the menu
> bar and doesn't give a window at all.

Well, as I said; Preview supports PDF forms. I can't take
responsibility for your made up problems.

--
Sandman[.net]

Justin

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:36:13 AM11/22/09

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Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:

Sounds like a corrupted PDF.
Here is Preview viewing a PDF.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7565/picture1dr.png

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:02:39 AM11/22/09

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Justin wrote:

> I'm glad I only paid $30 for this copy of Windows 7 Professional.

For a product that now sells with zero day exploits
and with micoshaft marketing department assisting the spread
of viruses and who is refusing to withdraw the defective product
from the shelves?

You are some retard!

Install Linux.

Its a lot quicker for the netbooks.
And you can virtualise it to run other Linux operating systems and
windum OS boxed in a window so that it doesn't clap out on
you completely. And do this with a 3D translucent desktop.
And run 20+ applications simultaneously without slowing down
your netbook / PC.

How to for 3D Translucent Desktoping with common Linux distros:

http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com

Using extlinux to convert a liveCD iso to bootable SD card
-------------------------------------------------------------

Converting an ISO file to a bootable USB stick or a bootable
SD Card for EEE is easy.

Without being able to convert a distro into a bootable USB flash /SD Card,
that distro can't be easily loaded into netbook like EEE
and stand to miss out on users installing it into netbooks.

So I would recommend all distro mainters look at their netbook
boot strategy and offer something to boot their distros
from USB flash and SD cards or miss out on users installing it into
netbooks.

Having done a few conversions, a pattern emerges that works well for
most syslinux / isolinux / extlinux based distros.

1. Put your SD card or USB flash drive into your desktop Linux PC and
then open a console and type dmesg
You should see some line indicating your flash drive as
being picked up and allocated with a comment like sdc / sdc1 etc..
Remember both names - the first is /dev/sdc which is your
device name, and the second is /dev/sdc1 which is your partition name.
(Don't get confused between drive /dev/sdc and partition /dev/sdc1
or your drive could become scrambled eggs later on. Also remember
it may be called sdg or sdh etc depending what you see when you
plug in device and type dmesg)

2. Install gparted on your machine using synaptic.
To run it you can type
sudo gparted
in a console window and select on the right side the drive name allocated
in step 1. Right click on the bar that represents the partition
and click on manage flags.
Enable the boot flag and click OK. This makes the SD Card / USB
stick bootable.

3. Format the partition /dev/sdc1 to ext2 linux format.
This format is not directly readable under WINDUMMY Osen, but there
are free drivers for it - try for example www.fs-driver.org
The ext2 format is many times faster than windummy FAT so
ditching WINDUMMY file formats is advised.

4. Identify that you have syslinux or isolinux in your liveCD by
opening the .ISO file in archive manager and checking that it has
isolinux or syslinux directory somewhere in the liveCD.
In ubuntu, the root directory of /dev/sdc1 will not be writeable
unless you are in super user mode.
You can run
sudo file-roller
to open iso files like xubuntu-9.04-desktop-i386.iso in super user
mode and extract all the files in the iso file
to the /dev/sdc1 partition.

5. Go to the flash drive and locate the syslinux (or isolinux) directory.
rename it to extlinux. Inside the now renamed extlinux directory will
a file such as syslinux.cfg or isolinux.cfg. Rename that to
extlinux.conf

6. Get syslinux - this is a boot loader and menu system for FAT based
file systems. Download the latest version from here...
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/
Unzip it and go to the extlinux directory.
On my machine path is something like this....../syslinux/extlinux
Run the program there by typing this - (note this command is updating
the partition /dev/sdc1)

./extlinux --install /dev/sdc1/extlinux

This puts a new file into your SD card / USB flash disk

7. from the extlinux directory change to the mbr directory
cd ../mbr
and then run this - again note this time its updating the device by
writing data to the first sector as opposed to the first partition.

sudo cat mbr.bin > /dev/sdc

(Note at this stage you may need to do some of the sudo commands after
entering super user mode to make it work properly.
So the above command would have been done as follows in Ubuntu.

sudo -s
cat mbr.bin > /dev/sdc
)

This makes the card bootable and useable in an Asus EEE and many other
PCs with SD card or USB flash disk boot facility.

After booting, you can install Linux on to local disk or an external
pocket drive. The pocket drive can be 7200 RPM giving you near desktop
speed.

This method tested and works for

1. Ubuntu
2. Slax
3. Knoppix
4. Puppy
5. DSL
6. GParted
7. gOS
8. Dynabolic
9. MoonOS Kachana
10. Xubuntu
11. TinyOS (incredible distro!)

(Note the method does not work for .ISO files built with grub bootloader -
need a different install method with grub boot loader instead of syslinux.)

Try installing something powerful like Ubuntu on to a netbook
and see it take netbooks to new heights.

3D Translucent Cube Desktop
---------------------------

The latest EEE1000 has fast enough graphics for translucent
3D desktops. An easy way to do all this with Ubuntu is:

Install Ubuntu on EEE (compiz itself
appears to be installed by default in the default install),
then install compiz settings manager using Synaptic
which allows compiz to be fully 'exercised'.
And then do the following to get the 3D cube desktop
working...

Go to General > Display Settings > Lighting and turned it off
Enable Desktop Cube and then Desktop Cube > Transparent Cube and set the
two opacity settings to 30%
then Desktop Cube > Skydome and check the skydome check mark
Enable Rotate Cube
Enable Enhanced Zoom Desktop
Right click the virtual workspaces panel and increase the number
of colums to 16.

And hey presto - 100% 3D translucent desktop with 16 screens!!!!!!!!!!

