Stallman posted a short piece titled "Why free software shouldn't depend
on Mono and C#" on the FSF website on June 26[1]; many news outlets,
including iTWire, picked up his comments and wrote about them, as they
were made by a man who knows exactly what he is talking about.
But, unlike Stallman and every other person who has commented on the
Mono project recently, Sanjeev developed cold feet soon after he had
posted a poorly written, ungrammatical rant on his own blog, with the
heading "F*** (expletive deleted) you Richard Stallman and other GNU
trolls."[2]
He had proudly advertised himself as a Microsoft intern as well, not the
wisest thing to do in the circumstances. What he didn't specify was that
he has the courage of a chicken. A very little chicken.
The great author has now crawled back to the hole which he normally
occupies and after, first retitling[3] his post "On Mono and the GPL",
has now, in total retreat, deleted it. (His blog itself is titled
Thought Outflux, the latter an archaic word that few use.)
[/quote]
[1] - http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
[2] - http://mono-nono.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/fuckyou_cache.html
[3] - http://mono-nono.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/fuckyou_coverup1.html
More: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26075/1090/
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People say that if you play Microsoft CD's backwards, you hear satanic
things,but that's nothing, because if you play them forwards, they
install Windows.
~Unknown
> [quote]
> The most recent recruit to link hands with De Icaza and Mono advocate Jo
> Shields is an Indian student, Anirudh Sanjeev, who has proudly
> advertised his admission to these ranks by insulting Free Software
> Foundation chief Richard Stallman in the foulest of terms.
Poor baby....
Maybe Stallman will spit some of his toe jam in the direction of
the rat eater.....
You BN guys are a total disgrace to Linux anyhow....
> [quote]
> The most recent recruit to link hands with De Icaza and Mono advocate Jo
> Shields is an Indian student, Anirudh Sanjeev, who has proudly
> advertised his admission to these ranks by insulting Free Software
> Foundation chief Richard Stallman in the foulest of terms.
Linus Torvalds has some "foul" words for Richard Stallman, and vice-versa.
So, I guess I will lump the people that hate RMS in with Linus, and thereby
elevate their importance, eh?
Richard Stallman Proclaims Don't Follow Linus Torvalds
http://slashdot.org/articles/07/09/12/1227220.shtml
Richard has had tantrums over binary blobs used with Linux kernel drivers.
His organization has given awards to people, only to spit on them later,
because of Richard's misunderstandings.
RMS is capable of making enemies left and right. He has driven some people
away from him with his myopic visions, including me.
On the other hand I feel sorry for RMS too. See this for more info:
http://stallman.org/ex-boyfriends-list.html
-George
These people are all nuts IMHO.
Another bit of advice: Richard Stallman will attempt a hostile takeover of
your project, if he doesn't like the direction it's going in.
In one case he tried to overthrow the leadership behind glibc, because he
wanted to kill Linux and promote his HURD project. He will try to discredit
and harm you, if he thinks you are violating his truths.
See: (search for Stallman):
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-announce/2001/msg00000.html
RMS can not be reasoned with, but he is very reactionary, so live and learn.
-George
Oh and BTW each and every one of them has an agenda and is
making money off Linux and OSS......
While the basement boys churn out Linux software and give it
away for free.
Oh well.
Some day the basement dwellers will wise up and realize that
they have not only been taken but that they have wasted a good
portion of their life doing for free what others are
capitalizing on.
Linus, RMS, Shuttleworth, IBM etc are laughing all the way to
the bank.
They really are.
> GPS wrote:
>
>> Tony Manco wrote:
>>
>>> [quote]
>>> The most recent recruit to link hands with De Icaza and Mono advocate Jo
>>> Shields is an Indian student, Anirudh Sanjeev, who has proudly
>>> advertised his admission to these ranks by insulting Free Software
>>> Foundation chief Richard Stallman in the foulest of terms.
>>
>> Linus Torvalds has some "foul" words for Richard Stallman, and vice-versa.
>>
>> So, I guess I will lump the people that hate RMS in with Linus, and
>> thereby elevate their importance, eh?
>>
>> Richard Stallman Proclaims Don't Follow Linus Torvalds
>> http://slashdot.org/articles/07/09/12/1227220.shtml
>>
>> Richard has had tantrums over binary blobs used with Linux kernel drivers.
