[News] Ubuntu sees no reason to remove MONO
Marti van Lin
<quote>
The Mono discussion may be tiring, but the fact of the matter is that
thanks to this discussion, various major Linux distributions are now
making official statements detailing their position in the Mono/C#
debate. The latest to do this is Ubuntu, which reiterated their position
yesterday.
</quote>
http://www.osnews.com/story/21761/Ubuntu_Sees_No_Reason_To_Remove_Mono_from_Default_Install
Ah, I'm having a Fedore 11 install fest this weekend ;-)
Bye Ubuntu!
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Logan Rathbone
> [snip]
>
> Ah, I'm having a Fedore 11 install fest this weekend ;-)
>
> Bye Ubuntu!
Hmm, ::insert some quip about correlation vs. causation here::, but I
wonder if this whole ordeal has anything to do with Fedora overtaking
Ubuntu as 1st place distro on distrowatch (for last 30 and last 7 days)...
Marti van Lin
> On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:38:41 +0200, Marti van Lin wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>> Bye Ubuntu!
>
> Hmm, ::insert some quip about correlation vs. causation here::
Why? the Mono treat has been discussed over and over again lately in
COLA. The same counts for the Ubuntu forums and idea storm. At last
Ubuntu made a clear statement on their point of view regarding Mono and
I for one disagree with that point of view, so it's time for me to go
and leave Ubuntu for what it is.
> but I wonder if this whole ordeal has anything to do with Fedora overtaking
> Ubuntu as 1st place distro on distrowatch (for last 30 and last 7 days)...
Fedora is currently #2 on Distrowatch. Fedora also made a clear
statement about Mono, which is a very good reason for me to jump the
Ubuntu ship an jump on the Fedora bandwagon.
I will need some time to get used to it (repositories and stuff). I
haven't seriously worked with a RPM based distro for at least 3 years
(IIRC). But it's worth the effort.
And indeed, I /guess/ the official statements about Mono are the reason,
many are moving to Fedora.
Cheers
Hans Lister
Fedora is unstable without Mono.
It will be interesting to see how bad it gets when they rip mono
out of every nook and cranny.
FWIW I could care less about mono one way or the other.
I want applications that work and don't care where they come
from.
Ben
> Ubuntu sees nor reason to remove MONO from default install
>
> <quote>
>
> The Mono discussion may be tiring, but the fact of the matter is that
> thanks to this discussion, various major Linux distributions are now
> making official statements detailing their position in the Mono/C#
> debate. The latest to do this is Ubuntu, which reiterated their position
> yesterday.
>
> </quote>
>
> http://www.osnews.com/story/21761/Ubuntu_Sees_No_Reason_To_Remove_Mono_from_Default_Install
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ksez4q
>
> Ah, I'm having a Fedore 11 install fest this weekend ;-)
>
> Bye Ubuntu!
>
As a whole I really like Ubuntu. I use it as my main desktop OS. But
with things like this I might slowly change that attitude...
Clogwog
news:xvx9xia3zexg.1retvkznowpdl$.dlg@40tude.net...
Yes, good point!, most people don't give a flying fuck about this so called
Mono discussion. This is just another attempt from Marti to suck up to his
master & hero Schestowitz.
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Ben
>
> Yes, good point!, most people don't give a flying fuck about this so
> called Mono discussion. This is just another attempt from Marti to suck
> up to his master & hero Schestowitz.
> --
> Fat fuck Stallman's lunch was nice, triple bacon cheeseburger, monster
> fries, and a Big Gulp, *toe* *jam* for dessert. Meet this pig on:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
>
Nommy. Totally discrete.
High Plains Thumper
For now, I'll keep mono and mono apps uninstalled in Ubuntu, an
easy do in Synaptic. When it becomes unmanageable, then it will
be time to move on.
