I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because of the source.
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Hi Roy,
I am very interested in trying to locate one Mr. Gary Stewart, aka flatfish, for the purpose of determining if he is or has been involved in the release of a virus/worm on the internet in 2004.
I don't know if you know or have contact with the author of:
but the author mentions that flatfish uses Brazilian proxies to send his posts on the site. I have reason to believe that this person uses many names and is the person called "nymcluster" on the Yahoo! SCOXQ.PK (now) boards. I also have reason to believe that this "flatfish" has some connections to Brazil where Marcos Flávio Araújo Assunção claims to have written that virus/worm.
If the author "Erik" has any information to assist me in locating the actual "Gary Stewart" - it would be greatly appreciated. The purpose of this request is to assist in the investigation and will be handed over for follow up. I only want to determine if he is involved, and if so, arrange for an arrest warrant. The rest is up to Justice and the courts to decide. If you know "Erik" and can get him to provide any information, I would appreciate your assistance.
I don' think it was written by anyone in the Linux community, but if it was, I'd want to go after them just as much - no matter where the facts lead - that's where I want this to end (an arrest of the author and accomplices).
Have a nice day Roy. Don't worry, be happy.
freecode
Man does not plan to fail, he simply fails to plan. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Charset: UTF8 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 3.0
I can't reply to this in person because of the anonymised origin, so my reply is below.
| Hi Roy,
Hi,
If this information is confidential, then it might be helpful out in the public too.
| I am very interested in trying to locate one Mr. Gary Stewart, aka | flatfish, for the purpose of determining if he is or has been | involved in the release of a virus/worm on the internet in 2004. | | I don't know if you know or have contact with the author of: | | http://colatrolls.blogspot.com
No clue who runs it. Nobody knows. I can only try guessing.
| but the author mentions that flatfish uses Brazilian proxies to | send his posts on the site. I have reason to believe that this | person uses many names and is the person called "nymcluster" on the | Yahoo! SCOXQ.PK (now) boards. I also have reason to believe that | this "flatfish" has some connections to Brazil where Marcos Flávio | Araújo Assunção claims to have written that virus/worm.
Flatfish posts in /., Digg and other places. Abusive stuff. Stalking too.
| If the author "Erik" has any information to assist me in locating | the actual "Gary Stewart" - it would be greatly appreciated. The
Gary lives in New York, I believe. Maybe the Hamptons. I once saw the details in COLA archives... they narrowed down the options. Look at pre-2004 archives.
| purpose of this request is to assist in the investigation and will | be handed over for follow up. I only want to determine if he is | involved, and if so, arrange for an arrest warrant. The rest is up | to Justice and the courts to decide. If you know "Erik" and can get | him to provide any information, I would appreciate your assistance.
NB.
| I don' think it was written by anyone in the Linux community, but | if it was, I'd want to go after them just as much - no matter where | the facts lead - that's where I want this to end (an arrest of the | author and accomplices). | | Have a nice day Roy. Don't worry, be happy.
I believe Microsoft is involved. Not just 'the ecosystem'.
Roy Schestowitz wrote: > I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person > because of the source. > If the author "Erik" has any information to assist me in locating > the actual "Gary Stewart" - it would be greatly appreciated. The > purpose of this request is to assist in the investigation and will > be handed over for follow up. I only want to determine if he is > involved, and if so, arrange for an arrest warrant.
LMFAO!!!!
The Internet allows paranoid morons hook up anywhere around the world.
<snip>
> I believe Microsoft is involved. Not just 'the ecosystem'.
Then why don't you file some formal complaints, Spamowitz?
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:03:02 -0400, Linonut wrote: > * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>> I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because of >> the source.
> Why are you posting this personal email?
Because it allows him to lie by proxy. "It wasn't me lying, it was that other, anonymous guy that I can't verify, but post with impugnity anyways".
This is a prime example of Roy's flagrant disregard to verifying sources before "publishing".
What makes it worse is the ridiculousness of the claim. Flatfish may be a lot of things, most of which are not particularly savory, but he's hardly a secret brazillian agent seeking to infect the world with viruses.
If he were honestly trying to respond to someone in the newsgroup, he would have merely said "To the person that sent me anonymous email, the answer is I have no idea".
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:28:41 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote: > ____/ Linonut on Tuesday 22 April 2008 13:03 : \____
>> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>> I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because >>> of the source.
>> Why are you posting this personal email?
