Linux crapware is just ridiculous: it logs imaginary reboots
DFS
color of my Firefox window) at 11:33. REISUB didn't work; I hit the reset
button.
Looking at my sys.log, there is a restart shown at 11:19, 11:24, and (the
real one) at 11:33. What's up with that?
There are no entries in my kernel.log from 11:08 to 11:33. What's up with
that??"
#489 at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1135055&highlight=freeze&page=49
Linux just works
"Linux is ideal for anyone."
Ben
Still prowling the Ubuntu forums to point out Linux's failings constantly?
Oh my, that must give you a big cock.
RonB
> DFS wrote:
>> "I started the computer at about 10:56. It suddenly froze to biege
>
This is the only life he knows -- a 24/7 obsession with an
"insignificant OS that nobody has heard of..."
What a life.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
Ben
> Ben wrote:
>> DFS wrote:
>>> "I started the computer at about 10:56. It suddenly froze to biege
>>
>> Still prowling the Ubuntu forums to point out Linux's failings
>> constantly?
>
> This is the only life he knows -- a 24/7 obsession with an
> "insignificant OS that nobody has heard of..."
>
> What a life.
>
If he's obsessed with Linux and it consumes most of his waking life, and
he admits himself that Linux is insignificant, his life is therefore
also insignificant.
Thanks for admitting it DFS.
William Poaster
of the trolls Ben was heard to say:
Even buys the UK LinuxFormat magazine too!
--
"The philosophy behind Free, Open Source Software has parallels in several
cultures which practice *ethical* co-operation. Perhaps that's why it
threatens *unethical* business practices which feed on the unknowing."
-- Bassam A. Hassan -- CoFounder of the ILUG.
DFS
You meant to say Linux's constant failings, of course.
Besides, how could a perfect system have any failings?
"Linux is perfect for..."
* for the EeePC
* for poor students
* for grandmas and mothers
* for people with simple computing needs
* for developing countries
* for people who want to operate their own low-cost Internet servers
* for many embedded devices, servers, and clustered computers
* for those old computers with barely any processing power or memory
* for the family budget
* for single application or workstation deployment
* for a file server or media server.
* for everything but media and games
* for general stuff
* for home users, small business and SOHO environments
* for people with simple computing needs
* for little kid's free time
* for the BenQ Mobile Internet Device
* for computers with low processing power
* for the corporate environment
* for printing
* for point-of-sale terminals, reservation systems, CAD systems, Web
servers, and nameservers
* for many users
* for a file and print server for a small accounting office
* for the Asus EeePC
* for people that use the Internet, chat, do some word processing, play some
basic card games, etc,
* for the business desktop
* for the corporate desktop
* for file servers
* for print servers
* for education
* for low ram machines
* for clustering
* for storage networking
* for your network server, and your. back-office email relays
* for anyone with an eye on their budget who still needs a reliable and
scalable operating system
* for setting up a computer kiosk that can be securely made available to the
public.
* for devices with small memories and tiny screens
* for everyday general purpose computing use
* for tinkering around and new challenging things
* for anything (provided your PC is reasonably new and has a large-ish hard
drive)
* for embedded applications
* for hosting Lotus Domino servers
* for the type that likes to dig in
* for the mobile device market
* for older Windows 98 computers that are no longer safe to connect to the
internet because of viruses
* for menu systems on big screen TVs and digital cameras
* for the Internet
* for developing countries
* for filtering e-mail for Windows viruses
* for reporting on network traffic
* for monitoring network devices
* for running a central backup server
* for a good-quality corporate firewall
* for basic home/office tasks
* for servers and mainframes
* for smaller USB flash drives and portable devices as small as 64MB
* for teaching courses in operating systems design
* for email servers
* for old laptops, once you get it configured
* for the vast majority of my daily computing tasks
* for needs that dont go beyond Word processing and web browsing
* for day to day tasks such as net surfing, word documents, music, etc.,
* for server applications
* for the needs of many schools and charitable institutions.