[Some shortcuts for the 3D screen
ctrl + alt + left or right arrow to spin cube
ctrl + alt + down arrow and then left or right arrow for a ring switcher
super + E for yet another switcher
super + mouse wheel scroll to zoom in and out of the 3D desktop.
]

You can run many applications simultaneously on netbook like a
real Linux desktop. You can open many browser tabs, run Open Office, video,
and developer stuff like MySQL server, Apache, PHP, Gambas, sqlite3
ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY while on a train for example, and rotate the
cube to switch between tasks instantly. Gone are the days when netbooks
were mis-represented as toys. They are fully functional Linux
Desktops on the move. Try it! It works!

Reducing Font Sizes And Turning ON Sub Pixel Rendering
------------------------------------------------------

The EEE can be astonishingly good to look at once the
font size is reduced to about 8 and sub pixel rendering
is turned ON. It is still absolutely
readable and everything appeared like a 'full screen' miniature
desktop equivalent of a big desktop PC.
System > Appearance > Fonts get to the font settings
in Ubuntu. On software like firefox and some other applications,
need to also to set local use of fonts ( Edit > Preferences > Content
will have font settings for firefox that also need to be changed).

VirtualBox
----------
Yes! VirtualBox can run on Ubutu set up with 3D translucent desktop.
http://www.virtualbox.org

Install virtual box and then install programs like windopws XP and run
it pretty much at it would run on a normal netbook. Its hard to tell
if the netbook is running Linux or the WINDUMMY OSen when the software
is run full screen becaue the speed and responsiveness is about
the same between a real windummy OSen install and a virtual box
virtual machine running it all in Linux.

Speeding up netbook to near Desktop speed
-----------------------------------------
With the EEE, you can speed up the netbook into a desktop PC able to handle
giant applications. Just fit USB 7200 RPM external pocket drive. Install
and boot Linux from the external drive. Data transfer rate is about 28
Megabytes per second so video and other stuff work at near desktop speeds.
Obviously it uses up a lot more energy and 2 USB sockets and so
drains battery very fast. Need to be plugged into a charger to
get best performance. You don't want to fit the 7200RPM drive
inside the netbook - it will heat up a lot. If you want 7 to 8 hours of
battery life from your netbooks you need to limit yourself to slowish SSDs
for now. As the pocket drives cost only 40 pounds, another advantage
is that you can have several to switch between tasks.

If netbooks start shipping with e-Sata, then that would be even better
option to get as the e-Sata and 7200 RPM pocket drives
desktop drive are common and cheap.

http://www.livecdlist.com
http://www.distrowatch.com

Kadaitcha Man

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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:02:39 +0000, Windows 7 wrote:

> homosexuals assisting the spread of viruses
>
> --
> common and cheap.

Nice .sig, Windows 7.

Steve de Mena

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:42:08 AM11/22/09

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Justin wrote:

> Wow! an even better solution! Because once again everyone knows about
> msconfig. The knowledge is implanted in their minds at birth.
> Apple's solution is not to have bullshit like that.

Oh really?

What is this:

/System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/LaunchServices.framework/Versions/A/Support/lsregister
-kill -r -domain local -domain system -domain user

I wish I had $5 for every time I have had to run this Terminal command.

Steve

Steve de Mena

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:43:48 AM11/22/09

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Joel wrote:
> Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
>
>>> It's not truly a
>>> retail copy, anymore than my System Builder OEM copy is (I installed
>>> from the MSDN retail ISO, too, and easily activated, and my Product ID
>>> includes "OEM"). If it were, they wouldn't be selling so many of them
>>> for $30. That math simply don't work.
>> It is a full retail key.
>> I checked. Even under XP, when I had to reformat twice in the same
>> month due to a hard drive failure I had to call MS and reactivate.
>> It was relatively painless.
>
>
> I don't see where they'd be getting all these actual retail keys from.

I don't know how one would "check" that a key they got off of eBay was
a true retail key.

Steve

Steve de Mena

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:46:20 AM11/22/09

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Mayor Of R'lyeh wrote:

I just opened a form with Preview and I am even able to fill in the
form fields.

I created this form with Acrobat Writer on my Mac about 2 years ago.

Steve

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Nov 22, 2009, 11:26:43 AM11/22/09

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Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>I find it annoying that so many programs on Windows add stuff to the start
>up programs - including Apple's programs.

Good point. Before Amazon started selling MP3s, I used to use iTunes
solely for that purpose, and every time I'd install an upgrade it'd do
a lot of really annoying crap, and even simply running it would set
the iPod service to automatically run when Windows started up, and I'd
have to go back into Services and disable it. Never mind that I never
had an iPod, and simply wanted to spend my money on their overpriced
DRM music. Since installing Win7, I haven't even installed iTunes,
and probably won't, since I converted all the music I bought from it
long ago.

> I generally use Glary Utilities
>to remove these, but, sure, msconfig can be used, too. Glary is a great
>program, though it installs the Ask Toolbar as you install it... beyond
>annoying.

Lol, go figure. I guess as long as you don't have to install upgrades
frequently, it wouldn't be too bad.

>For you and I, though, it is not a big deal to clean these things out. For
>many users it is arcane knowledge - they have no idea what to keep and what
>to toss. This is a problem for many Windows users.

That is true. MS should probably work on a solution, for the next
Windows version.

