I'm in Love... KDE 4.3.1
Roy Schestowitz
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KDE4 does not cease to excite.
I have been a user of KDE for about decade, but I did use almost every other
desktop environment and window manager, especially in the earlier days of
GNU/Linux on the desktop. KDE came naturally to me as a SuSE user (until
Novell's deal with Microsoft) and its suitability for power user was a great
plus. I still use GNOME in other places and I am pleased to say that it's a
pleasant environment too.
My first impression of KDE 4.3 is that it is a lot simpler for newcomers
(than KDE 3) and it looks fantastic. I used earlier versions of KDE4 and
they didn't cause me trouble, but this one is almost perfect and I am unable
to find noticeable wrinkles or creases. In fact, the new release
incorporates so many wonderful changes that it would be irrational to ever
step back to KDE3 again.
In the process of setting up this workstation I needed to use GParted, which
is another invaluable distribution that does precisely what it says on the
tin and does it nicely, too. I am currently on Kubuntu 9.10 (alpha 5), but I
did not leave Mandriva behind. In fact, almost every distribution that I try
these days leaves me satisfied. They all do, after all, share the same
components; integration work is where it all counts.
So, thumbs up to the KDE team, the Kubuntu team, and the GParted
maintainer/s. At this pace, the domination of GNU/Linux on the desktop too
seems only like a matter of time.
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Ezekiel
"Roy Schestowitz" <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote in message
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> KDE4 does not cease to excite.
Sadly for you, the closest thing that a spamming loser like you will ever
come to love is KDE 4.3.1.
Tony Manco
You are not the only one in love with it... :-P
Marti van Lin
Neither are you :-)
I am defiantly turning back to KDE.
Thanks, Miguel de Icaza, for making the choice so easy :-p
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Hadron
You sad little man.
Go read Icaza's contributions to FOSS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Icaza
I use certain Gnome components and for someone that just wants a desktop
environemt which does not get in the way of the GREAT development tools
and aids he uses (emacs and xmonad...) it kicks KDEs butt. KDE sums up
all that is BAD in freetardville. Everything reinvented every other day
but only 90% completed. All bells and whistles that are slightly out of
tune. Who gives a rats arse over konqueror? Its bloated, buggy and
unnecessary.
However all to their own : but some creepy little MiniWitz like you
(there are now two) insulting Icaza is really low.
William Poaster
trolls, Marti van Lin was heard to say:
I've got Kubuntu 9.04 (64-bit) on this machine, to try it, & with KDE
4.2.2 it's rock steady & looking very good.
I have it installed on another one too, & upgraded KDE to 4.3.1 (but it's
unsupported). They intend to release KDE 4.3.1 with Kubuntu Karmic (9.10).
Also got Mandriva 2010 Beta with it, but I'm getting some apps crashing
the plasma-desktop (as you'd expect with alpha/beta releases, so I'm
reporting bugs to the Mandriva developers.
> Thanks, Miguel de Icaza, for making the choice so easy :-p
Heh, yes!
Moshe Goldfarb
But you're supposed to be a married woman Roy "Racine"
Schestowitz.
What is Mark Kent going to say?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.support.transgendered/msg/27752775c0b5c387
Moshe Goldfarb
What a collection of slimeballs the freetards have become.
It's like a parade of hateful, mean spirited retards.
Scehstowitz in an evening gown with a long veil as the grand
master leading the show.
MiniWitz Ahlstrom holding Roy's cape and throwing rice.
Marti as Schestowitz's "lady in waiting".
7 as the court jester jumping all around the parade route
throwing *blank* DVD's to the onlookers.
and Terry Porter duplicating the DVDs, which is why they are
blank instead of loaded with Linux distributions.
(He can't even manage to do that correctly)
Moshe Goldfarb
What a collection of slimeballs the freetards have become.
Moshe Goldfarb
What a collection of slimeballs the freetards have become.
Moshe Goldfarb
Sorry for the repeats...looks like Motzarella burped...
Don Zeigler
>However all to their own : but some creepy little MiniWitz like you
>(there are now two) insulting Icaza is really low.
Cry us a river, you whining little bitch.
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Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>However all to their own : but some creepy little MiniWitz like you
>>(there are now two) insulting Icaza is really low.
There are a hell of a lot more than two people insulting Icaza.
I'm not one of them, by the way. All I did was observe that Icaza
doesn't mind calling some people "freetards".
> Cry us a river, you whining little bitch.
Pathetic, isn't it, coming from the insane quark hypocrite.
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Oh ok. I pointed out that Turd was nothing more than rms' attempt to get
the hobbyware OS niche all to himself but had failed dismally when the
bearded masses realised they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery
without someone as smart and full of self belief (and willing to openly
bully people) as Linus. Talking about "kernels" is all well and
good. But they're not as easy as some would have you believe.
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Marti van Lin on Monday 07 Sep 2009 14:40 : \____
We need GNOME too. I still use it sometimes. GNOME is not Miguel.
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____/ William Poaster on Monday 07 Sep 2009 15:10 : \____
I haven't experienced crashes except for one minor one (didn't see anything
actually crashing/disappearing), even in KDE 4.1.x.
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Tony Manco
In my case, it had nothing to do with him. I was using a "pure Gnome" if you
know what I mean. I was just sick and tired of reading some of those
negative reviews about how much KDE sucked and one morning I though to
myself "Hell, why not give it a shot myself and take my own conclusions" I
did, and I don't regret installing it, it's fast, sharp and eye catching...
the apps integrate so well with each other that I can't find words to
describe how I fell about this, it has apps for everything... it's KDE...
enough said :-P
Today after about a week of using it I removed all the Gnome depends and I
am now stuck with a Pure KDE install.
Loving it since the first day I installed it... I've been 2+ year Gnome user
btw...
Cheers!
Tony Manco
<snip>
>
> I use certain Gnome components and for someone that just wants a desktop
> environemt which does not get in the way of the GREAT development tools
> and aids he uses (emacs and xmonad...) it kicks KDEs butt. KDE sums up
> all that is BAD in freetardville. Everything reinvented every other day
> but only 90% completed. All bells and whistles that are slightly out of
> tune. Who gives a rats arse over konqueror? Its bloated, buggy and
> unnecessary.