* for people who just want to surf the Net or do homework
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:11:22 +0100, above the shrieking, whining & FUDding
> of the trolls Ben was heard to say:
>
>> RonB wrote:
>>> Ben wrote:
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>> "I started the computer at about 10:56. It suddenly froze to biege
>>>>
>>>> Still prowling the Ubuntu forums to point out Linux's failings
>>>> constantly?
>>>
>>> This is the only life he knows -- a 24/7 obsession with an
>>> "insignificant OS that nobody has heard of..."
>>>
>>> What a life.
>>>
>>>
>> If he's obsessed with Linux and it consumes most of his waking life, and
>> he admits himself that Linux is insignificant, his life is therefore
>> also insignificant.
>>
>> Thanks for admitting it DFS.
>
> Even buys the UK LinuxFormat magazine too!
So what? DFS probably invoices it on his expense report (to Microsoft).
Then he claims a tax deduction on it. "Necessary for work."
--
Truth will out this morning. (Which may really mess things up.)
Hans Lister
Linux is only free when your time has no value.
Ben
Keep droning that line, why don't you?
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hans Lister wrote:
>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Linux+is+perfect
>>
>> Linux is only free when your time has no value.
>
> Keep droning that line, why don't you?
It's just a special case of "Hans" main mantra:
Learning is only free when your time has no value.
--
You have a deep interest in all that is artistic.
Hans Lister
That's because it's true.
Some people don't mind "sweat equity".
Hans Lister
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Ben belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Linux+is+perfect
>>>
>>> Linux is only free when your time has no value.
>>
>> Keep droning that line, why don't you?
>
> It's just a special case of "Hans" main mantra:
>
> Learning is only free when your time has no value.
Why should an MD have to learn Linux in order to do his job?
Why should a musician have to learn Linux in order to create
music?
That's the problem with Linux advocates, they haven't realized
that the computer has become an appliance to help increase
productivity.
People don't care how an operating system works anyomre than
most of them don't care how their refrigerator works.
Logan Rathbone
<rant>
While that may be true for most people, the types of people that
frequent *this* newsgroup probably disagree with that mentality.
First, a bit of an aside: Linux "advocacy" for me does entail doing a
bit of gospel-spreading, but only to those I think would appreciate it
or benefit from it. And that excludes about 90% of computer users. So
it's not like I'm shoving Linux into everyone's face - being an advocate
doesn't mean you have to argue that Linux should be used by *everyone*,
*right now*.
Computing is something I *enjoy*. Of course, I need an OS that I can
use to get work done. But at the end of the day, I *enjoy* tinkering,
hacking, etc. and Linux provides this joy for me. The main thing that
really attracted me to Linux when I first tried it was that it put the
*fun* back into computing for me.
And because I, like many people in this newsgroup, have had the
opportunity to learn an OS I *love*, I have been able to become
productive with it in unique ways that cannot be provided by *any* OS if
the user does not have a deep understanding of how it works under the
hood.
Most people, as you say, don't have this passion for computing. They
just want to use their computer to get work done. That's fine. Those
types of people are usually pretty easy to spot, luckily, so I just
don't bother with Linux advocay around them - I learned that a long time
ago. Why would I? What would I or they stand to gain? It's pointless.
But every once in awhile, you run into a person who is actually
frustrated with their OS and wants to be able to enjoy *computing*. For
those people, that's where the advocacy can come into play. I know I
was one of those people, and a friend of mine spotted that and through
his advocacy, I learned to love computing again the way he did.
</rant>
I'm not saying Linux *cannot* be used as an appliance-style OS, but I
really have no interest in advocating Linux from that angle. I'm going
to stick with people that have the potential to love and have fun with
computing, thank you very much.
JEDIDIAH
> Hans Lister wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:45:27 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Ben wrote:
>>>> DFS wrote:
[deletia]
>>> * for the needs of many schools and charitable institutions.
>>> * for people who just want to surf the Net or do homework
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Linux+is+perfect
>>
>> Linux is only free when your time has no value.
>
> Keep droning that line, why don't you?
The funny part about that comment is that it was popularized by
a guy (Jamie) that himself has problems designing usable or even
completely functional interfaces.
Although I also sometimes wonder if the guys up in Cupertino
actually use the stuff they code either. It doesn't really
seem that way to me.
