Nearly bankrupt Redhat stock price plunges
Ezekiel
approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
RED HAT INC
(NYSE: RHT)
Real-Time: 18.88 -1.25 (6.21%) 2:09PM ET
Andrew Halliwell
> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
raking it in.
I think I'm more likely to trust theregister than thetrollboy.
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Rick
> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
Where are the reports of bankruptcy? I'd like to read them.
>
>
> RED HAT INC
> (NYSE: RHT)
> Real-Time: 18.88 -1.25 (6.21%) 2:09PM ET
June 25, 2009
Open: 18.15
High: 19.32
Low: 18:11
Close: 19.29
After Hours: 19.09
Red Hat profits rise amid rivals' earnings losses
<http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39667240,00.htm>
Red Hat profit rises, bucks tech industry trend
<http://sg.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20090625/tbs-redhat-7318940.html>
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Rick
Ezekiel
> Ezekiel <Ze...@not-such-email.com> wrote:
>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>
> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
> raking it in.
>
You can't believe what the media shills are telling you. Several reliable
independent sources tell me that Redhat is approaching bankruptcy fast.
It's not a matter of if... it's a matter of when.
Ezekiel
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:44:59 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>
> Where are the reports of bankruptcy? I'd like to read them.
There are many reliable sources who are familiar with the company who say
that bankruptcy is all but certain. Don't let the media shills
and "analysts" fool you into believing that things are well at the
company - because they are not.
Lusotec
> Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>
>> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
>> raking it in.
>
> You can't believe what the media shills are telling you. Several reliable
> independent sources tell me that Redhat is approaching bankruptcy fast.
Would it be possible for you to post some kind of support for those claims?
> It's not a matter of if... it's a matter of when.
That is true for any company, sooner or (centuries) later!
Regards.
Peter Köhlmann
Those would certainly be the same "reliable sources" which tell flatfish
and Hadron Snot Quark several "secrets". Like "cut off testicles" and
other highly confidential lunacy
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Ezekiel
> Ezekiel wrote:
>> Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>>>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>>
>>> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
>>> raking it in.
>>
>> You can't believe what the media shills are telling you. Several reliable
>> independent sources tell me that Redhat is approaching bankruptcy fast.
>
> Would it be possible for you to post some kind of support for those
> claims?
Here's a partial transcript of the conference call. Note how how the Redhat
bosses twist and lie to avoid answering truthfully.
<quote>
Forget the double-digit growth numbers headlining many articles in the
press. In the last three months, Red Hat deferred revenue grew only $24
million (4%) or $3 million (flat) depending on how you look at it. This
exchange between a financial analyst and Red Hat includes the detail:
Sarah Friar: And then just on the numbers, the difference� in deferred
revenue on the cash flow statement versus what we can see on the balance
sheet, is that all just a currency difference.
�Charlie Peters: � on the deferred revenue, let me just add a little bit
(to what was said earlier in the conference call). The question is, the
change in the deferred revenue, if you [take it] up the balance sheet, it?
s about $24 million. The change in deferred revenue if you look at the cash
flow statement, it�s about $3 (million), and part of it is currency, part
of it is US dollar.
I�m sure it does if you�re a CFO like Charlie Peters. But the net of it is
that Red Hat **dodged** another analyst�s question on the new vs. renewal
subscription business and its services/training business was down again
sequentially.
Then there is all the blogoblather about Red Hat being acquired.
</quote>
http://seekingalpha.com/article/145443-is-red-hat-a-meaningful-takeover-candidate
It's no wonder Redhat wants to be acquired. They need to do something before
the entire ponzi scheme collapses down upon them.
Rick
So, it is OK for -YOU- to quote unnamed "reliable" sources?
Real-time: 10:01AM EDT
+0.05 (0.26%)
19.38
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Rick
Rick
> Rick wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:44:59 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>
>>
>> Where are the reports of bankruptcy? I'd like to read them.
>
> There are many reliable sources who are familiar with the company who
> say that bankruptcy is all but certain. Don't let the media shills and
> "analysts" fool you into believing that things are well at the company -
> because they are not.
And who are these many reliable sources?
.. and who are the shills... the Wall Street guys that set the
expectations, or the people that reported Red Hat beating the
expectations?
19.35
+0.06 (0.31%)
Real-time: 10:04AM EDT
>
>>> RED HAT INC
>>> (NYSE: RHT)
>>> Real-Time: 18.88 -1.25 (6.21%) 2:09PM ET
>>
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Rick
cc
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:31:37 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
> > Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>
> >>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
> >>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>
> >> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
> >> raking it in.
>
> > You can't believe what the media shills are telling you. Several
> > reliable independent sources tell me that Redhat is approaching
> > bankruptcy fast. It's not a matter of if... it's a matter of when.
>
> So, it is OK for -YOU- to quote unnamed "reliable" sources?
>
Haha, no it's not OK. That's his point. When have you (or anyone else
in this thread) ever called out Roy for unnamed sources? But when
Ezekiel does a parody...
By the way, that paragraph about the media shills has to be one of the
best (albeit written) impressions of Roy ever.
Rick
> On Jun 26, 10:03 am, Rick <n...@nomail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:31:37 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>> > Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>>
>> >> Ezekiel <Z...@not-such-email.com> wrote:
>> >>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat
>> >>> is approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>
>> >> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat
>> >> was raking it in.