<snip>
Lies about KDE, nothing to see here, move on...
Homer
> ____/ Marti van Lin on Monday 07 Sep 2009 14:40 : \____
>> Thanks, Miguel de Icaza, for making the choice so easy :-p
>
> We need GNOME too. I still use it sometimes. GNOME is not Miguel.
Yes, if we walk away from Gnome, then Microsoft Evangelists like Icaza
win, and Gnome becomes just more MS "IP". Better to stay and fight, to
discourage the spread of the Microsoft disease... at least in terms of
campaigning. That doesn't mean I want to use it in the interim though.
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Homer on Monday 07 Sep 2009 23:09 : \____
> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>> ____/ Marti van Lin on Monday 07 Sep 2009 14:40 : \____
>
>>> Thanks, Miguel de Icaza, for making the choice so easy :-p
>>
>> We need GNOME too. I still use it sometimes. GNOME is not Miguel.
>
> Yes, if we walk away from Gnome, then Microsoft Evangelists like Icaza
> win, and Gnome becomes just more MS "IP". Better to stay and fight, to
> discourage the spread of the Microsoft disease... at least in terms of
> campaigning. That doesn't mean I want to use it in the interim though.
Here's an E-mail that I got some days ago (on the same topic):
"I see that you were an avid SuSE fan! So was I. My first Linux distro was RH5.0. In Sept of
1998 I switched to SuSE and purchased 22 boxed sets. Then Novell bought them. I was on the SuSE
UseNet newsgroup, which Novel took over, and one of the first messages they posted was that SuSE
owners would, from then on, be required to get written permission, from a lady whose name I can't
remember anymore, IF you wanted to create archival copies of your installation. I posted a
message on the newsgroup reminding them of the terms of the GPL and how their new requirement
was a breech of contract. That started a firestorm. Even then, as now, there were folks (I
suspect Novell employees) who attacked anyone who supported the GPL. They twisted the meaning of
the four freedoms in ways I didn't think a logical person could do in order to justify Novell's
actions. Novell backed down after "Mark" (who posted the original msg) consulted "someone" (I
suspect a Novell attorney) and recanted the new rule. But, I could see the handwriting on the
wall and I decided to look for more GPL-greener pastures. History bore my suspicions out.
Novell then bought Ximian and de Icaza. That gave them control over GNOME, Evolution and MONO.
I believe that de Icaza is and always has been an MS mole. I believe he became one in 1999 when
he was invited, along with his partner Nate, to come to Redmond and talk about a job. MS
couldn't hire him as an employee because he had only a student visa, but I suspect they hired him
as a PAID consultant operating out of his Mexican home, and he's been doing his best to infect
Linux with MS IP every since.
"Within a couple years Novell and MS signed their infamous "agreement" and Novell started paying
MS a royalty for each copy of SLES sold. It's like a jail-house confession where the person
says "I confess, HE did it!". For $300M Novell "admits" that Linux contains MS IP. Then they
proceed to do an end-run around the GPL by dividing FOSS developers into two groups, those who
contribute to the SLES and those who do not. To the former MS grants "immunity" from future MS
lawsuits, but not to the latter. This agreement adds a "right" to some FOSS coders but NOT the
others. The GPL strictly forbids this, because all recipients of GPL code should enjoy ALL the
right of the GPL, so legally, IMO, Novell is not allowed to distribute GPL software. But, no
one in the FSF or other Linux organizations with any clout has the courage to call Novell out on
it. Just the contrary, they give tacit approval of the deal!
I was stunned when the Ubuntu Technical Board voted, on June 29th, 2009, to make future releases
of the Ubuntu desktop remix DEPENDENT upon MONO. That would give Ubuntu TWO desktop APIs (GTK2
& MONO) but it needs only one. My suspicions are that the next step would be to either replace
the GTK API with MONO's and create Ubuntu's desktop ENTIRELY out of MONO, using the gui parts of
MONO, or to weave GTK and MONO together in such a way that MONO's operation is not impaired but
it cannot be removed without wiping out GTK and the DE at the same time. Luckily, it was
revealed in mid July that contrary to the clams of MONO proponents, and Microsoft's "Promise",
the ECMA 334 & 335 standard applied ONLY to C# and the CLI, but NOT to the GUI parts of MONO.
As I said before, either de Icaza was caught in a lie or he was caught with his pants down,
because he and his MONO acolytes had been assuring us that MONO was TOTALLY SAFE from MS IP
contamination. I cannot see him NOT knowing the difference, considering that he has been working
hand in hand with Microsoft developers and management for nearly ten years as he recreated .NET
in Linux."
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Tony Manco on Monday 07 Sep 2009 21:20 : \____
The KDE developers also received a lot of abuse. Some suspect that the Microsoft crowd was at least
partly involved with this.
"...Then they fight you.."
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____/ Tony Manco on Monday 07 Sep 2009 21:19 : \____
GNOME 3.0 might come up with something revolutionary that's not tied to Mono. Competition can
only improve the Free desktop.
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Roy Schestowitz
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____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Monday 07 Sep 2009 20:39 : \____
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Don Zeigler belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>However all to their own : but some creepy little MiniWitz like you
>>>(there are now two) insulting Icaza is really low.
>
> There are a hell of a lot more than two people insulting Icaza.
>
> I'm not one of them, by the way. All I did was observe that Icaza
> doesn't mind calling some people "freetards".
Keep track of who he hangs out with these days.
>> Cry us a river, you whining little bitch.
>
> Pathetic, isn't it, coming from the insane quark hypocrite.
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Hadron
> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>> ____/ Marti van Lin on Monday 07 Sep 2009 14:40 : \____
>
>>> Thanks, Miguel de Icaza, for making the choice so easy :-p
>>
>> We need GNOME too. I still use it sometimes. GNOME is not Miguel.
>
> Yes, if we walk away from Gnome, then Microsoft Evangelists like Icaza
> win, and Gnome becomes just more MS "IP". Better to stay and fight, to
> discourage the spread of the Microsoft disease... at least in terms of
> campaigning. That doesn't mean I want to use it in the interim though.