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Snit

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Nov 22, 2009, 11:45:58 AM11/22/09

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Joel stated in post 9gpig5psoia6996o4...@4ax.com on 11/22/09
9:26 AM:

> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>> I find it annoying that so many programs on Windows add stuff to the start
>> up programs - including Apple's programs.
>
>
> Good point. Before Amazon started selling MP3s, I used to use iTunes
> solely for that purpose, and every time I'd install an upgrade it'd do
> a lot of really annoying crap, and even simply running it would set
> the iPod service to automatically run when Windows started up, and I'd
> have to go back into Services and disable it. Never mind that I never
> had an iPod, and simply wanted to spend my money on their overpriced
> DRM music. Since installing Win7, I haven't even installed iTunes,
> and probably won't, since I converted all the music I bought from it
> long ago.

Apple's music is now mostly (fully?) DRM free... but, yes, Apple is as bad
as anyone else on Windows. Looking at my pretty "clean" Win 7 system, I see
all sorts of start up items:

Acrobat Assistant 8.0
AdobeCS4ServiceManager
AVG9_TRAY
Google Update
GrooveMonitor
iTunesHelper
OneNote 2007 Screen Clipper and Launcher
Parallels Shared Internet Applications
Parallels Tools Center
QuickTime Task
Sidebar
SunJavaUpdateSched
TkBellExe

And on XP, which I have used a lot longer but still use it as a secondary OS
in a VM:

Ad-Watch
Adobe ARM
Adobe Reader Speed Launcher
AppleSyncNotifier
AVG9_TRAY
ctfmon.exe
Google Update
iTunesHelper
Parallels Shared Internet Applications
Parallels Tools Center
QuickTime Task
SunJavaUpdateSched
Taskbar Shuffle

Now some of those I want... but many I do not. I know enough to turn them
off... and if I goof up, to turn them back on.

>> I generally use Glary Utilities to remove these, but, sure, msconfig can be
>> used, too. Glary is a great program, though it installs the Ask Toolbar as
>> you install it... beyond annoying.
>
> Lol, go figure. I guess as long as you don't have to install upgrades
> frequently, it wouldn't be too bad.

Only time it installs the toolbar is on first install, not updates. Still,
what the... it is a tool to help remove such junk! It does have a good
batch un-installer and some other tools.

>> For you and I, though, it is not a big deal to clean these things out. For
>> many users it is arcane knowledge - they have no idea what to keep and what
>> to toss. This is a problem for many Windows users.
>
> That is true. MS should probably work on a solution, for the next
> Windows version.

Maybe just have it so Windows pops up a dialog and gives the user the choice
to OK any additions. That would make things much better. Companies would
have to explain to users what they are doing.

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Justin

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:14:51 PM11/22/09

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I never had to run it.

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:51:25 PM11/22/09

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Maybe it needs the Yahoo toolbar to be installed.
Along with the Ask.com toolbar. Then there;s the Dealio toolbar that
tells you when interest rates go down! W00t!

Snit

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Nov 22, 2009, 4:36:23 PM11/22/09

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Justin stated in post hec88d$1le$1...@news.eternal-september.org on 11/22/09
1:51 PM:

>>>> Just checked again... the problem is if check boxes are filled in with
>>>> Acrobat Reader, Preview does not show them. It does show them if they are
>>>> saved with Preview.
>>>>
>>>> I hope that quirk is fixed... it is annoying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> In installed Adobe Reader and it works fine when I open it with Preview.
>>> Where do you people come up with this stuff?
>>
>> I "come up with it" via testing and checking... and being able to see
>> patterns. Please note I list the steps, above. I might post a video later
>> so HPT can lie and claim it is forged when he fails to reproduce the steps.
>> :)
>>
>>
>
> Maybe it needs the Yahoo toolbar to be installed.
> Along with the Ask.com toolbar. Then there;s the Dealio toolbar that
> tells you when interest rates go down! W00t!

What do the toolbars have to do with *anything*? Anyway, to show you the
problem:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/form.mov>

And the form I used:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/form.pdf>

Now you know where "us people" come up with this "stuff" - it is called
reality. :)

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Tommy Troll

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Nov 22, 2009, 5:19:23 PM11/22/09

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On Nov 21, 7:30 pm, Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
> I'm glad I only paid $30 for this copy of Windows 7 Professional.

> I would tell everyone to to do the same thing on eBay and search for
> Windows 7 Professional key but right now eBay's search function is not
> working.

> Maybe they use Windows!
> Anyway I'm going over each toolbar opportunity I encountered.
> Let us begin.
>
> Adobe Flash! Yes, thanks Adobe.
> Because that extra 0.002% of revenue Google gave you probably paid for a
> corporate luau.http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7204/windows7adobeflashinsta.jpg
>
> But since Adobe is so awesome, they gave me a choice! How much did
> Mcafee give them? $100,000? $200,000?http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7204/windows7adobeflashinsta.jpg

>
> Thank you Adobe and Microsoft! Luckily my Mac has PDF read and write
> capability built in so I don't have to deal with this crap.

> It on;y I could install a few TSR programs that do nothing. Maybe one
> that monitors constantly when there's a update - Oh wait! My dream came
> true. Adobe Online monitors when there's an update, and begins
> downloading automatically. Usually when you're trying to send a large
> file to a client. Then they bury the setting to disable it.
> Once again - need to worry about that on my Mac.
> How do you Dozers put up with this? Honest question. Are you "happy"
> you're using the same OS as everyone else? Conform! When you're done
> conforming, conform some more!

Uh, last time I checked

A. Windows 7 Explorer lets you read any pdf file
B. Adobe Reader is free
C. There is Windows freeware that will write pdf files from any app
that can print, see http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp

No need to worry about pdf files on my W7 machine. You should really
do a little research before you post such dumb crap.