>>
>> > You can't believe what the media shills are telling you. Several
>> > reliable independent sources tell me that Redhat is approaching
>> > bankruptcy fast. It's not a matter of if... it's a matter of when.
>>
>> So, it is OK for -YOU- to quote unnamed "reliable" sources?
>>
>>
>
> Haha, no it's not OK. That's his point. When have you (or anyone else in
> this thread) ever called out Roy for unnamed sources? But when Ezekiel
> does a parody...
I don't read many of Roy's post. Very, very few, actually.
>
> By the way, that paragraph about the media shills has to be one of the
> best (albeit written) impressions of Roy ever.
Parody, huh?
--
Rick
Hadron
> On Jun 26, 10:03 am, Rick <n...@nomail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:31:37 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>> > Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>>
>> >> Ezekiel <Z...@not-such-email.com> wrote:
>> >>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>> >>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>
>> >> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
>> >> raking it in.
>>
>> > You can't believe what the media shills are telling you. Several
>> > reliable independent sources tell me that Redhat is approaching
>> > bankruptcy fast. It's not a matter of if... it's a matter of when.
>>
>> So, it is OK for -YOU- to quote unnamed "reliable" sources?
>>
>
>
> Haha, no it's not OK. That's his point. When have you (or anyone else
> in this thread) ever called out Roy for unnamed sources? But when
> Ezekiel does a parody...
Rick is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. It went right over his
little pointy head.
>
> By the way, that paragraph about the media shills has to be one of the
> best (albeit written) impressions of Roy ever.
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Andrew Halliwell
> Rick wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:44:59 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>
>
>> Where are the reports of bankruptcy? I'd like to read them.
>
> There are many reliable sources who are familiar with the company who say
> that bankruptcy is all but certain. Don't let the media shills
> and "analysts" fool you into believing that things are well at the
> company - because they are not.
He didn't ask WHAT they are.
He asked where they are.
Maybe he wants to see them for himself in order to assertain their
reliability FIRST hand, rather than on the heresay of a know microsoft
apologist and troll.
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Rick
> Ezekiel <Ze...@not-such-email.com> wrote:
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:44:59 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>>>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>>
>>>
>>> Where are the reports of bankruptcy? I'd like to read them.
>>
>> There are many reliable sources who are familiar with the company who
>> say that bankruptcy is all but certain. Don't let the media shills and
>> "analysts" fool you into believing that things are well at the company
>> - because they are not.
>
> He didn't ask WHAT they are.
> He asked where they are.
> Maybe he wants to see them for himself in order to assertain their
> reliability FIRST hand, rather than on the heresay of a know microsoft
> apologist and troll.
Thank You.
--
Rick
Hans Lister
> Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>>
>>> Ezekiel <Ze...@not-such-email.com> wrote:
>>>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>>>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>>
>>> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
>>> raking it in.
>>>
>>
>> You can't believe what the media shills are telling you. Several
>> reliable independent sources tell me that Redhat is approaching
>> bankruptcy fast. It's not a matter of if... it's a matter of when.
>
> Those would certainly be the same "reliable sources" which tell flatfish
> and Hadron Snot Quark several "secrets". Like "cut off testicles" and
> other highly confidential lunacy
No reliable source is needed for "cut off testicles".
Just Google Schestowitz !
Hans Lister
You sucked them right in Zeke !!!!
Haha!
See them defending the Messiah Roy Spermowitz..
Ezekiel
> Ezekiel <Ze...@not-such-email.com> wrote:
>> Rick wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 07:44:59 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>>>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>>
>>
>>> Where are the reports of bankruptcy? I'd like to read them.
>>
>> There are many reliable sources who are familiar with the company who say
>> that bankruptcy is all but certain. Don't let the media shills
>> and "analysts" fool you into believing that things are well at the
>> company - because they are not.
>
> He didn't ask WHAT they are.
> He asked where they are.
> Maybe he wants to see them for himself in order to assertain their
> reliability FIRST hand, rather than on the heresay of a know microsoft
> apologist and troll.
The munchkins are trying to blur the facts and bury the truth. It is best to
ignore them. Redhat works /with/ analysts to only put out the message they
want you to hear. The relevant facts on the matter prove that Redhat does
have huge financial problems. Here is some proof of this:
<quote>
But since Redhat is approaching bankruptcy ....
</quote>
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c1e8e4c555babfb4?hl=en
Rick
I am not defending Roy. I want to know where I can read of Red Hat's
bankruptcy problems. And if Ezekiel is trying to run "a praody".. ah,
well.. it isn't the first time I've gone for something hook, line and
sinker... but I still want to read about the supposed bankruptcy.
--
Rick
Rick
Red Hat, Inc. (Public, NYSE:RHT)
19.55
+0.26 (1.35%)
Real-time: 11:10AM EDT
.. yeah.. plunging.
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Rick
Matt
What is the extent of your short position for RHT then?
Just how many shares are you shorting?
Ezekiel
Redhat buys back it's own shares to artificially prop up its own stock
price. This lets greedy company insiders to dump stock at a much higher
profit.
Redhat publically admits to buying back $100's millions of its own shares.
Don't be fooled by the artificial blip in the stock price. There is much
trouble beneath the fake veneer.