>>
>> His organization has given awards to people, only to spit on them later,
>> because of Richard's misunderstandings.
>>
>> RMS is capable of making enemies left and right. He has driven some
>> people away from him with his myopic visions, including me.
>>
>> On the other hand I feel sorry for RMS too. See this for more info:
>> http://stallman.org/ex-boyfriends-list.html
>>
>> -George
>
> Another bit of advice: Richard Stallman will attempt a hostile takeover of
> your project, if he doesn't like the direction it's going in.
If he ever got "hostile" with me I would spray him with a strong
solution of soap and water followed by a can of RAID bug spray.
I would then hand him some anti-fungal ointment and suggest he
use it on his feet.
> In one case he tried to overthrow the leadership behind glibc, because he
> wanted to kill Linux and promote his HURD project. He will try to discredit
> and harm you, if he thinks you are violating his truths.
>
> See: (search for Stallman):
> http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-announce/2001/msg00000.html
>
> RMS can not be reasoned with, but he is very reactionary, so live and learn.
>
> -George
He's a nut....
A smart nut, but a nut still the same.
> Linus Torvalds has some "foul" words for Richard Stallman,
> and vice-versa.
Having met both, I can assure that Linus would never use foul language
against RMS. Linus is a kind person, a gentlemen.
Can't say the same thing about Richard. :-)
Still, I admire them both. Being likable is not a requirement for
greatness.
RMS got himself into the problem of not being given proper
recognition.
A typical Linux installation contains about 2500 files. RMS and his
crowd contributed 2,499 of those files.
-Ramon
Microsoft intern eh? Well, he has a lovely tongue on him. Ballmer would
be proud. Then again, Ballmer is just loud and overbearing. Probably has
old-man-smell, too.
Lovely. Open wide!
God bless his soul. If he exists, anyway. Stallman doesn't think so.
>
> -George
>
Yes, yes... We all know the Stallman Is Bad (TM) line of thought. But
let's face it, if it weren't for the GNU project and its license, Linux
wouldn't have been possible in the first place.
That's why I have to remain extremely cynical towards claims about him
being unreasonable and that he's out to make hostile takeovers of your
project if he doesn't like where it's headed.
Bull.
Sorry, but... Bull...
FSF and the gnu boys produced the core utils, some (not all) of the
available shells and some (not all) of the cli utilities and a few of the
editors.
Just because something's released under GPL doesn't make it one of theirs.
If it did then linux the kernel would be.
You're also neglecting to take into account the other licenses used commonly
in linux software including the apache license, openoffice and perl.
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What about that bitter cream which is designed to prevent you from
biting your nails? He could spread it all over his feet.
You still can't deny that Linux as it is today wouldn't be possible
without the GNU Project.
And vice versa.
"Linux" as it is today would also not have been possible without X,
KDE, Gnome, alsa, apache, openssh...
--
Let me take you a button-hole lower.
-- William Shakespeare, "Love's Labour's Lost"
And "residential internet" as it is today would not have been possible
without PCs being common place in the home.
It might be a little behind where it is today. But without GNU, there's
always the BSD toolset.
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| Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf |
The BSD license was released about 5 years before the GPL. The are several
licenses that Linus could have released Linux under - if GNU didn't exist
it would not have prevented Linux from existing.
Anyone who picks dirty skin off his foot and eats it in front of a roomful
of people is a disrespectful, inconsiderate lout, and cannot be insulted.
I remember reading about that repulsive, hostile weirdo Stallman giving the
finger to a Microsoft sign out in public.
> Stallman posted a short piece titled "Why free software shouldn't
> depend on Mono and C#" on the FSF website on June 26[1]; many news
> outlets, including iTWire, picked up his comments and wrote about
> them, as they were made by a man who knows exactly what he is talking
> about.
> [1] - http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
> GPS wrote:
>
>> Another bit of advice: Richard Stallman will attempt a hostile takeover of
>> your project, if he doesn't like the direction it's going in.
>>
>> RMS can not be reasoned with, but he is very reactionary, so live and learn.
>
> Yes, yes... We all know the Stallman Is Bad (TM) line of thought. But
> let's face it, if it weren't for the GNU project and its license, Linux
> wouldn't have been possible in the first place.