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> Ubuntu sees nor reason to remove MONO from default install
>
><quote>
>
> The Mono discussion may be tiring, but the fact of the matter is that
> thanks to this discussion, various major Linux distributions are now
> making official statements detailing their position in the Mono/C#
> debate. The latest to do this is Ubuntu, which reiterated their position
> yesterday.
>
></quote>
Until Mono gets a "killer app" it's all kind of moot.
This goes back to my previous point about "what's the point".
Mono exists because some guy is fixated on Microsoft. That fixation so far
hasn't yielded anything interesting. The troll brought up OpenGL and that
is a good thing to use to put things into perspective. OpenGL enables a
lot of interesting do-dads and just plain allows you to run various high
caliber commercial Unix apps that are 10 or more years old.
Mono just seems to have one highly redundant little applet.
[deletia]
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rather create a DVD using those Linux apps we're told don't exist.
Ben
Same here. But it looks like it could be slowly becoming "unmanageable".
Mono is slowly pushing its way more and more into GNOME apps and it's a
nightmare.
It seems that when Debian let mono in for TomTom, it opened a pandora's
box for mono to start pervading through the distro, and the distros
based on it. It seems like letting it in for one app pretty much
/encouraged/ its use.
Mart van de Wege
Four apps.
And most of them not even popular and having non-mono alternatives.
Mart
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--- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
Marti van Lin
And the same here. I have Jaunty (with Mono stripped) and mononono
installed on my laptop. On my Dell Optiplex GX240 I installed Fedora 10
with KDE 4.2.4 today and I don't regret it.
I didn't seriously work with a RPM based distro, for a couple of years.
However using Yum it was half as complicated as I expected.
Kubuntu of course is also an interesting option. I'm not sure if it
includes Mono.
Cheers
Jerry McBride
> Ubuntu sees nor reason to remove MONO from default install
>
> <quote>
>
> The Mono discussion may be tiring, but the fact of the matter is that
> thanks to this discussion, various major Linux distributions are now
> making official statements detailing their position in the Mono/C#
> debate. The latest to do this is Ubuntu, which reiterated their position
> yesterday.
>
> </quote>
>
>
http://www.osnews.com/story/21761/Ubuntu_Sees_No_Reason_To_Remove_Mono_from_Default_Install
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ksez4q
>
> Ah, I'm having a Fedore 11 install fest this weekend ;-)
>
> Bye Ubuntu!
>
No problem. Even though "upstream" is tainted with microsoft/mono.... those
of us know how to un-install "the beast".
Death to mono... Death to wine...
it's as easy as "delete"...
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Llanzlan Klazmon
> > Same here. But it looks like it could be slowly becoming
> > "unmanageable". Mono is slowly pushing its way more and more into
> > GNOME apps and it's a nightmare.
>
> Four apps.
>
> And most of them not even popular and having non-mono alternatives.
>
> Mart
>
> --
> "We will need a longer wall when the revolution comes."
> --- AJS, quoting an uncertain source.
The only one that I use is banshee which I switched to since amarok v2
is a total joke.
Ben
I like Exaile apart from the fact that the GUI is clunky and fugly. And
the fact it's written in Python. I hate Python.
7
> Ubuntu sees nor reason to remove MONO from default install
>
> <quote>
>
> The Mono discussion may be tiring, but the fact of the matter is that
> thanks to this discussion, various major Linux distributions are now
> making official statements detailing their position in the Mono/C#
> debate. The latest to do this is Ubuntu, which reiterated their position
> yesterday.