Homey

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Nov 22, 2009, 5:47:32 PM11/22/09

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"Mr. Bee" <MrB...@Bee1.hive> wrote in message
news:qbednexBxdDJBpXW...@earthlink.com...
> Chance Furlong wrote:
>> In article <DbOdnV6fhObeDJXW...@earthlink.com>,
>> "Mr. Bee" <MrB...@Bee1.hive> wrote:
>>
>>> Justin wrote:
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>> <yawn>
>>> <pfft>
>>>
>>> Little boy, go lay down in your crib. Your mama will be there soon to
>>> change you and give you your bottle, you cross posting little fool.
>>
>> How are things in the hive, Little Queenie?
>
> How are things going in the chicken coup Chance Foghorn Leghorn?
>
Things must be really bad if your arguing with a dunce like jimmy lee douch
bag?

Snit

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:13:10 PM11/22/09

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Tommy Troll stated in post
c20caafe-8453-43ed...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com on
11/22/09 3:19 PM:

...

> Uh, last time I checked
>
> A. Windows 7 Explorer lets you read any pdf file

Nope.

> B. Adobe Reader is free

Yup.

> C. There is Windows freeware that will write pdf files from any app
> that can print, see http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp

Yup. Many options, but that is the one I use, too.

> No need to worry about pdf files on my W7 machine. You should really
> do a little research before you post such dumb crap.

Would be nice if Win 7 had something like PDF Services...

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Justin

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Nov 22, 2009, 6:48:42 PM11/22/09

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Works fine for me.
Used the exact same form as you.
It looks like you're making an ID10t error.
Here's a real video of "reality"
http://tinypic.com/r/2555ov6/6

Snit

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:07:23 PM11/22/09

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Justin stated in post hecil0$po6$1...@news.eternal-september.org on 11/22/09
4:48 PM:

Has anyone suggested, hinted, claimed or insinuated that what *you* did
would not work? Hint: if so, the person was not me.

You have a *video* of the steps I took. You also quoted my saying:

the problem is if check boxes are filled in with Acrobat Reader,
Preview does not show them.

To "disprove" me, you did not even show the file getting opened with Acrobat
Reader, no less checking boxes and saving it with Acrobat Reader. Do not
worry, though, HPT will soon jump in to say he could not replicate it either
and thus lie about me forging the video.

Why not just admit it does not work?

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Fa-groon

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:29:28 PM11/22/09

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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:19:23 -0800, Tommy Troll wrote
(in article
<c20caafe-8453-43ed...@v37g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>):

> On Nov 21, 7:30ï¿œpm, Justin <jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
>> I'm glad I only paid $30 for this copy of Windows 7 Professional.
>> I would tell everyone to to do the same thing on eBay and search for
>> Windows 7 Professional key but right now eBay's search function is not
>> working.
>> Maybe they use Windows!
>> Anyway I'm going over each toolbar opportunity I encountered.
>> Let us begin.
>>

>> Adobe Flash! ï¿œYes, thanks Adobe.

>> Because that extra 0.002% of revenue Google gave you probably paid for a
>> corporate
>> luau.http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7204/windows7adobeflashinsta.jpg
>>

>> But since Adobe is so awesome, they gave me a choice! ï¿œHow much did
>> Mcafee give them? ï¿œ$100,000?
>> ï¿œ$200,000?http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7204/windows7adobeflashinsta.jp
>> g
>>
>> Thank you Adobe and Microsoft! ï¿œLuckily my Mac has PDF read and write

>> capability built in so I don't have to deal with this crap.

>> It on;y I could install a few TSR programs that do nothing. ï¿œMaybe one
>> that monitors constantly when there's a update - Oh wait! ï¿œMy dream came
>> true. ï¿œAdobe Online monitors when there's an update, and begins
>> downloading automatically. ï¿œUsually when you're trying to send a large
>> file to a client. ï¿œThen they bury the setting to disable it.

>> Once again - need to worry about that on my Mac.

>> How do you Dozers put up with this? ï¿œHonest question. ï¿œAre you "happy"
>> you're using the same OS as everyone else? ï¿œConform! ï¿œWhen you're done

>> conforming, conform some more!
>
> Uh, last time I checked
>
> A. Windows 7 Explorer lets you read any pdf file
> B. Adobe Reader is free
> C. There is Windows freeware that will write pdf files from any app
> that can print, see http://www.cutepdf.com/products/cutepdf/Writer.asp
>
> No need to worry about pdf files on my W7 machine. You should really
> do a little research before you post such dumb crap.

Actually, you should take your own advice here. OSX reads and WRITES PDFs
with no external software, even those that contain (or are) PostScript files.
CutePDF will not parse PostScript code without the user also installing
GhostScript which, at best, is iffy. The OSX way allows programs such as
Adobe Indesign for Mac to screen parse/rasterize placed PostScript images on
the fly and to create PDFs as an exports option. No other software necessary.
No version of Windows can do this because Windows doesn't use display PDF as
its native graphics format.

Justin

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:32:03 PM11/22/09

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I did indeed show the boxes being checked and saving them using Preview.
I opened it again after saving to show you they did save.

I'm confused.
You want me to open the file i Adobe Reader, save it, and then open it
in Preview?
Tell me the steps one by one and I will try them.

Snit

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Nov 22, 2009, 7:52:40 PM11/22/09

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Justin stated in post hecl63$f56$1...@news.eternal-september.org on 11/22/09
5:32 PM:

...