I have a better idea : why dont you, Marti, Roy and the other loonies
piss off and play with your toys while the rest of us continue to use
and advocate good OSS SW like Gnome? You are insane. You hurt OSS. You
hurt Linux.
DFS
> The KDE developers also received a lot of abuse. Some suspect that
> the Microsoft crowd was at least partly involved with this.
BWA!!
Some == 1 loser == you, Spamowitz.
Interestingly, the same "some" "sensed" that Microsoft encouraged Hans
Reiser to murder his wife.
DFS
The vindictive little twerps care much more about hurting Microsoft than
they do about promoting Linux/OSS.
And what kind of message does it send when the "Executive Director" of the
Free Software Foundation puts on a silly GNU-head costume and tosses empty
Windows and OSX boxes into the trash, while 10 bozos in tshirts egg him on?
It makes them look like loony children.
Linux/OSS needs a dozen more talented, realist developers like Icaza, and it
needs absolutely zero wackos like Hypocrite and Spamowitz and 7.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Here's an E-mail that I got some days ago (on the same topic):
>
> "I see that you were an avid SuSE fan! So was I. My first Linux distro was RH5.0. In Sept of
> 1998 I switched to SuSE and purchased 22 boxed sets. Then Novell bought them. I was on the SuSE
Work on your formatting, Roy.
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After all, all he did was string together a lot of old, well-known quotations.
-- H. L. Mencken, on Shakespeare
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> ____/ Tony Manco on Monday 07 Sep 2009 21:20 : \____
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>> I use certain Gnome components and for someone that just wants a desktop
>>> environemt which does not get in the way of the GREAT development tools
>>> and aids he uses (emacs and xmonad...) it kicks KDEs butt. KDE sums up
>>> all that is BAD in freetardville. Everything reinvented every other day
>>> but only 90% completed. All bells and whistles that are slightly out of
>>> tune. Who gives a rats arse over konqueror? Its bloated, buggy and
>>> unnecessary.
>>
>> Lies about KDE, nothing to see here, move on...
>
> The KDE developers also received a lot of abuse. Some suspect that the
> Microsoft crowd was at least partly involved with this.
That would explain "Hadron"'s post, then.
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Homer
[quote: anonymous E-mail correspondent]
> "My suspicions are that the next step would be to either replace the
> GTK API with MONO's and create Ubuntu's desktop ENTIRELY out of
> MONO, using the gui parts of MONO"
Note that this is actually an upstream call at Gnome, and has nothing to
do with Ubuntu per se, although Ubuntu developers might invariably also
be involved with Gnome and/or create their own patchsets.
Also note that Icaza has already explicitly stated he aspires to
rewriting Gnome entirely in Mono:
[quoted in full, for posterity]
Explain yourself Miguel, demands RMS
.NETification of GNOME - latest
By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco
5th February 2002 09:32 GMT
A surprised and dismayed Richard M Stallman says Gnome project founder
Miguel de Icaza owes the community an explanation for comments made to
The Register, last week, in which de Icaza advocated basing the project
on Microsoft.NET APIs.
"I can't believe it's Gnome you're talking about but if it is, I
wouldn't like that," Stallman told an audience at the World Social Forum
in Porto Alegre, Brazil last week.
Stallman only learned of de Icaza's intentions to slip the Mono project
- based on Microsoft's .NET framework - into Gnome as "the natural
technology upgrade" when asked by the audience.
Gnome - the GNU Object Model - is the part of the GNU Project, started
by Stallman in 1985.
"I didn't know he was doing that, I find that very hard to believe," he
said.
"We would like him to come to the free software community and explain
himself to us about it."
Brazilian tech site HotBits has more details here, with a number of
other snippets of RMS on globalization, and GNU matters, accessible from
the current edition's front page. We're grateful to Renata Aquino for
providing us with a translation.
Outraged Gnome users were mailing us over the weekend vowing to abandon
the platform, and GnomeVFS maintainer Ian McKellar (who we inexplicably
missed when we called in on Danger the other week) took a swipe at
Miguel on the Gnome hackers mailing list: "You don't speak for me and
you don't speak for most of the Gnome developers I know". (He also takes
a sideswipe at us - we're "usually full of FUD and lies," apparently).
However, Miguel has been entirely consistent. From our own interview at
the time of the Mono announcement, to this recent Q&A, he's justified
Mono primarily is a better technology infrastructure for Gnome.
So if you didn't see this one coming, you simply haven't been paying
attention.
Nor has Miguel made any secret of his ambitions to enrich the software
libre desktop with more sophisticated infrastructure, using Microsoft
Windows as the model. The Bonobo technology was designed to provide a
lightweight compound architecture inspired by The Beast's COM, and there
was even a Gnome Basic scripting language mooted at one point.
Miguel has told reporters that only an immigration technicality
prevented him from becoming a Microsoft employee four years ago - the
small print of the H1-B Visa process disqualifies students who haven't
completed their degree course.
Sheep in wolf's cloning
With the community gathering at LinuxToday, to discuss the wisdom of the
suggestion, a couple of interesting areas have emerged.
One of the justifications offered for Mono cloning the .NET APIs is that
other open source projects do too. Don't WINE and Samba clone the
Microsoft protocols or interfaces? Isn't it really all OK? The
difference, however, is that Win32 and SMB are dominant standards, and
producing a workalike, particularly in the case of Samba, provides an
interoperability *technology that doesn't entrench the monopoly*; Samba
is in effect a great big device driver that lets a non-Windows machine
access Windows network hardware. .NET is different, in that it the .NET
framework has precisely zero users right now, if you discount the more
nebulous services such as Hotmail, which have been dragooned into the
markitecture.
More worrying for any open source project - particularly one as broad
and pervasive as Gnome - is the wisdom of committing to a single
vendor's semi-open specifications.