This is (a non exaustive) list of what canonical has been suckered into
paying for developers so far to be written for micoshaft's mono to get it
inside ubuntu:
libmono
libmono1.0-cil
libmono2.0-cil
libmono-accessibity1.0-cil
libmono-accessibity2.0-cil
libmono-addins0.2-cil
libmono-addins-gui0.2-cli
libmono-cairo1.0-cil
libmono-corlib1.0-cil
libmono-corlib2.0-cil
libmono-data-tds1.0-cil
libmono-data-tds2.0-cil
libmono-dev
libmono-mozilla0.1-cil
libmono-peapi1.0-cil
libmono-peapi2.0-cil
libmono-security1.0-cil Sheesh! Give me break!
libmono-security2.0-cil Sheesh! Give me break!
libmono-sharpzip0.84-cil
libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil
libmono-sqllite2.0-cil
libmono-system1.0-cil
libmono-system-data1.0-cil
libmono-system-data2.0-cil
libmono-system-runtime1.0-cil
libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil
libmono-system-web1.0-cil
libmono-system-web2.0-cil
libmono-winforms1.0-cil
libmono-winforms2.0-cil
mono-1.0-devel
mono-2.0-devel
mono-common
mono-debug Yeah right!
monodoc
monodoc-base
monodoc-browser
monodoc-manual
mono-gac
mono-gmcs
mono-jay
mono-jit
mono-jit-dbg
mono-mcs
mono-runtime The first thing to be targetted by a micoshaft lawsuit
mono-utils
In my mind, canonical has been suckered into paying for building a mono
infrastructure and mono code at great expense instead of faster C and C++
programs useable by the wider developer community. This is the purpose of
mono! And it seems to be draining a lot of money out of canonical
successfully!
Every time micoshaft says jump, the mono paid for developers get paid
at great expense to canonical to rebuild ALL that vendor lock in
crapware above.
If I were canonical, I would see spending money on all that crap
as an expensive waste. Change the status for all this crap as third party
software instead of ubuntu software, and spend all the money on
Desktop Linux, and re-useable C and C++ code instead of mono code.
C and C++ is also more easier to debug than mono code. Mono coders
wastes a lot of developer time trying to make stuff work and debug
so they are not at all productive or competitive compared to general
purpose C/C++ coders. And mono coders make slow software compared
to C/C++ coders because they are trying to satisfy Redmond
and their demands first, open source and free software demands second.
> </quote>
>
> http://www.osnews.com/story/21761
Ben
It's not like Canonical makes much profit, /anyway/, but yeah I know
what your point is.
We already have Java for a portable managed language, which poses no
long-term threat to Linux et al., and is actually friendly to the aims
of Linux in nearly all cases. Why do we need C#/.NET?
7
And every time micoshaft changes the rule book, its what happens
when you don't jump that is more interesting (to micoshaft).
If Linux software has been accepted into an establishment on the back
of mono crap, and canonoical didn't change the software because micoshaft
marketing plops knows canonical don't have the money or the technical
consent to do something stupid like intruduce an obvious security
vuln, micoshaft will step in there into those corporate
seats with their crap and sell it against Linux as 'working code'.
The stupidity of mono and micoshaft funded crap will never end until it is
removed from mainstream code.
Linux kernel developers learned that a long time ago.
If something is stupid, then remove it immediately and wait patiently
for its open source and GPL'd replacement.
Don't operate on the priciple that someone holding
a gun to head is a manageable risk. It isn't manageable if
micoshaft marketing plops are involved. They will pull that trigger
to make a quick buck. It happened with Java, it happened with FAT,
and it will happen with mono and every idiot developer conned into
using it.
If you write your applications in C/C++, you can wait years
before you need to change it. And even then, it will be absolute minimal
changes. Unlike mono crap which will all depend on micosahft and its
published and unpublished APIs influencing mono developers no end.
Hans Lister
> Marti van Lin wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu sees nor reason to remove MONO from default install
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>> The Mono discussion may be tiring, but the fact of the matter is that
>> thanks to this discussion, various major Linux distributions are now
>> making official statements detailing their position in the Mono/C#
>> debate. The latest to do this is Ubuntu, which reiterated their position
>> yesterday.
>>
>> </quote>
>>
>>
> http://www.osnews.com/story/21761/Ubuntu_Sees_No_Reason_To_Remove_Mono_from_Default_Install
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ksez4q
>>
>> Ah, I'm having a Fedore 11 install fest this weekend ;-)
>>
>> Bye Ubuntu!
