[News] Novell Brings the {Microsoft Web}^TM to GNU/Linux
Roy Schestowitz
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| "We don't know if [Silverlight] becomes successful," De Icaza said, but if
| so, Moonlight will offer the same functionality to Linux.
|
| "We didn't want to be left out. We didn’t want Linux to be a second-class
| citizen," he said.
|
| Novell's agreement with Microsoft, inked last year, has helped de Icaza's
| team obtain some of the building blocks for the project.
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http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/45500-1.html
This serves nobody by Microsoft. Patents, illusion of "cross-platform"...
Related:
Moonlight and the dupe quiz? Microsoft or Novell?
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| Microsoft doesn't respect Novell. Microsoft uses Novell. Novell has a
| temporary use for Microsoft as its sycophant to "prove" that Microsoft cares
| about interoperability. "See! We interoperate with Linux, provided that it's
| a Linux we can crush at a moment's notice the minute too many of you care
| about it. We'll even keep tabs on your Linux adoption with our nifty coupon
| program."
|
| Novell needs to keep growing its Linux business independent of Microsoft.
| Then, and only then, will it be able to talk interoperability with Microsoft
| as an equal and then, and only then, will customers truly benefit. Customers
| that are locked into the Microsoft + Novell platform are not any more free
| than they were with just Microsoft. In fact, they may be worse off, because
| they've been duped into believing they actually have freedom.
|
| Watching shadows on the wall....
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http://blogs.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9773642-16.html
Linux to Microsoft: Let's Fight with Silverlight
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| Microsoft has spent the past few years trumpeting their "you are
| using patented code" with zero proof or real legal action, this
| is their ace in the hole. If Microsoft does manage to make sure
| that this Silverlight becomes the new standard for media rich web
| browsing, we are in real trouble.
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http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2547&Itemid=449
Microsoft's Silverlight Biased and Doomed
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| Microsoft is undoubtedly making progress in the browser and operating
| system platform struggle, but since their new Web technology can't be
| viewed and created by everyone, they still have a long way to go.
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http://www.osweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2545&Itemid=449
Why Microsoft Silverlight Will Fail.
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| My main reasons (And please, correct me if I am wrong):
|
| * No IDE for me - The development path is currently platform
| specific to Windows. Not even an open compiler or server side
| compiler for Linux is available. Use Expression Blend on my
| Mac? Not happening.
|
| * No plug in for Linux - Even Adobe has managed to deliver it's
| modern plugin to Linux users. I only use Linux as a server
| platform, but with Ubuntu, etc making inroads on the desktop,
| it's nice to have it as an option.
|
| [...]
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http://visualrinse.com/2007/04/16/why-microsoft-silverlight-will-fail/
Microsoft's Silverlight and Adobe's Apollo: Web-Killer 2.0
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| Now some may be wondering why so many people, myself included, have such
| violent negative reactions to these attempts to improve the user experience
| of the World Wide Web. After all, I wrote a report at Forrester about seven
| years ago called the X Internet that claimed that the Web needed to be more
| interactive. So what's wrong with a extensions and developer tools to make
| it all easier? Well, other than attempting to sidestep important
| collaborative efforts like World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) and the Web
| Standards Project, these proprietary browser extensions break the utility
| of the World Wide Web in important ways.
|
| [...]
|
| It's nice to know that despite changes in interfaces and software
| technology, Microsoft's strategy for the Internet hasn't changed.
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http://biz.yahoo.com/seekingalpha/070507/34657_id.html?.v=19
Audience abandons Microsoft's MIX 07 keynote
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| He said that when Microsoft and other companies create communities
| around their technology, it's usually accidental, not created by
| any ad placed strategically on a web page or in a game.
|
| "The Xbox community existed, but the Microsoft ads [in games and
| on Xbox Live] then got moved around quite by accident, not by
| design," Rasala said. "It's unclear that many companies can
| replicate that pattern by design."
|
| After Bach's keynote, it was difficult to find attendees in
| the hall that did not work for Microsoft. Nine out of 10
| attendees approached for comment after his talk were from
| the company.
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http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=9217
Silverlight is about The Microsoft Web.
