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Feb 10, 2012, 6:23:59 PM2/10/12
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Linux salaries jump upward
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http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
Linux job market is hot!
97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold with an OS
contains Linux.
All flat TVs, printers, ipwebcams, routers, set top boxes,
MP3, MP4, MP5 players, HD recorders, DVD recorders, DVD players,
Android phones and tablets, NAS, media streamers, satnavs, digital
photoframes, wireless routers, etc.
The engineers who release source code under FSF's GPL for free ask only
that you use it as often as possible. They make their money from supporting
and extending GPL'd software.
And now Linux and open source engineers are some of the highest
paid programmers and in great demand.
--------------------------
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
Linux job market is hot!
97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold with an OS
contains Linux.
All flat TVs, printers, ipwebcams, routers, set top boxes,
MP3, MP4, MP5 players, HD recorders, DVD recorders, DVD players,
Android phones and tablets, NAS, media streamers, satnavs, digital
photoframes, wireless routers, etc.
The engineers who release source code under FSF's GPL for free ask only
that you use it as often as possible. They make their money from supporting
and extending GPL'd software.
And now Linux and open source engineers are some of the highest
paid programmers and in great demand.
Big Steel
Feb 10, 2012, 6:44:58 PM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 6:23 PM, 7 wrote:
<snipped>
What the hell is happening in the UK? You keep focusing on the US. Is
the UK shit-hole at rock-bottom over there?
<snipped>
What the hell is happening in the UK? You keep focusing on the US. Is
the UK shit-hole at rock-bottom over there?
Ezekiel
Feb 10, 2012, 7:10:18 PM2/10/12
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"7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
> Linux salaries jump upward
> --------------------------
>
> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>
> Linux job market is hot!
>
If someone knows Linux - that's good.
> --------------------------
>
> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>
> Linux job market is hot!
>
If someone knows Windows - that's good.
If someone knows both - that's great.
Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even better than
great.
Big Steel
Feb 10, 2012, 7:17:38 PM2/10/12
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professional programmer.
However, he will stick his nose in this thread on the behalf of
professional programmers he is not a part of. :)
-hh
Feb 10, 2012, 7:25:36 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 6:23 pm, 7
And here I was expecting the claim to be that Linux salaries went from
$0 to $00.
> And now Linux and open source engineers are some of the highest
> paid programmers and in great demand.
A Microsoft guy that jousts on CSMA would likely disagree with you:
he claimed last fall that some of the salaries in his area were "six
digits" (ie, $100K). Don't think that he came up with sufficient
substantiation, though.
-hh
<email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_...@enemygadgets.com> wrote:
> Linux salaries jump upward
> --------------------------
>
> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary...
> Linux salaries jump upward
> --------------------------
>
And here I was expecting the claim to be that Linux salaries went from
$0 to $00.
> And now Linux and open source engineers are some of the highest
> paid programmers and in great demand.
he claimed last fall that some of the salaries in his area were "six
digits" (ie, $100K). Don't think that he came up with sufficient
substantiation, though.
-hh
Chris Ahlstrom
Feb 10, 2012, 7:34:09 PM2/10/12
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7 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> 97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold with an OS
> contains Linux.
Dude! Heck! I think it is more like 90% :-D
--
There are enough OSS craps to moan about to keep DFS busy for years. Its
the nature of the beast. The most succesful OSS apps are those employed
heavily on Windows systems since thats where most of the users are and
the most noise if things do not work properly. Common sense.
-- "True Linux Advocate" "Hadron". Copied from Google Groups.
> 97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold with an OS
> contains Linux.
--
There are enough OSS craps to moan about to keep DFS busy for years. Its
the nature of the beast. The most succesful OSS apps are those employed
heavily on Windows systems since thats where most of the users are and
the most noise if things do not work properly. Common sense.
-- "True Linux Advocate" "Hadron". Copied from Google Groups.
Foster
Feb 10, 2012, 7:38:21 PM2/10/12
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:34:09 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> 7 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> 97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold with an OS
>> contains Linux.
>
> Dude! Heck! I think it is more like 90% :-D
What would you know Chris Ahlstrom?
> 7 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> 97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold with an OS
>> contains Linux.
>
> Dude! Heck! I think it is more like 90% :-D
After all, you are a Windows user, not a Linux user and you are not
a programmer either.
Chris Ahlstrom
Feb 10, 2012, 7:43:44 PM2/10/12
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/legal/software_license
Software License
Terms and Conditions
and GNU GPL
This document describes the terms and conditions for use of the
DIRECTV Software installed on the DIRECTV Receiver. Also included is
the text of the GNU General Public License (GPL), Version 2, June
1991.
TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR USE OF SOFTWARE ("Terms")
THE DIRECTV RECEIVER INCORPORATES SOFTWARE WHICH IS OWNED BY DIRECTV,
LLC. ("DIRECTV") OR ITS THIRD PARTY LICENSORS (the "Software").
BEFORE USING THE RECEIVER PLEASE READ THESE TERMS. IF YOU DO NOT
AGREE TO THESE TERMS YOU MAY NOT USE THE RECEIVER AND SHOULD
IMMEDIATELY RETURN THE RECEIVER TO DIRECTV OR YOUR SUPPLIER. THESE
TERMS ALSO APPLY TO ANY MODIFICATIONS, UPDATES OR SUPPLEMENTS TO THE
SOFTWARE PROVIDED TO YOU.
But...
DIRECTV grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license
to use the Software solely in executable code form and solely as
integrated with, incorporated into, and in conjunction with the
Receiver. . . .
Then again...
Certain components of the Software may be subject to the GNU General
Public Licence, Version 2, June 1991 ("GPL"), "free software"
licenses and other open source software licenses. The foregoing
components of the Software are not and may not be subject to the
License Restrictions in Section B above. In compliance with the GPL,
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associated utilities it uses, together with its modifications (if
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to use, modify and distribute the software and any modifications as
long as you comply with the terms of the GPL referred to above and
other open source software licenses.
Hey, trolls! DirecTV uses "hobbyware"! :-D
--
What fact? MS does not have and never had a monopoly. Linux is free for
anyone to download. Lots of people have tried selling Linux systems and
failed. What you MEAN is that until Windows users decide they don't want
Windows anymore they will continue to buy it.
-- "Hadron" <088ca7-...@news.eternal-september.org>
Software License
Terms and Conditions
and GNU GPL
This document describes the terms and conditions for use of the
DIRECTV Software installed on the DIRECTV Receiver. Also included is
the text of the GNU General Public License (GPL), Version 2, June
1991.
TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR USE OF SOFTWARE ("Terms")
THE DIRECTV RECEIVER INCORPORATES SOFTWARE WHICH IS OWNED BY DIRECTV,
LLC. ("DIRECTV") OR ITS THIRD PARTY LICENSORS (the "Software").
BEFORE USING THE RECEIVER PLEASE READ THESE TERMS. IF YOU DO NOT
AGREE TO THESE TERMS YOU MAY NOT USE THE RECEIVER AND SHOULD
IMMEDIATELY RETURN THE RECEIVER TO DIRECTV OR YOUR SUPPLIER. THESE
TERMS ALSO APPLY TO ANY MODIFICATIONS, UPDATES OR SUPPLEMENTS TO THE
SOFTWARE PROVIDED TO YOU.
But...
DIRECTV grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license
to use the Software solely in executable code form and solely as
integrated with, incorporated into, and in conjunction with the
Receiver. . . .
Then again...
Certain components of the Software may be subject to the GNU General
Public Licence, Version 2, June 1991 ("GPL"), "free software"
licenses and other open source software licenses. The foregoing
components of the Software are not and may not be subject to the
License Restrictions in Section B above. In compliance with the GPL,
DIRECTV, its suppliers, or its third party licensors, upon written
request, will make the source code of the software, libraries and
associated utilities it uses, together with its modifications (if
any), available to the public in source code form. You are free
to use, modify and distribute the software and any modifications as
long as you comply with the terms of the GPL referred to above and
other open source software licenses.
Hey, trolls! DirecTV uses "hobbyware"! :-D
--
What fact? MS does not have and never had a monopoly. Linux is free for
anyone to download. Lots of people have tried selling Linux systems and
failed. What you MEAN is that until Windows users decide they don't want
Windows anymore they will continue to buy it.
-- "Hadron" <088ca7-...@news.eternal-september.org>
TomB
Feb 10, 2012, 7:42:08 PM2/10/12
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On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
A broad knowledge is always good if it's about getting a well-paid
job. Still, in recent years the demand for /good/ GNU/Linux admins
/did/ increase by leaps and bounds.
But I said it before, and I'll say it again: despite my opinion about
Microsoft as a company and Windows in general as an OS, I absolutely
love working in a mixed environment. Nothing is more fun than making
all those systems "talk" with each other and mak sure they
"understand" each other. The Redmond OS in particular often does its
best to make this a very challenging task :-p
--
BOFH excuse #56:
Electricians made popcorn in the power supply
job. Still, in recent years the demand for /good/ GNU/Linux admins
/did/ increase by leaps and bounds.