<quote>
US - In November 2008, the board of Red Hat Inc, a developer of Linux and
open source solution software, authorized the repurchase of up to $250 mil
of its common stock outstanding in open market or privately negotiated
transactions.
</quote>
http://www.alacrastore.com/storecontent/Thomson_M&A/Red_Hat_Inc_intends_a_stock_buyback-2028177020
Matt
That is "proof" of nothing.
The charts I make at finance.yahoo.com show that RHT is doing as well or
better than NASDAQ in 3m, 6m, 1y, 2y, 5y, and max time frames.
Andrew Halliwell
> I am not defending Roy.
How can "I don't read many of roy's posts" be construed as "defending roy"?
You gotta love the sophistry and deceipt that drips from every word flatfish
speaks and writes, haven't you?
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Ezekiel
When a small company like Redhat goes into debt in order to buy $100's of
millions of it's own shares so that insiders can dump their stock on the
open market is a strong indication that a major collapse is just around the
corner.
Rick
So, now you are saying that a2008 buyback affected the stock price this
morning...
...and that a stock price dip yesterday means RH is going bankrupt, but
an upswing this morning means they are buying back... and going
bankrupt....
--
Rick
Rick
> Rick <no...@nomail.com> wrote:
>> I am not defending Roy.
>
> How can "I don't read many of roy's posts" be construed as "defending
> roy"? You gotta love the sophistry and deceipt that drips from every
> word flatfish speaks and writes, haven't you?
Dunno... I guess flat thinks challenging Ezekiel is the same as defending
Roy.
--
Rick
Ezekiel
I never said this so why are you making these idiotic statements? No offense
Rick and don't take this personally but you can be incredibly stupid at
times.
Instead of posting and defending all things Linux perhaps you should read...
think... and then repeat before posting.
Let me spell it out for you:
The $250 million stock buy-back was *authorized* in November 2008. And guess
what - Redhat didn't buy all $250 million worth of stock the next day.
Instead of making idiotic assumptions you should read the financial
statement that Redhat issued the other day and see how many $10's of
millions they spent in recent weeks buying back their own stock.
GPS
> change in the deferred revenue, if you [take it] up the balance sheet, it�
> s about $24 million. The change in deferred revenue if you look at the
> cash flow statement, it�s about $3 (million), and part of it is currency,
> part of it is US dollar.
>
> I�m sure it does if you�re a CFO like Charlie Peters. But the net of it is
> that Red Hat **dodged** another analyst�s question on the new vs. renewal
> subscription business and its services/training business was down again
> sequentially.
>
> Then there is all the blogoblather about Red Hat being acquired.
> </quote>
> http://seekingalpha.com/article/145443-is-red-hat-a-meaningful-takeover-
candidate
>
>
> It's no wonder Redhat wants to be acquired. They need to do something
> before the entire ponzi scheme collapses down upon them.
If this is true, then it's unfortunate. Redhat holds important interests
and funds developers that contribute to technology for all distributions.
Redhat bought Cygnus Solutions, and they at the time were offering a variety
of GNU products and custom solutions. From what I understood they were
profitable. They then proceeded to dismantle what Cygnus was, and they
brought in their own ideas. I understood that some people left or were let
go at that time.
Redhat used to offer a desktop version of Linux, but as the popularity of
that grew the support costs became enormous. Redhat has made some notable
mistakes, and they have at times not interacted well with some communities
that develop software, which has resulted in bad patches, and new bugs in
Redhat branches of some software.
I used Redhat Linux years ago, but as they grew at what seemed an enormous
rate, I became disappointed by the quality of their product at the time.
When they later dropped the desktop Linux and went for a more "enterprise"
approach I was surprised. I have watched at RHAD labs was formed, and
people like Miguel (behind Mono) seem to go off into left field. I saw how
they hired the "Rasterman" and he added pixmap themes to Gtk+. That was
pretty neat, until the realization that Gtk+ leaked memory. Back then GNOME
was like a pile of crap on a good day, and there wasn't much to it. Most of
the tools that Redhat used were written in Python and used Tkinter. The
GIMP was the most significant Gtk+ application. Most of the commercial
software at the time used Motif. The Linux magazines had ads for Motif,
commercial X servers, Cygnus' GNU Pro, and other things that looking back
would be frowned upon by some people like Richard Stallman.
As Redhat has grown they have followed certain industry archetypes. They
have abandon the old tools they wrote in Python, and now GNOME is mostly
written in C or C++ as I understand it. When they received a massive amount
of funding from Intel at first there were some growing pains, and it seems
that overall the process and development has actually slowed. When I have
read about the quality of the latest Fedora, and the known bugs listed on
their website, it's somewhat disturbing that they are calling such a set of
software a "release."
I wonder what has happened to some of the original Redhat developers. I
would imagine that they now have very nice cars, and houses, but as with all
things in this life, they are impermanent.
-George
Hans Lister
Nice write up GPS !
My personal feeling is that the split off with Fedora coupled
with Redhat publicly saying there was no money/interest in a
consumer Linux desktop hurt them.
Their services pricing also seems very high when you consider
that they are essentially the new kids on the block. IOW you
can't compare what an IBM or HP charges.
Then of course there is the Ubuntu craze.