> I don't know who sent this (from a 'black hole') and it's the only way to > respond.
Bullshit. You're lying again.
If you click on the link embedded in the signature, you see that it goes to hushmail. Husmail is an anonymous source, but when you respond to a hushmail account, it gets back to the original person.
What's more, if you copy the message into the validator, we see that the signature is from "freec...@hushmail.com".
So you just revealed your "source", great job there Roy.
No, Roy. Your only reason to post this publicly is to lie by proxy. Otherwise there was no reason to include the full text of the message, not once, but twice.
> | I am very interested in trying to locate one Mr. Gary Stewart, aka > | flatfish, for the purpose of determining if he is or has been > | involved in the release of a virus/worm on the internet in 2004. > | > | I don't know if you know or have contact with the author of: > | > | http://colatrolls.blogspot.com
> No clue who runs it. Nobody knows. I can only try guessing.
> | but the author mentions that flatfish uses Brazilian proxies to > | send his posts on the site. I have reason to believe that this > | person uses many names and is the person called "nymcluster" on the > | Yahoo! SCOXQ.PK (now) boards. I also have reason to believe that > | this "flatfish" has some connections to Brazil where Marcos Flávio > | Araújo Assunção claims to have written that virus/worm.
> Flatfish posts in /., Digg and other places. Abusive stuff. Stalking > too.
Blub. Blub.
> | If the author "Erik" has any information to assist me in locating > | the actual "Gary Stewart" - it would be greatly appreciated. The
> Gary lives in New York, I believe. Maybe the Hamptons. I once saw the > details in COLA archives... they narrowed down the options. Look at > pre-2004 archives.
> | purpose of this request is to assist in the investigation and will > | be handed over for follow up. I only want to determine if he is > | involved, and if so, arrange for an arrest warrant. The rest is up > | to Justice and the courts to decide. If you know "Erik" and can get > | him to provide any information, I would appreciate your assistance.
> NB.
> | I don' think it was written by anyone in the Linux community, but > | if it was, I'd want to go after them just as much - no matter where > | the facts lead - that's where I want this to end (an arrest of the > | author and accomplices). > | > | Have a nice day Roy. Don't worry, be happy.
> I believe Microsoft is involved. Not just 'the ecosystem'.
Mad as a hatter. And the "email" so clearly a COLA origin troll.
> > Gary lives in New York, I believe. Maybe the Hamptons. I once saw the > details in COLA archives... they narrowed down the options. Look at > pre-2004 archives. >
From: Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> Message-ID: <1650393.BuxBFGb8Gy@schestowitz.com> [quote]
This was investigated & tied this very same address to the "linux-sux troll. This address is a cable user in Mass. Apparently Gary Stewart IS the linux-sux troll as well as being the flatfish troll.
He lives at one of these addresses:
93 Thayer St, Millville, MA
30 Chickatawbut St, Dorchester, MA
229 N Brookfield Rd, Barre, MA
[/quote]
Make up your mind Roy. NY or MA. Pick one.
Lucky for you Robert Cikovic was willing to assist in your investigation.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:39:33 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote: > I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because of > the source.
Funniest thing I have read in a long time Roy!!! You need medical help!
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:18:17 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch wrote: > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:03:02 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>> I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because of >>> the source.
>> Why are you posting this personal email?
> Because it allows him to lie by proxy. "It wasn't me lying, it was that > other, anonymous guy that I can't verify, but post with impugnity anyways".
> This is a prime example of Roy's flagrant disregard to verifying sources > before "publishing".
> What makes it worse is the ridiculousness of the claim. Flatfish may be a > lot of things, most of which are not particularly savory, but he's hardly a > secret brazillian agent seeking to infect the world with viruses.
> If he were honestly trying to respond to someone in the newsgroup, he would > have merely said "To the person that sent me anonymous email, the answer is > I have no idea".
I'm LMAO over this one! Obviously either Schestowitz is inventing all of this, or there is another nut loose in the can!!
-- Moshe Goldfarb Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person > because of the source.
Roy Schestowitz, you are an idiot.
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1
> Hi Roy,
> I am very interested in trying to locate one Mr. Gary Stewart, aka > flatfish, for the purpose of determining if he is or has been > involved in the release of a virus/worm on the internet in 2004.
Roy Schestowitz, you are a moron.