But I said it before, and I'll say it again: despite my opinion about
Microsoft as a company and Windows in general as an OS, I absolutely
love working in a mixed environment. Nothing is more fun than making
all those systems "talk" with each other and mak sure they
"understand" each other. The Redmond OS in particular often does its
best to make this a very challenging task :-p
--
BOFH excuse #56:
Electricians made popcorn in the power supply
Chris Ahlstrom
Feb 10, 2012, 7:51:42 PM2/10/12
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TomB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
Well, Tom, as far as I have seen, the open-source / Free software coders
have put a big dent in the challenge with Samba, rdesktop,
Open/LibreOffice, etc.
Of course, Microsoft will churn, and so there are challenges such as
DOCX that remain.
Ha ha, a troll tactic exemplar. Can even Göbbels do better?
Things are becoming clear all over. The smoke of rhetoric is
vanishing, and all that remains is a miserable remnant of fantasies
that absolutely no one confuses with reality. The German proletariat
is one hope poorer, perhaps its last one. Marx’s game is over. Nature
is in charge once again, and it has made the eternal laws pitilessly
and unmistakably clear: the laws of personality, struggle, and race.
O "Hadron", make stride in your Kampf! :-D
--
Are you really such a sycophantic arse kisser? Try reading the bloody
article. No one is talking about removing all choice. We are talking
about the well researched and observed FACTS that TOO MUCH UNNECESSARY
choice is a burden on most people. It is FAR better to filter the dross
first and not have EVERY ONE having to start from first principles to
choose a distro (for example).
Can you really be such a smug, self absorbed incompetent arse kisser as
you come across as? Can you really be trying to misquote so obviously?
Can you really be so ready to lower your appalling reputation as a suck
up yet further with these "me too" posts in the face of bone-fide
research and result analysis?
Streuth. Get a life and try using your own brain for a change and not
get towed along on your Masters lead as is the norm these days.
-- "Hadron", kissing up to fellow trolls
have put a big dent in the challenge with Samba, rdesktop,
Open/LibreOffice, etc.
Of course, Microsoft will churn, and so there are challenges such as
DOCX that remain.
Ha ha, a troll tactic exemplar. Can even Göbbels do better?
Things are becoming clear all over. The smoke of rhetoric is
vanishing, and all that remains is a miserable remnant of fantasies
that absolutely no one confuses with reality. The German proletariat
is one hope poorer, perhaps its last one. Marx’s game is over. Nature
is in charge once again, and it has made the eternal laws pitilessly
and unmistakably clear: the laws of personality, struggle, and race.
O "Hadron", make stride in your Kampf! :-D
--
Are you really such a sycophantic arse kisser? Try reading the bloody
article. No one is talking about removing all choice. We are talking
about the well researched and observed FACTS that TOO MUCH UNNECESSARY
choice is a burden on most people. It is FAR better to filter the dross
first and not have EVERY ONE having to start from first principles to
choose a distro (for example).
Can you really be such a smug, self absorbed incompetent arse kisser as
you come across as? Can you really be trying to misquote so obviously?
Can you really be so ready to lower your appalling reputation as a suck
up yet further with these "me too" posts in the face of bone-fide
research and result analysis?
Streuth. Get a life and try using your own brain for a change and not
get towed along on your Masters lead as is the norm these days.
-- "Hadron", kissing up to fellow trolls
DFS
Feb 10, 2012, 8:13:48 PM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 7:42 PM, TomB wrote:
> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>>
>> "7"<email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
>> news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>> Linux salaries jump upward
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>>>
>>> Linux job market is hot!
>>>
>>
>> If someone knows Linux - that's good.
>> If someone knows Windows - that's good.
>>
>> If someone knows both - that's great.
>>
>> Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even
>> better than great.
>
> A broad knowledge is always good if it's about getting a well-paid
> job. Still, in recent years the demand for /good/ GNU/Linux admins
> /did/ increase by leaps and bounds.
>
> But I said it before, and I'll say it again: despite my opinion about
> Microsoft as a company and Windows in general as an OS, I absolutely
> love working in a mixed environment. Nothing is more fun than making
> all those systems "talk" with each other and mak sure they
> "understand" each other.
Geeeekkkk!!!
> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>>
>> "7"<email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
>> news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>> Linux salaries jump upward
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>>>
>>> Linux job market is hot!
>>>
>>
>> If someone knows Linux - that's good.
>> If someone knows Windows - that's good.