I dunno what's going on with Redhat but it wouldn't surprise me
to see IBM buy them out.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>>
>>> Ezekiel <Ze...@not-such-email.com> wrote:
>>>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>>>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>>
>>> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
>>> raking it in.
>>
>> You can't believe what the media shills are telling you. Several
>> reliable independent sources tell me that Redhat is approaching
>> bankruptcy fast. It's not a matter of if... it's a matter of when.
>
> Those would certainly be the same "reliable sources" which tell flatfish
> and Hadron Snot Quark several "secrets". Like "cut off testicles" and
> other highly confidential lunacy
Zeke engaging in unadulterated lying? Say it ain't so!
Or maybe Zeke has "Anonymous Insider" info that Microsoft is going to "take
out" Red Hat with a patent suit?
Zeke and his fellows are absolute loons.
--
Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
A: To see his friend Gregory peck.
Q: Why did the chicken cross the playground?
A: To get to the other slide.
Tim Smith
Andrew Halliwell <spi...@ponder.sky.com> wrote:
> Ezekiel <Ze...@not-such-email.com> wrote:
> > Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
> > approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>
> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
> raking it in.
>
> I think I'm more likely to trust theregister than thetrollboy.
1. Microsoft is doing better than Redhat by pretty much every normal
financial test.
2. Microsoft is fast approaching bankruptcy, according to prominent COLA
posters.
3. Therefore Redhat must be on the brink too.
Get it now?
--
--Tim Smith
Hans Lister
> Or maybe Zeke has "Anonymous Insider" info that Microsoft is going to "take
> out" Red Hat with a patent suit?
No.
That would be your master, Roy Schestowitz.
> Zeke and his fellows are absolute loons.
Compared to you, MiniWitz, Schestowitz, 7, [Homer], Terry Porter
and a few others, we are quite normal.
Tim Smith
Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
> Zeke engaging in unadulterated lying? Say it ain't so!
>
> Or maybe Zeke has "Anonymous Insider" info that Microsoft is going to "take
> out" Red Hat with a patent suit?
>
> Zeke and his fellows are absolute loons.
He just took several common Schestowitz themes (Microsoft is losing
money and rapidly approaching bankruptcy, he's got inside info that the
press is ignoring, etc) and did s/Microsoft/Redhat/g.
No surprise you don't appear to have a problem when Roy purposefully
misreports financial information, but do have a problem when Ezekiel
parodies that.
--
--Tim Smith
Ezekiel
The favorite post of mine is this one where I supply "proof" that Redhat is
going bankrupt.
<quote>
The munchkins are trying to blur the facts and bury the truth. It is best to
ignore them. Redhat works /with/ analysts to only put out the message they
want you to hear. The relevant facts on the matter prove that Redhat does
have huge financial problems. Here is some proof of this:
<quote>
But since Redhat is approaching bankruptcy ....
</quote>
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/c1e8e4c555babfb4?hl=en
</quote>
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/b1c9b67c4e290eac?hl=en
chrisv
>Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
>A: To see his friend Gregory peck.
>
>Q: Why did the chicken cross the playground?
>A: To get to the other slide.
Q: How can you tell that chickens have been feeding?
A: By the lip-prints on the ground.
Chickens have lips!?!?!?!
Rick
> stupid at times.(snip)
Your words:
"Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
RED HAT INC
(NYSE: RHT)
Real-Time: 18.88 -1.25 (6.21%) 2:09PM ET"
.. yet the stock finished up from that figure. How does that indicate
imminent bankruptcy?
Stock goes down in the middle of the day... you say it's because of
approaching bankruptcy. Stock goes, you say it's because of buy backs,
which mean approaching bankruptcy. Up. Down. Doesn't matter.
--
Rick
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Ezekiel wrote:
>> Andrew Halliwell wrote:
>>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>>>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>>>
>>> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
>>> raking it in.
>>
>> You can't believe what the media shills are telling you. Several reliable
>> independent sources tell me that Redhat is approaching bankruptcy fast.
>
> Would it be possible for you to post some kind of support for those claims?
>
>> It's not a matter of if... it's a matter of when.
>
> That is true for any company, sooner or (centuries) later!
So then Zeke, like DFS, is not lying!
:-D
--
Your nature demands love and your happiness depends on it.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <fb81m.3639$Uf1...@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
How do /you/ make that distinction, Tim?
Ah, I see. You empathize more with Zeke! I understand now.
Roy lies, Zeke parodies. I get it! :-D
Laughable spin from Tim Smith.
--
The lunatic, the lover, and the poet,
Are of imagination all compact...