>>
>
> No problem. Even though "upstream" is tainted with microsoft/mono.... those
> of us know how to un-install "the beast".
>
> Death to mono... Death to wine...
>
> it's as easy as "delete"...
I'd chime in with "death to Linux" but I just checked and it
appears dead already.
Sorry I missed the party.
Mart van de Wege
I am coming to like gmusicbrowser.
Although I disagree with the way it implements various things which
could have better been implemented by using standard modules, it is
written in otherwise fairly clean Perl.
Logan Rathbone
>
> [snip]
>
> I'd chime in with "death to Linux" but I just checked and it
> appears dead already.
>
> Sorry I missed the party.
And, yet, here you are, actively discussing it on COLA. Hmm...
Logan Rathbone
Agreed. It's unfortunate that KDE4 has turned once great apps into
steaming piles of shit. It's getting better, but c'mon, 4.3 is approach
folks... at 4.0, it was excusable but now... I like to think 3.3 was
*much* more mature than 4.3 could ever hope to be.
Personally I still use XMMS1 for music, because I simply haven't found
anything worthy to replace it with.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
He has to. In spite of Linux actually being almost omnipresent (even if
hidden in consumer devices and server rooms).
At Barnes and Nobles, you should see the number of Linux magazines. Six or
seven. Used to be two or three. /Somebody/ is buying those magazines and
their Linux-installation DVDs.
--
When angry, count four; when very angry, swear.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Jul 3, 5:32�am, Mart van de Wege <mvdw...@mail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Same here. But it looks like it could be slowly becoming
>> > "unmanageable". Mono is slowly pushing its way more and more into
>> > GNOME apps and it's a nightmare.
>>
> The only one that I use is banshee which I switched to since amarok v2
> is a total joke.
I prefer mpd. Wide choice of clients, runs unobtrusively as a daemon.
Only rarely do I build playlists ... I spend most of my time listening.
--
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Andrew Halliwell
> Same here. But it looks like it could be slowly becoming "unmanageable".
> Mono is slowly pushing its way more and more into GNOME apps and it's a
> nightmare.
When gnome becomes unusable, there's always xubuntu or kubuntu.
No need to TOTALLY switch distros, just abandon gnome.
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Hans Lister
People are still discussing Abe Lincoln.
Your point?
Hans Lister
> Ben <beno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Same here. But it looks like it could be slowly becoming "unmanageable".
>> Mono is slowly pushing its way more and more into GNOME apps and it's a
>> nightmare.
>
> When gnome becomes unusable, there's always xubuntu or kubuntu.
> No need to TOTALLY switch distros, just abandon gnome.
When?
Gnome sucks right from the minute it's installed.
So does KDE 4.x.
Try Fluxbox.
Ben
> Ben <beno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Same here. But it looks like it could be slowly becoming "unmanageable".
>> Mono is slowly pushing its way more and more into GNOME apps and it's a
>> nightmare.
>
> When gnome becomes unusable, there's always xubuntu or kubuntu.
> No need to TOTALLY switch distros, just abandon gnome.
KDE 4 is usable?
RonB
Actions speak louder than words. Flatline---'s fake anti-Linux bravado
is betrayed by the p*** running down his legs.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
Hans Lister
KDE 4 is terrible.
The menu system slows down navigation and it's a huge resource
hog.
The 3.x series was much better IMHO.
Peter Köhlmann
Shows how much you have used it: None at all
The menu system is much clearer, it actually uses *less* resources than
KDE3 and it is a lot faster than KDE3, due to its using QT4
--
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the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
Logan Rathbone
> [snip]
> The menu system is much clearer, it actually uses *less* resources than
> KDE3 and it is a lot faster than KDE3, due to its using QT4
So they say.