As de Icaza acknowledged last week, "few, very few" of the .NET classes
have been submitted to ECMA. And Microsoft has hinted that it would make
sure .NET clones pay for using Microsoft technology. How, we'll have to
see. It may be worth noting that The Beast typically doesn't view patent
infringements in the simple, hand-over-the-money style of a Qualcomm or
a Rambus, and is actually more frequently the recipient rather than the
initiator of patent infringement lawsuits. But rather, it looks for
downstream opportunities it can leverage with business partners.
And in any case, does de Icaza have the personal capital to influence
such a decision? Well he might, but in theory it should only go so far.
The industry-sponsored GNOME Foundation, has an elected board, which
meets fortnightly, and where agenda items such as "8.b. Proposal to sell
our souls to The Satan of Redmond in perpetuity" can be postponed until
after tea and biscuits.
One of the sponsors of the Foundation is Sun. As we pointed out on
Friday, the prospect of selling boxes with the sticker "Solaris -
Powered by .NET" might persuade Sun to start taking an active interest
in the Foundation. Like, really, really active. ®
Related Story
Gnome to be based on .NET - de Icaza
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/01/gnome_to_be_based
[/quote]
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/05/explain_yourself_miguel_demands_rms/
[Emphasis indicated with "*" is mine]
> "or to weave GTK and MONO together in such a way that MONO's
> operation is not impaired but it cannot be removed without wiping out
> GTK and the DE at the same time. Luckily, it was revealed in mid
> July that contrary to the clams of MONO proponents, and Microsoft's
> "Promise", the ECMA 334 & 335 standard applied ONLY to C# and the
> CLI, but NOT to the GUI parts of MONO."
Indeed "weaving GTK and MONO together" would breach Microsoft's
"Community Promise", since they explicitly state it "applies only if the
implementation conforms fully to required portions of the [ECMA]
specification. Partial implementations are not covered."
So from a licensing perspective, having Mono on one's system is not
entirely different from having a binary blob from nVidia ... it is just
as inflexible and encumbered (another similarity being that IIRC .Net
technology is not licensed for use on architectures other than x86).
> "As I said before, either de Icaza was caught in a lie or he was
> caught with his pants down, because he and his MONO acolytes had been
> assuring us that MONO was TOTALLY SAFE from MS IP contamination. I
> cannot see him NOT knowing the difference, considering that he has
> been working hand in hand with Microsoft developers and management
> for nearly ten years as he recreated .NET in Linux."
And COM, and God knows what other Windows-esque paradigms. This is no
doubt assisted by his regular attendance at the Microsoft Developer
Conference, and his equally regular contact with various departments
within the Redmond HQ (e.g. Port25, Channel9, etc.). It's clear Icaza
has more friends /inside/ the Vole than elsewhere.
Gnome also has a Windows-style Registry, in the form of GConf, although
we have Havoc Pennington of Red Hat to "thank" for that one.
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Hadron
Even Ahlstrom is now 100% loony tunes. Read some of his latest
"offerings". He has become quite the "advocate" - agreeing with idiots
like Poaster, 7 and Jeb as fast as his little pink tongue can flicker.
Moshe Goldfarb
Hahah!
Or a few of Schestowitz's nyms that he uses to have discussions
with himself on his BN chat channel.
Miguel de Icaza
> Also note thatIcazahas already explicitly stated he aspires to
> rewriting Gnome entirely in Mono:
You guys keep religiously pointing out to that article from the
Register from 2002 and always fail to post any references to my public
correction that I issued to that article a few days later.
Let us bring the paranoia down a notch by reposting it here from:
http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-011-20-OP-GN-MS
Moshe Goldfarb
> Hadron wrote:
>> Homer <use...@slated.org> writes:
>>
>>> Verily I say unto thee, that Roy Schestowitz spake thusly:
>>>> ____/ Marti van Lin on Monday 07 Sep 2009 14:40 : \____
>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Miguel de Icaza, for making the choice so easy :-p
>>>>
>>>> We need GNOME too. I still use it sometimes. GNOME is not Miguel.
>>>
>>> Yes, if we walk away from Gnome, then Microsoft Evangelists like
>>> Icaza win, and Gnome becomes just more MS "IP". Better to stay and
>>> fight, to discourage the spread of the Microsoft disease... at least
>>> in terms of campaigning. That doesn't mean I want to use it in the
>>> interim though.
>>
>> I have a better idea : why dont you, Marti, Roy and the other loonies
>> piss off and play with your toys while the rest of us continue to use
>> and advocate good OSS SW like Gnome? You are insane. You hurt OSS. You
>> hurt Linux.
>
>
> The vindictive little twerps care much more about hurting Microsoft than
> they do about promoting Linux/OSS.
Of course they do along with promoting themselves.
Hint for the morons in COLA: Why does Roy append a long SPAM
filled sig to his posts...
Answer: To splatter his name and website, search engine etc all
over the place and he hopes it will show up in people's replies
as well.
> And what kind of message does it send when the "Executive Director" of the
> Free Software Foundation puts on a silly GNU-head costume and tosses empty
> Windows and OSX boxes into the trash, while 10 bozos in tshirts egg him on?
> It makes them look like loony children.
The guy looked like a freaking retard.
I think it was appropriate that the Boston Psychiatric Hospital
was visible in the background.
> Linux/OSS needs a dozen more talented, realist developers like Icaza, and it
> needs absolutely zero wackos like Hypocrite and Spamowitz and 7.
Linus says as much....
Notice how it seems that the do nothings, like Schestowitz, are
the biggest idiots of all?
Moshe Goldfarb
Chris Ahlstrom is now competing with Terry Porter for COLA's own
Village Idiot.
Moshe Goldfarb
> Here's an E-mail that I got some days ago (on the same topic):
>
> "I see that you were an avid SuSE fan! So was I.
Is that like the "Gary Stewart" email you received?
Or did you make this one up yourself?
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Moshe Goldfarb
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Roy Schestowitz belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Here's an E-mail that I got some days ago (on the same topic):
>>
>> "I see that you were an avid SuSE fan! So was I. My first Linux distro was RH5.0. In Sept of
>> 1998 I switched to SuSE and purchased 22 boxed sets. Then Novell bought them. I was on the SuSE
>
> Work on your formatting, Roy.
Oh brother......
MiniWitz has to "prove" he criticizes Schestowitz so he picks on
his formatting.