>>>> What do the toolbars have to do with *anything*? Anyway, to show you the
>>>> problem:
>>>>
>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/form.mov>
>>>>
>>>> And the form I used:
>>>>
>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/form.pdf>
>>>>
>>>> Now you know where "us people" come up with this "stuff" - it is called
>>>> reality. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Works fine for me.
>>> Used the exact same form as you.
>>> It looks like you're making an ID10t error.
>>> Here's a real video of "reality"
>>> http://tinypic.com/r/2555ov6/6
>>
>> Has anyone suggested, hinted, claimed or insinuated that what *you* did
>> would not work? Hint: if so, the person was not me.
>>
>> You have a *video* of the steps I took. You also quoted my saying:
>>
>> the problem is if check boxes are filled in with Acrobat Reader,
>> Preview does not show them.
>>
>> To "disprove" me, you did not even show the file getting opened with Acrobat
>> Reader, no less checking boxes and saving it with Acrobat Reader. Do not
>> worry, though, HPT will soon jump in to say he could not replicate it either
>> and thus lie about me forging the video.
>>
>> Why not just admit it does not work?
>>
>
> I did indeed show the boxes being checked and saving them using Preview.

Right. And nobody said that was a problem.

> I opened it again after saving to show you they did save.
> I'm confused.

Clearly. :)

> You want me to open the file i Adobe Reader, save it, and then open it
> in Preview?
> Tell me the steps one by one and I will try them.

1) Open the file with Acrobat Reader
2) Check some boxes
3) Save the file
4) Open the file with Preview

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Steve de Mena

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:27:51 PM11/22/09

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Joel wrote:

>> to remove these, but, sure, msconfig can be used, too. Glary is a great
>> program, though it installs the Ask Toolbar as you install it... beyond
>> annoying.
>
>
> Lol, go figure. I guess as long as you don't have to install upgrades
> frequently, it wouldn't be too bad.
>
>
>> For you and I, though, it is not a big deal to clean these things out. For
>> many users it is arcane knowledge - they have no idea what to keep and what
>> to toss. This is a problem for many Windows users.
>
>
> That is true. MS should probably work on a solution, for the next
> Windows version.

Why? They have msconfig. What is the Apple equivalent of that app?

Steve

Steve de Mena

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Nov 22, 2009, 8:29:12 PM11/22/09

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You have never right-clicked a file and had duplicates on the "Open
With..." list of programs? (Typically multiple minor updates of the
same app)

Steve

Justin

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Not as yet.

Snit

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:05:35 PM11/22/09

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Steve de Mena stated in post BcOdnXdzoLCFeJTW...@giganews.com
on 11/22/09 6:27 PM:

For the part that is being talked about, the start-up section of the user
preference panel.

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Mayor Of R'lyeh

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Nov 22, 2009, 9:12:54 PM11/22/09

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> Looking at my pretty "clean" Win 7 system, I see
>all sorts of start up items:
>

>And on XP, which I have used a lot longer but still use it as a secondary OS
>in a VM:
>

>Now some of those I want... but many I do not. I know enough to turn them
>off... and if I goof up, to turn them back on.

I think I had a UPS monitor in Startup under XP, but Win7 has it
natively. Under both, all I had/have in Services (that automatically
run on boot-up, that is), when you hide all MS ones, is the ATI
service for my video card. Then again, I am pretty anal about stuff
like that. I also disable unnecessary built-in Windows services and
Task Scheduler events, that are enabled in the default installation.

>>> For you and I, though, it is not a big deal to clean these things out. For
>>> many users it is arcane knowledge - they have no idea what to keep and what
>>> to toss. This is a problem for many Windows users.
>>
>> That is true. MS should probably work on a solution, for the next
>> Windows version.
>
>Maybe just have it so Windows pops up a dialog and gives the user the choice
>to OK any additions. That would make things much better. Companies would
>have to explain to users what they are doing.

Yup, that sounds like something they could pretty easily do.

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Joel

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:19:46 PM11/22/09

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Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:

>>> For you and I, though, it is not a big deal to clean these things out. For
>>> many users it is arcane knowledge - they have no idea what to keep and what
>>> to toss. This is a problem for many Windows users.
>>
>> That is true. MS should probably work on a solution, for the next
>> Windows version.
>
>Why? They have msconfig. What is the Apple equivalent of that app?

Is it needed in OS X? I don't know much about it, generally speaking.

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Snit

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Nov 22, 2009, 10:38:39 PM11/22/09

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Joel stated in post 5cvjg5lrgv3hrljgs...@4ax.com on 11/22/09
8:19 PM:

> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>> Good point. Before Amazon started selling MP3s, I used to use iTunes
>>> solely for that purpose, and every time I'd install an upgrade it'd do
>>> a lot of really annoying crap, and even simply running it would set
>>> the iPod service to automatically run when Windows started up, and I'd
>>> have to go back into Services and disable it. Never mind that I never
>>> had an iPod, and simply wanted to spend my money on their overpriced
>>> DRM music. Since installing Win7, I haven't even installed iTunes,
>>> and probably won't, since I converted all the music I bought from it
>>> long ago.
>>
>> Apple's music is now mostly (fully?) DRM free... but, yes, Apple is as bad
>> as anyone else on Windows.
>
>
> I just installed iTunes, to see how it's changed (I also needed to
> install QuickTime, anyway, I guess, although WMP12 played one of the
> videos you posted). It set two services to run on boot-up, and left
> another running which was set to manually start (I then set all three
> to disabled). It also put two things in Startup, which I deleted from
> the registry, and killed the process of one of.
>
> So much for Apple saving me from Windows. iTunes is the most
> egregious one I've used in years.

Well, to be fair - some of those are from iTunes itself and some from
QuickTime (which is required for iTunes). However you slice it, though,
Apple is pretty bad at tossing all sorts of junk into the startup routine of
Windows.