For me, it's much, *much* slower. To the point of being unusable. With
or without desktop effects.
Which is a shame, because plain-jane Qt4 is *really* nice. I'm writing
an app with it now and I'm really happy with it. designer4 isn't quite
as nice as designer3, but otherwise it's great.
Ben
That's what happens when you try to look like Vista.
Hans Lister
> The racist, liar and software thief Gary Stewart (flatfish) nymshifted:
>
>> On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:13:17 +0100, Ben wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>>>> Ben <beno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Same here. But it looks like it could be slowly becoming
>>>>> "unmanageable". Mono is slowly pushing its way more and more into
>>>>> GNOME apps and it's a nightmare.
>>>>
>>>> When gnome becomes unusable, there's always xubuntu or kubuntu.
>>>> No need to TOTALLY switch distros, just abandon gnome.
>>>
>>> KDE 4 is usable?
>>
>> KDE 4 is terrible.
>> The menu system slows down navigation and it's a huge resource
>> hog.
>> The 3.x series was much better IMHO.
>
> Shows how much you have used it: None at all
>
> The menu system is much clearer, it actually uses *less* resources than
> KDE3 and it is a lot faster than KDE3, due to its using QT4
Says you.
Hans Lister
KDE 4 is slow, buggy and the sliding menu crap makes it more
difficult to navigate.
Peter Köhlmann
Right. I am using it. NOW
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Logan Rathbone
> [snip]
> Right. I am using it. NOW
Can you share your specs, Peter? Including the X driver you're using?
I'm actually *really* curious to see what kind of computer KDE4 runs
well on.
Peter Köhlmann
I actually don't believe you
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Hans Lister
> Hans Lister wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:52:36 +0200, Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>
>>> The racist, liar and software thief Gary Stewart (flatfish) nymshifted:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:13:17 +0100, Ben wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>>>>>> Ben <beno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Same here. But it looks like it could be slowly becoming
>>>>>>> "unmanageable". Mono is slowly pushing its way more and more into
>>>>>>> GNOME apps and it's a nightmare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When gnome becomes unusable, there's always xubuntu or kubuntu.
>>>>>> No need to TOTALLY switch distros, just abandon gnome.
>>>>>
>>>>> KDE 4 is usable?
>>>>
>>>> KDE 4 is terrible.
>>>> The menu system slows down navigation and it's a huge resource
>>>> hog.
>>>> The 3.x series was much better IMHO.
>>>
>>> Shows how much you have used it: None at all
>>>
>>> The menu system is much clearer, it actually uses *less* resources than
>>> KDE3 and it is a lot faster than KDE3, due to its using QT4
>>
>> Says you.
>
> Right. I am using it. NOW
All the more reason for folks not to.
Hans Lister
> Logan Rathbone wrote:
>
>> Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> Right. I am using it. NOW
>>
>> Can you share your specs, Peter? Including the X driver you're using?
>>
>> I'm actually *really* curious to see what kind of computer KDE4 runs
>> well on.
>
> I actually don't believe you
Kohlmann has been rope-a-doped.
See him run.
Logan Rathbone
> Logan Rathbone wrote:
>
>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> Right. I am using it. NOW
>> Can you share your specs, Peter? Including the X driver you're using?
>>
>> I'm actually *really* curious to see what kind of computer KDE4 runs
>> well on.
>
> I actually don't believe you
So is that a "no"? You can't share your specs?
OK, whatever. I'm just trying to understand what kind of hardware KDE4
expects you to have to run well, that's all.
Peter Köhlmann
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> Logan Rathbone wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>> Right. I am using it. NOW
>>> Can you share your specs, Peter? Including the X driver you're using?
>>>
>>> I'm actually *really* curious to see what kind of computer KDE4 runs
>>> well on.
>>
>> I actually don't believe you
>
> So is that a "no"? You can't share your specs?