>
> That's why I have to remain extremely cynical towards claims about him
> being unreasonable and that he's out to make hostile takeovers of your
> project if he doesn't like where it's headed.
Not to mention the Stallman's own license prevents a hostile takeover.
Hostile fork, sure. Hostile takeover, no way.
No GPS needed to figure out GPS's direction on this one.
--
You're being followed. Cut out the hanky-panky for a few days.
> GPS wrote:
>>
>> On the other hand I feel sorry for RMS too. See this for more info:
>> http://stallman.org/ex-boyfriends-list.html
>
> God bless his soul. If he exists, anyway. Stallman doesn't think so.
I expected to be there alone.
However, amazingly, I then found a sweetheart. So she went there with
me--and she hated the experience.
Sad to say, she is now in my ex-girlfriends list, which means I can
now apply for a place in your ex-boyfriends list.
. . .
I am happy for you, but this is bad news for me. My ex girlfriends
list is pitifully short, mainly because there are so few applicants.
I thought here maybe I would have another applicant, but noooo.
I will put up the conversation in a few days.
I hope people will enjoy it.
Looks like GPS enjoyed it.
--
What I tell you three times is true.
-- Lewis Carroll
Is BSD License copyleft?
That was, admittedly, disgusting. But it's clear from his appearance in
general that he's not exactly in-tune with social graces, or just
doesn't care about them.
>
> I remember reading about that repulsive, hostile weirdo Stallman giving the
> finger to a Microsoft sign out in public.
>
So what?
Define PC in this context though.
Any one of a dozen architectures could just as easily filled the IBM PC
compatible's boots had it not appeared.
Amiga, ST, Apple Mac, hell, even the sincialr QL.
And those all have one thing in common, too... a much BETTER cpu
architecture than the one IBM opted for. Maybe now, things would've been
BETTER without the PC.
Shame there's no way to do a "sliders" and see an alternate reality where
the above was true.
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| Andrew Halliwell BSc | |
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| Computer Science | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice..." |
Thankfully the video is available, or you cola nuts would be whining that
we're lying.
> But it's clear from his appearance
> in general that he's not exactly in-tune with social graces, or just
> doesn't care about them.
From what I've read, he doesn't care about anyone else's opinions or
feelings or livelihoods.
>> I remember reading about that repulsive, hostile weirdo Stallman
>> giving the finger to a Microsoft sign out in public.
>
> So what?
So Stallman isn't being abused by anyone - he gets at least what he
deserves.
> Tony Manco wrote:
>> [quote]
>> The most recent recruit to link hands with De Icaza and Mono advocate
>> Jo Shields is an Indian student, Anirudh Sanjeev, who has proudly
>> advertised his admission to these ranks by insulting Free Software
>> Foundation chief Richard Stallman in the foulest of terms.
>
> Anyone who picks dirty skin off his foot and eats it in front of a roomful
> of people is a disrespectful, inconsiderate lout, and cannot be insulted.
>
> I remember reading about that repulsive, hostile weirdo Stallman giving the
> finger to a Microsoft sign out in public.
The guy is just totally repulsive.
PC as in "personal computer." Some sort of personal computer that would
become common enough with home users that made consumer internet access a
viable business.
> Any one of a dozen architectures could just as easily filled the IBM PC
> compatible's boots had it not appeared.
"Could have" bud didn't.
> Amiga, ST, Apple Mac, hell, even the sincialr QL.
> And those all have one thing in common, too... a much BETTER cpu
> architecture than the one IBM opted for. Maybe now, things would've been
> BETTER without the PC.
I always liked the Motorola 68k line of processors over the Intel 86x line
but then again VHS beat out Betamax. (Yeah.. I know that consumers
preferred the longer recording times.)
> Shame there's no way to do a "sliders" and see an alternate reality where
> the above was true.
We'll never know what "could have" happened but we do know what *did*
happen.
--
--Tim Smith
Tim,
You didn't quote anything, so I don't know who you're addressing. If it's
me, I've not once seen any of my "friends" (Hadron, Moshe, Zeke) fling the
f-word in an abusive manner. I might have seen it said by Zeke in
retaliation for abusive Linux idiots. I might even have done so myself -
again in retaliation - a very, very few times in 17500 posts in the last 5
years.