Look suck-up, formatting is the least of Roy's errors.
Try reading the content some time.
Snit
9/7/09 2:08 AM:
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> KDE4 does not cease to excite.
>
> I have been a user of KDE for about decade, but I did use almost every other
> desktop environment and window manager, especially in the earlier days of
> GNU/Linux on the desktop. KDE came naturally to me as a SuSE user (until
> Novell's deal with Microsoft) and its suitability for power user was a great
> plus. I still use GNOME in other places and I am pleased to say that it's a
> pleasant environment too.
>
> My first impression of KDE 4.3 is that it is a lot simpler for newcomers
> (than KDE 3) and it looks fantastic. I used earlier versions of KDE4 and
> they didn't cause me trouble, but this one is almost perfect and I am unable
> to find noticeable wrinkles or creases. In fact, the new release
> incorporates so many wonderful changes that it would be irrational to ever
> step back to KDE3 again.
>
> In the process of setting up this workstation I needed to use GParted, which
> is another invaluable distribution that does precisely what it says on the
> tin and does it nicely, too. I am currently on Kubuntu 9.10 (alpha 5), but I
> did not leave Mandriva behind. In fact, almost every distribution that I try
> these days leaves me satisfied. They all do, after all, share the same
> components; integration work is where it all counts.
>
> So, thumbs up to the KDE team, the Kubuntu team, and the GParted
> maintainer/s. At this pace, the domination of GNU/Linux on the desktop too
> seems only like a matter of time.
KDE 4 is a big step in the right direction from KDE 3... gone are the days
when Konquerer was trying to be all things to all people. It is an
impressive piece of work.
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this bit o' wisdom:
> Hello,
Well, this is 2009.
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heel.
Hadron
I'm amazed Liarsuck didn't recommend Tex. He's getting all excited about
it in another thread and accusing people who use wysiwig WPs like Word
or OO "limiting themsleves" or being "sheeple" etc etc etc. He's quite
the little cock of the roost these days.
Moshe Goldfarb
If I were you I would hire a good lawyer and sue the skirt off
Roy Schestowitz....
Moshe Goldfarb
Oh no!
Now you've gotten Marti all excited....
Rick
Well, it is a big step in a direction away from KDE 3. Whether everything
is in the "right" direction remains to be seen.
> gone are the
> days when Konquerer was trying to be all things to all people.
Konqueror has always been made of plugins. It is still made of plugins.
Apparently, it can still be amde to function as it does in KDE 3.5.
> It is an impressive piece of work.
Hopefully they will continue to replace features from KDE 3.5 that are
still missing in KDE 4.
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Snit
7:50 PM:
Well, I suppose KDE 5 might go back to the everything-to-everyone philosophy
that the Konquerer folks figured should be left behind. I doubt it though!
>> gone are the
>> days when Konquerer was trying to be all things to all people.
>
> Konqueror has always been made of plugins. It is still made of plugins.
> Apparently, it can still be amde to function as it does in KDE 3.5.
Sure... and how many distros use it this way? Any? Does any disto manager
choose to do things the old way?
None of the major ones, not that I can find. Maybe I am wrong... but we
would need to find someone who knows the Linux ecosystem better than you and
I to verify.
>> It is an impressive piece of work.
>
> Hopefully they will continue to replace features from KDE 3.5 that are
> still missing in KDE 4.
Any you have in mind? Migrations do take time though... and, yes, it takes
time to bring back features. Heck, OS X just got "back" the put back from
trash feature. Took almost a decade for that one little thing.
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____/ Homer on Tuesday 08 Sep 2009 01:11 : \____
To be fair, KDE pondered doing something similar last year. Liquidat
blogged about it.
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____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Tuesday 08 Sep 2009 00:22 : \____
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Roy Schestowitz belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Here's an E-mail that I got some days ago (on the same topic):
>>
>> "I see that you were an avid SuSE fan! So was I. My first Linux distro was
>> RH5.0. In Sept of
>> 1998 I switched to SuSE and purchased 22 boxed sets. Then Novell bought
>> them. I was on the SuSE
>
> Work on your formatting, Roy.
I'm still learning how to use the new version of KNode. There was an overhaul.
I'll figure it out, eventually.
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____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Tuesday 08 Sep 2009 02:59 : \____
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Miguel de Icaza belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>> Also note thatIcazahas already explicitly stated he aspires to
>>> rewriting Gnome entirely in Mono:
>>
>> You guys keep religiously pointing out to that article from the
>> Register from 2002 and always fail to post any references to my public
>> correction that I issued to that article a few days later.
>>
>> Let us bring the paranoia down a notch by reposting it here from:
>>
>> http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-011-20-OP-GN-MS
>
> Well, this is 2009.
There is a lot more mono in many more places (and not just in GNOME).
How come people will require mono to view Silver Lie content?
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____/ Rick on Tuesday 08 Sep 2009 03:50 : \____
Almost everything from 3.5 is already in 4.3 and _more_. It's organised in
a way that simplifies the GUIs, so for people who are used to KDE 3.5 it
may take time to relearn (I'm still learning knode 4.3.1 for example, which
is why I get links and linewraps wrong).
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Many others as well.
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Rick
The biggest thing missing for me is Desktop Mouse Button Actions. For me,
clicking on the desktop for your menus is much easier than moving to the
top or bottom of the screen all the time.
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Tony Manco
>>> Neither are you :-)
>>>
>>> I am defiantly turning back to KDE.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Miguel de Icaza, for making the choice so easy :-p
>>>
>>
>> you know what I mean. I was just sick and tired of reading some of those
>> negative reviews about how much KDE sucked and one morning I though to
>> myself "Hell, why not give it a shot myself and take my own conclusions"
>> I did, and I don't regret installing it, it's fast, sharp and eye
>> catching... the apps integrate so well with each other that I can't find
>> words to describe how I fell about this, it has apps for everything...
>> it's KDE... enough said :-P
>>
>> Today after about a week of using it I removed all the Gnome depends and
>> I am now stuck with a Pure KDE install.
>>
>> Loving it since the first day I installed it... I've been 2+ year Gnome
>> user btw...