-- Wm. Shakespeare, "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Rats, I confused lips and hips:
http://www.metrolyrics.com/ufo-has-landed-in-the-ghetto-lyrics-ry-cooder.html
Lonesome outerspace invader blasting through the night
Tuning in the soul music on the satellite
All that low-down funky rhythm makes him jump and shout
Just got to find that ghetto planet that everyone's talkin' about
Tuning in the local scene on the radio
The D.J. on the radar screen is telling him where to go
The funky fever's getting louder, sounds just like a soul encounter
Cruisin' for some bar-b-que right up Central Avenue
And he's got a little dance he wants to do
<Imagine the Moon Walk <sigh> here>
He pulls up to a big night club in his UFO
Gets right in with all the folks out on the big dance floor
It really stops the action, everybody's mystified
To see that little step he's got as he goes glidin' by
<Right here, a funky voice-over:>
Now, he ain't doin' the Gigolo 'cause he ain't got no hips
Looks like the Funky Chicken man, 'cept he ain't got no hips <lips?>
Those shiny metal threads he's wearin' really got some class
I'd say he was doin' the Bomp, but I can't seem to find his ass
Now, everybody fall in love
He's reet, he's neat, he can't be beat
You shake your shimmy like I shake mine
He's hand held and he's jet propelled
Shake it up from sun to sun
He's fast and loose, he's full of juice
Shake it like an atomic bomb
He's got the goose so what's the use
That UFO has landed in the ghetto
I like Ry Cooder a lot. Not only stuff like the above, but his
team-ups with various world-music artists like Ali Farka Toure and
V.M. Bhatt.
--
He draweth out the thread of his verbosity finer than the staple of his
argument.
-- William Shakespeare, "Love's Labour's Lost"
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <qtpeh6-...@ponder.sky.com>,
Yeah. More "Tim Logic". LOL.
--
Are you ever going to do the dishes? Or will you change your major to biology?
Matt
Not everybody has the same business acumen as you.
So how many RHT shares are you short?
Matt
Show that they are going into debt.
Matt
> In article <qtpeh6-...@ponder.sky.com>,
> Andrew Halliwell <spi...@ponder.sky.com> wrote:
>
>> Ezekiel <Ze...@not-such-email.com> wrote:
>>> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains. But since Redhat is
>>> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
>> How odd... Just yesterday theregister was going on about how redhat was
>> raking it in.
>>
>> I think I'm more likely to trust theregister than thetrollboy.
>
> 1. Microsoft is doing better than Redhat by pretty much every normal
> financial test.
Not by stock price or growth of investment. Charts at finance.yahoo.com
show that RHT is outdoing MSFT in the 1d, 5d, 6m, 1y, 2y, 5y, and max
time frames. MSFT is doing a little better in the past three months.
MSFT is not doing better by revenue growth either.
Just what normal financial tests do you mean?
Sinister Midget III
> 1. Microsoft
Good for you. And them. Now get lost.
--
No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in Outer Space.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Eee PC900 16G SSD 2G RAM Ubuntu 9.04
Sinister Midget III
> You
You sure beg for Andrew's attention a lot.
--
I wake near the end of the day.
Tim Smith
Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> > He just took several common Schestowitz themes (Microsoft is losing
> > money and rapidly approaching bankruptcy, he's got inside info that the
> > press is ignoring, etc) and did s/Microsoft/Redhat/g.
> >
> > No surprise you don't appear to have a problem when Roy purposefully
> > misreports financial information, but do have a problem when Ezekiel
> > parodies that.
>
> How do /you/ make that distinction, Tim?
See the first paragraph above. He copied several Roy arguments and
swapped Microsoft and Redhat. He even copied the temporal aspects of how
Roy develops his stories over time.
--
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
Matt <ma...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:
> >
> > When a small company like Redhat goes into debt
>
>
> Show that they are going into debt.
They have been in debt since 2004, and will be in debt until 2024
(assuming that they have no other debt obligations--which is probably a
poor assumption):
<http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/wire/story/1156844/>
This means, according to our resident financial experts from the UK,
that they must be failing.
--
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
Ezekiel <Ze...@not-such-email-addr.com> wrote:
>
> The favorite post of mine is this one where I supply "proof" that Redhat is
> going bankrupt.
Yes, that was pretty good. You've gotten Roy's system down almost
perfectly:
1. Misrepresent stock market movements
2. Report debt obligations (such as bonds) in a way to imply
that the debtor is in the red
3. Reassert earlier unsubstantiated claims, citing the earlier
appearance of those claims as a source, knowing that Chris^H^H^H^H^H
your fans won't check, and won't believe anyone who does check
4. Assert that stock buybacks indicate major problems
5. Assert there is a conspiracy to suppress the truth
--
--Tim Smith
Rex Ballard
> Big up day in the market with triple-digit gains.
> But since Redhat is
> approaching bankruptcy its stock price plunges.
RHT - November 20th, 2008 - 7.89 per share.
RHT - June 12th, 2009 - 20.79 per share.
Not that surprising that there's a little bit of profit taking.
Still, I wish I'd bought about 1000 shares back in November, or at
least some options on 1000 shares at $8/share. Unfortunately I was
still dealing with some medical bills at that time.
Rick
> In article <fb81m.3639$Uf1...@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>
>> Zeke engaging in unadulterated lying? Say it ain't so!
>>
>> Or maybe Zeke has "Anonymous Insider" info that Microsoft is going to
>> "take out" Red Hat with a patent suit?
>>
>> Zeke and his fellows are absolute loons.
>
> He just took several common Schestowitz themes (Microsoft is losing
> money and rapidly approaching bankruptcy, he's got inside info that the
> press is ignoring, etc) and did s/Microsoft/Redhat/g.
Parody hmm ... like I said before, I've been hook, line and sinkered
before ...
Ah, well.. at least I can laugh at myself when needed...
>
> No surprise you don't appear to have a problem when Roy purposefully
> misreports financial information, but do have a problem when Ezekiel
> parodies that.