--
Some people have this nutty idea that in 1997 |||
reading to a hard disk and writing to a hard disk / | \
both at the same time was something worth patenting.
JEDIDIAH
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:27:22 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Ben belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>>
>>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Linux+is+perfect
>>>>
>>>> Linux is only free when your time has no value.
>>>
>>> Keep droning that line, why don't you?
>>
>> It's just a special case of "Hans" main mantra:
>>
>> Learning is only free when your time has no value.
>
> Why should an MD have to learn Linux in order to do his job?
> Why should a musician have to learn Linux in order to create
> music?
Both of those two professions should be open enough to new
ideas and learning new things that a little bit of computer
literacy should not be a big deal really.
Obviously you're the sort of fellow that doesn't push gear
beyond where the original engineers thought it might go.
That's kind of what separates the real musicians from the posers.
>
> That's the problem with Linux advocates, they haven't realized
> that the computer has become an appliance to help increase
> productivity.
>
> People don't care how an operating system works anyomre than
> most of them don't care how their refrigerator works.
JEDIDIAH
>
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:45:27 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ben wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>> "I started the computer at about 10:56. It suddenly froze to biege
>>>> * for the needs of many schools and charitable institutions.
>>>> * for people who just want to surf the Net or do homework
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Linux+is+perfect
>>>
>>> Linux is only free when your time has no value.
>>
>> Keep droning that line, why don't you?
>
> That's because it's true.
>
> Some people don't mind "sweat equity".
You will find Unix users to be some of the laziest in existence.
Like Tesla used to say about Edison: A little theory saves 95% of the sweat.
Although I don't need to "sweat" the basics. That's the bogus part of
this particular Lemming's mantra.
JEDIDIAH
> Hans Lister wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:27:22 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> > After takin' a swig o' grog, Ben belched out
>> > this bit o' wisdom:
>> >
>> >> Hans Lister wrote:
[deletia]
> But every once in awhile, you run into a person who is actually
> frustrated with their OS and wants to be able to enjoy *computing*. For
> those people, that's where the advocacy can come into play. I know I
> was one of those people, and a friend of mine spotted that and through
> his advocacy, I learned to love computing again the way he did.
></rant>
>
> I'm not saying Linux *cannot* be used as an appliance-style OS, but I
> really have no interest in advocating Linux from that angle. I'm going
> to stick with people that have the potential to love and have fun with
> computing, thank you very much.
A general purpose computer is not an "appliance" and never will be.
Want an appliance? Buy and appliance.
Don't modify a non-appliance and then expect it to act like a toaster.
This not done with any other sort of appliance.
Although most of the stuff that gets leveled at Linux in here is just
bogus fear mongering. It's either an exercise in cherry picking or a
bald faced lie.
Linux (and MacOS) suffer from not being the monopoly product.
Logan Rathbone
> On 2009-07-02, Ben <beno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 08:45:27 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ben wrote:
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>
> [deletia]
>
>>>> * for the needs of many schools and charitable institutions. * for
>>>> people who just want to surf the Net or do homework
>>>>
>>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Linux+is+perfect
>>>
>>> Linux is only free when your time has no value.
>>
>> Keep droning that line, why don't you?
>
> The funny part about that comment is that it was popularized by a guy
> (Jamie) that himself has problems designing usable or even completely
> functional interfaces.
>
> [snip]
Hey, I liked Netscape 3.x :-)
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hans Lister wrote:
>>
>> Why should an MD have to learn Linux in order to do his job?
Why should an MD have to learn Windows?
Why should an MD have to learn medicine?
>> Why should a musician have to learn Linux in order to create
>> music?
Why should a musician have to learn Windows?
Why should a musician have to learn music?
Why should a musician have to learn chords?
Why should a musician have to learn notation?
Why should a musician have to learn mixers?
Why should a musician have to learn acoustics?
Why should a musician have to learn scheduling and billing?
Why should a musician have to learn time management?
Stupid-ass questions from the flatfish.
>> That's the problem with Linux advocates, they haven't realized
>> that the computer has become an appliance to help increase
>> productivity.