>> Looking at my pretty "clean" Win 7 system, I see all sorts of start up items:
>>
>> And on XP, which I have used a lot longer but still use it as a secondary OS
>> in a VM:
>>
>> Now some of those I want... but many I do not. I know enough to turn them
>> off... and if I goof up, to turn them back on.
>
> I think I had a UPS monitor in Startup under XP, but Win7 has it
> natively. Under both, all I had/have in Services (that automatically
> run on boot-up, that is), when you hide all MS ones, is the ATI
> service for my video card. Then again, I am pretty anal about stuff
> like that. I also disable unnecessary built-in Windows services and
> Task Scheduler events, that are enabled in the default installation.

I have the stuff from Parallels which allow me to move the mouse back and
forth and drag files between the two OSs, AVG and Sidebar. I also had Adobe
stuff - I just install Acrobat Reader and forgot to remove the two items it
adds. On OS X it does not add anything (though it does offer to add an
add-on for web browsers, but you can select to do so or not at install
time).

Why is this so much more common on Windows?

>>>> For you and I, though, it is not a big deal to clean these things out. For
>>>> many users it is arcane knowledge - they have no idea what to keep and what
>>>> to toss. This is a problem for many Windows users.
>>>
>>> That is true. MS should probably work on a solution, for the next
>>> Windows version.
>>
>> Maybe just have it so Windows pops up a dialog and gives the user the choice
>> to OK any additions. That would make things much better. Companies would
>> have to explain to users what they are doing.
>
> Yup, that sounds like something they could pretty easily do.

OS X does not have that either, but you just do not see programs taking
advantage of it as often.

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Joel

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Nov 22, 2009, 11:13:52 PM11/22/09

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Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

>> So much for Apple saving me from Windows. iTunes is the most
>> egregious one I've used in years.
>
>Well, to be fair - some of those are from iTunes itself and some from
>QuickTime (which is required for iTunes). However you slice it, though,
>Apple is pretty bad at tossing all sorts of junk into the startup routine of
>Windows.

True, some was QuickTime-specific stuff. Still, *none* of it is
needed, for either program.

>I have the stuff from Parallels which allow me to move the mouse back and
>forth and drag files between the two OSs, AVG and Sidebar. I also had Adobe
>stuff - I just install Acrobat Reader and forgot to remove the two items it
>adds. On OS X it does not add anything (though it does offer to add an
>add-on for web browsers, but you can select to do so or not at install
>time).
>
>Why is this so much more common on Windows?

Good question. In Adobe Reader for Windows, I have to go into
Preferences and uncheck displaying the PDF in the browser. I've
always found reading them inside the browser to suck ass in terms of
performance, compared to opening them in Adobe itself. As for the
general phenomenon, it does annoy me a lot, but since I'm adept at
managing Windows, I guess it just doesn't bother me enough to worry
about it.

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Sandman

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In article
<80800531-1a39-4045...@o31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,

"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Not on my machine. Its got 10.6.2. If I try to open a PDF form with
> > > Preview I either get a blank window or Preview shows up in the menu
> > > bar and doesn't give a window at all.
> >
> > Sounds like a corrupted PDF.
> > Here is Preview viewing a
> > PDF.http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7565/picture1dr.png
>
> The so called corrupted PDF opened just fine in Acrobat Reader.

Probably in Preview as well.

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Sandman

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Nov 23, 2009, 1:52:47 AM11/23/09

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In article
<cd5fbf3b-3668-4197...@j35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
"Mayor Of R'lyeh" <mayor.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > Justin:

> > > > > > Thank you Adobe and Microsoft! Luckily my Mac has PDF read
> > > > > > and write capability built in so I don't have to deal with
> > > > > > this crap.

> > > > > Mayor Of R'lyeh:

> > > > > Unless you deal with PDF forms, which Preview won't touch.

> > > > Sandman:

> > > > Huh? Preview supports PDF forms...

> > > Mayor Of R'lyeh:

> > > Not on my machine. Its got 10.6.2. If I try to open a PDF form
> > > with Preview I either get a blank window or Preview shows up in
> > > the menu bar and doesn't give a window at all.

> > Steve de Mena:

> > I just opened a form with Preview and I am even able to fill in
> > the form fields.
> >
> > I created this form with Acrobat Writer on my Mac about 2 years
> > ago.

> Mayor Of R'lyeh:

> I'll pull Preview's plist when I go back to work. Its starting to
> sound like world's only perfect OS that never has any problems needs
> to be fixed on my machine.

Probably not...

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Sandman

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Nov 23, 2009, 2:23:14 AM11/23/09

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In article <0001HW.C72F1768...@news.giganews.com>,
Fa-groon <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote:

> Actually, you should take your own advice here. OSX reads and WRITES PDFs
> with no external software, even those that contain (or are) PostScript files.
> CutePDF will not parse PostScript code without the user also installing
> GhostScript which, at best, is iffy.

No argument so far.

> The OSX way allows programs such as Adobe Indesign for Mac to
> screen parse/rasterize placed PostScript images on the fly and to
> create PDFs as an exports option. No other software necessary.

Uhm, no other software to allow *ADOBE* Indesign to export in to the
*ADOBE* PDF format... Surely you're not suggesting that Adobe Indesign
uses OSX Print-To-PDF for their PDF export? Because they're not.