> I don't know if you know or have contact with the author of:
> but the author mentions that flatfish uses Brazilian proxies to > send his posts on the site. I have reason to believe that this > person uses many names and is the person called "nymcluster" on the > Yahoo! SCOXQ.PK (now) boards. I also have reason to believe that > this "flatfish" has some connections to Brazil where Marcos Flávio > Araújo Assunção claims to have written that virus/worm.
Roy Schestowitz, you need mental help.
> If the author "Erik" has any information to assist me in locating > the actual "Gary Stewart" - it would be greatly appreciated. The > purpose of this request is to assist in the investigation and will > be handed over for follow up. I only want to determine if he is > involved, and if so, arrange for an arrest warrant. The rest is up > to Justice and the courts to decide. If you know "Erik" and can get > him to provide any information, I would appreciate your assistance.
Roy Schestowitz, you are a joke.
> I don' think it was written by anyone in the Linux community, but > if it was, I'd want to go after them just as much - no matter where > the facts lead - that's where I want this to end (an arrest of the > author and accomplices).
> Man does not plan to fail, he simply fails to plan. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Charset: UTF8 > Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify > Version: Hush 3.0
> I can't reply to this in person because of the anonymised origin, so my > reply > is below.
Roy Schestowitz, you are the laughing stock of the internet.
> | Hi Roy,
> Hi,
> If this information is confidential, then it might be helpful out in the > public > too.
Roy Schestowitz, you have zero credibility.
> | I am very interested in trying to locate one Mr. Gary Stewart, aka > | flatfish, for the purpose of determining if he is or has been > | involved in the release of a virus/worm on the internet in 2004. > | > | I don't know if you know or have contact with the author of: > | > | http://colatrolls.blogspot.com
> No clue who runs it. Nobody knows. I can only try guessing.
Roy Schestowitz, you are right for once. You are very clueless.
> | but the author mentions that flatfish uses Brazilian proxies to > | send his posts on the site. I have reason to believe that this > | person uses many names and is the person called "nymcluster" on the > | Yahoo! SCOXQ.PK (now) boards. I also have reason to believe that > | this "flatfish" has some connections to Brazil where Marcos Flávio > | Araújo Assunção claims to have written that virus/worm.
> Flatfish posts in /., Digg and other places. Abusive stuff. Stalking too.
Roy Schestowitz, only a retard like you would think that posting is somehow stalking.
> | If the author "Erik" has any information to assist me in locating > | the actual "Gary Stewart" - it would be greatly appreciated. The
> Gary lives in New York, I believe. Maybe the Hamptons. I once saw the > details in COLA archives... they narrowed down the options. Look at > pre-2004 archives.
> | purpose of this request is to assist in the investigation and will > | be handed over for follow up. I only want to determine if he is > | involved, and if so, arrange for an arrest warrant. The rest is up > | to Justice and the courts to decide. If you know "Erik" and can get > | him to provide any information, I would appreciate your assistance.
> NB.
> | I don' think it was written by anyone in the Linux community, but > | if it was, I'd want to go after them just as much - no matter where > | the facts lead - that's where I want this to end (an arrest of the > | author and accomplices). > | > | Have a nice day Roy. Don't worry, be happy.
> I believe Microsoft is involved. Not just 'the ecosystem'.
Roy Schestowitz, you are a paranoid lunatic that thinks that Microsoft is behind everything. Seek help, before it's too late.
* Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:03:02 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>> I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because of >>> the source.
>> Why are you posting this personal email?
> Because it allows him to lie by proxy. "It wasn't me lying, it was that > other, anonymous guy that I can't verify, but post with impugnity anyways".
You're full of it, my man.
> This is a prime example of Roy's flagrant disregard to verifying sources > before "publishing".
I'm not sure you can know that.
> What makes it worse is the ridiculousness of the claim. Flatfish may be a > lot of things, most of which are not particularly savory, but he's hardly a > secret brazillian agent seeking to infect the world with viruses.
> If he were honestly trying to respond to someone in the newsgroup, he would > have merely said "To the person that sent me anonymous email, the answer is > I have no idea".
Well, the reason I asked Roy is two-fold:
1. I don't like seeing unnecessary personality conflicts on COLA. That includes browbeating someone, trying to "expose" them, cursing at them, etc. (I'm guilty of cursing, that's for sure!)
2. These "anonymous tips" are, by their nature, suspect.
-- We are not even close to finishing the basic dream of what the PC can be. -- Bill Gates
Linonut <lino...@bollsouth.nut> writes: > * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:03:02 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>>> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>> I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because of >>>> the source.