>>
>> If someone knows both - that's great.
>>
>> Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even
>> better than great.
>
> A broad knowledge is always good if it's about getting a well-paid
> job. Still, in recent years the demand for /good/ GNU/Linux admins
> /did/ increase by leaps and bounds.
>
> But I said it before, and I'll say it again: despite my opinion about
> Microsoft as a company and Windows in general as an OS, I absolutely
> love working in a mixed environment. Nothing is more fun than making
> all those systems "talk" with each other and mak sure they
> "understand" each other.
Torre Starnes
Feb 11, 2012, 9:08:10 AM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:42:08 +0000 (UTC), TomB wrote:
> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>>
>> "7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
>> news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>> Linux salaries jump upward
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>>>
>>> Linux job market is hot!
>>>
>>
>> If someone knows Linux - that's good.
>> If someone knows Windows - that's good.
>>
>> If someone knows both - that's great.
>>
>> Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even
>> better than great.
>
> A broad knowledge is always good if it's about getting a well-paid
> job. Still, in recent years the demand for /good/ GNU/Linux admins
> /did/ increase by leaps and bounds.
True.
> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>>
>> "7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
>> news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>> Linux salaries jump upward
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>>>
>>> Linux job market is hot!
>>>
>>
>> If someone knows Linux - that's good.
>> If someone knows Windows - that's good.
>>
>> If someone knows both - that's great.
>>
>> Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even
>> better than great.
>
> A broad knowledge is always good if it's about getting a well-paid
> job. Still, in recent years the demand for /good/ GNU/Linux admins
> /did/ increase by leaps and bounds.
Linux is being deployed in large corporations running servers. IBM
offers it on their X-Series some of which use that UFEI or whatever
it's called BIOS BTW. They've been doing it for years.
> But I said it before, and I'll say it again: despite my opinion about
> Microsoft as a company and Windows in general as an OS, I absolutely
> love working in a mixed environment. Nothing is more fun than making
> all those systems "talk" with each other and mak sure they
> "understand" each other. The Redmond OS in particular often does its
> best to make this a very challenging task :-p
Power leads to wealth (or the other way around depending).
The more you know, the more valuable you are.
Torre Starnes
Feb 11, 2012, 9:09:58 AM2/11/12
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practices what he preaches and although I jab at him once in a
while, I respect his "geekiness".
At least he isn't some pretender like Ahlstrom.
7
Feb 11, 2012, 12:13:38 PM2/11/12
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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> 97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold with an OS
>> contains Linux.
>
> Dude! Heck! I think it is more like 90% :-D
Hmm.. I had 90%.
>> 97% of all major consumer electronics gadgets sold with an OS
>> contains Linux.
>
> Dude! Heck! I think it is more like 90% :-D
I can't remember why I had to switch to 97%.
DFS
Feb 11, 2012, 12:17:06 PM2/11/12
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some proof or reasonable evidence you wouldn't have to rack your deluded
brain.
Ezekiel
Feb 11, 2012, 12:28:16 PM2/11/12
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>
>"-hh" <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>news:c36fa8d8-c256-494e...@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
The problem with articles that quote figures like this is that there's yet
another cross-reference that needs to be done. These figures need to be
adjusted for the local cost of living. The quality of life afforded by the
median salary in the article ($84k) is going to vary greatly depending on
where you live.
>"-hh" <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>news:c36fa8d8-c256-494e...@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
another cross-reference that needs to be done. These figures need to be
adjusted for the local cost of living. The quality of life afforded by the
median salary in the article ($84k) is going to vary greatly depending on
where you live.
Foster
Feb 11, 2012, 12:32:38 PM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 12:28:16 -0500, Ezekiel wrote:
> The problem with articles that quote figures like this is that there's yet
> another cross-reference that needs to be done. These figures need to be
> adjusted for the local cost of living. The quality of life afforded by the
> median salary in the article ($84k) is going to vary greatly depending on
> where you live.
Where I live you would barely be able to survive on $84k/year
> The problem with articles that quote figures like this is that there's yet
> another cross-reference that needs to be done. These figures need to be
> adjusted for the local cost of living. The quality of life afforded by the
> median salary in the article ($84k) is going to vary greatly depending on
> where you live.
Extremely high rents, home prices, property taxes, state income tax,
gasoline tax, one of the highest energy costs in the USA and so
forth.
Now move to South Carolina and you would be able to live rather
nicely.
Move to West Virginia, assuming the job is there, and you could live
like a king.