Any other non-Adobe piece of software would have been good to
illustrate your point :)

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Nov 23, 2009, 3:49:18 AM11/23/09

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On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:23:14 -0800, Sandman wrote
(in article <mr-A381A5.08...@News.Individual.NET>):

> In article <0001HW.C72F1768...@news.giganews.com>,
> Fa-groon <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, you should take your own advice here. OSX reads and WRITES PDFs
>> with no external software, even those that contain (or are) PostScript
>> files.
>> CutePDF will not parse PostScript code without the user also installing
>> GhostScript which, at best, is iffy.
>
> No argument so far.
>
>> The OSX way allows programs such as Adobe Indesign for Mac to
>> screen parse/rasterize placed PostScript images on the fly and to
>> create PDFs as an exports option. No other software necessary.
>
> Uhm, no other software to allow *ADOBE* Indesign to export in to the
> *ADOBE* PDF format... Surely you're not suggesting that Adobe Indesign
> uses OSX Print-To-PDF for their PDF export? Because they're not.

They have to be using Apple's Display PDF engine to do the work (That's
licensed from Adobe anyway). If the code was wholly Indesign, then Windows
version would be able to rasterize PostScript on the fly and output PDF
directly as well, and AFAICS, it doesn't.

Sandman

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Nov 23, 2009, 3:51:40 AM11/23/09

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In article <0001HW.C72F8C8E...@news.giganews.com>,
Fa-groon <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote:

> >> The OSX way allows programs such as Adobe Indesign for Mac to
> >> screen parse/rasterize placed PostScript images on the fly and to
> >> create PDFs as an exports option. No other software necessary.
> >
> > Uhm, no other software to allow *ADOBE* Indesign to export in to the
> > *ADOBE* PDF format... Surely you're not suggesting that Adobe Indesign
> > uses OSX Print-To-PDF for their PDF export? Because they're not.
>
> They have to be using Apple's Display PDF engine to do the work (That's
> licensed from Adobe anyway). If the code was wholly Indesign, then Windows
> version would be able to rasterize PostScript on the fly and output PDF
> directly as well, and AFAICS, it doesn't.

The Windows version of Indesign has the export to PDF option as well,
obviously.

Furthemore, Indesign had this option in Mac OS 9 as well :)

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Nov 23, 2009, 8:32:37 AM11/23/09

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That is just the tip of the iceberg. msconfig encompasses much more
than that.

Steve

Fa-groon

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Nov 23, 2009, 11:38:00 AM11/23/09

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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:51:40 -0800, Sandman wrote
(in article <mr-E3D40B.09...@News.Individual.NET>):

I believe that you're missing my point. It's not just the ability to export
PDF, it's the ability to rasterize PostScript on the fly and make PDF files
with fully parsed, placed PostScript images. Windows requires some type of
rasterizer to do this, Indesign uses the Mac's Display PDF graphics engine,
AIUI. In Windows, if one has placed PostScript images in one's InDesign file,
one has to save the entire file as a PostScript file, and use Acrobat (or
something like CutePDF + Ghostscript) to parse the PostScript code into a
PDF. Without any placed PostScript, lots of applications (including
InDesign), many of them free, will output a PDF in Windows. I'm not a desktop
publisher, and don't even have a copy of Indesign, but an article I read
recently certainly explained it that way.

> Furthemore, Indesign had this option in Mac OS 9 as well :)

Yes. But, again, like the Windows version, it had no direct PostScript
support. I remember a friend of mine did DTP with the old Mac OS and used a
fairly expensive PostScript rasterizer engine (with a security dongle, no
less!) to handle his PostScript code and output fully rasterized pages from
PageMaker to his wide-carriage Inkjet color printer. If you remember, Macs
required ATM (Adobe Type Manager) pre-OSX, which was a limited PostScript
Font rasterizer in order to give smooth Type-One fonts both on-screen and to
print to non-PostScript printers such as inkjets. Of course, both Windows and
Macs have contained system-level True-Type rasterizers for years. When OSX
came along, he no longer needed either ATM or that expensive rasterizer,
because OSX supported PostScript directly (as I understand it, Display PDF
contains Display PostScript as a subset. If you recall, NexT used Display
PostScript as it's screen language and therefore did not need a PostScript
printer to print fully rasterized PostScript.).

Direct PostScript support is the key and the thing that would make the Mac
version of InDesign superior to the Windows version (if what I've read is
correct). If I'm not correct, here (and I could be wrong. Like I said, this
is what I have read, I really don't have any experience with it) then I
apologize for the misinformation.

Snit

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Nov 23, 2009, 11:55:59 AM11/23/09

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Joel stated in post fu2kg51326ct4t701...@4ax.com on 11/22/09
9:13 PM:

> Snit <use...@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
>
>>> So much for Apple saving me from Windows. iTunes is the most
>>> egregious one I've used in years.
>>
>> Well, to be fair - some of those are from iTunes itself and some from
>> QuickTime (which is required for iTunes). However you slice it, though,
>> Apple is pretty bad at tossing all sorts of junk into the startup routine of
>> Windows.
>
>
> True, some was QuickTime-specific stuff. Still, *none* of it is
> needed, for either program.

Agreed - not trying to excuse Apple's tossing of so much junk into the start
up of Windows... but it is not like Apple is unique on Windows doing this...
it is pretty much the norm (though Apple is as bad as any I can think of).

>> I have the stuff from Parallels which allow me to move the mouse back and
>> forth and drag files between the two OSs, AVG and Sidebar. I also had Adobe
>> stuff - I just install Acrobat Reader and forgot to remove the two items it
>> adds. On OS X it does not add anything (though it does offer to add an
>> add-on for web browsers, but you can select to do so or not at install
>> time).
>>
>> Why is this so much more common on Windows?
>
> Good question. In Adobe Reader for Windows, I have to go into
> Preferences and uncheck displaying the PDF in the browser. I've
> always found reading them inside the browser to suck ass in terms of
> performance, compared to opening them in Adobe itself.