I can. I simply won't
> OK, whatever. I'm just trying to understand what kind of hardware KDE4
> expects you to have to run well, that's all.
Actually, I think you are Hadron Snot Quark nymshifted
And that guy I would not piss on if he were on fire
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Tim Smith
Ben <beno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We already have Java for a portable managed language, which poses no
> long-term threat to Linux et al., and is actually friendly to the aims
> of Linux in nearly all cases. Why do we need C#/.NET?
Some people don't want to write portable programs. They want to write
Linux programs. Java tries as hard as it can to make that hard. Mono
tries to make it easy.
--
--Tim Smith
Hans Lister
> Logan Rathbone wrote:
>
>> Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>> Logan Rathbone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Peter K�hlmann wrote:
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>> Right. I am using it. NOW
>>>> Can you share your specs, Peter? Including the X driver you're using?
>>>>
>>>> I'm actually *really* curious to see what kind of computer KDE4 runs
>>>> well on.
>>>
>>> I actually don't believe you
>>
>> So is that a "no"? You can't share your specs?
>
> I can. I simply won't
>
>> OK, whatever. I'm just trying to understand what kind of hardware KDE4
>> expects you to have to run well, that's all.
>
> Actually, I think you are Hadron Snot Quark nymshifted
>
> And that guy I would not piss on if he were on fire
You've been Rope-A-Doped Coalman.....
You always pull that "I don't have to prove anything" crap when
you get caught in your web of deceit.
Now trundle along to Google and search for someone elses system
specs so you can save face.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Logan Rathbone wrote:
>
> Actually, I think you are Hadron Snot Quark nymshifted
>
> And that guy I would not piss on if he were on fire
Interesting. Chrisv is sniffing at "Ben", and you are sniffing at
"Logan Rathbone".
No matter. I wonder if Logan is this guy:
http://wareseeker.com/publisher/logan-rathbone/184888/
He certainly seems involved with KDE.
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <h2jgvp$dgo$3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
You okay Tim? Can I feel your forehead?
Didn't, like, Java originate with a UNIX company?
Didn't, like, Mono originate with some Linux guys wanting to adopt Microsoft
technology?
Or are you saying, like this fellow:
http://ometer.com/desktop-language.html
Cloning .NET on Linux may speed up adoption of Microsoft's technology,
handing them the Internet on a silver platter. Speeding up the
competition's success is not the way to catch up with them. Fear of this
is widespread.
Aren't there more cross-platform Java apps than cross-platform C# apps?
(I'm leaving .NET out of it).
--
You will be misunderstood by everyone.
Logan Rathbone
> [personal attacks snipped]
>
> Now trundle along to Google and search for someone elses system specs so
> you can save face.
I will, thanks.
Peter: you are a free and autonomous person; you don't have to show me
anything you don't want to show me. I was just surprised at such a
reaction. I've been trying for ages to find out what kind of system KDE4
requires. There are no official system requirements on the KDE website
afaict (please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).
It was not intended to be interpreted as hostility or antagonism towards
you. Believe me or not. Just understand that just because I have a
fairly strong opinion against KDE4 *specifically*, doesn't mean I'm
trying to attack *Linux* from every angle at every chance I get. I just
had a question, and you're taking its implications *way* beyond what I
intended them to be.
So let's just drop it.
Logan Rathbone
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter Köhlmann belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Logan Rathbone wrote:
>>
>> Actually, I think you are Hadron Snot Quark nymshifted
>>
>> And that guy I would not piss on if he were on fire
>
> Interesting. Chrisv is sniffing at "Ben", and you are sniffing at
> "Logan Rathbone".
>
> No matter. I wonder if Logan is this guy:
>
> http://wareseeker.com/publisher/logan-rathbone/184888/
>
> He certainly seems involved with KDE.