Ezekiel
Feb 11, 2012, 12:40:09 PM2/11/12
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"TomB" <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:201202110...@usenet.drumscum.be...
> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>>
>> "7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>> Linux salaries jump upward
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>>>
>>> Linux job market is hot!
>>>
>>
>> If someone knows Linux - that's good.
>> If someone knows Windows - that's good.
>>
>> If someone knows both - that's great.
>>
>> Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even
>> better than great.
>
> A broad knowledge is always good if it's about
> getting a well-paid job.
It's also good to know just for the sake of knowledge for someone who is
>>
>> "7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>> Linux salaries jump upward
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>>>
>>> Linux job market is hot!
>>>
>>
>> If someone knows Linux - that's good.
>> If someone knows Windows - that's good.
>>
>> If someone knows both - that's great.
>>
>> Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even
>> better than great.
>
> A broad knowledge is always good if it's about
> getting a well-paid job.
interested in this sort of thing. My personal motivation for learning has
never been for getting a better job or more pay even if it eventually leads
to it.
> Still, in recent years the demand for /good/ GNU/Linux admins
> /did/ increase by leaps and bounds.
fill several positions. Even with the current unemployment figures, finding
good qualified people is difficult. The challenge is that the good qualified
people out there already have a job.
> But I said it before, and I'll say it again: despite my opinion about
> Microsoft as a company and Windows in general as an OS, I absolutely
> love working in a mixed environment. Nothing is more fun than making
> all those systems "talk" with each other and mak sure they
> "understand" each other. The Redmond OS in particular often does its
> best to make this a very challenging task :-p
pain, a mixed environment is more interesting overall to me.
TomB
Feb 12, 2012, 8:43:13 AM2/12/12
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On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
> "TomB" <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:201202110...@usenet.drumscum.be...
>> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>>> "7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote
>>> in message news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>>> Linux salaries jump upward
>>>> --------------------------
>>>>
>>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>>>>
>>>> Linux job market is hot!
>>>>
>>>
>>> If someone knows Linux - that's good.
>>> If someone knows Windows - that's good.
>>>
>>> If someone knows both - that's great.
>>>
>>> Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even
>>> better than great.
>>
>> A broad knowledge is always good if it's about getting a well-paid
>> job.
>
> It's also good to know just for the sake of knowledge for someone
> who is interested in this sort of thing. My personal motivation for
> learning has never been for getting a better job or more pay even if
> it eventually leads to it.
Same for me. I just like to know stuff. The fact that knowing that
> "TomB" <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:201202110...@usenet.drumscum.be...
>> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>>> "7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote
>>> in message news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>>> Linux salaries jump upward
>>>> --------------------------
>>>>
>>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>>>>
>>>> Linux job market is hot!
>>>>
>>>
>>> If someone knows Linux - that's good.
>>> If someone knows Windows - that's good.
>>>
>>> If someone knows both - that's great.
>>>
>>> Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even
>>> better than great.
>>
>> A broad knowledge is always good if it's about getting a well-paid
>> job.
>
> It's also good to know just for the sake of knowledge for someone
> who is interested in this sort of thing. My personal motivation for
> learning has never been for getting a better job or more pay even if
> it eventually leads to it.
stuff got me in a better position on the job market is just a nice
side effect :-)
So yes, in my spare time I like to tinker with Windows too. Just to
learn what makes it tick. But all my personal "work" is done on
GNU/Linux, because that's the OS I like most and feel most at ease
with when doing "stuff".
>> Still, in recent years the demand for /good/ GNU/Linux admins /did/
>> increase by leaps and bounds.
>
> At work we were recently reminded that the company is actively
> looking to fill several positions. Even with the current
> unemployment figures, finding good qualified people is difficult.
> The challenge is that the good qualified people out there already
> have a job.
>> But I said it before, and I'll say it again: despite my opinion
>> about Microsoft as a company and Windows in general as an OS, I
>> absolutely love working in a mixed environment. Nothing is more fun
>> than making all those systems "talk" with each other and mak sure
>> they "understand" each other. The Redmond OS in particular often
>> does its best to make this a very challenging task :-p
>
> I've work in both monolithic and mixed environments. Despite some of
> the pain, a mixed environment is more interesting overall to me.
GNU/Linux only job, but in the end I don't think that's what I want.
At work we now have a nice mix of Windows, OSX and Free *nixes like
GNU/Linux and FreeBSD. Works well for me.
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positron router malfunction
Ezekiel
Feb 12, 2012, 9:13:50 AM2/12/12
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have at home for computing equipment. They told me that they don't own a
computer at home because they like to relax when they're home. I found that
strange for several reasons. One of which is that I actually find this stuff
interesting and would own a computer regardless of where I worked and what I
did.