You're completely full of shit, flatfish.
>> People don't care how an operating system works anyomre than
>> most of them don't care how their refrigerator works.
Indeed. As I have said on /many occasions.
Yet, they learned how to deal with Windows. It is a small step, then, to
dealing with Linux.
> <rant>
> While that may be true for most people, the types of people that
> frequent *this* newsgroup probably disagree with that mentality.
>
> First, a bit of an aside: Linux "advocacy" for me does entail doing a
> bit of gospel-spreading, but only to those I think would appreciate it
> or benefit from it. And that excludes about 90% of computer users. So
> it's not like I'm shoving Linux into everyone's face - being an advocate
> doesn't mean you have to argue that Linux should be used by *everyone*,
> *right now*.
>
> Computing is something I *enjoy*. Of course, I need an OS that I can
> use to get work done. But at the end of the day, I *enjoy* tinkering,
> hacking, etc. and Linux provides this joy for me. The main thing that
> really attracted me to Linux when I first tried it was that it put the
> *fun* back into computing for me.
>
> And because I, like many people in this newsgroup, have had the
> opportunity to learn an OS I *love*, I have been able to become
> productive with it in unique ways that cannot be provided by *any* OS if
> the user does not have a deep understanding of how it works under the
> hood.
>
> Most people, as you say, don't have this passion for computing. They
> just want to use their computer to get work done. That's fine. Those
> types of people are usually pretty easy to spot, luckily, so I just
> don't bother with Linux advocay around them - I learned that a long time
> ago. Why would I? What would I or they stand to gain? It's pointless.
And, in fact, many of those people may bug you about helping them with
Windows.
> But every once in awhile, you run into a person who is actually
> frustrated with their OS and wants to be able to enjoy *computing*. For
> those people, that's where the advocacy can come into play. I know I
> was one of those people, and a friend of mine spotted that and through
> his advocacy, I learned to love computing again the way he did.
> </rant>
>
> I'm not saying Linux *cannot* be used as an appliance-style OS, but I
> really have no interest in advocating Linux from that angle. I'm going
> to stick with people that have the potential to love and have fun with
> computing, thank you very much.
Where flatfish makes his big mistake is in thinking that the amount of stuff
you have to learn about an operating system is significant when compared to
all the other stuff you have to learn to be proficient in your chosen craft.
He'll spend a couple of decades to master all the activities needed to be a
proficient musician, and he won't spend a couple of weeks getting familiar
with a new system, a new instrument?
Then he's as stupid as a rock... musician.
--
If you think last Tuesday was a drag, wait till you see what happens tomorrow!
Hans Lister
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Logan Rathbone belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>>
>>> Why should an MD have to learn Linux in order to do his job?
>
> Why should an MD have to learn Windows?
>
> Why should an MD have to learn medicine?
>
>>> Why should a musician have to learn Linux in order to create
>>> music?
>
> Why should a musician have to learn Windows?
>
> Why should a musician have to learn music?
>
> Why should a musician have to learn chords?
>
> Why should a musician have to learn notation?
>
> Why should a musician have to learn mixers?
>
> Why should a musician have to learn acoustics?
>
> Why should a musician have to learn scheduling and billing?
>
> Why should a musician have to learn time management?
>
> Stupid-ass questions from the flatfish.
1. They know Windows already, it's applications they need to
learn.
2. If they don't know how to play, they shouldn't be a musician.
3. All the other things you mention are directly related to
being a musician, chords, acoustics etc as much as learning to
set a broken bone is part of being a doctor.
With Windows they buy the machine, plug it in and it works.
Oh and BTW they have machines specifically designed and loaded
up with software just for musicians.
Like this one for example:
http://www.sweetwater.com/creation_station/
With Linux?
Good luck.
>>> That's the problem with Linux advocates, they haven't realized
>>> that the computer has become an appliance to help increase
>>> productivity.
>
> You're completely full of shit, flatfish.
No I'm not.
Just like people no longer have to be mechanics to drive a car
like they did when the Model T was popular, people no longer
have to know how a computer works to use one. That goes triple
for an operating system.