But lowlife cola "advocates" such as chrisv, (p)Rick, Mart, Tattoo Vampire,
7, AZ Nonad, DuhG Mental, kier, Greg Shearman and others use it repeatedly,
for years. It's like kindergarten when you're dealing with emotionally
unstable Linux "advocates".
The first machine I got on the internet with was an Atari ST.
The notion that the net or even home computing needed IBM kludge clones
is simpleminded post factum argumentation.
[deletia]
The PC just happened to be the "platform that was left standing" after
years of Microsoft abusing the OEM channel. It was a quirk of history that
it was monopolyware product left by the time that the web was developed.
--
My macintosh runs Ubuntu. |||
/ | \
I read the entire article and failed to see the connection between the
Indian student and De Icaza or Jo Shields.
Sam likes to make things up. Anything that will get him more page
view. The more controversial, the more money he makes.
In this article, he did not have to make anything up, all he had to do
was mock a compatriot of him for lacking good English skills (and
lacking taste). So Sam decides to stands up for what is right at the
tune of Bob Marley. High on a mix of righteousness and envy for
another fellow compatriot -a more successful one- he eviscerates him
publicly from his soapbox.
It is a shame that our antique culture of castes continues to flares
up even in this modern day.
>> A typical Linux installation contains about 2500 files. RMS and his
>> crowd contributed 2,499 of those files.
>
> Bull.
> Sorry, but... Bull...
Agreed.
The general lack of proper recognition for the GNU project ("It's just
Linux") certainly needs redress, but the above claim is sheer hyperbole
to the opposite extreme. I assume it was stated to make a point, rather
than be taken literally.
> FSF and the gnu boys produced the core utils, some (not all) of the
> available shells and some (not all) of the cli utilities and a few of
> the editors.
>
> Just because something's released under GPL doesn't make it one of
> theirs. If it did then linux the kernel would be.
I count 338 /actual/ GNU projects. I assume that's the full list.
> You're also neglecting to take into account the other licenses used
> commonly in linux software including the apache license, openoffice
> and perl.
echo "Total Packages: $(rpm -qa | wc -l)"
Total Packages: 1412
echo "Total non-GPL packages: $(expr $(rpm -qa | wc -l) - $(expr $(rpm
-qa --qf "%{LICENSE}\n" | grep -i gpl | wc -l) + $(rpm -qa --qf
"%{LICENSE}\n" | grep -i gfdl | wc -l)))"
Total non-GPL packages: 402
rpm -qa --qf "%{LICENSE}\n" | grep -iv gpl | grep -iv gfdl | sort | uniq
Apacheish
Apache License
Apache Software License
Apache Software License/W3C/Public Domain
Arphic
ASL 1.1
ASL 2.0
Assorted licenses, see /usr/share/doc/netpbm-10.35.48/copyright_summary
BSD
BSD and Copyright only
BSD and ImageMagick
BSD and MIT
BSD-like
BSD Style
BSD with advertising
copyleft
Freely redistributable without restriction
IJG
ImageMagick
Imlib2
Intel Open Source License
ISC
JasPer
JPackage License
Liberation
libtiff
MIT
MIT and BSD
MIT and BSD with advertising
MIT and Lucida and Public Domain
MIT, freely distributable.
MIT-style
MIT/X11
Modifiable & redistributable, with naming restrictions
MPL
mplus and BSD
MPLv1.1
OFL
OpenLDAP
OpenSSL
Public Domain
Python
Python or ZPLv2.0
Python Software Foundation License v2
*Redistributable, no modification permitted*
The Open Group License
Vim
WTFPL
wxWidgets
xinetd
zlib
zlib/libpng
However, little if any of the above can be attributed to the core
operating system, which is provided by both Linux and GNU, all of which
is GPL licensed, and the majority of which is the GNU project.
But the totality of a full distro is certainly not just Linux + GNU.
I was also shocked to discover a non-modifiable package infesting my
system (see above). Further investigation revealed this:
rpm -qa --qf "%{NAME} - %{LICENSE}\n" | grep -i "no modification"
kernel-firmware - GPL+ and GPLv2+ and MIT and Redistributable, no
modification permitted
rpm -q --qf "%{DESCRIPTION}\n" kernel-firmware
Kernel-firmware includes firmware files required for some devices to
operate.
rpm -q --whatrequires kernel-firmware
no package requires kernel-firmware
sudo rpm -e kernel-firmware
Good riddance.