>
> GNOME 3.0 might come up with something revolutionary that's not tied to
> Mono. Competition can only improve the Free desktop.
>
Gnome Shell?
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William Poaster
trolls, Roy Schestowitz was heard to say:
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> ____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Tuesday 08 Sep 2009 00:22 : \____
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, Roy Schestowitz belched out
>> this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Here's an E-mail that I got some days ago (on the same topic):
>>>
>>> "I see that you were an avid SuSE fan! So was I. My first Linux distro was
>>> RH5.0. In Sept of
>>> 1998 I switched to SuSE and purchased 22 boxed sets. Then Novell bought
>>> them. I was on the SuSE
>>
>> Work on your formatting, Roy.
>
> I'm still learning how to use the new version of KNode. There was an overhaul.
> I'll figure it out, eventually.
Interesting. I'll try Knode. :-)
William Poaster
trolls, Chris Ahlstrom was heard to say:
I wouldn't be surprised if the Hadron M$ fanboi was party to it.
Tony Manco
<snip>
>>
>> Gnome also has a Windows-style Registry, in the form of GConf, although
>> we have Havoc Pennington of Red Hat to "thank" for that one.
>
> To be fair, KDE pondered doing something similar last year. Liquidat
> blogged about it.
>
Do you have a link? I would love to get my eyes on that :-P
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Homer
>> Also note that Icaza has already explicitly stated he aspires to
[quote]
* First, the Facts
GNOME is not adopting Mono or .NET as an implementation
technology. The headline from the Register is misleading,
for a number of reasons:
* The headline does not reflect any statements I
made on the interview (if you read the interview
you will notice this).
[/quote]
Well let's see ... the "misleading" El Reg article header is "Gnome to
be based on .NET - de Icaza", and sure enough, right there in that
article is a direct quote from you stating "Gnome 4.0 should be based on
.NET".
So please explain how the article's header is "misleading".
Are you accusing Andrew Orlowski of lying? Did he completely fabricate
that quote?
Your subsequent "correction" is little more than a protracted
advertisement for Microsoft technology, peppered with hand waving about
potential difficulties.
And ultimately, Miguel, actions speak louder than words. Mono continues
to be pushed into Gnome ... it's only a matter of time before full
dependency results. Not that you'd mind, of course, which raises the
question of why you should object to people tracking the spread of
something you value so highly?
If this information is out of date, then by all means lets have a
/current/ quote from you.
Do you, or do you not, currently have any desire for Gnome to be based
on Mono?
After all, according to you, Microsoft's .NET technology would be a
"fantastic upgrade", so surely that must be one of your aspirations.
Certainly I've seen very little in the intervening years since that
interview that might cause me to conclude otherwise. On the contrary, it
seems you've dedicated your career to becoming somewhat of a Microsoft
Evangelist, taking every opportunity to extol the virtues of their
"fantastic" technology. And why shouldn't you? After all, you did once
aspire to work for them, and you currently work as the Developer
Platform VP for one of Microsoft's closest partners, which essentially
means you do now in fact work for Microsoft, given the kind of
obligations Microsoft place on such partners with their nefarious
contracts ... contacts which usually require said partners to promote
Microsoft and their products.
If you really wish to provide "corrections", Miguel, then I suggest you
publish the aforementioned contract for all to see, then we can all
establish exactly what your "obligations" to Microsoft really are, and
determine whether or not there really is an agenda to transform
GNU/Linux's primary desktop environment into (essentially) a
Microsoft-controlled product. Novell shouldn't have any problem with
this. I mean, if they've done nothing wrong then they've nothing to hide
... right?
We may all eventually have the opportunity to scrutinise that document,
regardless of Novell's and Microsoft's unwillingness to reveal the truth
... as court evidence in yet another Microsoft antitrust trial. Until
then, I suppose we're just going to have to believe you, when you claim
there's no Microsoft agenda on the one hand, whilst spending the rest of
your time promoting Microsoft and their technology on the other.
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3:57 AM:
>> Konqueror has always been made of plugins. It is still made of plugins.
>> Apparently, it can still be amde to function as it does in KDE 3.5.
>>
>>> It is an impressive piece of work.
>>
>> Hopefully they will continue to replace features from KDE 3.5 that are
>> still missing in KDE 4.
>
> Almost everything from 3.5 is already in 4.3 and _more_. It's organised in
> a way that simplifies the GUIs, so for people who are used to KDE 3.5 it
> may take time to relearn (I'm still learning knode 4.3.1 for example, which
> is why I get links and linewraps wrong).
I have asked Rick which features he means - he has not replied. I am sure
he will with a list.
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Sure.
http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/kde-config-to-get-a-sql-backend/
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It pays off to set up keyboard shortcuts and use the mouse very little.
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I'm starting to get used to the new version, which looks good with qt4. Feature-
wise it's about the same as before with newer artwork.
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I would personally be interested in knowing why Moonlight requires Mono. Who
decided on the design of 2.0?
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See the recent Banshee presentation (Desktop Summit). Creepy.
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>
>>
>>
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Gnome also has a Windows-style Registry, in the form of GConf,
>>>> although we have Havoc Pennington of Red Hat to "thank" for that one.
>>>
>>> To be fair, KDE pondered doing something similar last year. Liquidat
>>> blogged about it.
>>>
>>
>> Do you have a link? I would love to get my eyes on that :-P
>
> Sure.
>
> http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/kde-config-to-get-a-sql-
backend/
>
Well, the idea was to put config data into a SQL database.
And, and this is real important, to have the choice to retain the file
config scheme KDE now has or use the database scheme.
Again that "choice thingy" Hadron Snot Quark is so afraid of
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I personally doubt he did this outside COLA. Hans SchneiderLearyDron does not
appear active under the same names elsewhere.
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TomB
> Well, the idea was to put config data into a SQL database.
> And, and this is real important, to have the choice to retain the file
> config scheme KDE now has or use the database scheme.