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| Sorry, but I have to say something very rude. You clearly don't know
| what you're talking about. That is Microsoft PR talking. Can you say
| "credibility loss".
|
| Silverlight is about The Microsoft Web
|
| Silverlight is not about the World Wide Web. It's about The Microsoft
| Web. It's about getting fools to rally around Microsoft. After all of
| this time and experience with Microsoft, anybody with half a brain
| will be smart enough to avoid doing that. The last thing you want to
| be is dependent on Microsoft and set yourself up to be a DIRECT
| competitor with "Microsoft Cloud Services" down the road. Dumb.
| Foolish. Stupid. Smart investors won't invest one dime in your
| company and might even short your stock.
|
| Remember, it's Microsoft's cloud. Microsoft is not investing in
| huge datacenters all around the world for no reason. And, Microsoft
| will do whatever it takes, including operating that new online
| services business at a huge loss, to starve off any smaller
| competitor that foolishly chose to develop on the Silverlight
| platform. Microsoft sold $44 BILLION and cleared $18 BILLION
| profit last year. How many billions did you make last year?
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http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-11406-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=33334&messageID=613757
Microsoft's Silverlight Promises to Disrupt Linux Web Users
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| Just as it seemed that Linux users (especially 64-bit users) would
| finally be able to enjoy streaming content with a minimum of
| hassle, Microsoft's new Silverlight software promises to throw a
| wrench in the works. Because of sites like Google Video and
| Youtube, Flash video has become a common means of streaming
| multimedia over the Internet.
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http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1418.html
Microsoft's 'Everywhere' excludes Linux
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| This browser add-on enables rendering of WPF content, but
| "Everywhere" doesn't include Linux.
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http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7794/53/
ECIS Accuses Microsoft of Plotting HTML Hijack
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| An industry coalition that has represented competitors of Microsoft
| in European markets before the European Commission stepped up its
| public relations offensive this morning, this time accusing
| Microsoft of scheming to upset HTML's place in the fabric of
| the Internet with XAML, an XML-based layout lexicon forn
| etwork applications.
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http://www.betanews.com/article/ECIS_Accuses_Microsoft_of_Plotting_HTML_Hijack/1169824569
Software rivals say Microsoft's Vista illegal in Europe (at CNNMoney.com)
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| Software manufacturers, citing 2004 European Commission finding,
| contend the operating system violates server laws in Europe.
|
| [...]
|
| "Vista is the first step of Microsoft's strategy to extend its market
| dominance to the Internet," the ECIS statement said.
|
| It said Microsoft's XAML markup language was "positioned to replace HTML,"
| the industry standard for publishing documents on the Internet.
|
| Microsoft's own language would be dependent on Windows, and discriminatory
| against rival systems such as Linux, the group says.
|
| They said a so-called "open XML" platform file format, known as OOXML, is
| designed to run seamlessly only on the Microsoft Office platform.
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| From: Bill Gates
| Sent: Saturday, December 05, 1998 9:44 AM
| To: Bob Muglia (Exchange); Jon DeVaan; Steven Sinofsky
| Cc: Paul Mariz
| Subject: Office rendering
|
| One thing we have got to change is our strategy -- allowing Office
| documents to be rendered very well by OTHER PEOPLES BROWSERS is one of the
| most destructive things we could do to the company.
|
| We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office
| documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities.
|
| Anything else is suicide for our platform. This is a case where Office has
| to to destroy Windows.
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http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/2000/PX02991.pdf
birre
> Novell to release Silverlight clone for Linux
Novell don't understand what they have :-/
Now they give Microsoft the trigger button where all media
at any time can be DRM only, locking us out from Internet,
instead of only using open formats until Internet is liberated
from Microsofts proprietary evil junk.
/bb
Mark Kent
> Novell to release Silverlight clone for Linux
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>| "We don't know if [Silverlight] becomes successful," De Icaza said, but if
>| so, Moonlight will offer the same functionality to Linux.
>|
>|
>| Novell's agreement with Microsoft, inked last year, has helped de Icaza's
>| team obtain some of the building blocks for the project.
> `----
>
> http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/45500-1.html
>
> This serves nobody by Microsoft. Patents, illusion of "cross-platform"...
>
>
It does seem to be all over for the Microsoft monopoly. Vista is really
a non-starter, and whilst one can be certain that a lot of large
companies will stick with another round or two of Microsoft in their
desktops and data centres, small and medium companies, educational
institutions and governments of various kinds are all moving onto open
systems.
The new market spaces created by the Nokia 770/800/810 and the Asus Eee
are certain to seed a whole new computing usage pattern, as we drift
closer and closer to Iain M Banks' view of the world where everyone is
connected to the net by some kind of terminal, typically very portable
indeed. The PS3 is seeding a new generation of appliance, and the gap
left between the highly mobile devices and next generation domestic
appliances leaves little room for a specific desktop machine. Even home
servers are best done though eg., Bubba.