--
Rick
Hans Lister
Yea, it went right over their heads.
Notice how MiniWitz was right on the scene the minute Roy
Schestowitz's name was mentioned.
Lusotec
> Lusotec wrote:
>> Ezekiel wrote:
>>> reliable independent sources tell me that Redhat is approaching
>>> bankruptcy fast.
>>
>> Would it be possible for you to post some kind of support for those
>> claims?
>
> Redhat bosses twist and lie to avoid answering truthfully.
>
> <quote>
> </quote>
>http://seekingalpha.com/article/145443-is-red-hat-a-meaningful-takeover
>-candidate
RedHat may or may not be near bankruptcy but the article pointed by the
above link is hardly indicative, either way. In the current economic
climate bad numbers are hardly rare in IT (and everywhere else).
Also, if the values in the article
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/25/redhat_fq12010_numbers/
are correct then RedHat still has a far amount of reserves to stay afloat
for some time, even if their situation degrades more than is shown in the
expected numbers. None of the articles support a "nearly bankrupt"
scenerio.
> It's no wonder Redhat wants to be acquired.
There are many possible reason why "Redhat wants to be acquired" or why it
is buying back shares and it hardly is an indication of "nearly bankrupt".
> They need to do something before the entire ponzi scheme collapses down
> upon them.
Ponzi scheme? Now you are making it up! :)
Regards.
Hadron
Yup. Tail wagging and nose right up his butt. I tell you, his behaviour
give me the willies. Downright creepy for a grown man to humiliate
himself so.
--
In view of all the deadly computer viruses that have been spreading
lately, Weekend Update would like to remind you: when you link up to
another computer, you’re linking up to every computer that that
computer has ever linked up to. — Dennis Miller
Snit
6/26/09 2:01 PM:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:33:45 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:
>
>> In article <fb81m.3639$Uf1...@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Zeke engaging in unadulterated lying? Say it ain't so!
>>>
>>> Or maybe Zeke has "Anonymous Insider" info that Microsoft is going to
>>> "take out" Red Hat with a patent suit?
>>>
>>> Zeke and his fellows are absolute loons.
>>
>> He just took several common Schestowitz themes (Microsoft is losing
>> money and rapidly approaching bankruptcy, he's got inside info that the
>> press is ignoring, etc) and did s/Microsoft/Redhat/g.
>
> Parody hmm ... like I said before, I've been hook, line and sinkered
> before ...
> Ah, well.. at least I can laugh at myself when needed...
Can you laugh at your silliness in saying Windows is suffering from a
"limitation" for not matching your middle-click pasting preferences?
I know I can. :)
--
[INSERT .SIG HERE]
Hans Lister
It went right over MiniWitz's head.
Both of them.
Once again in his need to defend his master, the Messiah, Roy
Schestowitz, MiniWitz has cocked up.
Hans Lister
> Hans Lister <stym...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:33:45 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:
>>
>>> In article <fb81m.3639$Uf1...@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Zeke engaging in unadulterated lying? Say it ain't so!
>>>>
>>>> Or maybe Zeke has "Anonymous Insider" info that Microsoft is going to "take
>>>> out" Red Hat with a patent suit?
>>>>
>>>> Zeke and his fellows are absolute loons.
>>>
>>> He just took several common Schestowitz themes (Microsoft is losing
>>> money and rapidly approaching bankruptcy, he's got inside info that the
>>> press is ignoring, etc) and did s/Microsoft/Redhat/g.
>>>
>>> No surprise you don't appear to have a problem when Roy purposefully
>>> misreports financial information, but do have a problem when Ezekiel
>>> parodies that.
>>
>> Yea, it went right over their heads.
>>
>> Notice how MiniWitz was right on the scene the minute Roy
>> Schestowitz's name was mentioned.
>
> Yup. Tail wagging and nose right up his butt. I tell you, his behaviour
> give me the willies. Downright creepy for a grown man to humiliate
> himself so.
It's sad what an obsession with Linux can do to a person.
Tim Smith
Hans Lister <stym...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> It went right over MiniWitz's head.
> Both of them.
>
> Once again in his need to defend his master, the Messiah, Roy
> Schestowitz, MiniWitz has cocked up.
It didn't go over his head. He is deliberately not getting it in order
to troll. Time to ignore him.
--
--Tim Smith
Hans Lister
Hadron had MiniWitz figured out a long time ago.
I guess I just didn't want to believe it.
Turns out to be true though.
Matt
> In article <WZ91m.1507$xH4...@newsfe04.iad>,
> Matt <ma...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:
>>> When a small company like Redhat goes into debt
>>
>> Show that they are going into debt.
>
> They have been in debt since 2004, and will be in debt until 2024
> (assuming that they have no other debt obligations--which is probably a
> poor assumption):
I would say it is also probably a poor assumption that they haven't
bought back any of those bonds from 2004.
> <http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/wire/story/1156844/>
>
> This means, according to our resident financial experts from the UK,
That's fair in a way.
Tim Smith
Matt <ma...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This means, according to our resident financial experts from the UK,
>
>
> That's fair in a way.
What you may have missed about Ezekiel's argument is that he's taking a
whole series of claims, mostly from Schestowitz, about how Microsoft is
in financial trouble, and quite faithfully applying them to Redhat.