I've always felt that the people who learn this stuff for the sake of
"getting a better job" aren't as likely to learn/understand it as well as
someone who learns it out of curiousity and because they want to understand
it.
>>> Still, in recent years the demand for /good/ GNU/Linux admins /did/
>>> increase by leaps and bounds.
>>
>> At work we were recently reminded that the company is actively
>> looking to fill several positions. Even with the current
>> unemployment figures, finding good qualified people is difficult.
>> The challenge is that the good qualified people out there already
>> have a job.
>
> Yes, I do :-p
Looks like another failed recruiting attempt be me. I'll put you down as a
"maybe."
>> I've work in both monolithic and mixed environments. Despite some of
>> the pain, a mixed environment is more interesting overall to me.
>
> It absolutely is. I've been talking in the past about getting a
> GNU/Linux only job, but in the end I don't think that's what I want.
> At work we now have a nice mix of Windows, OSX and Free *nixes like
> GNU/Linux and FreeBSD. Works well for me.
A lot of what people work with is determined by who your company's
clients/customers are. The software we write is for big companies with
gigantic amounts of data. We're much more likely to encounter a machine with
several dozen processor cores than a Windows-XP machine. So while we do run
on Windows it's relatively low on the priority list.
> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>> "TomB" <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:201202110...@usenet.drumscum.be...
>>> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>>>> "7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote
>>>> in message news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>>>> Linux salaries jump upward
>>>>> --------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux job market is hot!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If someone knows Linux - that's good.
>>>> If someone knows Windows - that's good.
>>>>
>>>> If someone knows both - that's great.
>>>>
>>>> Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even
>>>> better than great.
>>>
>>> A broad knowledge is always good if it's about getting a well-paid
>>> job.
>>
>> It's also good to know just for the sake of knowledge for someone
>> who is interested in this sort of thing. My personal motivation for
>> learning has never been for getting a better job or more pay even if
>> it eventually leads to it.
>
> Same for me. I just like to know stuff. The fact that knowing that
> stuff got me in a better position on the job market is just a nice
> side effect :-)
I remember interviewing someone a few years back and asking them what they
>> "TomB" <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:201202110...@usenet.drumscum.be...
>>> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>>>> "7" <email_at_www_at_en...@enemygadgets.com> wrote
>>>> in message news:mDhZq.25919$kH7....@newsfe12.ams2...
>>>>> Linux salaries jump upward
>>>>> --------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux job market is hot!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If someone knows Linux - that's good.
>>>> If someone knows Windows - that's good.
>>>>
>>>> If someone knows both - that's great.
>>>>
>>>> Add knowledge of AIX, Solaris, etc to the resume and it's even
>>>> better than great.
>>>
>>> A broad knowledge is always good if it's about getting a well-paid
>>> job.
>>
>> It's also good to know just for the sake of knowledge for someone
>> who is interested in this sort of thing. My personal motivation for
>> learning has never been for getting a better job or more pay even if
>> it eventually leads to it.
>
> Same for me. I just like to know stuff. The fact that knowing that
> stuff got me in a better position on the job market is just a nice
> side effect :-)
have at home for computing equipment. They told me that they don't own a
computer at home because they like to relax when they're home. I found that
strange for several reasons. One of which is that I actually find this stuff
interesting and would own a computer regardless of where I worked and what I
did.
I've always felt that the people who learn this stuff for the sake of
"getting a better job" aren't as likely to learn/understand it as well as
someone who learns it out of curiousity and because they want to understand
it.
>>> Still, in recent years the demand for /good/ GNU/Linux admins /did/
>>> increase by leaps and bounds.
>>
>> At work we were recently reminded that the company is actively
>> looking to fill several positions. Even with the current
>> unemployment figures, finding good qualified people is difficult.
>> The challenge is that the good qualified people out there already
>> have a job.
>
> Yes, I do :-p
"maybe."
>> I've work in both monolithic and mixed environments. Despite some of
>> the pain, a mixed environment is more interesting overall to me.
>
> It absolutely is. I've been talking in the past about getting a
> GNU/Linux only job, but in the end I don't think that's what I want.
> At work we now have a nice mix of Windows, OSX and Free *nixes like
> GNU/Linux and FreeBSD. Works well for me.
clients/customers are. The software we write is for big companies with
gigantic amounts of data. We're much more likely to encounter a machine with
several dozen processor cores than a Windows-XP machine. So while we do run
on Windows it's relatively low on the priority list.