So a word of warning to those using Fedora and RHEL: the kernel package
now pulls in non-Free software as a false dependency. I recommend this
as a possible solution:
http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/
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http://slated.org
.----
| "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which
| the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf
| denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty.
| Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of
| the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today
| among human creatures." ~ Abraham Lincoln
`----
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16:05:39 up 38 days, 20:03, 5 users, load average: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00
No, since it does not protect the Freedom it offers, thus making it
vulnerable to exploitation from those who wish to remove that Freedom.
[quote]
Copyleft is a general method for making a program or other work free,
and requiring all modified and extended versions of the program to be
free as well.
[/quote]
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses
[quote]
Modified BSD license
This is the original BSD license, modified by removal of the
advertising clause. It is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free
software license, compatible with the GNU GPL.
[quote]
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#ModifiedBSD
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which
| the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf
| denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty.
| Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of
| the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today
| among human creatures." ~ Abraham Lincoln
`----
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.26.8-57.fc8
16:25:05 up 38 days, 20:23, 5 users, load average: 0.10, 0.05, 0.01
> [quote]
> The most recent recruit to link hands with De Icaza and Mono advocate Jo
> Shields is an Indian student, Anirudh Sanjeev, who has proudly
> advertised his admission to these ranks by insulting Free Software
> Foundation chief Richard Stallman in the foulest of terms.
>
> Stallman posted a short piece titled "Why free software shouldn't depend
> on Mono and C#" on the FSF website on June 26[1]; many news outlets,
> including iTWire, picked up his comments and wrote about them, as they
> were made by a man who knows exactly what he is talking about.
>
> But, unlike Stallman and every other person who has commented on the
> Mono project recently, Sanjeev developed cold feet soon after he had
> posted a poorly written, ungrammatical rant on his own blog, with the
> heading "F*** (expletive deleted) you Richard Stallman and other GNU
> trolls."[2]
>
> He had proudly advertised himself as a Microsoft intern as well, not the
> wisest thing to do in the circumstances. What he didn't specify was that
> he has the courage of a chicken. A very little chicken.
>
> The great author has now crawled back to the hole which he normally
> occupies and after, first retitling[3] his post "On Mono and the GPL",
> has now, in total retreat, deleted it. (His blog itself is titled
> Thought Outflux, the latter an archaic word that few use.)
> [/quote]
>
> [1] - http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
> [2] - http://mono-nono.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/fuckyou_cache.html
> [3] - http://mono-nono.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/fuckyou_coverup1.html
>
>
> More: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26075/1090/
Will you be "poasting" about how Liarmutt called OSS developers
"Fuckheads" too? Or about Roy's libel and criticism of de Icaza?
No?
Thought not.
--
In view of all the deadly computer viruses that have been spreading
lately, Weekend Update would like to remind you: when you link up to
another computer, you’re linking up to every computer that that
computer has ever linked up to. — Dennis Miller
> Looks like GPS enjoyed it.
[quote]
Well, I'm currently involved with a surgeon in Nashville. In the event
of a romantic catastrophe, would you consider a spot on the Emergency
Reserve Boyfriend list?
[/quote]
LOL!
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K.
http://slated.org
.----
| "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which
| the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf
| denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty.
| Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of
| the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today
| among human creatures." ~ Abraham Lincoln
`----
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.26.8-57.fc8
16:35:17 up 38 days, 20:33, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.00
>> [quote]
>> The most recent recruit to link hands with De Icaza and Mono
>> advocate Jo Shields is an Indian student, Anirudh Sanjeev, who has
>> proudly advertised his admission to these ranks by insulting Free
>> Software Foundation chief Richard Stallman in the foulest of terms.
>> [/quote]
>
> I read the entire article and failed to see the connection between
> the Indian student and De Icaza or Jo Shields.
You mean apart from the fact that they're all Mono "evangelists"?
Pay attention.
--
K.
http://slated.org
.----
| "The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's throat, for which
| the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf
| denounces him for the same act, as the destroyer of liberty.
| Plainly the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of
| the word liberty; and precisely the same difference prevails today
| among human creatures." ~ Abraham Lincoln
`----
Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.26.8-57.fc8
16:38:58 up 38 days, 20:37, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00
[Homer] is a complete kook.
It's obvious the guy's train has a few cars riding off the
rails.