Every bogus thing Ezekiel has said about Redhat in these recent posts
maps to one of the anti-Microsoft claims.
--
--Tim Smith
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <WZ91m.1507$xH4...@newsfe04.iad>,
That's from 2004. Now?
http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/10/red-hat-two-milestones-worth-noting/
Doesn't mention good or bad about debt, though.
--
Q: Why was Stonehenge abandoned?
A: It wasn't IBM compatible.
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <9291m.3675$Uf1....@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
Again, I ask you, how do you know that Zeke intended parody?
--
You will feel hungry again in another hour.
RonB
There was an article in Google or Yahoo yesterday, detailing how Red Hat
continues to expand during a recession.
Don't WinTrolls realize that there has to be *some* truth in their lies
to make them "convincing?"
Or maybe that was the reason for the FUD -- jealousy at another's success.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <crwojqd7i3cr$.v6kedmt1...@40tude.net>,
> Hans Lister <stym...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> It went right over MiniWitz's head.
>> Both of them.
Nah. You see, even if Zeke /is/ parodying, Zeke knows that his post could
be taken seriously by someone unfamiliar with the give-and-take here in
COLA. So he figures he can't lose -- he can lie all he wants, and, if
called on it, claim it is a parody.
Sort of like Hadron insulting someone, then claiming it was "a joke".
>> Once again in his need to defend his master, the Messiah, Roy
>> Schestowitz, MiniWitz has cocked up.
And Tim will support whatever claim Zeke makes with all the sophistry at his
command, including referencing obsolete data.
> It didn't go over his head. He is deliberately not getting it in order
> to troll. Time to ignore him.
So, Tim, are you parodying now, or trolling?
--
"Elves and Dragons!" I says to him. "Cabbages and potatoes are better
for you and me."
-- J. R. R. Tolkien
Hans Lister
>
> That's from 2004. Now?
Interesting that you don't seem to complain about your master,
the Messiah, Roy Schestowitz, posting stuff from 1991 and
articles talking about loki and Wordperfect 8 downloads that are
so out of date it's not even reasonable.
But of course that's why we call you MiniWitz !
Tim Smith
Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> >> Show that they are going into debt.
> >
> > They have been in debt since 2004, and will be in debt until 2024
> > (assuming that they have no other debt obligations--which is probably a
> > poor assumption):
> >
> > <http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/wire/story/1156844/>
> >
> > This means, according to our resident financial experts from the UK,
> > that they must be failing.
>
> That's from 2004. Now?
Yes, the debt securities were issued in 2004. They will be paid back by
2024. Last I checked 2009 < 2024. I've verified this by hand, on my
abacus, on my calculator, and with Mathematica. Hence, Redhat is in debt
to the holders of those securities.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. It is a perfectly normal
thing for a company to do. Even a company raking in cash often finds it
advantageous to issue debt securities, for numerous reasons.
The fact is Redhat is doing fine (as is Microsoft).
--
--Tim Smith
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <qHf1m.60042$qa.3...@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> >> Show that they are going into debt.
>> >
>> > They have been in debt since 2004, and will be in debt until 2024
>> > (assuming that they have no other debt obligations--which is probably a
>> > poor assumption):
>> >
>> > <http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/wire/story/1156844/>
>> >
>> > This means, according to our resident financial experts from the UK,
>> > that they must be failing.
>>
>> That's from 2004. Now?
>
> Yes, the debt securities were issued in 2004. They will be paid back by
> 2024. Last I checked 2009 < 2024. I've verified this by hand, on my
> abacus, on my calculator, and with Mathematica. Hence, Redhat is in debt
> to the holders of those securities.
How do you know they haven't already paid them back (if it is an advantage
to pay them off early)?
> Not that there's anything wrong with that. It is a perfectly normal
> thing for a company to do. Even a company raking in cash often finds it
> advantageous to issue debt securities, for numerous reasons.
>
> The fact is Redhat is doing fine (as is Microsoft).
I don't Microsoft thinks it is doing fine by Microsoft's criteria.
Which may include "killing" RedHat.
--
You will be run over by a beer truck.
cc
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Tim Smith belched out
> this bit o' wisdom:
>
> > Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> >> > He just took several common Schestowitz themes (Microsoft is losing
> >> > money and rapidly approaching bankruptcy, he's got inside info that the
> >> > press is ignoring, etc) and did s/Microsoft/Redhat/g.
>
> >> > No surprise you don't appear to have a problem when Roy purposefully
> >> > misreports financial information, but do have a problem when Ezekiel
> >> > parodies that.
>
> >> How do /you/ make that distinction, Tim?
>
> > See the first paragraph above. He copied several Roy arguments and
> > swapped Microsoft and Redhat. He even copied the temporal aspects of how
> > Roy develops his stories over time.
>
> Again, I ask you, how do you know that Zeke intended parody?
>
Because it's obvious. But if you want to play Sarah Palin to Zeke's
Dave Letterman, by all means continue.
cc
>
> Nah. You see, even if Zeke /is/ parodying, Zeke knows that his post could
> be taken seriously by someone unfamiliar with the give-and-take here in
> COLA. So he figures he can't lose -- he can lie all he wants, and, if
> called on it, claim it is a parody.