Chris Ahlstrom
Feb 12, 2012, 10:06:03 AM2/12/12
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TomB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> On 2012-02-11, the following emerged from the brain of Ezekiel:
>> "TomB" <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> "TomB" <tommy.b...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> It's also good to know just for the sake of knowledge for someone
>> who is interested in this sort of thing. My personal motivation for
>> learning has never been for getting a better job or more pay even if
>> it eventually leads to it.
>
> Same for me. I just like to know stuff. The fact that knowing that
> stuff got me in a better position on the job market is just a nice
> side effect :-)
>
> So yes, in my spare time I like to tinker with Windows too. Just to
> learn what makes it tick. But all my personal "work" is done on
> GNU/Linux, because that's the OS I like most and feel most at ease
> with when doing "stuff".
>
>> who is interested in this sort of thing. My personal motivation for
>> learning has never been for getting a better job or more pay even if
>> it eventually leads to it.
>
> Same for me. I just like to know stuff. The fact that knowing that
> stuff got me in a better position on the job market is just a nice
> side effect :-)
>
> So yes, in my spare time I like to tinker with Windows too. Just to
> learn what makes it tick. But all my personal "work" is done on
> GNU/Linux, because that's the OS I like most and feel most at ease
> with when doing "stuff".
>
>> I've work in both monolithic and mixed environments. Despite some of
>> the pain, a mixed environment is more interesting overall to me.
>
> It absolutely is. I've been talking in the past about getting a
> GNU/Linux only job, but in the end I don't think that's what I want.
> At work we now have a nice mix of Windows, OSX and Free *nixes like
> GNU/Linux and FreeBSD. Works well for me.
Nice to see Zeke is back on his meds.
>> the pain, a mixed environment is more interesting overall to me.
>
> It absolutely is. I've been talking in the past about getting a
> GNU/Linux only job, but in the end I don't think that's what I want.
> At work we now have a nice mix of Windows, OSX and Free *nixes like
> GNU/Linux and FreeBSD. Works well for me.
--
You're not being fair. The "advocates" simply don't understand any of
the issues. They think ANY criticism of the current "status of Linux of
the day" is being a Wintroll rather than wanting to see it improve and
become attractive to more and more users. It's like they want it to stay
rubbish so they can use it as their own private playground.
-- "Hadron" <ii6oio$vrr$2...@news.eternal-september.org>
GreyCloud
Feb 12, 2012, 12:43:45 PM2/12/12
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oses to see how they perform and do things.
Tho I have one complaint about gcc in regards to flagging errors.
Sometimes the errors can be vague or just out to lunch...
struct {
float a, b;
}
struct {
int i, j;
};
And you get more than one data type defined error in the second struct.
When it should have pointed to the more simpler missing semicolon error
in the first struct. Haven't had a chance to see how it works in
VS2010, but it is caught using Suns C compiler.
Jeff-Relf.Me
Feb 13, 2012, 6:48:10 AM2/13/12
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When Visual C++ 10 ( VS·2010 ) compiles:
struct { float a, b; } struct { int i, j; };
it says:
« error C2236: unexpected 'struct' '<unnamed-tag>'.
Did you forget a ';' ? »
GreyCloud
Feb 13, 2012, 12:59:18 PM2/13/12
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Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> 
>
> When Visual C++ 10 ( VS·2010 ) compiles:
> Did you forget a ';' ? »
I've tested that and yes it does say that. gcc won't.
Bug? Or a vague error message?
--
What's the definition of a will? (It's a dead giveaway).
> 
>
> When Visual C++ 10 ( VS·2010 ) compiles:
>
> struct { float a, b; } struct { int i, j; };
>
> it says:
> « error C2236: unexpected 'struct' '<unnamed-tag>'.
> struct { float a, b; } struct { int i, j; };
>
> it says:
> Did you forget a ';' ? »
I've tested that and yes it does say that. gcc won't.
Bug? Or a vague error message?
--
What's the definition of a will? (It's a dead giveaway).
cc
Feb 13, 2012, 3:52:06 PM2/13/12
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On Feb 13, 12:59 pm, GreyCloud <m...@cumulus.com> wrote:
> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> > 
>
> > When Visual C++ 10 ( VS·2010 ) compiles:
>
> > struct { float a, b; } struct { int i, j; };
>
> > it says:
> > « error C2236: unexpected 'struct' '<unnamed-tag>'.
> > Did you forget a ';' ? »
>
> I've tested that and yes it does say that. gcc won't.
> Bug? Or a vague error message?