>
> Again that "choice thingy" Hadron Snot Quark is so afraid of
In a way it makes sense to put KDE's config in a database; after all
it is a graphical environment, so most users will configure it through
the graphical interfaces anyway. As long as this approach doesn't
spread to actual system configuration I'm happy. I *don't* want to
configure my web server though SQL queries :-p
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> ____/ Tony Manco on Tuesday 08 Sep 2009 12:54 : \____
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>>
>>
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Gnome also has a Windows-style Registry, in the form of GConf, although
>>>> we have Havoc Pennington of Red Hat to "thank" for that one.
>>>
>>> To be fair, KDE pondered doing something similar last year. Liquidat
>>> blogged about it.
>>>
>>
>> Do you have a link? I would love to get my eyes on that :-P
>
> Sure.
>
> http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/kde-config-to-get-a-sql-backend/
>
Thanks!
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Peter Köhlmann
< snip >
> I would personally be interested in knowing why Moonlight requires Mono.
> Who decided on the design of 2.0?
>
That one is simple: Silverlight is based on .NET, and the only .NET
implementation on linux is Mono
Moonlight is actually working quite well. And I don't see any reason to
talk about it in the way you do
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Homer
> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>
> < snip >
>
>> I would personally be interested in knowing why Moonlight requires
>> Mono. Who decided on the design of 2.0?
>>
>
> That one is simple: Silverlight is based on .NET, and the only .NET
> implementation on linux is Mono
The same thing was said about Tomboy, until an ex-Novell employee ported
it to C++ and and Gtk (Gnote).
> Moonlight is actually working quite well. And I don't see any reason
> to talk about it in the way you do
The issue is the company whose technology it implements, not the code.
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Roy Schestowitz <newsg...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
> Here's an E-mail that I got some days ago (on the same topic):
>
> "I see that you were an avid SuSE fan! So was I. My first Linux
> distro was RH5.0. In Sept of 1998 I switched to SuSE and purchased
> newsgroup, which Novel took over, and one of the first messages they
> posted was that SuSE owners would, from then on, be required to get
> written permission, from a lady whose name I can't remember anymore,
> IF you wanted to create archival copies of your installation. I
> posted a message on the newsgroup reminding them of the terms of the
> GPL and how their new requirement
So your correspondent doesn't understand GPL. SuSE at the time, like
many other past and present Linux distributions, contained components
under a variety of licenses. This is OK under GPL--GPL allows GPL
software to be distributed alongside non-GPL software. If you want to
copy the complete distribution, you have to obey the licenses of ALL the
components. If any of those prohibit copying, you have to seek out
permission from the copyright owners of those portions in order to copy.
You are, however, free to make a copy of the distribution that omits
those components. For example, if your correspondent had wanted to make
an archival copy of his SuSE installation that just included the GPL
code, and code under other free or open source licenses, SuSE would not
have been able to tell him he could not.
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Tim Smith
<f65aed55-24bb-4096...@r39g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Miguel de Icaza <miguel....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> > Also note thatIcazahas already explicitly stated he aspires to
> > rewriting Gnome entirely in Mono:
>
> You guys keep religiously pointing out to that article from the
> Register from 2002 and always fail to post any references to my public
> correction that I issued to that article a few days later.
s/fail/deliberately omit/
>
> Let us bring the paranoia down a notch by reposting it here from:
You are dealing with people who suspect EPIC of being under Microsoft
control, because EPIC has raised privacy concerns over Google Books, and
one board member of EPIC has a Microsoft connection. Their paranoia has
gone beyond the point at which it is possible to bring it down. Their
threshold of suspicion is so low now that *any* Microsoft connection is
enough to trigger it.
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> On 2009-09-08, the following emerged from the brain of Peter Köhlmann:
>> Well, the idea was to put config data into a SQL database.
>> And, and this is real important, to have the choice to retain the file
>> config scheme KDE now has or use the database scheme.
>>
>> Again that "choice thingy" Hadron Snot Quark is so afraid of
>
> In a way it makes sense to put KDE's config in a database; after all
> it is a graphical environment, so most users will configure it through
> the graphical interfaces anyway. As long as this approach doesn't
> spread to actual system configuration I'm happy. I *don't* want to
> configure my web server though SQL queries :-p
Amarok uses databases too. JOINs must be faster that way... than many human-
readable text files. Are desktop settings so massive that they need a database?
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The Snot Leopard OS probably does not come with note-taking apps.
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> Verily I say unto thee, that Peter Köhlmann spake thusly:
>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>> I would personally be interested in knowing why Moonlight requires
>>> Mono. Who decided on the design of 2.0?
>>>
>>
>> That one is simple: Silverlight is based on .NET, and the only .NET
>> implementation on linux is Mono
>
> The same thing was said about Tomboy, until an ex-Novell employee ported
> it to C++ and and Gtk (Gnote).
>
>> Moonlight is actually working quite well. And I don't see any reason
>> to talk about it in the way you do
>
> The issue is the company whose technology it implements, not the code.
It promotes non-Free codecs, software, and de facto standards that are hidden and
always changing. There are also patents, which are owned by this company:
*Microsoft and A Patent Checkmate of My Dreams*
"Microsoft tried to auction off some patents that they claim relate to Linux.
Patent trolls could have bought them. Instead Open Invention Network (OIN) got
them. Why would Microsoft wish to get rid of 22 patents that it presumably could
sue Linux over? Let's try to imagine what might have happened.
"Let's pretend you are Microsoft, and you want to be evil. Of course, Microsoft
never would be. They are internationally known for fair dealing with all their
competition, particularly Linux. But let's pretend.
"OK. So you are Evil Microsoft and you decide it's too difficult and dangerous to
sue Linux yourself. Antitrust annoyances, counterclaims, and PR and all that. What
to do with that patent portfolio to really cause trouble for Linux, without having
your fingerprints all over it?
"Eureka! You could sell the patents to patent trolls, and let *them* be the bad
guys. Is that not perfect if you are evil? Not that Microsoft would ever be evil.
We all know there is a New Microsoft in the land."
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090908164954318
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Snit
7:07 PM:
...
>>> I have asked Rick which features he means - he has not replied. I am
>>> sure he will with a list.
>>
>> I have replied. Your memory suffers.
>
> The Snot Leopard OS probably does not come with note-taking apps.