Yep... I wrote some Qt3/KDE3 software that was to be bundled with a
distro that never got off the ground. I really loved KDE3, and I should
probably be more supportive of KDE4, but the fact that I loved 3 so much
has only made me *more* hostile towards 4... I'll try to tone it down
from now on ;-)
I still like Qt4 quite a bit, and am currently working on writing some
software with it.
Hans Lister
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> In article <h2jgvp$dgo$3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Ben <beno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> We already have Java for a portable managed language, which poses no
>>> long-term threat to Linux et al., and is actually friendly to the aims
>>> of Linux in nearly all cases. Why do we need C#/.NET?
>>
>> Some people don't want to write portable programs. They want to write
>> Linux programs. Java tries as hard as it can to make that hard. Mono
>> tries to make it easy.
>
> You okay Tim? Can I feel your forehead?
Roy Schestowitz is gone for a day and already you are looking
for another main squeeze....
Have you no loyalty MiniWitz?
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:58:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Peter K�hlmann belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Logan Rathbone wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually, I think you are Hadron Snot Quark nymshifted
>>>
>>> And that guy I would not piss on if he were on fire
>>
>> Interesting. Chrisv is sniffing at "Ben", and you are sniffing at
>> "Logan Rathbone".
>>
>> No matter. I wonder if Logan is this guy:
>>
>> http://wareseeker.com/publisher/logan-rathbone/184888/
>>
>> He certainly seems involved with KDE.
>
> Yep... I wrote some Qt3/KDE3 software that was to be bundled with a
> distro that never got off the ground. I really loved KDE3, and I should
> probably be more supportive of KDE4, but the fact that I loved 3 so much
> has only made me *more* hostile towards 4... I'll try to tone it down
> from now on ;-)
>
> I still like Qt4 quite a bit, and am currently working on writing some
> software with it.
Lots of people get disgruntled when a good project gets "refactored".
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A: When his lips move.
Tim Smith
Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
> Aren't there more cross-platform Java apps than cross-platform C# apps?
> (I'm leaving .NET out of it).
As I said, sometimes a developer wants to write a *Linux* program, not a
cross-platform program. Sun does not want that to happen in Java.
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--Tim Smith
Marti van Lin
Well this might be interesting/surprising, I'm running Fedora 10 with
KDE 4.2.4 on it.
http://ml2mst.googlepages.com/lshw.html
HTH
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Mart van de Wege
How about proving that assertion?
Mart
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Tony Manco
Wow, nice tool lshw is, never heard of it before until now :-P
Thanks
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things,but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they
install Windows.
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Ben
That's only getting started...
Tony Manco
Yeah, I also tested the CLI version only.
> I used it for bugreports (Ubuntu).
>
> Just fired up the GUI version, gives even more detailed information ;-)
>
>> Thanks
>
> My pleasure :-)
>
:-)
Logan Rathbone
> Tony Manco wrote:
>> [snip]
>> Wow, nice tool lshw is, never heard of it before until now :-P
>
> I usually use the commandline version, the report was created with it:
> lshw -html > lshw.html.
>
Wow, I didn't know about that feature of lshw either. Thanks!
In terms of your specs, I think the main *major* difference between my
hardware and yours is that you've got an NVidia card running the closed-
source 'nvidia' driver and I've got an ATI Radeon running the open-source
'radeon' driver.
FWIW, I tested the latest 'testing' version of KDE for my distro, and
4.3rc1 runs *much* better on my machine than 4.0-4.2 did, but still not
up to par with KDE3.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <%7u3m.18445$Xw4....@bignews7.bellsouth.net>,
I'll bet you can write a linux-only (or windows-only) application in just
about /any/ language.
--
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-- Shakespeare
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
>>> Wow, nice tool lshw is, never heard of it before until now :-P
Also check out lsusb, lspci, lslk, and even lswm ;->
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Ben
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tony Manco belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>>>> Wow, nice tool lshw is, never heard of it before until now :-P
>
> Also check out lsusb, lspci, lslk, and even lswm ;->
>
lswm? Who connects wiimotes to their computer? I mean seriously.