>
It's not a bug in the sense that gcc didn't compile the incorrect code
> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> > 
>
> > When Visual C++ 10 ( VS·2010 ) compiles:
>
> > struct { float a, b; } struct { int i, j; };
>
> > it says:
> > « error C2236: unexpected 'struct' '<unnamed-tag>'.
> > Did you forget a ';' ? »
>
> I've tested that and yes it does say that. gcc won't.
> Bug? Or a vague error message?
>
and issued a diagnostic, which is all that's required by the standard.
--
"what is the harm in, say, letting two 80 year old siblings have sex
if they want?" - Snit
GreyCloud
Feb 13, 2012, 5:25:38 PM2/13/12
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cc wrote:
> On Feb 13, 12:59 pm, GreyCloud <m...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>>> 
>>> When Visual C++ 10 ( VS·2010 ) compiles:
>>> struct { float a, b; } struct { int i, j; };
>>> it says:
>>> « error C2236: unexpected 'struct' '<unnamed-tag>'.
>>> Did you forget a ';' ? »
>> I've tested that and yes it does say that. gcc won't.
>> Bug? Or a vague error message?
>>
>
> It's not a bug in the sense that gcc didn't compile the incorrect code
> and issued a diagnostic, which is all that's required by the standard.
>
That may be, but the error message is quite cryptic.
> On Feb 13, 12:59 pm, GreyCloud <m...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>>> 
>>> When Visual C++ 10 ( VS·2010 ) compiles:
>>> struct { float a, b; } struct { int i, j; };
>>> it says:
>>> « error C2236: unexpected 'struct' '<unnamed-tag>'.
>>> Did you forget a ';' ? »
>> I've tested that and yes it does say that. gcc won't.
>> Bug? Or a vague error message?
>>
>
> It's not a bug in the sense that gcc didn't compile the incorrect code
> and issued a diagnostic, which is all that's required by the standard.
>
In reality, the compiler should have issued "Missing Semicolon", like
SunPro compiler does.
cc
Feb 15, 2012, 8:49:21 AM2/15/12
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issue a warning every time you compile, "Warning: your code may or may
not have a constraint violation" and it would still conform to the
GreyCloud
Feb 15, 2012, 12:47:05 PM2/15/12
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cc wrote:
> On Feb 13, 5:25 pm, GreyCloud <m...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>> cc wrote:
>>> On Feb 13, 12:59 pm, GreyCloud <m...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>>> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> When Visual C++ 10 ( VS·2010 ) compiles:
>>>>> struct { float a, b; } struct { int i, j; };
>>>>> it says:
>>>>> « error C2236: unexpected 'struct' '<unnamed-tag>'.
>>>>> Did you forget a ';' ? »
>>>> I've tested that and yes it does say that. gcc won't.
>>>> Bug? Or a vague error message?
>>> It's not a bug in the sense that gcc didn't compile the incorrect code
>>> and issued a diagnostic, which is all that's required by the standard.
>> That may be, but the error message is quite cryptic.
>> In reality, the compiler should have issued "Missing Semicolon", like
>> SunPro compiler does.
>>
>
> Unfortunately that's one of the problems with the standard. gcc could
> issue a warning every time you compile, "Warning: your code may or may
> not have a constraint violation" and it would still conform to the
> standard.
>
It is a minor problem. But sometimes the simplest omission can cause
> On Feb 13, 5:25 pm, GreyCloud <m...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>> cc wrote:
>>> On Feb 13, 12:59 pm, GreyCloud <m...@cumulus.com> wrote:
>>>> Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> When Visual C++ 10 ( VS·2010 ) compiles:
>>>>> struct { float a, b; } struct { int i, j; };
>>>>> it says:
>>>>> « error C2236: unexpected 'struct' '<unnamed-tag>'.
>>>>> Did you forget a ';' ? »
>>>> I've tested that and yes it does say that. gcc won't.
>>>> Bug? Or a vague error message?
>>> It's not a bug in the sense that gcc didn't compile the incorrect code
>>> and issued a diagnostic, which is all that's required by the standard.
>> That may be, but the error message is quite cryptic.
>> In reality, the compiler should have issued "Missing Semicolon", like
>> SunPro compiler does.
>>
>
> Unfortunately that's one of the problems with the standard. gcc could
> issue a warning every time you compile, "Warning: your code may or may
> not have a constraint violation" and it would still conform to the
> standard.
>
the most cryptic error. That's why I keep a few operating systems with
their associated compilers around to check things out.
--
He had a photographic memory which was never developed.
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