Rick has still not responded to my post... though I did see where he showed
his "list" of one item. Rick cannot figure out how to get some right-click
functionality to work as he prefers, if I understood him correctly.
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As usual, you didn't.
The feature has not yet been put back into KDE4.
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It may for some people, but I have been using the desktop right-click
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Snit
7:29 PM:
>>>> Almost everything from 3.5 is already in 4.3 and _more_. It's
>>>> organised in a way that simplifies the GUIs, so for people who are
>>>> used to KDE 3.5 it may take time to relearn (I'm still learning knode
>>>> 4.3.1 for example, which is why I get links and linewraps wrong).
>>>>
>>> The biggest thing missing for me is Desktop Mouse Button Actions. For
>>> me, clicking on the desktop for your menus is much easier than moving
>>> to the top or bottom of the screen all the time.
>>
>> It pays off to set up keyboard shortcuts and use the mouse very little.
>>
> It may for some people, but I have been using the desktop right-click
> since fvwm.
And even if there are alternative ways, if you are used to one way it is an
annoyance to have it change. No doubt.
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7:28 PM:
So what was the feature?
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I think you can configure KDE to do this. It was possible in KDE3, IIRC. You can
even make a Mac OS X-like menu at the top.
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____/ Rick on Wednesday 09 Sep 2009 03:28 : \____
Look under settings->keyboard and mouse->standard keyboard shortcuts.
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Rick
I have told you directly in a post, and repeated it a couple of times
in this thread. Look it up.
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Rick
Desktop Mouse Actions, AFAIK, has not be added to KDE4 yet.
In KDE 3.5: Configure Desktop -> Behavior -> Mouse Button Actions.
or
Menu -> Settings -> Control Center -> Desktop -> Behavior -> Mouse Button
Actions
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this bit o' wisdom:
> "Fat operating systems spend most of their energy supporting their own fat."
> --Nicholas Negroponte, MIT Media Lab, rediff.com, Apr 2006
'nuff said.
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____/ Rick on Wednesday 09 Sep 2009 10:33 : \____
I see... what I do in these cases is file a "wishlist" bug to express desire. I
did a few this week.
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____/ Chris Ahlstrom on Wednesday 09 Sep 2009 12:38 : \____
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Roy Schestowitz belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> "Fat operating systems spend most of their energy supporting their own fat."
>> --Nicholas Negroponte, MIT Media Lab, rediff.com, Apr 2006
>
> 'nuff said.
He said this /BEFORE/ Vista was released. :-p
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Snit
2:23 AM:
Ah, you prefer to play games and not talk about Linux. OK.
Well, your list of one feature has been made - and you cannot even describe
what that feature does!
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... except I can and have.
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I have been hoping they would make it back in.. I guess I'll need to file
one too.
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Snit
3:44 PM:
>>>>> As usual, you didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> The feature has not yet been put back into KDE4.
>>>>
>>>> So what was the feature?
>>>
>>> I have told you directly in a post, and repeated it a couple of times
>>> in this thread. Look it up.
>>
>> Ah, you prefer to play games and not talk about Linux. OK.
>>
>> Well, your list of one feature has been made - and you cannot even
>> describe what that feature does!
>
> ... except I can and have.
But sadly you cannot find any evidence of your having done so... or you just
prefer to play games and not actually make a point. Either way, you have
left the topic behind. A shame - had you actually been a mature person this
could have been an interesting conversation.
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Snit... this a pathetic attempt by you to start another one of you
circuses.
I have specifically stated to you, in the last 2-3 days, some things that
I miss in KDE4. You replied to that. I have conversed with others about
those very same missing features.
.. and I have never seen you keep you end up in an interesting
conversation.
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Snit
4:19 PM:
> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:55:09 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> Rick stated in post yPudna0wCt9HsjXX...@supernews.com on
>> 9/9/09 3:44 PM:
>>
>>>>>>> As usual, you didn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The feature has not yet been put back into KDE4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what was the feature?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have told you directly in a post, and repeated it a couple of
>>>>> times in this thread. Look it up.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, you prefer to play games and not talk about Linux. OK.
>>>>
>>>> Well, your list of one feature has been made - and you cannot even
>>>> describe what that feature does!
>>>
>>> ... except I can and have.
>>
>> But sadly you cannot find any evidence of your having done so... or you
>> just prefer to play games and not actually make a point. Either way,
>> you have left the topic behind. A shame - had you actually been a
>> mature person this could have been an interesting conversation.
>
> Snit... this a pathetic attempt by you to start another one of you
> circuses.
Actually, I was hoping (not trusting, but hoping) that you would actually
try to rise above your normal level of silliness and have a conversation
that did not involve you trying to put others down to boost your own ego.
You could have done so by listing what it is in KDE 4.x that you think is
not done as well as is done in KDE 3.x. You did list *one* feature, but
that was not even in response to my question *and* you have not been able to
describe what the feature even does, no less why you think the new KDE does
not handle it as well.
This, of course, does not mean you are wrong about the feature, but you
clearly are not capable of explaining your views. Maybe you just read that
others were having problems with the feature. Who knows. But what is clear
is *you* were not able to rise to the level of having a reasoned and mature
conversation, even though I gave you yet another chance. And your reaction
- so typical for you and many others who do not respect themselves very much
- was to lash out against me. I, of course, did nothing wrong... but you
could not accept responsibility for your own weaknesses, so you blamed me.
> I have specifically stated to you, in the last 2-3 days, some things that
> I miss in KDE4. You replied to that. I have conversed with others about
> those very same missing features.
I do not believe you even responded to my message... but do not care enough
to double check. If you think you have shown what this feature is and have
explained why you think it is a loss to not have it, then point to the post
or copy and paste or re-word it.
But you will not. You prefer to accuse people of silly things and take the
focus off of Linux and OSS. Oh well.
> .. and I have never seen you keep you end up in an interesting
> conversation.
Someday you might find adult conversation interesting. Clearly you do not
now. No problem.
If your response just includes more of your bleating, consider yourself
getting the prize you speak of so fondly - getting the last word.
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Puts you in touch with the dev, too.
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