Monoplatform developments are just so very very 1990s, and even those
companies trying, perhaps rather late, to migrate their businesses into
the open world, like Dell and Novell, might well have waited far too
long in making their change. Perhaps they will gain enough sales from
the conservative big businesses which can afford to burn millions by
sticking with Microsoft in order to tide them over to the new world.
And perhaps not.
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Mark Kent
Roy Schestowitz
> birre <spam...@norsborg.net> espoused:
>> On 2007-12-05 23:55, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>> Novell to release Silverlight clone for Linux
>>
>> Novell don't understand what they have :-/
>>
>> Now they give Microsoft the trigger button where all media
>> at any time can be DRM only, locking us out from Internet,
>> instead of only using open formats until Internet is liberated
>> from Microsofts proprietary evil junk.
>>
>> /bb
>
> I think Novell understand very well what they have...
>
Yesterday (and no, I didn't post this to c.o.l.a.):
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020
As part of Novell’s arrangement with Microsoft, Microsoft also is providing
financial incentives to Novell to get Silverlight on Linux, de Icaza added.
“Microsoft agreed to pay all the licensing and patent fees for
redistributing the (Silverlight) codecs,” de Icaza said. “We don’t have the
Microsoft codecs for Silverlight now. So we can not yet do streaming. … But
it’s coming.”
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The Ghost In The Machine
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on Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:50:22 +0000
<6653133.k...@schestowitz.com>:
> ____/ Mark Kent on Friday 07 December 2007 13:39 : \____
>
[snippage]
> Yesterday (and no, I didn't post this to c.o.l.a.):
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020
>
> As part of Novell?s arrangement with Microsoft, Microsoft
> also is providing financial incentives to Novell to get
> Silverlight on Linux, de Icaza added.
>
> ?Microsoft agreed to pay all the licensing and
> patent fees for redistributing the (Silverlight) codecs,?
> de Icaza said. ?We don?t have the Microsoft codecs for
> Silverlight now. So we can not yet do streaming. ? But
> it?s coming.?
>
Grrr...is it too much to ask for the open source community
(presumably, Firefox) to do something intelligent with
U+2019 (’), U+201C (“), and U+201D (”)
when posting to ASCII media such as Usenet?
Granted, this is not exactly up there with global
warming, world peace, species extinction, and even Linux
development, but this sort of thing isn't going to go
unnoticed.
And no, it's not Microsoft's fault...this time:
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Server: Apache/2
(One wonders, of course, regarding the server, though. Heh heh heh...)
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Roy Schestowitz
It's actually Matt Mullenweg's fault. I've known him since 2004 when I started
to get involved with WordPress. Before founding WordPress he was merely
hacking on b2, which was an abandoned project hosted on SourceForge (I am not
100% sure about this because Michele, its maintainer, had a homepage for it as
well). Anyway, Matt had his b2 blog and then he decided to 'hack' on it (the
system facilitated no notion like a 'plugin' at the time). His first hack was
supposed to help him avoid entering all these codes (sequences) for fancy
quotes (I hate these too).
That's how WordPress began. A bunch of Matt's plugins, together with others'
(Alex King is among them for sure). He then got together with Mike Little
(whom I once met because he lives nearby), they chatted on IM, and WordPress
was born. Some of the 'nice' functionality that was there included 'smart'
coversion of symbols. automated (and somewhat broken) nesting and markup
completion (conceded with the introduction of TinyMCE for WYSIWYG UI), among
other things. A year went by and Matt decided to drop out of college to join
CNET in SF, where he was practically paid to do some work on GPL-licnsed
WordPress and their blog (they had none at the time, I believe). ZDNet and
CNET are partners in many ways, so blogs came to ZDNet as well and... you've
guessed it... it ran WordPress... before it even ran millions of Web sites.
So, to cut a long story short... the 'dirty' DNA that is all those annoying
symbols comes from the underlying CMS at ZDNet Blogs. This caused me a lot of
trouble when I posted to COLA with the previous version of KNode, which did
something else with charsets, even when I pasted from WordPress-powered sites.
Some months ago, a year or so after Matt founded Automattic, he was voted by
PCWorld (IIRC) as one among the top 20 most influential people in the
Internet/Web. And he's two years younger than me! A year younger than
FaceBook's founder, IIRC.
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flatfish
<newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>It's actually Matt Mullenweg's fault. I've known him since 2004 when I started
>to get involved with WordPress. Before founding WordPress he was merely
>hacking on b2
Yawwnnnnnnnnnnn..........
OMG, it's son of Rex!