I generally keep the standard OS X behavior of using Preview in Safari which
works a *lot* faster. Only problem is Preview does not show check marks
saved on PDF forms *if* the forms were saved from Acrobat Reader. When I am
doing work where I need this feature a lot I set Reader to be the default...
and then have to unset it. Not a huge deal, but not ideal. Not something
the general user would do (or, for the most part, need... how common are PDF
forms with saved data?)

> As for the general phenomenon, it does annoy me a lot, but since I'm adept at
> managing Windows, I guess it just doesn't bother me enough to worry about it.

For my use it is not a big deal - use msconfig, Glary or Spybot. But for
general users it is a big deal - I often get calls from people with "broken"
machines which, really, just have tons of stuff launching on boot. It costs
people money to have this "fixed". Hmmm, it seems a good topic to add to my
blog to point people to - though with all the options out there it is hard
to make general rules as to what to keep and what to toss.

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That too. I've never used the automater as I have been taught to do it
the older way that I'm comfortable with. One of these days I'll have to
look into it.

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Nov 23, 2009, 9:08:26 PM11/23/09

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In article <zL9Om.7563$Ym4....@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
<website_...@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:

> For a product that now sells with zero day exploits
Now?
Sells with zero-day exploits weeks later?
And you haven't backed up this claim, anyway!

> and with micoshaft marketing department assisting the spread
> of viruses
The marketing department, or the whole company, through this product?

> and who is refusing to withdraw the defective product
> from the shelves?
_and_? Defective? You just keep making the claim, but I don't see any
support or facts for it.

> You are some retard!
Back at you; you keep posting comments about 'zero-day' exploits that
are happening weeks after release.
If you don't know what you are talking about, stop posting.
Once people point out that you don't know much, you really need to stop
being insulting, especially.

Why would you be posting in a Mac advocacy group, anyway?
The Mac users know better than you do, and the Windows trolls won't
listen to it at all.

Alan Baker

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Nov 24, 2009, 6:22:37 PM11/24/09

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In article
<cd5fbf3b-3668-4197...@j35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,

The only place it has ever been called that is in your fevered
imagination, Clyde.

--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)

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Nov 24, 2009, 6:23:44 PM11/24/09

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In article <0001HW.C72F8C8E...@news.giganews.com>,
Fa-groon <fa-g...@mad.com> wrote:

No, actually, they don't have to be doing that.

Alan Baker

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Nov 24, 2009, 6:30:18 PM11/24/09

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In article <uNidnSrJWew8rJTW...@giganews.com>,

Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Justin wrote:
>
> > Wow! an even better solution! Because once again everyone knows about
> > msconfig. The knowledge is implanted in their minds at birth.
> > Apple's solution is not to have bullshit like that.
>
> Oh really?
>
> What is this:
>
> /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Launch
> Services.framework/Versions/A/Support/lsregister
> -kill -r -domain local -domain system -domain user
>
> I wish I had $5 for every time I have had to run this Terminal command.
>

> Steve

Because $5 is a lot of money to you?

Alan Baker

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Nov 24, 2009, 6:30:38 PM11/24/09

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In article <BcOdnXZzoLD0eJTW...@giganews.com>,

Steve de Mena <st...@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Justin wrote:

> > Steve de Mena wrote:
> >> Justin wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow! an even better solution! Because once again everyone knows
> >>> about msconfig. The knowledge is implanted in their minds at birth.
> >>> Apple's solution is not to have bullshit like that.
> >>
> >> Oh really?
> >>
> >> What is this:
> >>
> >> /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreServices.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/Lau
> >> nchServices.framework/Versions/A/Support/lsregister
> >> -kill -r -domain local -domain system -domain user
> >>
> >> I wish I had $5 for every time I have had to run this Terminal command.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >

> > I never had to run it.
>
> You have never right-clicked a file and had duplicates on the "Open
> With..." list of programs? (Typically multiple minor updates of the
> same app)
>
> Steve

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Nov 24, 2009, 10:01:34 PM11/24/09

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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:43:37 -0800, Alan Baker wrote
(in article <alangbaker-436E3...@news.shawcable.com>):

So, you are saying that the Mac version of Adobe InDesign's ability to
rasterize PostScript on the fly does not use the Mac's display PDF engine to
do that rasterization?

>
> And Apple didn't license Display PDF from Adobe for Mac OS X.

Display PDF uses PostScript code. You are saying that Apple didn't license
that from Adobe?

> Mostly
> because there is no such product as "Display PDF".

Perhaps not, but there are proprietary Adobe technologies called PDF and
PostScript which are a part of Display PDF which surely Apple would have had
to license.

> There was Display Postscript, but that was too expensive to license, so Apple
developed
> their own imaging system that used the PDF file format.

OK. But still PDF uses PostScript as a subset technology, does it not?
According to Wikipedia:

"Anyone may create applications that can read and write PDF files without
having to pay royalties to Adobe Systems; Adobe holds patents to PDF, but
licenses them for royalty-free use in developing software complying with its
PDF specification.[6]

The PDF combines three technologies:
* A subset of the PostScript page description programming language, for
generating the layout and graphics.
* A font-embedding/replacement system to allow fonts to travel with the
documents.
* A structured storage system to bundle these elements and any associated
content into a single file, with data compression where appropriate."

This implies that PDF has to licensed fro Adobe, and since it uses a subset
of PostScript, ostensibly that would have to be licensed as well.

GreyCloud

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Nov 25, 2009, 3:54:11 PM11/25/09

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Yeup. Plus Nortons AV software. This particular virus got thru rather
fast before I even had a chance to update Nortons.