It was only like 4 posts in before we were saying how good of a parody
it was. If someone unfamiliar with COLA asked about his post, it would
have been explained. Whether you continue to misrepresent Ezekiel's
post, or whether you accept it as the parody it is, the point still
stands about the treatment of everything Roy posts as gospel, and the
healthy skepticism towards everyone else's posts.
Hadron
Ezekiel
"Hadron" <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:h284oo$asj$2...@news.motzarella.org...
The fact that I reference my own post (like Schestowitz) minutes after
making it as some sort of "proof" to backup my assertion seems to
completely escape him
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> On Jun 26, 10:57�pm, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstr...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
Too bad Zeke himself killed your defense in other posts, MiniZeke.
--
You have a strong appeal for members of your own sex.
Tim Smith
Chris Ahlstrom <ahls...@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> > Yes, the debt securities were issued in 2004. They will be paid back by
> > 2024. Last I checked 2009 < 2024. I've verified this by hand, on my
> > abacus, on my calculator, and with Mathematica. Hence, Redhat is in debt
> > to the holders of those securities.
>
> How do you know they haven't already paid them back (if it is an advantage
> to pay them off early)?
They have retired some of them, it appears, by converting them to stock.
They still show plenty in their SEC filings, though.
--
--Tim Smith
Tim Smith
Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> See the first paragraph above. He copied several Roy arguments and
> >> swapped Microsoft and Redhat. He even copied the temporal aspects of how
> >> Roy develops his stories over time.
> >
> > Again, I ask you, how do you know that Zeke intended parody?
>
> Can you really be such a dumb arse?
Ezekiel is smart enough that if we wanted to actually allege the Redhat
was going down the tubes, he'd be able to present a coherent argument.
He would make a nearly 1-for-1 copy (in both the form of the individual
arguments, and in the temporal evolution of them) of all of Roy's
financially bogus arguments.
The only mistake he made is thinking that people who think "fuck off" is
an argument would be able to get something subtle.
--
--Tim Smith
Hans Lister
It went right over their heads.
And MiniWitz was right there on the front line defending
Schestowitz as usual.
Of course he didn't read the post either so he was sucked in as
well.
cc
>
What other posts? I fixed your asinine post by the way.
Hadron
He sucked up you mean.
But Tim is right. The same two faced little hypocrite who wrings his
hands and asks who will be nice to the children did indeed tell someone
to "fuck off" That's up there with calling OSS developers "fuckheads"
and "cunts".
Chris Ahlstrom
this bit o' wisdom:
> In article <h284oo$asj$2...@news.motzarella.org>,
> Hadron <hadro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> See the first paragraph above. He copied several Roy arguments and
>> >> swapped Microsoft and Redhat. He even copied the temporal aspects of how
>> >> Roy develops his stories over time.
>> >
>> > Again, I ask you, how do you know that Zeke intended parody?
>>
>> Can you really be such a dumb arse?
>
> Ezekiel is smart enough that if we wanted to actually allege the Redhat
> was going down the tubes, he'd be able to present a coherent argument.
> He would make a nearly 1-for-1 copy (in both the form of the individual
> arguments, and in the temporal evolution of them) of all of Roy's
> financially bogus arguments.
Generating a coherent argument from a bogus one?
> The only mistake he made is thinking that people who think "fuck off" is
> an argument would be able to get something subtle.
I'm sure Zeke appreciates you and Hadron "polishing his Beamer".
It must absolutely be glowing now!
--
AWAKE! FEAR! FIRE! FOES! AWAKE!
FEAR! FIRE! FOES!
AWAKE! AWAKE!
Kelsey Bjarnason
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:21:14 -0500, Matt wrote:
> Tim Smith wrote:
>> 1. Microsoft is doing better than Redhat by pretty much every normal
>> financial test.
>
>
> Not by stock price or growth of investment. Charts at finance.yahoo.com
> show that RHT is outdoing MSFT in the 1d, 5d, 6m, 1y, 2y, 5y, and max
> time frames. MSFT is doing a little better in the past three months.
>
> MSFT is not doing better by revenue growth either.
>
> Just what normal financial tests do you mean?
This is Timmy, the Windows-loving weasel you're dealing with. "Normal
financial tests" must therefore be construed as "anything which can be
folded, spindled and mutilated sufficiently to show MS in a leading
position, even if it means something such as comparing a five-minute
spike in MS's performance to the overall performance of the competition
over the last three years."
Hans Lister
> [snips]
>
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:21:14 -0500, Matt wrote:
>
>> Tim Smith wrote:
>
>>> 1. Microsoft is doing better than Redhat by pretty much every normal
>>> financial test.
>>
>>
>> Not by stock price or growth of investment. Charts at finance.yahoo.com
>> show that RHT is outdoing MSFT in the 1d, 5d, 6m, 1y, 2y, 5y, and max
>> time frames. MSFT is doing a little better in the past three months.
>>
>> MSFT is not doing better by revenue growth either.
>>
>> Just what normal financial tests do you mean?
>
>
> This is Timmy, the Windows-loving weasel you're dealing with.
Uhhh, Tim runs OSX.....
Tim Smith
Hans Lister <stym...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:46:40 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
...
> Uhhh, Tim runs OSX.....
And Linux. I only run Windows when I'm playing Warhammer Online.
Keep in mind Kelsey is somewhat of an idiot.
--
--Tim Smith