Mark Kent
> ____/ Mark Kent on Friday 07 December 2007 13:39 : \____
>
>> birre <spam...@norsborg.net> espoused:
>>> On 2007-12-05 23:55, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>> Novell to release Silverlight clone for Linux
>>>
>>> Novell don't understand what they have :-/
>>>
>>> Now they give Microsoft the trigger button where all media
>>> at any time can be DRM only, locking us out from Internet,
>>> instead of only using open formats until Internet is liberated
>>> from Microsofts proprietary evil junk.
>>>
>>> /bb
>>
>> I think Novell understand very well what they have...
>>
>
> Yesterday (and no, I didn't post this to c.o.l.a.):
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020
>
> financial incentives to Novell to get Silverlight on Linux, de Icaza added.
>
> redistributing the (Silverlight) codecs,? de Icaza said. ?We don?t have the
> Microsoft codecs for Silverlight now. So we can not yet do streaming. ? But
> it?s coming.?
>
I wonder just how much of Novell's income is from Microsoft now, rather
a lot, I suspect. I also wonder just how easy to determine this it will
be from their annual accounts, which are, I understand, in delay.
Roy Schestowitz
> Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> espoused:
>> ____/ Mark Kent on Friday 07 December 2007 13:39 : \____
>>
>>> birre <spam...@norsborg.net> espoused:
>>>> On 2007-12-05 23:55, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>> Novell to release Silverlight clone for Linux
>>>>
>>>> Novell don't understand what they have :-/
>>>>
>>>> Now they give Microsoft the trigger button where all media
>>>> at any time can be DRM only, locking us out from Internet,
>>>> instead of only using open formats until Internet is liberated
>>>> from Microsofts proprietary evil junk.
>>>>
>>>> /bb
>>>
>>> I think Novell understand very well what they have...
>>>
>>
>> Yesterday (and no, I didn't post this to c.o.l.a.):
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1020
>>
>> As part of Novell?s arrangement with Microsoft, Microsoft also is
>> providing
>> financial incentives to Novell to get Silverlight on Linux, de Icaza added.
>>
>> ?Microsoft agreed to pay all the licensing and patent fees for
>> redistributing the (Silverlight) codecs,? de Icaza said. ?We don?t have the
>> Microsoft codecs for Silverlight now. So we can not yet do streaming. ? But
>> it?s coming.?
>>
>
> I wonder just how much of Novell's income is from Microsoft now, rather
> a lot, I suspect. I also wonder just how easy to determine this it will
> be from their annual accounts, which are, I understand, in delay.
Rightly so. In case you have not listening to/read this the other day, here it
is again:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/07/open_season_seven/
Wow. Confirmation of 'funny business' (finance) and loss of talent. They also
try to shut Matt Asay up so that he doesn't talk about it (but he did, and I
put it all in text).
Quotes from the podcast:
Matt Asay: “Yeah, you notice that I’ve been really nice about Novell lately.
It’s… it’s because I kept getting calls from people in the company [Novell]
begg… asking me to be nice...."
[...]
Ashlee Vance: “And top of all this, we have Novell just today when we were
recording the broadcast they had to lay their 4th quarter earnings because of
a SEC probe.”
Matt Asay: “Well, I doubt, I tend… I don’t know who reported on that, but I saw
something where they say, you know, this probably isn’t due to Novell
massaging its numbers around Linux, which is what Dana Blakenhorn at ZDNet had
claimed, I mean, I can tell you absolutely for a verifiable fact for that
Novell does do that, but then again everybody does that. So… I’ve.. I’ve got
the sales guys at Novell telling me that, that they do this, but it just
doesn’t matter, I… I suspect that this is a tech… like a technicality that
Novell has run afoul of and not a big deal, but maybe I’ll.. maybe we’ll be
wrong, maybe I’ll be wrong, we should see.”
Ashlee Vance: “So you think people fudge the shipping numbers or they’re
fudging revenue numbers, I mean, reve..?”
Matt Asay: “No…no… no… no not… just saying that they are putting it into
different buckets. Ummm…like, some of that Linux revenue that Novell reports,
based on what I’ve heard from Linux inside the company, is not Linux revenue
by… by.., what are… reasonably prudently outside observer and what they would
say.”
Novell didn't like it when Matt wrote things which I then cited and used
against Novell. So now he talks rather than write about that stuff. I put it
into text so that I can cite it in the future. :-) Already spread in at least
3-4 Web sites with regular readers. Secrets don't make fraud ethical.
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Just grabbing it for a listen...