>>> People don't care how an operating system works anyomre than
>>> most of them don't care how their refrigerator works.
>
> Indeed. As I have said on /many occasions.
>
> Yet, they learned how to deal with Windows. It is a small step, then, to
> dealing with Linux.
Not when their hardware won't install it's not.
7
I bet you he doesn't.
I bet he pays for it out of his own wallet.
And then to spite his employer out of an expenses report and avoid making
them fork out some money to him, he will create a false invoice and mail
the copy of the magazine to himself and pays DOUBLE to LinuxFormat
magazine! He just LOVES to pay!
Not like us tree hugging hippies who have to pirate Linux for a living!
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, William Poaster belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Even buys the UK LinuxFormat magazine too!
>>
>> So what? DFS probably invoices it on his expense report (to Microsoft).
>> Then he claims a tax deduction on it. "Necessary for work."
>
> I bet you he doesn't.
>
> I bet he pays for it out of his own wallet.
>
> And then to spite his employer out of an expenses report and avoid making
> them fork out some money to him, he will create a false invoice and mail
> the copy of the magazine to himself and pays DOUBLE to LinuxFormat
> magazine! He just LOVES to pay!
>
> Not like us tree hugging hippies who have to pirate Linux for a living!
Aye, ye kin lay ta that, laddie! Flog 'is arse!
--
Awash with unfocused desire, Everett twisted the lobe of his one remaining
ear and felt the presence of somebody else behind him, which caused terror
to push through his nervous system like a flash flood roaring down the
mid-fork of the Feather River before the completion of the Oroville Dam
in 1959.
-- Grand Panjandrum's Special Award, 1984 Bulwer-Lytton
bad fiction contest.
William Poaster
of the trolls Chris Ahlstrom was heard to say:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, 7 belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, William Poaster belched out
>>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Even buys the UK LinuxFormat magazine too!
>>>
>>> So what? DFS probably invoices it on his expense report (to
>>> Microsoft). Then he claims a tax deduction on it. "Necessary for
>>> work."
>>
>> I bet you he doesn't.
>>
>> I bet he pays for it out of his own wallet.
>>
>> And then to spite his employer out of an expenses report and avoid
>> making them fork out some money to him, he will create a false invoice
>> and mail the copy of the magazine to himself and pays DOUBLE to
>> LinuxFormat magazine! He just LOVES to pay!
>>
>> Not like us tree hugging hippies who have to pirate Linux for a living!
>
> Aye, ye kin lay ta that, laddie! Flog 'is arse!
"That's it, Number One. Have the men flogged till their spirits improve."
--
This message was sent from a
computer which is guaranteed
100% free of the M$ Windoze virus.
-- 64bit GNU/Linux systems --
JEDIDIAH
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:01:48 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Logan Rathbone belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Hans Lister wrote:
>>>> Why should a musician have to learn Linux in order to create
>>>> music?
>>
>> Why should a musician have to learn Windows?
>>
>> Why should a musician have to learn music?
>>
>> Why should a musician have to learn chords?
>>
>> Why should a musician have to learn notation?
>>
>> Why should a musician have to learn mixers?
>>
>> Why should a musician have to learn acoustics?
>>
>> Why should a musician have to learn scheduling and billing?
>>
>> Why should a musician have to learn time management?
>>
>> Stupid-ass questions from the flatfish.
>
> 1. They know Windows already, it's applications they need to
> learn.
No they don't really. I've had to install stuff in Windows
for MD's. They don't treat the system very abstractly and
can't work their way around simple problems that can be worked
through with just the GUI.
This "why should the bother" attitude certainly doesn't help.
>
> 2. If they don't know how to play, they shouldn't be a musician.
>
> 3. All the other things you mention are directly related to
> being a musician, chords, acoustics etc as much as learning to
> set a broken bone is part of being a doctor.
>
> With Windows they buy the machine, plug it in and it works.
Not really. This is just the Lemming fantasy propaganda.
[deletia]
Musicians and Doctors both if they are any good will
ultimately know more about their tools than the people
that created them. This is just part of being a
professional.
--
Apple: Because a large harddrive is for power users.
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