>>> Why are you posting this personal email?
>> Because it allows him to lie by proxy. "It wasn't me lying, it was that >> other, anonymous guy that I can't verify, but post with impugnity anyways".
> You're full of it, my man.
And you disagree how? Hypocrite.
>> This is a prime example of Roy's flagrant disregard to verifying sources >> before "publishing".
> I'm not sure you can know that.
We all can. Roy posted it.
>> What makes it worse is the ridiculousness of the claim. Flatfish may be a >> lot of things, most of which are not particularly savory, but he's hardly a >> secret brazillian agent seeking to infect the world with viruses.
>> If he were honestly trying to respond to someone in the newsgroup, he would >> have merely said "To the person that sent me anonymous email, the answer is >> I have no idea".
> Well, the reason I asked Roy is two-fold:
> 1. I don't like seeing unnecessary personality conflicts on COLA. > That includes browbeating someone, trying to "expose" them, > cursing at them, etc. (I'm guilty of cursing, that's for sure!)
Huh? You do it all the time you two faced hypocrite.
> 2. These "anonymous tips" are, by their nature, suspect.
Err, which was Erik's point. But you were too busy defending your master to bother reading what he said.
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:46:08 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch wrote: > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:28:41 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>> ____/ Linonut on Tuesday 22 April 2008 13:03 : \____
>>> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>> I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because >>>> of the source.
>>> Why are you posting this personal email?
>> I don't know who sent this (from a 'black hole') and it's the only way to >> respond.
> Bullshit. You're lying again.
> If you click on the link embedded in the signature, you see that it goes to > hushmail. Husmail is an anonymous source, but when you respond to a > hushmail account, it gets back to the original person.
> What's more, if you copy the message into the validator, we see that the > signature is from "freec...@hushmail.com".
> So you just revealed your "source", great job there Roy.
> No, Roy. Your only reason to post this publicly is to lie by proxy. > Otherwise there was no reason to include the full text of the message, not > once, but twice.
Nice find!
Yea, Schestowitz has bungled yet another attempt at trolling. For all the years I have been here, which is far more than Schestowitz, I have never been accused of stuff like that except by one loony toon who way off the deep end and finally left after he though Micorosft was threatening his family. It's just not my style, nor do I have the programming technical ability to accomplish such a task.
Hey, if that guy is so interested in me, why doesn't he email me? My email is real..
Schestowitz has become so paranoid I really think he is in need of counseling. At the very least he should take a break from his SPAMMING activities and reconsider his life and what it has become as well as where it is heading.
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:05:11 -0400, Linonut wrote: > * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:03:02 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>>> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>> I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because of >>>> the source.
>>> Why are you posting this personal email?
>> Because it allows him to lie by proxy. "It wasn't me lying, it was that >> other, anonymous guy that I can't verify, but post with impugnity anyways".
> You're full of it, my man.
>> This is a prime example of Roy's flagrant disregard to verifying sources >> before "publishing".
> I'm not sure you can know that.
>> What makes it worse is the ridiculousness of the claim. Flatfish may be a >> lot of things, most of which are not particularly savory, but he's hardly a >> secret brazillian agent seeking to infect the world with viruses.
And Funkenbusch *can* prove this statement, can he, that Flatfish has *not* spread a windoze virus? Or is this *another* of his dubious "claims", like the Morris worm & MS TTFonts "claims". Put up, or STFU FUDster.
>> If he were honestly trying to respond to someone in the newsgroup, he would >> have merely said "To the person that sent me anonymous email, the answer is >> I have no idea".
> Well, the reason I asked Roy is two-fold:
> 1. I don't like seeing unnecessary personality conflicts on COLA. > That includes browbeating someone, trying to "expose" them, > cursing at them, etc. (I'm guilty of cursing, that's for sure!)
> 2. These "anonymous tips" are, by their nature, suspect.
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:05:11 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>> * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:03:02 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>>>> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>> I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person >>>>> because of >>>>> the source.
>>>> Why are you posting this personal email?
>>> Because it allows him to lie by proxy. "It wasn't me lying, it was that >>> other, anonymous guy that I can't verify, but post with impugnity >>> anyways".
>> You're full of it, my man.
>>> This is a prime example of Roy's flagrant disregard to verifying sources >>> before "publishing".
>> I'm not sure you can know that.