Tony Manco
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tony Manco belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>>>> Wow, nice tool lshw is, never heard of it before until now :-P
>
> Also check out lsusb, lspci, lslk, and even lswm ;->
>
lsusb -> I know about it
lspci, -> I know about this one too
lslk -> Never heard of it, will try ASAP
lswm -> Never heard of this one either.
Thanks :-)
Ben
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tony Manco belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>>>> Wow, nice tool lshw is, never heard of it before until now :-P
>> Also check out lsusb, lspci, lslk, and even lswm ;->
>>
>
> lsusb -> I know about it
> lspci, -> I know about this one too
> lslk -> Never heard of it, will try ASAP
> lswm -> Never heard of this one either.
>
> Thanks :-)
lslk is for local locks. Not usually useful for normal users.
lswm is for connecting to Wiimotes and listing them. Yes, seriously.
RonB
> Wow, nice tool lshw is, never heard of it before until now :-P
>
> Thanks
Seconded.
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RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
RonB
> I usually use the commandline version, the report was created with it:
> lshw -html > lshw.html.
Even better. Thanks.
Hans. Lister
> Marti van Lin wrote:
>
>> I usually use the commandline version, the report was created with it:
>> lshw -html > lshw.html.
>
> Even better. Thanks.
So when is the wedding?
RonB
I don't know. You angling to get you and Zeke invited? Which one of you
will want to catch the bouquet?
Gregory Shearman
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tony Manco belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>>>> Wow, nice tool lshw is, never heard of it before until now :-P
>
> Also check out lsusb, lspci, lslk, and even lswm ;->
gregory@lappy ~ $ lswm
bash: lswm: command not found
gregory@lappy ~ $ whereis lswm
lswm:
gregory@lappy ~ $ eix lswm
No matches found.
gregory@lappy ~ $ lslk
bash: lslk: command not found
gregory@lappy ~ $ whereis lslk
lslk:
gregory@lappy ~ $ eix lslk
No matches found.
gregory@lappy ~ $
Hmmm.... Never heard of them and don't know where to find these tools
I know that lslk list the lockfiles held by the processes on your
machine, but lswm? The only thing I can find out is about wiimotes.
lsusb,lspci and lshw I use all the time.
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William Poaster
of the trolls Gregory Shearman was heard to say:
sudo apt-get install lswm
sudo apt-get install lslk
etc..etc..
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William Poaster
of the trolls RonB was heard to say:
> Hans. Lister wrote:
>> On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:53:40 -0500, RonB wrote:
>>
>>> Marti van Lin wrote:
>>>
>>>> I usually use the commandline version, the report was created with
>>>> it: lshw -html > lshw.html.
>>> Even better. Thanks.
>>
>> So when is the wedding?
>
> I don't know. You angling to get you and Zeke invited? Which one of you
> will want to catch the bouquet?
Fill it with shit & toss it over your shoulder, they'll both be fighting
for it.
Hans. Lister
Try reading the documentation....
JEDIDIAH
> In article <h2jgvp$dgo$3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Ben <beno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> We already have Java for a portable managed language, which poses no
>> long-term threat to Linux et al., and is actually friendly to the aims
>> of Linux in nearly all cases. Why do we need C#/.NET?
>
> Some people don't want to write portable programs. They want to write
> Linux programs. Java tries as hard as it can to make that hard. Mono
> tries to make it easy.
There are applications that Lemmings like to run down as "crap"
because they aren't Microsoft originated variant. These apps are
infact JAVA applications and are not "Linux apps" as such. The
Lemmings don't seem to be aware of this. It's very fascinating
really.
You can whine all you like about Java but the proof is in
the results. Java has produced some results in this area.
Mono just seems to be another way of allowing Lemmings to
snicker and call anything not branded Micrsoft as inferior.
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rather create a DVD using those Linux apps we're told don't exist.