>>> What makes it worse is the ridiculousness of the claim. Flatfish may be >>> a >>> lot of things, most of which are not particularly savory, but he's >>> hardly a >>> secret brazillian agent seeking to infect the world with viruses.
Well, if there's anyone dumber than Roy Schestowitz it would have to be this Willy Boaster idiot.
> And Funkenbusch *can* prove this statement, can he, that Flatfish has > *not* spread a windoze virus?
Sure. Right after you prove that I didn't kill Nina Reiser.
William Poaster <w...@leafnode.amd64.eu> writes: > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:05:11 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>> * Erik Funkenbusch peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:03:02 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>>>> * Roy Schestowitz peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>> I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because of >>>>> the source.
>>>> Why are you posting this personal email?
>>> Because it allows him to lie by proxy. "It wasn't me lying, it was that >>> other, anonymous guy that I can't verify, but post with impugnity anyways".
>> You're full of it, my man.
>>> This is a prime example of Roy's flagrant disregard to verifying sources >>> before "publishing".
>> I'm not sure you can know that.
>>> What makes it worse is the ridiculousness of the claim. Flatfish may be a >>> lot of things, most of which are not particularly savory, but he's hardly a >>> secret brazillian agent seeking to infect the world with viruses.
> And Funkenbusch *can* prove this statement, can he, that Flatfish has > *not* spread a windoze virus? Or is this *another* of his dubious > "claims", like the Morris worm & MS TTFonts "claims". > Put up, or STFU FUDster.
Says Willy Filters - the most boring and useless poaster in the history of Usenet. Yet YOU Willy constantly claim super natural header skills. And we never see any proof of that do we? So we can add "hypocrite" to your description : you're now a boring, dumb hypocrite.
So now we have to, according to Little Willy Poaster, prove what we did NOT do. The man is so dumb it gives me vertigo to peer down at him from IQ hill. Interestingly enough I note that few, if any, of the COLA "advocates" actually give Dumb Willy any support - he's too stupid even for them.
>>> If he were honestly trying to respond to someone in the newsgroup, he would >>> have merely said "To the person that sent me anonymous email, the answer is >>> I have no idea".
>> Well, the reason I asked Roy is two-fold:
>> 1. I don't like seeing unnecessary personality conflicts on COLA. >> That includes browbeating someone, trying to "expose" them, >> cursing at them, etc. (I'm guilty of cursing, that's for sure!)
>> 2. These "anonymous tips" are, by their nature, suspect.
-- (It is an old Debian tradition to leave at least twice a year ...) -- Sven Rudolph
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:50:55 +0200, Hadron wrote: > Says Willy Filters - the most boring and useless poaster in the history > of Usenet. Yet YOU Willy constantly claim super natural header > skills. And we never see any proof of that do we? So we can add > "hypocrite" to your description : you're now a boring, dumb hypocrite.
> So now we have to, according to Little Willy Poaster, prove what we did > NOT do. The man is so dumb it gives me vertigo to peer down at him from > IQ hill. Interestingly enough I note that few, if any, of the COLA > "advocates" actually give Dumb Willy any support - he's too stupid even > for them.
Poaster is a complete moron.
We call him "the empty suit".
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on 22/04/08 15:35 Moshe 'can't tell anymore who he's supposed to be'
Goldfarb wrote: > Yea, Schestowitz has bungled yet another attempt at trolling. For all the years I have been here, ..
Er, Flattie, I mean Moshe, you've only been posting here since January, that's roughly 4,870 posts, an average of 43 a day, not including posts from 'ezekiel' and your other dissociative identities ..
On Apr 22, 9:46 am, Doug Mentohl <doug_ment...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> on 22/04/08 02:39 Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> > I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because of the source.
> I guess it was flattie himself who sent you this. You're dealing with > some of the worst scum on Usenet ...
That would be my first guess, too. Right on about scum on the internet, all available right here on cola hundreds of times a day from Moshe=Ezekiel=Lintard=flatfish. Not that I'd put it past him to be a spammer as well as everything else.
In article <4794258.mLBT7Hk...@schestowitz.com>, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> wrote:
> I received this one a couple of hours ago. I can't reply in person because of > the source. ... > I can't reply to this in person because of the anonymised origin, so my reply > is below.
You could have asked (in public) for the sender to send again, including a public GPG key, and signing his message with the same key the first message was signed with. You could then have posted your response encrypted with the given public key.
That would simulate a personal reply.
Of course, that assumes you didn't make the whole thing up just to indirectly make accusations...
